Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <6wqw63w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu writes:
> >schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
> >
>> >> 
>> >> I'm planning a trip to Snoqualmie/North Bend in August with some
>> >> fans from Vancouver, and I know where most of the exteriors were
>> >> shot but none of the interiors -- I heard most were in Van
>> >> Nuys CA.  Does anyone know the location of the following:
>> >> 
>> >> Great Northern interiors
>> >> Pete/Caroline home interiors 
> >
> >Both of these were done at the Kiana Lodge in Poulsbo. A posting about 
> >this should still be on your site - it might not necessarily be worth 
> >your while to find this.
>> >> RR diner interiors
> >
> >This was done at the Mar-T Cafe in North Bend.
> >
> >Note that the interiors of the PAckard lodge and the Great Northern Hotel 
> >were the Kiana lodge for the pilot ONLY.
> >

I think what is meant here is that subsequent interiors were shot in a set in
Van Nuys as mentioned in the original posting. Correct? And is this true,
namely that all interiors beyond the pilot were shot in California?

What about exteriors?  I know stock footage was used a lot, but was stuff like
the Dead Dog farm and Glastonbury Grove shot in California also?  Some of the
later looked like it could have been a set rather than real. Ditto the cave.

> >UUCP: hikaru@halcyon.uucp  Internet: halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu  
> >Alternate: hikaru@halcyon.wa.com  or: hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
> >

-Rich Haller

In article <288DF3E6.2765@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >Lara Flynn Boyle will also be appearing in a dark comedy with Judd Nelson
> >and James Caan in which she plays the girlfriend of a man with three
> >arms -- the third arm protuding from him back.
> >
> >I can't remember the title of the movie right off-hand, but I do remember
> >hearing Judd Nelson say she would be in it in an interview.

The Dark Backward

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This is a new edition of the allusions list. It includes corrections and some 
revisions, but is not quite ready to be called Edition 3. I'm thinking about
putting the list on the file server, but would like some feedback first. What do
you think? Should it go on? 

Allusions to other works within Twin Peaks Edition 2.5

Note: these are not meant to be read as a definite link to all these works; 
some may be coincidences. In general, most are lighthearted jabs, but some 
have real value in solving the mysteries of Twin Peaks. Actually, these are 
more likely "footnotes" rather than "allusions". (List originator and editor: 
Dave Platt [DGP], Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada)

(Contributors: DGP; Col Needham (CN), HP 
Labs, Bristol, U.K.; Rocky J Giovinazzo (RJG), U Mass.; Jason Snell, Unversity 
Of California, San Diego(JS), Dan Parmenter (DP); Joakim Petterson, 
Stockholm, Sweden (JP); RIch Haller, Eugene, Oregon (RH); Leslie D. 
Zettergren (LDZ); Lois T Casaleggi (LTC); Barb Miller (BM). 
Except where indicated, notes are made by DGP) 

SEASON ONE
   (In chronological order starting with 1000):

   1. The Bird:  Blue Velvet ends with a shot of a robin with a bug in its 
mouth.
   
   2. "Twin Peaks": Supposedly a fairly obvious sexual reference, I hadn't 
heard it used before, although SPY's "Separated At Birth?" book (published 
1988) commented on the "Twin (widow's) Peaks" of Bob Eubanks and Butch 
(Eddie Munster) Patrick. As well, for a town even more obssessed with 
lumber, TP has nothing on Lumberton from Blue Velvet. Also, Blake Edward's 
1962  thriller "Experiment In Terror" features Lee Remick as a bank clerk 
terrorized by a psycho into stealing from her employers. She lives in 
Twin Peaks (in San Francisco) and  the psycho's name is Red Lynch!! (CN) 
Finally, Entertainment Tonight ran two separate stories on Snoqualmie, WA 
(where the TP pilot was filmed) and Twin Peaks, CA (where Lynch is 
rumoured to have some land), both of which have grisly murders in their 
past.

   3. Harry S. Truman: Not only in reference to the former U.S. president. 
The name of the man who lived near Spirit Lake under Mt. St. Helens and 
refused to move from his home despite the warning of volcanic eruption was 
named Harry Truman, as well (JS).
   
   4. The name "Laura": In the 1944 movie Laura, a girl named Laura is 
killed, only to turn up as someone else. Also in the film, the villian's name 
is Waldo (!) Lydecker (!!), and a gun is hidden in a clock, a la the poker 
chip from One Eyed Jacks. As well, in a coincidence David Lynch would 
probably shrug off, the film starred Dana Andrews, whose initials bear a 
resemblance to TP's own Dana Ashbrook. A Laura Palmer is credited with 
writing a piece on the fall of Saigon for Rolling Stone. Also, note possible 
connection with Laura Dern. 

   5. Andy the crying deputy: In an (early 1990) arc of Wiseguy revolving 
around a murder in a small lumber town, the police officer that found the 
body cried upon its discovery. It was later revealed that the officer himself 
was the culprit. (This is probably not a coincidence. The plot of the TP pilot 
was well-known within TV circles. Further proof: the town's name was 
"Lynchboro"). Last thing on this: the Globe tabloid reported a week before 
2006 that Andy killed Laura and was going to murder Lucy, who was planning 
to have an abortion.

   6. Leland Palmer: There are two very small (pop.30 and 25 in 1963) 
towns in Washingron State named Leland and Palmer (DGP). As well, an 
actor named Leland Palmer starred in Bob Fosse's All That Jazz. (LTC).

   7. The song Bobby (and much later James) plays on the jukebox is from 
the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial Symphony. It's called "I'm Hurt Bad".

   8. Ronette on the railroad tracks: Possible redux of Isabella 
Rosselini's nude wandering in Blue Velvet.
   
   9.  James The Biker: In an Interview interview, James Marshall said 
that David Lynch actually told him to think of James Dean while acting.
   
   10. Nadine's oneeye:  Numerous references, too many to list, but 
probably the one that applies here is the character on "Days Of Our Lives". 
(Actually, The character on "DOOL" is a hardened, tough male loner, but 
Nadine does exhibit some tough characteristics, don't you think?)

   11. Dale Cooper: Dale's middle name is Bartholomew, marking him D.B. 
cooper, a la the famous skyjacker. Kyle MacLachlan's performance is said to 
have been inspired by Lynch himself.

   12. The OAM: The most famous example of a one-armed man is, of 
course, the killer in the Fugitive. On that show, Richard Kimble's pursuant 
was named Phillip Gerard.

   13. The flickering lights: Apparently an actual hospital goofup, Lynch 
liked it so much he decided to flicker the lights himself. However, the 
lights-flickering motif was prevalent in Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and even 
Orson Welles' Citizen Kane. As well, a script purported to be the first draft
has a mention of this.

   14. The videotape: Numerous, including Sex Lies and Videotape.

   15. The reflection in Laura's eye: used on a soap opera in the summer 
of 1990, don't know which one. (This is, of course, an homage, rather than an 
influence).

   16. The fallen deerhead: The first of many possible references to 
Fawlty Towers, which of course also featured a hotel with a harried owner 
(DGP). Yet it was a moose head in the Fawlty Towers episode(RH). (However, 
DP notes that the deerhead was just discovered that way by Lynch, which sounds
at least a little more plausible)

   17. "Fire, Walk With Me". Fire, is of course, one of the most enduring
symbols in all religions and mythologies, but a few instances that are 
relevant to TP: Lynch's own use of fire in other works (Blue Velvet, Wild At
 Heart) as passion or danger, and the relgious rites of the druids. The druids 
held wood, mistletoe (which is a parasitic plant), and fire as religious rites. 
This suggests ties with TP in terms of the spirits trapped in wood, 
BOB-as-a-parasite, and BOB-as-fire.

   18. The Log Lady: According to the Rolling Stone Interview with Lynch, 
The Log Lady predates Twin Peaks; Lynch was planning an earlier series 
with Catherine Coulson starring as the Log Lady. 
    
   19. "Falling"/"The Nightingale": The first of a few Julee Cruise 
numbers spliced into the action. 

(From 1001) 
   
   20.  "Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys": An obsession shared by 
Cooper, Lynch, and Frost, who wrote a script for Goddess, a Monroe movie 
that was to be directed by Lynch.

(From 1002)

   21.  Ben & Jerry: Twin Peak's largest food freaks share their names 
with the allPnatural icePcream merchants. 

   22. OnePEyed Jack's: another crude sexual reference, fully explained  
by Bobby Peru in "Wild At Heart". Also, the Western with Marlon Brando.

   23. Horne's Sonnet: Shakespeare, Sonnet No. 18

   24. The Dream: Mark Frost has said that the dream imagery (including 
the owls) come from his own dreams. The tone and style, however, is pure 
Lynch. As commented in the newsgroup before, Lynch is known for his 
strange pauses and lags in action at inopportune times. this dates back to
"Eraserhead", which featured many strange, quiet moments. Cooper's 
reaction shots hearken back to that film and Jack Nance's lack of emotion. 

   25. BOB: The name "Bob" is a source of constant commentary. Lynch is 
well known for his daily sojurns to Bob's Big Boy.The recently-published Bob 
Book characterizes "Bob" as a generally benevolent guy, although it 
acknowledges the evil BOB. Among notable BobsI A "Bob" is thanked on Julee 
Cruise's Floating Into The Night LP; There is a church of Bob, a.k.a. the 
Church of the Subgenius; Drugstore Cowboy, which  stars Matt Dillon as a 
junkie named Bob, also features both Heather (Annie) Graham (as Nadine!!) 
and Grace Zabriskie (as Bob's mother!!) in its cast, finally, there 
is Bob Barker, the game-show host who decided to stop dying his hair and 
let it turn naturally white (!!).  Also, in Amherst, Nova Scotia at the
turn of the 19th century, a young girl named Esther Cox was legendary for 
her claims of disturbances by a poltergeist (one that set fire to her barn) 
that she called Bob.

   26. The Little Man From Another Place: In Nicholas Roeg's Don't Look 
Now, Donald Sutherland (grieving over the death of his daughter) pursues a 
malevolent dwarf in a red suit. As well, his wife is named Laura, and the 
movie's film editor, Graeme Clifford, directed an episode of TP (2005)

   27. Venus and Saturn: The statue (presumably of Venus) and the model 
of Saturn in the dream sequence may refer to the myth of Saturn, who killed 
his children. However, Venus was the daughter of Jupiter, not Saturn. It has 
been suggested (by RJG) that BOB=Saturn=bad god, Leland=Jupiter=good god, 
Laura=Venus=daughter of good god. Also, BOB refers to his victim's as his 
children, therefore making  "Jupiter",the son of "Saturn" as well as the 
father of "Venus"

   28. Talking backwards: apparently a talent known to Michael 
Anderson, which was apprently taught to the rest of the actors in the red 
room scenes. 

   29. The floor in the dream sequence was seen in Eraserhead.The red
drapes are reminiscent of the red curtains used in the titles to the biblical 
epic movie The Robe. This may have also inspired the blue velvet curtains 
used in the opening titles of Blue Velvet.

(From 1003)
   
   30.  Madeleine Ferguson: A reference to Vertigo, in which Judy (Kim Novak) 
posed as the "dead" Madeleine. As well, Jimmy Stewart's character was named 
Scottie Ferguson, giving Madeleine her surname. In Vertigo, Scottie makes Judy 
dye her hair blonde to look like Madeleine, a la James making Maddy up like 
Laura to catch the killer.)  One scene in this movie, in which Scottie is
momentarily confused as to whether he is with Judy or Madeleine, shows this by 
having the room spin around them as they embrace, as with Leland/BOB's death 
hold on Maddy.The other, fairly _obvious_ reference is probably the only 
instance of "identical cousins", namely the main characters from "The Patty Duke
 Show".


   31. "Johnny doesn't know what day it is": A reference, no doubt, to the 
Who's epic "Tommy". Perhaps written in anticipation of a storyline where 
Johnny is revealed as a savant? 

   32. The Bookhouse: There's a posssible connection with a native god 
named Bukwus or Bukus(RJG), or even the Roman god Bacchus (JP).If anybody 
has anything more to add, please give me a shout.

   33. The dream soul: has anybody with a knowledge of Blackfoot 
culture been able to trace this legend? I'm not doubting its existence, but 
would like to know more. 

(From 1004)
   
   34. Jacoby's sunglasses: Count Floyd on SCTV sported Ray-Ban 
Wayfarer versions of the same glasses, suitable for 3-D viewing. However,
3-D glasses are Blue-Red, while Jacoby's glasses are Red-Blue. Perhaps the
Dr. can "see deeper" into people with his glasses on.

   35. Gordon Cole: A minor character in BIlly Wilder's Sunset 
Boulevard, one of David Lynch's all-time favourite movies. (CN and DGP)

    36. Phillip Michael Gerard: See note # 12.

   37. Bob Lydecker: See note #4.

   38. Waldo: See note #4. Also, "The Avengers" had an episode that hinged 
on a talking bird or group of talking birds.

   39. Hank's Domino: I'm not sure about this one; any suggestions? 

   40. Owls: The first sighting of an owl in TP was in 1004, when Donna 
and James went to where they had buried the necklace. An owl hooted above, 
startling the two. There have been brief mentions in this newsgroup of the 
fact that according to Whitley Streiber's "Communion", the experience of being 
abducted by aliens (or whatever) is often erased by the "covering" memory 
of a giant owl.


(From 1005)

   41. ITL: While Hank reunites with Norma, Shelly is watching ITL. 
Montana is attacking Chet, and Jared is tied up  with a blue sash in his 
mouth, a la Blue Velvet.

   42. "The Third Man": A possible reference to the movie The Third Man, 
in which the "third man" (seen carrying off a dead body) turns out to be the 
"victim" himself, thus causing some to believe that Laura was not really 
dead, and disguised as Maddy.

   43. "Into The Night": See note #19.

(From 1006)

   44. Cooper's whistling: The tune Cooper blows on his whistle is the flying 
saucer's tone in Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. Possible foreshadowing of 
the alien stuff?

   45. Audrey spying on Battis through the slats in the closet door: Kyle 
MacLachlan did the same thing in Blue Velvet.

   
   46. Mr. Neff (Catherine Martell's insurance salesman): A reference to 
Walter Neff, an insurance salesman in Billy Wilder's RDouble IndemnityS. 
(CN)

   47. Barney and Fred (Coop and Ed's secret IDs): 'nuff said.

   48. Hester Prynn: As Blackie notes, the woman in "The Scarlet Letter".
   
   49. The cherry stem: TP writer Harley Peyton once claimed that his 
ex-girlfriend could actually do this.
    
(From 1007)

   50. Queen of Diamonds: The card that triggered Raymond Shaw 
(Laurence Harvey) to kill in The Manchurian candidate. At one point, Rosie 
(Janet Leigh) wore a large version of the card at a costume party. 

   51. "Such stuff as dreams are made of": More Shakespeare,from The Tempest,
Ac IV, Sc I, line 155. The speaker, Prospero, has just presented a play in which all the
actors were spirits (which he had the power to command) and he had become so
caught up in it that he almost forgot that some spirits were plotting to kill
him. He tells the spirit actors to disperse and makes a very famous speech in 
which he says that, just as the spirits disappear, so is human life and all the
world transitory. It goes on very poetically for a number of lines and ends
with: "We are such stuff as dreams are made on; and our little life is rounded
with a sleep." (BM) Actually, this is much more lyrical than its actual use in 
Twin Peaks: the speaker is Ben Horne, just before his tryst with the "new girl".
Just another sign of Horne's pretensiousness, I guess (DGP).

   52."Who Shot Agent Cooper?": Mark Frost has been quoted as saying 
"We were poking a little bit of fun at the 'Who shot J.R.' syndrome. Of course, 
he's wearing a bulletproof vest. I wasn't trying to present a mystery."

SEASON TWO

(from 2001) 

   53. The Waiter (a.k.a. Senor Droolcup): Another example of Lynch's 
tendency towards long, drawn-out, slooooow scenes. The Dell Mibbler scene 
is far more excruciating example of this, as noted by many 
netters. These scenes are especially agonizing at the tensest cliff-hanger 
moments, like right here.
   
   54. The Giant: Not entirely sure. Giants are common in most 
mythologies, but does anybody know the exact source of this giant?  Lynch 
himself said that Carel Struycken was cast as the Giant just because he saw 
him one day (DP). My own theory is that since Michael Anderson, the actor 
who plays the LMFAP, was in jail for drug posession at the time of the 
filming of 2000, the Giant was cast to replace him (DGP). However, I have 
been wrong before.

   55. "A man in a smiling bag": A product of Lynch's days in Philadelphia, 
where he lived near a morgue. 

   56. The reporter at the site of the burnt sawmill is Mark Frost in an 
uncredited role.

   57. Leland's white hair: See note #25.

(From 2002)

   58. When Shelly and Bobby are parked in Major Briggs' Lincoln, the 
"Audrey's Dance" music is playing. Bobby tells Shelly to change the station, 
and the music abruptly stops, switching to a blues song. A similar trick was 
used in 1001, and may be a cinematic allusion to Diva (1982), where the 
"incidental" music became part of the foreground action.

   59. Major Briggs' space transmissions: A few may recall the series 
Project: UFO from the late '70s (around the time of Close Encounters), which 
I believe was based on Project Bluebook.

   60. "Just You And I": an article in British GQ suggested that TP is an 
attempt to combine every TV series from the past. In that case, James' song 
near the end of the show may be an homage to Rick Nelson's songs at the end 
of the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet. Or maybe not.

(From 2003)
   
   61. "She's ready for her close-up now": A paraphrasing of 
Gloria Swanson's most famous line in "Sunset Boulevard" (see note #35): 
"I'm ready for my close-up now, Mr. DeMille." (CN)

(From 2004)

   62. Judge Sternwood: The character who hires Philip Marlowe in "The 
Big Sleep" is named General Sternwood (CN).
   
   63. Darryl Lodwick: An overzealous prosecutor in "Anatomy of A 
Murder" is named Mitchell Lodwick.

(From 2005) 

   64. Mr. Racine (Leo's Lawyer): A reference to Lawrence Kasdan's "Body 
Heat" in which William Hurt plays a seedy lawyer in a movie inspired by 
"Double Indemnity" (See note #46) (CN). (Also,  Racine -in TP- is played by 
Van Dyke Parks, the avante-garde composer-arranger who worked with 
Beach Boy Brian Wilson (DGP))

(From 2006) 

   65. "Getting To Know You": Rodgers and Hammerstein, from "The King 
And I" 

(From 2007)

   66. "Rockin' Back Inside My Heart"/"The World Spins": See note # 19.

   67. The White Horse: Death, or Heroin, for sure, but probably not Troy, 
Laura Palmer's pony. According to the secret diary, Troy was brown or reddish-
brown.

(From 2008)

   68. "Surrey With The Fringe On Top": More Rodgers and Hammerstein, 
this time from "Oklahoma!"
   
(From 2009)
   
   69. "Leland, the time has come for you to seek the path.": The "clear 
light" is  constantly referred to as the first step in the ascension to a life-
after-death, and is common to many religions. However, the "void and 
cloudless sky" seems to be from the Tibetan Book Of The Dead.

   70. "There's more in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in 
our philosphy": Hamlet (ac I:sc V, lines 166-167) in response to the 
discovery of his father's ghost. In this case, Cooper might not be the Hamlet,
but Truman is definitely the bewildered Horatio.

(From 2010)

   71. "Waldorf Salad": This may be stretching a bit, but I honestly 
believe this is a reference (as before; see note #16) to Fawlty Towers, 
which based a whole episode on Basil not knowing what this was.

   72. Mountie King: King was the name of Sergeant Preston's dog. 

   73. The White Lodge: I am grateful to Jerry Boyajian 
for the explanation of the White Lodge. Apparently, in "The Devil's Guard" 
(a.k.a. "Ramsden") (by Talbot Mundy?), the White Lodge is a secret order that 
tries to create good, of which the Dalai Lama is a member. (I am also grateful 
to Janet M. Swisher for printing this fact in "Twin Peaks Frequently Answered 
Questions").

(From 2011)

   74. The Black Lodge/"The Dweller On The Threshold": When I first saw 
this episode, I immediately thought of the "Mirror, Mirror" episode of Star 
Trek. In keeping with the theory that TP=every bit of pop culture ever made 
(see note #60), and given Cooper's pure goodness, an "evil Cooper" sequence 
was inevitable.

   75. Roger Hardy at the RR: The only purpose of this scene is, of course, 
a MOD SQUAD REUNION!!! (sort of; apparently Michael Cole wasn't available 
for Mountie King or some other such role).   Not a true reference, but I wanted 
to mention it.

   76. James and Evelyn Marsh: I don't know what other people on the 
network thought of this arc (most probably hated it), but I liked it, in a 
strange way.  To my mind, the sequence resembled nothing so much as a 
James Dean movie, thus bringing James' character to its logical fruition. The 
dialogue in these scenes ("It's not the bike, it's just where it can take me... 
Sometimes I just go down the highway blind"-Loved it! pure camp.) seemed 
stilted and contrived on purpose. The existentially-depressed-James may 
have gotten a little annoying, but I thought it wasn't nearly as bad as some 
people did.

   77. "Now is the winter of our discontent...": The first lines from 
Shakespeare's Richard III, which certainly aptly describes Ben's situation.

(From 2012)
   
   78. Nicky-as-the-devil: (see note #60) In this case, "The Omen."

   79."O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she..." Romeo
and Juliet, Ac I: Sc V, lines 46-49.

(From 2013)

   80. The Mark: Major Briggs' tattoo resembles (as many have pointed 
out) a variation on the radiation symbol.

   81. Spaceships and Owls: See note #40.

   82. "The Dorritt Home For Boys": The Dickensian nature of the "Little 
Nicky" plot (Orphans, lost lineage,the revelation of hidden origins, 
misfortune and serendipity in general) naturally calls for a suitably 
Dickensian name for the orphanage. 

   83. Ben's Civil War fantasy: Dr. Jacoby's explanation of Ben's delusion 
(re-enacting a failure to fight against his own inadeqacies) seems plausible, 
but why the Civil War? Ben had never before shown any sign of being a Civil 
War buff (as well, doesn't it seem especially strange that the owner of the 
*Great Northern* would identify with the South? -just kidding). However, 
one could see how Ben -a cocky, no-holds-barred maverick- could see some 
of himself in the Confederates (although not neccesarily Robert E. Lee). Of 
other interest is that immediately after Ben's fantasy ends, he is "rescued" 
by John Justice Wheeler -a possible reference to a Confederate cavalry 
general named Joseph Wheeler. As well,  Frost and Lynch's interest in the 
Civil War may  have been piqued by the PBS series (DGP). Another probable TP
connection is the war between Ben (the South) and Jean Renault (the North), who
has taken over OEJs. (RH)

(From 2014)

   84. "Wine comes in at the mouth": Yeats, as Pete notes. Although
Pete uses it because it's the only toast he knows (other than a limerick), the 
connection with Yeats suggests Pete's possible spiritual (indeed, mystical) 
nature, which has only rarely been touched upon.   

   85. The Black Pawn (No.1): The chess references  brought to my mind 
not Alice In Wonderland or somesuch, but The Avengers, both for the 
chessboard opening and an episode in which people were dispatched in ways 
that were made to resemble board games, e.g. a man killed by snakebite 
after climbing a ladder- Snakes and Ladders. Actually, the giant Pawn is a 
better example of this.      
 
(From 2015)

    86. The bus drivers listening to opera: A possible Ralph Kramden 
reference? I thought that this episode of TP (directed by Diane Keaton) had 
some bad lapses in TP's sensibility. There were times (the above scene and 
the deputies leaving the Marshes in strict formation) where Keaton did stuff 
purely for style. In the other episodes, the "strange" or stylized elements in 
scenes (the dwarf, the spotlights, BOB, the Giant) were "explained", not just 
there for show. Does anybody else agree?
   
   87. The wooden wind instrument that We is always playing and "wacking"
folks with is reminiscent of Kung Fu -- David Carradine (Caine) did similar 
things with his flute and his other personal articles in that series, no? 
(LDZ)

   88. Springfield: Earle's first target (to form the "C" -for "Cooper" or 
"Caroline") is Homer Simpson's hometown.

(From 2016)

   89. John Justice Wheeler: See note #83. Also, there is a John Wheeler 
who was a proponent of the multiple universes interpretation of Quantum Theory.

   90. "See the mountains kiss high heaven", etc.: Shelley, from "Love's 
Philosophy", Verse II. What makes me wonder is that the poem doesn't seem 
like something Coop would chose. Maybe he is more romantic than I thought, 
although my impression from both the show and the Autobiography is that 
Coop is not someone as interested in poetry (after all, he got a C from April) 
as he is in arcana and mysteries.

(From 2017)

   91. Margaret's Mark: The tattoo on the Log Lady is, IMHO, the Twin Peaks.

   92. Dr. Craig: A possible nudge at St. Elsewhere?
   
   93. Miss Twin Peaks: "On the set of the pilot, the makeup artist 
always called me Miss Twin Peaks. 'C'mere, Miss Twin Peaks!'": Sherilyn Fenn 
from "Babes In The Woods" (the "Women Of Twin Peaks" article in Rolling 
Stone, October 4, 1990).  Of course, Audrey ends up being the most reluctant 
to enter the contest.

(From 2018)

     94. Spelunking: In the obligatory TP sketch during the Kyle 
MachLachlan episode of Saturday Night Live, Coop described to Truman a dream in 
which a hairless mouse sang a songs about caves, and Coop said "Harry, tonight 
we're going to do a little spelunking." This CAN'T be a coincidence!

(From 2019)

   95. The Black Pawn (No. 2) See note # 85.

(From 2020) 

   96. The Dugpas: The dugpas were mentioned in "The Devil's Guard (aka
Ramsden)" Briefly, there was a sect of Tibetan buddhism called Dugpas that 
were black magicians. Sexual excesses and murder were two characteristics of 
their practise. Their chief opponents were the sect headed by the Dalai Lama.

   97. "When Jupiter and Saturn meet, they will receive you": Most people 
now take this to be an astronomical/astrological reference, as Cooper later 
deduces.

   98. "When Jupiter and Saturn meet, Oh what a crop of mummy wheat": 
Yeats, who was _very_ interested in the occult, mythology, and good and 
evil. In the Roman system of gods, Jupiter (good), as shown before, was the 
son of Saturn (evil), and symbolizes the duel between Leland and Bob, as 
well as Cooper and BOB. another thing to note is that Yeats' "gyres" (the two 
spirals representing the two natures of mankind and nature) resemble twin peaks. 
Yeats' take on mythology  informs much of the last episode, and may explain the 
cyclical nature of life in Twin Peaks.

   99. Miss Twin Peaks/The Taking Of The Queen: As a netter mentioned 
(please write with your name so you can be credited properly!) the floor at 
the roadhouse in the contest scenes resmbles a chess- or checker-board.

   100. Glastonberry Grove: The coincidental name shared with the 
legendary burial place of King Arthur (sort of: It's really Glastonbury) has 
had many run off in search of possible Fisher-King connections. I wonder... 
Most have proven a little tenuous, although some connections have been 
made: Andy seems to be set up as a Parsifal archetype (DGP). A good analogy
is WE::King Arthur, Caroline/Annie::Guinivere, Coop::SIr Lancelot (RH)
My own personal knowledge of Arthurian legend only goes as far as the Howard 
Pyle illustrated children's books and "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", but I 
_do_ like the idea of the cup-of-coffee-as-holy grail. The idea of "a child 
without a father" suggests to me Donna, or Lucy's baby, or even Little Nicky 
(he has to serve *some* purpose!). If anyone has more to add, please enter 
it.(DGP)

   101. The circle of sycamore trees: In the Tibetan book Of The Dead, 
according to Joseph Campbell, sycamore trees are connected with the Egyptian 
(Heliopolitan?) goddess Nut. As well, the twelve-trees/twelve-candles (twelve 
rooms?) connection is well noted. The circle was a sacred symbol in the 
religion of the druids (see note #17).

   102. The bank vault and Dell: See note #53.

   103. Chained Audrey: Another Avengers reference? (See note #85) (It 
seems to me that Emma Peel ended up shackled to objects quite a bit.) 

   104. Venus De Milo: Noth the planet/goddess (see note #27) and also 
"the gal with no arms. The name was Milo": GC in 2018. 
   
   105. "Doppelganger": It seemed to me to be a squaredance call, sort of 
like "change partners." "Doppelgaenger" has been translated from the German 
"Doppel" -Double-"Gaenger"-Goer. This has been interpreted as meaning both 
a shape-changer or a true double - a negative image of oneself that will 
destroy its counterpart - a la antimatter. This certainly agrees with the 
"imperfect courage" that Hawk mentioned. However, I see the doppelgangers as 
being both -- the Caroline-Annie-Shadow-Laura wraith could have all been Windom 
Earle, but the Shadow-Cooper (Doppelcooper?) was definitely a negative image of 
Cooper. Personally, I still think that this was the inevitable 
reference/homage/parody of "Mirror, Mirror" (See notes # 60 & #74).(DGP)  One 
definition of doppelgaenger (and the earliest on record) is "one who has seen
himself". Such an experience was taken as an ill omen, namely one of impending 
death.(RH)


   106. On the subject of classical allegories, how come 
noone (except the Toronto Globe and Mail) has mentioned "Faust"? Dale gave up 
his soul, right? For Annie, right? Sounds like a bargain with Mephistopheles 
to me. My personal knowledge of Faust gave me the impression that Faust made his
deal with the devil for the love a woman. (DGP) However, BM disagrees, although
she admits that Windom Earle was trying to play Mephistopheles, and was punished
gravely for his overstepping of bounds.

   107. "How's Annie?": The ending was, of course, guessed to a 
reasonable degree, by netter Daniel Mittleman, who should probably get 
some kind of award. 


Send contributions, suggestions, etc. either by email to 
<platt@ccu.umantioba.ca> or through the network.

Dave Platt Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
   "Secrets are dangerous things, Audrey" -Dale Cooper

On the numerous postings concerning inane subplots:
   I would have to agree with Barb Miller on Norma's mother (the idea of the 
devouring mother versus the nourishing daughter). Another way of interpreting 
this is that Vivian (Norma's mother) represents a cerebral, critical treatment
of food, while Nadine represents an emotional, natural treatment of food. 
Vivian's view of food has no room for "local color", which is Norma's whole life.
The childless Norma serves as surrogate mother not only to Shelly but to whoever
walks into the RR. Another interpretation of this is that Vivian represents all 
media, who at first nurtured and encouraged Norma (representing TP as a show), 
only to cut her (TP) down with criticism.  A strange theory, I'll admit, but 
remember this: the conclusion of the Vivian/Norma sub-plot coincided with the 
conclusion of the WKLP storyline, and the inevitable disappointment expressed by
the critics.

   The Nadine sub-plot was, as said before, tragic and poignant beneath the 
humour. Nadine is the most Lynchian of all the characters on TP, because you 
never knew whether to laugh or cry. I thought the comic relief segments were a
perfect counterpoint to the sad story of Ed and Norma, forced to live for twenty
years with "weeks full of Mondays".  Anyone who can't feel just a bit of pain at 
the sight of Nadine, reverted back to her original state, and the repurcussions 
for Ed and Norma's happiness, is way too cynical.

   Finally, I found the JJ Wheeler sub-plot to be integral to the story of 
Audrey Horne as a whole.  Think of it: a bored rich girl living in the shadow of 
Laura Palmer (moreso than Donna), cursed with a sleazebag dad, she seeks any 
escape from the town.  When it finally comes in the form of Cooper, a handsome, 
virtuous stranger (the antithesis of her father), he rejects her out of fear of
hurting her (his problem is he's RperfectS).  Her next "romance" is with Bobby, a 
sleazy go-getter (a wanna-be version of her father) who she justly rejects,
ending up with John Justice Wheeler. Wheeler represents a change in Audrey: 
while he is still an outsider, he has ties to her past and is passionate towards 
the environment. At the same time, Audrey is able to help with her father's 
rebirth as a "good person". The environmental theme allows Audrey to love her 
home, and reject escape. This is shown by her growing friendship with Pete, 
whose link to the land is totally natural. Finally, when Audrey is able to break
free of all this emotional baggage and make a statement of her own, she is blown
to bits at the tender age of 18. End of story. 

  ...Therefore, I think JJ Wheeler was absolutely neccessary to the tragic tale
of Audrey Horne. 

(BTW, does anybody else agree with me that Audrey's probable death bookends the
series with that of Laura Palmer's? It makes me think that TP is really, finally
<sniff> over).

Dave Platt Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
   "Secrets are dangerous things, Audrey"- Dale Cooper

In article <1991Jul30.200118.10050@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, grljo@next1.ulowell.edu (John Owen) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Twin Peaks is getting old.  The new show to talk about is Northern Exposure.
> > Anyone else agree?

Not to belittle Northern Exposure, for it is a fine show, worth talking
about (preferably in a clean place, reasonably priced), but as long as the
fate of BOB is unresolved, there will always be Twin Peaks talk.

> > And who is the incredibly beautiful woman that plays the character of Maggie?

Regarding this, on the other hand, I cannot argue

TRW

In article <y57H61w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas) writes:

< As a film student attending the University of British Columbia, I enjoyed 
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                 ^^^^^^^
<the atmosphere created by Lynch and Frost, 

Is there supposed to be a connection?

< Regarding the "red room" incident in Twin Peaks which a lot of people 
<couldn't figure out, take a look at the black and white zigzag floor. The 
<same floor can be found in the apartment bulding in Eraserhead.

And in the Overlook Hotel.  So?  And it's not black and white.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

I recently started watching TWIN PEAKS because I'm living in Japan and
they started selling its videos just recently.  Do you guys happen to
have some kind of list of names who show up in the program?  I'm sure
it'll help me greatly because I'm already somewhat confused.

           Yasuro KAWATA
        yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Maekawa Laboratory, Department of Information Science, 
Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN

We have a sad story to tell from the dark depths of New Zealand.
Once upon a time, we too were avid _Twin Peaks_ fans. Unfortunately we
come from a country where the powers that be thought that _Twin Peaks_
died with Leyland Palmer. Alas we have to report that _Twin Peaks_ has
been cut from New Zealand screens. And you think you`ve had it hard over
there!


SAVE TWIN PEAKS......SAVE TWIN PEAKS....SAVE TWIN PEAKS.

In article <1991Jul30.005901.7186@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ltc19205@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lois T Casaleggi) writes:
> >as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
> >
> >
>> >>I am, through /\Twin Peaks/\ and other film from David
>> >>Lynch, somewhat familiar with the work of Angelo Badalamenti.  I
>> >>have the soundtrack to /\Twin Peaks/\, as well as _Floating Into
>> >>The Night_ and _Industrial Symphony No.1_.  I am impressed with
>> >>the work of Mr. Badalamenti.
> >
> >FYI: Angelo also did the music for the movie Cousins (Isabella 
> >Rosellenni, Ted Danson, William L. Petersen, Sean Young).  Rather
> >a change of pace from his Lynch works but still good.
> >

Badalamenti also did the music for the film _Parents_, starring Randy Quaid
et alia. The film was above average (with one _really_ scary dream
sequence); the music was, of course, great.

--
Scott Maxwell (CSMAXWEL@ECUVM1.BITNET or Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu)
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30

In article <55287@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >
> >Asger, you're not alone.  That ending depressed me for several weeks.  Really.
> >Amazing that a television program could have that strong an affect on one.
> >
PPOSSIBLE SPOILERS IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE FINAL EPISODE

Absolutely True! I watched the final episode with a girl I had 
recently broken up with, (kind of a reunion?).  We figured we would
talk afterwards.

We sat for a while in stunned silence.  We talked alittle, but soon
said our good nights.  We each agreed later that we were shaken beyond
words.

I was strongly depressed all week.  I was mildly depressed for several.


> >That disappointment with the course of the plot and the fate of the
> >characters also, I believe, contributed to many folks' opinion of the
> >show itself....

Also true!  I found myself hating Lynch after this episode.  But then
I hated him during "Eraserhead" as well.


> >Two things to remember, that can help:  First of all, the fact that the
> >show could affect you that strongly means that it was ultimately pretty well
> >written and powerfully presented; your original faith and pleasure in the
> >show really was warranted.  Secondly, and probably the greatest relief for
> >me, is to really understand that the ending we saw was never intended to be
> >the ultimate conclusion of the series; ....

This may make you feel better, but I think it allows you to deny the
unsettling idea that the end of TP reminds us of:  YOU TOO can 
die, or loose it all, even your soul.  Even if you're one of the
good guys.  Being good, or nice, or even "right" gives you no
protection at all in and of itself. If you screw up, and the
stakes are high enough, you may not get a second shot.

Please, no flames about whether this idea is true or not, 
("tomorrow's always another day..." and all that) the
point is, there's not a man or woman on the planet who is not
afraid that it's true.  There's not a man or woman who doesn't
at least sometimes fear that he or she hasn't ALREADY blown it.

Even Agent Coop can blow it.  And he may not get another chance.  


> >-- 
> >-larryy@apple.com
> >
> >"You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple,
> >and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'."
> >                        -  Edmund Blackadder

^^^^^^Write me down as another vote for the best quote! Who is this
Blackadder fellow?

-- =============A New Yorker's Signature.... Rude and to the point================= Bill Moss "all my opinions are probably someone else's anyway..." My work addresses: billm@bear.com ursa!billm ... or (on my free time): billm@jpr.com jpradley!billm

In article <1991Jul30.112516.54614@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, cmcghee@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes...

} I think that a Twin Peaks video library would definitely be a good thing.

It certainly would, but it would have to be officially sanctioned and
licensed by Lynch/Frost Productions and Aaron Spelling Entertainment.

} What about the copyright laws?  Does anyone know?

The plan as proposed is still a violation of copyright laws. It doesn't
matter whether or not any profit is made from the copying of tapes.

"Copyright" is exactly that -- *the right to copy*. The copyright holder
is given the right to control the duplication and distribution of his
property.

Even if you refrained from charging money for making copies, the fact
is that the owner of the work isn't making any money from the duplication
of that work, either.

FCC regulations state that it is permissable for a recording to be made
of the broadcast signal, as long as the recording is made for private use
only. That regulation only holds for recording an off-air (or off-cable)
broadcast, and does not grant permission to make duplicate copies of
the recording.

-- "Right now it's only a notion, but I think I can get money and make it into a concept, and then later turn it into an idea." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

I'm posting this for Ed Nomura in L.A., "curator"
of the Twin Peaks timeline.  Although he is unable
to post from his summer address, he's not out 
of touch:

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the status of the ^TP^ movie
so I gave Lynch/Frost Productions a call today.  The lady I spoke to said:

1)  The movie is on.  It is in pre-production, but she didn't know the
    start date of filming.
2)  Kyle will be in it.

The lady tried to assure me about #2, but she sounded just a little bit unsure.
Maybe he's just holding out for money?  *8^)


Edwin Nomura
enomura@ucsd.edu

-- Ed Hughes, SAS Institute |"I don't sing. Cary, NC | I don't dance. | I don't like to be around | people who do." | --David Letterman

Mine would have to be the sequence after Cooper got shot.  The waiter not
seemingly noticing that a man has been shot.  Just business as usual.  This had
me on the floor laughing.  And then the Giant gives Coop 3 clues.  I also liked
Cooper telling Diane what he'd like to do with his life, especially "make love
to a beautiful woman whom I have genuine affection for."  And also talking
about keeping fear out of his mind.  This seems to forsee the rest of the
season.  He got his wish for love and found Annie.  He *seemed* to have lost
the battle with fear at the end.  I don't know, though.  It *was* a
cliffhanger.  He did do it to save Annie.  I imagine he may be inside
resisting.  Major Briggs was given the message by Sarah Palmer and Dr. Jacoby.
At first, he may think that all is alright when he finds that Cooper survived
his Black Lodge journey.  But eventually, he is bound to know that something is
amiss.  I hope.  No one seemed to suspect Leland's insanity, but then they
thought his daughter's death drove him mad.

    Phil

In article <9107292147.AA25371@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> >
> >I am, through /\Twin Peaks/\ and other film from David
> >Lynch, somewhat familiar with the work of Angelo Badalamenti.  I
> >have the soundtrack to /\Twin Peaks/\, as well as _Floating Into
> >The Night_ and _Industrial Symphony No.1_.  I am impressed with
> >the work of Mr. Badalamenti.
> >
> >I have seen Wild At Heart, but I do not remember much
> >about the music.  Would anyone like to give me a critique of the
> >musical soundtrack of _Wild At Heart_ and, perhaps, compare it
> >to the other works which I mentioned above?

I have the beast in question.  The soundtrack is maybe only half
Badalamenti stuff (maybe less).  There's a bunch of other stuff on there,
including some lame speed metal band, but on the positive side including
"Wicked Game" by Chris Isaac.  This was way before the song became a hit,
and I liked it when I heard it on here.  The Badalamenti stuff is pretty
cool.  Doesn't really compare to the three things you mentioned above, but
not bad.  There's one song that sounds a little Peaksish, complete with
finger-snapping.  Most of the A. B. stuff on the album is various versions
of an okay song called "Dark Spanish Sky" or something.  Anyway, I guess
I recommend it, but you'll be disappointed if you're expecting the quality
of the three works you mentioned.

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| Dan Harkless                | "The sore in my soul / The mark in my heart   |
| dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |  Her acid rain..." - F242, Tragedy >For You<  |
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In article <1991Jul30.002916.12767@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KAWATA Yasuro) writes:
> >
> >I am a Japanese living in Tokyo, JAPAN.  I've been wondering why you
> >guys are so crazy about `Twin Peaks' so I finally went to a video
> >rental shop and rented a video which has the first three episodes of
> >the program.
> >
> >NOW I KNOW THE REASON.... NO WONDER....

Ii desu ne, Kawata-san!

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| Dan Harkless                | "The sore in my soul / The mark in my heart   |
| dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |  Her acid rain..." - F242, Tragedy >For You<  |
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In article <1991Jul31.125834.15540@unx.sas.com> saseph@holst.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes) writes:
> >I'm posting this for Ed Nomura in L.A., "curator"
> >of the Twin Peaks timeline.  Although he is unable
> >to post from his summer address, he's not out
> >of touch:
> >
> >There seems to be a lot of confusion about the status of the ^TP^ movie
> >so I gave Lynch/Frost Productions a call today.  The lady I spoke to said:
> >
> >1)  The movie is on.  It is in pre-production, but she didn't know the
> >    start date of filming.
> >2)  Kyle will be in it.
> >
> >The lady tried to assure me about #2, but she sounded just a little bit unsure.
> >Maybe he's just holding out for money?  *8^)

Hmmm, that's strange.  I just called (Wednesday, 7/31 - 9:33 am), and
the guy I talked to said there was still no official word, and that they
didn't know yet.

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| Dan Harkless                | "The sore in my soul / The mark in my heart   |
| dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |  Her acid rain..." - F242, Tragedy >For You<  |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now that it's all over, has anyone worked out the significance (if any) of the
slogan over the veterinary clinic door? It read: 'Aid to the beast incarnate'
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Moss Madden
"TO ME, ALL RELIGION IS      JANET:         JU39@UK.AC.LIVERPOOL
JUST A BUZZING IN THE EARS" INTERNET ETC:  JU39@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
A J P TAYLOR (1990)         UUCP:  ...!MCVAX!UKC!LIVERPOOL.AC.UK!JU39

In article <1991Jul31.010846.17731@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KAWATA Yasuro) writes:
> >
> >I recently started watching TWIN PEAKS because I'm living in Japan and
> >they started selling its videos just recently.  Do you guys happen to
> >have some kind of list of names who show up in the program?  I'm sure
> >it'll help me greatly because I'm already somewhat confused.
> >
> >           Yasuro KAWATA
> >        yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
> >
> >Maekawa Laboratory, Department of Information Science, 
> >Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN


Yasuro, try FTPing to audrey.sait.edu.au where they have an extensive
_Twin_Peaks_ archive.

__Dave

In article <1991Jul31.035506.16009@massey.ac.nz> R.D.Johnson@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Johnson) writes:
> >
> >
> >We have a sad story to tell from the dark depths of New Zealand.
> >Once upon a time, we too were avid _Twin Peaks_ fans. Unfortunately we
> >come from a country where the powers that be thought that _Twin Peaks_
> >died with Leyland Palmer. Alas we have to report that _Twin Peaks_ has
> >been cut from New Zealand screens. And you think you`ve had it hard over
> >there!
> >
> >
> >SAVE TWIN PEAKS......SAVE TWIN PEAKS....SAVE TWIN PEAKS.


RD: That's unfortunate, but the show really went downhill (IMHO) in the
second season anyway.  Look at it this way, the conclusion (if you can call
it that!) was annoying, aggravating, disappointing, and infuriating, so
you've been saved alot of unnecessary distress and even WORSE depression.
Reading ths newsgroup used to be my daily joy, and now that's gone, too.
__Dave

SOB,  SOB,  GASP !!!!!!!!!!

Hi

I need to get my TP tapes in order and I was wondering if anyone could
send me one line synopsis of each episode during the second season (both
seasons if you have it).  I had to tape a few episodes on a different
tape and I didnt write down when they were aired, etc.  I just want to
get them all in order.

I'd really appreciate any help.

Liz Fox

In article <RFPN61w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>
   stevedal@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Dallas) doodled:

> >  
> >  Or if there are any fans of the band, "The Men They Couldn't Hang", do 
> > email me as well.


You asked for it.....

- Chris

"Hanging on a till was God on a dollar bill.." - TMTCH

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Just FYI-

My favorite scene would have to be the one where SADC meets Audrey for the
first time...

             ``As long as those grapfruits ar freshly...squeezed''

-- Via DLG Pro v0.975b

Devin Davidson

One voice chants out between two worlds
FIRE, walk with me

Thanks for everyone's reply about the Twin Peaks video library.  
Since it seems to be illegal, I was wondering about several things.

Would anyone be willing to join me in writing ABC and asking them
to rerun the whole two seasons?  

Would that help?  

How about writing to Lynch/Frost productions and asking them if they
would consider releasing the series on tape?  

How about asking permission from them (L/F) or Aaron Spelling Prod-
uctions to tape episodes for entertainment purposes only?  I worked in
the permissions department at a publishing firm once, and usually 
they were quite generous with copyrights, if asked.

How does one FTP to the audrey.sait.edu.au address I keep hearing
about?  

Does anyone know anything about other James appearances, in movies
or TV?  I happened to like his character and the Evelyn Marsh 
subplot, as well as most of the other subplots people mention,
except the Little Nicky one.  

I really would like to show my boyfriend early TP stuff, since he
never saw any episodes until February of this year.  So I would
love if someone could post the addresses for ABC and Lynch/Frost
productions here, and help me out by writing to them too.  Thanks
a lot again!  

-Colleen

R.D.Johnson@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Johnson) writes:

> >We have a sad story to tell from the dark depths of New Zealand.
> >Once upon a time, we too were avid _Twin Peaks_ fans. Unfortunately we
> >come from a country where the powers that be thought that _Twin Peaks_
> >died with Leyland Palmer. Alas we have to report that _Twin Peaks_ has
> >been cut from New Zealand screens. And you think you`ve had it hard over
> >there!

Unfortunately, in this case the New Zealand "powers that be" are
correct. Twin Peaks did die with Leland Palmer.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610

I tried to send a reply to someone who helped me out, but I don't
think it worked.

So, thanks to mk@anubis.network.com for all the stuff s/he sent me,
and so quickly too!  It was really very thoughtful.

-Colleen

And yet one more Sherilyn Fenn appearance...

"Cheers":  remember the episode where Carla's son wants to get married?
At the end of the episode, his fiancee's cousin comes by to pick them up
and he ends up falling for the cousin.  The cousin is played by none other
than Sherilyn Fenn!  (I had to watch the credis to figure that one out. 
She looks quite different in long hair!)

Alexa Johnson
johnson@tramp.colorado.edu
:wq
.

       Regular readers of this news group may know that Twin Peaks has been
canned in New Zealand a couple of episodes after the death of Leland Palmer in
fact the "final" scene for us was when The Major and Cooper are out camping in
the woods and Cooper walks away from the campfire to take a piss.......
Talk about keeping you hanging.
     
  By the way my favourite scenes have to be the one where Leland throws himself
on the coffin of Laura and the goes up and down up and down etc..Also who could
forget Audrey and the cherry stalk? That must rate as one of the sexiest things
I have seen on TV for some time. What about Leo bleeding on the floor while
watching someone on his TV set bleeding on the floor..?  
   So many great scenes its hard to list them all.

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.

Hey, Peakie Dudes...

I see someone has already written to the a.t.tp to tell you that
the station playing TP has decided to drop it because of "poor
ratings". :-{

TP has (had) a larger following here than you might suspect.  At
Wellington University a large group of devout Lynch followers
have viewed every accessible movie, or publication, ever made by,
or associated, with Mark Frost or David Lych.  The Monty Python
Club, on campus, have assumed responsibility for debating TP
related matters.  My last holiday job was made especially
enjoyable, because a majority of us followed each episode
religously.
When the pilot was shown here, one the city's pubs had a special
TP evening and showed the pilot on big screen TV.  It was just
after the second episode that TV3 announced that TP's ratings had
dropped to a dismal 7% of the viewing audience (With a total
population of about 3.4 mil, possibly upto 238,000 people were
watching).  8/2/91 - I see the figure 94000 being bounced around
now.
 
TV ratings seem to be an american disease, that only really
recently have been adopted here.  With the advent of our THIRD
national TV station (30% owned by NBC) the networks (as they like
to call themselves) compete very aggresively for audience
attention.  Unfortunately for TV3, because it has the weakest
signal coverage (cable is only just arriving! (Yeah, yeah. I know
it sounds third world.)).  Its programmes have to be
exceptionally good.  Even more unfortunate for TV3, is the sad
fact that their programmers just don't seem to be able to buy
and/or air the programmes we Kiwis want to see (I think they
might all be NBC executives who would otherwise have been sent
to Siberia).  And when they do get the right progs, like TP, they
screw it up by canning them early.  Rather self-destructive, I
think.

Mais, c'est la gare.

Anyhow, I honestly didn't write just to moan at everyone and
everything, I promised my little sister that I'd mention
something on the newsgroup for her. 

The Doors movie with Kyle came out here not so long ago, I loved
it so much (the music I mean) that I went started to collect some
of their albums.  Now, I play their greatest hits every time the
computer goes on, (viz: all the time), and it wasn't long before
I found myseld thinking of TP everytime I heard songs like: The
End and Riders on the Storm (essentially all the tracks).  At
first, I thought that I was just associating Kyle with Ray
Mazerick.  BUT, one day I mentioned this fact to my little
sister, and she said that she also thought of TP everytime she
heard The Doors' songs.  The interesting thing is: She hasn't
seen the movie, so she hasn't had the opportunity to
subconciouslessly connect Kyle and Ray (oohhh, errr...sounds a
bit rude!) :-)

Wow man, freaky!

I think it may be the powerful imagery that they both have in
common.  I may be wrong. 

My sister wanted to draw your (and my) attention to their common
"use of sight and sound [that] revert us to a part of the mind
(possibly memory, esp. ex-tokers!) that we feel we would rather
be.  This is some sort of "dream land" we would find ideal to get
away to..."

She maybe wrong, too.


But, I would especially like to see someone else's opinion about
this.


While I'm here...

When TV3 was showing TP they aired the second season straight
after the first.  So down here, at least, noticed very distinct
differences in the characters, especially in Cooper, and
differences in direction/production, in at least the first few
episodes.  Anyone with all the episodes on tape notice that?


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Anyone, anywhere...

-Please, don't be shy about replying-, it doesn't cost anymore
to reply to NZ than it does to the US :-)


Nick Borrell, Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <Yca1M7G00Uzx012nw=@andrew.cmu.edu>, lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liz Fox) writes...

} I need to get my TP tapes in order and I was wondering if anyone could
} send me one line synopsis of each episode during the second season (both
} seasons if you have it). I had to tape a few episodes on a different
} tape and I didnt write down when they were aired, etc.  I just want to
} get them all in order.

First Season:

0           08 Apr 90   Twin Peaks [pilot]
1    1001   12 Apr 90   Shelly finds Leo's bloody shirt; Pete finds a
                        fish in his percolator
2    1002   19 Apr 90   Cooper demonstrates the art of Tibetan baseball
                        and has dreams of dancing dwarves and doppelgangers
3    1003   26 Apr 90   Laura's funeral; Coop meets the Bookhouse Boys
4    1004   03 May 90   Coop meets the One-Armed Man, a llama, and Waldo
5    1005   10 May 90   Coop interrogates the Log and finds Jacques' cabin
6    1006   17 May 90   Coop & Big Ed go undercover at One-Eyed Jack's,
                        Audrey does her cherry trick, and Waldo gets whacked
7    1007   23 May 90   Jacoby has a heart attack, a number of people get
                        shot, and the Mill catches fire

Second Season:

8    2001   30 Sep 90   dreams of Giants, nightmares of BOB
9    2002   06 Oct 90   the creamed corn kid and a message from space
10   2003   13 Oct 90   Audrey is hooked on heroin & Jacoby undergoes
                        hypnosis
11   2004   20 Oct 90   Judge Sternwood arrives
12   2005   27 Oct 90   Audrey is rescued from OEJ and Maddy & Donna are
                        rescued from Harold
13   2006   03 Nov 90   Gordon Cole arrives and MIKE tells about BOB
14   2007   10 Nov 90   BOB's identity is revealed and he kills again
15   2008   17 Nov 90   BOB goes golfing and another body is found
16   2009   01 Dec 90   BOB is arrested and destroys his host
17   2010   08 Dec 90   Internal Affairs investigates Cooper, while
                        he and the Major go camping
18   2011   15 Dec 90   Denise Bryson arrives and the Milford wedding
                        takes place
19   2012   12 Jan 91   The Major reappears
20   2013   19 Jan 91   Ben starts fighting the Civil War and the drug
                        smuggling case is closed
21   2014   02 Feb 91   Enter Earle and Eckhardt
22   2015   09 Feb 91   The South wins the Civil War and Pete demonstrates
                        the game of chess
23   2016   16 Feb 91   "What happened to Josie?"
24   2017   28 Mar 91   Harry goes on a bender and Dick has an encounter
                        with a weasel
25   2018   04 Apr 91   Coop and the others investigate the Owl Cave
26   2019   11 Apr 91   Earle's pawn is found & Catherine receives a
                        puzzle-box
27   2020   18 Apr 91   Earle explains about the Dugpas and his plan to
                        enter the Black Lodge
28   2021   10 Jun 91   Chaos at the Miss Twin Peaks contest
29   2022   10 Jun 91   Coop enters the Lodge

-- "Right now it's only a notion, but I think I can get money and make it into a concept, and then later turn it into an idea." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In article <6wqw63w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu writes:
> >  > RR diner interiors
> >  This was done at the Mar-T Cafe in North Bend.
> >
Most scenes were propably filmed in a studio, modelled after the Mar-T.
There's no way they could have gotten all the cameras and stuff in
there without tearing down the walls. Kinda small place, and a bit
more run-down than the RR we saw in TP. They had a "We support the
timber industry" sign in the window, but I went in anyway...  Fairly
good CP (cherry pie).

Also, I've seen several posts here from other 'pilgrims' that the
train-car Laura got murdered in is next to the road in Snoqualmie,
covered with a blue tarp. Not so, you'll find the real one if you
follow the railroad-tracks into the woods 300ft or so.  Spooky, if
you're brave you should go there on a rainy moon-less night... :-)
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In article <C06DG!?@irie.ais.org>, dlc@ais.org (David Claytor) writes:
> > RD: That's unfortunate, but the show really went downhill (IMHO) in the
> > second season anyway.  Look at it this way, the conclusion (if you can call
> > it that!) was annoying, aggravating, disappointing, and infuriating, so
> > you've been saved alot of unnecessary distress and even WORSE depression.
> > Reading ths newsgroup used to be my daily joy, and now that's gone, too.
> > __Dave



Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Would you have been happy with this answer had the 
same thing happened here in the states?  Bad Twin Peaks (I think
the 2nd season had some wonderful moments) is much better than 
no Twin Peaks.

Obligatory Twin Peaks Theory:  I was ruminating the other day while
watching the tomatoes grow and wondered if perhaps Coop had been 
tainted all along - we just finally got to see it.  Laura was quite
adept at presenting a "good image" and Coop's autobiography presents
some truly bizarre events.  Consider the dichotomy of the diaries
(Coop on tape, Laura on paper).  Both had semi-psychic mothers.
Both had eccentric fathers.  Coop seemed to enjoy his portrayal
of a homosexual swinger and Laura her One Eyed Jack's experience (o.k. -
 I'm stretching, here).  Both were over-achievers.  Both talk about
asparagus in their diaries (any mythical references to asparagus?).
Etc., etc., etc.

Connie

In article <1991Jul31.041835.13660@jpradley.jpr.com>
   billm@jpradley.jpr.com (Bill Moss) doodled:

> > Even Agent Coop can blow it.  And he may not get another chance.  
> > 

I sure hope he does.. :-(

> > 
>> > >-- 
>> > >-larryy@apple.com
>> > >
>> > >"You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple,
>> > >and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'."
>> > >                        -  Edmund Blackadder
> > 
> > ^^^^^^Write me down as another vote for the best quote! Who is this
> > Blackadder fellow?
> > 

He is the main character from a British TV comedy called, unsuprisingly,
Blackadder (I -> IV).  This series as well had a really sad ending for
the fourth and last series, set in WWI.  The series itself traced the
fortunes of the Blackadder family through history, and was very good. 

"Is this cunning plan a cunning as a fox who has just been elected Regis
Professor of cunning at Cambridge University ?" - Blackadder

"Yes" - Baldrick

"Oh well, save it Baldrick, it's too late now.." - Blackadder

[From memory, so it aint too good..]

- Chris

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Contrary to the opinions that have been expressed here, I have a
persistent but vague memory of reading somewhere, before Twin Peaks even
began in the UK, that it was originally conceived not as something
open-ended, of indefinite length, but as being exactly three series long,
with a proper beginning and end (and a large number of middles :-));
hence the unsatisfactory end to the second series when the funding was
yanked, which is OK as a cliffhanger, but makes no sense on its own.
Can anyone confirm or refute this?

--
Richard Kennaway          SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk            uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk

>> >>-larryy@apple.com
>> >>"You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple,
>> >>and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'."
>> >>                        -  Edmund Blackadder
> >
> >^^^^^^Write me down as another vote for the best quote! Who is this
> >Blackadder fellow?

Yeah, I'd like to know too!
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According to Marilyn Beck:  (culled from The Orange County Register)

Good news for "Twin Peaks" fans.  The much discussed big-screen version
of David Lynch's cult hit TV series is on again.
You may recall that plans to bring "Peaks" into theaters hit a snag
last month when it appeared star Kyle MacLachlan (who plays FBI agent Dale
Cooper) <-- as if we didn't know! // was opting against taking part in the
project.  Now inside word is that MacLachlan may be "in" after all. 
Discussions between his reps and Lynch/Frost Productions are under way.
Meanwhile, we understand Lynch has a completed script ready to go for
the film, and he intends to go through with a "Peaks" picture with Kyle or
without.  As yet, no start date has been set for the production Lynch initially
hoped to begin late this month.

-TP without Kyle?????  Blasphemy!
-I agree with whoever said that Kyle is holding out for money.  But I ask, what 
 would Kyle do without David Lynch?
-Anyone heard anything about the script?
-Think it might still get started this month?  When is a tentative release
 date?

Valerie Nozick
vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu

"Fellas, coincidence and fate [and high-quality Twin Peaks t-shirts] figure
largely in our lives." - Agent Cooper to Truman, Hawk, Andy and YOU!

How can you look into the eyes of an innocent, cute little pine weasel and
not feel compassion towards him?  Now you can share your feelings with the
world with a "SAVE THE PINE WEASEL" T-shirt.

The shirts are white, 100% cotton Haynes beefy-t's.  Professionally
screened on the front is a pocket-sized image of the symbol from Owl Cave
which doubled as several attractive tattoos.  The highlight of the back
is a real live Pine Weasel, bigger than life and as cute as ever.
Boldly emblazoned above this little critter are the words 'SAVE THE PINE
WEASEL' so there can be no doubt about the meaning of this shirt.
Underneath our fine, furry friend is a suitable quote from the speech
Audrey Horne made at the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant:

   "There is only one way to save a forest, an idea, or anything of value
    and that is by refusing to stand by and watch it die.  There is a law
    of nature more fundamental to life than the laws of man.  And when
    something you care about is in danger, you must fight to save it or
    lose it forever." - Audrey Horne

This wisdom can equally be applied to the hazards of network television
scheduling as well as to the pine weasel.

We're printing these shirts not as a money-making venture but as a labour of
love.  Like many things which are inspired by Twin Peaks, these shirts are
meant to be shared.  (Besides, if enough people aren't interested they'll
cost too much to make!!! :-) )  Our cost right now is $10 per shirt, plus
whatever the post office charges to mail a t-shirt.  If you are interested
in getting one or more of these shirts, you can contact us either through
e-mail: Mike.Carvalho@COMM.UMass.edu or ODonnell_J@Apollo.com
or snail-mail: Mike Carvalho
               21B Old Amherst Road
               Belchertown, MA 01007

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Peace.
--- Mike & Julie
                                                  (c) 1991 wow bob wow inc.

P.S. I cannot emphasize enough that we are not making money by printing these
shirts... I do not wish to involve myself in a debate about whether or not
it is appropriate to use the newsfeeds to try to sell something for profit,
and, indeed, believe it does not apply to this message.  However, if you are
bothered or offended by the appearance of this message, you have our deepest
apologies.

In article <1991Jul30.200118.10050@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, grljo@next1.ulowell.edu (John Owen) writes:
> > And who is the incredibly beautiful woman that plays the character of Maggie?
> > Has she been in anything else?


I think her name is Janine Turner.  If you like Northern Exposure, 
you might get a kick out of the Quantum Leap episode "Catch a Falling Star"
which features not only Janine, but John Cullom(Holling, the owner of the bar)
as well.  As to Turner, she's been in a few things ranging from soap operas to
some small feature roles.  Also, she was on the cover of last weeks
Entertainment Weekly magazine.

Jack Kessler
Ohio State Physics 
kessler@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1991Aug2.133915.54736@eagle.wesleyan.edu> vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> >.... Kyle is holding out for money.  But I ask, what 
> > would Kyle do without David Lynch?

You mean, you weren't moved by his brilliant performance
as the drummer for The Doors??

SS

schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

> >In article <1991Aug2.133915.54736@eagle.wesleyan.edu> vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>> >>.... Kyle is holding out for money.  But I ask, what 
>> >> would Kyle do without David Lynch?

> >You mean, you weren't moved by his brilliant performance
> >as the drummer for The Doors??
        ^^^^^^^

He played the role of Ray Manzarek, the keyboardist, not
the drummer.

Did anyone else besides myself happen to catch Lara Flynn Boyle in a show
called _The_Hidden_Room_ on Lifetime a few days ago?  If so, what did you
think of it?  For those who didn't see it, it was about a college student
(Boyle) who was having trouble dealing with her incestuous relationship
with her father.  I am curious to know if this is going to become a
series.  Anyone know?  Thanks for your time... :)
-- "Fortune presents gifts not Tara R. Marchand according to the book." trm@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US Dead Can Dance UUCP=..ames!pacbell!sactoh0

For those in the UK (and no doubt in other countries) that haven't seen Northern Exposure could someone
in "the know" post a brief outline of the show?


Much appreciated!


Martin Farrall

I only began reading alt.tv.twin.peaks around the end of _Twin
Peaks_'s television career.  Upon the television finale, there was an
obscene swell of message traffic, in which people discussed everything
from the inanity of Donna Hayward's parentage to the all too fascinating
journey into The Black Lodge.  A significant portion of the message
traffic was intelligent and quite compelling.  Where has all of that
energy gone, folks?

Some idiots have suggested that alt.tv.twin.peaks meet its
death, now that _Twin Peaks_ is no longer on the air.  That is the most
asinine thing I have seen on a.t.t.p.  Why must this message net die?
This place has always been an exchange of ideas and feelings.  Despite
the end of a television show, ideas and feelings live on forever, and
can provide wonderful conversation for quite some time to come.  Plus,
_Twin Peaks_ may very well continue to be produced.

I simply suggest that all who have watched and enjoyed or hated
_Twin Peaks_ think back to the show and remember what had before
inspired you to post and respond.  I do not want to see this message net
go.

--
Alexander Aingworth/as215 -- Cleveland FreeNet

'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

D.B.Cooper parachuted from a 727 via the under-tail door over
Washington state in the early seventies with a large sum after
a robbery. He was never found, although someone claiming to be
him was interviewed about 10 years later. This person had
severe injuries to his legs and genitals, the claim being that
he had landed astride a dead tree. This latter part is probably
a hoax.

Duncan

Thanks to all who have responded - I appreciate all the info.


Liz Fox

In article <910802155251121-MTASATURN*Mike.Carvalho@COMM.umass.edu> Mike.Carvalho@COMM.umass.edu writes:
> >How can you look into the eyes of an innocent, cute little pine weasel and
> >not feel compassion towards him?  Now you can share your feelings with the
> >world with a "SAVE THE PINE WEASEL" T-shirt.
> >
> > (description of shirt deleted)
> >
> >We're printing these shirts not as a money-making venture but as a labour of
> >love.  Like many things which are inspired by Twin Peaks, these shirts are
> >meant to be shared.  (Besides, if enough people aren't interested they'll
> >cost too much to make!!! :-) )  Our cost right now is $10 per shirt, plus
> >whatever the post office charges to mail a t-shirt.  If you are interested
> >in getting one or more of these shirts, you can contact us either through
> >e-mail: Mike.Carvalho@COMM.UMass.edu or ODonnell_J@Apollo.com
> >or snail-mail: Mike Carvalho
> >               21B Old Amherst Road
> >               Belchertown, MA 01007
> >
> >Thank you for your time and consideration.
> >
> >Peace.
> >--- Mike & Julie
> >                                                  (c) 1991 wow bob wow inc.
> >

As a wearer of this t-shirt, I can say that you definitely won't be 
disappointed by it.  It is made really well and I highly recommned 
buying it!  The pine weasel on the back looks great and the saying 
is spectacular.  You'll really enjoy it!

Mike

In article <C06DG!?@irie.ais.org> dlc@ais.org (David Claytor) writes:
<In article <1991Jul31.035506.16009@massey.ac.nz> R.D.Johnson@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Johnson) writes:
<>
<>We have a sad story to tell from the dark depths of New Zealand.
<>Once upon a time, we too were avid _Twin Peaks_ fans. Unfortunately we
<>come from a country where the powers that be thought that _Twin Peaks_
<>died with Leyland Palmer. Alas we have to report that _Twin Peaks_ has
<>been cut from New Zealand screens. And you think you`ve had it hard over
<>there!
<
<RD: That's unfortunate, but the show really went downhill (IMHO) in the
<second season anyway.  Look at it this way, the conclusion (if you can call
<it that!) was annoying, aggravating, disappointing, and infuriating, so
<you've been saved alot of unnecessary distress and even WORSE depression.
<Reading ths newsgroup used to be my daily joy, and now that's gone, too.

Just for the record, I disagree with almost everything you say.
R.D.Johnson: I recommend these missing episodes very highly.  Make an
effort to find them on tape.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

In article <37830004@otter.hpl.hp.com> dps@otter.hpl.hp.com (Duncan Smith) writes:

   D.B.Cooper parachuted from a 727 via the under-tail door over
   Washington state in the early seventies with a large sum after
   a robbery. He was never found, although someone claiming to be
   him was interviewed about 10 years later. This person had
   severe injuries to his legs and genitals, the claim being that
   he had landed astride a dead tree. This latter part is probably
   a hoax.

Sorry folks, I can't resist...Looks like we're back to the Fisher King
again.  Injuries to the legs and genitals--that's exactly what was
wrong with him.  Of course, he was injured by a weapon (either a sword
that broke, or else the lance that was kept with the Grail, this lance
supposedly being that which was used to pierce Jesus' side when he was
on the cross), and this guy was injured by a dead tree.  But then
again, if it's Nature who is a player in this story, as it seems to be
in Twin Peaks, I could see a dead tree being used as a very
appropriate weapon.  Alternatively, since the Fisher King supposedly
ruled over a waste land, his modern counterpart would most likely
land, if not in a desert, then in a dead tree.

Lest you all think I'm weirder than I really am, I know I'm talking
about apples and oranges here--the story about landing in the dead
tree was made up (or related truthfully, you never know) by the D. B.
Cooper character, not by the Twin Peaks writers.  But it's interesting
how these story elements show up all over the place. (Also, I'm
probably more sensitive to those elements than usual, since all the
Fisher King discussion has caused me to do some more reading on the
Grail legend.)  And no, I don't really think we could strengthen the
tie between Dale Cooper and D. B. Cooper based on this allusion.

Barb Miller

The other night (on NBC, I think) I saw a teaser for an upcoming fall
series titled "Eerie, Indiana."  It had a "kind-of" Twin Peaks feel to
it, and I'm wondering if anyone has more information on the program.
__Dave

schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

> >In article <1991Aug2.133915.54736@eagle.wesleyan.edu> vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>> >>.... Kyle is holding out for money.  But I ask, what 
>> >> would Kyle do without David Lynch?

> >You mean, you weren't moved by his brilliant performance
> >as the drummer for The Doors??

You apparently weren't.  MacLachlan played Ray Manzarek, the Doors' 
*keyboardist*.  Kevin Dillon played the drummer, John Densmore.
===========================================================================  
Captain Frank A. Lauro              fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Commanding Officer                  University of Illinois
USS ALEXA, NCC 1764-D               at Champaign-Urbana
================QUOTE OF THE [INSERT TEMPORAL DESIGNATION]=================
"I'm sorry, but that was some pretty f**king pathetic applause."
---Joe Jackson, at the July 27 performance of his "Laughter & Lust"
tour, Chicago Theater, 1991

In article <2896E1E7.28008@ics.uci.edu> dharkles@ics.uci.edu (Daniel Lee Harkless) writes:
> >
> >I have the beast in question.  The soundtrack is maybe only half
> >Badalamenti stuff (maybe less).  There's a bunch of other stuff on there,
> >including some lame speed metal band, but on the positive side including

The "lame" speedmetal band is in fact Powermad, and their song         
Slaughterhouse is used to great effect in the film (for example, the
scene with Sailor & Lula driving through the desert, listening to the
radio).

Disclaimer: I met the band's guitarist while visiting Minneapolis.  Nice guy.

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
|                                          "I don't read, I just guess"  |
| marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu       -Happy Mondays, "Wrote For Luck"  |

In article <3061@calmasd.Prime.COM> jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
> >In article <C06DG!?@irie.ais.org> dlc@ais.org (David Claytor) writes:
> ><In article <1991Jul31.035506.16009@massey.ac.nz> R.D.Johnson@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Johnson) writes:
> ><>
> ><>We have a sad story to tell from the dark depths of New Zealand.
> ><>Once upon a time, we too were avid _Twin Peaks_ fans. Unfortunately we
> ><>come from a country where the powers that be thought that _Twin Peaks_
> ><>died with Leyland Palmer. Alas we have to report that _Twin Peaks_ has
> ><>been cut from New Zealand screens. And you think you`ve had it hard over
> ><>there!
> ><
> ><RD: That's unfortunate, but the show really went downhill (IMHO) in the
> ><second season anyway.  Look at it this way, the conclusion (if you can call
> ><it that!) was annoying, aggravating, disappointing, and infuriating, so
> ><you've been saved alot of unnecessary distress and even WORSE depression.
> ><Reading ths newsgroup used to be my daily joy, and now that's gone, too.
> >
> >Just for the record, I disagree with almost everything you say.
> >R.D.Johnson: I recommend these missing episodes very highly.  Make an
> >effort to find them on tape.
> >
> >Jan Bielawski
> >Computervision R&D, San Diego
> >jpb@calmasd.prime.com


OK, Jan.  No problem here -- it's a matter of individual preferences, then.
I
may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right
to say it -- isn't that how it goes?  At this point in time, it's not
worth arguing over anymore.
__Dave

dlc@ais.org (David Claytor) writes:

> >The other night (on NBC, I think) I saw a teaser for an upcoming fall   
> >series titled "Eerie, Indiana."  It had a "kind-of" Twin Peaks feel to    
> >it, and I'm wondering if anyone has more information on the program.

Here is a query and reply I received on rec.arts.tv re: NBC's new program
titled "Eerie, IN" -- as an ex-Peakster, I'm intrigued.         
========================================================

Article 38995 (18 more) in rec.arts.tv:
From: jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.twin-peaks

Subject Re: Eerie, IN? (details from paper)

dlc@ais.org (David Claytor) writes:

> >The other night (on NBC, I think) I saw a teaser for an upcoming fall   
> >series titled "Eerie, Indiana."  It had a "kind-of" Twin Peaks feel to    
> >it, and I'm wondering if anyone has more information on the program.

>From the Aug. 5 San Jose Mercury News (Ron Miller's column):
> >              Missing Twin Peaks?  Try a trip to Eerie, Ind.
> >Aimed at youngsters and young adults....

The San Jose version of Twin Peaks must have been very different from the
one I watched.  I suppose in that version Laura Palmer slept with every
<teddy bear> in town, and was <spanked> by her father.

Brad Needham
bradn@augsburg.pen.tek.com

    Cooper, Jr.: "Darn fine Kool-Aid, Mrs. Jennings."

Here here Alex.
I have been also reading the net and I noticed that the traffic was
slowing down.  However Alex is right in stating that TP is not necc.
dead.  Not only are there rumors that TP will be produced elsewere 
but there are people and groups that have the complete show (every
episode ) on tape.  There are other net.groups that center thier 
disscussions around a defunk TV show/Movie.  My brother-in-law has
all the episodes and our group of 8 are planning to get together and 
have many Peaks Parties were we plan on watching several episodes 
back to back.  I think that this group would serve a purpose to those
other groups who also plan on doing the same thing, a place to 
discuss things that we may have missed during the regular seasons.

May the Owls Protect.
-shawn
--
shawn@aardvark.pdx.com                      |"The number of UNIX
"I'm with the government, I'm here to help!"|machines has grown to 10
"The God I believe in                       |with more expected." 
isn't short of cash, MISTER!!" -Bono        | -The UNIX manual, *1972*

Regarding the number of quality postings in decline of late...

Well, speaking only for myself of course, I've been on vacation, so
haven't been able to participate.  I also suspect that a number of
frequent posters to this group may be college students who have
lost access for the summer.  If the movie is truly in pre-production,
we'll get another charge soon.

> >'It's a far, far better thing I do, than I have ever done before
> >A far better resting place I go to, than I have ever known'

'Something Spock was trying to tell me...on my birthday.'


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
              *My father's name - Palmer Wood

mcn@apollo.hp.com (Michael McNulty) writes:
> >buying it!  The pine weasel on the back looks great and the saying 
> >is spectacular.  You'll really enjoy it!

So, what is the best way?

Is it really best roasted?
Bob.

The RR Diner interiors for the second season were shot at the Two-Rivers
Lounge in Carnation, Washington. Just up the road from the Colonial Inn.
The interior was completely remodeled for the filming, so the interior now
looks nothing like the RR Diner. The view thru the windows during the RR
Diner scenes is what gave away the secret. If you are very observent, you
can see the Carnation Barber Shop and the CEDAR LOG tavern thru the front
windows of the RR. These are directly across the street from the Two Rivers,
and the view matches perfectly from inside with the shots from TP. The other
thing is that the doors and service window inside the Two-Rivers matches the
placement in the RR. Since the filming, the interior of the Two-Rivers has  
been divided in two sections (lounge and restaurant), and the full-length
counter has been removed, the floor carpeted, the chairs replaced, etc...
Haven't tried the Cherry Pie there, but the Clam Chowder was "Damn Fine".

sig under construction.....stddisclamer applies   James Kragh

>>>>> >>>>> On 8 Aug 91 16:24:20 GMT, bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray) said:

Bob> mcn@apollo.hp.com (Michael McNulty) writes:
> >buying it!  The pine weasel on the back looks great and the saying 
> >is spectacular.  You'll really enjoy it!

Bob> So, what is the best way?

Bob> Is it really best roasted?
Bob> Bob.

Sounds like BOB alright!  Actually, I just got one (thanks Mike), and
it's great!

Tom

WANTED:
Twin Peaks cards.  I'm interested in purchasing possibly 5 or 6 boxes
of new unopened cards.  If I can't find new cards, I may settle for 
already sorted complete or partial sets.

Thanks.
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|    Dark skys fall now, into another day."              |  lmm@cci632.UUCP |
|________________________________________________enya____|__________________|
          (Song stuck in my head at the moment)

Well, I guess Big Steve and his "Golden Years" colleagues have been noticing
that nobody's watching the show.  Last night's episode surely cranked up the
strangeness level, didn't it?  Our hero's eyes turn green and the sun rises
again!  He sets foot on ground only to cause an earthquake!  I would say that
this kind of plotting would go head-to-head with anything Messrs. Lynch and
Frost ever came up with for "Twin Peaks."

Now the question is, will the producers wimp out?  Everytime I see a little
evidence that somebody in TV-land is bold enough to go for real fantasy, I
tune in to the next episode and they tell me it was all a dream or something.
Remember how promising TP was, along about episode three, only to have it
degrade into cheap soap-opera a few weeks later?

Well, I guess I'll HAVE to tune in next Thursday and see whether King, et. al.,
have the stomach for it.

A previous response said:

> >The interior was completely remodeled for the filming, so the interior now
> >looks nothing like the RR Diner... 

Wait a minute! If it was remodeled for the filming, wouldn't it have been
remodeled to look exactly like the RR Diner interior? Isn't that the
point? What are you trying to say?

A friend of mine saw a report on CNN this morning that the TP movie is
definitely in pre-production, and that Kyle MacLachlan has agreed to be
a part of it, but in a more limited role.

I just saw on CNN Headline News that Kyle has agreed to be in the
movie in a reduced, supporting role.  Sounds to me like the only cure
for BOB is death!

In article <91221.082935SASTPH@vm.sas.com>, SASTPH@vm.sas.com (Tim
Hunter) writes:
|> Well, I guess Big Steve and his "Golden Years" colleagues have been noticing
|> that nobody's watching the show.  Last night's episode surely cranked up the
|> strangeness level, didn't it?  Our hero's eyes turn green and the sun rises
|> again!  He sets foot on ground only to cause an earthquake!  I would
say that
|> this kind of plotting would go head-to-head with anything Messrs. Lynch and
|> Frost ever came up with for "Twin Peaks."
|> 
|> Now the question is, will the producers wimp out?  Everytime I see a little
|> evidence that somebody in TV-land is bold enough to go for real fantasy, I
|> tune in to the next episode and they tell me it was all a dream or
something.
|> Remember how promising TP was, along about episode three, only to have it
|> degrade into cheap soap-opera a few weeks later?

Couldn`t agree with you more. I for one am sorry to see the plot go from nice
little government conspiracy versus average guy drama to a full blown S-F
epic. I was enjoying the little bit of S-F that was thrown in to complicate
the relationships of Harlan, Gina, and Terry. 

On the other hand, I sure was thrown for a loop when the sun *reversed*
itself. Remember they were driving *west* to Chicago and he (the truck
driver) sees the sun *rise* in front of him.

I just hope "Golden Years" ends this summer without any cliffhangers.

Fred Sabernick
fcs@everest.tandem.com

On the subject of Golden Years finally getting interesting...

  You know, I had been betting from about episode 4 that the show was SO
boring and so slow and SO predictable that the guy just HAD to exhibit
superpowers for a Firestarter like finale...  From the previews to next
week, it looks like I'm right...

  I have to admit that the clock running backwards behind our hero as he
exhibited his tremendous powers was actually a nice touch...  I guess you
have to have a Stephen King cameo for anything interesting to happen...

  It's a pity, I think they have a very nice 3 hour movie hiding in the middle
of Golden Years.  It's too bad they didn't make it that way...  Unlike Twin
Peaks, the producers just don't seem to know how to use all the time that
was given to them...

Scott

  I was just getting ready to post when I saw this note.  After 3 hour long
shows of absolutely nothing happening, I won't be tuning in next week to
see the same thing happen, AGAIN!

  This show is dragging BUTT!  We get 5-10 second seens watching the characters
doing nothing.  It seems to me that every episode shows:

  Gina whining about Harl getting younger and not wanting to run anymore.

  Terry saying things repeatedly like: 'if they catch us we'll just end up
   in body bags' or something
equally stupid.

  The SHOP guy, what's his name? acting tough, throwing things and smoking
  his cigarettes.
  
  And on and on...

  I was really looking forward to a good series and it's just dwindled into
garbage.  This is all just IMHO but I'm seriously disappointed in King's
work here.  Yes, it was quite suspenseful to start with, and the suspense is
still there but they simply could have crammed the last 3 show into one
and we would've gotten the same effect.  Why do they have to drag it out so?

-=- Brett


 

-- Brett Watson | brettw@ksuvm.ksu.edu | 'I will not draw naked 2031 Shirley Lane | bdw@phobos.cis.ksu.edu | ladies in class...' Manhattan KS 66502 | brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | --Bart Simpson

I uploaded some more Twin Peaks sounds to audrey.sait.edu.au a while back.
I haven't looked lately but I think they're still there.  A brief description
of each sound follows.

urge.au :
(Ben, in the lodge after talking to Dick about medical bills
resulting from a weasel bite to his nose)
Ben: "Sometimes the urge to do bad.... is nearly overpowering"  
    <<crunch>>
drink_coffee.au :
(Dale, to Truman in Truman's office shortly after discovering
    the first body left by Windom Earle)
Dale: "Let's get one thing straight; I work for you now.  You say
    drink coffee, I drink coffee."
holy_smokes.au :
(Hawk, Dale, and Truman in Truman's office shortly after
    discovering the first body left by Windom Earle)
Hawk: "Shelly Johnson called.  She said Leo came to last night,
    attacked her, and ran off into the woods."
Dale: "Holy smokes..."
straight.au :
(Pete, to Catherine and Andrew after discovering he is still alive)
Pete: "Now let me get this straight.  You... didn't die... in the
    boat accident."
demilo.au :
(Dale and Gordon Cole in the diner)
Gordon Cole: "WHAT A BEAUTY!!  KINDA REMINDS ME OF THAT STATUE, THE
    BABE WITHOUT THE ARMS."
Dale: "The Venus Demilo."
Gordon: "THE NAME WAS MILO BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT."
eureka.au :
(Windom Earle, after listening into one of Dale's conversations
    through the bugged bonsai plant).
Windom: "Eureka!!  Dale, I could kiss your pointy little head."
     <<Smack>>  "Ha ha..."
iheardthat.au :
(Shelly and Gordon Cole in the diner)
Shelly: "You don't have to shout; I can hear you."
Gordon: "I HEARD THAT!  I... I HEARD THAT!"
Shelly: "Um... do you want anything besides coffee?"
Gordon: "I HEARD YOU PERFECTLY!!"
Shelly: "And I can hear you, honest!  Please!"
Gordon: "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!"
mytruck.au :
(Pete, to Dale and Truman upon entering Truman's office the morning
    after the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant)
Pete: "The log lady stole my truck!"
superhuman2.au :
(Mike and Bobby in the Roadhouse before the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant)
Mike: "Do you have any idea what a combination of sexual maturity
    and superhuman strength can result in?"
    ---PAUSE---
Bobby: "WHOA!!!  Sorry...  whoa..."
weaselriot.au :
(Lucy, to Andy in the Sherriff's Office)
Lucy: "I want to thank you for helping out during the weasel riot
    yesterday, which is more than I can say for a certain Dick we
    both know."
wrong.au :
(Mayor, messing with the microphone he night before the Miss Twin
    Peaks Pageant, after the giant has appeared to Dale)
Mayor: "There's something wrong... This isn't right, there's
    something wrong here..."
    ---FADE TO MUSIC BEFORE WE SEE BOB---
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From the Boston GLOB, a few days ago, an article appeared in the
"entertainment gossip" section (or whatever the editors officially
call it) stating that the movie has resumed shooting and that Kyle
M. has agreed to five days of shooting max. The article implied
(without any "facts" to back it up) that Lynch would use a different
actor to play Cooper for the remainder of the shooting schedule.

What I don't understand is, since this is allegedly a prequel of
events leading to LP's death, how much could Cooper be involved
since he didn't appear on the scene until after her death?

But, considering Lynch's penchant for parallel universes, dream states
and other paranormal phenomena, I suppose that anything is
possible:-).

-- 
Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
68 Washington St, Natick, MA 01760
508-655-3040

In article <9107282144.AA26115@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> >Just tell me one intelligent thing about Audrey's love
> >affair or Nadine's high school romance or Norma's mother, or any
> >of the other insipid sub-plots.
> >

Well, I'm not going to try to confer any value whatsoever on Audrey's
fling or Norma's mom the food critic, but I'm going to go out on a bit
of a limb and try to justify Nadine's entire storyline for the second
season.  First of all, at least at first it was a VERY "Lynchian" plotline,
in that it dealt with something completely surreal running into the everyday
world.  It's just as much of a collision between reality and fantasy as, say,
the fish in the percolator.

Also, have you ever seen "Peggy Sue Got Married"?  Nadine's story seemed to me
to be a perfect parody of that whole "if I had a second chance" kind of cliche.
She gets to regress to the time before her life got messed up, and what does
she do to make it better?  She jumps the first guy who she thinks has cute
buns.  And this seems to be the only thing on her mind.  She's all set up for
another heartbreak, where Mike would destroy her life just like Ed did...
but she gets sandbagged instead.

Truth be told I was still disappointed by the abrupt ending to the story.  I
would have liked to have them play }i{_it with a little more emotional
depth -- having Doctor Jacoby and Ed continue to try to straighten out her life
(as they'd hinted at a few episodes before).  Maybe even play it for a bit of
pathos, as Nadine's fantasies crumble around her.  But instead they just
decided to get it over with in one short scene.  Oh well...

Interesting, isn't it, that some of those episodes you summarized with
a description of only the last thirty seconds of the show...  kinda
makes you wonder if the preceding 45 minutes had any value at all...
(I'm thinking of the "The Major Reappears" episode in particular...
also the "Judge Sternwood arrives" one, considering that de judge only
had a part in one other episode.  I can't remember that one too well, but
did ANYTHING important happen in that one?)

No comprehensive list or anything, but I thought I'd mention a particular
scene that recurs frequently for me.  Though I think Maddie's death is
by far the most powerful scene in the history of television, there's one
image from the aftermath, completely unnecessary to plot development,
yet so perfectly atmospheric, and perhaps a little insightful into the
characters, that it really stuck with me, and I can visualize it at will...

The four strong male characters, Coop, Truman, Albert, and Hawk (I think),
walking in slow motion towards the camera with their longcoats flapping
slowly in the breeze.  Their dejection is plain, yet a hint of developing
resolve was suggested to me.  It calls up western cowboy hero mythologies,
yet they don't feel at all like heroes at the moment.  A chance, both
welcome and not, to reflect on the horror they've just failed to stop.

Anyway, it got to me.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Favorite moments?  Let's see....
 
Maddy's death, combined with the shots of Donna and Bobby upset in the 
Roadhouse.

The end of episode 2020, with the ominous still shots of a bunch of TP 
locations (a series of shots that I think may have some yet-unrealized 
significance,) then BOB appearing in the woods.

5 guys walking near the woods right after the discovery of Maddy's body.

Same shot in next episode, without the guys.  Just trees.

Laura screaming in the train car in 2001 or 2002.  Nightmarish.

Slow pan over the chessboard in the opening of Diane Keaton's episode.

And of course, all the various shots of wind blowing eerily through trees.

Ken

..

About your pastiche:
Very interesting.  You have the characters' dialogue down perfectly, 
especially Albert's and Coop's.

The only suggestion I would have is to maybe lose the line with Nadine 
telling Mike to look what he's been making love to.  It doesn't seem to 
fit in with what was really just a humorous subplot.

Ken

..

I had a few people over at my home today who hadn't seen TP, or weren't sure
if they had. To give them a quick intro to the show, I pulled my tape of
1002 from the stack and showed them (as they came up, with little planning):
The rocks and bottles
Nadine and the noiseless drape runners
Pete and Catherine and the boots
The Dream

This interested them enough that we may see the whole show some time soon
(I think we have the Mahabharata, The Last Temptation of Christ, Wings of
Desire, and Peter Gabriel's POV on the playstack first).

Interestingly, when BOB came on screen, one of the people remembered that
she >had< seen the Euroversion (she's from Munich). It took a little explaining
to tell her why this scene was being shown out of order, as it were.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <91221.082935SASTPH@vm.sas.com> SASTPH@vm.sas.com (Tim Hunter) writes:
> >Well, I guess Big Steve and his "Golden Years" colleagues have been noticing
> >that nobody's watching the show.  Last night's episode surely cranked up the
> >strangeness level, didn't it?  Our hero's eyes turn green and the sun rises
> >again!  He sets foot on ground only to cause an earthquake!  I would say that
> >this kind of plotting would go head-to-head with anything Messrs. Lynch and
> >Frost ever came up with for "Twin Peaks."

I think it stinks... I have liked the show so far, but think 
the earthquake & sun bits are too much.

It certainly wasn't "realistic" before, but "closer to reality"
in a sense.. I can't really explain it, I just feel it's TOO bogus now.

I mean working on regeneration efforts is something really being
done (I doubt with big green eery lights though!).. I remember reading a few
months about some work how some people have regrown tips of their fingers and
such and how scientists are looking into it and in the future they may 
be able to make the body regrow something, much as a starfish regrows a
limb..  
I realize that and GROWING YOUNGER are totally separate, but they
are closer than causing the sun to come up and an earthquake..

bummer...  That one guy is still creepy though.
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lmm@cci632.cci.com (Lance Michel) writes:

> >WANTED:
> >Twin Peaks cards.  I'm interested in purchasing possibly 5 or 6 boxes
> >of new unopened cards.  If I can't find new cards, I may settle for 
> >already sorted complete or partial sets.

You can order them directly from the manufacturer (Star Pics) by calling
800-877-2757, or to find a dealer in your area, call 800-741-4131.

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In article <1991Aug10.190131.26414@unixland.natick.ma.us>, bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
> > 
> > From the Boston GLOB, a few days ago, an article appeared in the
> > "entertainment gossip" section (or whatever the editors officially
> > call it) stating that the movie has resumed shooting and that Kyle
> > M. has agreed to five days of shooting max. The article implied
> > (without any "facts" to back it up) that Lynch would use a different
> > actor to play Cooper for the remainder of the shooting schedule.
> > 
> > What I don't understand is, since this is allegedly a prequel of
> > events leading to LP's death, how much could Cooper be involved
> > since he didn't appear on the scene until after her death?
> > 
> > But, considering Lynch's penchant for parallel universes, dream states
> > and other paranormal phenomena, I suppose that anything is
> > possible:-).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bill Downing, PresidentEmail: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us

Does anyone up there near the real TP know if they have starting any on location shooting?

-Rich Haller

> >
> >Does anyone up there near the real TP know if they have starting any on 
> >location shooting?
> >
> >-Rich Haller


I just visited Snoqualmie and North Bend last weekend, and there was no 
indication of any preparation to film anything.  I would think that rumors 
would have been rampant had any Twin Peaks filming been imminent.

-- Mike Salisbury

In article <1cZJ71w164w@bluemoon.uucp>, kbays@bluemoon.uucp (Ken Bays) writes:
> > The end of episode 2020, with the ominous still shots of a bunch of TP 
> > locations (a series of shots that I think may have some yet-unrealized 
> > significance,) then BOB appearing in the woods.

Speaking of these scenes containing "yet-unrealized significance"...

I've always felt the same way...that is, that there were mysteries
(to be explained later) hidden in, say, the scenes of the hanging
traffic lights, etc.

But something always bothered me about that.  Since TP had so many
different directors, I'm now thinking that these seemingly meaningful
scenes were more likely to have been the expression of the style of
the individual directors.  In that case, any hidden meaning would have
come solely from the perceiption of the viewer...

Hope not, though...I rather like the idea of yet-unexplained meanings...:-)
-- ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Buck | (western religious thinking) UUCP: uunet!dg-rtp!ponds!fibers!mbuck | + (healthy attitude towards sex) | ============================== | = (unexplored concept)

As the subject line indicates, I wonder if anyone would be interested
in collaborating with me to create a chronological arrangement of the
quotes in the several quote lists which have been posted here.  For the
purposes of this list, by "chronological" I mean "the order of airing".
I don't want to get into timeline debates; arranging quotes in
broadcast order (under episode headings) would be fine with me.

In order to bring this off I would need help from others, since I have
no TP tapes and thus no way to pinpoint which quotes go with which
episodes.  I would thus be mostly a clearing house for corrections to
an ever-evolving list.

Is anyone willing to help me do this?   We could do it by Email if
there isn't enough interest to broadcast the intermediate work on the
net.  I expect the initial list would consist of a list of all the
episodes, followed by an unordered list of quotes from the various
quote lists.  We'd then go through a number of iterations doing an
insertion sort.
-- DaviD W. Sanderson (dws@cs.wisc.edu)

I would say that the scene of Laura screaming in the train car was 
undeniably the freakiest thing I've ever seen on television. At the end of 
that episodes my friends and I just sat stunned for a few moments, and 
shivered a bit.
 
Anything with Albert in it, however, I found completely hilarious.
 
Derek Miller

The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
's' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."

What the heck ever happened to that thread, anyway?  Besides the quote
being in that crazy guy's suicide note?


-- "Partir, c'est mourir un peu; et mourir, c'est partir un peu trop." Nabokov, Ada

kbays@bluemoon.uucp (Ken Bays) writes:

> > The only suggestion I would have is to maybe lose the line with Nadine 
> > telling Mike to look what he's been making love to.  It doesn't seem to 
> > fit in with what was really just a humorous subplot.

Naw... that was one of my favorite parts of the pastiche -- the humourous
subplot suddenly turned dark and turned out to be connected to everything.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

This message is to announce the fact that the name of the Twin Peaks 
archive site is changing to:

     audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au

sometime on the 18th of August (ie next Sunday). This means that the
archive is unavaliable during this period, but I hope to make the
downtime as short as possible.

It's basically a domain name change to reflect the fact that we're now
the 'University of South Australia', rather than the 'South Australian 
Institute of Technology'.

Note that the old address should still work for a while, but it won't
be guaranteed.  The IP number (for those of you who don't use DNS) is
staying the same at [130.220.16.88].


Peter Asenstorfer
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In article <1991Aug12.223952.17221@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >Just FYI,
> >Sherilyn recently did a sort of public service announcement
> >to promote reading which airs on MTV.  It consists of Sherilyn reading a
> >steamy novel to some guy in a chair with flashes to some other scene of
> >a younger man sort of walking around with his shirt open.
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

Actually, there's a little more to it than that ... she's reading from 
something by Anais Nin, see? And the guy she's reading to, doesn't know
about the other guy, who is getting dressed and quietly slipping out.
I had to watch a couple of times to pick that up, though. It's odd.

--
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In article <1991Aug12.201212.28895@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, salisbur@june.cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury) writes:
> > 
>> > >
>> > >Does anyone up there near the real TP know if they have starting any on 
>> > >location shooting?
>> > >
>> > >-Rich Haller
> > 
> > 
> > I just visited Snoqualmie and North Bend last weekend, and there was no 
> > indication of any preparation to film anything.  I would think that rumors 
> > would have been rampant had any Twin Peaks filming been imminent.
> > 
> > -- Mike Salisbury

I guess they could be shooting planning to shoot interiors and some exteriors that can be faked down in LA first.  Has COOP heard anything  or do they no longer have any regular contact with Lynch/Frost?

-Rich Haller

 As a real T.P fanactic i'm interseted in any sort of stuff that they
release in connection with the show. For example i have both the diary
and the agent coop book....but i'm interested to know if their is any
thing else which i can lay my hands on.
 I have heard of some 'DIANE' tapes and haven't been able to lay my hands
on a copy yet...so could someone tell me what is in the tapes. Is it 
just parts from the show or other bits that we haven't heard before.
 I have also seen a T.P board game...can anyone elaborate on that.

Unfortunately in Aussie Land we get all this kind of stuff about 6 months
later than you do in the U.S.

I'm just hoping that someone can give me a little bit of info on these 
items ...just to wet my appetite.

P.S. Is their any other stuff i haven't heard about yet!

Brett

I remember a while back an address posted for a site that contained
twin peaks files... does this site still exists and what is the address?

Thanks in advance.


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---------------------------------| That binds a life for life
"Awake on the Verge of Insanity" | A small regret, you won't forget
---------------------------------| There'll be no sleep in here tonight
                                 | "One Slip", _aMLoR_, Pink Floyd

In article <1991Aug12.175749.59@fibers.uucp> mbuck@fibers.uucp writes:
> >different directors, I'm now thinking that these seemingly meaningful
> >scenes were more likely to have been the expression of the style of
> >the individual directors.  In that case, any hidden meaning would have
> >come solely from the perceiption of the viewer...
> >
> >Hope not, though...I rather like the idea of yet-unexplained meanings...:-)
> >-- 

Don't give up on the unexplained meanings yet -- from what I gather, a lot
of those transition shots were taken by David Lynch himself on the first
Snoqualmie shoot, and dropped in later.  So that @#$% traffic light which
keeps turning up probably DOES mean something.  I hope...

Jon
the minimalist .sig

In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> >
> >The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
> >'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
> >
> >What the heck ever happened to that thread, anyway?  Besides the quote
> >being in that crazy guy's suicide note?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  I had a feeling the kid would turn up in the finale
(which, after all, his dad directed), but they've left him hanging.  I have
a feeling the producers decided to forget as much of the unexplained threads
surrounding Laura Palmer as they could, and hope the viewers could do the
same...  :)

Jon
the minimalist .sig

Well, this also answers the latest query on where the ftp site is located...

Peter Asenstorfer, our erudite ftp site administrator, has just informed
me that a file I dropped at the ftp site has now been moved to the usual
/pub/twin-peaks area, in a new Hypercard_Stacks subdirectory.  This is
on audrey.sait.edu.au, or 130.220.16.88.  [Note, Peter will announce next
week, probably, that after Aug. 17 (this Saturday!) the TP archives will
be relocated to audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au.  He expects the IP number to
stay the same.]

The new stack is file /pub/twin-peaks/Hypercard_Stacks/TPBSCompanion.sit.Hqx.
This stands for Twin Peaks Bed Side Companion (version 2.0).  It is by
Mark F. Lewis, and may be freely distributed so long as it is not for
profit, and neither the stack nor the copyright notice is changed.  This
is a great stack, with nicely crossreferenced character relationships, plot
synopses for every episode, some credits, a list of continuity errors, and
other fun stuff.  It was obviously a labor of love for Mark, who did this
work purely from his own research, even though I offered to provide him
with suitable materials from a.t.tp and the ftp site.

The stack has been compressed using Stuffit 1.5.1 and then converted to
simple ASCII by BinHex 4.0.  Using those two applications in reverse
should recover the stack with no other manipulations required.  I believe
you will need HyperCard 2.0 or later to run the stack (and, of course,
a Mac).  There is also a README file in the Stuffit archive, that Mark
asked to be distributed with the stack; it is very short, and is a TeachText
document (TeachText is distributed free by Apple).


Enjoy!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <1991Aug10.190131.26414@unixland.natick.ma.us> bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
> >
> >What I don't understand is, since this is allegedly a prequel of
> >events leading to LP's death, how much could Cooper be involved
> >since he didn't appear on the scene until after her death?
> >

There are a few things that would eventually tie in during the time-frame
of the TP episodes so far.  Coop investigated Theresa Banks' death who we know
was killed by BOB.  Coop's  old partner, Windom Earl, had been looking for
the Black Lodge for quite a while.
These events take place before the pilot episode.  In a prequel, it would be
quite important to show these things, revealing stuff we don't know as well.

I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT BE
at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.


ferenc

I was wondering if the Creamed Corn Kid wasn't connected with
Harold Smith.  When Donna brought Coop back to check on Mrs.
Tremond and her grandson, CCK, they didn't exist. Was the younger
Ms. Tremond tied to the elder Mrs. Tremond, and in following
CCK somehow connected to Harold, in the same way that the giant
was connect with SDC.


Sally---
-- Amore e 'l cor gentil sono una cosa, || Sally A. Wilson si' come i saggio in suo dittare pone || (aka Francesca da Rimi) e cosi' esser l'una sanza l'altro osa || sally@mica.berkeley.edu com'alma razional sanza ragione. (Dante's _Vita_Nouva_, XX)

FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
there is also a TP sketch.  

This could be the last time we see Kyle on television (except maybe on 
talk shows) until TP goes into syndication.

Rocky Giovinazzo

From today's (8/13/91) Hollywood Reporter:

Having acquired international distribution rights to the film version
of David Lynch's "Twin Peaks," the year-old Spelling Films International
is beefing up its sales department with the appointment of Dawn Handler
to the newly created post of vp sales.
[some non-related, silly industry stuff deleted]
"Twin Peaks - Fire, Walk With Me," which SFI picked for international
distribution is the first of David Lynch's three-picture deal with
Cibi 2000, the new production company of the Bouygues Group, headed
by French industrialist Francis Bouygues. With production scheduled
to begin in September, "Twin Peaks" is expected to be one of the
first projects Handler will sell at the October American Film Market.
Handler will also oversee the marketing of SFI' first three films: Mark
Frost's thriller "Storyville," starring James Spader and Jason Robards;
Robert Altman's suspense thriller "The Player"; and the romantic comedy
"Rules of the Game."
[rest of non-related, silly industry stuff article deleted]

There it is. Filming beginning in September.

-Theron Trowbridge
trowbrid@usc.edu
AppleLink: D7029
^

From today's (8/13/91) Hollywood Reporter:

Having acquired international distribution rights to the film version
of David Lynch's "Twin Peaks," the year-old Spelling Films International
is beefing up its sales department with the appointment of Dawn Handler
to the newly created post of vp sales.
[some non-related, silly industry stuff deleted]
   "Twin Peaks - Fire, Walk With Me," which SFI picked for international
distribution is the first of David Lynch's three-picture deal with
Cibi 2000, the new production company of the Bouygues Group, headed
by French industrialist Francis Bouygues.  With production scheduled
to begin in September, "Twin Peaks" is expected to be one of the
first projects Handler will sell at the October American Film Market.
   Handler will also oversee the marketing of SFI' first three films: Mark
Frost's thriller "Storyville," starring James Spader and Jason Robards;
Robert Altman's suspense thriller "The Player"; and the romantic comedy
"Rules of the Game."
[rest of non-related, silly industry stuff article deleted]

There it is.  Filming beginning in September. 

-Theron Trowbridge
trowbrid@usc.edu
AppleLink: D7029
^

In article <1991Aug14.055258.28744@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
> >MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
> >who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
> >there is also a TP sketch.  

Strange...that will make it the third time it has been shown.  Strange, 
considering it wasn't even a very good episode, except for Kyle and
Mike Myers as the Scottish father & son, and the last line of the show
("Hi everybody, I'm K.D. Lang").
-- ___ "We dream of the mating season johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu /__ ___ Feel the coming tidal wave as755@cleveland.Freenet.Edu <__/raham / We want to run but cannot move K. <_/ohnson Cause we're embedded in concrete" -- Front 242