Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <1991Jul22.132847.5910@bellcore.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
> >In article <9100@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >|> focused, and which plotlines I should consign to oblivion?  My early list
> >|> of edit-outs include:
> >|> 
> >|> Norma's mom the food critic
> >|> The Milford Brothers / Lana the human pheromone
> >|> Ernie Nyles
> >|> The escapee from "Problem Child"
> >|> Denise Bryson
> >|> the Pine Weasel Riot
> >|> as much of the Ben Horne Civil War plot as possible
> >|> Bobby and Audrey's non-fling
> >|> and every last reference to Jean Renault
> >|> 
> >|> Anyone else got candidates for plotlines that we can easily forget?

Yup.

ALL of the Windom Earle crap.  Ever notice how some people just didn't
seem to fit into the show?  That fat guy card dealer at Jack's in the
first season (sorry, his name escapes me) and Windom Earle come to
mind...

The entire "Catherine and the secret box" nonsense.  In general,
anything relating to Josie after her death...

I agree with everyone:  everything involving James after Maddie's death
and the whole Nadine bit...

Audrey's little love affair...

Enough for now.  I agree that the show "ended" when Leland died, but I
think things were on the decline before that.  I felt that Bob was
shown too much at the beginning of season number two--it ruined the
suspense when you knew exactly where he was.  I also thought that
people were being killed off too often and too easily.  Tons of TV
shows and movies are filled with death, so much so that it becomes
expected.  But Lynch succeeded in making Laura Palmer's death seem
shocking and horrible, quite an achievement.  This was all undone in
the second season...
 

--
James Hague
exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se
Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden.

In article <23JUL91.18412171@skycat.usask.ca> friesenda@skycat.usask.ca writes:
> >
> >Personally, I liked Gordon, or should I say I LIKED GORDON.  I found his

I really liked Gordon too, and I'm surprised more people didn't.

Gordon was wierd.  And his thing with Shelly was
even wierder.  And it fit right in to the feel of the first season.  I think
what qualifies something as "Twin-Peaks-ish" is something very strange or
wierd or out of the ordinary, yet still connecting somehow with reality,
causing us to gain a new perspective on reality.  This, in my opinion, was
what Twin Peaks was all about.  For example, Cooper is a perfect "Twin-Peaksish
representative.  He is certainly quirky, yet he sees everything in a new and
fresh way, allowing us to do the same.
The second season failed to capture this "magic," because most of the plots
were wierd just to be wierd, it seems, and as we have all seen, that is not
enough.  What was the point to the super-human and amnesiac Nadine going out
with Mike?  Or the Little Nicky/Andy/Lucy/paternity mess?  Or any one of the
previously mentioned wierd episodes that filled time in the second season?

Now, in the case of the Gordon/Shelly thing, I liked it alot because by
being so strange and improbable, it was also very romantic in a very
unconventional way.  And I thought that was cool. 

Dave

I just re-watched the finale of TP and I began to feel quite sad.  I remember
reading a few months ago here that a few of you missed the episode wanted tapes
of it.  I usually ignore these requests but upon rewatching what I will forever
believe to be the best 2 hrs of television , I feel compelled to help.  
Therefore, the first 5 people who send me requests through the mail, with 3 or 4 bucks for the tape, will receive a copy of the season finale of Twin Peaks, I 
taped it in SLP so it might turn out to make pretty decent copies.  

I don't know if there is anybody left here who still needs it but I enjoyed it
so much it seemed a crime to me that anybody who wants to see it can't.  

if any of you work for the FBI or anything please take note, this isn't mail
fraud or my livelyhood I'm just trying to help...

Gian Di Loreto
53 Rowley ST. 
Rochester, N.Y.
14607

In article <1991Jul23.222208.25533@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <1991Jul23.190824.359@exurchn1.ericsson.se> exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Jul22.132847.5910@bellcore.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>>> >>>In article <9100@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >
> >WE didn't fit in either?  I thought WE was very well worked
> >into the show.  My only complaint is that Cooper's brain suddenly
> >turned to mush about half way through when he was suddenly unable to 
> >keep up with WE.  (i.e. the genius agent didn't examine the bonsai and
> >didn't figure out the planetary signs on the map for a couple of days).
> >Nothing personal, but I think you need to re-evaluate your
> >comments.
> >
>> >>Enough for now.  I agree that the show "ended" when Leland died, but I
>> >>think things were on the decline before that.  I felt that Bob was
>> >>shown too much at the beginning of season number two--it ruined the
>> >>suspense when you knew exactly where he was.  I also thought that
>> >>people were being killed off too often and too easily.  Tons of TV
>> >>shows and movies are filled with death, so much so that it becomes
>> >>expected.  But Lynch succeeded in making Laura Palmer's death seem
>> >>shocking and horrible, quite an achievement.  This was all undone in
>> >>the second season...
> >I have to say that I was completely enveloped by the black/white
> >lodge plot-- maybe it would have been better to bring this plot into the
> >show closer to Leland's death.  
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

Sorry, I have to agree with the previous poster.  WE was a totally
annoying and obnoxious character.  I don't believe he fit in with the
show either.  Maybe it wouldn't have been so tiresome if Coop hadn't
been written so stupidly at that point....I just found WE to be a
typical poorly written villain (of the Saturday morning cartoon sort).
His virtual omnipotence (listening in thru the bonsai to all the "key"
conversations, prowling around in dumb disguises, while Coop went
"Duhhh" and let people get killed off like flies....) almost made me
want to shut off the TV a few times.  Or at least edit out his scenes
from the videotape later....

I guess, really, it was a case of bad writing.  When we saw that
vagrant tied up/killed pointing to the chess board in the Sheriff's
office--that gave me chills.  Too bad the writers decided to go to
WE's point-of-view.  It's difficult to maintain suspense when you do
that!

I agree about the excess of killings in the second season.  It really
cheapened the original idea--that a murder is a tremendous and
terrible event that effects the entire community....

Anyway, just my $.02!

Jane Valencia
jtk@sequent.com

In article <1991Jul23.160800.8273@odin.diku.dk> bims@diku.dk (Asger H|gsted) writes:
> >
> >But I guess I should have expected that knowing Lynch's somewhat bizarre
> >ideas...
> >
> >Nonetheless, I still was very disappointed to watch the last episode.
> >Coop running about in red curtains, ending up breaking a mirror with his
> >face, clearly possessed by BOB....
> >
> >Disappointing, IMHO.
> >
> >*sigh*

Asger, you're not alone.  That ending depressed me for several weeks.  Really.
Amazing that a television program could have that strong an affect on one.

That disappointment with the course of the plot and the fate of the
characters also, I believe, contributed to many folks' opinion of the
show itself.  A lot of people complained ratherly bitterly about many
aspects of the final couple of episodes; even though they may not admit
it (even to themselves), I suspect that that depressing ending weighed
so heavily on devotees of the show that their opinions of the entire
show, the entire series, even, suffered as a result.

Two things to remember, that can help:  First of all, the fact that the
show could affect you that strongly means that it was ultimately pretty well
written and powerfully presented; your original faith and pleasure in the
show really was warranted.  Secondly, and probably the greatest relief for
me, is to really understand that the ending we saw was never intended to be
the ultimate conclusion of the series; it was always intended to be a
cliff-hanger ending for the season, only, in the same way that the first
season ended with Coop being shot.  (I'd give my eye teeth for the
writers' bible for the first, second, and most especially the *third*
seasons.)
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <1991Jul23.190824.359@exurchn1.ericsson.se> exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
> >In article <1991Jul22.132847.5910@bellcore.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>> >>In article <9100@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >>|> focused, and which plotlines I should consign to oblivion?  My early list
>> >>|> of edit-outs include:
>> >>|>
>> >>|> [lots of stuff deleted] 
> >
> >Yup.
> >
> >ALL of the Windom Earle crap.  Ever notice how some people just didn't
> >seem to fit into the show?  That fat guy card dealer at Jack's in the
> >first season (sorry, his name escapes me) and Windom Earle come to
> >mind...

Uh, Jacque Renaud?  Jean's brother?  Killed by Leland?  Debaucher with
Leo and Laura?  Leo's coke connection?  Owner of Waldo?

And Windome Earle?  Scariest villain since Hannibal (the Cannibal) Lector?
Coop's former partner and mentor?  UFO investigator?  Seeker of the
Black Lodge?

Jeeze, why don't we just cut out Cooper and BOB, too?  And, hey, we could
have made time to watch *both* the Osmonds and the Brady Bunch if only
we hadn't wasted our time on this darn Twin Peaks show...

> >The entire "Catherine and the secret box" nonsense.  In general,
> >anything relating to Josie after her death...

Don't care one way or the other about this, really.  There was a lot of
speculation about it all, though, when we still thought the box, its
symbols, and/or what it contained might relate to owl cave and the lodges.

> >Audrey's little love affair...

I think a number of people agree with you here, but, perhaps because I
have a soft spot in my heart, and a hard part in my... sorry... sorry...,
for Audrey, I kinda liked all that mushy stuff.

> >  [stuff deleted]   Tons of TV
> >shows and movies are filled with death, so much so that it becomes
> >expected.  But Lynch succeeded in making Laura Palmer's death seem
> >shocking and horrible, quite an achievement.

Absolutely right.  Multiple deaths PER SHOW is the norm for much of
television, and it's somehow all relatively painless.  Lynch-Frost
showed us just how horrible it is for the victim, and how tragic it
can be for those around the victim.  Difficult watching, as it should
be.

Laura Palmer's death had a lingering effect on the entire town.  However,
I wonder if you weren't, in fact, thinking of Maddie Ferguson's (Laura's
cousin's) death?  That was one of the most chilling, stirring, disturbing
scenes ever filmed.

> >This was all undone in the second season...

Well, actually, Maddie's death came several episodes into the second
season.

It sure is common wisdom to dump on the second season, but I really don't
understand it.  Try rewatching the series.  I think the most powerful
moments were in the second season.  And the characters had matured in
their roles and their relationships to each other.  While there were
undoubtedly some clinker subplots introduced (is there *anyone* who liked
the James-and-the-beautiful-woman or Little-Nicky threads?), the Laura
Palmer-BOB arc (with the shattering death of Maddie and Leland's final
breakdown and death) finished during the 2nd season, and the entire
WE-Lodges-Major Brigg abduction-Red Room confrontation arc began and
ended there.  Ah well, I wish all the television I watched was this bad.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <9107230830.AA20472@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> >  [...]
> >Has anyone read or heard anything from Lynch, himself,
> >or is he really as quiet and secretive as I seem to believe.
> >  [...]

Well, it doesn't really help you directly interpret his films, but,
perfectly in keeping with the image I have of Lynch from those films,
and the few snippets of interviews I've seen, he went to the trouble
to prepare a special short film for the NuArt cinema in Los Angeles
(actually I think it falls within the Santa Monica city limits) thanking
the theater patrons who first made Eraserhead a (relative) box office
success.  I wish I could recall it in detail in its entirety, but
what I remember is...

David Lynch sitting on a comfy couch (kinda 50's looking like the way
he furnishes all his films), with two or three Woody the Woodpecker
stuffed dolls on either side of him.  He looks into the camera, and
thanks the theater and its patrons for their support, and while he's
talking picks up one of the dolls (I think).  He comments on how his
films may be perceived as a bit dark, but how this is actually a very
real and very normal part of our everyday lives, 'take for instance,
these little stuffed dolls, that I found and rescued from a shop
on Sunset Blvd just the other day... perfectly innocent little guys, yet
there they were hanging on the wall, with hooks in their backs...'
He thanks everyone again, and the film ends.

Now don't take the pseudo-quotes seriously; I made the words up entirely
from remembering the gist of the film, though I do remember that "hooks
in their backs" bit quite clearly.  It seems that Lynch's own personal
(dualistic and quirky) view of reality is just exactly what he has been
showing us in his films - where the dark lurks just beneath a thin, white
veneer.  Who else could have looked at stuffed animals in a store and
seen them as being tortured by having hooks in their backs?  Tis an
interesting man, and he makes interesting films!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:

> >In article <1991Jul23.160800.8273@odin.diku.dk> bims@diku.dk (Asger H|gsted) writes:
>> >>
>> >>But I guess I should have expected that knowing Lynch's somewhat bizarre
>> >>ideas...
>> >>
>> >>Nonetheless, I still was very disappointed to watch the last episode.
>> >>Coop running about in red curtains, ending up breaking a mirror with his
>> >>face, clearly possessed by BOB....
>> >>
>> >>Disappointing, IMHO.
>> >>
>> >>*sigh*

> >Asger, you're not alone.  That ending depressed me for several weeks.  Really.
> >Amazing that a television program could have that strong an affect on one.

> >That disappointment with the course of the plot and the fate of the
> >characters also, I believe, contributed to many folks' opinion of the
> >show itself.  A lot of people complained ratherly bitterly about many
> >aspects of the final couple of episodes; even though they may not admit
> >it (even to themselves), I suspect that that depressing ending weighed
> >so heavily on devotees of the show that their opinions of the entire
> >show, the entire series, even, suffered as a result.

Yes, you're quite right. It damaged my view upon the series as a whole - not
overly so, but still...


> >Two things to remember, that can help:  First of all, the fact that the
> >show could affect you that strongly means that it was ultimately pretty well
> >written and powerfully presented; your original faith and pleasure in the
> >show really was warranted.

Oh, no doubt about that, I always felt that TP was well crafted in all
details.

Only the ending and all the loose ends is dissatisfying.

Call me old-fashioned, but a show without a happy ending just doesn't do it
for me.

> >  Secondly, and probably the greatest relief for
> >me, is to really understand that the ending we saw was never intended to be
> >the ultimate conclusion of the series; it was always intended to be a
> >cliff-hanger ending for the season, only, in the same way that the first
> >season ended with Coop being shot.  (I'd give my eye teeth for the
> >writers' bible for the first, second, and most especially the *third*
> >seasons.)

Yea, I thought about the cliffhanger, and that's of course all well, and I
could take it if there were to be a new season, but seeing as how there
isn't, I think they should have ended it properly.


> >-- 
> >-larryy@apple.com

Asger
:)

> >"You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple,
> >and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'."
> >                        -  Edmund Blackadder

Love that quote!
-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Asger Hoegsted, Comp. Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark -- -- E-mail : bims@freja.diku.dk -- -- --

In article <1991Jul24.002829.20986@sequent.com> jtk@sequent.com writes:
> > [in response to this comment by Rocky Giovinazzo:
>> > >
>> > >WE didn't fit in either?  I thought WE was very well worked
>> > >into the show.  My only complaint is that Cooper's brain suddenly
>> > >turned to mush about half way through when he was suddenly unable to 
>> > >keep up with WE.  (i.e. the genius agent didn't examine the bonsai and
>> > >didn't figure out the planetary signs on the map for a couple of
> >  days).]
> >
> >   Sorry, I have to agree with the previous poster.  WE was a totally
> >   annoying and obnoxious character.  I don't believe he fit in with the
> >   show either.
> >    [some deletions of examples of problems in the character]
> >   I guess, really, it was a case of bad writing.  When we saw that
> >   vagrant tied up/killed pointing to the chess board in the Sheriff's
> >   office--that gave me chills.  Too bad the writers decided to go to
> >   WE's point-of-view.  It's difficult to maintain suspense when you do
> >   that!

I think you may be right about the point of view problem.  I thought
the concept of Windom Earle was pretty good--a former mentor of
Cooper's, a brilliant mind totally possessed by evil and a desire for
a perverse revenge, inextricably tied up with a great tragedy of
Cooper's personal life, never seen by Cooper directly but in periodic
communication through such bizarre scenes as the vagrant at the
chessboard.  Rather like BOB in his ability to cause pain and
suffering gratuitously, and in the difficulty of predicting what he
would do next.  Trouble was, since we saw Windom Earle plotting, we
the audience knew what he was going to do next, so we lost that sense
of vague dread.  It may also have been that, unlike Leo, who would
clearly strike out at any minute, Windom Earle was plotting so
carefully that we could see coming anything horrible that he was
going to do.

Had we not seen Windom Earle as an embodied character, week after
week, and followed his plotting, would it have been so necessary for
Cooper to appear so bumbling?  The business about the bonsai, for
instance, seemed much too simple a technique for a genius like Windom
Earle to use against an agent like Cooper, whom he knew to be very
bright (or he wouldn't have wanted to fight him so much).  I can
believe that Harry's wish for the gift to really be from Josie could
overtake his suspicion about it, but I would have expected Cooper to
at least check it out.  Had Windom Earle used a more clever means of
becoming omniscient, or simply relied on the psychological connection
between himself and Cooper to be able to anticipate what Cooper would
be thinking, it could have become more sinister and interesting.  But
much harder to write.  And of course, we would have lost Gordon's YELL
into the bonsai. :-)

A connection was drawn in Cooper's mind between his fuzzy-headedness
and his being in love.  But, viewed another way, the nearness of
Windom Earle could have had a rather dulling effect on him.  While
there was no question in Cooper's mind that Windom Earle was capable
of terrible evil, he had also been Cooper's mentor, and probably
something of a father figure to him  (which could cast his
relationship with Caroline with overtones of a throwback to his lost
mother, but that's a different thread).  Put in psychological terms,
if Cooper's father-complex were activated by the perceived presence of
Windom Earle, he could easily find himself unconsciously interfering
with his own efforts to outwit his former mentor.  This is sounding
more Freudian than I had intended; retreating to myth for a moment, a
classic father-son conflict is Jupiter and Saturn.  And where have we
heard about THEM before?

I'm starting to ramble way off the track here.  While I'm tempted to
go into a lot more detail on a number of the ideas that I have brought
up but not supported in the above paragraph, I'll spare the net at
this point and let anyone respond to them if they're interested.

Barb Miller

In article <55290@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
>> >>ALL of the Windom Earle crap.  Ever notice how some people just didn't
>> >>seem to fit into the show?  That fat guy card dealer at Jack's in the
>> >>first season (sorry, his name escapes me) and Windom Earle come to
>> >>mind...
> >
> >Uh, Jacque Renaud?  Jean's brother?  Killed by Leland?  Debaucher with
> >Leo and Laura?  Leo's coke connection?  Owner of Waldo?
> >
> >And Windome Earle?  Scariest villain since Hannibal (the Cannibal) Lector?
> >Coop's former partner and mentor?  UFO investigator?  Seeker of the
> >Black Lodge?
> >
> >Jeeze, why don't we just cut out Cooper and BOB, too?  And, hey, we could
> >have made time to watch *both* the Osmonds and the Brady Bunch if only
> >we hadn't wasted our time on this darn Twin Peaks show...

Let me clarify what I meant.  IMO, the CHARACTER of Windom Earle just
didn't fit into TP.  But what I also meant was that the ACTORS who
played Earle and Renard just didn't seem to mesh with everyone else.
They seemed too fake, too comical, more like a couple of guys who got
arrested on Barney Miller...
 
--
James Hague
exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se
Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden.

In article <1991Jul24.002829.20986@sequent.com> jtk@sequent.com writes:
th.  
> >
> >I guess, really, it was a case of bad writing.  When we saw that
> >vagrant tied up/killed pointing to the chess board in the Sheriff's
> >office--that gave me chills.  Too bad the writers decided to go to
> >WE's point-of-view.  It's difficult to maintain suspense when you do
> >that!

Exactly!  Switching to Bob's point of view was a mistake, as was
switching to Earl's.  No matter what is behind a closed door, it is
much scarier closed than after it is opened...
 
--
James Hague
exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se
Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden.

am163uap@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Thomas Proven) writes:


> >Lara Flynn Boyle also appears in the new Brat Pack (Christian
> >Slater, Richard Grieco) movie "Mobsters."  IMO, it's an
> >"Untouchables" rip-off, as well as a waste of such beauty to be
> >playing opposite such a rerun as Slater.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          

One small vote for Christian Slater.  I really liked him in "Pump up
the Volume."


-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

In article <1991Jul20.135853.1952@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
walsh@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh) writes:
>> >> From New York Newsday, Fri. 7/19/91:
>> >> 
>> >>      Lady's chunk of w LARA FLYNN BOYLE, who played Donna, will
>> >>      star opposite DENNIS HOPPER in "Innocent Blood," which Warner's
>> >>      describes as a vampire-gangster flick.  What, blood-sucking
>> >>      mobsters?  EVERETT McGILL and WENDY ROBIE (Ed and his whacked-out

In article <21870@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> am163uap@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Thomas
Proven) writes:
> >
> >Lara Flynn Boyle also appears in the new Brat Pack (Christian
> >Slater, Richard Grieco) movie "Mobsters."  IMO, it's an
> >"Untouchables" rip-off, as well as a waste of such beauty to be
> >playing opposite such a rerun as Slater.

And, she will also appear in an upcoming episode of "The Hidden Room,"
the new "suspense anthology" series on the Lifetime channel, Tuesdays
at 9:30/8:30, in which the stories supposedly show "women dealing with
their deepest fears."  (I saw the premiere episode of this last night,
and wasn't too impressed.  The intro was the most interesting part.
But it's hard to judge an anthology by one episode.)

-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

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16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
#17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between: [various things]
19. [deleted]
20. [deleted]
21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]
23. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]
24. [deleted]
25. [deleted]
26. [deleted]
27. [deleted]
28. [deleted]


AND NOW, ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS:

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.
   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA (and the
surrounding area), which is in the Cascades, not too far from
Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the Great Northern Hotel is
really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't look like the GNH
on the inside--the interiors of both the GNH and the
Packard/Martell home were filmed in the Kiana Lodge); and the
RR Diner is really the Mar-T Cafe, which really does have
heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
station breaks and on the TWIN PEAKS sound track album cover
indicates 51,201.  According to _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes:
An Unofficial Guide to Twin Peaks_, by Mark Altman,
Lynch/Frost originally conceived of it as 5,201, but the
network insisted on increasing it.  This has resulted in mixed
cues within the show. For instance, Twin Peaks doesn't have a
resident circuit court judge, which any town of 51K+ in the
U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no police
department (sheriff is usually a county rather than a city
office).  On the other hand, it does have its own hospital, a
fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It seems
Lynch/Frost hasn't worried too much about being consistent on
this point.

2. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer_ (see Question 14) places the action in
1990.  Sources on the production team (i.e., Scott Frost)
indicate that it's been sort of miraculously moved up to 1990.
Apparently, the producers and directors have trouble keeping
track of what day it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks, never
mind what year.

3. a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
-- Yes, in general, that is the convention used.  There are
occasional exceptions; at one point, three days passed in Twin
Peaks between TWIN PEAKS episodes.  Sometimes an episode will
start in the middle of the night preceding that episode's
"day".  As mentioned in Answer 2, Lynch/Frost doesn't keep
track of what day it is as well as the fans do.  For instance,
teenagers in Twin Peaks don't seem to go to school much, but
they have been seen in school on days that were supposed to be
Saturdays.  

 b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
One "day" it's full, the next half, etcetera.  
-- The moon appears to be used pretty much symbolically.  There are
only a few stock moon inserts used in the series, e.g., a
closeup of the diagonal half-moon floating in a black sky.  No
particular effort at astronomical accuracy is evident.

4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.  

5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the USA? Were
there in fact several regional variants broadcast? Did we
learn who shot Cooper? Did Dick Tremaine die?  
-- No, the 1/26 episode was a collective and spontaneous hoax started
by R o d Johnson and carried on straightfaced by numerous
alt.tv.twin-peaks posters.

#6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Is this the end of
#TWIN PEAKS?

#-- TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled.  There will not be any more
#television episodes.  Lynch/Frost Productions has expressed
#some interest in producing a cinema-release TWIN PEAKS movie,
#which would be a "prequel," depicting events up to Laura
#Palmer's death, including the Theresa Banks murder.  However,
#this project is currently on hold, in part due to Kyle
#MacLachlan's reluctance to continue as Agent Cooper (his
#five-year contract covers only the television series).

7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
-- Closed Captions (CC) are the text of a show's dialog transmitted on
a side channel along with the standard picture and sound
signals. Hearing-impaired viewers can install a special CC
decoder on their TV sets to display this text on the screen. 
   This means that all the dialog in the show is also being broadcast
in written form, so that in principle the question "What did he
say?" can always be answered authoritatively -- IF, that is, you
believe that the CC's are reliable!
   There are two ways CC's are created: by people who sit and listen
to a show and type in what they hear -- live events are
generally done this way -- or by people with access to the
script. Some, if not all, network shows are done the second,
more careful way. We don't know for certain that TWIN PEAKS is
such a show, but the lack of phonetic mistakes observed in the
PEAKS captions so far suggests indicate that the captioners
use scripts.  In particular it seems unlikely that correct
French like <<J'ai une a^me solitaire>> would come from
anywhere but a script.

8. [deleted]

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9. [deleted]

10. [deleted]

11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.
    b)  Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
--Yes, Ferrer was part of Barnes and Barnes who recorded "Fishheads"
(Bill Mumy was the other half).  Ferrer and Mumy also make up
a band called Seduction of the Innocent which plays very
occasionally at comics conventions.  They have also written
some comic books together.

12. [deleted]

13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?
-- Yes, three of them: Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfield), Ray Wise (Leland
Palmer), and Dan O'Herlihy ([deleted]).  No, Clarence
Williams III was NOT in ROBOCOP!

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch (David's
daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket Books, and in the
U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially sanctioned by
Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is "A Twin Peaks
Book").  [text deleted]

15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
--It's a modified version of the series pilot, which was shown as a
TV movie in Europe.  It ends differently, [text deleted]

#17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

#--The TP anonymous FTP site is audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88],
#directory /pub/twin-peaks. You can submit things to it by
#uploading to directory /Upload. The keeper is Peter
#Asenstorfer at the University of South Australia
#(peter@audrey.sait.edu.au). Anything submitted to the
#Cribsheet to TP Resources (maintained by Keith Dawson,
#dawson@Atex.Kodak.COM) also makes its way to the FTP archive.

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * BOB and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat in Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
   * [text deleted]
#   * Sherriff Harry S. Truman, and the US President, and the old man
#of the same name who refused to be moved off Mount St. Helens
#(in Washington State) when it erupted?
-- Yes for all of the above.

19. [deleted]

20. [deleted]

21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?
-- Yes, Streiber says that people who have been abducted by UFO's
often have "masking" memories of owls, rather than aliens
[text deleted]

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]

23. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]

24. [deleted]

25. [deleted]

26. [deleted]

27. [deleted]

28. [deleted]

-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

[Some of these questions have been cropping up again, so it's time for
a repost.  Also, since I'm about to move across the country, I may not
have time to post it again for quite a while.  One improvement I'm
interested in making is including a complete list of TP merchandise
(books, tapes, cards, etc.).  If someone wants to put a list together
and email it to me in the next week (by 7/31), I'll include it in the
next edition, whenever that may be.]

TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
Last revision: 7/24/91

(Many of these concern what various people said.  Many thanks to Bart
J. Geraci, the man with the closed caption decoder.  Thanks also to
Tom Neff for numerous suggestions and text of some entries.)

WARNING: This article may contain references to any episode in the
entire series, as it has been shown in the U.S.

New or changed lines begin with #.

Questions answered in this article:
==================================

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1.  a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
2. What year is the show set in?  
3.  a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
    b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the US?   
#6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Is this the end of
#TWIN PEAKS?
7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
8. How were the funny voices in Cooper's dream done?  

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9.  Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
10. Didn't the boy with the creamed corn look an awful lot like David Lynch?
11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
    b) Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
12. Was the guy who plays BOB someody Lynch "found" working on the set?
13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between: [various things]
19. Can a person's hair really turn white "over night" like Leland's did
between the first and second seasons?
20. Haven't I heard of the White Lodge somewhere before?
21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
    b) What did he say?
23. a) What was that ditty Leland was singing just after his hair turned
white, and what does it mean?
    b) What was Leland singing when Cooper and Truman stopped him for
driving his car erratically?
24. Who was standing outside the window while Josie was seducing Harry?
25. What were the three predictions that The Giant made to Cooper?
26. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later at the
sheriff's station?
27. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by Leland/BOB.
Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the hospital when Jacques
was killed?  Does this mean that Leland was BOB when he killed
Jacques?
28. Who killed Laura Palmer?  


AND NOW, ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS:

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.
   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA (and the
surrounding area), which is in the Cascades, not too far from
Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the Great Northern Hotel is
really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't look like the GNH
on the inside--the interiors of both the GNH and the
Packard/Martell home were filmed in the Kiana Lodge); and the
RR Diner is really the Mar-T Cafe, which really does have
heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
station breaks and on the TWIN PEAKS sound track album cover
indicates 51,201.  According to _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes:
An Unofficial Guide to Twin Peaks_, by Mark Altman,
Lynch/Frost originally conceived of it as 5,201, but the
network insisted on increasing it.  This has resulted in mixed
cues within the show. For instance, Twin Peaks doesn't have a
resident circuit court judge, which any town of 51K+ in the
U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no police
department (sheriff is usually a county rather than a city
office).  On the other hand, it does have its own hospital, a
fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It seems
Lynch/Frost hasn't worried too much about being consistent on
this point.

2. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer_ (see Question 14) places the action in
1990.  Sources on the production team (i.e., Scott Frost)
indicate that it's been sort of miraculously moved up to 1990.
Apparently, the producers and directors have trouble keeping
track of what day it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks, never
mind what year.

3. a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
-- Yes, in general, that is the convention used.  There are
occasional exceptions; at one point, three days passed in Twin
Peaks between TWIN PEAKS episodes.  Sometimes an episode will
start in the middle of the night preceding that episode's
"day".  As mentioned in Answer 2, Lynch/Frost doesn't keep
track of what day it is as well as the fans do.  For instance,
teenagers in Twin Peaks don't seem to go to school much, but
they have been seen in school on days that were supposed to be
Saturdays.  

 b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
One "day" it's full, the next half, etcetera.  
-- The moon appears to be used pretty much symbolically.  There are
only a few stock moon inserts used in the series, e.g., a
closeup of the diagonal half-moon floating in a black sky.  No
particular effort at astronomical accuracy is evident.

4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.

5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the USA? Were
there in fact several regional variants broadcast? Did we
learn who shot Cooper? Did Dick Tremaine die?  
-- No, the 1/26 episode was a collective and spontaneous hoax started
by R o d Johnson and carried on straightfaced by numerous
alt.tv.twin-peaks posters.

#6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Is this the end of
#TWIN PEAKS?

#-- TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled.  There will not be any more
#television episodes.  Lynch/Frost Productions has expressed
#some interest in producing a cinema-release TWIN PEAKS movie,
#which would be a "prequel," depicting events up to Laura
#Palmer's death, including the Theresa Banks murder.  However,
#this project is currently on hold, in part due to Kyle
#MacLachlan's reluctance to continue as Agent Cooper (his
#five-year contract covers only the television series).

7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
-- Closed Captions (CC) are the text of a show's dialog transmitted on
a side channel along with the standard picture and sound
signals. Hearing-impaired viewers can install a special CC
decoder on their TV sets to display this text on the screen. 
   This means that all the dialog in the show is also being broadcast
in written form, so that in principle the question "What did he
say?" can always be answered authoritatively -- IF, that is, you
believe that the CC's are reliable!
   There are two ways CC's are created: by people who sit and listen
to a show and type in what they hear -- live events are
generally done this way -- or by people with access to the
script. Some, if not all, network shows are done the second,
more careful way. We don't know for certain that TWIN PEAKS is
such a show, but the lack of phonetic mistakes observed in the
PEAKS captions so far suggests indicate that the captioners
use scripts.  In particular it seems unlikely that correct
French like <<J'ai une a^me solitaire>> would come from
anywhere but a script.

8. How were the funny voices in Cooper's dream done?  
-- Before shooting the scene, the actors were recorded reading their lines.
The recording was then played to them backwards, and they memorized
how to imitate it.  Each shot in the scene was acted in reverse
order, with the actors saying their "backwards" lines.  The film was
then reversed so that the actions came out in the right order, and
the words came out double-reversed.  Unfortunately, the words
weren't very intelligible, so subtitles were added.

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm, Deanna Troi's
mother's personal assistant.  No, he did not play Lurch on the
Addams Family (although it has been reported that he will play
Lurch in an upcoming AF movie).

10. Didn't the boy with the creamed corn look an awful lot like David Lynch?
-- Yes, that's because he's Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.  (For
handy reference, look at Gordon Cole (Cooper's boss): he's played by
David Lynch.)

11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.
    b)  Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
--Yes, Ferrer was part of Barnes and Barnes who recorded "Fishheads"
(Bill Mumy was the other half).  Ferrer and Mumy also make up
a band called Seduction of the Innocent which plays very
occasionally at comics conventions.  They have also written
some comic books together.

12. Was the guy who plays BOB someody Lynch "found" working on the set?
-- Yes. Frank Silva was an "on-set dresser" -- that's someone who helps
cast members with their costumes on the set, as opposed to back
at the dressing room -- when Lynch saw him and tapped him to play
Laura's demonic killer.  He is credited as a dresser in the pilot.

13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?
-- Yes, three of them: Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfield), Ray Wise (Leland
Palmer), and Dan O'Herlihy (Andrew Packard).  No, Clarence
Williams III was NOT in ROBOCOP!

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch (David's
daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket Books, and in the
U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially sanctioned by
Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is "A Twin Peaks
Book").  It's supposed to be the text of the diary that was
discovered in the *second* season of the show.

15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
--It's a modified version of the series pilot, which was shown as a
TV movie in Europe.  It ends differently, with the killer
being caught.  The sequence which made up Cooper's dream in 
the series is tacked onto the end, as an epilog labelled "25
years later".  In the series, when Cooper describes his dream
to Truman and Lucy, he describes all the action that appeared
in the Euro-version that diverged from the series action as
being part of his dream.

17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

--The TP anonymous FTP site is audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88],
directory /pub/twin-peaks. You can submit things to it by
uploading to directory /Upload. The keeper is Peter
Asenstorfer at the University of South Australia
(peter@audrey.sait.edu.au). Anything submitted to the
Cribsheet to TP Resources (maintained by Keith Dawson,
dawson@Atex.Kodak.COM) also makes its way to the FTP archive.

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * BOB and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat in Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
   * Sarah's vision of a white horse, and Mr. Ed?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Laura' pony, Troy?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Death, which "rides a pale horse"?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  heroin, also known as "white horse" 
  (maybe Leland/BOB shot her up with 
  heroin)?
   * Sherriff Harry S. Truman, and the US President, and the old man
of the same name who refused to be moved off Mount St. Helens
(in Washington State) when it erupted?
-- Yes for all of the above.

19. Can a person's hair really turn white "over night" like Leland's did
between the first and second seasons?
--Generally, only folklore supports this ("it happened to a friend of a
friend of mine").  Since hair above the scalp is dead matter, it
can't change color without dyes or bleaches.  It's possible that a
person with mixed gray and dark hair could lose all their older,
darker hair over a short period of time (a few days or weeks) due to
a physical or psychological trauma, which would leave them with just
gray hair.  Or a dark-haired person might lose all their dark hairs
and grow in gray ones over a similar span of time, but "over night"
seems physically implausible.

20. Haven't I heard of the White Lodge somewhere before?
-- Could be. Jerry Boyajian found an amazingly detailed reference to it
in an out-of-print 1926 adventure fantasy called THE DEVIL'S GUARD 
(a.k.a. RAMSDEN) by Talbot Mundy. In the novel, the White Lodge is a 
secret Tibetan brotherhood whose members study Life for the love of 
it, combat evil, and mysteriously influence events. The Dalai Lama is 
an external representative of the White Lodge. This obviously fits 
TWIN PEAKS like a glove, and Lynch/Frost may have read it. There are 
other references occasionally dug up; if you have a good one, by all 
means share it! 

21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?
-- Yes, Streiber says that people who have been abducted by UFO's
often have "masking" memories of owls, rather than aliens
(cf., Major Brigg's only memory of his disappearance was an
huge image of an owl).

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
-- French
    b) What did he say?
-- J'ai une a^me solitaire: I have a solitary soul (according to the closed
captions).  This was also the text of Harold Smith's suicide note.

23. a) What was that ditty Leland was singing just after his hair turned
white, and what does it mean?
-- The full lyrics of the song are:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and little lambzy divy.
A kiddly divy, too, wooden shoe?

Now if the words sounds queer,
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivy,
Sing:

Mares eat oats and does eats oats
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?

    b) What was Leland singing when Cooper and Truman stopped him for
driving his car erratically?
-- "The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from the musical _Oklahoma_.
It was the tune that Leland danced to at the Great Northern
earlier in the same episode, and which Cooper was whistling
just before he and Truman stopped Leland.

24. Who was standing outside the window while Josie was seducing Harry?
-- A number of theories have been suggested, with Jonathon (Josie's
"cousin") being the most popular; others theories include Leo,
Pete, and Andrew Packard.  However, Tim Holland, the director
of the episode in question, is quoted in _Twin Peaks Behind
the Scenes_ as saying it was Jonathon (well, he says "the
Oriental man", but he means Jonathon).

25. What were the three predictions that The Giant made to Cooper?  
-- (1) a man in a smiling bag; (2) the owls are not what they seem;
(3) without chemicals, he points.
   The giant also said something about "Leo locked in a hungry horse," and
that there was a clue at Leo's house.  However, these were not the
"predictions" which were to be fulfilled before Cooper gets his ring
back.  The former refers to the fact that Leo was in jail in Hungry
Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was killed, and the latter refers
to the Circle Brand boots that were found with the cocaine at Leo's
house.

26. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later at the
sheriff's station?
-- "Through the darkness of future past
    the magician longs to see
    one chants out between two worlds
    'Fire walk with me.'"

   (There has been much debate over whether the second-to-last line is "one
chants out" or "one chance out".  The closed captions indicate
"chants".)

27. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by Leland/BOB.
Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the hospital when Jacques
was killed?  Does this mean that Leland was possessed by BOB
when he killed Jacques?
-- No.  Later, under hypnosis, Jacoby corrected himself and said that he
smelled the burned smell just before he was attacked at the gazebo,
but not at the hospital.  _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes_
indicates that Jacoby's attacker was Leland/BOB, although this
was not revealed in any episode.

28. Who killed Laura Palmer?  
For those in places where it's been revealed, who weren't
paying attention or didn't get it, and those elsewhere who
want to annoy their friends: (Skip now if you don't want to
know.)

--Laura's father, Leland, killed her.  He was possessed at the time by
an evil spirit named BOB (whose "true" face Sarah Palmer and
Maddy Ferguson saw in visions, and Agent Cooper saw in his
dream.)  Leland had been a host to BOB since childhood, and
had been abusing and molesting Laura from her early teen
years, if not earlier.  Leland/BOB had a habit of cutting
Laura with many small cuts during their "sessions" together;
Laura died of blood loss from these wounds.

-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

Cousin Itt (note sp) was played by Felix Silla, I believe.

In article <RY25YBF@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy) writes:
>> >>Anyone else got candidates for plotlines that we can easily forget?
> >
> >Nadine's Wonder Woman clown role

Well, I'd be glad to discard SOME of the Nadine plot... but we'd have to
keep in that one scene where Mike tells Bobby about why he's going out with
her.  Bobby's "WHOOOAAA!" was one of the great bits of comic timing of the
past year, IMHO...

Ramble on, Barb, there's some brilliant stuff in there.

> >I think you may be right about the point of view problem.  I thought
> >the concept of Windom Earle was pretty good--a former mentor of
> >Cooper's, a brilliant mind totally possessed by evil and a desire for
> >a perverse revenge, inextricably tied up with a great tragedy of
> >Cooper's personal life, never seen by Cooper directly but in periodic
> >communication through such bizarre scenes as the vagrant at the
> >chessboard.  Rather like BOB in his ability to cause pain and
> >suffering gratuitously, and in the difficulty of predicting what he
> >would do next.  Trouble was, since we saw Windom Earle plotting, we
> >the audience knew what he was going to do next, so we lost that sense
> >of vague dread.
> >
> >Had we not seen Windom Earle as an embodied character, week after
> >week, and followed his plotting, would it have been so necessary for
> >Cooper to appear so bumbling?

I agree, it would have been much more interesting if (a) Windom had spent
much less time on screen, and (b) Cooper had thought faster.  What would
have worked better would have been focusing only on the master-of-disguise
element to bring Windom into the plot, while not revealing his plans.  For
example, his role as Will St. Gerard was effective (it fooled me...) and
added to the sense of confusion, because we didn't know WHAT he was planning
by giving Donna the chess piece.

Of course, then we run into the ultimate problem with the whole Windom Earle
plotline -- the WRITERS didn't know what they were planning either.  The
entire chess game metaphor petered out and had nothing to do with the
finale.  It seemed at first that Windom was assigning pieces to all the
people in Twin Peaks (hence his gift of the knight to Donna), but then they
never did anything with that.  Consider the possibilities -- Leo was
obviously a White Knight (!), and the knight is the piece which has the
biggest advantage against a Queen.  If Shelly had been picked as the Black
Queen, Windom could have played the game so that Leo could "capture" his
wife... as he tried to do earlier, with the axe.  Reducing the soap-opera
dynamics of a town to a chessboard was a great idea, which they completely
forgot about.

In short: if Windom had stayed as the Grandmaster, who knows where the plot
could have gone?

Another thought: black and white squares on the chessboard --> the
black/white floor of the red room?...

Just wondering if any of you Peakheads have caught some of Sherilyn
Fenn's film work.  Recently saw TWO MOON JUNCTION, and found it to
be one hell of a Fenn showcase--if not a terrificly plotted film.
If you ever wondered what Audrey looked like under those long skirts,
this is the film for you.  Am on the lookout for another Fenn piece
called MERIDIAN: KISS OF THE BEAST (1990).  If anyone has seen it,
a review is in order.

As long as we are on the subject of movies, anyone who wants to
see Donna Hayward running around in a tall building screaming,
"Carol Anne!" should check out POLTERGEIST III.  I give it four
stars.  Not.

Oh, almost forgot--not to dwell on the subject (Mr. Subliminal:
"Pervert") but the independent film O-8 TALES has what I believe
to be the only nude footage of Sheryl Lee ever--the scene in the
Bronco is something to behold.

Keep the rest of us posted on any more Peak nudity--but not, say,
the Log Lady or Catherine Martell.

"Whatever I do, wherever I go, its the same old story."
          -ANDREW JOHN PFLAUM III
"OWW!  OWW!  MY BACK!"
          -DAVID LETTERMAN

Tom Root
Mark Libkuman
Mount Pleasant MI

In article <1991Jul24.164835.19262@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <1991Jul24.150631.16690@exurchn1.ericsson.se> exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
> >
>> >>Let me clarify what I meant.  IMO, the CHARACTER of Windom Earle just
>> >>didn't fit into TP.  But what I also meant was that the ACTORS who
>> >>played Earle and Renard just didn't seem to mesh with everyone else.
>> >>They seemed too fake, too comical, more like a couple of guys who got
>> >>arrested on Barney Miller...
> >
> >Both actors were excellent-- remember the scene where the Major and Leo
> >and drugged and WE is madly ranting while typing on his computer?  How
> >about the dialogue when he's drilling the Major?  Also remember the
> >casino scene, "Bite the bullet baby."  

In general, I really hated all of the WE nonsense.  I would have much
rather watched Coop trying figure out his next move than listen to WE
rant and rave.  Of course, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

My problem with Renard is that he is a character actor who shows up in
all sorts of silly sitcommy roles.  I distincly remember him dressed as
a hamburger on _Riptide_ playing some guy obsessed with Robin Hood.
Yeah, I know many of the other actors had lousy roles before TP, but
the actor that played Renard would fit in better as an extra on Three's
Company.  HEY, how about Jeffrey Tambor (sp?) as Renard?

I'll agree though, that the "bite the bullet..." line was a good 'un.
 
--
James Hague
exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se
Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden.

a

In article <9132@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >
> >Another thought: black and white squares on the chessboard --> the
> >black/white floor of the red room?...

 I thought of this too,  so I went back and looked at the tape
I had of one of Cooper's dreams in the red room.  In these earlier
scenes,  the floor had some nondescript carpet.  I took this to 
mean that all this time the real chess game was being controlled
by BOB...stage managing every body around so that Cooper would
be in the right place at the right time.

 Or maybe not. :-)

Bud


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swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:


> >And, she will also appear in an upcoming episode of "The Hidden Room,"
> >the new "suspense anthology" series on the Lifetime channel, Tuesdays
> >at 9:30/8:30, in which the stories supposedly show "women dealing with
> >their deepest fears."  (I saw the premiere episode of this last night,
> >and wasn't too impressed.  The intro was the most interesting part.
> >But it's hard to judge an anthology by one episode.)

A review in the LA times specifically mentioned that the next episode
(with LFB) was definitely better than than the first.  Now we'll have
a chance to see if she can act.


-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Lara Flynn Boyle will also be appearing in a dark comedy with Judd Nelson
and James Caan in which she plays the girlfriend of a man with three
arms -- the third arm protuding from him back.

I can't remember the title of the movie right off-hand, but I do remember
hearing Judd Nelson say she would be in it in an interview.

Seems like she's getting a lot of movie experience all of a sudden.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

   I would have liked to see WE disguise himself as Cooper, complete with
messages to Dianne.  I also would have liked Nadine to punch out the real
Cooper by mistake while WE was escaping with Annie.

In article <288DF3E6.2765@ics.uci.edu>, bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> > Lara Flynn Boyle will also be appearing in a dark comedy with Judd Nelson
> > and James Caan in which she plays the girlfriend of a man with three
> > arms -- the third arm protuding from him back.
> > 
> > I can't remember the title of the movie right off-hand...
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's probably as good or better than the title the producers picked anyway.
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I remember reading in Doctor Who Magazine about a story on a BBS in Washington,
I believe, about the Doctor and Ace of "Doctor Who" landing in Twin Peaks, WA
because it was one of the three best places in the galaxy for cherry pie.  I
don't know what happened after that, because I don't have that BBS.  If someone
has the story, can you please post it?  I would love to read it!

      Phil

I have to agree with the general consensus: Windom Earl was about as
entertaining as a bucket of tripe.  Blame the character, the actor,
or the part, it was pretty lame.  

The cheesiest part of the whole affair was that stupid chess game.  I was
really disappointed that Lynch would drag out such an unoriginal cliche.
When I think of all those lengthy posts analyzing each move, I want to 
spew.  However, I had to grin when Pete turned out to be the local
master.

Seeing the previews for "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey", where they engage
Death in contests of Battleship, Twister, etc. makes me wish Lynch had 
though of it first.  Coop playing Twister with his D-ganger would have
been a gas!

jimbo

In article <9100@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

<Which brings to mind...  I was thinking about editing down (for use to be
<determined later, as the copyright gods permit) my off-air copies of some
<of the second-season episodes.  Is anyone interested in pondering the
<question of what stories Twin Peaks would have focused on if it had stayed
<focused, and which plotlines I should consign to oblivion?  My early list
<of edit-outs include:
<
<Norma's mom the food critic

Leave it in.  I liked the acting.

<The Milford Brothers 

Leave them in.

<Lana the human pheromone
<Ernie Nyles
<The escapee from "Problem Child"
<as much of the Ben Horne Civil War plot as possible
<Bobby and Audrey's non-fling
<and every last reference to Jean Renault

Edit out.

<Denise Bryson

I liked him/her

<the Pine Weasel Riot

????

<Anyone else got candidates for plotlines that we can easily forget?

James getting involved with the murderous couple, I forget the
names.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

In article <9108@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
<Agreed!  Leo's plotline was a pretty big misfire all the way through.
<Leaving him as a vegetable would probably have been more interesting...
<but let's face it.  They HAD to bring him back from the brain-dead
<somehow.

I was expecting him to become good afterwards.  My roommate
wanted him to become a Christian fundamentalist. 

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

In article <1991Jul24.202914.24149@exurchn1.ericsson.se> exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
> >In article <1991Jul24.164835.19262@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

>> >>Both actors were excellent-- remember the scene where the Major and Leo
>> >>and drugged and WE is madly ranting while typing on his computer?  How
>> >>about the dialogue when he's drilling the Major?  Also remember the
>> >>casino scene, "Bite the bullet baby."  

> >My problem with Renard is that he is a character actor who shows up in
> >all sorts of silly sitcommy roles.  I distincly remember him dressed as
> >a hamburger on _Riptide_ playing some guy obsessed with Robin Hood.
> >Yeah, I know many of the other actors had lousy roles before TP, but
> >the actor that played Renard would fit in better as an extra on Three's
> >Company.  HEY, how about Jeffrey Tambor (sp?) as Renard?

Geez, the only other roles I had seen Jacque in were 1 episode of 
Cheers and 1 episode of the Flash.  Maybe if you try to forget his 
previous work, you'll see that he was cast very well.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jul24.150631.16690@exurchn1.ericsson.se> exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:

> >Let me clarify what I meant.  IMO, the CHARACTER of Windom Earle just
> >didn't fit into TP.  But what I also meant was that the ACTORS who
> >played Earle and Renard just didn't seem to mesh with everyone else.
> >They seemed too fake, too comical, more like a couple of guys who got
> >arrested on Barney Miller...

Both actors were excellent-- remember the scene where the Major and Leo
and drugged and WE is madly ranting while typing on his computer?  How
about the dialogue when he's drilling the Major?  Also remember the
casino scene, "Bite the bullet baby."  

If anyone didn't fit in, I thought it was robot Annie.  I think she
previously worked on Lost in Space, right?  

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jul24.215521.21462@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   I would have liked to see WE disguise himself as Cooper, complete with
> >messages to Dianne.  I also would have liked Nadine to punch out the real
> >Cooper by mistake while WE was escaping with Annie.

Well, the first bit doesn't do much for me, but the second one, with Nadine
punching out Cooper during the Miss TP fiasco, is pretty damn good (and you
might need a discovered Coop impersonation to give her a good reason for
doing so).  At least this would have given us a palpable reason for Cooper
never actually doing anything to protect Annie in that scene!  Unlike some
of the a.t.tp-ers, I never had any problem with WE (enjoyed his scenes quite
a lot, in fact), and never had any real problem with us, the audience, knowing
more than Cooper, but once Coop figured out that the Miss Twin Peaks contest
was to be the WE's target, and had gone there specifically to stake it out,
and Annie, his true love, had been named queen, you'd think he'd do nothing
but head straight for her side when the pandemonium starts... but, NOOoooo...
he wanders around looking completely lost!  This bit really bothered me, as
I know it did a lot of other folk.  Nadine punching out Coops lights may
have seemed a bit too frivolous, but it would have been better than his
catatonia act.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <jms.5343@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In Chula Vista, California, the image of a murdered girl is allegedly
> >appearing on a blank billboard.  The girl's name is Laura and one person
> >says the killer's image is also appearing.

please, no... I see enough of this awful story on the TV news... why
here, too????

seriously, it was a strange sight. I saw the billboard on the TV before I knew
what they were discussing.. and I did think I saw the figure of a woman/girl
in the center. There also DID seem to be two other figures, on the left and
the right.

I haven't heard the killer theory, though. 

btw, the name is Laura Arroyo... and I'm pretty sure her father ain't
Leland Arroyo. Though you never know...

-jason


-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego "I wake up in your room, share one piece of your life. When tomorrow comes We may not be here at all, without your whispers and moans.. Here you come to carry me home." -- Crowded House

In article <1991Jul22.162407.12386@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Somebody pointed out to me that Gordon saying to Bobby, ``Take another
> >look, it's happening again.''  was an echo of the Giant saying to
> >Cooper ``It is happening again.''

Didn't Gordon say "it's gonna happen again"?

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In article <kiwg62w164w@bluemoon.uucp> kbays@bluemoon.uucp (Ken Bays) writes:
> >Does anyone know what's going on with the Gazette?  Are they still making
> >new issues, or is our money down the drain (or can we get a refund?)
> >
> >Also, did anybody ever get their free coffee mugs?  I didn't.
> >
> >

I got a letter from them stating that they would no longer be producing a
monthly Gazette, but would instead send "bigger, better" less frequent
publications about the movie. I think that someone with more knowledge
of these things than I should contact them about a group small claims
suit or something. I also never got my mug or my TP address. In fact,
they still owe me one issue of the Gazette.

Janet
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In article <1991Jul5.141729.24260@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >  Maybe it would be interesting to take a poll of all-time favorite
> >Twin Peaks scenes (I am not willing to tabulate, though).  I suspect
> >there would be a lot of votes (not mine, I prefer the Tibetan rock-
> >throwing ceremony) for the first dream sequence, so perhaps it should
> >be a list of top n.

I'd be willing to tabulate.

Jason Snell (jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu writes:

> >In article <jms.5343@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> >>In Chula Vista, California, the image of a murdered girl is allegedly
>> >>appearing on a blank billboard.  The girl's name is Laura and one person
>> >>says the killer's image is also appearing.
 
> >please, no... I see enough of this awful story on the TV news... why
> >here, too????
 
> >seriously, it was a strange sight. I saw the billboard on the TV before I knew
> >what they were discussing.. and I did think I saw the figure of a woman/girl
> >in the center. There also DID seem to be two other figures, on the left and
> >the right.
 
> >I haven't heard the killer theory, though. 
 
> >btw, the name is Laura Arroyo... and I'm pretty sure her father ain't
> >Leland Arroyo. Though you never know...
 
> >-jason
 

What is all this about?  Being from the east I have not heard about
this.  At first I thought it concerned a billboard for the european
version release on video.  Now I'm not sure.  Clarification Please.

sharon

(1)  The morning of the Miss TP contest  Nadine gets a necklace from an
anonymous admirer who hopes she will wear it that evening

(2) At the Miss TP contest, WE disguises himself as Cooper, somehow getting
the real Cooper out of the way.  (``I'm your doppleganger, stupid'' [CLONK!])
He goes around munching doughnuts, dictating to Dianne, etc.

(3) Grabs Annie.  Could have some fun with how she knows it's not the real
Cooper (``... you promised me this afternoon there wouldn't be anymore of
that stupid Tibet stuff.'')

(4) Nadine tries to rescue Annie.  WE/Cooper whips out the Dianne box and
presses a button.  Nadine's necklace zaps Nadine.

(5) Nadine recovers just as the real Cooper comes rushing into the hall...

Hello twin-peaks fanatics!!  I was a fan of the show when it began, but
was not able to watch every week.  I saw acouple of the shows and then
watched the last show of the season.   I just have one question-------
What the heck did it all mean?  And are they really going to leave us
hanging?  Could someone shed a little light on what happened in the
` red curtained rooms ' ?   I would greatly appreciate any help to ease
my mind.   Thank You, Cathy Ridings

terry m. libkuman <346V5FU@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:

> >Just wondering if any of you Peakheads have caught some of Sherilyn
> >Fenn's film work.  Recently saw TWO MOON JUNCTION, and found it to
> >be one hell of a Fenn showcase--if not a terrificly plotted film.
> >If you ever wondered what Audrey looked like under those long skirts,
> >this is the film for you.  Am on the lookout for another Fenn piece
> >called MERIDIAN: KISS OF THE BEAST (1990).  If anyone has seen it,
> >As long as we are on the subject of movies, anyone who wants to

It's only "the film for you" if you don't mind a *really* bad hair dye job.
Sherilyn makes one lousy platinum blonde, lemme tell ya.  Of course, "under 
those long skirts" is another story....

> >Oh, almost forgot--not to dwell on the subject (Mr. Subliminal:
> >"Pervert") but the independent film O-8 TALES has what I believe
> >to be the only nude footage of Sheryl Lee ever--the scene in the
> >Bronco is something to behold.

Never heard of this one.  Is is readily available on video or did you catch it
on "Showtime's After Hours" or something?  The title is the numeric version
of "zero through eight tales," right?  

By the way, some would argue that the last shot of the second season opener
contained a little Sheryl Lee nudity...
===========================================================================  
Captain Frank A. Lauro              fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Commanding Officer                  University of Illinois
USS ALEXA, NCC 1764-D               at Champaign-Urbana
================QUOTE OF THE [INSERT TEMPORAL DESIGNATION]=================
"I'm tired of you sick sons of bitches, Lecktor.  You got something to
say to me, say it."
   ---Will Graham (William F. Petersen), to Dr. Hannibal
   Lecktor [changed to Lecter in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS],
   MANHUNTER, 1986

As i was reading through a video guide i discovered that there was an 
actor named Leland Palmer in the Bob Fosse film All That Jazz.  I 
haven't seen the movie so i don't know if there would be any obscure
peaks relation or even who the actor played and/or what other films he 
had been in that would have possible peaks connections.  Anyone know?!


Lois Therese Casaleggi         "It's a heart-breaking world if you
ltc19205@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       want it to be, and you're the one
                                who breaks it for me."   Squeeze

 Well, when I expected to join this forum, I had hoped for a little more 
than people reciting their favorite parts of the shows, and how they liked 
some parts and hated others, like some cheap Leonard Maltin review.
 
 Twin Peaks was a fine show, we all agree on that, and maybe there weren't 
enough ideas to support it for a 22 episode season (I think that's the 
number) and relating good/bad bits gets pretty introspective after awhile. 
And far too "trekkie"-ish for me.
 
 
 I'm a film student at the University of British Columbia, and if anybody 
wants to discuss Lynch's film work in any of his projects whether it be 
technical or storyline email, please email me. I'd be more than happy to 
converse with anybody who'd like to discuss the meanings of the Planet in 
Eraserhead, the jump-cut to the Big Tuna sign in Wild at Heart, or whatever 
else.
 
 Jabbering about favorite parts and favorite actors just is a little dry for 
me. No offence, hell, I liked Gordon too. And I'm sure you're all fine 
people, but discussing levels of weirdness reminds me of that inept forum 
rec.music.gaffa--dedicated to Kate Bush fans, who just jabber like magpies 
about how cool they think she is because she's wierd.
 
 So, thanks for the breif parlance folks, I'm outa here.
 And if anybody would like to talk about Lynch solely, then do let me know.
 
 Or if there are any fans of the band, "The Men They Couldn't Hang", do 
email me as well.

Catherine Coulson was the first camera assistant on STAR TREK II:  THE WRATH OF
KHAN.  

Miguel Ferrer played the first officer of the USS EXCELSIOR in STAR TREK III:
THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK.  And he had *hair*, even!

Just thought you'd like to know, since I rented them both last night....
===========================================================================  
Captain Frank A. Lauro              fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Commanding Officer                  University of Illinois
USS ALEXA, NCC 1764-D               at Champaign-Urbana
================QUOTE OF THE [INSERT TEMPORAL DESIGNATION]=================
"I'm tired of you sick sons of bitches, Lecktor.  You got something to
say to me, say it."
   ---Will Graham (William F. Petersen), to Dr. Hannibal
   Lecktor [changed to Lecter in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS],
   MANHUNTER, 1986

In article <1991Jul25.190153.14008@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> > (2) At the Miss TP contest, WE disguises himself as Cooper, somehow getting
> > the real Cooper out of the way.  (``I'm your doppleganger, stupid'' [CLONK!])
> > He goes around munching doughnuts, dictating to Dianne, etc.

Neat idea, but I don't think a SQUADRON of makeup artists could have pulled THAT off.
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In article <1991Jul11.133424.18766@athena.mit.edu> lcharris@athena.mit.edu (Lynn C Harris) writes:
> >
> >can someone please e-mail me this list of allusions that everyone's
> >buzzing about? thanks a lot.
> >Lynn
> >
> >lcharris@athena.mit.edu
******************************************************************************
Me too, please.

Mack D. Hartwellmhartwel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
******************************************************************************

stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas) writes:


> > I'm a film student at the University of British Columbia, and if anybody 

             Freshman, right?

> >wants to discuss Lynch's film work in any of his projects whether it be 
> >technical or storyline email, please email me. I'd be more than happy to 
> >converse with anybody who'd like to discuss the meanings of the Planet in 
> >Eraserhead, the jump-cut to the Big Tuna sign in Wild at Heart, or whatever 
> >else.
> > 
> > Jabbering about favorite parts and favorite actors just is a little dry for 
> >me. No offence, hell, I liked Gordon too. And I'm sure you're all fine 
> >people, 

              Aw shucks, thank you (toe scrape)

          but discussing levels of weirdness reminds me of that inept forum 
> >rec.music.gaffa--dedicated to Kate Bush fans, who just jabber like magpies 
> >about how cool they think she is because she's wierd.

      Our little minds can't handle more
> > 
> > So, thanks for the breif parlance folks, I'm outa here.
> > And if anybody would like to talk about Lynch solely, then do let me know.

        You will be sorely missed.  Not.     
-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

In article <4178@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:

   Seeing the previews for "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey", where they engage
   Death in contests of Battleship, Twister, etc. makes me wish Lynch had 
   though of it first.  Coop playing Twister with his D-ganger would have
   been a gas!

It werde gethoughtof befur.
Trans: Somebody did think of it already.

It war im dem film De Duva.
Trans: It was in the film ``The Dove.''

Dar war de heroische man geplaying badminton mit der death.
Trans: The hero played badminton with Death in it.

Qwot favorit:
Trans: Favorite quote:

Ich bin de Death, ich bin gecommen to all men gesooner or later.
Trans: I am Death; I come to all men eventually.

-30-
Bob

Phaliken symbol?
Trans: Have a cigar?

In article <91205.170355346V5FU@CMUVM.BITNET> 346V5FU@CMUVM.BITNET (terry m. libkuman) writes:
> >Any of you Peakheads seen Sherilyn Fenn's work in TWO MOON JUNCTION?
> >We just rented it and found it to be incredibly stupid when Fenn isn't
> >undressed.  PLAYBOY magazine says that the second-best flick to see
> >Fenn nude in (after JUNCTION) is MERIDIAN: KISS OF THE BEAST.  Local
> >rental joints don't carry it, so maybe one of you can provide a review.

I saw that flick...absolutely grade C all the way.  Fenn plays an American
descendant of some Italian person involved in your typical Old Family Curse.
Her male counterpart works in this traveling circus and is actually two
people: your basic suave aristocrat and his furry alter ego, the one 
referred to in the title.  Seems she invites the circus crew to dinner,
and besides having really bad table manners, they slip her and her friend
a Mind-Altering Substance which causes them to behave in a rather beastly,
but athletic, manner.

I don't recall seeing as much of Ms. Fenn, as of her friend the art student
(who happens to be working on restoring this old painting whose subject is
gradually revealed to be Mr. Suave).  I don't recall who the actress was 
that portrayed her, but her moving portrayal compels me to give the film
two large, firm stars.

jimbo

I saw parts of "kiss of the Beast" ... I think it was a made for HBO
movie....if I am wrong my film major boyfriend will kill me.....the movie
was ok..a little melodramatic... interesting to see Audrey do it with a
beast though...


Rebel

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In article <1991Jul24.222111.25090@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> pjs29326@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Phillip Jude Salomon) writes:
> >I remember reading in Doctor Who Magazine about a story on a BBS in Washington,
> >I believe, about the Doctor and Ace of "Doctor Who" landing in Twin Peaks, WA
> >because it was one of the three best places in the galaxy for cherry pie.  I
> >don't know what happened after that, because I don't have that BBS.  If someone
> >has the story, can you please post it?  I would love to read it!

As I mentioned over in the Dr. Who base, I started that story (which went
through three or four titles, including "Doctor Who Killed Laura Palmer?" :))
as a pass-around, but it turned into an incomplete pass.  The fanclub I'm in
is planning to issue it as a fanzine, just as soon as someone can be bothered
to write an ending.  And a middle.  We've got an outline to fill in, but
we just need time to write it.

And we're still open to suggestions...

Jon

In article <4181@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
#I don't recall seeing as much of Ms. Fenn, as of her friend the art student
#(who happens to be working on restoring this old painting whose subject is
#gradually revealed to be Mr. Suave).  I don't recall who the actress was 
#that portrayed her, but her moving portrayal compels me to give the film
#two large, firm stars.

Charlie Spradling.

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Since everyone's talking about Sherilyn Fenn and Lara Flynn Boyle,
I thought I'd inquire into "James," although I don't remember the 
actor's name.  (James Marshall?)  Is he in ANYTHING else anyone's
ever heard of?  

And did anyone ever post an address to write to, to express anger
about TP's cancellation?  People seemed enthusiastic about it, and
then I didn't read for a few days, and then no one mentioned it
again.

AND, is there anyone out there that has the entire series on tape
and a way to copy it, or information about how to get hold of it?
Now that I've been reading this group for a few weeks, I'd love to
go back and watch it all again, and show my boyfriend the earlier
episodes.  Believe it or not, he actually became a fan halfway
through the second season!!!!!!!!

Thanks a lot!

In article <4145@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >
> >Now if someone could tell me who played cousin It, my life would be complete.
> >
> >jimbo

Ta-da! Cousin Itt (this is not a typo) was played by Felix Silla...
Go forth with a complete life :-)

Janet
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A little confusion occurred about the exact title of the Sheryl Lee film.
It has been released twice--first by an independent filmmaker as
O-8 TALES (pronounced oh-eight).  It might have even been a student
film, as there is almost zero information available on it.  It was pick-
ed up later by a Canadian distributor and released as ROOM O-8.  This
distributor only released a few films before plunging into bankruptcy.
The name of the distributor was Kullman Media.  Try as we might, we
can find no trace of the company.
The only way we saw the flick was in a Canadian Red Roof Inn in
Ontario.  If anybody out there has any idea how to get hold of this
film, please post it.
Quick plot summary:  In a dazzling array of soft-porn, Sheryl, along
with several other girls prances about nude acting out a clueless
plot.  But where else ya gonna see Laura nude?

Tom Root
Mark Libkuman
Mount Pleasant,  MI

P.S.:  Howabout a LATE NIGHT newsgroup?  Who's with us?

Where is the Kiana Lodge located?

In article <RFPN61w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>, stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas) writes:
> >  Well, when I expected to join this forum, I had hoped for a little more 
> > than people reciting their favorite parts of the shows...
> > ...relating good/bad bits gets pretty introspective after awhile.
> > And far too "trekkie"-ish for me.
> >
> > ...I'd be more than happy to 
> > converse with anybody who'd like to discuss the meanings of the Planet in 
> > Eraserhead, the jump-cut to the Big Tuna sign in Wild at Heart, or whatever 
> > else.

Yeah, the Big Tuna sign was my favorite part of the show.      No, wait.  
I thought it was a real "good bit."                            No, wait.  
Now I'm confused.
Just what the hell DO you want to discuss?
Oh, OK.  You want to discuss the good bits YOU liked.  Hey, no problem.

> > ..but discussing levels of weirdness reminds me of that inept forum 
> > rec.music.gaffa--dedicated to Kate Bush fans, who just jabber like magpies 
> > about how cool they think she is because she's wierd...
> >  
> >  Or if there are any fans of the band, "The Men They Couldn't Hang", do 
> > email me as well.

Yep, that bears out my deductions.  And yours.  (I'm a gaffa fan too.)
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Please excuse this message which will be of little use
to most of you.

To whomever posted recently about R. Holdstock's books
Mythago and Lavondyss, would you please email me? I have
a brief question to ask and I cannot seem to find your
original message.
Thank you, David
=========================
darr@boulder.colorado.edu

In article <1991Jul25.202825.28591@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
-Catherine Coulson was the first camera assistant on STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF
-KHAN.  
-
-Miguel Ferrer played the first officer of the USS EXCELSIOR in STAR TREK III:
-THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK.  And he had *hair*, even!
-
-Just thought you'd like to know, since I rented them both last night....
-===========================================================================  
-Captain Frank A. Lauro              fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Speaking of Enterprise officers with hair...

Has anyone been watching "I, Claudius" on PBS these past weeks?  Patrick
Stewart (Capt. Picard) plays the emperor Tiberius' assistant despot.  He
was disemboweled in the last episode, so you've missed your chance to see
him as a curly blond.

However, this week brings us to the crowning of Caligula as emperor.  John
Hurt plays this part to the limit; even if you haven't been watching the 
series you will find this most entertaining.  This is Good TV!!!

jimbo

NBC had a report on MTV today (Friday) and mentioned that its influenced
spread far and fast including the area of "mainstream televison."  At
this point they showed part of the intro. from Twin Peaks (shot of bird
and then shot of sign, "Twin Peaks... population..."  Is there something
I'm missing here?  I couldn't understand where MTV-style video was
present in Twin Peaks.
(then there's also the question of MTV calling Twin Peaks mainstream 
television.)

Rocky Giovinazzo

Has anybody compiled a thorough filmography of Sherilyn Fenn? This 
would hopefully include all of her films, television movies (such as 
"Dillinger"), straight-to-video releases, etc.

Not a Fenn Freak, but I think that, for the sake of everybody's curiosity 
(and inflamed hormones), one should be posted.

I have a semi-thorough filmography of Jack Nance, if anyone is 
interested.

                                 -Uzer

In article <D8ZP62w164w@darkside.com> user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
> >Has anybody compiled a thorough filmography of Sherilyn Fenn? This 
> >would hopefully include all of her films, television movies (such as 
> >"Dillinger"), straight-to-video releases, etc.

Isn't this kind of thing that belongs in those monthly lists?  Anyway,
here's the entry for Sherilyn Fenn:

ABC AFTERSCHOOL SPECIAL: "A Family Again" (1988)
Backstreet Dreams (aka Backstreet Strays)
Crime Zone (1988)
Death of a Sibling (TV)
Dillinger (1991) (TV)
Divided We Stand (TV)
Hit Man [in production 1991]
Just One of the Guys (1985)
Kiss of the Beast (aka Meridian)
Out of Control (1984)
Prep School (1981)
Silence of the Heart (TV)
Thrashin' (1986)
True Blood (1989)
21 JUMP STREET (episode #?)
TWIN PEAKS (1990, 1991) (TV)
Two Moon Junction (1988)
Wild at Heart (1990)
Wild Life, The (1984)
Wraith, The (1986)
Zombie High (1987)

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jul26.195317.7454@ns.uoregon.edu> rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu writes:
> >Where is the Kiana Lodge located? 

In Poulsbo, Washington.  Their chamber of commerce will send you some nice
info and maps on the area, though they don't mention the Kiana Lodge.  But
when you talk to them in person, they do know about it, and it's TP
connection.  I think the area code is 206 (but you probably ought to check
with your long distance operator); you can use directory assistance to
get the number for both the chamber of commerce and the Kiana Lodge.

Despite its name, the Kiana Lodge does not have sleeping rooms for rent.
The Kiana Lodge is strictly a sort of meeting place, with banquet
facilities and such.  It is a neat place to visit.  You will definitely
recognize the interiors, with the Indian animal/spirit drawings on the
natural wood what you see in the Great Northern.  Lovely place.  They
have a small gift shop with nice mugs and T-shirts, too (though none of
them mention Twin Peaks).  On the day I visited, they had several hundred
people, many in native costumes, doing dances to ethnic music.  At first
we thought they might be Norwegian, and were considerably "Peaked"; we
later found out that they were Estonians, but it was a hoot anyway.

Poulsbo, by the way, is about 2 hours away from Snoqualmie/North Bend.
It is on the other side of Seattle.  And, be warned, though the shortest
land route connecting Poulsbo and Snoqualmie goes quite a ways out of
the way, you may want to consider it, as the ferry backs up rather
drastically, and took us over an hour of waiting before we even began
the ferry ride.  Perhaps there is some way to enquire about the wait
at the ferry by phone.

Hope this helps.  I could probably find the maps and stuff, and pin
down the location a little better for you, but if you're headed that
way, you'll probably want maps of your own.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Hi,

I seemed to stumbled into Twin Peaks when it was too late and got
hooked.  I saw only 1 episode in its entirety, the last one which I taped.
Now I want to see all or most of the previous episodes.  Is it possible this
show will ever run on another network in re-runs?  



Thanks,


Bryan

I'm posting a copy of an e-mail message I tried to send to this guy
(although my mailer didn't seem to find him--suppose he wonders why no
one ever talks to him?).  As I was writing it I realized that, as I
castigate him for not posting anything interesting and then blaming
the group for not entertaining him, I myself am guilty of worrying
that I will lose the stimulation of this newsgroup if the flow of
ideas peters out now that the show is over, and yet plenty of partly
coherent ideas have come up as I've read and responded to other
people's postings, but I haven't had time to organize them (and my work
isn't likely to give me a chance for a while).  So I guess this
message could be taken as a reminder to myself and a request to others
to keep thinking and posting.

To: stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas)
In-reply-to: stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca's message of 25 Jul 91 20:00:38 GMT
Subject: My Rambling Regrets...
Reply-to: barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu

[if you missed his posting, it included the indented paragraph]

   Well, when I expected to join this forum, I had hoped for a little more 
   than people reciting their favorite parts of the shows, and how they liked 
   some parts and hated others, like some cheap Leonard Maltin review.

So start a discussion on something that interests you.  Surely there's
some aspect of Twin Peaks that intrigues you as a film student that you'd like
other people's opinions on.  Remember, we've already talked about a
lot already, before you got here, while the show was still running.
Discussions tended to be triggered by specific images, plot
developments, etc. from the current episode, with speculation about
what was going to happen next. They took in a wide range of interests.
I'm sure that if you have something interesting to say about some
specific image, technique, storyline, etc. (that hasn't already been
discussed, or even if it has, we don't mind repeating ourselves if the
subject is interesting enough) there will be a response.  But you're
far more likely to get a discussion started if you either ask a
specific question or bring up an interesting idea than if you just show up
in a place where people have been talking for a while, and say "Here I
am, fascinate me."

Now your familiarity with the newsgroup rec.music.gaffa leads me to
believe that you must spend a fair amount of time looking around at
different groups and so time constraints are causing you to look for
an excuse to ignore this one.  If that's the case, don't blame this
group (or even patronize us.  I'm sure you're probably a nice person
too, if a little self-important).  Like any unmoderated open forum,
alt.tv.tp gets its share of traffic that is only of compelling
interest to a fraction of its readers but is kept going by that
fraction until it mutates into something else.  If reading through the
daily hundreds of postings to rec.arts.movies leaves you no time for
the twenty or thirty odd postings in alt.tv.tp, then that's your
decision.  Since you never gave an example of the contributions you
might be able to make to the group, I have no way of judging whether I
will miss them.

Barb Miller

In article <1991Jul27.035302.18464@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
|> 
|> Isn't this kind of thing that belongs in those monthly lists?  Anyway,
|> here's the entry for Sherilyn Fenn:
|> 
|> ABC AFTERSCHOOL SPECIAL: "A Family Again" (1988)
|> Backstreet Dreams (aka Backstreet Strays)
|> Crime Zone (1988)
|> Death of a Sibling (TV)
|> Dillinger (1991) (TV)
|> Divided We Stand (TV)
|> Hit Man [in production 1991]
|> Just One of the Guys (1985)
|> Kiss of the Beast (aka Meridian)
|> Out of Control (1984)
|> Prep School (1981)
|> Silence of the Heart (TV)
|> Thrashin' (1986)
|> True Blood (1989)
|> 21 JUMP STREET (episode #?)
|> TWIN PEAKS (1990, 1991) (TV)
|> Two Moon Junction (1988)
|> Wild at Heart (1990)
|> Wild Life, The (1984)
|> Wraith, The (1986)
|> Zombie High (1987)
|> 

Add

Desire and Hell at Sunset Motel

unless it's just another name for one of the above. Otherwise, it's a movie starring Ms. Fenn, among others. Year unknown.


kicko

    "Just keep watching the sky
    like a good little asteroid."

[From "The Chicago Tribune" as reprinted in "The Columbia Daily Tribune"]

   The ABC-TV series "Twin Peaks" is history, but that hasn't stopped
sightseeing tours of the area near Seattle that had served as the backdrop
for the show.  That's the area in and around the towns of Snoqualmie and
North Bend, about 30 miles east of Seattle.
   First stop on the Gray Line of Seattle motorcoach tour is Snoqualmie
Falls, seen in the opening credits of the series.  Then, it's on to North
Bend and the Mar-T Cafe, inspiration for the RR Diner, and other locations
used in the TV show.
   The half-day tours depart daily through Oct. 13.  Cost is $22 for adults,
$21 for senior citizens and $11 for children ages 6 to 12.  For more
information, call Gray Line of Seattle toll-free at (800) 426-7532.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

Let's face it, Rocky, little tales like Audrey's utterly
unoriginal love-affair/deflowering and other such God-awful
cliches are simply a waste of time and an insult to the intel-
ligence of _Twin Peaks_ viewers.  Now, I very much enjoyed the
Windom Earle/Black Lodge/White Lodge thread, because it was
significant -- it was intelligent and compelling.

Just tell me one intelligent thing about Audrey's love
affair or Nadine's high school romance or Norma's mother, or any
of the other insipid sub-plots.

From the beginning, _Twin Peaks_ was an examination of
a seemingly innocent small town, which actually serves to hide
all forms of powerfully evil forces.  The mystical nature, as
well as the darkness protrayed in the first season, are the
reasons I began and continued to watch _Twin Peaks_.  I did not
tune in to see another soap opera -- I tuned in to see a 
portrayal of good pitted against evil in a most unlikely
Northwestern town.


--
Alexander Aingworth/as215 -- Cleveland FreeNet

'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

In article <9107282144.AA26115@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> >
> >Let's face it, Rocky, little tales like Audrey's utterly
> >unoriginal love-affair/deflowering and other such God-awful
> >cliches are simply a waste of time and an insult to the intel-
> >ligence of _Twin Peaks_ viewers.  Now, I very much enjoyed the
> >Windom Earle/Black Lodge/White Lodge thread, because it was
> >significant -- it was intelligent and compelling.
> >
> >Just tell me one intelligent thing about Audrey's love
> >affair or Nadine's high school romance or Norma's mother, or any
> >of the other insipid sub-plots.
> >

Ok--- I'll concede here on the 3 above subplots-- but there were
at least 3 scenes that came out of these that I really enjoyed.  The
first was Norma's speech to her mother telling her to stop hurting her.
The second was Nadine crushing her malted milkshake with her hands.  The
third was Nadine jumping into bed with Ed & Norma.  The first one,
although a little corny was sort of moving (after all-- one of the
themes in the show was parent/child relationships).  The 2nd two made
me laugh.  Maybe if these subplots weren't so drawn out (and maybe if
there hadn't been so many delays between the airings of each episode),
they wouldn't have become so tedious.  I'm not sure all of the sub-plots
deserve total elimination.

I don't really understand the point of Audrey's affair.  The only thing
I can come up with is that maybe Zane fans would tune in.  As I said
before, (I think) the Civil War business was way too long.

The Jean Renault episodes, however, were good IMHO as were the slight
diversions with Gordon and other less important characters.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <9107282144.AA26115@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:

> >   Let's face it, Rocky, little tales like Audrey's utterly
> >   unoriginal love-affair/deflowering and other such God-awful
> >   cliches are simply a waste of time and an insult to the intel-
> >   ligence of _Twin Peaks_ viewers.  Now, I very much enjoyed the
> >   Windom Earle/Black Lodge/White Lodge thread, because it was
> >   significant -- it was intelligent and compelling.
> >
> >   Just tell me one intelligent thing about Audrey's love
> >   affair or Nadine's high school romance or Norma's mother, or any
> >   of the other insipid sub-plots.

I thought there were some very interesting things about Norma's
mother.  The parallel situations of both of them having married men
who were basically liars and crooks put an interesting twist on the
theme of the overly critical mother in that she looks down on what her
daughter does but is unable to realize that she herself can make the
same kinds of mistakes.  In fact, it may well be that she is so
demanding and fault-finding as a way of projecting her own fear of
failure onto others, or at least of making a living at what she is
able to do best.  One may assume that Annie was also criticized just
as thoroughly as she grew up, and since we get some tantalizing hints
but not much actual information about what led to Annie's suicide
attempt and decision to enter the convent, the view of their mother
provides some helpful insight.  It may well be that what she needed
more than anything was exposure to a mother symbol (either the head of
the convent, or the Virgin Mary) who was accepting and loving rather
than a demanding perfectionist.  This could have led to her being the
only female character who seemed to have any real inner spiritual
strength.

Beyond this, Norma's mother provides an interesting counterbalance to
the other characters in Twin Peaks who are mothers.  The other mothers
that I recall are Laura's mother, Donna's mother, Audrey's mother, and
Bobby Briggs' mother.  [Of course, Lucy is a mother-to-be, but she
probably doesn't really count yet.  And I guess the grandmother of the
Creamed Corn Kid must be somebody's mother.]  Certainly Audrey's and
Laura's lives are far more deeply affected by their fathers than by
their mothers, who are basically too weak to provide a counteracting
moral force (in Audrey's case) or adequate physical protection (in
Laura's case).  Bobby's mother seems like pretty much of a mouse as
well.  Between his father's remoteness and his mother's quiet
accomodation to him, it doesn't surprise me that Bobby is as confused
as he is about who he is, where he's going in life, and with whom he's
going.  Then there is Donna's mother, over whom the shadow of the
past is being cast in an ambiguous way toward the end of the series,
but all we know is that she was mixed up in some dark secret of Ben
Horne's past.  In addition, her confinement to a wheelchair causes her
to always appear to be much smaller than the people around her.

This pattern of mothers in the shadow of fathers (who are not always
benevolent) contrasts with Norma's mother.  Of course, Norma's
mother's strength is not really portrayed positively here either,
since it is more a strength of will than of love.  Since she is a food
critic, in fact, the term "devouring mother" would be very apropos
here, since in eating at her daughter's diner and then giving her
response based entirely upon her high food standards, without once
noticing that Norma has provided a welcoming social environment in the
town with coffee and pie to die for, Norma's mother is acting out the
archetype of the mother who would swallow her children rather than let
them be themselves.  Of course, Norma, in telling off her mother,
is getting excellent practice for telling off Hank, thus ridding
herself of two negative forces in her life.  Furthermore, Norma
herself seems to provide the closest thing to a positive mother figure
of anyone, in her relationship with Shelly.  We never see or even hear
about Shelly's real parents, but when Leo escapes, Shelly goes to the
diner because she feels safer there.  This feeling of safety no doubt
has something to do with the fact that the entire town gathers there,
but Norma is responsible for providing the food which draws the
community there and nourishes its body and soul.

Anyway, the preponderance of negative or weakened mother figures
seems to me to be significant in evaluating the darkness of Twin
Peaks.  There are some very significant father figures in Twin Peaks,
who wield tremendous power over their children's lives.   But no
really strong, positive mother figure who can nurture and protect the
children.  I think this has a lot to do with the darkness of the
vision of Twin Peaks.

I hope that somewhere in all of this, I have managed to say something
intelligent about Norma's mother, or at least why she seemed to me to
be a worthwhile diversion.  As for Nadine, well I haven't really
figured her out yet.  Her story was so bizarre, and yet so sad, that I
don't think I would give her up, if only as comic relief [bear in mind
that I realized early on I would have to make allowances for the
generally limited range of options for female characters in the
series].  Audrey's love affair happened so quickly that I could only
conclude that it might have been a setup for some other development in
the next season.  I actually thought there was more of interest in the
reverse mentor relationship between JJ and Ben Horne than in the love
affair.  It is almost as if JJ was some sort of hallucination from
Ben's crazy period that took physical form when he came out of it.

> >   From the beginning, _Twin Peaks_ was an examination of
> >   a seemingly innocent small town, which actually serves to hide
> >   all forms of powerfully evil forces.  The mystical nature, as
> >   well as the darkness protrayed in the first season, are the
> >   reasons I began and continued to watch _Twin Peaks_.  I did not
> >   tune in to see another soap opera -- I tuned in to see a 
> >   portrayal of good pitted against evil in a most unlikely
> >   Northwestern town.

But remember, one of the metaphors used in the first season was
precisely that of the soap opera.  Since it's already later than I had
planned to stay up tonight, I won't charge down this path now, but I
think that putting this story in an obscure American town and playing
off what popular culture has caused our expectations of that town to
be, requires that the mythic struggle's impact on ordinary lives has
to be shown.  And of course, since we're playing off popular culture
here, the lives will be more like soap operas than like ordinary
lives.  I won't say I liked all the subplots either.  In places where
they didn't take themselves too seriously (Nadine, Lucy/Andy), I think
they probably succeeded better than in places where there just wasn't
enough humor (Evelyn Marsh), since the bizarre humor plays into the
irony of the disclosure of our misplaced perceptions.  But I am not
willing to dismiss them too quickly, since many of them have
interesting contributions to make to the whole picture.

Barb Miller

In article <BARB.91Jul29000053@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:
> >In article <9107282144.AA26115@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
[laudable insight into parent/child theme deleted]

> >I hope that somewhere in all of this, I have managed to say something
> >intelligent about Norma's mother, or at least why she seemed to me to
> >be a worthwhile diversion.  As for Nadine, well I haven't really
> >figured her out yet.  Her story was so bizarre, and yet so sad, that I
> >don't think I would give her up, if only as comic relief [bear in mind
I wouldn't give her up either-- her superstrength was kind of 
unbelievable, but wasn't it great?  Ripping doors from their hinges,
smashing the Great Northern's service bell, breaking glass...  I agree that 
it was a sad story however.  Her suicide attempt was particularlly sad -- 
especially the way the scene was done (i.e. music, clothes, soft "goodbye"...)
-- but also the fact that Nadine apparently felt depressed enough to hide from
her life by retreating to the happy days of her youth.  (I'm breaking
out in tears as I type.)

> >Audrey's love affair happened so quickly that I could only
> >conclude that it might have been a setup for some other development in
> >the next season.  
I also think thought this was going to develop further.
The quick termination of the series after JJ's introduction
forced us to miss out on some details.  The murder of his friend/partner
near the end was apparently going to be something for next fall.
(We could have heard Dale/BOB say lines like, <in raspy voice>, 
"... just like what happened in South America, Wheeler...")

Rocky Giovinazzo

In a previous article, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) says:
> >In article <9107282144.AA26115@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>> >>
> >I don't really understand the point of Audrey's affair.  The only thing
> >I can come up with is that maybe Zane fans would tune in.  As I said

I think Audrey's affair with Wheeler was another way for David Lynch to
show that things are not always as they seem. During the first episode,
initial images lead people to think of homecoming queen Laura as the town's 
innocent, while Audrey's been with every guy in town. Further episodes
indicate that the opposite is true. I thought it ironic that Laura was
involved with everyone in town, including Audrey's father, while Audrey
was a virgin until she found someone that she cared about. I also liked
how Laura was attracted to the corrupt men/boys in town while Audrey aspired
to men like Cooper and Wheeler, who appeared altruistic at any rate. One
of my favorites scenes of the show was when Audrey felt she had to tell 
Cooper that she hadn't slept with anyone when she was at One Eyed Jacks. 

Perhaps I am biased since Audrey is (was :-( ) one of my favorite characters,
but I liked the way her character developed as the series progressed. I
also think her "involvement" with Cooper and Wheeler illustrated how badly
Audrey wanted to leave Twin Peaks to explore the "outside" world. Agent 
Cooper wouldn't take her away from TP, but maybe JJ would. 
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In article <1991Jul28.222723.21972@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > I don't really understand the point of Audrey's affair.  The only thing
> > I can come up with is that maybe Zane fans would tune in

My intuition is that the point of Audrey's affair was to get her knocked up by
a mystery man no one would ever see again.  Perhaps later he would be unmasked as
a White Lodge Doppleganger, or something.  Certainly, of all the characters, he
was the one who fit WE's description of "sachharine excess" to a T.  Of course,
without a third season, who will ever know.
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In article <1991Jul29.061652.6045@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

[speaking of Nadine]
> >   I wouldn't give her up either-- her superstrength was kind of 
> >   unbelievable, but wasn't it great?  Ripping doors from their hinges,
> >   smashing the Great Northern's service bell, breaking glass...  I agree that 
> >   it was a sad story however.  Her suicide attempt was particularlly sad -- 
> >   especially the way the scene was done (i.e. music, clothes, soft "goodbye"...)
> >   -- but also the fact that Nadine apparently felt depressed enough to hide from
> >   her life by retreating to the happy days of her youth.  (I'm breaking
> >   out in tears as I type.)

The actual suicide scene itself wasn't as sad to me as the underlying
knowledge that, in fact, her death would come as more of a relief to
the people around her than anything else.  Ed would no doubt feel
tremendous guilt, but once she was gone, would he miss her that much?
It's not clear to me that her youth was all that happy either, since
she had spent it pining away for Ed, whom she only got through a
misunderstanding that he had with Norma.  The retreat to her youth
might have been in fact a wish to do it over again, this time using
more strength and confidence.  In her heart she knew that she had
gotten Ed's loyalty but never his passionate love.  Who knows how she
might have had to change her real personality in order to appear to be
someone that Ed could love?  In her deluded state, she at least seemed
to be energetic, alive, and really herself.  She didn't make any
attempt to hide her great physical strength, even though good sense
might have told her it would make her appear something of a monster.
Her pursuit of Mike the wrestling star was humorous and painful at the
same time, in that it seemed impossible that he could ever be
attracted to her, but the final punch line of that sequence, when he
whispered in Bobby's ear about just how strong Nadine was, gave it a
very satisfying ending.  (Yes girls, despite what your mother told you
about always letting the man believe he's stronger, smarter, etc.,
there can be attractions in being agressive, forthright, and strong.)
One can only hope that, now that her sense of reality is returning,
Dr. Jacoby will have the presence of mind to show her the slides of
her victories in the wrestling meets so that perhaps she can
synthesize the more confident personality with her "real" one.

All of this could be quite profound or quite insipid, depending upon
how it was done.  In the case of Twin Peaks, the scenes in which she
used her superstrength were often so humorous that I at least was
carried along with it.  Perhaps I have read more into what was going
on than was actually portrayed, but I think there were some
interesting things going on there.

Barb Miller

Here at Cleveland FreeNet, certain people have an in-
teresting theory on the _Twin Peaks_ movie.  As most of you know,
certain cast members have announced that they do not wish to be
in a /\Twin Peaks/\ feature film.  It is the belief of some that
this is just another makerting ploy of David Lynch [and Mark
Frost].  Ideas?  Anyone consider this a plausible theory?

--
Alexander Aingworth/as215 -- Cleveland FreeNet

'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

> >From: cmcghee@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> >Date: 26-JUL-1991 17:03:22
> >Description: Random

> >AND, is there anyone out there that has the entire series on tape
> >and a way to copy it, or information about how to get hold of it?
> >Now that I've been reading this group for a few weeks, I'd love to
> >go back and watch it all again, and show my boyfriend the earlier
> >episodes.  Believe it or not, he actually became a fan halfway
> >through the second season!!!!!!!!
> > 
> >Thanks a lot!


I have an idea.  Instead of waiting for Lynch/Frost, or whoever else,
to start a Twin Peaks Video Cassette Library, why not do it ourselves.
I too would LOVE to have as many of the episodes as I can get, and I'm
sure with the number of people reading this area we could probably come
up with all of them (hopefully).

I'm not sure of the copyright laws affecting such a situation.  I am not
proposing that we sell the episodes, but rather start some sort of mailing
list.  A person with episode #x sends it off to person A, who tapes it
and sends it to the next person on the list.  The only costs would be
the videocassettes and shipping the episode off to the next person, which
could be kept to a minimum by sending it to the next person on the list
closest to you geographically.

Let me know what you all think. (ie is it possible etc.)

Darryl Friesen
friesenda@sask.usask.ca

Janet Christian wrote:

> > I got a letter from them stating that they would no longer be producing a
> > monthly Gazette, but would instead send "bigger, better" less frequent
> > publications about the movie. I think that someone with more knowledge
> > of these things than I should contact them about a group small claims
> > suit or something. I also never got my mug or my TP address. In fact,
> > they still owe me one issue of the Gazette.

Geez, Janet, aren't you putting the cart before the horse? Have you tried
calling or writing the Gazette people about your missing mug, address and
issue? Any small claims court judge worth his or her salt would through the
case out of court if the plaintiffs hadn't made a good-faith attempt to
resolve the problem before going to court. Although the Gazette people seem
rather disorganized and are clearly caught between a rock and a hard place
by ABC's cancellation of TWIN PEAKS, they haven't, to my knowledge, refused
to replace missing mugs, addresses, or issues nor did they act irresponsibly
in deciding to change publication frequency. Magazines do that all the time,
and the Gazette people have said they will follow standard practices for that
sort of thing by extending everyone's subscription in compensation.

In article <1991Jul21.021055.12039@infonode.ingr.com>, tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe) writes:
> > gerry@dialogic.com (Gerry Lachac) writes:
> > 
>> > >So are we saying that people actually like _Golden Years_?  It made me
>> > >want to vomit because the acting was so bad.  Maybe it wasn't the
>> > >acting itself, but the lines the actors were given.  Take the two
>> > >assistants in the beginning as a good example, or the mad doctor.
> > 
> > I'd have to agree with this.  Our whole family went into Golden Years
> > with high hopes.... we're all Stephen King fans, and were ready to 
> > watch every night.  After the first hour and a half, I had to bail
> > out;  my list of things I would rather be doing than watching this
> > lame attempt at drama got too long.  Both the acting and the writing
> > needed a lot of work, and the budget on this thing did seem somewhere
> > between Dr. Who and the original Star Trek.  The rest of my family
> > gave up after the first night.  

I don't think I lasted an hour on that show.  It was pretty pathetic.
I kept wondering why the "mad doctor" didn't have a hunchback dwarf
running around.  It was that bad.

marc colten

In article <1991Jul25.195037.22648@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ltc19205@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lois T Casaleggi) writes:
> >As i was reading through a video guide i discovered that there was an 
> >actor named Leland Palmer in the Bob Fosse film All That Jazz.  I 
> >haven't seen the movie so i don't know if there would be any obscure
> >peaks relation or even who the actor played and/or what other films he 
> >had been in that would have possible peaks connections.  Anyone know?!

Leland Palmer is the name of the actress who played the ex-wife of the
Roy Scheider/Bob Fosse character.  Any similarity to the Leland Palmer
in Twin Peaks is purely coincidental... Or is it?

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I am, through /\Twin Peaks/\ and other film from David
Lynch, somewhat familiar with the work of Angelo Badalamenti.  I
have the soundtrack to /\Twin Peaks/\, as well as _Floating Into
The Night_ and _Industrial Symphony No.1_.  I am impressed with
the work of Mr. Badalamenti.

I have seen Wild At Heart, but I do not remember much
about the music.  Would anyone like to give me a critique of the
musical soundtrack of _Wild At Heart_ and, perhaps, compare it
to the other works which I mentioned above?

--
Alexander Aingworth/as215 -- Cleveland FreeNet

'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

Does ANYONE out there know the plot or the time period (after the second 
season?) of the movie??  The only info I've heard so far is that the 
shooting has started on it...


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I was playing the Ubi game today (you know, The World Decided By Ubi, or
somesuch), and noticed something odd. On the map legend/key, where it
lists 'bout 10 people, it lists:
D.B. Cooper[parachute-symbol]
This parachute symbol can be found in Washington state on the map. [I
didn't get a chance to see if it was on the inset map, though.]
So, does anyone have any insight on this? (L/F Productions <==> Selchow &
(w?)righter????).

Hope this is interesting to someone...
-- -- John Hawkinson jhawk@panix.com

I am a Japanese living in Tokyo, JAPAN.  I've been wondering why you
guys are so crazy about `Twin Peaks' so I finally went to a video
rental shop and rented a video which has the first three episodes of
the program.

NOW I KNOW THE REASON.... NO WONDER....


           Yasuro KAWATA
        yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Maekawa Laboratory, Department of Information Science, 
Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN

as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:


> >I am, through /\Twin Peaks/\ and other film from David
> >Lynch, somewhat familiar with the work of Angelo Badalamenti.  I
> >have the soundtrack to /\Twin Peaks/\, as well as _Floating Into
> >The Night_ and _Industrial Symphony No.1_.  I am impressed with
> >the work of Mr. Badalamenti.

FYI: Angelo also did the music for the movie Cousins (Isabella 
Rosellenni, Ted Danson, William L. Petersen, Sean Young).  Rather
a change of pace from his Lynch works but still good.


Lois Therese Casaleggi         "It's a heart-breaking world if you
ltc19205@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       want it to be, and you're the one
                                who breaks it for me."   Squeeze

terry m. libkuman <346V5FU@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:

> >Keep the rest of us posted on any more Peak nudity--but not, say,
> >the Log Lady or Catherine Martell.

I agree with you about the Log Lady, but Piper Laurie was quite
a cutie, at least in her younger years. Her voice is still sexy.
-- [rbj@uunet 1] stty sane unknown mode: sane

The connection is obvious.  Leland Palmer, the character
in /\Twin Peaks/\ shows, especially after his hair turns white,
an uncanny love for jazz.  He sings the Mairzy Doats song,
dances in the Great Northern and in his house, sings at the Great
Northern, and also sings at the Hayward house -- 'Pack Up Your
Troubles'.  On Leland's card in the StarPics CardArt, he notes
one of his strengths, I believe, as a good tenor voice.

Since one of the actors in "All That Jazz" was named
Leland Palmer, Lynch/Frost are obviously making an allussion to
this person and to All That _JAZZ_.

--
Alexander Aingworth/as215 -- Cleveland FreeNet

'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

In article <Z69u61w164w@bluemoon.uucp> macbeth@bluemoon.uucp (Jeremy S. Rice) writes:

   FYI: The movie is underway. I t is planned for a December release.

Do you have a reference. or some other reason for us to believe you?
Last I heard it was dead because Kyle wasn't interested.

--
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Go Colorado Rockies -- Opening Day, Mile High Stadium, April 1993

In one of his books, Thor Heyerdahl describes how to make a papyrus boat.
You start by taking a few papyrus stalks (these are several yards long
and inches thick) and firmly binding them together at one end.  You then
take more stalks and force their ends one at a time into the bundle.  As
you proceed, the bundle grows longer and thicker.

The problem is that there is no way to make it thinner again.  The only
way to stop, when the bundle is the length you want, is to just chop
through the ragged end to square it off.

Twin Peaks.

--
Richard Kennaway          SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk            uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk

I think that a Twin Peaks video library would definitely be a good
thing.  It couldn't be difficult to do , and it would make many fans
who weren't conscientious enough to tape every episode, or who didn't
have access to a VCR at the time, very happy!
What about the copyright laws?  Does anyone know?

What does everyone else think?

-Colleen

She's not nude!, but Audrey appears in an advertisement in this month's
VOGUE magazine.  Can't remember the page #, but it's towards the front.
She's lying on a bearskin.
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schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

> > 
> > I'm planning a trip to Snoqualmie/North Bend in August with some
> > fans from Vancouver, and I know where most of the exteriors were
> > shot but none of the interiors -- I heard most were in Van
> > Nuys CA.  Does anyone know the location of the following:
> > 
> > Great Northern interiors
> > Pete/Caroline home interiors 

Both of these were done at the Kiana Lodge in Poulsbo. A posting about 
this should still be on your site - it might not necessarily be worth 
your while to find this.
> > RR diner interiors

This was done at the Mar-T Cafe in North Bend.

Note that the interiors of the PAckard lodge and the Great Northern Hotel 
were the Kiana lodge for the pilot ONLY.

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Hello,

I don't read this newsgroup but a friend of mine asked if I could
find out if there was any truth in the rumour he'd heard that
a special two hour episode is planned for production in order to wrap
up the various loose ends left dangling by the end of the series?
Has anyone heard anything about this?

Cheers,

Paul.

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I really missed "Invitation to Love."





DM

I had thought that "Twin Peaks:  Fire, Walk with Me" was off because Kyle
MacLachlan didn't want to play Cooper anymore.  Now someone claims that filming
has started.  What's going on?  Are they filming a prequel or a sequel?
Information, please.

Phil

In article <1991Jul29.235346.17961@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:
|> I was playing the Ubi game today (you know, The World Decided By Ubi, or
|> somesuch), and noticed something odd. On the map legend/key, where it
|> lists 'bout 10 people, it lists:
|> D.B. Cooper[parachute-symbol]
|> This parachute symbol can be found in Washington state on the map. [I
|> didn't get a chance to see if it was on the inset map, though.]
|> So, does anyone have any insight on this? (L/F Productions <==> Selchow &
|> (w?)righter????).
|> 
|> Hope this is interesting to someone...
|> -- 
|> --
|> John Hawkinson
|> jhawk@panix.com

D.B. Cooper was the name of the guy who parachuted out of a plane
a while back with a suitcase full of money (millions of dollars I 
think) never to be seen again.

Kevin

cmcghee@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> >I think that a Twin Peaks video library would definitely be a good
> >thing.  It couldn't be difficult to do , and it would make many fans
> >who weren't conscientious enough to tape every episode, or who didn't
> >have access to a VCR at the time, very happy!
> >What about the copyright laws?  Does anyone know?

> >What does everyone else think?

While I don't know exactly what the copyright laws state, I do
know that if you folks go ahead with the plan as it was proposed
(people making a copy and sending it on to someone who makes a
copy of the copy, etc...), there are going to be a LOT of people
with really awful videotapes.  It only takes several generations
before the video signal on a tape isn't sufficient to keep the
frame properly positioned on the screen, to keep the snow out, and
to make it pleasant to watch.

If you folks do decide to do this, a different system should be
worked out...such as someone with the entire series on 3/4" tape
making tons-o-copies from their original...of course, it's going
to be hard to find someone with such originals who is also willing
to spend hundreds of hours copying....

Good luck.

--Tony (tmurray@socrates.umd.edu)
  "What is your favorite color?"

       D.B. Cooper was a bank robber, and the fact that he parachuted
    out the back of a 747 over Washington state might be why Lynch/Frost
    elected to name their intrepid FBI agent after him. Dunno if D.B. was
    a DALE B. though...he was clever though...no one ever caught him, far
    as I know...now then...WHEREINTHEHELL did you find an UBI game??? I     
    have scoured every toy and hobby place for miles looking for it!!
    (E-mail me on that point...:))

         Tyger

In article <1991Jul30.010239.7396@uunet.uu.net> rbj@uunet.uu.net (Root Boy Jim)
writes:
> >terry m. libkuman <346V5FU@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:
> >
>> >>Keep the rest of us posted on any more Peak nudity--but not, say,
>> >>the Log Lady or Catherine Martell.
> >
> >I agree with you about the Log Lady, but Piper Laurie was quite
> >a cutie, at least in her younger years. Her voice is still sexy.
> >-- 
> >                [rbj@uunet 1] stty sane

I noticed in her appearance on "Into the Night" during the final hiatus that
the woman who plays the log lady is much more attractive when out of character.
You might be pleasantly surprised.

Twin Peaks is getting old.  The new show to talk about is Northern Exposure.
Anyone else agree?

And who is the incredibly beautiful woman that plays the character of Maggie?
Has she been in anything else?

--
John Owen
University Of Lowell
grljo@cs.ulowell.edu