Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

> >twinpks0 - Sherilynn Fenn bent over head resting on hand

Anyone know where the Sherilynn Fenn shots from Playboy are archived?  ;)

     << Brian >>

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dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:

>> > >The script, co-written by Lynch and Bob Engels, focuses
>> > >on the last seven days in the life of Laura Palmer (Sheryl
>> > >Lee). For the first time, Laura's murder by her father
>> > >Leland (Ray Wise) will be shown in all its gruesome detail.
> > 
> > So, does this mean that Ronette's sequence at the end of episode 2001
> > was all a dream?

Not exactly. Ronette saw Bob, in Leland's body, kill Laura. Her sequence
showed was was happening on a soul-plane, as it were, whereas what the
movie may show is what was physically visible. This is similar to Maddy's
murder, where we saw frequent switches between the two viewpoints.
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In <17613@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

> >Here goes :-
> >1) Diane - Who (or what) is Diane.  My own personal theory is that Diane
> >was created by Coop (May I call him that?) to make talking into his
> >Dictaphone easier - kinds of fits his personality, huh?

Diane is his secretary in the FBI.  If you remember she occasionally
sends him stuff (i.e. the earplugs that are the tasteless gumdrop in
Coop's dream).  So we must assume that he regularly sends the tapes in
to her for her use.

> >2) The Black/White lodge - Are these two separate places?  Current
> >postings seem to suggest that they may be one and the same.  Also any
> >info on the lodges would be appreciated.  Info in the series was
> >somewhat abstract (but then so was the series!)

who knows.  maybe we'll find out one of these days in a movie.  lots 
of speculations abound.

> >3) Are the giant and the old man one and the same?  Events in the show
> >strongly suggest this and if so is the giant one of the Bob type spirits
> >(a good one) currently in possession of the old man? (Does the old man
> >even exist?)

see above.

> >4) Why did Windom Earl suddenly abandon his game of chess?  I thought
> >that this was a damn fine (sorry!) story line and was sorry to see it
> >fade away.  I would have like to have seen it integrated into the Lodge
> >plot, but one seemed to have usurped the other.
> >(Not really a question was it?)

i think both he and the writers got impatient.

> >5) How does Coop fit into the TP movie?  He only appeared in TP after
> >Laura was killed didn't he?

the phrase "last seven days of laura's life" has been overused.  i believe
a correct assumption is "the events leading up to laura's death."  since
thera banks' death is closely tied to laura's, it will be covered in the
movie as well.  and since Coop and the FBI investigated her death, they
will be in the movie as well.  it would be an inconsistency error if
any of the FBI showed up in the town of Twin Peaks in the movie,
since Cooper is shown entering the town a for the first time couple of
days after her death.  it didn't take him long to get there, so he must
have been close by, or the urgency of the case was heavy.

> >6) What happened to Donna between the 1st and 2nd series.  Did she under
> >go a personality transplant or were there more sinister goings on =8->

we may just find out, according to TVGuide.

> >7) Ummm... There is no number 7, sorry.

> >Also, before I go, a request - Would anybody out there care to mail me a
> >list of the cast and the characters they played?

> >Thanks in advance,
> >  Mark

> >-- 
> >? Dreams are the fantasies which children cherish ? Mark Steyn :        
> >? Nightmares are the realities adults create      ? marks@castle.ed.ac.uk
> >? There are no Unicorns anymore.                  ? mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

In article <kp1m4sINN4l8@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >Some Spoilers concerning the Coop autobiography and the upcoming movie...
> >
> >In article <gn83lu8@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>> >>In <1992Feb5.194752.12983@athena.mit.edu> dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:
>> >>
>>> >>>In article <1992Feb4.150916.16280@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
>>>> >>>>skull of Teresa Banks (Pamela Gidley) with a pipe.
>> >>
>>> >>>I thought that this was just the last week of Laura's life?  Theresa
>>> >>>Banks was killed in February 1988; Laura was killed on February 23, 1989.
>> >>
>> >>We could have assumed this already.  How else would Cooper and
>> >>the FBI get involved?  The whole investigation began with Theresa,
>> >>and Laura was just the second stop.
>> >>
>> >>sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
> >
> >A while back on the net there was mention that the movie would also
> >encompass the Teresa Banks' murder, and also some of the early Windom
> >Earle stuff....So, since the article mentioned that the movie will
> >included Teresa's murder then will it also include some of Coop's
> >history with Windom???
> >
> >
> >On Jan. 7, 88 Coop, according to the Coop autobiography, received a
> >tape from Windom with two poems on it. Then on the 17th, he speaks
> >of examing a young woman, Teresa. So will this be tied in too? Is
> >WE involved in the murder of Teresa also?  I have always wondered
> >if the murder of Laura wasn't a means to get Coop involved and thus
> >drawn to to Twin Peaks.
> >
> >
> >PS I have not heard mention of Julee Cruise; is she going to be in
> >the movie too? It won't seem the same without her melancoly voice...
> >

No mention of BOB either, although I assume that he is going to appear
at some point in FWWM since he is in possession of Leland...

Bill



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In article <10932@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <2995@io.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) writes:
>> >> By the way, in Ronnette's dream sequence, Bob was hitting Laura
>> >> (or the floor) with a blue-handled hammer.  This is the hammer
>> >> that was lying on the floor during Cooper's flashlight search
>> >> of the boxcar.
> >
> >Maybe you've got good eyes, but *I* couldn't see any hammer, much less
> >a blue-handled one, in that shot.  Plus, I thought Laura died of
> >multiple small cuts?

When the episode with Ronnette's dream came out, several of us spent
almost an hour freeze-framing through that short sequence.  It's very
hard to make anything out, but once we figured out it was a hammer it
was quite visible.  There's a short shot of it lying on the floor of
the boxcar.  Get out your tape and take a close look - you'll see it.

My memory is hazy on two things.  I thought we went back to the
original boxcar-search episode and saw the hammer there as well,
but I'm not really sure about that.  I also don't remember if we
actually saw Bob swing the hammer in the dream sequence; it's been
a long time since I watched it.

However, I know the hammer appears in that scene, and I'm quite
sure Lynch put it there for a reason.

- Steve
-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Half a mind is a terrible Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA thing to waste..." tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Zippy the Pinhead

With all the discussion of Twin Peaks GIF's and JPEG and sound files, I'm 
wondering whether anyone has found (or created on their own) any Twin 
Peaks QuickTime movies for the Macintosh.  Just think of the fun!!  Full 
motion video ootage of all our favorite Peaks quotes!!

So... where are they?  :-)

-- John

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>> >>6) What happened to Donna between the 1st and 2nd series.  Did she under
>> >>go a personality transplant or were there more sinister goings on =8->
> >
> >we may just find out, according to TVGuide.

which issue of tv guide is this in?  i don't normally read it, but if there is
something good on twin peaks i'll try to find the issue.  

(please respond by e-mail, as our site only holds news articles for a day
and i may be off-net for the weekend.  needless to say, i miss a good bit of the
info that crosses this newsgroup.)

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In article <1992Feb6.095007.19869@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
> >I think you're a bit confused here. The pilot movie was originally filmed
> >as it was broadcast on TV as part of the series. The American ABC network
> >had already committed to a series, so there wasn't really a question of
> >it never getting off the ground.

I don't think so -- standard practice is for a series commitment to wait
until after the network has seen a pilot.  Besides, if that had really
been the case, and there was a series commitment, then why would they
have bothered shooting the additional scenes at all?  The Europeans would
probably have wanted to release the additional episodes of the series
as well -- more videotapes, more sales -- and they wouldn't have wanted
the quick-and-dirty wrap-up.

> >So the home video version was an after-the-fact creation, and not planned
>from the start.

How could that be?  The ending scenes were shot in Snoqualmie, with the
same crew as the pilot.  As far as I can tell, the morgue used in the
additional scenes is the location one used in the pilot, not the later
studio re-creation, and Coop's bedroom looks different from the studio
version too.  I think the ending was definitely tacked-on, but it was
tacked-on pretty early on.

marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

> > It's been a while since I've seen Twin-Peaks, but now that I've
> > discovered this new group I have one or two questions.
> > These have probably been discusses a dozen time already but, hey, I'm
> > new!
> > 
> > Here goes :-
> > 1) Diane - Who (or what) is Diane.  My own personal theory is that Diane
> > was created by Coop (May I call him that?) to make talking into his
> > Dictaphone easier - kinds of fits his personality, huh?
> > 
> > 2) The Black/White lodge - Are these two separate places?  Current
> > postings seem to suggest that they may be one and the same.  Also any
> > info on the lodges would be appreciated.  Info in the series was
> > somewhat abstract (but then so was the series!)
> > 
> > 3) Are the giant and the old man one and the same?  Events in the show
> > strongly suggest this and if so is the giant one of the Bob type spirits
> > (a good one) currently in possession of the old man? (Does the old man
> > even exist?)
> > 
> > 4) Why did Windom Earl suddenly abandon his game of chess?  I thought
> > that this was a damn fine (sorry!) story line and was sorry to see it
> > fade away.  I would have like to have seen it integrated into the Lodge
> > plot, but one seemed to have usurped the other.
> > (Not really a question was it?)
> > 
> > 5) How does Coop fit into the TP movie?  He only appeared in TP after
> > Laura was killed didn't he?
> > 
> > 6) What happened to Donna between the 1st and 2nd series.  Did she under
> > go a personality transplant or were there more sinister goings on =8->
> > 
> > 7) Ummm... There is no number 7, sorry.
> > 
> > Also, before I go, a request - Would anybody out there care to mail me a
> > list of the cast and the characters they played?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> >   Mark
> > 
> > -- 
> > ? Dreams are the fantasies which children cherish ? Mark Steyn :        
> > ? Nightmares are the realities adults create      ? marks@castle.ed.ac.uk
> > ? There are no Unicorns anymore.                  ? mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk


I thought Dian was his secritary and that he mailed her the taped whith his 
observations and things for her to do.

Yes, the Giant and the Old Man are the same

Coop was investigating the Banks case whitch is related to this one (same 
killer)

dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:

> > [stuff deleted]
>> > >The script, co-written by Lynch and Bob Engels, focuses
>> > >on the last seven days in the life of Laura Palmer (Sheryl
>> > >Lee). For the first time, Laura's murder by her father
>> > >Leland (Ray Wise) will be shown in all its gruesome detail.
> > 
> > So, does this mean that Ronette's sequence at the end of episode 2001
> > was all a dream?
> > 
 
I believe we saw the "spirit" point of view during that sequence, mainly
because showing the physical killer (Leland) would have given it all
away!

>> > >In another scene of Lynchian luridness, Leland crushes the
>> > >skull of Teresa Banks (Pamela Gidley) with a pipe.
> > 
> > I thought that this was just the last week of Laura's life?  Theresa
> > Banks was killed in February 1988; Laura was killed on February 23, 1989.
> > 

As quoted in the TV Guide article, the movie "focuses" on those last 
seven days.  But they won't be able to make any sense of that last week 
without the use of flashbacks!  The writers used flashbacks constantly to 
explain things in the TV series.  No reason to assume they won't do the 
same in FWWM.  [aside: I wonder if the acronym FWWM will enter movie 
criticism, like GWTW...]

>> > >As her diary indicated in the series, Laura's final days
>> > >are spent in the fast lane -- it seems that only by
>> > >engaging in nihilistic behavior can she avoid the evil
>> > >spirit Bob. Her sex scenes include such participants as
>> > >boyfriend Bobby Briggs (Dana Ashbrook), James Hurley
>> > >(James Marshall), Jacques Renault (Walter Olkewicz), Leo
>> > >Johnson (Eric Da Re), an unknown truck driver and a
>> > >threesome including Teresa Banks and Ronette Pulaski
>> > >(Phoebe Augustine).
> > 
> > All in one week?  "Laura was a wild girl." "Tell me about it."
> > 
> > Teresa Banks knew Laura?  This is new information, I believe.
> > 

Interesting...nothing about Teresa Banks' murder in Laura's diary.  
Perhaps they are just acquaintances...who probably got to know each other 
working at OEJ.  And what is Leland's relationship with Teresa?  So far,
it seems Leland/Bob hasn't killed anyone he didn't know (with the possible
exception of Jacques Renault, but I'll bet there's more to Jacques'
murder than has been shown).
 
>> > >More surprising, though, are the lax morals displayed
>> > >by Laura's best girlfriend, the seemingly saintly Donna
>> > >Hayward (now played by Moira Kelly as a result of Lara
>> > >Flynn Boyle's unavailability), who tries to keep up with
>> > >Laura's frantic pace.
> > 
> > Yet another episode in the Donna Multiple Personality saga.
> > 

You'd have a personality problem, too, if you had been brought up by Doc 
Haywood and you had Horne blood in your veins!  But this is the Major Theme
of Twin Peaks...practically Everyone in the whole town has more than one 
personality.  (Even that soap opera had a multiple personality sub-plot in
it).

>> > >Series fans will be relieved to know that almost all of
>> > >the major characters will appear on the big screen, with
>> > >the addition of David Bowie as a time-traveling FBI
>> > >agent,
> > 
> > Time-traveling?  This film is looking better and better.
> > 

Yes, for me too.  I was trying to psych myself out about FWWM, because, 
having been without TP for so long, I'm ripe for a letdown.  Plus there 
was a posting that said something about "disappointing"...and we should 
be prepared for something like that, since we are so involved with it.  
But I'm up again...plus, remember that the TV Guide writers (Stephen 
Galloway & Timothy Carlson) are looking only at a script!  David Lynch is 
bound to make some changes; he almost always does, in order to get his 
"atmosphere"...and that's what Lynch is best at...and why I've followed 
Lynch, since _Eraserhead_, wherever he goes.

It looks as though we in the US haven't got a firm release date, yet, but 
the reliable word is "probably in August", from the gentleman who called 
Lynch Frost Productions.  This is as "official" as you can get about such 
things.

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> >twinpks0 - Sherilynn Fenn bent over head resting on hand
> >twinpks1 - promotional shot: Dana Ashbrook (Bobby), Eric Da Re (Leo),
> >           and Madchen Amick (Shelley) (appeared in Newsweek)
> >twinpks2 - Lara Flynn Boyle (Donna) in jeans, sitting
> >twinpks3 - head and shoulders shot of smiling Kyle MacLachlan (Dale) 
> >           wearing a trenchcoat

A couple more TP images are now available at nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) -

tpeaks04.jpg       95237        574x815    M{dchen Amick
tpeaks05.jpg       106887       571x805    M{dchen Amick
tpeaks06.jpg       55502        529x435    Laura Palmer's funeral
tpeaks07.jpg       65989        332x708    M{dchen Amick as Shelly Johnson

All files have a 24-bit colour map thus containing only ~30000 colours.

(and YES, her name is written with a umlaut-a. let's hope we'll move someday
 to using ISO or Unicode)

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I know this must be a common question, sorry I don't read this news group.
I just saw "Wild at Heart" last night and am now determined to find the
twin peaks episodes on tape.  Unfortunately I only caught two episodes
of the show, one being the finale.  What an experience! 
I would be eternally greatful to someone that can point me to a source.

Thanks,
-ross

In article <6FEB199211575901@judy.uh.edu>, inde6nw@judy.uh.edu (92S02648) writes:
|> In article <KWH.92Feb3151134@ASWAN.SD.RI.CMU.EDU>, kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes...
|> > 
|> >There was a posting here a while back that listed all of
|> >the actors that were on TP and the other roles each had played.
|> 
|>  I just started on this newsgroup, can someone re-post this list or mail 
|> it to me, and how current is this list?
|> 
|>                    James

I'll mail you a current copy, although I plan to post an updated copy in a
couple weeks.

It's kept very current, thanks to Sight & Sound magazine, the L. A. Times
Sunday Calendar, amd the readers of a.t.t-p.

-- David E. Coufal dcoufal@athena.mit.edu "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like. And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

This Monday's (February 10) episode of Darkwing Duck (shown on the
Disney Afternoon show) will be "Twin Beaks", a new episode poking fun
at TP.  Thought you'd like to know.
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.   starback@meryl.csd.uu.se
         "The cows are not what they seem."

kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays at Blue Moon BBS) wrote:
> >  We will see Laura's murder, as well as that of Teresa Banks (played by
> >  Pamela Gidley: who's she?), who's skull is crushed with a pipe by Leland.

Pamela Gidley starred in "Liebestraum" along with Kevin Anderson (the nice
guy in "Sleeping With the Enemy") and Kim Novak. IMHO she both looks great
and acts very well. FWWM looks more appealing all the time.

By the way, if you're into seriously weird and twisted flicks you could do
worse than "Liebestraum". It opened in the UK during January to widely
differing reviews. It's main claims to fame are the presence of Kim Novak
and the fact that the deliciously OTT `brothel scene' that appeared in the
UK version was cut from the US version. The `brothel scene' has some
very Lynch-like aspects. The `micturition scene' was hilarious. The whole
thing was seriously strange. As Bill and Ted would say: absolutely
non-non-non-non-heinous.

Patrick Hyland
(pjh@hplb.hpl.hp.com)

So last night, I'm poking around the video store, looking for something to
view.  Leaping out at me is a particularly stunning picture of a woman who
looks very much like Madchen Amick, the lovely Shelly Johnson of Our show
of choice.  I figure "what the hell, I'm in need of a Shelly hit" and rent
the thing.

*Large* error.

I'M DANGEROUS TONIGHT is just another in a long line of loser films.  Madchen
stars as a shy co-ed who comes across a red cloak of Aztec origins that 
happens to be haunted.  She makes a dress out of it.  (Don't ask.)  Strange
things happen to her when she wears it.  If it didn't look so damned good on
her (there's a particularly scrumptious scene at a formal dance---and here I
thought provocative dancing was Audrey's bailiwick), it'd be funny.

Anyway, it Sucks Real Bad (tm).  Also stars Mary Frann as Madchen's alcoholic
aunt, Dee Wallace Stone as an assassin of some sort with a really bad wig who
couldn't possibly fit in the same dress that Madchen does but does anyway, and
(the capper) Anthony Perkins, delivering his best role since, oh, I'd have to
go back to CRIMES OF PASSION, as a professor who seems to be something of an 
expert on events that unfold in the film.  Directed by Tobe Hooper, who gave us
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and POLTERGEIST.

Look at the picture of Madchen on the box all you want, gang, but do *not*
waste your time or money on a viewing.

Say, any word on Madchen's presence/absence in FIRE WALK WITH ME?
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>> >>tpeaks00 - Sherilynn Fenn bent over head resting on hand
>> >>tpeaks01 - promotional shot: Dana Ashbrook (Bobby), Eric Da Re (Leo),
>> >>           and Madchen Amick (Shelley) (appeared in Newsweek)
>> >>tpeaks02 - Lara Flynn Boyle (Donna) in jeans, sitting
>> >>tpeaks03 - head and shoulders shot of smiling Kyle MacLachlan (Dale) 
>> >>           wearing a trenchcoat
> > 
> > A couple more TP images are now available at nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) -
> > 
> > tpeaks04.jpg       95237        574x815    M{dchen Amick
> > tpeaks05.jpg       106887       571x805    M{dchen Amick
> > tpeaks06.jpg       55502        529x435    Laura Palmer's funeral
> > tpeaks07.jpg       65989        332x708    M{dchen Amick as Shelly Johnson


All these files are available now on audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.16.88]
in the directory pub/twin-peaks/JPGS.

As for the Sherilyn Fenn shots, there are a few in the directory
pub/twin-peaks/GIFS/Fenn.


Peter Asenstorfer
<peter@audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au>

haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross MacGregor) writes:

> >I know this must be a common question, sorry I don't read this news group.
> >I just saw "Wild at Heart" last night and am now determined to find the
> >twin peaks episodes on tape.  Unfortunately I only caught two episodes
> >of the show, one being the finale.  What an experience! 
> >I would be eternally greatful to someone that can point me to a source.

> >Thanks,
> >-ross 

Videos of the first season's episodes have been made available by Worldvision
Home Video. The Collector's Series - 7 videos, NOT INCLUDING the made-for-tv
pilot episode - costs $99.95 (suggested) and $14.95 for individual episodes.
Prices slightly higher in Canada. If you're unable to find it at your local
store, call 1-800-237-7100. I feel like I'm in a commercial, so I'll stop here.
Hopefully, the second season's episodes will also be made available.

--
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                                          --Albert Rosenfield (Twin Peaks)
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In article <2995@io.tegra.COM> phillips@tegra.UUCP (Steve Phillips) writes:
> >In article <1992Feb5.194752.12983@athena.mit.edu> dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:
>> >>In article <1992Feb4.150916.16280@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
>>> >>>...
>>> >>>Lee). For the first time, Laura's murder by her father
>>> >>>Leland (Ray Wise) will be shown in all its gruesome detail.
>> >>
>> >>So, does this mean that Ronette's sequence at the end of episode 2001
>> >>was all a dream?
> >
> >Of course not.  Ronnette saw Leland (in his Bob guise) killing
> >Laura.  When Leland killed Maddy, it appeared that she was able
> >to see Leland as Bob then, too.

My question was meant to be a little less literal than that.  What
I meant was: Was the end of episode 2001 an actual representation
of what Ronette saw on the night of Laura's death, or was it a
nightmare/dream only based on the events of that night?

My original posting failed to make this distinction clear.

> >I can't remember the details, but I thought the connection
> >between Laura and Teresa Banks was established during the
> >series.  Didn't Teresa work at one-eyed Jack's or something?

No connection was ever established, although Teresa Banks did
place an ad in "Flesh World."  We've never had any indication
that Laura and Teresa knew each other, however.

> >By the way, in Ronnette's dream sequence, Bob was hitting Laura
> >(or the floor) with a blue-handled hammer.  This is the hammer
> >that was lying on the floor during Cooper's flashlight search
> >of the boxcar.

Your TV must have much better resolution than mine; I've never
observed anything like a hammer in that scene.  In fact, if
you were reading this group way back when the episode was originally
aired, you may remember a very long discussion on the possibility
that Bob was hitting Laura with his hands in order to perform CPR!

--
David E. Coufal                                          dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to
  see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch
           "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

In article <1992Feb10.030932.10619@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> motd@coos.dartmouth.edu (Peter A. Jolicoeur) writes:
<
<Videos of the first season's episodes have been made available by Worldvision
<Home Video. 
[---]
<Hopefully, the second season's episodes will also be made available.

All episodes are apparently available on a Japanese laserdisc boxed set
for something like $600, which is not bad considering it has to be imported
and the cost of a single episode comes to ~$20.

Is the VHS first season series in *stereo*?  I have taped only
the very last episode in stereo and the sound is *amazing*.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

  I saw this when it was a USA original movie.  I noticed that
the movie is rated 'R' on video.  Has anyone seen both
versions?  Is there any difference or are they just trying to
get the slasher crowd to pick it up?

This may be old news to some of you people out there, but the actress
who played Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks (I've forgotten her name. Oh, the
shame, the shame) was in "Beverly Hills _____" (whatever the hell that
number is 29210?)

Normally, I don't watch the show, it's just started her in Australia - been
running for about a month, I think but I was staying with some friend's
relatives and their daughter watches the show religiously. End of Disclaimer.

Anyway.

Aforesaid actress played a "free spirit" who Brandon fancies. She's going into
all this detail about this herbal wrap she's tried. To paraphrase: all these
essential oils are rubbed in your body (she lists a few) and then the body is
wrapped in plastic.

This prompted the shout "She's dead! Wrapped in plastic!" (with full vibrato
effects) annoying aforementioned daughter. But, hey, _I_ thought it was funny.
Guess you had to be there.

Leanne Richard
University of Newcastle.

dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:

> > In article <1992Feb4.150916.16280@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.co
>> > >This is from TV GUIDE (Feb 8-14, 1992), from the "TV News Update" section,
>> > >reprinted without permission:
>> > >
>> > >The script, co-written by Lynch and Bob Engels, focuses
>> > >on the last seven days in the life of Laura Palmer (Sheryl
>> > >Lee). For the first time, Laura's murder by her father
>> > >Leland (Ray Wise) will be shown in all its gruesome detail.
> > 
> > So, does this mean that Ronette's sequence at the end of episode 2001
> > was all a dream?

Maybe (this is a TP after all). But probably Bob just appeared to
Ronette as Bob, rather than Leland. Although, Bob also appeared as Bob
when he killed Maddy - the other explanation is that the TV Guide
article was written from the writer's knowledge of the story, rather
than having seen actual movie footage.

>> > >In another scene of Lynchian luridness, Leland crushes the
>> > >skull of Teresa Banks (Pamela Gidley) with a pipe.
> > 
> > I thought that this was just the last week of Laura's life?  Theresa
> > Banks was killed in February 1988; Laura was killed on February 23, 1989.

They probably just use a flashback or something. Or maybe the
description of the film as "just the last week" is not entirely
accurate?

                                                - k

--
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Say the secret word and you win $100.

Just a few comments on the recent cast posting. Isn't a lot being assumed
below with regard to whether the below people are dead or not.


> >    Special Agent Dale Bartholomew Cooper                Kyle MacLachlan
> >    Special Agent Windom Earle             [dead]          Kenneth Welsh

If Window Earle is dead, killed by Bob, surely Coop is dead too.
Didn't Hawk say if you didn't have to courage to face up, you would be
utterly vanquished. Coop ran.


> >    Andrew Packard              [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
> >    Pete Martell            [Catherine's husband] [dead]      Jack Nance

I probably agree here, but the explosion looked didn't seem
*THAT* big, even though Andrew's glasses ended up in the tree. Also,
Lynch surely can't kill of Jack Nance's character !!


> >    Audrey Horne                       [dead]              Sherilyn Fenn
> >    Benjamin Horne   [Audrey's father]                    Richard Beymer

For Audrey, see above. Why not kill Ben too, the force his head hit
the Hayward fireplace.

> >    Leo Johnson      [husband]                                Eric Da Re

Leo too, Archnophibia !!!!!


> >    Jason Denbo ("Montana")                                 Rick Giolito
> >
He was killed in ITL wasn't he ??????????????

Neil

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Wall Street Journal, Feb. 10, 1992, p.B7B, reprinted without permission:

"  NEW YORK - Remember 'Twin Peaks'? The loopy and sinister series on
the ABC network seized the attention of viewers and critics in 1990, but
then deteriorated into an industry joke before ABC killed it in June
1991.
"  To prevent this costly mistake - letting a series with limited
potential stay on past its useful run - ABC is introducing sort of
midi-series, longer than a four-hour miniseries but shorter than the
regular series run of 13 to 22 episodes.
"  The Capital Cities/ABC Inc. unit is enlisting novelist Judith Krantz
and movie director Oliver Stone to shepherd the new form, which ABC
calls the 'event series.'  Terms weren't disclosed.  Ms. Krantz has
written several best-selling novels, which have been turned into
miniseries on rival networks.  Mr. Stone's movies include 'JFK,' 'Wall
Street' and 'Platoon.'
"  ABC executives said the new approach is a way to use high-profile
talent and big budgets to ensure a low-risk success, then drop the show
when the talent departs for other projects.  Film director David Lynch
was heavily involved in 'Twin Peaks' at the start but soon left the
series to others.
"  If 'Twin Peaks' had settled for just a limited run and disappeared
after revealing who killed Laura Palmer, 'it would have been hailed as
landmark television.  Instead we expected it to be a multiple-year
series,' but it didn't have 'creative strength,' said ABC Entertainment
President Roger A. Iger.
"  Each midi-series would last six to eight hours and would be aired on
a weekly basis at the same time and on the same night.  ABC said it
signed Ms. Krantz to a long-range agreement for two 'event series' and
three other projects, including a miniseries of her forthcoming novel,
'Scruples Two,' and two original two-hour movies based on Krantz
stories.
"  Neither ABC nor Mr. Stone's production company, Ixtlan Corp., would
comment on the director's project.  ABC also signed Steven Spielberg to
create a two-hour movie, 'Class of '61,' which may become a midi-series
or regular series."

neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
> > 
> > Just a few comments on the recent cast posting. Isn't a lot being assumed
> > below with regard to whether the below people are dead or not.
> > 
> > 
>> > >    Special Agent Dale Bartholomew Cooper                Kyle MacLachlan
>> > >    Special Agent Windom Earle             [dead]          Kenneth Welsh
> > 
> > If Window Earle is dead, killed by Bob, surely Coop is dead too.
> > Didn't Hawk say if you didn't have to courage to face up, you would be
> > utterly vanquished. Coop ran.
 
The exact words of Hawk: "...if you confront the Black Lodge with 
imperfect courage, it will utterly annihilate your soul".  WE entered the 
Lodges using the key of Fear, Coop used the key of Love.  But WE's 
courage was imperfect, he tried to do something he was spiritually 
incapable of, which is to take someones soul.  For that, BOB took his 
soul.  BOB couldn't take Coop's soul, but Coop had compromised himself by 
accepting WE's offer...he was so in love, he would sacrifice his soul.
This may be romantic, but it is not spiritually courageous.  For this, 
Coop lost control, and his shadow self regained it.  Coop is not dead, he 
has been split into two - good Coop and bad Coop.  Bad Coop now has the 
upper hand.  Cooper is alive...he just isn't in very good shape.
 
>> > >    Andrew Packard              [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
>> > >    Pete Martell            [Catherine's husband] [dead]      Jack Nance
>> > >    Audrey Horne                       [dead]              Sherilyn Fenn
>> > >    Benjamin Horne   [Audrey's father]                    Richard Beymer
> > 

I agree with Neil, these are not known facts.  Perhaps [dead?] expresses 
their status better.  BTW, I thought the glasses belonged to the old 
wheezing bank manager.  Ben Horne deserves a [dead?] desgination too.
 
>> > >    Leo Johnson      [husband]                                Eric Da Re
> > 
> > Leo too, Archnophibia !!!!!
> > 
Leo could very well die of fright in his predicament.  But in his case, I 
woudn't give him a [dead?] designation.

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In article <4637@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
[about people being listed as dead]

>> >>    Leo Johnson      [husband]                                Eric Da Re

> >Leo too, Archnophibia !!!!!
I doubt that Leo would die in that situation.  Except for small
children and infants, people don't generally die from spider bites.

>> >>    Jason Denbo ("Montana")                                 Rick Giolito

> >He was killed in ITL wasn't he ??????????????

He was shot at least.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1992Feb10.183905.3558@athena.mit.edu> dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) writes:
> >In article <2995@io.tegra.COM> phillips@tegra.UUCP (Steve Phillips) writes:
>> >>By the way, in Ronnette's dream sequence, Bob was hitting Laura
>> >>(or the floor) with a blue-handled hammer.  This is the hammer
>> >>that was lying on the floor during Cooper's flashlight search
>> >>of the boxcar.
> >
> >Your TV must have much better resolution than mine; I've never
> >observed anything like a hammer in that scene.  In fact, if
> >you were reading this group way back when the episode was originally
> >aired, you may remember a very long discussion on the possibility
> >that Bob was hitting Laura with his hands in order to perform CPR!

Well, I guess as I get older my memory must be starting to go... :^)

I blew the dust off my old TP tapes last night and checked out the
two scenes we were talking about - Ronette's dream sequence in the
second-season kickoff episode, and Cooper's search of the boxcar in
the original pilot.  Contrary to my previous posting, the hammer
does not appear in Ronnette's dream.

It does, however, show up in the original pilot, in the scene where
Cooper and Truman search the boxcar with a flashlight.  When Cooper
shines his flashlight around, you first see a bloody white rag, then
the hammer, then a mound of dirt with the necklace on it.  The hammer
has another rag wrapped around the handle, and it has a blue fiberglass
neck.  It's kind of hard to make out in freeze-frame, but once you
figure out its orientation it's clearly visible as the flashlight
sweeps over it.

I hope I'm not rehashing old ground here - I used to read this
newsgroup back in the beginning, but I stopped when it got huge.
I just couldn't keep up with 1000+ articles a week.

Happy hunting...

Steve

-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Half a mind is a terrible Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA thing to waste..." tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Zippy the Pinhead

Greetings and salivations, fellow net.readers!
As the subject line suggests, the following is a compilation of comments
on the parody of "Twin Peaks".  Due to the heavy episode referencing...


** SPOILER ALERT "Twin Beaks" ** SPOILER ALERT "Twin Beaks" ** SPOILER ALERT **





From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 17:12:33 CST
Subject: Twin Beaks Impressions + Tomorrow's Episodes

Just got finished watching "Twin Beaks."  What do I think???

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I was in a state of disbelief the entire episode!  This one elevates
Darkwing to a completely new level!  At this point, I don't think
anything can top "Twin Beaks."  Someone at a certain Disney studio
has a *very* warped sense of humour....
(And are you *absolutely* sure that the David Lynch in the credits
is just a ordinary technician type person???)


From: Ben Cohen <ben@st.canard.spc.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1992 18:53 EST
Subject: Re: Twin Beaks Impressions + Tomorrow's Episodes

Indeed. This episode was _definitely_ brought to us by the American
Non-Sequiter Society. ["We don't make sense, but we do like pizza."]
   Nice to see Binky and Herb acting as baddies (again).
   I guess this episode confirms the (generally held) opinion that Bushroot
would be _much_ better off if he could just get into a good support group.

   How would I rate this episode? Hmmm... Right up there with Life, certainly.
I'm tempted to say it's the best one so far, but then I remember Twitching,
Negaduck, Disguise, Justice Ducks, etc., so I'd probably have to just say it's
_real_ good.


From: spc55721@ih-nxt02.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven P. Calica)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 17:08:04 CST
Subject: Twin Beaks

I hear these subconscious voices calling...

What can I say when I've only seen one episode of "Twin Peaks"?

Short stuff I noticed well:
-> LP and the psychic stuff, especially the pyramid.
-> DW using three pyramids, and ending up in a nightmare of a dream.
-> How they got rid of "Bushroot" by throwing him into the river wrapped
   in plastic.
-> The diner and the bad coffee. (unless it's nationally known...)

Really out-of-the-way stuff:
-> What?!  No "I am the terror..." quotes?!  ACK!!!
-> When Bushroot appeared in the dream, I knew that he was destined to
   help DW in some sort of way.  (after all, they can't kill off a
   cartoon character without some sort of "extra-special" explanation)
-> The food issue: DW telling the cow that it's gross to eat the cabbage,
   and the cow replying if DW ever ate steak.

BTW, nice background music... almost fits the exact pattern of the
original show.
Oops, one little itty-bitty thing: when DW first met Truddi, did he seem
to like her?  (must've been the eye-patch)

It's episodes like these that make me want to work weekends so I can
earn enough money to get a VCR!


Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 17:13:13 -0800
Subject: Twin Beaks
Reply-To: Rob Menke <rgm@cory.berkeley.edu>

(Remember me?  I was here near the beginning, but unfortunately I took the
last month off to get a life... As soon as I get through the 150+ backlogged
letters, I'll start throwing in some additional comments.)

I'm going to have to go against the apparent majority on this one-- I thought
it was fine until they INTRODUCED THE COWS!  Yes, we all know someone is
a major Gary Larson fan(atic), but do they have to rub our noses in it?
It just seemed out of place, somehow.


From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 7:20:33 CST
Subject: Alice, pudding... pudding, Alice...

SPC: The food issue: DW telling the cow that it's gross to eat the cabbage,
     and the cow replying if DW ever ate steak.

I couldn't figure that one out. Why did Dark think it was gross that they
ate the cabbages?

SPC: Oops, one little itty-bitty thing: when DW first met Truddi, did he seem
     to like her?

I noticed that. Morgana, your MAN is STRAYING!


From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 5:23:49 CST
Subject: Twin Beaks

Ack!  It's raining here again.  You Californians think you have it
bad cause it only rains once every 7 years.  You should try living
someplace where average yearly rainfall is 50 inches....

Comments on Twin Beaks:
"You'd think I was the only vegetable that went bad."  Is that why
they kept wrapping him in plastic?  Tho try as I might, I couldn't
figure out what Gosalyn said in response to DW's remark about finding
Bushroot wrapped up in plastic.

Excellent editing when they cut from the bright light in the jail cell 
to the closeup of the Thunderquack.  

Notice Launchpad flying the Thunderquack with his feet?  Did that
remind you of anyone?

LP reading his "Incredibly Large and Weird Book for your coffee
table collection" -- cute.

I loved the part where LP was checking Bushroot's aura!  Then again,
I like to dabble in Astrology and Tarot and Peter always scoffs at
me when I do.  :-)

Notice when DW went to answer the door how it showed his shadow
climbing up the door when he approached it?  Now that is good
animation (art direction?).

The music -- that wasn't the Twin Peaks theme, but it sure sounded
like it!  Kudos to the sound engineers (Composers?   Musicians?).
 
"The cows are not what they seem...."

Then there was Gos rolling her eyes when DW slobbered over Aunt
Trudi.  Tsk, tsk.  Being unfaithful to Morgana?

"Strange is learning your wife is an Elvis impersonator from the
Bermuda Triangle!"

Missed a chance for a good pun.  Where Trudi said, "This town feels
particularly close to their plants,"  it would have been better if
she had said "roots."

Binky sure sounded strange.  Reminded me of Zsa Zsa Labrador doing
her impression of Canina.

The dream sequence!  Awesome!  Tops Baloo's dream sequence in "From
Here to Machinery."  Was that a Fantasia reference?   And a Little
Mermaid reference, too?  Imagery was wonderful.

At the beginning of Act 3, why did DW get water thrown on him?   
Coming from offscreen out of nowhere, it didn't make sense, especially
since he was already awake.

Bushroot as a good guy!  All of you who insisted Bushroot really
isn't bad, just misguided, were right!

Honk's hestitation in zapping his "parents" was a good bit of
characterization on Honker's part.

"Come on kids -- it's time to leaf."

"Cornstalks!  Lend me your ears!"  (boohiss)

One last item.  The cow's helmets.  What's the point of them if they
don't cover their snouts?  (Other than the fact that they're space
cows and they're supposed to be wearing helmets....)


From: "COLLIN M. MCCULLEY" <V148RB5B@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 09:13 EST
Subject: replies & Twin Beaks

SdS: *Just got finished watching "Twin Beaks."  This one elevates
     *Darkwing to a completely new level!  At this point, I don't think
     *anything can top "Twin Beaks."  

Excellent episode.  Even for me -- through some trick of cruel
fate, I never, not even once or by chance, saw an episode of Twin Peaks.
Don't ask me how that happened, I don't know.
I also think its nice that they chose new background music to
go along with it.  I don't know if they use different music for each
episode of DW, but CDRR & Talespin usually never vary the music. It
was a nice touch.
Does anyone think the leftover cabbage is coming back in a later
episode, as killer saurkraut maybe?-)


From: "Just another hideous, beakless mutant." <PHILLIPS@stsci.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 09:36 EST
Subject: this & that...

And now, "Twin Beaks":
Wow, not sure they can make episodes much better than this one 
(except of course if Morgana is in one  ;-).  This episode might have the 
funniest dialogue yet in a DW episode; it's certainly in the top 5 
(non-Morgana ;-) DW episodes.
I think it caught most of the bizarre atmosphere from "Twin Peaks"
while still being reasonably coherent.  The clues were easier to spot than
in TP, especially in the dream:  Bushroot appeared first looking like Marley's
ghost from "Christmas Carol", complete with chains and a log, then later as the 
log that ran by with BR's voice (I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't realize
the log was Bushroot until just before it was revealed--I should've spotted it
from the dream!).
I was kinda hoping Nodoff might have a quick cameo in DW's dream, but
i guess that would've made too much sense...  ;-)
Someone complained that the Larson cows didn't make too much sense--I
think to a show that tries to emulate "Twin Peaks", that's a compliment!  ;-)


From: "Just another hideous, beakless mutant." <PHILLIPS@stsci.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 12:42 EST
Subject: More stuff...

"Twin Beaks": 
SdS>  Tho try as I might, I couldn't figure out what Gosalyn said in response 
SdS>  to DW's remark about finding Bushroot wrapped up in plastic.

DW said words to the effect that "Aren't you surprised to find 
Bushroot's body wrapped in plastic?"  Gos answered something like "How else
do you preserve vegetables?"  (Heavily paraphrased, but you get the idea).
I'm still trying to figure out what Gos said after she scared the cabbage-
Muddlefoots by pretending to be a cabbage-eating locust.

SdS>  LP reading his "Incredibly Large and Weird Book for your coffee table 
SdS>  collection" -- cute.

Wonder when Time/Life will be completely straightforward and admit that
all of their book collections could be put under that title?  ;-) 

SdS>  Then again, I like to dabble in Astrology 

Aaaaack! <sorry, Astronomers get that way about Astrology--nothing personal. ;->

SdS>  Binky sure sounded strange.  

Yeah, she sounded sort of like Binky but also had ascary scratchiness
to her voice as well.

SdS>  At the beginning of Act 3, why did DW get water thrown on him?   

I believe he was still slack-jawed after seeing the space-cow; mark it
down as a minor editing screwup.

SdS>  One last item.  The cow's helmets.  What's the point of them if they
SdS>  don't cover their snouts?  

Uhm, they're space-cows--maybe they don't breathe thru their mouths;
or maybe the snouts stick out so they can talk?  


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Interesting commments, most of which I agree with, in particular, the
superiority of the dream sequence and the clever musical references.
There definitely was a reference to Fantasia, as someone noted. It's
the 'Night on Bald Mtn' sequence.  Surprised no one mentioned the
obvious borrowing from the famous 50s movie about the pod-people (I'm
blanking on the title) starring Kevin McCarthy. Plotwise, it was a
clever combination of TP and that movie with a happy ending, something
neither had.

Since I am a big fan of "Pigs in Space" (not to mention the rest of
the Muppet Show), I would have preferred a ref to pigs over cows, but
I'm not complaining. The cows definitely suggest Gary Larsen and
'Farside', so that's my vote for why cows.

In article <11126@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes...

} In article <1992Feb6.095007.19869@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:

}} I think you're a bit confused here. The pilot movie was originally filmed
}} as it was broadcast on TV as part of the series. The American ABC network
}} had already committed to a series, so there wasn't really a question of
}} it never getting off the ground.

} I don't think so -- standard practice is for a series commitment to wait
} until after the network has seen a pilot.

Yes, that's the *standard* practice, but it isn't necessarily so. It depends
on who's doing it. NBC committed to two years' worth of AMAZING STORIES
based solely on Spielberg's reputation, for example.

Nevertheless, I don't see why ABC seeing the pilot before committing to a
series necessarily means that the pilot that they viewed had to be self-
contained. They could've decided after seeing the pilot that they didn't
want the series, but still said, "But if you work up some resolution for
the story in the movie, we'll buy it as a one-shot movie."

} Besides, if that had really been the case, and there was a series
} commitment, then why would they have bothered shooting the additional
} scenes at all? The Europeans would probably have wanted to release the
} additional episodes of the series as well -- more videotapes, more sales
} -- and they wouldn't have wanted the quick-and-dirty wrap-up.

"Would probably have wanted" -- maybe. But the fact is that the series
itself wasn't considered for foreign markets until *after* it was a hit
in the US.

Standard practice is for 2-hour pilot films for US series to be marketted
as one-shot films in Europe. And so it was with TWIN PEAKS. The only thing
that made it a bit problematic for TP was that things weren't resolved in
the pilot (as they were in, say, CHINA BEACH or THE FLASH). Thus the added
footage.

}} So the home video version was an after-the-fact creation, and not
}} planned from the start.

} How could that be? The ending scenes were shot in Snoqualmie, with the
} same crew as the pilot. As far as I can tell, the morgue used in the
} additional scenes is the location one used in the pilot, not the later
} studio re-creation, and Coop's bedroom looks different from the studio
} version too. I think the ending was definitely tacked-on, but it was
} tacked-on pretty early on.

Yes, "pretty early on" is correct. That's obvious. For one thing, it's
obvious that the footage of Mike and Bob were shot for the Euroversion,
and edited to be a part of Cooper's dream in Episode #2, rather than the
other way around. Secondly, in the episode *after* that, Cooper describes
his dream to Harry and Lucy, and it follows events from the Euroversion,
not the dream as we saw it in the previous episode.

But that doesn't change what I said. The pilot was originally filmed in
its broadcast version. The extra footage in the Euroversion was filmed
and added *after* the pilot had been shot and edited together.

The scenario that the person I was responding to had in mind was something
like this:

(1) Lynch films the pilot as a self-contained movie with the resolution
to the mystery.
(2) ABC looks at it and says, "OK, great, make a series out of it."
(3) Lynch then re-structures the pilot so that it's open-ended.
(4) Series begins production.
(5) Original self-contained pilot is released in Europe on video.

What I'm saying is that the scenario is like this:

(1) Lynch films the pilot, which sets up the mystery to be resolved in the
    series.
(2) ABC looks at it and says, "OK, great, make a series out of it."
(3) Series goes into pre-production.
(4) Plans are to market the pilot as a one-shot in Europe, so Lynch has
    to work up a resolution.
(5) Pilot is re-edited with additional footage and released in Europe
    while the series debuts in the US.

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <1992Feb13.040931.14350@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@nntp.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> > Interesting commments, most of which I agree with, in particular, the
> > superiority of the dream sequence and the clever musical references.
> > Surprised no one mentioned the
> > obvious borrowing from the famous 50s movie about the pod-people (I'm
> > blanking on the title) starring Kevin McCarthy. 

Ah, yes.
Which was it?  A "Twin Peaks" spoof, a "Far Side" spoof, or a "Invasion
of the Body Snatchers" spoof?  
(Methinks it was all three... :-)

-- Stephanie da Silva Taronga Park * Houston, Texas arielle@taronga.com 568-0480 568-1032 "When you get paid to watch cartoons -- life is not bad... life is good!" -- Tad Stones

In <1992Feb12.235826.17410@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> spc55721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the PC-Thief) writes:


> >** SPOILER ALERT "Twin Beaks" ** SPOILER ALERT "Twin Beaks" ** SPOILER ALERT **


> >


> >From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
> >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 17:12:33 CST
> >Subject: Twin Beaks Impressions + Tomorrow's Episodes

> >I was in a state of disbelief the entire episode!  This one elevates
> >Darkwing to a completely new level!  At this point, I don't think
> >anything can top "Twin Beaks."  Someone at a certain Disney studio
> >has a *very* warped sense of humour....

[and other assorted comments from other readers...]

How anyone could have liked this episode so much is completely
beyond me.

As TV cartoons go, "Twin Beaks" was moderately funny, but as satire
it was _awful_.  "Twin Beaks" _could_ have been a wonderful parody
of a show that _needs_ to be parodied (and there were several funny
gags and neat visual bits).  But what ge got instead was a second-rate
take-off on INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (with yet another batch of
Gary Larson puns thrown in--he ought to be getting royalties!).

"Twin Beaks" is a typical example of the main problem with the DARKWING
DUCK series:  A great idea, handled very ineptly.  DWD has the potential
to be a truly funny show, but rarely lives up to that potential.

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In article <gc1sFB1w164w@midiline.la.ca.us> johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
[Oops lost the reference...]
>> >> All in one week?  "Laura was a wild girl." "Tell me about it."
>> >> Teresa Banks knew Laura?  This is new information, I believe.
> >Interesting...nothing about Teresa Banks' murder in Laura's diary.  
> >Perhaps they are just acquaintances...who probably got to know each other 
> >working at OEJ.  And what is Leland's relationship with Teresa?  So far,
> >it seems Leland/Bob hasn't killed anyone he didn't know (with the possible
> >exception of Jacques Renault, but I'll bet there's more to Jacques'
> >murder than has been shown).

Funny, I thought the connect between Laura and Teresa was that they both
appeared in an issue of Flesh World.  I don't remember when this was
mentioned in the series (and I haven't had the time to read that timeline
that was posted, yet.), but I didn't they ever tried to link Theresa and 
Laura directly.

I also don't buy it that Leland killed Teresa.  Bob could have been anybody
at the time.

In article <1992Feb13.201335.1220@njitgw.njit.edu> jxm3035@hertz.njit.edu (Joe Mucchiello) writes:
> >In article <gc1sFB1w164w@midiline.la.ca.us> johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
> >
> >Funny, I thought the connect between Laura and Teresa was that they both
> >appeared in an issue of Flesh World.  I don't remember when this was
> >mentioned in the series (and I haven't had the time to read that timeline
> >that was posted, yet.), but I didn't they ever tried to link Theresa and 
> >Laura directly.

I'll save you some time. There is no reference in time line version 5
to finding Theresa in Flesh World, only the request/order from Coop
that Andy and Lucy look for one. Anyone out there who can actually
name the episode in which it is stated that such an ad was found? I'm
inclined to think there is none, but will check out my tapes if
you can name an episode.

> >
> >I also don't buy it that Leland killed Teresa.  Bob could have been anybody
> >at the time.

If memory serves, Leland confesses to this murder in the scene where
Coop holds him under the sprinklers as Leland dies. Of course, BOB could have
left Leland with false memories, but if you go with that, then just about
anything goes including Leland not murdering Laura. I prefer to believe
that Leland's deathbed confession was accurate.

In article <alberti.697994752@ux.acs.umn.edu>, alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu 
(Timothy Fay) writes:
> > How anyone could have liked this episode so much is completely
> > beyond me.
> > 
> > As TV cartoons go, "Twin Beaks" was moderately funny, but as satire
> > it was _awful_.  "Twin Beaks" _could_ have been a wonderful parody
> > of a show that _needs_ to be parodied (and there were several funny
> > gags and neat visual bits).  But what ge got instead was a second-rate
> > take-off on INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (with yet another batch of
> > Gary Larson puns thrown in--he ought to be getting royalties!).
> > 
> > "Twin Beaks" is a typical example of the main problem with the DARKWING
> > DUCK series:  A great idea, handled very ineptly.  DWD has the potential
> > to be a truly funny show, but rarely lives up to that potential.

Aw Tim, cut 'em some slack.  How many kids in the intended audience do you 
think actually ever saw Twin Peaks?  If they had stuck ENTIRELY to that, the 
episode really would have fallen flat on its face.

The saddest thing is that sometimes I get to see some of the plot ideas that 
get rejected by ABC for the second season, and it's a shame, because they 
pass up on some really good ones.  Be careful where you place blame.

--
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to
harass rich women than biker gangs.
"Ride a motorcycle.  Save Gas, Oil, Rubber, Steel, Aluminum, Parking Spaces,
 The Environment, and Money.  Plus, you get to wear all the leather you want!"
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In article <alberti.697994752@ux.acs.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> >As TV cartoons go, "Twin Beaks" was moderately funny, but as satire
> >it was _awful_.  "Twin Beaks" _could_ have been a wonderful parody
> >of a show that _needs_ to be parodied [...]

What do you mean? I can't see how you could do a better parody of Twin
Peaks than David Lynch did himself. The best parody of Twin Peaks ever
is simply Twin Peaks.

> >But what ge got instead was a second-rate
> >take-off on INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (with yet another batch of
> >Gary Larson puns thrown in--he ought to be getting royalties!).

No, what we got was a first-rate pastiche of three great sources:
Body Snatchers, Gary Larson, and David Lynch.
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In <1992Feb14.030853.6960@europa.asd.contel.com> mauser@intercon.com (Richard Chandler) writes:

> >Aw Tim, cut 'em some slack.  How many kids in the intended audience do you 
> >think actually ever saw Twin Peaks?  If they had stuck ENTIRELY to that, the 
> >episode really would have fallen flat on its face.

But that episode fell flat on its face, anyway.  And if the writers/
producers were concerned about whether kids knew anything about TWIN PEAKS
(probably more than you, or they, think), then why did they decide to
make the attempt at parody in the first place?

> >The saddest thing is that sometimes I get to see some of the plot ideas that 
> >get rejected by ABC for the second season, and it's a shame, because they 
> >pass up on some really good ones.  Be careful where you place blame.

Blame lies squarely on those who create the program.  There are enough
examples of funny ("The Simpsons") and entertaining ("The New Adventures
of Winnie-the-Pooh") TV cartoons out there that the old line of blaming
the Evil Networks just doesn't wash anymore.  "Twin Beaks" _was_ a really
good plot idea but, as I said before, it wasn't handled very well.


> > --
> >People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to
> >harass rich women than biker gangs.

Gee, I thought it was because the fur industry is cruel to animals.
Silly me...


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In article <1992Feb14.020625.15831@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@nntp.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
|> In article <1992Feb13.201335.1220@njitgw.njit.edu> jxm3035@hertz.njit.edu (Joe Mucchiello) writes:
|> >In article <gc1sFB1w164w@midiline.la.ca.us> johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
|> >
|> >Funny, I thought the connect between Laura and Teresa was that they both
|> >appeared in an issue of Flesh World.  I don't remember when this was
|> >mentioned in the series (and I haven't had the time to read that timeline
|> >that was posted, yet.), but I didn't they ever tried to link Theresa and 
|> >Laura directly.
|> 
|> I'll save you some time. There is no reference in time line version 5
|> to finding Theresa in Flesh World, only the request/order from Coop
|> that Andy and Lucy look for one. Anyone out there who can actually
|> name the episode in which it is stated that such an ad was found? I'm
|> inclined to think there is none, but will check out my tapes if
|> you can name an episode.

I believe that this was in episode 1000 (pilot).  If I recall correctly
(and I may not ... the last time I saw this was about eight months ago)
Coop and Tru open up Laura's saftey deposit box, find the money and the
Fleshworld magazine.  I may be mistaken about this, but I think Coop
at this point notices an ad by Teresa Banks.  He then says something to
the effect of "There's your connection, Sheriff." The camera then pans down
to the photo of Leo's truck.

It may also be in episode 1005, when Coop et al are at Jacques' apartment.

I'd check on these things myself, but my tapes are in Colorado, and I'm
in Massachusetts. :-/

-- David E. Coufal dcoufal@athena.mit.edu "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like. And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

In a previous article, dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal) says:

> >In article <1992Feb14.020625.15831@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@nntp.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >|> In article <1992Feb13.201335.1220@njitgw.njit.edu> jxm3035@hertz.njit.edu (Joe Mucchiello) writes:
> >|> >In article <gc1sFB1w164w@midiline.la.ca.us> johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
> >|> >
> >|> >Funny, I thought the connect between Laura and Teresa was that they both
> >|> >appeared in an issue of Flesh World.  I don't remember when this was
> >|> >mentioned in the series (and I haven't had the time to read that timeline
> >|> >that was posted, yet.), but I didn't they ever tried to link Theresa and 
> >|> >Laura directly.
> >|> 
> >|> I'll save you some time. There is no reference in time line version 5
> >|> to finding Theresa in Flesh World, only the request/order from Coop
> >|> that Andy and Lucy look for one. Anyone out there who can actually
> >|> name the episode in which it is stated that such an ad was found? I'm
> >|> inclined to think there is none, but will check out my tapes if
> >|> you can name an episode.
> >
> >I believe that this was in episode 1000 (pilot).  If I recall correctly
> >(and I may not ... the last time I saw this was about eight months ago)
> >Coop and Tru open up Laura's saftey deposit box, find the money and the
> >Fleshworld magazine.  I may be mistaken about this, but I think Coop
> >at this point notices an ad by Teresa Banks.  He then says something to
> >the effect of "There's your connection, Sheriff." The camera then pans down
> >to the photo of Leo's truck.
> >

The other picture they find in "Fleshworld" is Ronette Pulaski, not Theresa
Banks. After BOB leaves Leland and Leland is dying, he admits to being forced
to kill Theresa Banks in addition to killing Laura. IMHO, I think BOB killed 
both Laura and Theresa to lure Cooper to Twin Peaks, a similar plot theme as 
"The Exorcist" where the devil possessed Linda Blair so he could get to the 
priest.
-- Denise M. Fischer (dmf2@po.cwru.edu) Life is what happens to you while Network Information Coordinator, INS you're busy making other plans. Case Western Reserve University -John Lennon "I use antlers in all of my decorating." Gaston, Beauty and the Beast

The white vs. black lodge thread seems to have temporarily subsided, so
I thought I'd pick it up again ...

Are the white and black lodges "one and the same", to use a quote from
the series ? Several people on the net seem to think so - why ? Is there
any evidence of this in the series or is it just speculation ?

The only way I can think of, that this theory is true, is as follows :-

Cooper's final "doom" in the series, and the closing events in
general, were IMHO being used by David Lynch to emphasize the
duality of human nature and it's failings. Given a situation, we
can either make good or bad out of it. In Cooper's case, he
failed to conquer his fear and lost his soul. Also in the final
episode, while high on haliperidol, Major Briggs said "Fear and
love open the doors". It is assuming a great deal, but one way
of interpreting this is that, depending on your emotional state
(fear or love), either the white or the black lodge waits behind
the red curtains in the circle of trees.

What do you all think about this ?

Also, another VERY important question :-

After Briggs disappeared while night-fishing with Cooper, and
some Air Force dude came to Truman's station to investigate,
the conversation turned briefly to Cooper's "THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/
WHAT/THEY/SEEM" message which he received from Briggs. The Air
Force guy then told Cooper that that particular message had not
come from the deep-space monitors that Briggs & Co. usually used,
but instead "from right here" (*pointing to a specific place on
a nearby map*). Presumably the map was a local Twin Peaks map,
and putting two and two together suggests that the "spot" was
somewhere in the nearby woods. This seems vitally important to me
but I don't remember it ever coming up in the plot again, except
of course in the vague, sinister references to "the evil in the
woods" and the "lodge/owls/UFO's/Air Force" theme.

So my questions are :

    - if the Air Force guy knew the exact spot, why didn't they
      look there ? Or if they DID look there, and were keeping
      it's discovery a secret, why did he tell Cooper ? If there
      was something important there, why didn't Cooper look there
      himself later on ? WHAT could have been there anyway ?

    - my theory is that Lynch was suggesting that the White Lodge
      was at that spot, and that the message was a warning to
      Cooper of impending danger. If so, presumably the reason
      why nothing could be found at that spot was either that it
      was the wrong time (see what happened later on re the Black
      Lodge: Cooper needed to be at the door at the conjunction
      of Jupiter and Saturn, and carrying a jar of burnt engine
      oil) or else that the White Lodge was similar to the magnetic
      poles in that it was "unstable" and constantly changing location.
      How do you feel about either of these theories ? My opinion is
      that, like the Black Lodge, the White Lodge was CONSTANT 
      rather than unstable and that no-one, either Cooper, Briggs,
      Air Force, Log Lady or any other "gifted" individuals were
      able to find it. What do you think about this ?

Please reply either on the net or by e-mail, as I'm very curious to hear
your responses ...

Tim Hatfield
Twin Peaks Freak

Some SPOILER type discussion of the final episode, if that still applies...






In article <1992Feb15.000857.8382@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
(Timothy James Hatfield) says:
> >
> >The white vs. black lodge thread seems to have temporarily subsided, so
> >I thought I'd pick it up again ...
> >
> >Are the white and black lodges "one and the same", to use a quote from
> >the series ? Several people on the net seem to think so - why ? Is there
> >any evidence of this in the series or is it just speculation ?
> >
> >The only way I can think of, that this theory is true, is as follows :-
> >
> >        Cooper's final "doom" in the series, and the closing events in
> >        general, were IMHO being used by David Lynch to emphasize the
> >        duality of human nature and it's failings. Given a situation, we
> >        can either make good or bad out of it. In Cooper's case, he
> >        failed to conquer his fear and lost his soul. Also in the final
> >        episode, while high on haliperidol, Major Briggs said "Fear and
> >        love open the doors". It is assuming a great deal, but one way
> >        of interpreting this is that, depending on your emotional state
> >        (fear or love), either the white or the black lodge waits behind
> >        the red curtains in the circle of trees.
> >
> >What do you all think about this ?
> >
       (remaining stuff deleted)

There were a lot of in commnets in the series that led me to think of the
White and Black Lodges as distinct.  I thought I remembered that Hawk said
that it was necessary to pass through the Black Lodge to reach the White, but
my copy of the timeline has him saying:

    The legend says that every spirit must pass through there (BL) on
    the way to perfection.  There, you will meet your own shadow-self.

Which is slightly ambiguous, unless you equate perfection and White Lodge.
 The living people in the series, esp. Briggs, Earle and Hawk, do talk about
  BL vs. WL as if they are different places. The idea of a 'place' doesn't
hold too much meaning in the context of the lodges, perhaps, but we're clearly
led to believe that they have incompatible qualities or states or whatever.

Anyway, in the final episode, I was looking desperately for something that
could be interpreted as a portal or entrance to the White Lodge.  Didn't see
anything, until the final credits ran.  Instead of the picture of Laura, we
see the coffee cup in the red room, with Laura's face reflected in it.  Happy
 Laura.  Saved Laura.  Laura from the White Lodge.  Something about the coffee
coffee cup, I decided, led to the White Lodge.

This idea seems wierd enough that I'm slightly embarrassed about it, but it did
 give me the cushion of a 'happy ending'. In defense, I can point out that in
the cup there's a small pool of black liquid (not your ordinary coffee)
surrounded by a white circle, analogous to the portal at the grove that showed
the reflection of the red curtains.

The Giant/SDC, who has always seemed to be good, makes a big issue about giving
 the coffee to Dale, who doesn't have a clue as it keeps changing viscosity.
Did he screw up some test by failing to realize its significance?  It's after
that that things begin to go downhill in the waiting room.

Finally, this may tie in with the idea that love is the key to entering the
White Lodge.  Remember the scene in the diner when Dale and Annie have their
romantic clinch and knock a stack of plates to the floor?  The close-up of the
spilt coffee that was too syrupy to be coffee foreshadows the red room java.
Maybe the love between Dale and Annie was already having some cosmic effect.
It's no more outlandish than the burnt oil references, IMHO.

Did the coffee change properties with Cooper's emotional state?  If used
correctly, is it a pathway to the White Lodge? Maybe if he'd had a doughnut to
go with it..? :)

> >

timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:

> > 
> > The white vs. black lodge thread seems to have temporarily subsided, so
> > I thought I'd pick it up again ...
 
[some wonderful ideas deleted to save space]

> >     - my theory is that Lynch was suggesting that the White Lodge
> >       was at that spot, and that the message was a warning to
> >       Cooper of impending danger. If so, presumably the reason
> >       why nothing could be found at that spot was either that it
> >       was the wrong time (see what happened later on re the Black
> >       Lodge: Cooper needed to be at the door at the conjunction
> >       of Jupiter and Saturn, and carrying a jar of burnt engine
> >       oil) or else that the White Lodge was similar to the magnetic
> >       poles in that it was "unstable" and constantly changing location.
> >       How do you feel about either of these theories ? My opinion is
> >       that, like the Black Lodge, the White Lodge was CONSTANT 
> >       rather than unstable and that no-one, either Cooper, Briggs,
> >       Air Force, Log Lady or any other "gifted" individuals were
> >       able to find it. What do you think about this ?
> > 
> > Please reply either on the net or by e-mail, as I'm very curious to hear
> > your responses ...
> > 
> > Tim Hatfield
> > Twin Peaks Freak

I agree up to a point.  The only thing we know is that a White-Lodge type 
message was broadcast from that spot in the woods.  As you say, the White 
Lodge and the Black Lodge are both "Other Places" (as in Little Man from 
Another Place) not like places on Planet Earth.  It is not unstable, but 
it moves through time and space.  I believe that Lynch is saying that you 
have to do battle with the demons inside of you in order to reach
spiritual perfection.  I don't think your emotional state determines which 
Lodge you enter.  I think you HAVE to go through the Black Lodge first.  
Your emotional state merely embodies the "alignment" you have towards the 
Lodges (to use a D&D term).  WE wanted to gain power in the Black Lodge; 
he wasn't interested in spiritual perfection.  The lesson is: first you 
must gain the power.  While you are gaining power, you are expressing 
yourself as primarily a good (Love opens the door type) person or a bad 
(Fear opens the door type) person.  The former type person MOVES on to 
seek communication with higher planes; the latter uses the power he has 
gained for earthly advancement.  Everything seems to point to the 
conclusion that BOB used WE to "get" Cooper.  This may be because Cooper 
was becoming a strong spiritual force, and BOB wanted that force to be
aligned Black.  He had already "gotten" WE, but evidently Cooper is a be      
better "vehicle".  IMHO, Denise Fisher (see post 4097) is very accurate 
to compare this plotline to "The Exorcist".
 
It seems clear to me, then, that Maj. Briggs has pretty much passed through
the spiritual test of the Black Lodge.  I believe that after you have 
been through the Black Lodge, the White Lodge seeks you at the same time 
you are seeking the White Lodge.  

Coop is being visited by beings from the White Lodge, which I believe are 
the Giant and the Waiter.  The LMFAP may or may not be aligned White, I 
am not sure.  Remember when Coop asks the Giant "Where do you come from?" 
and the Giant replies "The question is: where have YOU gone?"  The LMFAP ma   
may very well be a neutral entity, not aligned with either lodge.

I also believe that Coop was in trouble because of his love affair with
Annie, which absorbed him so much that spiritually he was not ready to 
meet his shadow self.  He had been listening to the messages from the 
White Lodge...until the scene at the Miss Twin Peaks dinner dance, where
Annie decides to enter the pageant.  The Giant warned him voicelessly, 
but he ignored the warning.  This showed his drifting away from alignment 
with the White Lodge.

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*  "You say your life's a bum deal, and you're up against the wall?     * 
*   Well people you ain't even got no kind of deal at all!              * 
*   'Cuz what they do in Washington -      ****************************** 
*   they just takes care of Number One.    *  John Atwell, Midiline,    * 
*   (And Number One ain't you...           *  Canoga Park, California,  * 
*    you ain't even number two...)"        *  USA (It CAN happen here!) * 
** FRANK ZAPPA for President ********************************************

Oh, sh*t -- I just saw the last two Twin Peaks episodes -- I can't believe
they stopped with it yet.

What now?  Am I supposed to wait 30 years for the rest of this series?

How do you folks in the US judge the situation -- is there "Annie" hope?


Bye, Marc (so much Dallas, so few ^TP^ :-( )

RC> But seriously, what did y'all think of the show?

Who wrote this nonsense about the second second season beeing too
confusing?  Throw him to the lions!!


Bye, Marc

Is the FWWM promotion picture available too @ audrey?


Bye, Marc

In article <alberti.698093588@ux.acs.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> >But that episode fell flat on its face, anyway.

Only among anal-retentive David Lynch fans with no sense of humor.

> >Blame lies squarely on those who create the program.  There are enough
> >examples of funny ("The Simpsons") and entertaining ("The New Adventures
> >of Winnie-the-Pooh") TV cartoons out there that the old line of blaming
> >the Evil Networks just doesn't wash anymore.

Personally, I think "The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" are no more
than average Disneyesque fare (which makes them better than most of the
stuff on TV) but are pretty bland by comparison with Darkwing Duck: in
my opinion the best cartoon series Disney has ever created.

As for the Simpsons: give me Life in Hell any time.
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I'm glad that there are people out there that have an avid interest in TP.  
(And to think that all the time I was the only one left.)

Anyway, I have a few questions about the Black/White lodge myself.  I  
thought that Major Briggs says that while fear opens the black lodge, love  
will open the white lodge.  Well, since Agent Cooper was able to rescue  
Annie (assuming that they held the truest and most pure love for one  
another) wouldn't the White lodge have opened up before Cooper was able to  
escape the Black Lodge.

I realize that good old David likes to keep us in suspense and doesn't  
always give us a "happy sappy" ending,  I think he should have given us  
atleast some more in sight into the White Lodge.  (If only the show wasn't  
cancelled.)

In article <1992Feb15.000857.8382@ucc.su.OZ.AU> timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
> >
> >After Briggs disappeared while night-fishing with Cooper, and
> >some Air Force dude came to Truman's station to investigate,
> >the conversation turned briefly to Cooper's "THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/
> >WHAT/THEY/SEEM" message which he received from Briggs. The Air
> >Force guy then told Cooper that that particular message had not
> >come from the deep-space monitors that Briggs & Co. usually used,
> >but instead "from right here" (*pointing to a specific place on
> >a nearby map*). 
[stuff deleted]
> >    - if the Air Force guy knew the exact spot, why didn't they
> >      look there ? Or if they DID look there, and were keeping
> >      it's discovery a secret, why did he tell Cooper ? If there
> >      was something important there, why didn't Cooper look there
> >      himself later on ? WHAT could have been there anyway ?
I don't remember a map in this scene, but anyway-- even if the AF did
know where they were getting signals from precisely, I don't think 
the lodges exist on our "plane."  So I doubt that much could be found at
that particular spot.  It might have been that "right here" was 
Glastonberry Grove (circle of trees).
[stuff deleted]
> >      How do you feel about either of these theories ? My opinion is
> >      that, like the Black Lodge, the White Lodge was CONSTANT 
> >      rather than unstable and that no-one, either Cooper, Briggs,
> >      Air Force, Log Lady or any other "gifted" individuals were
> >      able to find it. What do you think about this ?
The Major did say that he believed he was taken to the White Lodge during
his last disappearance.  According to the stuff cut from the scripts 
(posted here several months ago), the "throne room" (jungle like scene
when Briggs returns) has something to do with or is the White Lodge.
Also, according to some quote from Lynch that I can't remember exactly
the White Lodge has a lot to do with Major Briggs' dream about the
big white house.

Rocky Giovinazzo

OK, I finally picked up my copy of TWIN PEAKS SET: 29 EPISODES (well,
that's what it's titled on the box). I haven't had the time to start
watching the set yet, though I popped around the various discs playing
specific scenes. Here are some comments about the package (warning,
there'll be a fair amount of obsessive detail). Overall, I am *very*
impressed, and glad I splurged the considerable amount of money for it.

The set comes in a nice outer box, with a photo of Laura Palmer (dead)
on the outside. The contents include:

15  12" LDs
1    8" "LD single"
1   large booklet

(and a flyer advertising a package tour to Twin Peaks country. :-))

As noted before, the pilot (either the broadcast version or the extended
"Euroversion") is *not* included in the package, just ("Just". Right.)
episodes 1-29.

I.

All the discs are in CLV, have digital sound, and are in stereo. Only
the second season episodes have surround sound, but the first season
wasn't done in surround in the first place. There's no chapter encoding
-- well, actually, there is, but "Chapter 1" lasts the entire side. All
of the episodes have their original English dialogue tracks and are
subtitled in Japanese kanji. During the Red Room sequences in which
English subtitles appeared for the backwards-speech dialogue, those
English subtitles are retained, with the kanji appearing as side-titles.
The transfers are about as good as one would expect of a non-digital
transfer. I've noticed some shots have a little noticible grain to them,
but certainly nothing to get bothered about (I used to think my Beta
tapes were decent until I popped one in to check something against the
disc, and I almost threw up at how bad it was).

I expected the discs to be in poly-lined paper sleeves sitting loose
inside the box, like various domestic boxed sets, but that's not the
case. Each of the 15 discs comes in its own cardboard jacket (as sturdy
as any regular LD jacket), with the inner sleeves being of the plastic
"U" variety). Each jacket is individually labelled, so that if you
prefer, you can place them on your shelf individually rather than in
the box. Given the box's dimensions, I've done this and saved a little
shelf space (it also makes accessing them easier, which is quite possibly
why it was done this way). Each jacket has a photo of one or more of the
characters from the series, some being stills from an episode, others
obviously being posed publicity stills. For the record, here's a list
of the jacket photos ("*" indicates a publicity still rather than an
episode scene):

Disc    Photo                         Disc    Photo

1     * Coop & Harry                  9     * Bobby and Shelly
2     * Josie, Catherine, & Ben       10    * Josie and Harry
3     * Donna, James, & Audrey        11    * Windom Earle
4       The Giant ("Noooooo...")      12      JJ Wheeler and Audrey
5       Leland (white-haired)         13      Nadine
6       Audrey                        14      The Man from Another Place
7       Donna                         15    * Killer Bob
8       Dream-Laura in the Red Room

The back of all the jackets is mostly blank, with a small photo of David
Lynch in the center.

All of the episodes retain the "previously on TWIN PEAKS" pre-credits
teaser, but none have any of the next episode previews; they go straight
from the closing shot into the closing credits. Because of the way the
episodes are laid out, Episode #8 -- the 2-hour second season premiere
-- is split between discs 4 and 5 (for the record, they did *not* kludge
up an extra set of credits to close the first half or open the second
half with). Episodes 28 & 29 have their individual opening and closing
credits, instead of the combined set that we got on the US broadcast,
since they were shown as a single 2-hour "movie". The other notable
thing about Episode #8 is that it has an "alternate version" of one
scene. It was noted long ago in alt.tv.twin-peaks that when the episode
aired in Britain, the scene of Maddy looking down at the rug and seeing
the (what seemed to be) blood stain was slightly different than in the
original US broadcast. It was said that in the UK airing she saw an
image of BOB in the stain. Sure enough, the superimposed image of BOB
comes rippling into view over the stain. One supposes that this episode
was late in post-production, so it was printed for US airing without
this shot being completed. I haven't noticed anything else different,
but as I said, I haven't watched the set straight through yet.

II.

The 8" LD single is amusing, but no more than that. Titled "Clues to the
Mystery", it has numerous short chapters, each about one or another of
the characters, with clips from the series of that character. There are
also squibs about various "clues", such as "Dale's ring". Unfortunately,
the disc is narrated in Japanese, so I've no idea what's being said
about the characters or the "clues". As a toss-in freebie, it's nice,
but I'll probably never play it all the way through.

III.

The booklet. *Real* nice. It's 11.5 x 11.5, and 36 pages long. The only
real problem is that (naturally) the text is almost completely in
Japanese, so I'm only guessing at what some of it is about (I've noted
below what's in English). The cover is neat: it's a shot looking down at
the top of a coffee percolator, with a fish sitting on top of it. :-)
The back cover is a shot of two donuts.

Pages 2 through 17 appear to be synopses of all of the episodes, two
per page (except #8, which runs a whole page), each with a header strip
running from top to bottom with a couple of photos from the episode in
question and the writing & directing credits. They also include one for
the pilot, and interestingly enough, they label it "Episode 0" -- the
first time I've seen the pilot designated this way outside of the net
(after all, who but a computer person would think of starting a count
with 0 instead of 1? :-)).

Page 17 also has a strip labelled "see the other side, hear the other
side", but I have no idea what it's about. However, there are two quotes
by the One-Armed Man that are printed in English. What makes one of them
interesting to Peaks Freaks is that it's the "Fire, Walk With Me" poem,
and in the third line, they use "one chants out" instead of "one chance
out".

Pages 18-19 are a huge chart of all the characters with their various
interconnections. It's much more extensive (and complex) than the one
in PEOPLE MAGAZINE back during the show's first season broadcast. The
interconnectivity legend is in English, too.

Pages 20-21 are three maps of Twin Peaks and the surrounding area. The
notations on the maps are in English, though the legends underneath are
only in Japanese. First is a town map, second a map of the forest area
surrounding the town, and the third a regional map of Washington,
including the abutting parts of Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and British
Columbia. I suspect that these maps were reproduced from THE ACCESS
GUIDE TO TWIN PEAKS, but as I (oddly enough) never got around to picking
up a copy of the ACCESS GUIDE, I don't know for sure. There's also a
mileage chart from Twin Peaks to various points around the globe (but
not, strangely enough, Tokyo).

Pages 22-29 contain info-boxes of all the major and most of the minor
characters (and the actors who played them) that have appeared on the
show. In the case of many of the minor characters, it even mentions
which episode they appeared in.

Pages 30-31 are biographical sketches of David Lynch, Mark Frost, and
Angelo Badalamenti. For Lynch, the sketch includes a filmography, as
well as lists of his other work.

Pages 32-33 are frustratingly titled "Dale Cooper is not what he seems".
But it's all in Japanese.

Page 34 looks to be -- judging from various dates noted therein -- a
production timeline for the series. Accompanying photos are of some of
the merchandizing products. They show a copy of THE ACCESS GUIDE TO
TWIN PEAKS, the collector's card set, British and Japanese editions of
THE SECRET DIARY OF LAURA PALMER, a newspaper called TWIN PEAKS TIMES
(which I suspect is merely a Japanese edition of THE TWIN PEAKS GAZETTE)
and some Japanese TP *fanzines*. There's also a chart listing the
episodes with their original US broadcast dates.

Page 35 has a cast list for the forthcoming theatrical film. It's obviously
not complete, as at least two people we know to be in the film (Pamela
Gidley as Teresa Banks and Phoebe Augustine as Ronette Pulaski) are not
listed. The complete title seems to be "Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me,
Teresa Banks and the Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer".

(I'll be posting the cast list as a separate article, but only to
alt.tv.twin-peaks.)

All in all, a damn fine package.

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

As mentioned in my description of the TWIN PEAKS laserdisc set, the
booklet included with it has a cast list for the forthcoming movie.
Here's the list as it appears in the booklet (a couple of spellings
corrected):

Kyle MacLachlan            Agent Dale Cooper
Kiefer Sutherland          San [sic] Stanley
David Bowie                Phillip Jeffries
Joan Chen                  Josie Packard
Michael Ontkean            Sheriff Harry Truman
Harry Dean Stanton         Carl Rodd
Peggy Lipton               Norma Jennings
Chris Isaak                Chet Desmond
Sheryl Lee                 Laura Palmer
Ray Wise                   Leland Palmer
Moira Kelly                Donna Hayward
Dana Ashbrook              Bobby Briggs
Grace Zabriskie            Sarah Palmer
Frank Silva                Bob
James Marshall             James Hurley
Al Strobel                 Philip Michael Gerard
Miguel Ferrer              Albert Rosenfield
Madchen Amick              Shelley Johnson
Harry Goaz                 Deputy Andy Brennan
Eric Da Re                 Leo Johnson
Everett McGill             Ed Hurley
Warren Frost               Dr. Hayward
David Lynch                Gordon Cole
Rick Aiello                Cliff Howard
Heather Graham             Annie Blackburn
Richard Beymer             Ben Horne
Kimmy Robertson            Lucy Moran
Wendy Robie                Nadine Hurley
Catherine Coulson          Log Lady
Jack Nance                 Pete Martell
Michael Horse              Tommy "The Hawk" Hill
Russ Tamblyn               Dr. Jacoby
David Patrick Kelly        Jerry Horne
Robert Bauer               Johnny Horne
Charlotte Stewart          Betty Briggs
Mary Jo Deschanel          Eileen Hayward
Don Davis                  Major Briggs
Julee Cruise               Roadhouse Singer
Gary Hershberger           Mike Nelson
Lenny von Dohlen           Harold Smith
Michael Anderson           Man From Another Place
Walter Olkewicz            Jacques Renault
Frances Bay                Mrs. Tremond
Jan D'Arcy                 Sylvia Horne

Notes by me:

1.  Moira Kelly is replacing Lara Flynn Boyle who was unable to do
    the film due to other commitments.

2.  Sherilyn Fenn was also unavailable. I guess that they considered
    her less "replaceable" than Boyle (more likely is that the character
    of Donna is more essential to the events of the film, given her
    close ties with James and Laura) so the character of Audrey won't
    be in the film.

3.  I'm sorry to see that Sheryl Lee won't be doing "double duty" as
    both Laura *and* Maddy.

4.  A curious absence is Pamela Gidley, who is supposed to be playing
    Teresa Banks in the movie. And Phoebe Augustine (Ronette Pulaski)
    is supposed to be in it as well.

5.  Still no Diane. :-(

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

The following was posted for a friend of mine, so, please, no mail to me.
His address is at the end of the message.

>>>> >>>>begin article ...

The following is some form of a spoiler for the Twin Peaks Movie.  You have
been warned.


























Just to settle some discussions on the news group:  

1.  The good (real) Cooper is trapped in the black lodge.  

2. The movie is "Fire Walk With Me: Teresa Banks and the Last SEven Days of
Laura Palmers Life".  It starts with Teresas's body getting found and two
FBI agents (Chris Isaak and Kiether Sutherland) investigate it in the
northern part of washington. This is about one fourth or fifth of the
movie. Teresa Banks has some relation to the Lodge and its inhabitants.  

3. Cooper is in it alot, and his part takes place with Gordon, Albert, and
Diane(you'll have to wait and see, I don't want to ruin it).  he also does
a little investigating into Teresa Banks, because someone has disappeared
in relation to that case.  

4. Cooper is not the first FBI agent to make contact with Bob-etc. (Windom
Earle probably did, but I'm not counting him.) David Bowie's agent
character saw "them" in a meeting above a convienent store.  I'm not
telling who "them" is.   

5. Then it goes to the last seven days of Laura's life (about three fourths
of the movie), which includes some flashbacks by Leland and Laura about
Teresa Banks!  The good (real) Cooper, while still trapped in the Black
Lodge from the end of the series, makes an appearance during this
time!(wait and see).

7. The midget is the arm and it all has something to do with corn.   

6. At the very end, it skips to the end of the series and we get to see
that continue for about I would guess four minutes at the most.  

7. I know all this because I have "something"  (I'm sure if you try hard
you can guess) that is marked "confidential" so I hope you all feel
priviledged :)

8. Robert Engels, when I heard him speak here, said the movie comes in just
over five hours, so it needs to be edited down.

9. My opintion:  The midget is the head of the black lodge and the giant is
the head of the white lodge.  I mean black/white, giant/midget, come on,
that's pretty simple.  Also, Cooper didn't need the jar of oil to get into
the lodge, he just wanted to show that it had something to do with getting
in.  If you look closely at the white circle of stones on the ground of
Glastonberry Grove, inside the circle the is a black shiney substance that
I would call the same exact "oil".


If for some reason any of you want to e-mail me, the address this post is
from is not my address because a friend posted it for me.  My address is:

jasonhal@usc.edu


Jason Hall
jasonhal@usc.edu
"I'm like a bad penny, I always turn up."


... end article<<<<<

If we all are still posting sightings of TP alum, (Donna Hayward) has a medium
sized role in that "excellent" movie, Wayne's World. She plays Wayne's
ex-girlfriend, who can't realize it's over. Very much an airhead. Very well
played. Quite the opposite of Donna. Makeup also gave her many freckles, or
were they just covered up on TP?

Everyone, go see Wayne's World if you like the skit on SNL at all. Believe it
or not, it keeps flowing, with MANY cameo/parady appearances.

LATER!!

Dear fellows,

well - here in germany there are the tp-series shown. First the normal
series and then the further secrets of twin peaks (chess - Earl stuff).

I've seen the last episode of the chess 'drama' and am really confused:
at the end Coop is seen smashing the mirror with his head...

My questions:

- what's the effective end?
- Coop going crazy?
- Coop becoming something like a 2nd Earl?

I'm really confused... glad if somebody could help me :-)

Greetings from Germany... Matthias

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Hmmm...sounds like an "income opportunity" for anyone with
Japanese-to-English translation experience...


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As a British TP fanatic who's only found this newsgroup in the last couple
of months, I was rather interested in what was said about the 'alternative
scene' in episode 9 (the pilot for the second series). In the British
version, Maddy looks down at the bloodstain in the rug and sees an image
of BOB. What happens in the US (original) version?

Thanks,

Mike

I was watching Sunset Boulevard the other night.  (Someone may have already
posted this so don't be mean--you don't have to be mean--if they have.) 
Remember the sequence when Norma Desmond delivers that awful Salome script to
Paramount and then she starts to get calls from someone there.  The guy really
wants to rent her car but she thinks he's working for DeMille.

The guy's name is Gordon Cole (and he doesn't have a hearing problem).  They
mention it about six times.  :)

Whaddya think?

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In <33475@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:

> >As mentioned in my description of the TWIN PEAKS laserdisc set, the
> >booklet included with it has a cast list for the forthcoming movie.
> >Here's the list as it appears in the booklet (a couple of spellings
> >corrected):

A couple of notes about these:

> >Heather Graham             Annie Blackburn

What is she doing here?  Unless they go back many many years,
this must be a reference to the Lodges, I would think.  She does
not return to Twin Peaks until late in the second season, several
weeks (months?) after Laura's death.  And she mentions that she
has been in the convent for quite some time.  Maybe David the
Time Traveling FBI Agent Bowie has something to do with this.

If it does have anything to do with the Lodges, where is Windom
Earle?  I was hoping he'd be in there.

> >Frances Bay                Mrs. Tremond

Maybe we'll figure out how she relates to all this, but where is
the Kreamed Korn Kid?  Maybe he's too minor to mention, but I would
think he'd been in there.

> >Al Strobel                 Philip Michael Gerard
> >Michael Anderson           Man From Another Place
> >Frank Silva                Bob

At least we are sure it will be on the "spiritual" side, as we already
assumed, but where is the Giant?

> >Miguel Ferrer              Albert Rosenfield

At least we are sure it will have some good-ol dry Albert humor.

> >Julee Cruise               Roadhouse Singer

At least we are sure it will have some good Cruise Music.

> >--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

> >    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

In <1992Feb17.035208.29527@muddcs.claremont.edu> awells@jarthur.claremont.edu (Adam "Servo" Wells) writes:

> >The following was posted for a friend of mine, so, please, no mail to me.
> >His address is at the end of the message.

>>>>> >>>>>begin article ...

> >The following is some form of a spoiler for the Twin Peaks Movie.  You have
> >been warned.

> >[Several enticing comments about the movie left out.]

ARGGH!  I want to see the damn movie NOW.  I can't wait until March, much
less a US-release date of late Summer.  I wouldn't mind sitting through
five hours.  Let's hope the stuff cut out makes it in some form like a
later video release.

> >Jason Hall
> >jasonhal@usc.edu
> >"I'm like a bad penny, I always turn up."

sj"The more people I meet, the more I like my dog" - ts

     Although this is little more than rumor, a friend of mine who worked
     for Spelling Int. (who backed and are distributing the TP film 
     overseas) said the structure of _Fire, Walk With Me_ will be 
     as disjointed as you might expect, but within that, answering
     as many of the un-answered questions as possible.

     Here's the structure:

     Act I (first 30 minutes): The murder of Theresa banks and 
                               subsequent investigation by Coop,
                               et al.

     Act II (one hour): The last seven days of Laura Palmer's life.

     Act III (final 30 minutes): Post-"How's Annie?"

     This structure, which is not to say FWWM will be segmented like
     a two hour episode (all films adhere to a 3 act structure), would
     seem to explain some of the questions the recently posted FWWM
     cast list -- why is Annie in it?  Earle?  etc.  

     Sounds interesting -- but again, just a rumor.  

     I still don't know WHEN THE FUCKER IS COMING OUT in the U.S.  I
     heard October, I heard February 23 (my personal hope), I heard
     March --  if somebody's got the scoop, please email me.

     I'll trade off-the-set behind the scenes info on _Star Trek:
     The Next Generation_ that no one on any net's got access to....




          "I'm a politician and that means
          "I'm a liar and a cheat
          "And when I'm not kissin babies
          "I'm thinkin up new ways to steal its sucker."

           Tom Clancy, _Hunt For Red October_ 
           (in all other ways, a piece of techno
            speak garbage.  Nifty movie tho.)

           -Scott Gorcey

In article <1992Feb17.170745.3619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes...

} As a British TP fanatic who's only found this newsgroup in the last couple
} of months, I was rather interested in what was said about the 'alternative
} scene' in episode 9 (the pilot for the second series).

Nit: the second season opener is Episode #8. The original pilot movie is
*not* counted in the episode numbering.

} In the British version, Maddy looks down at the bloodstain in the rug
} and sees an image of BOB. What happens in the US (original) version?

She sees just the bloodstain. There's no image of BOB. Otherwise, the
scene is identical. I think the addition of the BOB image adds to the
scene. Just seeing an image of a bloodstain might be scary, but I think
it would be more likely to evoke puzzlement rather than screaming fear.
Seeing BOB in the stain also makes a basis for her later reactions at
seeing BOB (not that the sight of BOB crawling over the furniture
wouldn't be frightening enough).

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <1992Feb17.170745.3619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes:
> >
> >As a British TP fanatic who's only found this newsgroup in the last couple
> >of months, I was rather interested in what was said about the 'alternative
> >scene' in episode 9 (the pilot for the second series). In the British
> >version, Maddy looks down at the bloodstain in the rug and sees an image
> >of BOB. What happens in the US (original) version?
> >
She just looks down, sees the stain appear, hears an ominous
rumbling-type noise, and basically freaks out.
-- Ed Hughes, SAS Institute | "See no evil...well, maybe just a little... Cary, NC | yeah!" | --Joel, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet," | MST3000

Jerry,

Would you let us know where we might find such a gem of a set
and how much we might expect to pay for it? (I know it's rude
to ask how much something costs, but I simply must have this)


Ken


THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS.
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In <7SQC1D3@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> >In article <alberti.698093588@ux.acs.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>> >>But that episode fell flat on its face, anyway.

> >Only among anal-retentive David Lynch fans with no sense of humor.

I read stuff like the above, and I'm reminded of the William Shatner SNL
skit, where he lectured a group of sci-fi fans about taking something
he did as a joke 25 years ago and blowing it all out of proportion.
I think some folks on the DA list are doing the same thing wrt
DARKWING DUCK which is, after all, supposed to be a kids' show.  I'm
also reminded of Shatner's famous punchline in that skit...


-- Reply to: avatar@pnet51.orb.mn.org "Bowl a strike, not a spare; Revolution everywhere!" -RABL credo

It is written on alt.tv.twin-peaks and crossposted elsewhere by
alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay):

> >In <7SQC1D3@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>> >>In article <alberti.698093588@ux.acs.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>>> >>>But that episode fell flat on its face, anyway.
>> >>Only among anal-retentive David Lynch fans with no sense of humor.
> >I think some folks on the DA list are doing the same thing wrt
> >DARKWING DUCK which is, after all, supposed to be a kids' show....

As a somewhat-active member who's also into this show, I kinda hafta
agree.  However, "Darkwing Duck" is one of those happening things right
now, as "Goof Troop" will probably be next season.  IMHO, if a certain
clique of people band together united under a "new idea" they're likely
to turn it into a cult following.

One example is, of course, the Darkwing Duck mega-fans, a small group
possibly led by some mysterious person with the craving to say "More
Morgana!" at every possibility.  And members who do nothing all day but
compile "I am the terror..." quotes.  ;-]  ;-]

Other "new ideas" in the animation biz:
-> "Capitol Critters".  Not as seriously followed as "Darkwing Duck",
   but the criticism is there.

-> "Ren 'n' Stimpy".  Taken to the level where a separate newsgroup
   (or more precisely, alt. group) was formed.

-> "The Disney Afternoon".  A moderated following able to discuss a
   spectrum of aspects ranging from strict reality to utter silliness.
   (so what if I'm not good at self-criticism, I'm just a naive freshman)


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In article <1992Feb17.045118.7313@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Bryan Schroeder writes:
> >If we all are still posting sightings of TP alum, (Donna Hayward) has a medium
> >sized role in that "excellent" movie, Wayne's World. She plays Wayne's
> >ex-girlfriend, who can't realize it's over. Very much an airhead. Very well
> >played. Quite the opposite of Donna. Makeup also gave her many freckles, or
> >were they just covered up on TP?

Yeah, Lara Flynn Boyle plays a most excellent space-bunny... NOT.  She
seemed like she belonged in a totally different movie.  It's not that she
didn't do a good acting job (though judging from her Tonight Show appearances,
some of that seems to be her real personality), it's just that she didn't
go as over-the-top as she needed to do to fit in with Wayne and company.
Though that said, she was still funny, and definitely worthy of a SCHWING!!!

BTW the freckles are Lara's own.  We never got to see Donna in that kind of
an outfit, except in the Miss Twin Peaks contest, but they were there.

In article <alberti.698428727@ux.acs.umn.edu>, alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> > I think some folks on the DA list are doing the same thing wrt
> > DARKWING DUCK which is, after all, supposed to be a kids' show.  

Never fails to amaze me how so many people think animations are just
for children....

-- Stephanie da Silva Taronga Park * Houston, Texas arielle@taronga.com 568-0480 568-1032 "I Want a New .sig" -- Huey Lewis and the NEWS

WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias) writes:

> > Dear fellows,
> > 
> > well - here in germany there are the tp-series shown. First the normal
> > series and then the further secrets of twin peaks (chess - Earl stuff).
> > 
> > I've seen the last episode of the chess 'drama' and am really confused:
> > at the end Coop is seen smashing the mirror with his head...
> > 
> > My questions:
> > 
> > - what's the effective end?
> > - Coop going crazy?
> > - Coop becoming something like a 2nd Earl?
> > 
> > I'm really confused... glad if somebody could help me :-)
> > 
> > Greetings from Germany... Matthias
> > 
> > |              "I must have been on the streets too long -              |
> > |                          the party is over...                         |
> > |                           Caught in a dream                           |
> > |                      inside this World-Machine..."                    |
> > |                                                                       |
> > | walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de   walder@dulruu51.bitnet  Ronin on IRC&BR |

I don't know how they played it in Germany, but in the US. They talked about 
the White and Black Lodge (sort of liek heven and hell) and about the eavel 
sprit BOB! Appearently he invaded Cooper at the end of series and the good 
Cooper is traped in the Black Lodge.
                                         -=*=- Gregory C. Salmieri -=*=-

tbrown@gold.ucs.indiana.edu (Gaston) writes:

> > 
> > I was watching Sunset Boulevard the other night.  (Someone may have already
> > posted this so don't be mean--you don't have to be mean--if they have.) 
> > Remember the sequence when Norma Desmond delivers that awful Salome script to
> > Paramount and then she starts to get calls from someone there.  The guy reall
> > wants to rent her car but she thinks he's working for DeMille.
> > 
> > The guy's name is Gordon Cole (and he doesn't have a hearing problem).  They
> > mention it about six times.  :)
> > 
> > Whaddya think?
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > tbrown@ucs.indiana.edu              |      Currently under construction
> > You *can* call me Terry             |           Watch this space
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Didn't Lynch play Cole? 
                                         -=*=- Gregory C. Salmieri -=*=-

>> >> I think some folks on the DA list are doing the same thing wrt
>> >> DARKWING DUCK which is, after all, supposed to be a kids' show.  
> >
> >Never fails to amaze me how so many people think animations are just
> >for children....

It's TRUE!!!  My grandparents love animation, but they are still children.
And I'm still a kid.  Ah, but there are those younger than I, who, alas, have
grown up, and can no longer enjoy the wonders of animation....

*sigh*

They came back from Never-Never Land.


-- SAM _S_urreal ============= ------------------------------------------- _T_error From the Terminal of the Uruk-Hai Warlord _O_f ------------------------------------------- _D_readed O "...Alas dear lass, would dass to ask? How to _D_ragons -|- repent -- prevent this indenting precedent for _A_nd / \ demented impediments with pennace...?" _R_aging B={ _D_emons ============= * ss1@kepler.unh.edu *

One last announcement about the Dean Stockwell luncheon. It's to honor
Dean on the occasion of his receiving a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame
on Saturday, February 29.

If you're planning on attending, I hope your check's in the mail. If this
is the first you've heard about it, e-mail me immediately for information.
Deadline is this Friday, the 21st, but I might be able to squeeze you in.

Sally

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     This has probably been hashed and re hashed and re re hashed in
     ^Peakdom^ for almost two years, but I was wondering...

     Hasn't anyone wondered just *who* Bobby killed and *why* and
     *when* and if they were ever gonna pick up this plotline, or
     if Laura meant "BOB"(by), not Bobby, or if he was lying when
     he told her... or what??  Doctor Jacoby seemed to get through
     to a lot of guilt behind Bobby's big-man exterior (in an
     incredible scene), yet this was never mentioned...

     I know in _Secret Diary_, it's some bum in Lowtown he killed
     or something but the Diary only touches on it vaguely.

     Just wondering what everyone's been thinking about this
     (and if you think Lynch'll pick up on it in FWWM)...

     And considering what a certain-success FWWM will be with
     overseas grosses, how likely do you think a series of ^TP^
     movies will be??

     Later....
     S  


          "I'm a politician and that means
          "I'm a liar and a cheat
          "And when I'm not kissin babies
          "I'm thinkin up new ways to steal its sucker."

           Tom Clancy, _Hunt For Red October_ 
           (in all other ways, a piece of techno
            speak garbage.  Nifty movie tho.)

           -Scott Gorcey

I was just looking over the show's cast list, and the name of Leo's lawyer
caught my eye.  


In "Body Heat," the lawyer's name was Ned Racine.  Leo's lawyer's name is
Racine as well.  Connection?
--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
"No one ever lost money underestimating the taste of the American public."
- H.L. Mencken

First off, to those who flamed my mentioning a "third series": hey, I wasn't
the one who came up with the designation. It may not be canonical, but it
turns up in a lot of places. The split between "2nd" and "3rd" is taken to be
Leland's death. Was that when TP went on hiatus in your neck of the woods, O
Americans?

Aaaaanyway, I've been going through my video library's Twin Peaks tapes. *They*
don't quite follow the "three season" convention; my "The Complete Third Series"
ends with the death of Craig McLachlan (a phrase that sounds sweet to many an
Aussie. But nevermind). I *think* I've seen a "Fourth series" somewhere else.

The "First series" packaging was a masterpiece. "Murder most fowl [sic] at Twin
Peaks". "... created by one of Hollywood's foremost directors [or something],
David Lynch?" ["?"?] Photo of Coop. "Special Agent Dale Cooper - Cool,
Calm FBI Agent" Photo of Harry. "The Sherriff". Photo of Bobby. "James Hurley -
Murder Suspect". Photo of Shelly. "Audrey Horne - the next victim?" These
embarrassments have been removed from subsequent "series". "Series 2" has no
plot summaries. "Series 3" has the following, which are so cute, I think they
originated in the States somehow.

EPISODE 14
Laura Palmer's Killer is revealed with vital help from the One-Armed man.
David Lynch directed and Guest Stars in this episode.

The identity of Laura Palmer's killer is finally revealed after Cooper and
Truman's investigation receives some vital help from the one-armed man (Al
Strobel); finances strain the relationship between Shelly and Bobby; Audrey
Horne confronts Ben with what she knows about One-Eyed Jack's; and Leland
tries to discourage Maddy from goin home.

EPISODE 15
The town hums with activity as Cooper and truman get help from One-Armed Man
in Search for Bob.

Cooper's and Truman's search for Bob gets a boost from the one-armed man (Al
Strobel), who is suffering from an identity crisis; James Hurley and Donna
Hayward miss the chance to say goodbye to Maddy; Norma jennings' mother,
Vivian (Jane Greer) brings her new husband (James Booth) for a visit; Lucy
returns home with some company; Bobby Briggs pursues a fresh money-making
venture; Pete Martell delivers a message to Ben Horne; and Leland Palmer's
driving ability comes into question.

EPISODE 16
Cooper asks Truman for 24 hours to prove who murdered Laura Palmer.

Cooper asks Truman to give him 24 hours to prove who murdered Laura Palmer;
Donna Hayward is stunned by Deputy Andy's knowledge of French; Mrs Tremond
(Mae Williams) does a disappearing act; Harold Smith leaves behind a tidbit
of valuable information; Ben Horne's business fortunes hit an all-time low;
a strange gathering is called to the roadhouse; and it's high noon for Lucy,
Andy and Tremayne (Ian Buchanan).

EPISODE 17
Agent Cooper and Sherriff Truman exchange goodbyes; and a wake is held for
Leland Palmer.

Cooper and Truman exchange goodbyes; a wake is held for Leland Palmer; Dougie
Milford, publisher of the Twin Peaks Gazette, twists the ear of his brother,
Mayor Milford; Hank takes Ernie off to an impromptu "hunting trip" to Canada;
Dr Jacoby and Ed Hurley persuade the vice principal to allow Nadine to finish
high school; Bobby borrows some duds from Leo; Catherine pays a visit to the
sherriff's station; Tremayne embraces fatherhood; an FBI agent comes to town
with unpleasant business for Cooper; and Audrey divulges her ice cream
preference to a newfound friend.

EPISODE 18
Sherriff Truman defends Agent Cooper's activities at One-Eyed Jack's, which are
under investigation.

Truman defends Cooper's activities at One-Eyed Jack's which are under 
investigation by the FBI and DEA; Mrs Briggs worries about Garland's
disappearance; Nadine continues to fall for Mike Nelson; James Hurley receives
free room and board for helping a beautiful blonde; Hank interrupts Ben
Horne's reminiscences about the past with grim reality; Andy kicks up his
heels with DEA Agent Bryson at the wedding reception of Dougie Milford and
his young bride; Catherine leaves Josie no choice but to play by her rules;
and Windom Earle makes a move.

EPISODE 19
Cooper finds a clue, and Andy and Dick Tremayne confront concerns about little
Nicky's past.

Cooper's "white glove" test yields a clue; Deputy Andy and Dick Tremayne
confront concerns about little Nicky's past; Bobby Briggs makes a fast buck;
Dougie Milford checks out of the Great Northern on his wedding night; Nadine
hears the call of organised sports; James Hurley proves handy with a wrench;
and Pete and Catherine Martell attempt a romantic candlelight dinner.

EPISODE 20
Cooper and Truman arrange a trap for Jean Renault.

Cooper and Truman arrange a trap for Jean Renault; Deputy Andy and Dick Tremayne
pry into little Nicky's past; a visit from an old lover interrupts Ben Horne,
who's busy changing history at the Battle of Gettysburg; James Hurley succumbs
to Evelyn Marsh's pleas for help; Nadine Hurley uses her superhuman strength
to rescue Ed; and Cooper's nemesis makes a horrifying opening move.

---

My impressions on watching TP the second time: you can never go "home".

If we're to believe the summaries of TP:FWWM posted, too many questions are
to be answered. Oh well, at least this closes the door to the "Apocalypse
She Wrote" situation we'd have if TP would continue after the series finale.
(Actually, I find a comparison with "Dark Shadows" more appropriate).

Anyway. c ewes l8r


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nick S. Nicholas,"Rode like foam on the river of pity
Depts. of CompSci & ElecEng,   Turned its tide to strength
University of Melbourne, Australia. Healed the hole that ripped in living"
nsn@{munagin.ee|mundil.cs}.mu.oz.au     - Suzanne Vega, Book Of Dreams
_______________________________________________________________________________

In article <9205021.15533@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (nick stavros nicholas) writes...

} First off, to those who flamed my mentioning a "third series": hey, I
} wasn't the one who came up with the designation. It may not be canonical,
} but it turns up in a lot of places. The split between "2nd" and "3rd"
} is taken to be Leland's death. Was that when TP went on hiatus in your
} neck of the woods, O Americans?

No, it wasn't. It wasn't on the next week because of the Thanksgiving
holiday, but it was back the week after that. And there was a month-long
hiatus between Episodes 18 & 19, but this corresponded with the Christmas
and New Year holidays, when most TV series take off anywhere from two to
four weeks, so it wasn't a hiatus in the strict meaning of the word in
the TV industry.

The first "real" hiatus was between Episodes #23 (in which Josie becomes
a dryad) & 24. That lasted from 16 February to 28 March 91. The next one
came after Episode #27 (4 April) and lasted until 10 June, at which point,
the last two episodes were shown here combined into a single two-hour
"movie".

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <1992Feb17.170745.3619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes:
> >
> >As a British TP fanatic who's only found this newsgroup in the last couple
> >of months, I was rather interested in what was said about the 'alternative
> >scene' in episode 9 (the pilot for the second series). In the British
> >version, Maddy looks down at the bloodstain in the rug and sees an image
> >of BOB. What happens in the US (original) version?

Maddy looks down at the rug, ominous music playing  - a very frightening
atmosphere - and sees -

a stain!   a coffee stain? a blood stain?  a cherry pie stain?

We North Americans never did know why she was so scared.

-- Diane MacMartin Bell-Northern Research, Ltd Ottawa, Canada mdm@bnr.ca Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR. =========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========

In article <14659295@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:
> >How do you folks in the US judge the situation -- is there "Annie" hope?

Interesting question.  OK, all youse guys out there -- anyone interested in
brainstorming on "What Might Have Happened Next"?  Not necessarily what will
have happened next when FWWM comes out, but what would have happened if the
show had been given another indefinite renewal.

All we know is Kyle's statement that the producers were planning on altering
the format slightly, not dragging out plotlines so much to make it easier for
new viewers to pick up on the show.

But does anyone have any ideas what would have happened with these plotlines?
What would happen to our favorite (and not-so-favorite) characters?  Would
Joan Chen and James Marshall ever return as regulars?  Would the slide of
Dale Cooper into incompetence be reversed?  How could they have gotten
the major characters out of the bank vault crisis?

And most importantly...  How IS Annie, anyway?

Taken from a column by Susan Paynter in the February 19th
Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper:

   More stars, dead and alive: The first of the six Japanese tour
groups stopping at the Salish Lodge on the Twin Peaks Tour arrived
Sunday, and several of the visiting "Peak freaks" from Tokyo promptly
burst into tears.
   Loy Helmly of the Salish says the 50 excited but politely subdued
tourists were ushered into a room to meet the late Laura Palmer
(actress Sheryl Lee) and actor Frank Silva who played "Killer Bob."  He
was the demento or possessing demon (it was never exactly clear) serial
killer of the "Twin Peaks" series.

   BOO! I'M BOB!: The visitors were expecting something like that.  But
they weren't expecting "Bob" to suddenly emit an ear-curdling shriek
and lunge at them.  "One of the women was really frightened and started
to cry, so 'Bob' gave her a big hug and that sort of broke the ice,"
Helmly said.
   Each visitor gave a gift to "Bob" and to "Laura," who, incidentally,
dressed for the occasion instead of showing up in her beach body bag.
One of the male visitors nearly swooned when the actress encircled him
in her arms after he presented her with a Japanese doll figurine.
   When the party broke up, everyone was hugging and weeping like
reunited loved ones reluctant to part.
-- Joe Malnar malnar@bcstec.boeing.com or ...!uunet!bcstec!malnar

From article <1992Feb19.043519.12677@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville):

>
> I was just looking over the show's cast list, and the name of Leo's lawyer
> caught my eye.
>
>
> In "Body Heat," the lawyer's name was Ned Racine. Leo's lawyer's name is
> Racine as well. Connection?

It's finally happened. People have reached the point of burn-out and
withdrawl that they are making up stuff!

NO! I seriously doubt that there is a connection.

John....go watch your tapes...have a cup of coffee and a donut...read a
little of the Cooper biography...put on the soundtrack and drool over
a picture of Madchen Amick/Sherilyn Fenn/Peggy Lipton and you'll
feel better in the morning.

I SWEAR!!!!


*smiles to all!*

Keep on ^Peak^in'!

Bob 'BOB' Cappel
--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
aka "BOB", eager for fun! || fear...?"
||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || is not enough...!"

In article <14659297@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:
> >Is the FWWM promotion picture available too @ audrey?

I don't think anyone uploaded the "slee.gif" you're talking about.
Is someone "in charge" of this sort of thing or should I just send it
myself?

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1992Feb19.013045.11815@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

> >     Hasn't anyone wondered just *who* Bobby killed and *why* and
> >     *when* and if they were ever gonna pick up this plotline, or
> >     if Laura meant "BOB"(by), not Bobby, or if he was lying when
> >     he told her... or what??  Doctor Jacoby seemed to get through
> >     to a lot of guilt behind Bobby's big-man exterior (in an
> >     incredible scene), yet this was never mentioned...

> >     I know in _Secret Diary_, it's some bum in Lowtown he killed
> >     or something but the Diary only touches on it vaguely.


When Donna talked about this, it came out as:  Bobby told Laura
that he had shot some guy.  Laura was actually at the
scene of the shooting in the diary, so IMHO it must be that:

Laura was really talking about BOB.
Laura was talking about Bobby Briggs and 
   1. Donna mixed up the story a little.
   2. Laura, not wanting Donna to think less of her, kept her own name out
      of the story.
   3. Bobby really did shoot someone else.
or this part of TP is little inconsistent.

Rocky Giovinazzo

nick stavros nicholas writes:
> > and Leland
> > tries to discourage Maddy from goin home.

"tries to discourage"?  I'd really hate to have seen him put his foot down!

Jim
-- James J Smith | One of the biggest obstacles to the future School of Engineering | of computing is C. C is the last attempt Newcastle University | of the high priesthood to control the engjs@cc.newcastle.edu.au | computing business. It's like the scribes --------------------------+ and the Pharisees who did not want the masses to learn to read and write. -- Jerry Pournelle

I hate to post messages like this:  Someone asked me about
getting the twinpks0-7 gif's in the last few days-- could you
please e-mail me if you still need them?

Rocky Giovinazzo
giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu

[I'm re-cross-posting this to rec.video.releases, since I've gotten a
fair number of mail messages asking these same questions.]

In article <16343@awdprime.UUCP>, ken@batman.austin.ibm.com writes...

} Would you let us know where we might find such a gem of a set and how
} much we might expect to pay for it? (I know it's rude to ask how much
} something costs, but I simply must have this)

I ordered my set through Sight & Sound (in Waltham, MA -- phone number
is 617-894-8633), my usual laserdisc pusher, who deals regularly in
Japanese imports.

(Disclaimer: I have no connection with them, other than as a customer.)

Note, though, that they do not have any currently in stock. When the
set was announced, they up and ordered 10 of them, but all 10 quickly
got reserved. No doubt as they get more requests, they'll order more,
but you may have to wait a month or two for them to arrive. I ordered
my set in November.

As for the price, I paid (not including the 5% MA tax I had to pay, or
shipping, which I didn't need, as I picked mine up in person) $672.80.
Now, a few people will say that the list price of 61,800 Yen should
equal only about $500, but keep in mind that S&S has to pay for shipping
from Japan (and once you've hefted one of these babies, you'll realize
that the shipping cost was probably not small) plus import duties. They
also don't get a very large profit margin on imports (which is why they
never offer standard discounts on them, as they do with domestic releases),
so there's a mark-up involved there as well. An extra $200 is certainly
cheaper than a flight to Tokyo. :-)

If you can find someone else that can sell you one cheaper, by all means
go for it.

Regardless, the price I paid is still worth it. The price works out to
be about $45.00 per 2-episode disc. I paid the same or more for import
discs of THE TWILIGHT ZONE (80's) and MAX HEADROOM, and even in comparison
with the following prices for television series material on domestic
laserdisc, while the price may be on the high side, it isn't grossly out
of line:

ST:TNG                $35 for a 2-episode disc
AMAZING STORIES       $35 for a 3-episode (half-hour each) disc
                      (this is proportionally equivalent to the TP
                       import disc price)
THE PRISONER          $40 for 2 single-episode discs
TWILIGHT ZONE (60's)  $40 for 4-episode (half-hour each) disc

It's a large gulp to make all at once, but I think it's worth it.

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

Dear ^TP^-fellows,

does somebody of you have a gif which shows this fabulous opening screen of
our favourite serie where you can see this 'welcome to twin peaks'-sign and
parts of the forest and the street?

I would really like to have this one...


Greetings... Matthias

|              "I must have been on the streets too long -              |
|                          the party is over...                         |
|                           Caught in a dream                           |
|                      inside this World-Machine..."                    |
|                                                                       |
| walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de   walder@dulruu51.bitnet  Ronin on IRC&BR |

Could someone tell me what town Twin Peaks was filmed in? And where
the Great Northern is (and its real name)?   Also, any other filming
locations (the sawmill, railroad bridge, etc...)
Thanks.

-- Jeff Uphoff -- "Uppie" | The post office raises the price of stamps, | becomes a paying sponsor of the olympics, juphoff@astro.phys.vt.edu | then purcahses ad time on tv to brag about it. juphoff@zia.aoc.nrao.edu | Is this a great country or what?

Could someone please email me the site (s) which have Twin Peaks GIFs, assuming
there is such a creature? Thanks.

Tom Gryn..............................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
Eagles in '92!

czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Special Agent Dale Cooper aka The Bob) writes:

> >John....go watch your tapes...have a cup of coffee and a donut...read a
> >little of the Cooper biography...put on the soundtrack and drool over
> >a picture of Madchen Amick/Sherilyn Fenn/Peggy Lipton and >you'll feel
better in the morning. 

What about Lara Flynn Boyle?  I could certainly drool over her...

mike

This is a response to a question about "what's so scary (or bad) about
Dean Stockwell's character in the movie Blue Velvet."  Since I spent
so much time getting the answer to the question, I thought I'd post it.

[Cross-posted to rec.arts.sf.tv (Quantum Leap fans) and
alt.tv.twin-peaks (David Lynch fans).]


Dean Stockwell appears in Blue Velvet 72 minutes into the movie, and stays
on-screen for only 8 minutes (from 1:12:49 to 1:20:47).

Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper) is the bad guy who has kidnapped the husband and
son of a night club singer (Isabella Rossellini).  The good guy, Jeffrey
(Kyle MacLachlan) claims to be her neighbor when Frank comes to check on
the woman.  Frank and his goons take them to Ben (Dean Stockwell), a rather
effette man that is guarding the kidnapped boy.

Ben is wearing a white ruffled shirt, dark brown-green smoking jacket with a
dull yellow paisley pattern, white pants and a black cummerbund.  He has a
gold clip in his left ear and has a cigarette in a long holder.  (A photo of
Dean Stockwell wearing this is on page 12 of Quantum Quarterly #9 (Feb-92).

}
}
}
}
}What follows is the actual dialog from the film, which was
}rated "R".   These extra lines are so that people easily
}offended by foul language can bail out now.
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}


Ben:Oh, Frank's here. (goes to door)

Frank:Brought some friends, brought some beer.

Ben:Hi, hi.

Frank:(to fat lady) Hey!  (she goes to room where they're holding the boy)

Ben:Oh, Frank.  This is a fine surprise, you've brought your friends.
I love surprises.  Please, sit down.

Frank:Suave.  God damn you're one suave fucker.  (Ben takes this as a
complement.)  You want some beer?

Ben:Of course, Frank.  (to other fat lady) Darling?  Darling, could you
bring some glasses?  And we'll have a beer with Frank, thank you.
(to group) Please, sit down.

Frank:Shit.  How the shit are you?

Ben:Fine, Frank.  Fine.  How are you?  (raises eyebrows suggestively)

Frank:Fucking good.  Real fucking good.  (beat)
Where's the glasses?  The beer's getting warm.  One think I can't
fucking stand is warm fucking beer!  It makes me puke!

Ben:That's alright.  Darling?  Where's the glasses?  (beat)
See, here are the glasses.

Frank:Where's the fucking beer, man?

(Some chitchat between the goons and Jeffrey.)

Frank:Let's drink up.

Ben:Here's to your health.

Frank:Aw, shit.  Let's drink to something else.  Let's drink to fucking!
Say "here's to your fuck, Frank!"

Ben:If you like, Frank, "here's to your fuck."  Cheers.  (more suggestive
eyebrow movements)

Frank:Suave, man.  You are so fucking suave.  (to group) Hey, we love Ben.
(others agree) Here's to Ben.  (everyone toasts, Franks walks over
to Jeffrey and slugs him on the mouth because he didn't join in.)

Hey, neighbor, "here's to Ben".

Jeffrey: (just reciting the words) Here's to Ben.

Frank:Be polite!

Jeffrey: (friendlier) Here's to Ben.

Frank:See that, Ben?  I can make him do anything I please.

Ben:(walks over, puts glass down) Thank you for the toast.  That was
very nice, neighbor.  Did he hurt your little face?  (slugs Jeffrey
in the stomach, there is much laughter) Does that feel better?

Frank:Hey, hey!

Ben:Frank, I have something for you.  (to others) Would you excuse us
all for a moment, please.

Frank:Excuse us, por favor.  Raymond, do a little baby sitting.

(In the kitchen, Ben gives Frank a wad of money, a crumpled piece of
paper, and pops a pill in Frank's mouth.)

Frank:Gordon ran right up to him in broad daylight, of course, 'cause
he's the man, right?  And he took off, his drugs with him.  It was
fucking beautiful.  (holds up a cassette tape)
The Candy Colored Clown They Call the Sandman.  Just for me.
(back to the living room) Ah, let "Tits" see her kit, huh?
"The Candy Colored Clown They Call the Sandman".

(Ben picks up a mechanic's trouble light and holds it like a
microphone.  Frank puts tape in player, Ben goes "off-stage",
clicks on the light, and starts lip syncing.)

Music:A candy colored clown they call the Sandman,
Tiptoes to my room every night.
Just to sprinkle stardust and to whisper:
Go to sleep, everything is alright.

I close my eyes, then I drift away.
Into the night, I'll softly say
a silent prary.  Like dreamers do.
Then I fall asleep to dream
my dreams of you.

In dreams,
 I walk,
  with you.
In dreams,
 I talk,
  to you.
In dreams,
 You're mine,
  All the time.
We're together ...

Frank:(cuts off the music) Let's hit the fucking road.

Ben:I'll see you Tuesday, Frank.

(Later, the song is played on the car's tape player.)
We're together,
 In dreams,
  In dreams!

But just before the dawn,
I awake and find you gone.
I can't help it,
I can't help it.
If I try.
I remember ... goodbye ...
(The rest of the song is drowned out by Frank beating up on Jeffrey.)
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In article <9205021.15533@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (nick stavros nicholas) writes:
> >First off, to those who flamed my mentioning a "third series": hey, I wasn't
> >the one who came up with the designation. It may not be canonical, but it
> >turns up in a lot of places. The split between "2nd" and "3rd" is taken to be
> >Leland's death. Was that when TP went on hiatus in your neck of the woods, O
> >Americans?

Actually, TP had the week off following Leland's death so that a
football game could be on... it had a few weeks off later in late December
(not unlike many series) but it's "official" hiatus was after Josie's death.


> >"Series 3" has the following, which are so cute, I think they
> >originated in the States somehow.

> >EPISODE 15
> >The town hums with activity as Cooper and truman get help from One-Armed Man
> >in Search for Bob.
> >
> >Cooper's and Truman's search for Bob gets a boost from the one-armed man (Al
> >Strobel), who is suffering from an identity crisis; James Hurley and Donna
> >Hayward miss the chance to say goodbye to Maddy; Norma jennings' mother,
> >Vivian (Jane Greer) brings her new husband (James Booth) for a visit; Lucy
> >returns home with some company; Bobby Briggs pursues a fresh money-making
> >venture; Pete Martell delivers a message to Ben Horne; and Leland Palmer's
> >driving ability comes into question.
I don't know about the others, but this one sounds very much like
the TV guide listings for that episode in the US.  I particularly remember, 
"James Hurley and Donna Hayward miss the chance to say goodbye to Maddy."

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1992Feb19.140051.26769@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin) writes:
> >In article <1992Feb17.170745.3619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes:

> >Maddy looks down at the rug, ominous music playing  - a very frightening
> >atmosphere - and sees -

> >a stain!   a coffee stain? a blood stain?  a cherry pie stain?

> >We North Americans never did know why she was so scared.

I had always assumed that since Maddy had mentioned a dream to 
Sarah (S: Was Laura in it?), that she had remembered a nightmare
... a nightmare of her own death... and that the rug pattern was 
a vision of her own bloodstain.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <10953@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Special Agent Dale Cooper aka The Bob) writes:
|> From article <1992Feb19.043519.12677@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville):
|> > In "Body Heat," the lawyer's name was Ned Racine.  Leo's lawyer's name is
|> > Racine as well.  Connection?
|> 
|> NO!  I seriously doubt that there is a connection.
|> 
|> *smiles to all!*
|> 
|> Bob 'BOB' Cappel

Actually Bob, he's probably right.  Lots of the names in TP are taken from
famous noir films. The names of Laura Palmer, Waldo the bird and Dr. Lydecker
are all from the classic film _Laura_ by Otto Preminger. Laura's cousin's name
Madeline Ferguson came from Hitchcock's _Vertigo_. The insurance man in episode
1006 (Mr. Neff) comes from the film _Double Indemnity_.

And if we extend the list to tv series, the name of the One-Armed Man, Phillip
Michael Gerard, comes from the show "The Fugitive."

-- David E. Coufal dcoufal@athena.mit.edu "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like. And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

Does anyone know if the movie will be released in other parts of Europe
besides London on March 1?  I'm going to Germany in March and
would love to try and see it, if it will be playing there.

Also, can someone in London give me the name of the theater where it's
opening on March 1?  (Who knows, I may make a slight detour on the way home!)

Thanks!

-- Jim
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jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> >In article <14659295@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:
>> >>How do you folks in the US judge the situation -- is there "Annie" hope?

> >Interesting question.  OK, all youse guys out there -- anyone interested in
> >brainstorming on "What Might Have Happened Next"?  Not necessarily what will
> >have happened next when FWWM comes out, but what would have happened if the
> >show had been given another indefinite renewal.

I posted about a month or so ago about myself and a friend writing a sequel
to where the series left off. It's about 2/3rds written - but unfortunately,
it hasn't been written in any order as we were writing it in strands of
storylines and saying: well, look, I want Doc Jacoby here at such and such a
time and I'd prefer it if he didn't know about so-and-so. So there's going to
be some rewriting once we organise it into a string of scenes.

So, once it's done - and it's become difficult to do now because my friend
has moved out to some tiny country town to teach - I'll post it in a series
of episodes.

But I'd be very interested in ideas that other folk have, particularly with
Donna, Ben and Catherine. I _think_ I've got the Nadine stream sorted out -
but it may depend on other threads.

Leanne Richard
University of Newcastle
Australia

The definitive Twin Peaks FTP site is down under in Australia.

The info is below.

Host audrey.sait.edu.au

    Location: /pub
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    Location: /pub/twin-peaks/GIFS/Fenn
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Try it out.                     




-- Cooper: And as we all know from experiments conducted during the Korean War, Diane, sleep deprivation is a one-way ticket to temporary psychosis. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bert Nelson Weber State University Ogden, UT USA bnelson@csulx.weber.edu

Someone could do a marvelous spoof on the theme song to the Patty Duke
Show ("but they're cousins, identical cousins ... you could lose your
mind") based on Laura and Maddy (watch Nick(elodeon) at night).  Any 
takers?  Please email as well as post, as I'm having trouble keeping
up with this group.
-- Andrew Chin Dept. of Math. Texas A&M U. College Station, TX 77843 achin@math.tamu.edu Probably not TAMU's exact opinions. (409) 845-1924 * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

[many questions deleted]

> > the major characters out of the bank vault crisis?
The bank vault question I might be able to answer. Have any of you ever 
heard of the Halifax Expolsion (other than *every* Haligonian and most Canadians
?) Well here's the deal:
in 1917 here in Halifax ( which was a big munitions port at the time), two
 ships collided, one of which was loaded with munitions. The ship drifted to 
shore, then blew up. It was the biggest man made explosion next to Hiroshima, 
and still holds the record for the biggest non nuke blast. It flattened most
of the city, windows were broken in Truro ( a 2 hour drive away), and the blast
was heard in the neighboring provinces.
Now what's the point, you ask? well, I heard that one guy who was 
fairly close to the ship when it blew got thrown about 1 mile (no kidding!).
The clothes were blown right off his body, but - get this - he survived!
Without a scratch ( or at least anyg major scratches).
If this is true, then I think most of the main characters could survive.
Of course Mr. Explosion Survivor wasn't chained to anything at the time. ;-)
later!
Mike 
> > 
> > And most importantly...  How IS Annie, anyway?

In article <1992Feb21.093201.3692@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

   [the story of the Halifax Explosion]

   shore, then blew up. It was the biggest man made explosion next to Hiroshima, 
   and still holds the record for the biggest non nuke blast. It flattened most
   of the city, windows were broken in Truro ( a 2 hour drive away), and the blast
   was heard in the neighboring provinces.

Well, `the biggest man-made explosion next to Hiroshima' is clearly
wrong (like, how about all the H-bomb tests, multi-megaton yields
etc.etc.). Possibly `the biggest man-made explosion _until_
Hiroshima'.

[I'm not even sure about that, because there was a vast explosion in
Yorkshire during the last war when an entire munitions dump went up in
one blast: about 5kT, I recall. Certainly the `biggest non-nuclear
explosion' record was quoted for that also. Reference: a longish
article, with front-page picture, in the Weekend Guardian some time in
1990 (?) :-)]

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu

In article <1992Feb21.093201.3692@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

   [the story of the Halifax Explosion]

   shore, then blew up. It was the biggest man made explosion next to Hiroshima, 
   and still holds the record for the biggest non nuke blast. It flattened most
   of the city, windows were broken in Truro ( a 2 hour drive away), and the blast
   was heard in the neighboring provinces.

Well, `the biggest man-made explosion next to Hiroshima' is clearly
wrong (like, how about all the H-bomb tests, multi-megaton yields
etc.etc.). Possibly `the biggest man-made explosion _until_
Hiroshima'.

[I'm not even sure about that, because there was a vast explosion in
Yorkshire during the last war when an entire munitions dump went up in
one blast: about 5kT, I recall. Certainly the `biggest non-nuclear
explosion' record was quoted for that also. Reference: a longish
article, with front-page picture, in the Weekend Guardian some time in
1990 (?) :-)]

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu

giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> > In article <1992Feb19.013045.11815@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffa
> > 
>> > >     Hasn't anyone wondered just *who* Bobby killed and *why* and
>> > >     *when* and if they were ever gonna pick up this plotline, or
>> > >     if Laura meant "BOB"(by), not Bobby, or if he was lying when
>> > >     he told her... or what??  Doctor Jacoby seemed to get through
>> > >     to a lot of guilt behind Bobby's big-man exterior (in an
>> > >     incredible scene), yet this was never mentioned...
> > 
>> > >     I know in _Secret Diary_, it's some bum in Lowtown he killed
>> > >     or something but the Diary only touches on it vaguely.
> > 
> > 
> > When Donna talked about this, it came out as:  Bobby told Laura
> > that he had shot some guy.  Laura was actually at the
> > scene of the shooting in the diary, so IMHO it must be that:
> > 
> > Laura was really talking about BOB.
> > Laura was talking about Bobby Briggs and 
> >    1. Donna mixed up the story a little.
> >    2. Laura, not wanting Donna to think less of her, kept her own name out
> >       of the story.
> >    3. Bobby really did shoot someone else.
> > or this part of TP is little inconsistent.
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo

IMHO, option 2. is the answer.  I used to think that the Diary was only a 
marketing ploy and had very little to do with the real important 
plotlines of TP.  Now, hearing about FWWM, it seems like more of it is 
making GOOD sense!  Laura would not want her best friend to know she was 
THERE when Bobby blew the guy away.  Rocky suggests that her motivation 
to change the story a little would be "not wanting Donna to think less of 
her," but by that time Laura and Donna's friendship was strained, to say 
the least...at least, according to the Diary.  She just didn' deliberately lied
to keep herself looking good in her own eyes...remember the two main 
Theses of Twin Peaks:

     1.  "The Thing is About Secrets", and
     2.  Practically everyone is Split, i.e. has a good part and a bad    
         part.

Again, this Split of the good Laura Palmer and the bad Laura Palmer is 
VERY evident in the Diary, and should be evident in the upcoming FWWM.  I 
will also take bets that the shooting scene will be covered in FWWM.

Last comment: come on!  Someone out there knows Kanji, or knows somebody 
who knows Kanji.  Put the name on the board.  Then the gentleman with the 
Box set could send a photocopy of the Kanji material to our Kanji expert, 
who can then dutifully translate, and (after editing out stuff we already 
know) POST all the tidbits, and any conflicts between that material and 
material we already have!  

Ain't this what this net is REALLY for???

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