Season 2, Episode 02: Coma — October 06–12, 1990

In article <1990Oct8.165329.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >Now that's a strange idea.  Although he did (apparently) walk into One-Eyed
> >Jack's with $10,000 of ``the Agency's money'' he did turn out to be a card-
> >counter so that doesn't rule it out.

The $10,000, I believe, was the same $10,000 that was found in Laura's
safe deposit box.  Money gained illegally belongs to the government, according
to RICO and other bad laws.

Even though I believe Cooper to really, really be an FBI agent, the $10,000
proves nothing since he obtained it from Laura's safe deposit box.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

dd@sei.cmu.edu (Dennis Doubleday) writes:

> >It's not really a valid reason, but I also suspected him because of
> >external associations--the actor, David Patrick Kelly, always plays
> >anti-social creeps, most memorably in "The Warriors."

Quite memorably, except that was James Remar, not David Patrick Kelly.
I made the mistake myself when I first saw him on TP.  Both actors
were in 48 Hrs., so I'll have to rent it and compare them.  Mr. Kelly
was also in "The Misfit Brigade", which I've not seen (and a small
part in Wild at Heart, and thus very possibly other Lynch films.)

James Remar has been in Band of the Hand, The Cotton Club, 48 Hrs,
Quiet Cool, Rent-a-Cop, The Warriors, and Windwalker.

I didn't pick the nit until I'd seen it twice,

Pete Harlan
copper.ucs.indiana.edu
"Why'd you shoot him?"  "No reeaasson..."  -- James Remar, The Warriors

Screwed up my previous post, instead of the punchline being

> >The third competitor replies "he will be a father again!"

it should have read

"he will NOT be a father again"


sorry about that,
Louie

The reason that Catherine "masterminded" the real ledger was to cause
the mill to lose money.  That was the plan that catherine had.  Now to
achieve this loss of money, while appearing to actually make money (as
shown by the phoney ledger) is quite a trick.  You can't just stop
taking orders and refusing to work to lose money.  That's kinda blatant.
 Catherine needed to be losing money, but she also needed to hide this
fact from Josie who would have caught on right away if the mill had
stopped taking orders.
 
  Thus there is no lie there, just a misunderstanding from the viewers. 
 
J-l P

In article <15911@shlump.nac.dec.com> hallyb@globbo.enet.dec.com (John Hallyburton) writes:
> >
> >rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter) writes...
>> >>The killer is Leland. Logic as follows: [deleted]
> >
> >The killer is not Leland.  Logic as follows:  Theresa Banks was killed
> >elsewhere in the state.  Nobody in Twin Peaks would commit a second similar
> >crime that close to home.  Of course if you postulate mental illness then
> >anybody can be guilty...

Wow, that's pretty good!  You just eliminated the whole cast of TP.
heh.  BZZT.  I don't buy this logic applied to Leland or anyone
else.  It's aparent that the person who killed Laura was probably
pretty strange.  (fire walk with me, ritual things around site.)
Any of the characters could be pretty strange, even Leland.
And you don't have to be mentally derranged to travel, or to duplicate
a similar crime.  Leland goes off on business trips, Laura mentions a 3
day one he took in the diary for instance.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

In article <1990Oct9.154947.15748@midway.uchicago.edu> pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
> >The giant's voice did *not* drop out as viewed on a Rochester, New
> >York cable system. The voice *did* drop in the Chicago area on *both*
> >cable and over-the-air broadcasts.
> >
> >So, I am pretty certain it is not a Lynch trick. Perhaps it has
> >something to do with the network satellite feed to the midwest (and
> >maybe points west.)

Thats it! It was the communications company that somehow secretly 
inserted

   /COOPER/COOPER/COOPER/COOPER

and

   /THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM

into the papers that Major Briggs showed to Cooper.

sorry I couldn't resist,
Louie

Just a quick comment on the whole "owl" issue.
Ignore Laura's secret diary and the owl references of the Log Lady
for the moment and just look at what the giant told Cooper:

"The owls are not what they seem."

Besides the obvious way to interpret "owls" in this statement, there
is another somewhat interesting definiton:

owl: n. 1. A person of solemn appearance, etc.
        2. A person with nocturnal habits.

And, just in case:

solemn: adj. 1. Marked by gravity, serious.   
     2. Of great reputation, dignity, importance.

Using this less common definition, the giant's statement can be taken
in some interesting ways.

Interesting Possiblilty #1:

"The serious looking people are not what they seem."
OR
"The reputable people are not what they seem"  

This could refer to the Hornes and their irregular business ventures,
or perhaps even Harry and some other seriously reputable people, even 
possibly Leland.

Interesting Possibility #2:

"The nocturnal people are not what they seem."

Well, Laura says that BOB only comes at night in her Secret Diary.
Maybe BOB isn't what he seems.
  Also notice that most (all?) of the visions/dreams have occurred
in the evening.  This includes the giant himself, the Man From Another
Place and BOB.  Maybe all these apparently physical beings are not
really physical beings.  I can hope, anyway.

I realize this is all rather unlikely and the giant was probably 
referring to the owls in the woods, but I thought it was interesting
enough that I'd share it.

   Herb...

rissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Patricia O Tuama) writes:

} >In article <1990Oct7.055750.13024@zip.eecs.umich.edu> chrisl@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris Lang) writes:
} >>This certainly seems to be what comes to mind after the last episode.  The
} >>only trouble is that even if Leland has a split personality, 

} >Given that the concept of a "split personality" was invented by 
} >Hollywood and does not exist in real life, it almost seems rather 
} >pointless to speculate on who has one and why.....

You obviously know nothing about abnormal psychology.  Multiple personality
disorder is a very rare neurosis, but it most certainly does exist outside
Hollywood (or the Great Northwest, for that matter).  Check out the DSM-III-R
(Diagnostic Statistical Manual Mark III - Revised) of psychology for an exact
description.  The movies and the tube may have their statistics wrong about
the frequency of MP Disorder (and how 'bout amnesia? Puh-leeez!), but the
condition itself is entirely fact-based.


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Captain Frank A. Lauro      "There are giants out there in the canyons    
Commanding Officer           And a good captain can't fall asleep..."        
U.S.S. ALEXA NCC 1764-D             ---Billy Joel, "The Downeaster Alexa"

In article <8083@scolex.sco.COM> seanf (Sean Fagan) writes: >
> >In article <1990Oct2.031402.20048@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
>> >>body. One only, known to you, ready to speak."
>> >>The three who have seen the third man are Sarah Palmer and Cooper
>> >>himself, in visions. The third, of course, is Ronette Pulaski who
>> >>is out of her coma and ready to speak.

There are others who have/could have seen BOB. I posted that one already.


> >Now here's where I want to disagree.  Ronette is *not* ready to speak;
> >remember Cooper's comment to Albert about her not being able to talk yet?
> >I have a hard time believing that this was something overlooked by Lynch and
> >Frost; so what could it mean?

It could mean One Armed Mike, he seemed to want to speak to authorities
for some reason, and Coop's dream implied a strong connection between
Mike Gerard and BOB.  

The more obvious choice is Leland, who definately
has seen BOB, and seems to want to talk to the authorities ASAP.

Michael Kaye    horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu
"I see Donna more now, and she's with Mike.  I guess she's happy,
 but the two of them remind me of a chewing gum commercial or
something.  'Happiness and ambition, athletics and academics,
 rah, rah, rah."     --L

In article <15902@shlump.nac.dec.com>, j_halpin@turkey.dec.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
> > I watched that scene again last night and BOB definitely does NOT
> > have handcuffs on. Right at the end of that scene, they show BOB kneeling
> > next to Laura with one hand on his knee. There is nothing attached to his
> > wrist and his other hand is not in sight.

  Agreed.  I haven't bothered to check whether he had handcuffs on earlier
  and somehow - off camera - removed them for that final shot, bit it seems
  unlikely.

> > That CPR line is nothing but junk. You do not give CPR by raising
> > both hands over you head and smashing down on the chest as hard as possible!

  True.  But suppose you knew your patient was dying and you were really
  upset that she was.  You'd be performing standard CPR and when it failed
  to revive her, you might just increase the pressure and even go a bit 
  crazy and finally scream in despair at your failure.  Is it not
  possible that that's what BOB's doing?  I don't particularly buy in
  to this theory, but one of my roommates does, so I feel obliged to
  defend it a bit.
   Herb...

Dear Folks:

I am trying to find out if the static in the last sequence of
fast-forward images of the last episode was deliberate; I think it
was.  Perhaps it's obvious to everybody else, but some of my
acquaintances are not convinced.  Can anybody help me?  Thanks in
advance.

--Seth Johnson, sejohnson on PeaceNet

In article <7581@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Michael Kaye) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Oct7.190340.10939@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>> >>   I agree with those posters who have identified Jerry Horne as BOB (brother
>> >>of Ben).  
> >
> >Jerry is one of the few characters we can near absolutely rule out.  
> >He was in France when Laura was murdered.

What's the evidence that Jerry was actually in France?

1)  He said so
2)  He had some Brie/Oleomargarine/Baguette :-) sandwiches, wrapped in 
    plain paper, that he claimed he got there
3)  He had some suitcases with him

Iron-clad evidence indeed.

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    OK. . . I know this is JUST what this newsgroup needs:  more
theories!  Here we go.

    It's my opinion that the Asian guy was hired by Josie to kill
Cooper.  He *did* seem surprised to find that Coop was alive, and
besides:  Josie has shown that she doesn't have any compunction
against contract killings.  Ah, but why???  Was Cooper getting too
close to something she wanted to keep hidden?

    I've been dying to post this.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but
doesn't it seem that Frost (who did the teleplay for the premiere)
wanted to do MORE with the first confrontation between Audrey and
Blackie?  Considering Blackie's not-entirely-one-way leanings ev-
idenced by the diary and her seductively-clad "attendants", I was
expecting more when Blackie was putting Audrey in her place.  It
seemed to me that whatever Frost had in mind, the network censors
didn't approve of.  This isn't just my sick mind, either. . . a
lot of people I asked agreed with me on this.

    As sson as people started talking sci-fi, I got worried.  I'm
all for the lean towards the supernatural, and I love sci-fi by
itself, but when I put Twin Peaks and sci-fi together in my mind,
I got an initial shudder of distaste.  But then, after looking
back on the scenes suggesting an outer space element, I realized
that even if there is sci-fi in Twin Peaks' future, Lynch and Frost
will handle it well.  I don't think we have to worry about cheesy
alien effects or flying saucers.  If the show is meant to go sci-fi,
I'm willing to bet that it's going to be like no sci-fi we've ever
seen before.

    OK, about the "Is BOB screaming, or is he laughing" debate,
I'm going to put my money on screaming.  Let me go out on a wild
tangent here and offer some half-baked speculation.  There's
strong belief that BOB had somehow taken over Laura, or entered
her mind, or something like that.  All theories I've heard on the
matter portray BOB as the invader, and indeed he was in the diary.
But what about at the time of Laura's death?  What if Laura left
HER body and invaded BOB's???  This could explain all the ritual-
istic stuff at the end, and why BOB was screaming, yes screaming.

    There probably aren't very many of you left after all that,
so if you want more totally unfounded thoughts from me, just re-
ply and let me know you're reading.  If not, may you be lost in
the woods at night. . .

Time to go out on a limb here...

We know that Leland knew someone who looked like Killer Bob as a child.
Killer Bob's only appearances have been in visions/dreams.  Ronnette reacted
  strongly to the picture, but we have no evidence that she ever actually saw
  him.  Assuming the dream at the end of episode 1 was hers and not Cooper's,
  we know that she did see him in the vision.
According to Cooper, it's possible to be a psychic "sender."

New Theory:
Leland was molested as a child by someone who looked like Killer Bob.  He
himself had been molesting Laura (and possibly Ronnette?).  Killer Bob is
his "mental image" of himself as a molester and, (inadvertantly?) in Laura's
case, a murderer.  His grief and madness are projecting this image to everyone
who can receive it.

I still like my theory from last year that Laura found out something
damaging about Josie's past and that she hired Leo to kill Laura, thus
explaining the still unexplained opening shot of the first movie.  Can both
of these be true?  Maybe Leo couldn't/didn't finish it and it was only
coincidence that Leland happened by/followed them and ended up killing Laura.

-paul asente

New address!asente@adobe.com...decwrl!adobe!asente

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organizations, the Gideon Society, thrift stores, and your parents'
house.  Be advised that in certain instances theft is a moral
obligation.

In today's (10/9/90) Star news (Pasasdena local paper), there was a small
article about the Twin Peaks Hotline.  It is one of those 900-number,$2 for
the first minute, $1 for each add'l minute thingies.  

Supposedly, Lucy, Andy, and Dr Haywood will be making recorded statements
about the previus weeks show.  In addition, an unidentified mystery man
(BOB ?!?!?) will "disclose new information and clues on events that will
likely arise."  

A portion of the revenue generated will be donated to environmental
organizations.

The number is (900) 860-0911.

So, is anyone out there going to call, then post any interesting tidbits?

John Feiler

In article <M1T%XK^@rpi.edu> mok@pawl.rpi.edu (... Mok.) writes:
>> > >does the name Dr. Brian O'Blivion ring a bell?
> >    Okay, I give up. YES, it rings a bell. Now who the hell is he?!?

"VideoDrome".

David Cronenburg.

Totally irrelevant.

Followups to alt.cult-movies.


--
Lefty  (lefty@twg.com)                        "Look!  It's trying to think!"
DoD # 0152

ok heres my theory on the UFO thing, its not fully developed yet so
everyone is free to take it and run with it as far as it will hold water.

Anybody seen the movie or better yet read the book "communion"?
 Just as there maybe the "manchurian candidate" connection to Peaks,
I suggest that there maybe a communion connection, this way
Lucy being impregnated by aliens is more likely or at least possible.

In communion the UFO were actually or rather possibly ourselves or
our possible selves pulling us towards a new yet undefined consciousness.
Its not that the UFOs were not "real" its that it didnt matter because the
effect was certainly the same either way.  and possibly even physically real as well

Could cooper be unconsciously psychic to use an antiquated term.  
A lot of very physical things become possible once you start accepting
the quantum paradigm and forgeting the BS about there's supposedly
a difference between the inside of your head and the outside.
We know that Cooper is in to the Tibet thing and knows the history
of that magically wild place.  Being open to that history might
open himself up to bringing in the UFO Interpol to work on
the twin peaks case whether consciously or intentionally.

For inspiration along these lines and concepts please read a book called
"beyond the quantum" or something close to that title.

so what do you think?
-jonathan prince

as for why does the kid look like Lynch?
lets broaden the question, why does cooper look like lynch?
in time magazine he says that he dreams of paintings and then
tries to paint them later, maybe this is all his dream and hes placing
himself in his own dream? this seems likely.

What the kids said:

I dont know french at all so thats not what i assumed at all.  I thought
he was talking backwords.  I was hoping someone was audio taping it and 
would play it backwords and give us a report.

corn:  I dont know what it means but I want to dress us this kid
this halloween but I havent figured out how to hold the creamed corn.
any suggestions?

-jonathan prince

Well, I sat down the other night and thought this thing out a bit.
I looked for motive and opportunity.  What I got was this:

1)  The murderer had to have freedom to roam

2)  The murderer had to have a boat

3)  The murderer had to want to kill Laura

4)  The murderer had to be "badder" than Leo

5)  The murderer knew Josie


Why?


1)  The murderer was out for 2+ hours in the middle of the night.
    You have to be able to do this easily.  Granted, Donna or James
    could have shook loose, but this seems unlikely.

2)  Laura's body was found on the shore of a lake.  It wasn't washed
    up there.  The murderer had to have a boat to get it there.
    Well, a boat would be the easiest thing to use.

3)  Murders have a reason.  Random violence is rare.  Especially in
    the Great Northwest.

4)  Jacques was stabbed at the cabin and collasped outside.  Then Leo
    left.  A normal mode of action would be to take Laura and Ronnette
    near their homes.  However, he left by himself.  There are only a
    few characters with enough authority to get Leo out of there.

5)  In episode #0, Josie knew something bad was going to be discovered
    when Pete left the house.

Whodunit?

Ben.

Ben had freedom of motion.  Additionally, he seems to never sleep.

Ben has a boat.  That's how he gets to OEJ's.

The supposition:  Laura had learned from Josie that Josie and Ben were
                  out to get the mill.  Josie tells Ben.  Something has
                  to be done.

Ben can make Leo go away.

Ben stopped to tell Josie the evil deed was done and dropped the body off.
The rock does provide good cover to ground a boat.  This is the weak link,
as that seems like a silly place to put the body.  However, Catherine,
Josie, and Pete are not prime suspects for murder.


I'll go with Killer Bob is actually a manifestation of Leland the 
molester.  Someone molested him, etc.  This is the psychic part of
the show.  Leland followed Laura that night and found her dead.
Bob is a red herring.  He didn't do it.  You are driven to believe it,
just like in murder mysteries, where the most obvious suspect usually
doesn't do it.

The Log?   Margaret's husband.  That could explain the computer message,
if you buy the psychic/ghost aspect of the show.

Other things are red herrings and future plot devices.  

Coop's partner will show up later and ally with the Evil in the Woods.
Leo won't get blamed for the fire, but will cause trouble from his bed.
Catherine has Josie.  Self-preservation, if you will.
Donna's getting weird could develop nicely.


One thing still has me confused:  Andy

Andy seems a little strange.  Yeah, an understatement, I know.  However,
if Killer Bob had handcuffs on and if his actions after getting hit
by the board in Season 2 Ep 0 can be considered relevent.  He got hit
and blood was coming out his nose.  In the shot of Killer Bob leaning
over Laura's bed (from Sarah's vision and from the dream sequence in Ep 2),
is there a red blood spot on the bed?  Like his nose had been bleeding?
My VCR isn't good enough to tell if it's blanket pattern or blood.
If this is true, then Andy might be Bob.  My money's still on Leland.



That's long enough.  Of course, I have two other good theories, but
I like this one best.


Curtis Hill
hill@cs.unc.edu

In article <1990Oct8.152055.10085@dg-rtp.dg.com>, holtm@sandman.rtp.dg.com (Mark Holt) oozed:
==> About that kid with the creamed corn fetish:
==> 
==>     (I missed the credits.) Is he David Lynch's son/grandson or clone?

david lynch's son, austin (different mom than jennifer).

hanna
-- ``Censorship in any form is completely unacceptable in a free society. Now, if we could just find a free society somewhere... --Hiram

I'm quite sure it's "J'ai une ame solitaire."  Translated: "I have
a solitary soul."  Here probably "solitary" as in "lonely."  Like
the Maytag repairman.

Separate point: see the current National Review (10/1/90), article
by Joseph Sobran, entitled "Weird America."  While I'm rarely a
fellow traveler of Mr. Sobran's, this time he comes through not too
badly.  He likes Lynch in spite of himself.

For example, regarding TP:
  "It's funny, but in a funny way.  There are no mandatory laughs
   in Lynch's work; even the broadest jokes seem to be private.
   Good and evil are clearly -- even violently -- distinguished,
   but, otherwise, the normal and the abnormal keep close company,
   even within a single character.  Lynch is so interested in loose
   ends for their own sake that it's almost impossible to conceive
   of a satisfying resolution for Twin Peaks.  In the same way,
   Blue Velvet's happy ending, an Ozzie-and-Harriet return to
   suburban bliss, seemed forced."

                                               Phil

  Just thought I'd look at the Major's message from a scientific point
of view. If this message came from some distant galaxy that the major and
his colleagues were monitoring, then that message must have been sent 
millions of years ago. It takes time for radio waves to travel such
large distances. Therefore, I think that the messages about the owls
and Cooper were somehow inserted into what's on the printouts by the
good ghosts.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu
SPAN: ceres::jak

Call 900-860-0911 for a rehash of each week's espisode, featuring Lucy, Andy
and Dr. Hayward.  The money goes to charity, so it's not exactly a rip-off, 
but according to the only person I know who has called it, it doesn't
offer any particular insights.  It might be good for a laugh, but at 2
dollars for the first minute and 1 dollar for each additional minute, it
better be really good.  Maybe if I get desperate for a TP "fix"...

The merchandising of this show, as detailed in earlier posts, is
pretty quirky.  No straight novelization, but a fictional "diary".
A tape of Cooper's observations.  What's next, tapes of "My Confessions 
to Dr. Jacobi"?   How about a daily newspaper, like Nat'l Lampoon's
newspaper parody?  I can just picture the comics page - "The Far Side",
"The Angriest Dog in the World", "Zippy", "Krazy Kat" An advice column
called "Ask Dr. Jacobi".  Great headlines like "Dead Prom Queen Found
Wrapped in Plastic".

- Dan

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"Elvis was seated on the toilet, actually reading a religious book...when 
suddenly a terrible pain gripped him by his stomach and seized his heart with a
strangler's grip.  'Oh no, dear dear God,' he thought.  He couldn't move.  He 
couldn't get up.  He had to get up.  He must get up...That terrible pain, like 
swords of fire, jabbing, slitting, cutting into his stomach, and especially his
liver - it was impossible to bear...Suddenly the thought flashed through him: 
this must be like what Jesus suffered."
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In article <8050@gollum.twg.com> james@twg.com (James Marshall) writes:
> >Doesn't the whole bit of getting messages in dreams from outer space
> >aliens kind of reek of ALL of Philip K. Dick's later works?  I mean,
> >that seemed to be his whole theme near the end.
> >
> >Does anyone else feel this way?
> >
> >-James

  Given that Lynch directed Dune I'd say it came from that direction. After
all Agent Cooper was a Kwisatz Haderach in a previous existance. Well at
least the "prescient dreams angle" probably came from Dune.

  Aliens from another planet corrupting people through their sub-conscience.
That's a plot line from just about any H.P. Lovecraft short story one can name.
The setting matches too: a remote rural community surrounded by woods, an
unspeakable ritual murder. When Cooper & Co. were in the cafe talking about
an unnameable evil lurking in the woods it sounded like something straight
from one of his stories. It's probably just me though.

  So that about wraps it up: all the townspeople are members of the cult of
Cthulhu and are covering up her ritual sacrifice to the Old Ones. 


- Mark Crowmell

In <8050@gollum.twg.com> james@twg.com (James Marshall) writes:

> >OK, I thought surely someone would point this out before me, but it
> >hasn't happened.

> >Doesn't the whole bit of getting messages in dreams from outer space
> >aliens kind of reek of ALL of Philip K. Dick's later works?  I mean,
> >that seemed to be his whole theme near the end.

> >Does anyone else feel this way?

> >(Has anyone else read Philip K. Dick?)

> >-James

Definitely!  I was glad to hear someone else thought so.  The last
bits of the last episode were very "Radio Free Albemuth"-esque.  So,
does this mean that Killer Bob is really just some kind of 
anti-Valis terrorist?

(Apologies to non-readers of PKD)


--R

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First, to digress: How many Twin Peaks characters have now seen Killer Bob?
We have Mrs. Palmer and Cooper from the first season.  Anyone else
from then?  Now we can add Ronette Polaski and Cousin Maddie (a/k/a
Laura Palmer??).  


In <1990Oct7.190340.10939@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   I agree with those posters who have identified Jerry Horne as BOB (brother
> >of Ben).  I think when Jerry changes into BOB, he either disguises himself or
> >has a physical transformation of supernatural kind (sort of like Norman Bates
> >turning into his mother).  
> >   Leland senses that Jerry is BOB, but only subconciously.  Jerry is anxious
> >to take appropriate steps before this becomes concious.
I tend to disagree, if only because it doesn't fit well enough into Cooper's
"Man from Another Place" dream.  Besides, he looks more like "Larry" from
Newhart.  Which fits into my theory, that Bob's last name is "Newhart".

Michale Kaye, who slamdanced my little syllogism on BOB
and owls (which by the way had nothing to do with the LA Times
piece--since I live in Oregon and wouldn't have anything to do
with theories concocted by Californicators...well, southern ones
anyway), asks where a previous respondent got that "tooth fairy"
idea.  Maybe s/he just finished the same book I did:  Thomas
Harris' Red Dragon--an electro-shock of a read--which has a
Killer BOB-like psycho-serial killer known by the press as
the Tooth Fairy--for his habit of biting the lips off of 
reporters and his female victims to death.  Lynch has read
this book (and Harris' even more bizarre follow-up Silence
of the Lambs) and YOU should too!
A few more notes on the owls are not what they seem.
Owls have always been associated mythologically and folklorically
(is that a word? probably some desperate grad student coined it)
with death, mystery, the dark forces of the woods.  For the
owls not to be what they seem they would have to be other
than this...i.e., representative of the life-force, of birth,
renewal, ect...
Of course, I no longer think the reference has anything
to do with Killer BOBs or owl birds, but AL-Berts.  The Als are
not what they seem.  In other words, deep down, under that gruff,
metropolitan, cynical, Joe Friday exterior, Albert's really an
Al-an Al-da type of guy.

Jeffrey St. Clair

There once was a fellow named Schroeder,
who buggered the vane servomotor,
he soon grew a prong
on the end of his schlong
and hired himself
a promotor.

Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

***
***
1) just b/c leland says that he remembers bob from his childhood
doesn't make bob a real person...thirty years from now maddy may
remember bob from her childhood (visions)...i don't think we can
conclude that a long haired freak is running around TP

2) hopefully there'll be enough new music to put out volume 2 of the
TP soundtrack...already there's the guitar twang number when
donna/lauren bacall visits james...and there's also james doing his
huey/louie/dewey voice as he croons to D & M...i just love this muzik

3) perhaps when someone thought that the new girl at OEJ in season 1
was lucy, they were not wrong...maybe that's how lucy got
pregant...and since then she quit

4) i'm curious about the previews for next week...they show the OAM in
a bathroom stall (?) shot & dead (?) w/ coop's voice saying remember
in my dream the OAM knew bob...why on earth would anyone shoot the
OAM?...something big must go down involving him next week!

5) also, i believe there *is* a space connection...the giant did not
simply use major briggs's equipment to send a message...if the giant
had done that, how was it to be guaranteed that the major would
deliver the message?...no, i believe that since briggs monitors deep
space, he picked up the giants communications w/ coop...they are
aliens..not neccesariliy UFO aliens...just not from earth...not
humans...the log, having some kind of tie to the alien presence,
picked up the "deliver the message" which the log lady told briggs

6) an off the wall idea i had was that of alien abductions...maybe bob
was abducted when leland was a child...he now has the ability to time
travel, et al...i don't know!

7) from what lynch & frost said, the killer is not the same as in the
euroversion...the way things are going, i'd say its the same as the
euroversions w/ bob as the time travelling killer and the OAM out to
stop him

console cowboy
***
***
--------------------------end of transmission------------------------

In article <1990Oct9.231818.22559@odin.corp.sgi.com>, bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon) writes...

> >The tape will be updated weekly Sun mornings @ 6am.
> >$2 first min, $1/minute after.  A portion of the profits
> >will be donated to "environmental organizations."  1-900-860-0911

Having called it, I can elaborate more.  Those who wish to call, I'll give you
a chance at being able to hear it for yourself.  For the most part, nothing 
really substantial's said, but it's kind of fun...  So, 

*Minor Spoilers Follow*



Lucy answers the phone as if you were calling the sheriff's office to see 
what's up.  We even get an interruption from Deputy Brennan who tries to ask 
her out to the upcoming "smelt fry."  She indelicately refuses.

Anyway, to the chase.  Practically the first thing of substance Lucy tells us
of is the "cream corn" scene.  Guess that's important.  But THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING I HEARD (imho) was when Lucy describes Ronnette's reaction to the drawing
of Bob; Lucy said that Ronnette meant that Bob killed Laura and hurt her.  
Now, whether we are to take this seriously or not, I'm uncertain...

Then, the "mystery voice" interrupts Lucy in a feigned phone mishap.  He 
gives info about the "OWLS" transmission and other obvious stuff.  The only
"clue" here was that the "voice" claimed that Donna was going to visit the
house of Mr. Smith and that he (the voice, that is) didn't think it was such a 
good idea.  

So, all in all, a good thing to call for junkies like myself.  I'm almost 
positive I've missed something, as it goes by pretty quickly, and I'm not sure
I'm willing to pay another $2-$3 when somebody with better technology will
have the whole thing transcribed by tomorrow...
******************************************************************************
Mike Cluff*   One who knows does not post;
v22964qs@ubvms or mike%luick@ubvms*       One who posts does not know.
UB Language Perception Laboratory*         (apologies to Lao Tzu)
******************************************************************************

In article <16640@thorin.cs.unc.edu> hill@threonine.cs.unc.edu (Curtis Hill) writes:
> >
> >
> >Well, I sat down the other night and thought this thing out a bit.
> >I looked for motive and opportunity.  What I got was this:
> >
> >1)  The murderer had to have freedom to roam
> >
> >2)  The murderer had to have a boat
> >
> >3)  The murderer had to want to kill Laura
> >
> >4)  The murderer had to be "badder" than Leo
> >
> >5)  The murderer knew Josie
> >
[Stuff about how this all points to Ben deleted]
> >
> >Curtis Hill
> >hill@cs.unc.edu

These factors could also point to Harry Truman:

1.  The sheriff certainly has freedom to roam.

2.  It would be reasonable for either Harry or
the Sheriffs Dept. to have a boat.

3.  I don't know what his motive is.  Several others have
already advanced theories on this point.

4.  He could make Leo go away.

5.  He knows Josie.


Brian

I think that Lucy hung-up on Cooper's ex-partner.

Jeffrey St. Clair

In article <16640@thorin.cs.unc.edu> hill@threonine.cs.unc.edu (Curtis Hill) writes:
> >Well, I sat down the other night and thought this thing out a bit.
> >I looked for motive and opportunity.  What I got was this:
> >1)  The murderer had to have freedom to roam

Doesn't everyone?  Even Donna can sneak out her window for a night.

> >2)  The murderer had to have a boat

nah. Anyone could have dumped the body in the river.

> >3)  The murderer had to want to kill Laura

wrong. It could be self defense.  Don't laugh.  Laura speaks of a challenge
in the diary.  Laura could have forced him to kill her.  It's Possible.

> >4)  The murderer had to be "badder" than Leo

wrong.  Period.

> >5)  The murderer knew Josie

wrong.  Not necessarily.

> >Why?
> >1)  The murderer was out for 2+ hours in the middle of the night.
> >    You have to be able to do this easily.  

Nah.  It was a special occasion.  Anyone could do it.

> >2)  Laura's body was found on the shore of a lake.  It wasn't washed
> >    up there.  The murderer had to have a boat to get it there.
> >    Well, a boat would be the easiest thing to use.

wrong.  It was washed up.  They say so.  Anyway, if you were right 
Coop would be looking for boat owners.  It could have been dumped by 
boat, but it doesn't have to have been.  It's a river not a lake.

> >3)  Murders have a reason.  Random violence is rare.  Especially in
> >    the Great Northwest.

Lots of people could have had reasons.  Even Laura.  I don't think 
it was random violence.

> >4)  Jacques was stabbed at the cabin and collasped outside.  Then Leo
> >    left.  A normal mode of action would be to take Laura and Ronnette
> >    near their homes.  However, he left by himself.  There are only a
> >    few characters with enough authority to get Leo out of there.

Nah. Jacques was his over the head with a whiskey bottle.  Laura and 
Ronette were gone when he awoke.  At least that's what he says. :)

> >5)  In episode #0, Josie knew something bad was going to be discovered
> >    when Pete left the house.

Maybe.

> >Whodunit?  Ben.

Ben is a very good candidate for alot of reasons, but not these.

> >Ben had freedom of motion.  Additionally, he seems to never sleep.

Lucy has freedom of motion.  What makes you think Ben doesn't sleep?


> >The supposition:  Laura had learned from Josie that Josie and Ben were
> >                  out to get the mill.  Josie tells Ben.  Something has
> >                  to be done.

yeah.  that could work.  Laura knew alot about Ben, well at least enough
that she says, "I'm going to have to tell the world about Benjamin."
The fact that Laura knew too much about Ben is a clear motive for her
murder.  I'm not going to repost the many reasons why Ben is a good candidate.

> > Ben can make Leo go away.

Good point.  Ben does have power over Leo, and furthermore, he could
make him shut up about whatever happened.  But really, if I saw
killer BOB, I'd leave like Leo did too!  Maybe Leo saw killer BOB,
like Ronette did.  Well there are lots of possible reasons why he
could have left, it doesn't have to have been Ben.

> >I'll go with Killer Bob is actually a manifestation of Leland the 
> >molester.  Someone molested him, etc.  This is the psychic part of
> >the show.  Leland followed Laura that night and found her dead.
> >Bob is a red herring.  He didn't do it.  You are driven to believe it,
> >just like in murder mysteries, where the most obvious suspect usually
> >doesn't do it.

So you think Ben killed Laura, and Leland found her dying?  There were 
3 men, not 4 that night.  Ben couldn't have been there if Leland was, 
too.  It's one or the other.

> >The Log?   Margaret's husband.  That could explain the computer message,
> >if you buy the psychic/ghost aspect of the show.

I posted the message saying Log = Margarets husband = Giant = tree
so you won't get any argument here.  :)  (see pg. 47 of diary)

> >That's long enough.  Of course, I have two other good theories, but
> >I like this one best.
> >Curtis Hill
> >hill@cs.unc.edu

Keep the theories comin!  Lets hear the other ones you have!
Ben is my #2 candidate after Leland for BOB/3rd man.

In article <1990Oct9.210809.14123@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct8.165329.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:

> >The $10,000, I believe, was the same $10,000 that was found in Laura's
> >safe deposit box.  Money gained illegally belongs to the government, according
> >to RICO and other bad laws.

That should not have happened if true.  The government can't use the money
from an ongoing investigation, especially if Cooper can't be certain that the
serial numbers stay the same.(If he could, it would still be grounds for a
dismissal, but only if caught.)

Andy

Ciao--

Sorry but I can't remember her name, but wasn't the actress who
played the old lady with the Son-of-Lynch grandson the same 
actress who played Jefferies Aunt (or anyway the older woman who
lived with them)????


   Considerate la vostra semenza:      ||  sally a. wilson
fatti non foste a viver come bruti,    ||  sally@mica.berkeley.edu
ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza.    ||  "il inferno":
_Inferno_ Canto XXVI vv.118-120.       ||  damn good poem, & hot too!

I think the creamed corn kid said "Il est un hoome solitaire " (he is a
solitary man), speaking of Harold Smith.
--
Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <1275@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:
|However, I think the AB- goof & the heart on a thong/chain/thong
|are *definite* mistakes.

I don't think the AB- is a mistake.  Someone (Albert, Cooper?) says
that the blood doesn't match Jacques, Leo, etc.  He didn't say it
was a different type, but it doesn't match.  There's more to blood
than just the type.  He then goes on to say it's AB-, a rare type.
So while the type may be the same as Jacques' blood, it doesn't match
in some other way.
-- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP

In article <19080017@hpclpa.HP.COM> dupree@hpclpa.HP.COM (Chuck Dupree) writes:
|My impression of the poem Mike relates is:
|
|In the darkness of future past
|the magician longs to see
|one chance out between two worlds
|fire walk with me.
|
|I reran the tape four or five times to get this impression.
|That doesn't make it a certainty, though.

"One chance out" and "one chants out" sound very similar, but
"one chants out" makes a lot more sense.
-- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP

"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
body. One only, known to you, ready to speak."

Leland is the one who has seen Bob - he is "ready now to speak", if only
Lucy would put his call through!

Some potential spoilers...


Between _Roseanne_ and _Coach_ (luv them Screamin' Eagles! :-), ABC
ran a TP promo...it as "narrated" by Albert.

1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"

2) I happened to turn away from the set, but it looks like there's a shot
   of James and Maddy kissing, though I'm not sure it was them.

3) Albert says things are "heating up" as they show Coop blowing out a 
   match.

Anyone get a better look at what was in the promo?


--
Rich Carreiro                                    The "War on Drugs"
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UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!rlcarr            The War on the Constitution
BITNET: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu      JITTLOV FOREVER!

In article <1244@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >I think the OAM's poem holds a clue:
> >
> >"Through the darkness of future past
> >the magician longs to see
> > One chance ours between two worlds
> >Fire, walk with me."

"My grandson is studying *magic*."
"She seemed to be a nice girl."

(somewhat; I don't have my vcr here right now 8-).)

But I can't help feeling that that scene was *important*.
Too much emphasis on it.

Who is the kid's father?  It wouldn't be.. *bob*, would it? 8-)

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In article <11843@pucc.Princeton.EDU> HARTLEBN@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes:
|For those of you with VCR's ....

I just rewatched the episode, specifically looking for the things you
mention.  While I won't argue that Harry didn't do it, I don't see
the clues you see.  Specifically:

|  - Ronette stares off into the distance and has blurry vision when we
|    visit her in the hospital. The sketches of suspects are held by Cooper
|    so as to unknowingly block Truman's face from her view.

Sort of.  The sketches don't really block Truman's face, but Ronette has
trouble focusing on the pictures, so I could easily believe that even
though Harry was in the room and in sight, Ronette might not have seen
him.

|  - You can hear her yelling "shhshsh"  "trtrr" What do you think she's saying?

I played this a number of times.  I don't hear "shshsh", and each time
she says "tr", it's followed by an ay or ee sound, as in train or tree.
It's definitely not "tru" as in Truman.

|  - Top shelf, behind some books, Truman's office. See the Black and white
|    picture, the one that looks a great deal like the sketches of Bob. Hmm.

It also looks a lot like any black-and-white picture of someone with long
hair and no bangs.  Also, from Cooper's point of view, the picture
should be right behind Harry and more visible than to the camera.
Wouldn't Cooper find it odd that Harry has a picture of BOB on his
wall?

|  - What is that necklace Harry is wearing? It was not there before, and it is
|    most definately meant to be seen this season.

I guess I hadn't noticed that it wasn't there before.  It may mean
something or it may not.

|      Look here, anybody who has any of TP on tape, I offer a friendly
|         challenge. Watch it, pretending you know that Harry is the killer.
|            When you find yourself complimenting Lynch/Frost on having put
|              all of these clues in so early, then you'll see the light.

Sorry, I tried, and while I don't necessarily think it isn't Truman,
I don't see the clues you see.

One clue I do see, but haven't seen mentioned yet (except when I
mentioned it earlier :-)), is: did Cooper ever tell Truman about
his visit from the giant?  I've watched the premier twice, the second
time specifically looking for it, and couldn't find it.  He told
Truman about his dream, why not the vision/dream/visitation from the
giant?
-- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP

Some analysis of the recent twin peaks:

It's risky to introduce the supernatural and UFO-ial because these
are essentially proletarian concepts that when explored to any
depth are revealed to be very stupid.  I once read a book called
by stan lem called ``his masters voice'' which the sf-heads amongst us
may have also read and let me be perfectly clear, I HATE science fiction,
but the point was this:  a man, selling extra-T transmissions as
random numbers, is confronted by a customer who points out that these
bits, put forward as random, in fact repeat themselves after some
large number of gigabytes.  a los-alamos-type effort is struck up
to determine what the hell these bits are and the mathematician-narrator
and indeed none of the most-qualified scientific personnel described
in the book are ever able to figure out what the bits mean, although
they are able to interpret some homomorphism of the bits as chemical
formulas and they synthesize some sort of slime out of it that has
odd properties.  now ones interest in this story may indicate
nerd tendencies but I for one found it at least mildly compelling
particularly because the right note---that of never really figuring
out what the bits mean---is struck.
These outerspace phenomena, if explained, lose much of their force
so that the narrative motive force eventually causes them to become,
as I have already said, very stupid.

Some analysis of the recent twin peaks:

It's risky to introduce the supernatural and UFO-ial because these
are essentially proletarian concepts that when explored to any
depth are revealed to be very stupid.  I once read a book called
by stan lem called ``his masters voice'' which the sf-heads amongst us
may have also read and let me be perfectly clear, I HATE science fiction,
but the point was this:  a man, selling extra-T transmissions as
random numbers, is confronted by a customer who points out that these
bits, put forward as random, in fact repeat themselves after some
large number of gigabytes.  a los-alamos-type effort is struck up
to determine what the hell these bits are and the mathematician-narrator
and indeed none of the most-qualified scientific personnel described
in the book are ever able to figure out what the bits mean, although
they are able to interpret some homomorphism of the bits as chemical
formulas and they synthesize some sort of slime out of it that has
odd properties.  now ones interest in this story may indicate
nerd tendencies but I for one found it at least mildly compelling
particularly because the right note---that of never really figuring
out what the bits mean---is struck.
These outerspace phenomena, if explained, lose much of their force
so that the narrative motive force eventually causes them to become,
as I have already said, very stupid.

O.K.- here it is:
Bobby killed Laura.
Leland wsa molested as a child, in turn, molested Laura and feels guilty
 for her death.
'Bob' is an 'evil' psychic entity that >represents< the 'evil' that lurks
 in and around the TP area.
The Asian man shot Cooper.
Catherine is alive.
The giant is 'real', (as real as space beings can get).
The Col. message to Cooper was not faked.
Donna is merely feeling the strain of Laura's death- she will begin to emulate
 Laura more and more in the following weeks.
The log does not lie.
The magic kid said 'I have a solitary soul'.
King Hohoho did not rise to power in Tibet until the Horse year 475.
Anything else I missed?


rON. (blowfish@hydra.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"I like to consider myself one of the 'Happy Generation'"

Much discussion was in this group a while back over the number of 'pairings'
or 'twins' that have occured in Twin Peaks. I think many people have overlooked
an important one- Cooper's partner. Now he (Cooper) has a 'twisted' side.....


rON. (blowfish@hydra.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"I like to consider myself one of the 'Happy Generation'"

In article <10703@pt.cs.cmu.edu> spok@MATHOM.GANDALF.CS.CMU.EDU (John Ockerbloom) writes:
> >
> >(Of course, I'd imagine that whoever inserted the message would have
> >to know the implementation of the signal-coder very well, since there is as
> >yet no universal standard for transmitting text via radio.)
> >
> >In any case, there still exist numerous possible meanings
> >and sources for Major Briggs' message.  Some of them could
> >be quite intriguing.  (I leave the possibilities as an exercise
> >for the reader.)  

How about somebody who has inside information into the goings on
of US military intelligence such as agent Coopers' ex-partner?

-Craig
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig D. Mautner UCSD mautner@cs.ucsd.eduDept of CSE, C-014 (619) 534-4526 La Jolla, Ca. 92093

so then, take for example close encounters of the third kind.  now that
was a typical case.  the movie is quite interesting to the point when
things are being explained----when the spaceships appear we begin to
feel an ennui, a thickness, a (how should I say it) Very Stupidness.
when the extra-terrestrials themselves are seen, we feel silly indeed
to have even entered the theatre.  the best plan, the only plan, once
these concepts have been brought into play, is to forever postpone
explanation or clarification, and it is in this sense that they may
succeed in twin peaks.  what we have here, ultimately, of course,
is a SYMBOL of what is unanswered in our lives, whatever that may be.
an explanation, once offered and accepted, in effect destroys that
thing which it explains.  the little green man is of course, a fetus,
an origin, or a place unexplained.  ((let me recommend this 
rhetorical technique, that of spraying `of course' into your
writing at random, unexplained points, to you))  the habit of
CAPITALIZING words, on the other hand, demeans the reader and let
me offer my apology before continuing.

so then, take for example close encounters of the third kind.  now that
was a typical case.  the movie is quite interesting to the point when
things are being explained----when the spaceships appear we begin to
feel an ennui, a thickness, a (how should I say it) Very Stupidness.
when the extra-terrestrials themselves are seen, we feel silly indeed
to have even entered the theatre.  the best plan, the only plan, once
these concepts have been brought into play, is to forever postpone
explanation or clarification, and it is in this sense that they may
succeed in twin peaks.  what we have here, ultimately, of course,
is a SYMBOL of what is unanswered in our lives, whatever that may be.
an explanation, once offered and accepted, in effect destroys that
thing which it explains.  the little green man is of course, a fetus,
an origin, or a place unexplained.  ((let me recommend this 
rhetorical technique, that of spraying `of course' into your
writing at random, unexplained points, to you))  the habit of
CAPITALIZING words, on the other hand, demeans the reader and let
me offer my apology before continuing.

In article <437@mathlab.math.ufl.EDU> tom@wavy-gravy.math.ufl.EDU () writes:
<
<Upon Albert's return, Andy gets face-spanked by the board, and
<Albert removes his glasses THREE (3) times: twice in the distance
<while standing beneath the tree, and once in his first close-up.

Also, just before Mr. Smith calls Donna her lipstick vanishes
(just in time to kiss James!).

-------------------
Lucy:  Agent Cooper, I've got a call for you from a Mr. Albert Rosenfeld,
sounds like long distance.  It has that open air sound, you know, where
it sounds like wind blowing... like wind blowing through trees...
-------------------

Jan BielawskiInternet:jbielawski@ucsd.edu
Bitnet:jbielawski@ucsd.bitnet
Dept. of MathUUCP:jbielawski@ucsd.uucp
UCSD  ( {ucsd,sdcsvax}!{igrad1,sdcc6}!ma299ai )

In article <8083@scolex.sco.COM> seanf (Sean Fagan) writes:
> >
>> >>"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
>> >>body. One only, known to you, ready to speak."
>> >>
>> >>The three who have seen the third man are Sarah Palmer and Cooper
>> >>himself, in visions. The third, of course, is Ronette Pulaski who
>> >>is out of her coma and ready to speak.
> >
> >Now here's where I want to disagree.  Ronette is *not* ready to speak;
> >remember Cooper's comment to Albert about her not being able to talk yet?
> >
> >I have a hard time believing that this was something overlooked by Lynch and
> >Frost; so what could it mean?

How about this theory?  The three are Coop, Sarah, AND Ronnette.  The one is
Leland, who has actually seen BOB in real life, and is certainly ready to 
speak if we believe is intentions to contact the sheriff...

-Dave

fiction, then, is false;  science, explaining;  science fiction, explaining
the false.     we are not interested in science
because it explains, but because it delineates the unexplained more
clearly.  we would see the ufo photo, but not a description of what
these extra-T's really are, because then we have science, we have an
explanation, and we are not interested in explanations, and particularly
in explanations of what we already understand to be in false framework
(art is representational).  there are riddles of this sort---``a man
is dead in a closed room and the floor is wet''---for which we are asked
to guess an explanation---and the so-called answers go something like
---``he tied a rope around his neck while standing on a block of ice and
as it melted he strangled.''  I would say that to the extent one is
interested in these sort of riddles, one is unable to adopt what I
would call the True Critical Viewpoint:  art is what it offers, and no
more, and the greatest sin is to bring one's own biases or inventions
to the critical effort.  Such a riddle could in effect have any solution:
why am I being asked to provide one?/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////

fiction, then, is false;  science, explaining;  science fiction, explaining
the false.     we are not interested in science
because it explains, but because it delineates the unexplained more
clearly.  we would see the ufo photo, but not a description of what
these extra-T's really are, because then we have science, we have an
explanation, and we are not interested in explanations, and particularly
in explanations of what we already understand to be in false framework
(art is representational).  there are riddles of this sort---``a man
is dead in a closed room and the floor is wet''---for which we are asked
to guess an explanation---and the so-called answers go something like
---``he tied a rope around his neck while standing on a block of ice and
as it melted he strangled.''  I would say that to the extent one is
interested in these sort of riddles, one is unable to adopt what I
would call the True Critical Viewpoint:  art is what it offers, and no
more, and the greatest sin is to bring one's own biases or inventions
to the critical effort.  Such a riddle could in effect have any solution:
why am I being asked to provide one?/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////

In article <3619@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> bgm@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Bruce Matthews) writes:
> >The French words spoken by the "magician" were:
> >
> >   C'est un homme sur de terre.
> >
> >Which means: It is a man underground.
> >
> >Any other guesses given this translation?

I'm sorry but this translation seems HIGHLY improbably to me.  First of all,
although we all have some minor disagreements, so far just about everyone
agrees the first word is "J'ai une..." then either "homme" but probably "ame"
and then finally "chaud de terre" or "solitaire."

I think this is just a product of trying to hard to hear something that makes
sense at the moment.
And even if he did say "sur" this means "on" and not "under" (you are thinking
of "sous" -- uh oh, now you are going to say that fits even better, right?)

I think this phrase, like about 95% of the info we get on Twin Peaks, will
become relavent all in due time...

-Dave

Some stuff...

1)  Yes, that creamed corn scene terrified me, too.  At first I thought
it was just character development -- the old lady being a complaining,
picky eater and Donna having to play along with her to placate her --
and then ZAP!  The plate is squeaky clean!  Pretty alarming.

2)  As to what happened to the background music:  Bobby turned it off!
Right after a commercial break, Bobby and Shelly are in the car, and the
background music is there, as usual.  Bobby says something like "let's
find some better music" and changes the radio station!  I thought that
was pretty slick.  Took me a minute to realize what had happened.

3)  No, the "horns" of an owl are not its ears.  Its actual ears are on
the side of its face, roughly where we'd expect its "cheeks" to be.  They
seem to be covered with feathers, but actually the feathers are perfectly
designed to funnel noise to the ears -- in fact, the flat faces owls 
seem to have is really due to the feathers funneling sound to the ears.
It's like their faces are parabolic antennas.  This is esp. true of the
barn owl...the "ear tufts" Great Horned Owls have are of uncertain
significance; may be behavioral (used in signalling mood or in species
recognition or some such thing...)

4)  Seems to me TP's strength is in the process, in the development of
the plot.  We shouldn't expect too much of a zinger at the denouement,
esp. since it seems to me Lynch often has a problem wrapping up his
ideas (like for instance in _Blue_Velvet_ & _Wild_At_Heart_, which
IMHO have contrived, they-lived-happily-ever-after endings,
sorta the "Mo-Better-Blues syndrome")  Enjoy it while it's here.
Actually I was kind of sorry TP got renewed because I think it'll lose
its intensity over the long haul.  A miniseries format suits TP better.

5)  Can someone fill me in on the European version?

6)  What about Invitation to Love?  For a while I was trying to find
parallels with the main TP plot (Montana=Leo, Jade/Emerald=Laura/Maddy, 
etc.; Chet shoots Montana when Hank shoots Leo, and so on) but now 
we seem to have missed a day.

7)  Once again *what were the owls the Log Lady mentioned?* 

8)  What was the log lady chewing?  Was it some sort of *gum*?
Life without a VCR is rough sometimes.
Jespah

 robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus)
 Message-ID: <189@autodesk.UUCP> writes:

*Does anyone have the straight dope on hair turning white?  Is there a medical
*term for the phenomenon?  How does it actually happen?

I was waiting for this to come up!  Here's what I've heard.  For a long 
time this was thought to be an old wives' tale, the problem being that
hair is DEAD TISSUE.  How can dead hair be affected by stress?  Then
somebody noticed that in the only halfway verified cases of hair turning
white overnight, the victims in each case had salt-n-pepper hair before 
it happened.  That is, they had black hairs and white hairs, and the 
black hairs selectively fell out, leaving only the white hairs.  The
theory I've heard says that this might happen when someone is in the 
process of getting all-white hair anyway, such that all their newer
hairs are white, and the only black hairs left are old hairs.  If such
a person receives a shock, maybe the hair follicles are affected 
differently depending on how long they've been growing that hair, so
that the black-hair follicles go dormant and all the black hair falls
out.  Why follicles would react differently to stress, I don't know. 

Aren't you glad you asked?

P.S.  I just used "black" as an example -- coulda been any color...

Jespah

Okay, here's another theory as to WKLP, or at least I haven't heard it in 
a while.

Right now, I must say that Leland leads my list, but as someone has pointed
out, one problem is why would he have killed Theresa Banks? Why would he be
a serial killer?

So, after the first episode this season, a new possibilty spring to mind:
the one-armed man!  Although it might seem implausable, consider this:

in episode #1, season #2, we discover a potential link between shoes and drugs.
The one-armed man sells shoes -- I think he most probably is involved in this 
drug ring, and if he is, then he certainly might have had the chance to know
Laura, and even T.B. if she was involved in drugs and/or OEJ's.  And he 
travels quite a bit too.  I haven't thought this all out yet, and until his
link with drugs, therefore Leo/Ben/OEJ's/etc.. pans out, my money is still 
elsewhere.  But at least it's something else to think about...
(and it's not one of those completely insulting theories like Andy did it! --
I couldn't believe that one was actually written!)

-Dave

One might think naively that to distinguish between what is ESP, paranormal,
bigfoot, kirlian photography etc and what is science, say fourier series,
superconductivity or anil's thesis would be a difficult thing but we know
it to be trivial.  Only in the lower reaches of the prole press (national
enquirer) do we encounter any confusion about what's what, and this only
in the context of appropriating the scientist's authority for headlining
(``Top researchers baffled by Zebra's Haiku'')  I own a two volume
``research study'' on Bigfoot but the emphasis throughout is on what is
unknown or mysterious about the creature, and not on what evidence,
even if fabricated, really exists.  for example many pages are devoted
to ``possible sightings,'' but none to ``sightings.''  there are big
apes and the lines are not long at the zoo---but this is irrelevant
because it is the unknown dimension that we are being asked to respond to.
let's agree then on this point and move on.  taking a closer look
at the UFO, extra-t's etc. in our culture reveals some interesting points
(next message if I continue typing....)

One might think naively that to distinguish between what is ESP, paranormal,
bigfoot, kirlian photography etc and what is science, say fourier series,
superconductivity or anil's thesis would be a difficult thing but we know
it to be trivial.  Only in the lower reaches of the prole press (national
enquirer) do we encounter any confusion about what's what, and this only
in the context of appropriating the scientist's authority for headlining
(``Top researchers baffled by Zebra's Haiku'')  I own a two volume
``research study'' on Bigfoot but the emphasis throughout is on what is
unknown or mysterious about the creature, and not on what evidence,
even if fabricated, really exists.  for example many pages are devoted
to ``possible sightings,'' but none to ``sightings.''  there are big
apes and the lines are not long at the zoo---but this is irrelevant
because it is the unknown dimension that we are being asked to respond to.
let's agree then on this point and move on.  taking a closer look
at the UFO, extra-t's etc. in our culture reveals some interesting points
(next message if I continue typing....)

In article <7799@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:
> >***
> >***
> >1) just b/c leland says that he remembers bob from his childhood
> >doesn't make bob a real person...thirty years from now maddy may
> >remember bob from her childhood (visions)...i don't think we can
> >conclude that a long haired freak is running around TP

I don't agree with this at all -- Leland says that the man lived next door
to his grandfathers cabin -- he didn't say he was plagued by dreams of this
man thirty years ago.
Do you think in thirty years that Maddy will say she knew this man who used
to hang out at the Palmer's house jumping over furniture?

In article <BLK.90Oct9123309@vanity.mitre.org> blk@mitre.org (Brian L. Kahn) writes:
> >All things considered (more or less) I think the biggest clue we have
> >so far is Jennifer Lynch (author of Laura's Diary) being quoted
> >somewhere that she thinks people will be really surprised when they
> >find out who the killer is.  Ben Horne is NOT surprising.  Neither is
> >Leo.  Neither Ben nor Leo did it, guaranteed.

Great, now all we have to do is figure out what it takes to surprise
Jennifer Lynch.  :-/  I mean, is "Killer Bob" supposed to be surprising?
Is Harry Truman supposed to be surprising?  Jerry?  Donna?

I mean, you certainly can't judge by THIS group's definition of
'surprising' -- just about everyone's been a suspect.

Anyone for Doc Hayward as the killer?  He might have resented Laura's
bad influence on his daughter.

Lucy?  She knows about everything seamy in Twin Peaks, and she has secrets.

The Log Lady?  She was right there, and she's nuts.

Pete Martell?  He "spotted" the body first -- when in doubt, follow the body.

Mrs. Palmer?  Certainly a nut case.

Hmm, let's do a poll.  See other message.

-- If the human mind were simple enough to understand, =)) Tom Neff we'd be too simple to understand it. -- Emerson Pugh ((= tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <MUFFY.90Oct9104115@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
> >Indeed, it is very likely that the message was added after the
> >transmission was received.  The entire printout contained slash,
> >letter, digit, digit, digit, slash, etc.  There weren't any other
> >combinations of letters that I could see (someone could check this by
> >freeze-framing, if you care).  

This makes cryptological sense, but not dramatic sense.  In the teleplay
we (the audience) must be able to recognize, on the strength of a few
seconds' viewing of a sheet of printout, that a message has been
interpolated into that space data.  To make this feat practical, the
printout has to make the extra words stand out without looking too
obviously unrealistic.  One easy way to do this is to "imbed" the
message words in a background of regularly spaced gibberish: the eye is
then naturally drawn to the anomalies, i.e., the message.

In these cases the Star Trek Principle is operative: do whatever plays
the best, and the nerds will rationalize around it for you later.

take the ufo encounter as we find it in movies, in books, in television
commercials.  at the prole level (national enquirer) we find the
abduction theme.  the aliens seize a victim who is returned unharmed
with vague and usually not altogether unpleasant recollections.  higher
up the cultural ladder (but not too high) we find the man, isolated in
a rural environment, suddenly illuminated by a bright, mesmerizing light.
the aliens inspect the human and move on, and the man understands himself
to have been in considerable danger, perhaps because bright fireballs that
burned circular patches into a nearby wheatfield may just have well have
burned him alive and indeed looking at his fishing waders we find them
to be singed at the seams.  still higher on the cultural ladder we have
what is known as ``the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence''
with radio waves, space-craft messages on records, and the musings
of Carl Sagan.  at the top we have twin peaks, where the ineluctable
core of the idea is yanked out and thrown in with its true company,
the unexplained murder, the mentally half-sane, the inscrutable
closed community with symbolic visitor (agent cooper), prostitution,
shady investment practices, and the far east.

take the ufo encounter as we find it in movies, in books, in television
commercials.  at the prole level (national enquirer) we find the
abduction theme.  the aliens seize a victim who is returned unharmed
with vague and usually not altogether unpleasant recollections.  higher
up the cultural ladder (but not too high) we find the man, isolated in
a rural environment, suddenly illuminated by a bright, mesmerizing light.
the aliens inspect the human and move on, and the man understands himself
to have been in considerable danger, perhaps because bright fireballs that
burned circular patches into a nearby wheatfield may just have well have
burned him alive and indeed looking at his fishing waders we find them
to be singed at the seams.  still higher on the cultural ladder we have
what is known as ``the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence''
with radio waves, space-craft messages on records, and the musings
of Carl Sagan.  at the top we have twin peaks, where the ineluctable
core of the idea is yanked out and thrown in with its true company,
the unexplained murder, the mentally half-sane, the inscrutable
closed community with symbolic visitor (agent cooper), prostitution,
shady investment practices, and the far east.

For all those speculating on who might be the father of Lucy's child,
I repost this previous article (from just before the airing of
episode 8):

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An article in today's paper has the following revelations from Mark Frost:

- "You actually have seen Laura's killer."

- The dream sequence "has a great deal of relevance.  You're going to find out
  to a certain extent who the killer might be on Sunday."
  
- "There's a part of 'Twin Peaks' that is sort of a hinged doorway to another, 
  stranger place, if you can imagine such a thing.  You'll be seeing more of
  that this season."
  
- He won't reveal plot details beyond that, but does say that several new
  characters will be introduced, among them Dick Tremayne, a department store
  manager who becomes Andy's rival for the affections of Lucy.
  
- Frost won't promise that all of the endangered characters left cliff-hanging
  at season's end last year will indeed survive.  "Nobody's really safe in Twin
  Peaks--that's the upshot of that, I guess."
  
- On not winning any major Emmy awards: "I wasn't disappointed at all.  In
  fact, losing kind of reaffirmed our radicalism in terms of what we're trying
  to do.   Most award-giving processes are more full of holes than Swiss
  cheese, this one included.  We had a great party afterwards.  There was a
  feeling of, 'if they went this far out of their way to snub us, we must be
  doing something right."  Frost and Lynch both went to the ceremony along with
  many members of the cast.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now I'm wondering if Tremayne might actually be Tremond?

In article <Yb4W23a00VsnI0pnh6@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >it doesn't make any sense even as a lie.  "The real ledger, masterminded
> >by Catherine..."  You don't mastermind a real ledger, you mastermind a
> >phony ledger.  Real ledgers just happen.

That's not what Ben said. He said "The real ledger shows the mill
slowly sinking into bankruptcy, masterminded by Catherine." I.e., the
bankrupting of the mill was Catherine's work, not the ledger. That
ledger would expose what Catherine was up to.

Just for clarification, the Horne brothers are torn between two good
choices:
1) Burn the fake ledger. The real ledger exposes Catherine, taking
suspicion off the brothers Horne.
2) Burn the real ledger. The fake ledger shows the mill making a hefty
profit, and as such, the land would be worth more. (Or at least that's
how I understand it; I don't know beans about real estate.)

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

In article <8050@gollum.twg.com> james@twg.com (James Marshall) writes:
> >Doesn't the whole bit of getting messages in dreams from outer space
> >aliens kind of reek of ALL of Philip K. Dick's later works?  I mean,
> >that seemed to be his whole theme near the end.

(Dreams from outer space) usually == (dreams from God) in the late PKD
oeuvre.  They certainly are a handy narrative tool.  Dick hardly had a
monopoly on it of course.

The things that seem most Dickian about TWIN PEAKS are its willingness
to invoke the spiritual as a key story element, and its concentration on
the individual quirks of "little" people.  Those things resonate, as
does the tendency to spin out endlessly complex Byzantine intrigue in
layer after layer as the series progresses.  I'm sure Phil would have
enjoyed the show.

Most unlike PKD is the proliferation of truly stupid characters (there
are hardly any in Dick's work), and the lack of articulate revelation
into Cooper's character and inner motivation.  A true Dick narrator is
chatty, introspective and empathic.  Think how much we know about Rick
Deckard, Jason Taverner, Angel Archer or "Phil Dick"/Horselover Fat in
only a few chapters.

Now, if Cooper started quoting St Paul and the Dead Sea Scrolls instead
of all this Tibet stuff... :-)

> >(Has anyone else read Philip K. Dick?)

I will revive the PKD mailing list shortly.  Look for an announcement.

-- "Just the fax, ma'am." o..oo Tom Neff -- John McClane .oo.. tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

- Since many character names are taken from other sources, has anyone
  heard of a character named Windham Earl in any movie or show?  (If
  someone tells me it's a character in "The Third Man" I'll buy into
  the 'Maddy is Laura' theory.)

- I loved Ben's matching polka dot socks and tie in the ledger 
  discussion scene.

- Did you notice Cooper asked "Who is it?" when Major Briggs knocked
  on his hotel room door?  He's learned his lesson about opening the
  door late at night!

- A recent article in People on Lynch said that he and his second wife
  have a son, Austin, age 7, who now lives with his mother in Virginia.
  "Austin's kind of quiet with a real dry sense of humor," Lynch says.
  "He's now using Warren Beatty as his idol--he wants to direct *and*
  act."

- The previews for the next episode show a diary page with the words:
  "this is the diary of Laura Palmer".  Presumably this is the
  secret diary given to Harold Smith by Laura for safekeeping, but
  the published secret diary does not begin (or contain) those words.

if twin peaks is about anything it is about messages, messages sent but
not received, messages by phone, messages as clues, messages as dreams,
messages as massages (one-eyed jacks).  we have messages from logs,
messages from birds, messages going on to recording tape for diane, messages
to iceland, messages from outerspace, messages from a giant in the
middle of the night with UFO bright light metaphor, strange accent
and token of proof (missing ring).  The best scene in the last Twin peaks
was between the military man and the log lady---the log's message was
``deliver the message,'' the log ladies question was ``do you understand that,''
and his answer was ``yes, I believe I do.''  It was a gratifying scene
for the viewer precisely because this moment distilled the act of reception
from our own understanding of the information conveyed---we know
none of the message, the sender, the receiver or the mechanism by
which it is conveyed, but that it is confirmed as received is gratifying
to us.  modern man desires community and a sense of belonging and even
this highly reduced communal feeling or understanding strikes a deep chord.

if twin peaks is about anything it is about messages, messages sent but
not received, messages by phone, messages as clues, messages as dreams,
messages as massages (one-eyed jacks).  we have messages from logs,
messages from birds, messages going on to recording tape for diane, messages
to iceland, messages from outerspace, messages from a giant in the
middle of the night with UFO bright light metaphor, strange accent
and token of proof (missing ring).  The best scene in the last Twin peaks
was between the military man and the log lady---the log's message was
``deliver the message,'' the log ladies question was ``do you understand that,''
and his answer was ``yes, I believe I do.''  It was a gratifying scene
for the viewer precisely because this moment distilled the act of reception
from our own understanding of the information conveyed---we know
none of the message, the sender, the receiver or the mechanism by
which it is conveyed, but that it is confirmed as received is gratifying
to us.  modern man desires community and a sense of belonging and even
this highly reduced communal feeling or understanding strikes a deep chord.

I saw a funny local promo last night. A local station is plugging it's
sports anchor, Mike Lynch (No relation), with a promo with lots of
local sports figures and ABC series stars. They all have short
segments where they sing "I like Mike!" One shot has Lucy Moran
singing it next to Andy. Andy just gives her this drop-dead look. It
was quite funny.

BTW, James Earl Jones singing "I like Mike" was something. I bet he
looks at his next contract a bit closer next time!

Rand P. Hall                    UUCP: {uunet,wang,ulowell}!samsung!hubdub!rand
Merrimack College                     rand%merrimack.edu@samsung.com
N. Andover, MA         I spend so much time doing nothing. Life's wasting away.

In article <1990Oct9.210809.14123@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
#The $10,000, I believe, was the same $10,000 that was found in Laura's
#safe deposit box.  Money gained illegally belongs to the government, according
#to RICO and other bad laws.

So... money belonging to the government was gained illegally??  Sounds
right!

Douglas Krause                     One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
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Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsa

In article <Ub4SNVy00WBLI1LWo=@andrew.cmu.edu> dv0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Doug vanderVeen) writes:
> >I was confused by B &J's ledger discussion at first too, until I realized
> >that Ben is lieing to his brother.
> >  Doug

I think that I missed that reference.  Where did you get the impression that Ben was lying to Jerry?  What purpose would that serve?
Just curious!

Brian

(From the Los Angeles Daily News)

The makers of "Twin Peaks" have devised yet another way of divulging
information without actually putting it on the television show, which 
has rapidly become one of the longest and most unsatisfying teases on 
prime time.

To the collection of "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" and the tape
of Special Agent Dale Cooper's musings to the invisible Diane, add
the Twin Peaks Sheriff's Office Hot Line.

Dialing the hot line - (900) 860-0911 - costs $2 for the first minute
and $1 for each additional minute.  Receptionist Lucy Moran, Deputy
Andy Brennan and Dr. Haywood will provide information about last 
week's events in Twin Peaks, updates that change each Sunday morning.

In addition, during each call an unidentified mystery voice will
disclose new information and clues on events that will likely arise.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's what you get for your $4.

Transcript of this week's message:

Lucy:  Hello. Twin Peaks Sheriff's Station.  This is Lucy speaking.
       Boy, has stuff been happening or what?  I heard through the
       Meals on Wheels people (I used to help them on my days off)
       that Donna went to see this old lady, whose little kid
       took her creamed corn and held it in his hand, like it was
       just a bunch of corn . . . which I guess it was, except
       it was creamed, and that is just about the *worst*
       food in the history of the world.

       Speaking of creamed corn, do you believe that story about
       Deputy Brennan . . .

Andy (interrupting):  I like creamed corn.

L:  So now you're listening in on my calls!

A:  I was not.  I was just walking by the phone and it blinked.
    What are you talking about?

L:  I'm *trying* to tell the caller what's been happening.

A:  The fire department had it's annual hose race.

L:  Hose race?  Can we stick to business here?  Some of us are
    professionals.

    Then, Agent Cooper showed Ronette the drawing of Bob, the man
    in his dream.  And it was the man who hurt her *and* killed
    Laura Palmer.

    Then, Leland Palmer recognized him too from when he was a kid
    up at Pearl Lakes.

A:  Yeah, the third man at the train car.

L (sarcastically):  Real quick, Deputy.

A:  Then Agent Rosenfeld told Agent Cooper that his old partner
    Windham Earl has vanished.

L:  Deputy Brennan won't be joining us for any more of this
    conversation.  Now where were we . . .

[Static is heard for several seconds and then we hear the 
mystery voice (male), with dwarf's dance music heard in the 
background.]

MV: Hello.  Look, I gotta be quick.  Audrey Horne paid a visit on
    Emory Battis at One Eyed Jack's with some ice cubes and a
    vacuum cleaner and found out her father is the owner.  She
    tried to call Cooper, but got caught by Blackie.  Kids these
    days!

    Then Major Briggs told Agent Cooper that messages have come
    from outer space that said, "The owls are not what they seem."
    I think he took it quite well.

    Ben and Jerry have the ledgers from the mill.  They were going
    to burn them, but decided to roast marshmallows instead.

    Hey look, I gotta go.  Oh, one other thing.  I believe Donna
    is about to go visit this mysterious Mr. Smith.  I think it's
    a mistake.

    Goodbye.

[Static, music ends.]

Lucy: What the hey is going on with these phones?  Have you heard
      a word I've said?

Andy: I don't think you should be talking that way from the Sheriff's
      station, Lucy.

L (impatient):  Deputy Brennan, how nice of you to join us--again!

A:  I wanted to say that Hank Jennings used to be a Bookhouse Boy
    with Harry before he turned to a life of crime.

L:  Whew!  Man!  What is a person to think?

A:  Lucy, there's a smelt fry down at the VFW Friday.  Do you want
    to go?

L:  You mean those little fish that look like something you'd feed
    your cat?

A:  You get a whole basket.

L (sarcastically):  How romantic!  No thank you!

    Well, thanks for calling.  I'll be here next Sunday with more
    information.  This is Lucy, signing off.

In article <1990Oct10.092934.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >Lynch didn't think he needed to spell out TRUMAN now that we've all figured it
> >out.  Now he's going to tell us that Truman is Bob, with the B.

Assuming they really do find a 'B' under someone's fingernail next week --

 1. Who?  We know from the promo that the One-Armed Man is lying in a
restroom booth.  Maybe he's dead and has the letter under his nail.  Or
maybe it's one of the hospitalized folks... Leo, Jacobi, or Ronette.
There are others in some kind of danger: obviously Audrey, and we
haven't heard from Catherine in quite a while.  But it's hard to believe
L&F would siphon off the dramatic momentum of Laura's death by killing
someone else we have an emotional investment in, such as Audrey.  More
likely it's someone we can bear to part with, like Leo or the OAM.
Maybe Ronette -- there's sure a motive, namely to keep her from talking.

 2. Regardless -- what does 'T' 'R' 'B' mean?  Should we cancel our
subscriptions to FLESH WORLD and start checking THE NEW REPUBLIC for
clues?**  It sure ain't a direct spelling-out of a name.  Initials?  A
mnemonic?  Or is each one a reference to someone?  Are there three
different killers, each of whom leaves his 'calling card'?  If so there
must be an organization.  We only know of one -- the Bookhouse Boys.
Not too promising.

Oh well, it sure is fun to analyze the SPOILERS before air time :-)

____________________

** Why do I bother...

The secret of Who Killed Laura Palmer was revealed to me last night as I slept:

Laura was indeed killed by Bob, but rather than being a local or a supernatural
entity, Bob is actually Bob MARLEY, and the Darkness in the Woods is reggae!

Or did I just stay up too late again?
-- Eric Olson <fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775

Lynch didn't think he needed to spell out TRUMAN now that we've all figured it
out.  Now he's going to tell us that Truman is Bob, with the B.

No TRouBle.
-- Eric Olson <fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775

Andy is sterile, but Lucy's pregnancy does not necessarily mean than
she has cheated on him.  Remember, we're dealing with Lynch.
He may be setting us up for a virgin birth.  Or maybe the aliens
impregnated her.  ;-) ;-) ;-)

hallyb at globbo.enet.dec.com (John Hallyburton) writes...
>> >> Bobby didn't have any drugs at the time.
 So what did he plant in James' gas tank?

 Other stuff...

   I saw David Lynch on the cover of Soap Opera Weekly and, after screaming
"How can they put Twin Peaks in the same magazine that covers As The World
Turns?,"  I read the article inside.  Among other info (which is actually
fairly interesting... worth checking out if you can stand to be seen with the
magazine), it said that Ian Buchanan, who was on (I think) Days of Our Lives or
 some such soap, would soon be joining the cast of TP as Dick Tremain, a
manager at Horne's Department Store who would vy with Andy for the attentions
of Lucy.  The obvious conclusion here (and one drawn by the magazine) is that
he's the father of the little Moran bun-in-the-oven.  Of course, the father
could be someone else entirely, and Lucy could be just trying to find someone
respectable to take responsibility for it (as she seemingly did with Andy).
Oooh, what secrets is Lucy hiding?

Was it just me, or did Albert's line in the opening scene of the second episode
 about Jacques being suffocated and not strangled seem to be a frantic attempt
to play catch-up? ("Hey David! I was just reading at.tv.twin-peaks and BOY, did
we ever screw up!")

Well, the old Donna's back, and the sunglasses are nowhere to be seen.  Any
explanations?

Jeez, James's helium-breathing voice aside, who wrote the LYRICS for that damn
song? ("Juuuuust youuuuuu, aaaaaand IIIIII, togeeeether, in looooooove.")

According to Norma, the Log Lady was chewing "sticky pitch gum." (In response
to the poster who asked)

And WHY can't I find the Secret Diaries or "Diane...." ANYWHERE in my town?
Does anyone have any info on when the TP coffee, pie, etc. is supposed to be
coming out?

--Beth J.

"Marshmallows? Ben, where are those hickory sticks?"
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> >1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"

Aha!  Do all you Truman killed Laura people still hold on to your theory?

-JHarvey
"I feel like my lips are taped to the tailpipe of a bus."

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|>In article <19080017@hpclpa.HP.COM> dupree@hpclpa.HP.COM (Chuck Dupree)
writes:
|>|My impression of the poem Mike relates is:
|>|
|>|In the darkness of future past
|>|the magician longs to see
|>|one chance out between two worlds
|>|fire walk with me.
|>|
|>|I reran the tape four or five times to get this impression.
|>|That doesn't make it a certainty, though.
|>
|>"One chance out" and "one chants out" sound very similar, but
|>"one chants out" makes a lot more sense.
|>-- 
|>Brian L. Matthewsblm@6sceng.UUCP
|>

Brian, consider this: Laura is a *very* troubled little girl. She desparately
wants a way
out of her situation. Twin Peaks certainly seems to a meeting place of two
worlds. In
this context, "One chance out" make *much* more sense.

Pierre is "studying magic." Laura is friendly with Pierre. It's possible that
Pierre taught
Laura a ritual that would get her out of her fix...I *don't* think Pierre is
studying
prestidigitation.

Perry Donham
Educational Services
Digital Equipment Corp.

In article <13034@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, ee52fdn@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Killer BOB) writes:
> > A Los Angeles Times article today discovered something very interesting:
> >[...]
> > The article mentions that you can clearly see Laura's nipples during the
> > long pan down her body.

There was a strobe of some sort in the train car during the scene. If
you slow mo while the camera pans down Laura's body, you see, during a
`strobe-illumination', that Laura has a light colored corset on. The
corset is a might dirty at location you mention. (I watched it twice ;-)
She was definitely covered.

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Am I the only one on the net who thought that the close up of Bob we see in 
Cooper's dream at the end of the most recent episode (season 2, episode 2) 
looked like Andy? 
In fact, I've only seen a couple postings that even mention Andy as a 
possibility, and not even because of this scene.  Sombody, please back
me up!

- Jim
jrr@cs.cornell.edu

In article <543@adimail.UUCP>, tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) writes...
> >As far as I can see from reading the newsgroup, everyone accepts
> >what the Major is saying. I think it's possible the Major is as
> >weird as anyone else, why not? After all, what he shows Cooper is
> >what some of us would call his 'log.' So his log has a message for
> >Agent Cooper. There is no real indication that there is a secret
> >installation in Twin Peaks, is there? I cannot recall having seen
> >anyone else in uniform. And people with classified information
> >will (usually) not pass it out, even to repected FBI agents that
> >they have met for the first time in a diner, yet alone remove
> >calssified documents from their place of work. I have to believe
> >this is another red-herring.

Its not a red-herring and it is also not a clue. Its simply the
second of three 'signs' that the giant told Cooper to look for, so that
Cooper will beleive him in the future. The 3rd sign is 'without chemicals,
he points". After Cooper gets this 3rd sign, the Giant will probably return.


> > 
> >-- 
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2. Lucy has a rival for her affections;
3. Leland shares a memory with Cooper and Truman;
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> >1) In the closing scene of the opener, Bob of the grey hair was
  >  clearly wearing _handcuffs_.  Also, Bob was not holding any weapon. 
  >  This may enflame the Truman People out there.

If he was wearing handcuffs, then it's safe to assume that he has
escaped from someplace.  Didn't Cooper's ex-partner escape?  Hmmmmmmmmmm.

-JHarvey
"I feel like my lips are taped to the tailpipe of a bus."

In article <15928@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes...
> > * Freeze frame junkies alert: After the slow pan down Laura's body,
> >when we come up to Bob crouching by her side, his hand is ON something.
> >WHAT is it on?  I can't make it out.

Quick, Kneel (or crouch) down on the floor. Where is the most
natural place to put your hand? On your knee! That's where BOB's hand
is...


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harlan@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Pete Harlan) writes:
> >dd@sei.cmu.edu (Dennis Doubleday) writes:
>> >>It's not really a valid reason, but I also suspected him because of
>> >>external associations--the actor, David Patrick Kelly, always plays
>> >>anti-social creeps, most memorably in "The Warriors."
> >
> >Quite memorably, except that was James Remar, not David Patrick Kelly.
> >I made the mistake myself when I first saw him on TP.

No, no, no.  James Remar was one of the Warriors, the one who wanted
to be leader but didn't get to be.  David Patrick Kelly was the guy
who shot Cyrus, leader of the Riffs, at the beginning and half-sang
the memorable words quoted in your subject line.  Kelly plays Jerry
Horne.  James Remar isn't in Twin Peaks, at least not that I've
noticed.


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In article <3619@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> bgm@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Bruce Matthews) writes:
> >The French words spoken by the "magician" were:
> >   C'est un homme sur de terre.

But he said "une", not "un", which indicates to me that the word was
really "a^me".  Similarly, "sur de terre" would be "sur la terre",
which isn't what I hear--I hear "solitaire", like several others.
"J'ai une a^me solitaire", "I have a solitary soul".

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Dogs bark at strangers" -- Heraclitus

When Ronette was saying "tr- tr- tr-", I thought she was trying to say "train"
or "traincar,"  because Cooper immediately asked "Are you in the traincar?"

 --Beth
  No, I DON'T have a .sig file!!!

In article <1990Oct6.191503.10990@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   ``Something like...''  Does anyone know exactly what the saws 
> >are shaping in the opening scene?  I don't, but they seem to be rail-
> >shaped objects with sharp teeth, which could have been used.

No - what you are looking at is a saw-sharpening machine - there's a
rotating grindstone being moved around at the right angles to sharpen the
circular blade's teeth.

> >   I've felt for some time there was a reason why Josie closed the
> >mill when she heard of Laura's death.  If she didn't kill Laura, per-
> >haps the killer asked her to hide the implement at the mill, and she
> >didn't at first realize what it had been used for, then decided it
> >needed to be destroyed (or hidden for possible blackmail use) while
> >the mill was deserted.

No I think that the reason that Lynch did that was to help introduce the
characters (and the mill sub-plot) as well as to help show how small
a town TP is (of course we all ended up thinking it's MUCH smaller).

Paul
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>> >>2)  Laura's body was found on the shore of a lake.  It wasn't washed
>> >>    up there.  The murderer had to have a boat to get it there.
>> >>    Well, a boat would be the easiest thing to use.
> >
> > wrong.  It was washed up.  They say so.  Anyway, if you were right 
> > Coop would be looking for boat owners.  It could have been dumped by 
> > boat, but it doesn't have to have been.  It's a river not a lake.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the pre-season "tickler" I believe it was referred to as Black Lake.

Bob

In article <8830@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> >*Andy goes from lovable bumbler to total moron: scene with roll of tape, 
> >*talk with Lucy "They informed me I was sterile which I thought meant I 
> >*didn't need to take a bath." (aprox. quote).  SHEESH!  Same for Lucy. 
> >*Note after she pulls tape off Andy's head she is still trying to get it 
> >*off her own fingers when scene cuts.  Also where she hangs up on caller.  
> >*Some of this is funny, my point is that all the deveopment of these char-
> >*acters is scrapped and they become one-dimensional stereotypes.
> >
> >I totally agree with this.  I was really annoyed by some scenes in the

  Ummm... I wouldn't put it in quite that way. I view these scence as a break
from the heavy mood in the rest of the show. With Lucy and Andy it is almost
impossible to imagine anything ominous. While their problems may be serious
to them, they break the mood and give us a chance to rest. Much like the clown
scenes in Shakespere's plays. Although I wuldn't intimate that Lynch does
it QUITE as well.

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In article <1990Oct10.063828.528@ariel.unm.edu> blowfish@hydra.unm.edu (rON. (blowfish@carina.unm.edu)) writes:

> >Much discussion was in this group a while back over the number of 'pairings'
> >or 'twins' that have occured in Twin Peaks. I think many people have overlooked
> >an important one- Cooper's partner. Now he (Cooper) has a 'twisted' side.....

Yes.  Also Harry seems to have finally found his dark twin--Hank.  In
fact, Hank, Ben and Jerry practically have a little club of their own
going--the dark twin to the Bookhouse Boys.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Dogs bark at strangers" -- Heraclitus

 I was watching TV on Monday, and during the End Credits of ET, I caught the 
standard "'Show' Courtesy 'place'" and TP was involved. (I still like 
Arsenio Hall's "Twin Peaks Footage Courtesy Lynch/Frost Productions AND THE 
LOG LADY.") Since it's re-shown at 1am, I taped ET...

 The main story was about Killer Bob in the 2nd season premier not stabbing 
Laura but administering CPR... and a section about Laura showing some Nudity 
during her still-body scan... Anyone catch this? Comments?

Be Seeing You.
                                        -The Prisoner

My friend was freeze framing through and noticed Bob's hand sitting on
something and sent me this note which I will quote directly:

"After careful review of the videotape, I have concluded without a shadow of
a doubt, that it is in fact ... his knee.  You see, he is squatting next to
the body like a baseball catcher, and his left hand is on his left knee.  
What does it all mean ? Perhaps Bob used to be a major league catcher
(1906 Chicago Cubs?), and is taking out his vengence on ..., well perhaps
not."

So that's how my friend Erik sees it.  BTW, a one hour show sure is short!!!!!

Erik and I re-watched the last episode of the first season immeadiately before
the second season premeire which gave us the three-hour show effect.  That
seemed to be just the right length for an episode of twin-peaks (at least
for a couple of fanatics).  So last week when the normal one hour ended,
it was like "you're kidding, that's it.  What about the next hour".  Oh well.

Oz

In article <84582@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Andrew Pearlman <pearlman@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> >In article <1990Oct9.210809.14123@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>> >>The $10,000, I believe, was the same $10,000 that was found in Laura's
>> >>safe deposit box.
> >
> >That should not have happened if true.  The government can't use the money
>from an ongoing investigation [...]

In either case, the original reason that this was brought up was to 
counter claims that Cooper *must* have been a real FBI agent because
he'd had $10,000 of the Bureau's money.   If you believe that Cooper
is only impersonating an FBI agent, you could easily believe that 
the money was confiscated from LP's safe deposit box.

-Sho

In article <1990Oct9.031712.4723@world.std.com> katefans@world.std.com (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
> >2) Here in Chicago the opening credits were different than usual. The
> >   shot of the bird and the sawblades were cut out. Was it that way
> >   everywhere? If so, could it have been a reference to the mill
> >   burning down? No mill-no sawblades.

I don't think the explanation for this is so lofty.  I've noticed before
that they trim the beginning of the credits when they have a particularly
long series of "previously on Twin Peaks" scenes to show.  (And I thought
that sequence, mostly scenes from the season-opener, was done really well
with the Giant's voice dubbed over clips from Ronette's nightmare.)

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In article <1990Oct10.050616.17143@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
> >Some potential spoilers...

> >1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"

Oh dear, I was waiting for that to happen.  We needed another similar murder
to really shake things up.  It seems too close to Laura's murder though.

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

In article <30899@netnews.upenn.edu> hafken@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes:
> >Right now, I must say that Leland leads my list, but as someone has pointed
> >out, one problem is why would he have killed Theresa Banks? Why would he be
> >a serial killer?

Fodder for the theory mill:

If we are dealing with some kind of occult group, there is no reason
the same person killed Theresa Banks (although a member of the same group).
Maybe the letters under the fingernails identify each killer.

> >So, after the first episode this season, a new possibilty spring to mind:
> >the one-armed man!  Although it might seem implausable, consider this:

The OAM's suspicous arrival in TP about the time Laura was killed
interests me.  I had a theory that the OAM was an ex-member of
the "owl cult" (or whatever) and was actually trying to save their 
next victim.  (However, his possible drug connection seems to interfere 
with that.)

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

> > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 15:06:51 -0500
> > From: "Capt. Frank A. Lauro" <fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
> > To: Lane_Molpus@NeXT.COM
> > Subject: Re: Still Shaking (Twin Peaks)
> > 
> > Are you kidding?!?!?  You actually think that Gerard's lack of limb is real?
> > Take a good look at that scene when he's topless---I've seen better make-up
> > jobs in high school productions!  The actor obviously has one arm bent
> > behind him, and a fake "torso" molded around it.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------  
> > Captain Frank A. Lauro      "There are giants out there in the canyons    
> > Commanding Officer           And a good captain can't fall asleep..."        
> > U.S.S. ALEXA NCC 1764-D             ---Billy Joel, "The Downeaster Alexa"
       

I may be wrong.  I may be blind.  But I watched episode #4 again last night.
Right before the first commercial break, they burst into Mr. Gerard's motel
room.  We see him, topless.  He has a right arm, and apparently no left arm.
At this point I agree that it could be faked.  He is wet, though, since he
just got out of the shower, and this might give the impression that there's
a fake plastic torso molded around him.

When we return from the commercial break, we see Gerard, seated, wearing a
T-Shirt.  We first see him from behind, then it cuts to a front view.  They
cut back and forth several times.  It's still conceivable that they faked
each of these shots (filmed the shots from behind with his arm bent around
front, them filmed the shots from in front with his arm bent around back).

However, after Andy knocks open the suitcase, MR. GERARD GETS UP, WALKS OVER
TO THE SUITCASE, THEN *TURNS AROUND*.  THE MAN IS MISSING HIS LEFT ARM.

If that's a high school make-up job, then it would sure be an honor to
have attended that high school.