Season 2, Episode 16: The Condemned Woman — February 16–March 27, 1991

someone E-mail me Albert's Speech from early second season? I'm having some 
serious problems getting repairs to my Mitsubishi from Good Guys (It's 
eaten a few tapes, and their service plan won't cover it, but every week 
(starting 2 months ago) I get a thing telling me for $59, I get another year 
of hasles...)

 I remember Albert said it when Sheriff Truman asked if there was anything 
they should do, and he mentioned attempting to walk without his knuckles 
scraping against the ground. Thanks in advance for anyone's help.
(I have to start ALL Over again with second season. ack!)

michaell@cat55.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee) writes:
> >as Twin Peaks just can't.  If you just have the "bizzare" plots, there isn't
> >experiment is that rather then just targeting open-ended series, or one week
> >mini-series, there could be a very good market for a "Maxi-Series" -- a weekly
> >show, a la Twin Peaks, but something that is to end, very definitely, when the
> >story line is completed.

I believe that a good example of this, (yes - it *has* been done) was
_The_Prisoner_.  I don't remember how successful this was as a commercial
venture since I was a boy of 13 when it came out.

But - it has had staying power!

I have a suggestion if TP is cancelled, Rod Johnson and all
the other 26/01 creators could continue the plot line here.
Frankly, I enjoyed those posts more than some recent
episodes :).

I can't believe anyone is surprised by the news that ABC is going
to cancel - this was predicted when the show first aired.  However,
it is unfortunate that a show like this is allowed to die when some
of the other trash lives on and on.

There is always hope look at Star Trek, maybe Lynch will start making
TP movies - can you imagine what he would do with these characters
without the restrictions of TV :)



 Linda
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"Man surrenders. Spirit won't. Man crawls. Spirit flies. Spirit lives when
 Man dies. Man seems. Spirit is. Man dreams. Spirit lives. Man is tethered.
 Spirit is free. What Spirit is Man can be" Spirit, The Waterboys
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Since the cribsheet of Twin Peaks resources was posted to
alt.tv.twin-peaks, I've gotten a fair amount of mail from folks in the
UK and Down Under who are interested in the FAQ file, but haven't seen
all of the US episodes.  For the benefit of such folks, here's an
abridged version that doesn't give away any plot points.


TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS 
"No Spoilers" Version
Last revision: 2/20/91

1. What's this "secret diary" that people in alt.tv.twin-peaks keep
referring to?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch
(David's daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket
Books, and in the U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially
sanctioned by Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is
"A Twin Peaks Book").  

2. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * All the donuts they eat on Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
-- Yes for all of the above.

3. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer_ places the action in 1990.  Sources on the
production team (i.e., Scott Frost) indicate that it's been sort of
miraculously moved up to 1990.  Apparently, the producers and
directors have trouble keeping track of what day it's supposed to be
in Twin Peaks, never mind what year.

4. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.

   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA, which is in the
Cascades, not too far from Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the
Great Northern Hotel is really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't
look like the GNH on the inside); and the RR Diner is really the
Mar-T Cafe, which really does have heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
station breaks and on the Twin Peaks sound track album cover
indicates 51,201.  However cues in the show seem to indicate
that it's much much smaller than that.  For instance, it
doesn't have a resident circuit court judge, which any town of
51K+ in the U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no
police department (sheriff is usually a county rather than
city office).  On the other hand, it does have its own
hospital, a fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It
seems the creators haven't worried too much about being
consistent on this point.

5. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in Twin Peaks
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

6. Is the first season two-hour pilot considered the first episode, or is
the first one-hour show the first episode?  Do the episodes have
names?  What the best way of referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.

7. Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfeld) related to Jose
Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.
--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

Has this group discussed the possible implications of the use
of the name GhostWood by Ben?  I'm sure this has been discussed
before; I just haven't seen it in the last several weeks.  What
is the net consensus of the name's relevance, and how it relates
to inhabiting spirits, and the Major's study of the woods in Twin
Peaks?  What does it bode for Catherine's and/or Ben's plans?
Is the little pine weasel spiritually related to the owl?
What is in store for this development project?  Any ideas?

Just wondering...

------------
Best quote of 2/16:
Shelly, to Donna, while smoking: "You know... that's life.  Drag?"

In article <1991Feb13.040059.29023@rice.edu> anand@crysiris.rice.edu 
(Anand Kolatkar) writes:
> > I *need* a copy of the famed 1/26/91 episode of TP.
> >         BTW, I really don't *need* that episode; I can stop anytime I
> >         want to!!
> > 
> >         Seriously, could some kind soul please offer me a copy of this
> >         episode (I can pay or send back a blank tape).

Sure, Anand, I'll send you a copy.  That'll be $18.00 ppd, payable with 
either 3 $6 bills or 2 $9 bills.


-----------
Marck L. Bailey
"Remember: Gary is a moonlit object; expose accordingly."

I've received a deluge of replies regarding my offer so please... no more!

The two lucky(?) recipients will be notified by mail as soon as i get around
to sorting stuff out tonight.

thanks for participating  =)

-----
byron c gobgo@ucsee.berkeley.edubyron@ocf.berkeley.edu
ab econ/cs '92 ...!ucbvax!ucsee!bgo ...!ucbvax!ocf!byron

"I wish to say what I think and feel today, with the proviso that
 perhaps tomorrow I shall contradict it all."Ralph Waldo Emerson

David Patrick Kelly (Jerry Horne) also starred in Penn and Teller
Get Killed as the psychopathic actor dude.



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In article <60347@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, v053qgzj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David
M Snyderman) says:
> >
> >Has anyone thought of sending the compiled comments on 1/26 to Lynch et al?
> >I'd bet that they'd be interested in seeing the creativity...
> >Better yet, how about sending them to ABC?  I think that that would show the
> >MGS in charge of the network just what kind of a following that TP has--
> >especially the comments from poor befuddled persons begging for tape copies
> >of a non-existent episode.

I think everyone writing from this group should suggest ABC programming
executives subscribe to alt.tv.twin-peaks including the world wide
distribution.  I'm sure it would give them an inkling into the minds of
TP viewers.  However, this may also scare the hell out of them and
forever doom innovative television :).



 Linda
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Man surrenders. Spirit won't. Man crawls. Spirit flies. Spirit lives when
 Man dies. Man seems. Spirit is. Man dreams. Spirit lives. Man is tethered.
 Spirit is free. What Spirit is Man can be" Spirit, The Waterboys
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <2155@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks)
writes:
> >
> >        The knight in the Bergman's film, Antonius Bloch, indeed
> >        plays chess with Death.   However, at the end, he dies
> >        because Death comes in the guise of a priest.   Death
> >        then spirits the knight and those with him away.
> >
> >        I am not sure, maybe it is indirect allusion to Bergman.
> >

You left something important out.  As I recall, the knight reveals his chess
plans to someone he thinks is a priest while in the confessional.  Death uses
this information obtained by deceit to defeat the knight. You can make whatever
you like of that. I don't think this aspect of the film has anything to do with
the 'chess deal' in TP even if they had the film in mind.

Maybe this is a little off the subject, but I think I've come up with a 
previous example of what has happened with Twin Peaks. Maybe some of you 
have heard of it, maybe not. But the show was called Robotech, an import 
of three animated Japanese series combined into one, intended to present 
Japanese animation in English, yet still be faithful to the original 
Japanese script. Whether or not it succeeded is debatable, but the show 
itself was a big success in most parts of the country, getting the 
highest ratings for its [prime-time] time slot. 
But, as other shows, incredibly stupid shows that had more money behind 
them, were put into production and broadcast, ratings began to slip. The 
production company planned a sequel, and was three episodes into it when 
it realized that the incredibly stupid shows that had more money behind 
them were going to be watched, not Robotech. It was a very popular show, 
and when it was finally cancelled, there were mountains of letters 
written to the production company and to the stations, demanding the 
return of Robotech to broadcasting. But, as I think will unfortunately be 
the case with Twin Peaks, the letters did not to a damn bit of good. The 
shows that were stealing the ratings simply had more money behind them. 
And, also, a lot of people were taping the show rather than watching it. 

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

> > The second is a bit more complex.  We've seen, a few times, that
> > the host of the 'inhabiting spirit' needs to be near for the spirit
> > to manifest in a vision (as opposed to a dream).  (Perhaps this is too limited.
> > It certainly seems to be true for the Sr. Droolcup/GIANT, so I'm going
> > to over generalize and hypothisize that it is true for all of them.)  If
> > this is so, who are the current hosts for BOB and the Man From Another Place?
> > There were only two people in the room...

Four by my count -- but two appear to be dead or dying.

-- Dave

Arnie's best line in RAW DEAL:

"You should not drink and bake."

In article <1991Feb21.191207.24284@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> >Do what I do.  I try to limit the distribution of articles with
> >plot-related info to 'na' (North America).  

Yes, that'd be the goody-two-shoes thing to do, but I don't want to
listen to OzEuroGripes when something slips through.  We were here
first, and there is little reason to share discussion with people who
are a season behind.  If anyone cared that deeply they could subscribe
to BOTH a.t.t and aus.twin-peaks.

> >No need to be rude and Ameri-centric.

Quite right, it's elective.  :-)

Hello all...

A couple of friends and I are going to Washington state this next
month and we were thinking about going to the town where they
film Twin Peaks. Can anyone tell me how to get there? and all the
other exciting things that I can do there?

thanks in advance.

Jenny

Hey I am willing to pay someone to tape the episodes for me too!
I missed the first season and couple of 2nd season, if someone 
can do it, let me know!

Jenny

Hey Guys,

We here in the rest of the world are just starting to see this show for
the first time.  Yet others are about to have the name of the killer
revealed to them.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put a spoiler warning in the subject if your
article makes reference to who killed Laura.

I've only seen 3 shows now, and it's fabulous!  However, some *idiot*
fucked it up for me today by telling me the name of the killer in one
of the articles in this group.  I love this group, the show is so
strange that people need a place to bounce ideas off one another.  But
I don't want to know who killed Laura Palmer until the show tells me.

I'm so pissed off, 'cos the article was in a real interesting thread,
discussing the importance of the the dancing dwarf, and made no mention
of giving away matters even more important than National Security.

Robyn Grunberg.

A spoiler warning takes only a moment, and could save someone's life.

Unfortunately I was out of town on the weekend of the 9th therefore
missed the episode , can someone fill me in on what happened?

the person who is behind,

Jenny

In article <009445F1.C5721500@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> st883045@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >I know I'm going to be sorry for asking this, but has anybody else heard the
> >rumor that TP has been cancelled because of low ratings? The 2/16 episode had
> >no teaser at the end and I heard from a few people that it has been. However,
> >my TV guide has TP listed to be shown on 2/22. 

(Aghast)  *No*!  (Shocked)

> >Please, Rod Johnson, don't let this question turn out to be another 1/26
> >fiasco. 

. . . "Fiasco"?  <menacing music>

> >It's only a simple question.

There are no simple questions--only simple questioners.

(How's the ol' mental health climate at Brandeis these days?)


--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

In article <00944786.2C49C940@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> st872486@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >re #8:  (the poem):  I thought line #3 was "One chance heart between two
> >worlds" probably referring to LP, possibly the heart necklace that connects
> >her bizarre world to the normal one that James represents....

Cool!  A new reading for the poem.  What do you think the Kreamed Korn
Kid said?

(and did he look like David Lynch or what?)



--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

In article <69279@yarra.oz.au> rag@yarra.oz.au (Robyn A Grunberg) writes:
> >We here in the rest of the world are just starting to see this show for
> >the first time.  Yet others are about to have the name of the killer
> >revealed to them.

Then you should create aus.twin-peaks and stick to that group.  What are
we supposed to do, maintain a six page list of how far along every
country on the planet is in the series?  Is it all right to tell Denmark
about the Giant yet?  Is Kenya cleared for the White Lodge?

If you are just starting out, it is simply inappropriate to be rummaging
around in this newsgroup.  We've seen the whole series, and nearly
EVERYTHING is a spoiler!

In article <AEC71C3100205C4D@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >I have faith that ABC will bring our show back after a while.  I really
> >don't think they would drop a show like Twin Peaks without at least trying
> >it on a different night first.

Saturday night WAS the "different night."  It was on Thursday nights for
most of the first season.

This is my first posting here... hope it works.

I have faith that ABC will bring our show back after a while.  I really
don't think they would drop a show like Twin Peaks without at least trying
it on a different night first.

Question is, will the ratings REALLY be better on a weeknight?

Write now.  The sooner we write the sooner we get Twin Peaks back.



Kenneth Bays                UN040377@wvnvms.wvnet.edu

In article <1991Feb21.175207.4886@engin.umich.edu> ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes:
> >In article <84836213@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >|>  * DON'T do some kind of form letter!!  Whoever uploaded his letter (in
> >|> TeX, yet -- why not a bitmap?? :-( ) with the recommendation to "copy
> >|> the text in the middle into your own letter" or words to that effect,
> >|> was doing a disservice.  USE YOUR OWN WORDS ...
> >
> >If I recall correctly (of course I do, I saved the bloody posting in a file,)
> >what I wrote was:
> > ``...those of you who
> >  have it on your system but haven't used it to write a letter can simply
> >  copy the stuff between the ------ lines into a file called, say, letter.tex, 
> >  INSERT YOUR OWN ADDRESS AND TEXT, ...''
> >I wanted to make it easy for people to use LaTeX to write a letter,
> >not to tell them what to write. Next time read the postings more carefully
> >before casting stones, please.

My apologies for misinterpreting Ernst Mayer's professed intent in posting
his entire ABC letter in LaTeX format.  I didn't read his introductory
paragraph closely enough.

I rather suspect, however, that most readers would treat it as I did,
namely an invitation to copy the whole thing.

If a user doesn't understand LaTeX, he or she will probably have little
success in negotiating all the little backslash sequences necessary to
substitute his or her own name, address, signature etc., as well as
express the letter body properly.  ({\sl Twin Peaks}, indeed!)

On the other hand, if the user DOES know LaTeX he or she can probably
see that all that extensive control information is accomplishing about
what a 5 minute session with the ol' Underwood portable will do: tab
over here, put your address, skip a line, type your message, etc.
There's nothing fancy going on.  Using LaTeX for something like this is
total overkill.

Anyway, enough criticism.  My real point is that people should AVOID
any semblance of uniformity in content or format of their letters.
Write your own, from scratch, using whatever you have at hand, and mail
it NOW.  That's what counts.

-- What luck for rulers that men []+ Tom Neff do not think. -- A. Hitler +[] tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <009445F1.C5721500@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> st883045@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >I know I'm going to be sorry for asking this, but has anybody else heard the
> >rumor that TP has been cancelled because of low ratings? The 2/16 episode had
> >no teaser at the end and I heard from a few people that it has been. However,
> >my TV guide has TP listed to be shown on 2/22. 
> >Please, Rod Johnson, don't let this question turn out to be another 1/26
> >fiasco. It's only a simple question.

I heard that it was the low ratings of the 1/26 episode (practically 
nobody saw it) that killed the show.


--Mike




-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | "You gotta put down the ducky mnemonic@eff.org | if you wanna play the saxophone." Electronic Frontier | Foundation |

I have the solution for the fast-forwarding through commercials vs.
what's in this for ABC's sponsors debate.  The commercials should
be incorporated into the show...for example...

The use of Pledge to dust Josie in the door knob.

A couple scenes of Juan Valdez and his mule wandering through
   the Palmer house.

Norma using Crisco oil to make those damn fine cherry pies.

Nadine extolling the virtues of Nike Air Jordans.

Cooper telling Diane to make sure those next batch of micro-
   cassette tapes are Sony brand.


Hmm...actually the more I think about this, the better I 
   like the idea.

Connie

    I've just watched the episode in which we are told who Laura Palmer's
killer is - namely here dad Leylad.

    1) Why did he kill her ?

    2) Have read in the UK press that ABC is killing Tp after 16/22 episodes
       of series 2 due to falling ratings. Is this true or is there another
       David Lynchesque reason for it ?

    3) Is there a co-ordinated campaign to try and reverse this apalling and
       totally misguided decision ?

Lister (Totally unhappy with ABC :( )
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/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / stigove@solan.unit.no (Stig Ove Johnsen) /  5:10 pm  Feb 19, 1991 /

> > Last friday here in Norway, the NRK (the norwegian broadcasting) sent an 
> > episode of TP that I believe you americans saw in november.
> > It was the episode where we found out that Leland are Lauras killer.

That was TP 2007; we saw it in the UK on Tuesday.

> > Was that episode a re-run over in US, or are we norwegains only a few 
> > episodes away from where you (americans) are ???

The most recent episode seen in the US was 2016.

> > How many episodes are there ??

2022 is the final episode.

Richard.

"HP says - we're going back - to Profitability, Palo Alto."

'Just thought I'd let you know that the local radio station (Annapolis)
is broadcasting Bob Iger's fax number every fifteen minutes this
morning, and there's an organization sprouting up in the Washington,
D.C. area called Citizens Opposed to the Offing of "Peaks" (COOP).  

The radio station is WHFS, and you can call them for COOP info at
1-800-321-WHFS.  There's going to be a COOP meeting *tonight* (in
Washington, I think), but I don't have the details yet.  For those
who aren't local, perhaps the best thing to do (other than writing
to Iger, of course) is to call WHFS and find out about organizing
a chapter of COOP on *your* campus or in *your* town.

Here's those numbers again--mail them to all your buddies on the net:

--Fiona Oceanstar
  fi@grebyn.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Iger
Head Honcho Programming Executive
ABC
77 W. 66th St.
NY, NY

(213) 557-7777 (voice--west coast)
(212) 887-3900 (voice--east coast)

Iger's fax:  213-557-7160

******LET'S BE HEARD*****


--your bud

antofi@romeo.caltech.edu (Figl, Antonio) writes:

> > What makes me even more mad is that the newsgroup will have little
> > reason to exist. Making up episodes may last for a while, but c'mon, really..

Not true in the short term, in the UK we have just seen the episode where
Maddy croaked.  Now at least I need not worry about reading spoilers here!

I hope the BBC, being a non ratings-driven organisztion will show all the
episodes that have been made.  At least we get them without any breaks.

(Sorry to twist the knife ;-)

Tim

From article <1991Feb20.070432.1277@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, by michaell@cat55.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)writes:

>> One thing that I feel that the networks could learn from the Twin Peaks
>> experiment is that rather then just targeting open-ended series, or one week
>> mini-series, there could be a very good market for a "Maxi-Series" -- a weekly
>> show, a la Twin Peaks, but something that is to end, very definitely, when the
>> story line is completed. This should be planned from start to finish, at
>> least generally. This allows some more freedom in television ideas, but
>> doesn't force strict forms. However, there would have to be a certain level of
>> commitment from the network to show the entire series.

>I agree with this wholeheartedly....don't they do this in Britain? I seem
>to remember someone telling me that they do...
>

>BOB Cappel

It is very common in Britain to have limited run quality series. The
advantages of it are that a small group of writers can plan out a whole
series to its completion at a finite point in time. The series will then
keep the same 'flavour' throughout with the same director(s) etc. It
seems to us in Britain that the nearest you get to these are high-gloss
mini-series. I suppose the reason for the absence of such series is
that there is a viewer drop-off when people miss an episode and then
feel they can't come back into the story very easily, but commercial
television over here manages them (not all those British programmes
on PBS are made by the BBC).

Much as I'm enjoying Twin Peaks in the UK, I would be very happy if the
series was nicely wrapped up and rounded off - not left at an
indisciminate cliff-hanger though.

Adam Bowie

Janet: ma8ajb@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Internet: ma8ajb@gdt.bath.ac.uk

>> > > The second is a bit more complex.  We've seen, a few times, that
>> > > the host of the 'inhabiting spirit' needs to be near for the spirit
>> > > to manifest in a vision (as opposed to a dream).  (Perhaps this is too limited.
>> > > It certainly seems to be true for the Sr. Droolcup/GIANT, so I'm going
>> > > to over generalize and hypothisize that it is true for all of them.)  If
>> > > this is so, who are the current hosts for BOB and the Man From Another Place?
>> > > There were only two people in the room...
> > 
> > Four by my count -- but two appear to be dead or dying.

Another thought (sorry I only have one at a time).  Is TMFAP known to 
"represent" Leland, or perhaps he "represents" Bob's host.  Under this theory,
perhaps the current host of Bob will start dancing any moment now.

On the other hand, it is possible that, when Frost/Lynch heard that TP
was being cancelled they just called everyone who was available and said 
"come on down".

-- dave

Ok, so I watch Empty Nest occasionally.  Anyway, the plot 2/16 (just
before TP) involved Harry (an older man) dating a younger woman (don't
remember name).  They were trying to figure what they had in common and
her favorite movie was Blue Velvet (she suggested they watch it and Harry
grimaced) :-).

they decided they had nothing in common and broke up. As Harry was leaving,
she switched on the TV and  the Blue Velvet song started up.  Before 
I started reading this group, (and then rented Blue Velvet out of curiosity),
I wouldn't have understood the implications of this exchange.

Susan

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / lzs@indetech.com (Lynn Z. Schneider x2077) / 11:03 pm  Feb 19, 1991 /

> > Log Lady sez: "The Nielsens are not what they seem!"

Log Lady : "ABC is the Devil."

Richard.

While I'm not sure how I feel about this theory, a friend of mine 
postulates that Bob is now in Truman.  The back up to this argument is that 
when ever a 'spirit' appears to Coop, the host must be present, and when 
the spirit appears, the host dissapears.  Remember the scenes with Senor 
Droolcup/The Giant, and of course Leland/Bob.  Well when Bob appeared on 
the 2/16 episode, Truman was there and when he dissapeared, Bob reared his 
ugly head.  Any other thoughts on this idea??

In article <86334@sgi.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >
> >Has this group discussed the possible implications of the use
> >of the name GhostWood by Ben?  I'm sure this has been discussed
> >before; I just haven't seen it in the last several weeks.  What
> >is the net consensus of the name's relevance, and how it relates
> >to inhabiting spirits, and the Major's study of the woods in Twin
> >Peaks?  What does it bode for Catherine's and/or Ben's plans?
> >Is the little pine weasel spiritually related to the owl?
> >What is in store for this development project?  Any ideas?
> >

Maybe the spirits of dying people are drawn to wood as lightening is
drawn to a lightening rod.
Perhaps the woods are holding the spirits of everyone who has died nearby.
Oldgrowth could even be holding indian spirits from before the coming
of the white man.  Also, the woods could be growing around an indian
burial ground. Or alternatively, perhaps the extraterrestrials have been
mistaken for ghosts for years, giving rise to legends of a ghost wood.
 
I'm assuming that Ben did not make up the name but is drawing it from
some local name. If he thought of it himself, it is a very curious
choice.
 
________________________________________________________________________________

In article <1991Feb21.133535.10396@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> afmartp@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> >While I'm not sure how I feel about this theory, a friend of mine 
> >postulates that Bob is now in Truman.  The back up to this argument is that 
> >when ever a 'spirit' appears to Coop, the host must be present, and when 
> >the spirit appears, the host dissapears.  Remember the scenes with Senor 
> >Droolcup/The Giant, and of course Leland/Bob.  Well when Bob appeared on 
> >the 2/16 episode, Truman was there and when he dissapeared, Bob reared his 
> >ugly head.  Any other thoughts on this idea??

I've always felt that Truman is too good to be true. He is the only character 
who shows no dark side (except for Cooper who at least has a weird
side).  I also believe that Bob needs to gain entrance through repressed
feelings such as repressed desire or repressed anger. Truman has been 
living a frustrating life for years, separated from the woman he loves,
no sexual outlet otherwise, and by now he must be very angry with Josie,
yet he does not express that anger in any way. I think his soul is fertile
ground for Bob.
 
_____________________________________________________________

___
 __ Submitted for your approval:  two TV shows with alt.tv
  _ newsgroups.  At some point in these shows, characters have
    asserted their attraction to members of the opposite sex.
    In both cases, an incomprehensible reference to pant-like
    clothing is mentioned.

_Twin_Peaks_
~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Denise (_nee_ Dennis) Bryson:  Just how old is that girl?
    Cooper:  I didn't know you were still interested.
    Denise:  I put my panties on one leg at a time, if you
             know what I mean.
    Cooper:  No, not really.

_The_Simpsons_
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Homer:  You're not married, are you?
    Seymour "Spanky" Skinner:  Just to my job.
    Homer:  But if you were married, you'd go for a girl, wouldn't
            you?
    Skinner:  >Heh< >heh< >heh<.  Yes, these pants come off at
              night, just like everybody else's.

___
 __ What does these statements mean?  Is Denise implying that gay
  _ transvestites put their panties on two legs at a time?  Is
    Spanky suggesting that gay people leave their pants on at
    night?  What gives? :-)
    <_Jym_>
  |\/\/\/|
::|      |::: Jym Dyer :::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.______.:::
::|  (o)(o)::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| Damn |\::
::C      _)::::: Annoying Republicans since 1960 ::::::| Fine |/::
:::| `-__|::: I put my panties on one leg at a time. ::`------':::

In article <84836213@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
|> It's great that we're all writing to ABC, but let me make a couple of
|> suggestions.
|> 
|>  * DON'T do some kind of form letter!!  Whoever uploaded his letter (in
|> TeX, yet -- why not a bitmap?? :-( ) with the recommendation to "copy
|> the text in the middle into your own letter" or words to that effect,
|> was doing a disservice.  USE YOUR OWN WORDS -- tell them what you really
|> think.  They know how to tell the difference, and it will MAKE a
|> difference.

If I recall correctly (of course I do, I saved the bloody posting in a file,)
what I wrote was:
 ``...those of you who
  have it on your system but haven't used it to write a letter can simply
  copy the stuff between the ------ lines into a file called, say, letter.tex, 
  INSERT YOUR OWN ADDRESS AND TEXT, ...''
I wanted to make it easy for people to use LaTeX to write a letter,
not to tell them what to write. Next time read the postings more carefully
before casting stones, please.

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
|                   The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.          |
|  Internet: ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu, ewm@math.lsa.umich.edu       |
|  FishNet : salmon.swim.upstream@spawning.time  :-o ? ;->...:-) !  |
|                ..     ..                                          |
*----"Was nicht totet, hartet." - F. Nietzsche----------------------*

In article <1991Feb21.165223.2230@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >I've always felt that Truman is too good to be true. He is the only character 
> >who shows no dark side (except for Cooper who at least has a weird
> >side).  I also believe that Bob needs to gain entrance through repressed
> >feelings such as repressed desire or repressed anger. Truman has been 
> >living a frustrating life for years, separated from the woman he loves,
> >no sexual outlet otherwise, and by now he must be very angry with Josie,
> >yet he does not express that anger in any way. I think his soul is fertile
> >ground for Bob.

I agree -- Truman is not what he seems.  I mean, look at the name:
Truman.  True man!  (The `Harry S.' business was just a red herring,
to mislead us.)  He is faced with a stark contrast between good and
evil; he's the sheriff (`leader of the forces of good'), but he is
really mixed up with Josie, whose life is about as twisted as they
come (perhaps second only to Catherine's... but maybe not?).

I suspect that BOB preyed on Truman through his weakness for Josie.
Perhaps BOB led Josie into killing herself for pleasure, and has now
trapped her spirit in the wood, safe there for later use as a
bargaining-chip against Cooper?

Then again, a friend of mine insists that David Lynch was wrong, and
that Truman actually killed Laura Palmer, and that the show goofed.
Each to his own, I s'pose.

     << Brian >>

| Brian S. Kendig      \ Macintosh |   Engineering,   | bskendig             |
| Computer Engineering |\ Thought  |  USS Enterprise  | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU
| Princeton University |_\ Police  | -= NCC-1701-D =- | @PUCC.BITNET         |
"It's not that I don't have the work to *do* -- I don't do the work I *have*."

   Andy and Lucy doing a commercial for a pregnancy test

   Albert pulling on isotoner gloves standing next to a long table with
a sheet over it.

   Leland doing an ad for Saran Wrap.

   Major Briggs doing a credit card ad (``sometimes you have to travel in
                                       a hurry...'')

   BOB meets the Everready Bunny (``They just keep going and ...'')

I just heard TwinPeaks has been cancelled in the states....
Right in the middle of the 2nd series....
Here in the UK....Scotland...We just discovered that the murderer
was leland....possessed by BOB....
Its typical of Americans to come up with a good show and then cancel
it mean its just getting going....SAD I think.....
Although its doing fine over here & is on at 9pm on Tuesdays and 10pm on 
Sundays....The BBC say they are expected another 25 eposides and have heard
nothing....Perhaps we'll get more twinpeaks than you guys state side....
That would be pleasing....

From,
Dave....
In Bonnie Scotland.........

In article <64781355@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <69279@yarra.oz.au> rag@yarra.oz.au (Robyn A Grunberg) writes:
>> >>We here in the rest of the world are just starting to see this show for
>> >>the first time.  Yet others are about to have the name of the killer
>> >>revealed to them.
> >
> >Then you should create aus.twin-peaks and stick to that group.  What are
> >we supposed to do, maintain a six page list of how far along every
> >country on the planet is in the series?  Is it all right to tell Denmark
> >about the Giant yet?  Is Kenya cleared for the White Lodge?
> >
> >If you are just starting out, it is simply inappropriate to be rummaging
> >around in this newsgroup.  We've seen the whole series, and nearly
> >EVERYTHING is a spoiler!

Do what I do.  I try to limit the distribution of articles with
plot-related info to 'na' (North America).  (I post the FAQ to the
world, but include a spoiler warning.)  That way, they shouldn't
go to Australia.  Easy to do (just edit the header) and saves
bandwidth.  No need to be rude and Ameri-centric.

--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <5367@tellab5.tellabs.com>, jfr@tellabs.com (John Ryder) writes:
|> 
|> Well I just saw an ad on TV last night for the first movie that ABC
|> is going to be running in the "Twin Peaks" timeslot on Saturday night.
|> Arnold Schwarzenegger in "RAW DEAL"!!! Indeed!
|> 
|> WRITE!!!!CALL!!!!SAVE TWIN PEAKS!!!!!!

Hey, watch it, that's Arnie you're talking about there! Raw Deal is no classic
by any means, but he does wear some pretty spiffy double-breasted suits
and only bares his chest once. Let's see not-so-sly-Stallone try that.
This is not to say that I'm recommending you watch it on ABC - screw those
bozos, may they all be forced to watch endless reruns of "Doogie Howser"
dubbed in Arabic while jackals eat their entrails in a desert sandstorm...

For an Arnie movie with a Twin Peaks connection, check out "Commando", with
none other than our own Jerry Horne (David Patrick Kelly) as Solly, who gets
dangled over a cliff by Arnie:
A:  ``Remember, Solly, remember when I said I was going to kill you last?''
S:  ``That's right, you did say that!''
A:  ``I lied.'' (drops him)
S:  ``Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...''
Arnie goes back to car, femme fatale (Rae Dawn Chong) is there.
FF: ``What did you do with that guy?''
A:  ``Oh, I let him go.''

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
|                   The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.          |
|  Internet: ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu, ewm@math.lsa.umich.edu       |
|  FishNet : salmon.swim.upstream@spawning.time  :-o ? ;->...:-) !  |
|                ..     ..                                          |
*----"Was nicht totet, hartet." - F. Nietzsche----------------------*

Twin Peaks Video.
=================

Here in the U.K., a friend of mine bought a video from Warner Bros. of
the first series (condensed) of Twin Peaks. In it, Cooper and the
Sheriff confront Bob in the hospital basement. In walks the one armed
man and shoots Bob. This does not occur in the TV series on the BBC -
does anyone know why it was omitted?

Re. -  the decline of Twin Peaks.
=================================

I have noticed that several of you have voiced the fear that this board
may collapse as a result of ABC dropping TP. Please keep it going! There
are quite a few of us here that are several months behind you, and I'm
sure that there will be many questions from us that will need answering
....


Message to Janet Swisher - got your message OK - thanks! It just goes to
show how our two societies differ.......


Paul R. Grove, University of Keele, Staffordshire, UK.


e-mail to: iru03@uk.ac.keele.seq1

Damn fine bulletin board.

Congratulations go out to Angelo Baladamenti, who
won a Grammy for Best Pop Instrumental for his Twin
Peaks Theme.
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga   1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling

In article <AEC71C3100205C4D@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >Question is, will the ratings REALLY be better on a weeknight?
> >
> >Kenneth Bays                UN040377@wvnvms.wvnet.edu

Last season it was on on weeknights and it seemed to do well enough to
bring it back for a second season...

Michelle

TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
Last revision: 2/21/91

(Many of these concern what various people said.  Many thanks to Bart
J. Geraci, the man with the closed caption decoder.)

WARNING: This article may contain references to any episode up to and
including the most recent one shown in the U.S.  

New or changed lines begin with #.

Meta-question #0: Why should we accept the closed captions as authoritative?
Don't the people who enter the captions just type what *they* hear?
--The closed captions for most pre-recorded network shows that have them are
created from scripts.  Despite all the script-secrecy surrounding
Twin Peaks, it is reasonable to assume that TP's captions are
created the same way.

1. What's this "secret diary" that people in alt.tv.twin-peaks keep
referring to?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch (David's
daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket Books, and in the
U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially sanctioned by
Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is "A Twin Peaks
Book").  It's supposed to be the text of the diary that was
discovered in the *second* season of the show.

2. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
-- French
   b) What did he say?
-- J'ai une ame solitaire: I have a solitary soul (according to the closed
captions).
   c) Didn't he look an awful lot like David Lynch?
-- Yes, that's because he's Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.  (For
handy reference, look at Gordon Cole (Cooper's boss): he's played by
David Lynch.)

3. What was that ditty Leland was singing, and what does it mean?
-- The full lyrics of the song are:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and little lambzy divy.
A kiddly divy, too, wooden shoe?

Now if the words sounds queer,
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivy,
Sing:

Mares eat oats and does eats oats
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?

4. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm.  No, he did not play
Lurch on the Adams Family (although it has been reported that he
will play Lurch in an upcoming AF movie).

5. Who was standing outside the window while Josie was seducing Harry?
-- A number of theories have been suggested, with Jonathon (Josie's
"cousin") being the most popular; others theories include Leo,
Pete, and Andrew Packard.  However, Tim Holland, the director
of the episode in question, is quoted as saying it was
Jonathon (well, he says "the Oriental man", but he means
Jonathon) in _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes: An Unofficial
Guide to Twin Peaks_, by Mark Altman.

6. What were the three predictions that the giant made to Cooper?
-- a man in a smiling bag
   the owls are not what they seem
   without chemicals, he points

   The giant also said something about "Leo locked in a hungry horse," and
that there was a clue at Leo's house.  However, these were not the
"predictions" which were to be fulfilled before Cooper gets his ring
back.  The former refers to the fact that Leo was in jail in Hungry
Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was killed, and the latter refers
to the Circle Brand boots that were found with the cocaine at Leo's
house.

7. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * BOB and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat on Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
   * Sarah's vision of a white horse, and Mr. Ed?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Laura' pony, Troy?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Death, which "rides a pale horse"?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  heroin, also known as "white horse" 
  (maybe Leland/BOB shot her up with 
  heroin)?
-- Yes for all of the above.

8. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later at the
sheriff's station?
-- "Through the darkness of future past
    the magician longs to see
    one chants out between two worlds
    'Fire walk with me.'"

   (There has been much debate over whether the second-to-last line is "one
chants out" or "one chance out".  The closed captions indicate
"chants".)

9. How were the funny voices in Cooper's dream done?  
-- Before shooting the scene, the actors were recorded reading their lines.
The recording was then played to them backwards, and they memorized
how to imitate it.  Each shot in the scene was acted in reverse
order, with the actors saying their "backwards" lines.  The film was
then reversed so that the actions came out in the right order, and
the words came out double-reversed.  Unfortunately, the words
weren't very intelligible, so subtitles were added.

10. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer_ places the action in 1990.  Sources on the
production team (i.e., Scott Frost) indicate that it's been sort of
miraculously moved up to 1990.  Apparently, the producers and
directors have trouble keeping track of what day it's supposed to be
in Twin Peaks, never mind what year.

11. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by Leland/BOB.
Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the hospital when Jacques
was killed?  Does this mean that Leland was BOB when he killed
Jacques?
-- No.  Later, under hypnosis, Jacoby corrected himself and said that he
smelled the burned smell just before he was attacked at the gazebo,
#but not at the hospital.  _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes_
#indicates that Jacoby's attacker was Leland/BOB, although this
#was not revealed in any episode.

12. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.

   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA, which is in the
Cascades, not too far from Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the
Great Northern Hotel is really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't
look like the GNH on the inside); and the RR Diner is really the
Mar-T Cafe, which really does have heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
#station breaks and on the Twin Peaks sound track album cover
#indicates 51,201.  According to _Twin Peaks Behind the
#Scenes_, Lynch/Frost originally conceived of it as 5,201, but
#the network insisted on increasing it.  This has resulted in
#mixed cues within the show. For instance, Twin Peaks doesn't
have a resident circuit court judge, which any town of 51K+ in
the U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no police
#department (sheriff is usually a county rather than a city
#office).  On the other hand, it does have its own hospital, a
fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It seems
#Lynch/Frost hasn't worried too much about being consistent on
#this point.

13. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
#album (which includes several tunes heard in Twin Peaks
#episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

14. Is the first season two-hour pilot considered the first episode, or is
the first one-hour show the first episode?  Do the episodes have
names?  What the best way of referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.

15. Can a person's hair really turn white "over night" like Leland's did
between the first and second seasons?
--Generally, only folklore supports this ("it happened to a friend of a
friend of mine").  Since hair above the scalp is dead matter, it
can't change color without dyes or bleaches.  It's possible that a
person with mixed gray and dark hair could lose all their older,
darker hair over a short period of time (a few days or weeks) due to
a physical or psychological trauma, which would leave them with just
gray hair.  Or a dark-haired person might lose all their dark hairs
and grow in gray ones over a similar span of time, but "over night"
seems physically implausible.

#16. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfeld) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.

#    b)  Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
#recording of "Fishheads"?
#--Yes, Ferrer was part of Barnes and Barnes who recorded "Fishheads",
#along with Bill Mumy.  Ferrer and Mumy also make up a band
#called Seduction of the Innocent which plays very occasionally
#at comics conventions.  They have also written some comic
#books together.

17. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the USA? Were
there in fact several regional variants broadcast? Did we
learn who shot Cooper? Did Dick Tremaine die?  
-- No, the 1/26 episode was a collective and spontaneous hoax started
by R o d Johnson and carried on straightfaced by numerous
alt.tv.twin-peaks posters.

#18. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called "Twin
#Peaks" available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
#relationship to the series?
#--It's a modified version of the series pilot, which was shown as a TV
#movie in Europe.  It ends differently, with the killer being
#caught.  The sequence which made up Cooper's dream in the
#series is tacked onto the end, as a prolog labelled "25 years
#later".

#19. Is it true that Twin Peaks has been cancelled?  Where can I
#write/phone/fax to protest?
#--Twin Peaks has been placed on hiatus due to failing ratings; the
#remaining six episodes ABC ordered will be shown later this
#season or next season.  Often, a hiatus is a first step before
#cancelling a show.  

#  Write to:
#Robert Iger
#Entertainment President, ABC
#2040 Avenue of the Stars
#Century City, CA   90067
#  Phone: 
#(213) 557-7777 (Los Angeles)
#(212) 887-3900 (New York)
#(212) 456-7477 (New York, network programming)
#  Fax:
#(213) 557-7160

#  More addresses and phone numbers can be found in Keith Dawson's
#cribsheet to TP resources, <5104@atexnet.UUCP>.
--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <46013404@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <1991Feb19.191246.21221@b11.ingr.com> sharon@marcom1.ingr.com (new user) writes:
>> >>I heard on NPR this morning that last Saturday's episode of TWIN PEAKS
>> >>was the last episode!!! Has anyone else heard this viscious rumor? How
>> >>can then end it NOW?
> >
> >It must be a viscous rumor -- it flows so slowly.

Now this, IMHO, is an outrageously clever comment. (no
stupid smiley)


-- John Kupec, Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc., La Jolla, CA jwk@scripps.edu or uunet!agouron!kupec

janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian x2054) writes:

> >... important to stress that Neilson does not know about VCRs, ...

Perhaps the ratings exclude VCR's on purpose.  Presumably if you tape
a show, you skip over the commercials.  From a network's POV, a show
is just interesting material to get you to sit through more
commercials.  VCR's defeat this entirely.

The effectiveness of commercials might also be somewhat diminished
when a show is viewed by a large group.

In article <27C21633.19563@ics.uci.edu> dcoteles@ics.uci.edu (David Domenick Cotelessa) writes:
> >In article <86154@sgi.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>> >>
>> >>See the mountains kiss high heaven
>> >>And the waves clasp one another
>> >>No sister flower would be forgiven
>> >>If it disdained its brother
>> >>And the sunlight clasps the earth
>> >>And the moonbeams kiss the sea
>> >>What is all this sweet work worth
>> >>If thou kiss not me?
> >
> >This poem is part of a poem called "Love's Philosophy" by Percy Shelly.



Here's another verse from Shelley, most fitting and appropriate 
words of lament in recognition of our loss: 


He hath awakened from the dream of life-- 
'Tis we, who lost in stormy visions, keep 
With phantoms an unprofitable strife, 
And in mad trance, strike with our spirit's knife 
Invulnerable nothings.  

"Adonais"  


"Invulnerable nothings" -- good invective for network nitwits, no?


--Barbara 



 
--
Barbara HlavinPeople who like this sort of thing will find
twain@blake.acs.washington.edu  this the sort of thing they like.  -A. Lincoln

swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:

> >4. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
> >-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm.  No, he did not play
> >Lurch on the Adams Family (although it has been reported that he
> >will play Lurch in an upcoming AF movie).

He also played Fidel in the movie "Witches of Eastwick."

Thomas Dowling

rag@yarra.oz.au (Robyn A Grunberg) writes:

> >We here in the rest of the world are just starting to see this show for
> >the first time.  Yet others are about to have the name of the killer
> >revealed to them.

> >PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put a spoiler warning in the subject if your
> >article makes reference to who killed Laura.

> >I've only seen 3 shows now, and it's fabulous!

Respectfully, no.  This would require 80-90% of the postings in this
group have spoiler warnings.  If they are just starting TP in Oz, this
newsgroup is the *wrong* thing for you to be reading.  An aussie-only
distribution tp newsgroup would be a good idea. 
-- "Perl is the BASIC of UNIX." -- Tom Christiansen

jguy@lilith.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Bone) writes:

> >An estimated 38000 persons worldwide read the Twin Peaks interest group 
> >on the USENET network news service.  Of 706 newsgroups on topics ranging
>from technical/professional issues to social topics, the Twin Peaks
> >group ranks 188, or in the 74th percentile.  The newsgroup carries
> >over 1000 "postings" (articles or letters) each month, or over 34 per
> >day.  It is "received" by 69% of all sites on USENET;  note that receiving
> >a group is optional, meaning that 69% of all the sites have an interest in
> >seeing this group.

One correction -- according to uunet, there are approxomately 1900
newsgroups.  Almost all are smaller the the `canonical seven' (of
which alt is *not* a part), so it's safe to say a.tv.t-p is in the
top 10%.

Yours for better lies with statistics,

Steve
-- "Perl is the BASIC of UNIX." -- Tom Christiansen

> > Seriously, I suspect that what happened to Josie is what happened
> > to Margaret's late husband.  In each case their spirit fled their
> > body to avoid imminent death and took up residence in the nearest
> > wooden object.

I thought that Coop was having a vision of how Josie really died -
being strangled or suffocated (with a silk stocking?) by the lurking
Bob.

collier@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Collier) writes:

> > I received a copy of David Lynch's Industrial Symphony #1 on videotape for
> > Christmas. I viewed it and then loaned it to a couple of friends who have now
> > also seen it. All of us seemed to be disturbed by it and to have found a lot
> > of interesting imagery in it, but none of us seems to have any idea what it's
> > "about". Can someone enlighten us, please? The answer "nothing" is an answer
> > I've certainly considered by it's not a particularly interesting answer, so
> > I'm hope someone has something else to add.

While I enjoy Industrial Symphony a lot, I think "nothing" may well be 
the appropriate answer. Alternative, the proper rejoinder might be what 
you mean by "about"? I think of it in the same mode as, say, Einstein on 
the Beach (and does anyone know when PBS is going to air the TV version 
of EotB?) -- the point is simply the juxtaposition of the sounds and 
images; the "about"ness of the work is what it triggers in the mind of 
the audience member. I think you can make anything work as long as each 
aspect of it remains, if not explicable, at least intentional. That's 
true, for example, of the better parts of TP: While the Dream of the 
Dancing Dwarf had many aspects that didn't seem to make any sense, we ran 
with it because it seemed to make some sort of a whole.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> > o The final scenes.  Josie dying mysteriously (heart attack?),
> >   BOB's return.  The LMFAP.  Josie in the nightstand knob.  Sort of
> >   reminds me of the Log Lady and her log.  Did anyone else get the
> >   impression that this whole sequence was added after hearing the
> >   suspension/cancellation news?

Yeah, that's the feeling I got too -- though I heard about the 
cancellation on Tuesday morning, long after the show. I can't make any 
sense out of Josie's death, and it just seems too random for BOB. I also 
find it hard to believe that they'd make such a big thing of Eckhart's 
coming to town, only to kill him off so easily.

In other words, this thing sounds a lot like the EuroVersion mess. 
Fortunately, if the show is reborn (at least for the six episodes, or at 
the very least a tie-up movie), TP is one of the few shows on which they 
might be able to roll back the last ten minutes of the show and make it 
not have happened.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Who is Helen Mirren?

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:

> > Hell, I knew TP was doomed the minute they put in on the Saturday night
> > schedule. They always do this to shows they want to dump but haven't the
> > proper excuse for doing so.

I know this is a real compulsive nutcase kinda question, but this is 
probably the best place to find a corresponding compulsive nutcase: 

Has anyone compiled a list of major network Saturday 10 PM EST shows 
over, say, the past 30 years? It might be interesting to see what they 
have stuck there.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

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RE: Pete Martin's memo on Truman.  I agree totally.

If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.
(Except for the "one-armed man", so this deserves some thought.)

When Bob appeared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josie
and Truman."  The reason is, is that BOB has taken Truman as his
HOSTand cast Josie into the wooden drawpull.

After all, Leland DID die at the sheriff's office jail and
Truman was one of the few people around for Bob to jump to for a
HOST.

The dwarf dances when he thins he has Cooper over a barrel.  It
danced when it had him totally confused about the dream and now
it dances because Coop knows that he has one helluva problem
with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.

Trust me...this makes sense.

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RE: Pete Martin's memo on Truman.  I agree totally.

If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.
(Except for the "one-armed man", so this deserves some thought.)

When Bob appeared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josie
and Truman."  The reason is, is that BOB has taken Truman as his
HOSTand cast Josie into the wooden drawpull.

After all, Leland DID die at the sheriff's office jail and
Truman was one of the few people around for Bob to jump to for a
HOST.

The dwarf dances when he thins he has Cooper over a barrel.  It
danced when it had him totally confused about the dream and now
it dances because Coop knows that he has one helluva problem
with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.

Trust me...this makes sense.

eared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josiew
B
=AEsu1z|=~<k Helveticaoop knows that he has one helluva problem
with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.

Trust me...this mak

RE: Pete Martin's memo on Truman.  I agree totally.

If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.
(Except for the "one-armed man", so this deserves some thought.)

When Bob appeared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josie
and Truman."  The reason is, is that BOB has taken Truman as his
HOSTand cast Josie into the wooden drawpull.

After all, Leland DID die at the sheriff's office jail and
Truman was one of the few people around for Bob to jump to for a
HOST.

The dwarf dances when he thins he has Cooper over a barrel.  It
danced when it had him totally confused about the dream and now
it dances because Coop knows that he has one helluva problem
with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.

Trust me...this makes sense.

RE: Pete Martin's memo on Truman.  I agree totally.

If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.
(Except for the "one-armed man", so this deserves some thought.)

When Bob appeared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josie
and Truman."  The reason is, is that BOB has taken Truman as his
HOSTand cast Josie into the wooden drawpull.

After all, Leland DID die at the sheriff's office jail and
Truman was one of the few people around for Bob to jump to for a
HOST.

The dwarf dances when he thins he has Cooper over a barrel.  It
danced when it had him totally confused about the dream and now
it dances because Coop knows that he has one helluva problem
with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.

Trust me...this makes sense.

In a previous article, ap056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Scott Owens) says:


> >
> >RE: Pete Martin's memo on Truman.  I agree totally.
> >
> >If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
> >For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.
> >(Except for the "one-armed man", so this deserves some thought.)
> >
> >When Bob appeared last saturday, Truman AND Josie disappeared.
> >Bob asked "Coop, where is Josie?" ---NOT, "Coop, where is Josie
> >and Truman."  The reason is, is that BOB has taken Truman as his
> >HOSTand cast Josie into the wooden drawpull.
> >
> >After all, Leland DID die at the sheriff's office jail and
> >Truman was one of the few people around for Bob to jump to for a
> >HOST.
> >
> >The dwarf dances when he thins he has Cooper over a barrel.  It
> >danced when it had him totally confused about the dream and now
> >it dances because Coop knows that he has one helluva problem
> >with his Peaks best friend...Harry S. Truman.
> >
> >Trust me...this makes sense.
> >

Wait a minute though...
True, your post makes alot of sense.  But, I had the strong impression that
BOB took an owl as his host, at least at that point in time.  
Therefore, I had always been suspicious of when an owl was around people.
I mean, I remember seeing and hearing an owl when Major Briggs disappeared
in the forest.  Could Major Briggs be BOB's host?
Probably not since the white light is obviously *supposed* to be a reference
for good.  
I also remember an owl around Leo in one episode.  Leo is acting strangely
and by BOB entering Leo, that could explain Leo having the strength to
come out of his vegetable-like state.
I wouldn't bet anything on any of these two theories...it just gives you
people something to toss around.
-- Keith Bitely, a man on a quest to save... | Frankly, I don't ...the unborn | think he has a ...Twin Peaks | chance... ...his sanity | ...you?

In article <1991Feb21.134426.15175@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >'Just thought I'd let you know that the local radio station (Annapolis)
> >is broadcasting Bob Iger's fax number every fifteen minutes this
> >morning, and there's an organization sprouting up in the Washington,
> >D.C. area called Citizens Opposed to the Offing of "Peaks" (COOP). 

Something else we all might want to do is call our local paper and make sure
they know Bob's address and will publish it. My hometown (sortof) paper, the
Atlanta Journal-Constitution, had run an article almost burying TP, without
giving any info on how to save it. So I gave them a call. Take this fight to
an even larger group! Your local TV critic might even help you.....
-- David W. Millians millia@athena.cs.uga.edu All I say is untrue. [He was] a friend, a brother, and a mortal enemy, an unknown demon, two worlds together- a tiger and a child. (Thomas Wolfe)

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) /  4:59 pm  Feb 20, 1991 /

> > *Think*, John.  Not everyone has a VCR.  I don't, and many of my
> > friends don't.  I wouldn't mind having one, but what little disposable
> > income I have goes to other things--I feel lucky just to have my
> > little black and white TV.  Not everyone can timeshift, mute
> > commercials with their handy remote and freeze-frame a show to death.
> > Some of us just *watch TV*, just like back in the stone ages before
> > all you yuppie gadget-freaks existed.  :)

Is that the TV you watched the 1/26 episode on?

We had a TP-day ("Day in the life of BOB") on the day that TP 2007 was
broadcast. We had the benefit of an Akai video with NICAM Digital Stereo
and Dolby Surround Sound decoders - quite an experience.

Richard.

Here in the UK we're still on the second season. TP 2008 is broadcast next
Tuesday. There in the US they've "just" seen TP 2016.

Richard.

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Chad Zahrt) /  5:51 pm  Feb 20, 1991 /

>> >> However, there would have to be a certain level of
>> >> commitment from the network to show the entire series.

> > I agree with this wholeheartedly....don't they do this in Britain?  I seem
> > to remember someone telling me that they do...

To paraphrase another UK TP viewer, I can't remember a series ever being taken
off the air "mid-season". Even poor series, like the first series of "Black
Adder", are often given a second chance.

Richard.

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele) / 12:30 pm  Feb 20, 1991 /
> > I gather the BBC ratings for Twin Peaks are looking good.  What's to
> > stop *them* commissioning more episodes?

Money. They probably pay peanuts for TP.

Richard.

"chmod +UKw tp"

Since I haven't seen anybody else mention this yet (and I'm not saying nobody
else *has*, just that I haven't seen it), Kyle McLachlan has what looks like
will be a pretty major part in the movie "The Doors", directed by Oliver
Stone, and due to open next weekend (3/1). He plays the part of Ray Manzarek,
The Doors keyboard player. I've seen some previews on TV, and I've gotta
say it was real cool to see Coop with long hair, granny glasses and a
paisley shirt. At least we've got something to look forward to to get us
through this hiatus.

I don't know quite how we got off onto Shelly, since I just got back
on the net a couple days ago--Hi Barbara!--but I'm fascinated by the
subject of literary references in "Twin Peaks," and wondering, in
particular, if anyone has noticed any pattern in them.

Does anyone out there in a.t.t-p land have a file on this subject--
all the literary ref's (such as the Shakespeare) and quotations?  Or
short that, would people mind sending them to me?  I'd be happy to
summarize to the group.

Thanks, by the way, to those who've sent me kind greetings.  I did
make it safely from Texas to Maryland, and am glad to be back.  Note
my new address below.

--Fiona "I admire Norma" Oceanstar
  fi@grebyn.com

  This is an announcement of the official ^Twin Peaks^ FTP site
  at sal.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.98].  Files are located in the 
  /pub/twin-peaks directory.

  Included in the archive are:
    Annotated timeline for TP episodes broadcast to date
    TP cast to date
    Credits for each episode
    Answers to frequently asked questions
    Compilation of favorite quotes
    Cribsheet to TP resources
    Symbols/motifs in the Twin Peaks Universe
    Transcript of second-season TP press kit
    Ending of European pilot
    The stuff from freebie.engin.umich.edu

  Further information is in the file ^TwinPeaks^.README.
  I would like to hear from anyone else with material to add
  to the archive (mac sounds, etc), as well as any comments
  about the archive.

  -------------------------------------------------------------
    Peter Asenstorfer                     peter@sal.sait.edu.au 
    University of South Australia                               
                                                              
    Pete:  There was a fish... in... the percolator!
    So Pete, was the fish a RED HERRING??
  -------------------------------------------------------------

I've been having lots of fun reading the first issue of the _Twin_
_Peaks_Gazette_ (that's 1-800-626-TWIN, if you're interested):  One
thing I wanted to communicate right away to the illustrious readers and
writers on this newsgroup, is that the _Gazette_ is apparently looking
for copy!  Here's what they say, under the headline "The Newspaper in a
Smiling Bag Welcomes You":

"A newspaper should mirror its community--no matter how abstract, no
matter how troubled--with wit, compassion, and clairvoyance.  To that
end we invite you to consider this paper a forum for your ruminations,
cognitions and general opinions.  Please send any letters, stories,
articles, philosophy, graphics, or insights that you'd like to share
with your neighbors.  Any unusual goings-on you may notice around town
will also be appreciated.  Selected contributions will be published here
in the newspaper in a smiling bag.  Help us overturn those large flat
rocks of unawareness that surround us and be astounded at what comes
writhing out from underneath."

Send contributions to the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_, P.O. Box 1804, Pacific
Palisades, CA 90272.

I seem to have an unusually large quantity of "Twin Peaks" information
flowing in through my telephone today, so I'll be posting again *soon*
with more info on what *WE* (yes, US! those of us at alt.tv.twin-peaks!)
can do to get "Twin Peaks" back on the air as fast as possible.

Keep reading the newsgroup--this will be a clearinghouse for info about
the COOP campaign--and please post any and all info you have about
local activities on behalf of "Twin Peaks."

And by the way, what *do* y'all think of the _Gazette_?

                              --Fiona "Let's speak out!" Oceanstar

> >The old man from the Great Northern ("Senor drool cup") is the previous
> >host for BOB.  He's the man Leland saw as a child.  He managed to
> >escape from BOB by providing him another host (Leland).


I thought the guy was just to senile to know whats going on.  Later was made
(by a friend or other employee) to realize Cooper had been shot, so felt 
compelled to say sorry to be best of his ability.

In article <14740032@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>> >>Notice that ST:TNG is SYNDICATED!  How well do you think it would work on
>> >>ANY of the networks at their current intelligence level?
> >
> >What do you mean?  ST:TNG is usually INCREDIBLY stupid.  I watch it, but
> >it does not require any great, or even slight, intellect.

Let's just say that it doesn't require intellect in order to enjoy it at
some level.  However, there are things in ST:TNG that will go right past
stupid people.

-- Scott Amspoker | Touch the peripheral convex of every Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | kind, then various kinds of blaming (505) 345-5232 | sound can be sent forth. unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott | - Instructions for a little box that | blurts out obscenities.

The Gulf war has reached a turning point. The US seems determined
to achieve a win over Iraq even at the cost of lives.
The US wants its people 100% behind them in a ground war. The do not
want the peace movement to gain any momentum at this time.
 
Twin Peaks is now featuring a showdown between good and evil involving
the military (Major Briggs) and mirrored in a war game, chess, which is
a game that reflects military and political tactics.
 
Sooner or later people will draw parallels between the tv show that
prompts so much discussion and the events in the gulf.
 
The moral hero of Twin Peaks, agent Cooper, is seeking a stalemate in his
conflict on the chess board and in real life. Cooper does not want to kill
or utterly defeat his opponent. Instead, Cooper wants to stop his opponent with 
a minimum of blood shed. Cooper isn't going for a win. He just wants the
war game to stop.
 
Is it possible that the abrupt elimination of this show, featuring this
particular moral philosophy at this particular time could be political?
Could the american network have received orders to pull the show until the
Gulf war is over?
 
_____________________________________________________________________

Did I miss a posting or am I the first to make the connection between Windom's
three angels and the TV series, 'Charlie's Angels"?

-Rich Haller

 I read in the February 21 USA TODAY that Twin Peaks executive producers
 David Lynch and Mark Frost are planning a press conference for today
 (Friday, February 22) to discuss the current status of Twin Peaks.
  Also, composer Angelo Badalamenti supposedly said that sometime next
  week ABC will announce a new time slot for Twin Peaks, a weeknight.
  Has anyone heard anything more about these announcements?
  
Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

Yes, we do have Dunkin Donuts in the UK (in London at least) - and
undergraduates.

Richard.

In article <21347@know.pws.bull.com> ap056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J.
Scott Owens) writes:
> >
> >If you will recall, each time Bob appears, the host disappers..
> >For that matter, anytime any spirit appears, the host disappears.

Here in the UK we have just seen the episode in which Bob is revealed as
Leland. Great episode! One of the best so far! Just a couple of points:

- Did you notice the similarities in style when Bob attacks Maddy, and scenes
Lynch`s Elephant Man?

- I noticed that the Log Lady is seeing the vision of the Giant at the
same time as Cooper - is it possible that she is subject to the same
visions as Cooper?

Now, a couple of questions:

- What ever happened to the mystery surrounding Audrey`s brother?

- What is the significance of the white horse?


One final point regarding the cancellation of TP by ABC. I don`t know as
much as you do, but I assume that the BBC has bought all the programs
from them - if ABC has stopped the filming of the last few episodes,
then they be could be in breach of contract....

Finally - a plea for help!

Has anyone out there (preferably in the UK) got a copy of the music from
Dune on Compact Disc?

Paul R. Grove.
e-mail to:

iru03@uk.ac.keele.seq1  (from UK)

iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk (from anywhere else)

Here's the latest, as of Friday morning West Coast time:

     The remaining six episodes of this season of "Twin Peaks" will be
aired by ABC at some unspecified time.  The last of the six episodes is 
directed by David Lynch, and has two endings.  Which ending is shown will
depend on whether or not ABC renews the show for another season.

     David Lynch and Mark Frost have a new show, "On the Air", which
will begin this fall.  It is a half-hour comedy about the early days
of television.  (A Lynch/Frost sitcom???  Yikes!)  It sounds like
only the pilot has been produced, though.

     Lynch and Frost will hold a press conference later today.

Sources:  LA Times Calendar section, KROQ radio news

-----------------------write your letter to BOB Iger!--------------
Mike Malcom
Increasingly nervous around wooden furniture

jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:


> > I read in the February 21 USA TODAY that Twin Peaks executive producers
> > David Lynch and Mark Frost are planning a press conference for today
> > (Friday, February 22) to discuss the current status of Twin Peaks.
> >  Also, composer Angelo Badalamenti supposedly said that sometime next
> >  week ABC will announce a new time slot for Twin Peaks, a weeknight.
> >  Has anyone heard anything more about these announcements?
> >  
> >Jeff Kouba
> >Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
> >University of Iowa
> >INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

No, but somehow, I think Badalamenti's Grammy may help things....

Perhaps ABC should place it opposite their strongest shows, instead of their
weaker ones.  For instance, showing it at 9 on Tuesday's is an option.  Maybe
rotate every other week with something like 30something.  

It's an idea....


-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

In article <1991Feb22.164143.13759@ns.uoregon.edu>
rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >Did I miss a posting or am I the first to make the connection between Windom's
> >three angels and the TV series, 'Charlie's Angels"?

You missed a posting.  See article <145689@tiger.oxy.edu> by
rooney@oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) for an aside about this.





--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

     *****REPORT ON CITIZENS OPPOSING THE OFFING OF PEAKS*****

Please note: I've been mispelling the name of the organization in
 the headings of my previous postings.

COOP = Citizens OpposING the Offing of Peaks (no quotes around Peaks)


WHO'S IN CHARGE

   Keith Poston, COOP President
   202-342-7247
   The Great Northern
   4532 19th St. North
   Arlington, Va. 22207

   Call/write Keith for starter kits for your local COOP chapter, &
   for a long list of nationally based reporters in the entertain-
   ment field.   "Serious inquiries only," he says, since he's footing
   the bill out of his own pocket.  (I told him all of us at alt.
   tv.twin-peaks are extremely serious. (-: (-:)

   Michael Caputo, COOP Director
   202-289-2834

   Call Mike if you can't get hold of Keith for the above, and also
    call him with any ideas you have for spreading the word.


WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR

COOP just came into being in the past couple of days, the first chapter
starting up here in Washington, D.C.  Poston and Caputo, who are in
close contact with David Lynch, brainstormed the idea, and they have a
local radio station recruited to publicize the group in this area.  Last
night they had the first meeting of the group.  They've designed the
logo, which is the letters "COOP" with donuts for the O's, and last
night they pressed their first four T-shirts.  Two of those T's were for
Keith and Mike, and the other two went immediately to David Lynch and
Mark Frost, who were planning to wear them in a press conference this
morning.  (Did anyone see the broadcast?)  Even as you read this, COOP
is talking to CNN's "Entertainment Tonight," and there should be a
segment of the show devoted to COOP--either tonight or in the near
future.

The reason for all this fancy footwork, says Capruto, is that "networks
are influenced by organized material."  So, in terms of all the calls
and letters and faxes we're sending to ABC, Capruto wants "every single
Peaks fan to sing from the same sheet of music, so that we come together
as a choir, instead of being a lot of isolated shouting voices."  Part
of the plan for doing this is to obtain the official COOP logo and
letterhead from Keith or Mike, so you can copy it a million times and
send all your mailings out with that letterhead.

After consultation with David Lynch, and asking him what *he* wants,
the COOP co-founders have devised the following three-part strategy:

     1)  Bring the show back as soon as possible--like RIGHT NOW.

     2)  Move the show to Wednesday night (that's the night Lynch
          picked).

     3)  If all else fails, move it to another network.


HOW TO FORM A LOCAL CHAPTER

The COOP co-founders want as many chapters as possible to sprout up all
over like weeds--big cities, small towns, hamlets, universities,
convents, prisons, etc.  To form a local COOP chapter, Mike Capruto
says you should do the following:

      1)  Name yourself some officers

           President -- the spokesperson, person who talks to media

           Director -- the workhorse and organizer, person who does
                       lots of faxes and keeps the info flowing

       2)  Call or write the national COOP headquarters (Keith Poston)
           for your logo, letterhead paper, and T-shirts.
           The T-shirts are $10 apiece: COOP "double donut" logo in        
           white, on black background, in one size only (XL).
           They can also send you a long list of reporters from all
           over the nation who work in the entertainment fields--
           good people to contact to publicize your COOP chapter.

       3)  If you live in the listening area of one of the radio           
           stations listed below, call the contact person and tell
           them about your chapter, making your President available
           for interviews, etc.

       4)  If you have another station to propose for Mike's list,
           either call them directly to test out the idea, or call
           Mike for advice.  He suggests that each area have just
           one official COOP station--which should be the one
           most likely to have Peaks fans as listeners--e.g., the one
           that plays Cruise and Badalamenti music.  College stations
           are a good choice in university towns, for example.

       5)  Throw a fax-writing party.  Get the word out to ABC and
           everyone else who needs to hear it.  Have meetings, etc.
           Call local TV and newspaper reporters, and invite them
           to your party.  Whatever else you can think of!

       6)  And (I don't need to tell y'all this one) post the info on
           your chapter (with local distribution) to the net.


RADIO STATIONS ALREADY ENLISTED

In addition to WHFS, a second station is spearheading the only other
official chapter so far, in New York City.  Here are the numbers and
contact people, if you want to call/write/fax and tell these stations
that you're excited about COOP (or whatever):

     WHFS (Baltimore/Washington area)      Bob Young
                                           8201 Corporate Dr.
                                           Suite 550
                                           Landover, MD 20785
                                           800-321-WHFS (voice)

     WDRE (New York City)                  Tom Calderone
                                           516-832-9400 (voice)


RADIO STATIONS TO CALL/FAX AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO JOIN COOP

Mike Capruto tells me he's contacted 7 other stations nationwide, on the
principle that the DJ's of "progressive" stations will be interested in,
and effective at, getting out the news about COOP.  The following list
is the people at these stations to call/fax and tell them that you want
to see them become the local info center for COOP.  (They haven't
decided if they're going to do it, yet, so your calls and faxes will
make a difference--write to all of them, but if you're in their
listening area, tell them so.)

     KBCO (Boulder, CO)                    Dennis Constantine
                                           303-444-5600 (voice)
                                           303-449-0357 (fax)
     
     KROQ (Los Angeles, CA)                Andy Schuon
                                           818-953-7667 (voice)
                                           818-841-5903 (fax)

     XTRA (San Diego, CA)                  Kevin Stapleford
                                           619-291-9191 (voice)
                                           619-294-2916 (fax)

     KITS (San Francisco, CA)              Richard Sands
                                           415-626-1053 (voice)
                                           415-552-3146 (fax)

     KTCZ (Minneapolis, MN)                Lin Brehmer
                                           612-339-0000 (voice)
                                           612-333-2997 (fax)

     WFNX (Boston, MA)                     "Mad Max"
                                           617-595-6200 (voice)
                                           617-595-3810 (fax)

     WXRT (Chicago, IL)                    Norm Weiner
                                           312-777-1700 (voice)
                                           312-777-5031 (fax)
     

FINAL THOUGHTS

Whew!  That's a lot of info.  Please be sure to post corrections if any
of these numbers are wrong.  Either post to the group, or write to me,
any other info you may have.  I'm serving as "liaison" between
alt.tv.twin-peaks and the Washington/Baltimore COOP chapter--whatever
that means.  :-)  (How did I get *into* this, anyway?  It all seemed to
happen so fast this morning.)

Fax Bob Iger.  Fax those radio stations.  Call right away for your
COOP letterhead and do all your faxes with the logo on top of the page.
Form your own chapter and become a local heroine/hero.  :-) :-)

                              
                                             --Fiona Oceanstar
                                               fi@grebyn.com

> > In article <1991Feb19.192022.26322@nntp-server.caltech.edu> coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:
>> >>In article <RGB.91Feb19132026@bigsleep.engin.umich.edu>rgb@engin.umich.edu (Rod G. Bogart) writes:
>>> >>>Although some net-folks have called the drawer-knob scene "stretched
>>> >>>latex", it was definitely computer graphics animation.  Anyone know
>>> >>>what company did the effects?
>> >>
>> >>In the credits, a person named RAUL FERNANDEZ was credited with
>> >>the animation. Anybody know who he is?


I don't know about Raul F., but the animation certainly looked like
  it was done with a system called Wavefront.

I read that thirtysomething is disappearing for a while.  I'll bet we
see TP resurrected on Tuesday at 10:00pm.

In article <3L1qX2w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >Yeah, that's the feeling I got too -- though I heard about the 
> >cancellation on Tuesday morning, long after the show. I can't make any 
> >sense out of Josie's death, and it just seems too random for BOB. I also 
> >find it hard to believe that they'd make such a big thing of Eckhart's 
> >coming to town, only to kill him off so easily.

Last year someone posted that ABC asked Lynch and co. to not drag out the 
story lines so much.  This seems to have happened.  The James/Evelyn thread 
only lasted about 3 episodes (it seems longer because of the holidays hiatus).  
The Denise/investigation-of-Coop thread was rather short too.  Eckhart
probably could have gone 1 more week but it doesn't seem strange that they
ended it when they did.

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In article <27C55C14.FCB@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> malcom@ridley.coyote.trw.com (Michael Malcom) writes:
> >     David Lynch and Mark Frost have a new show, "On the Air", which
> >will begin this fall.  It is a half-hour comedy about the early days
> >of television.  

I hope it's better then Nick-at-Nite's "The Golden Years" (The Early Years?)
- a promising comedy series about the early days of television that turned
out to be a truly awful 30 minutes.

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I need a tape of episode 2005 (10/27/90), the one where Audrey is rescued from
One Eyed Jacks.  I would prefer a copy of an SP tape to reduce generation loss,
but will accept others.  I can offer in return a copy of any other TP episode.
Most of these are in SLP. I also have tapes of Black Adder and Max Headroom if
you prefer. E-mail to rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu, please.
-Rich Haller

My two cents on the Truman/BOB thing...

While I'm not sure I agree with the idea, I realized something last night which
you might want to chew on:

Note that BOB asked, "Coop? What...".  Not "Cooper", not "Dale", not anything
else--"Coop".  Now, I can only think of three people on TP who call Cooper 
"Coop":  Gordon, Albert (on occasion), and Truman.

Just a thought.

Tim Lynch (Cornell's first Astronomy B.A.; one of many Caltech grad students)
BITNET:  tlynch@citjuliet
INTERNET:  tlynch@juliet.caltech.edu
UUCP:  ...!ucbvax!tlynch%juliet.caltech.edu@hamlet.caltech.edu
"You'll have to excuse me...the chef just tried to stab Jerry."

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but when I contact the ftp
site mentioned by our Aussie friend (130.220.16.98) to get the
TP files, I can't log on.  I've tried anonymous, guest, friend,
and user in various combo's.  Can anyone help?  

--Fiona O.

Well, I've sent a letter.

Wrt Leostein:  It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!  I wonder if Leo
will lose his head someday??  <<pop>>


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

Metzger writes:
> > Kimmy Robertson makes an appearance on Roger McGuinns latest
> > cd "Back From Rio" <which is a fantastic album and I recommend
> > it to all u byrds fans out there!!>

I don't know.  I'm a *B*I*G* Byrds fan and I only like 2 or 3 tracks
from Back From Rio, not including the one with KR. 


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

lzs@indetech.com (Lynn Z. Schneider x2077) writes:

> > I suggest that if ABC doesn't bring back Twin Peaks within a reasonable perio
> > of time, we try some sort of boycott of ABC.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?

Yeah: If we didn't have sufficient impact on the Neilsens to cause ABC to 
keep the show, our absence won't have enough impact to make them lose any 
sleep.

To paraphrase Ford Prefect: "Do you know how much damage you would do to 
this steamroller if it ran over you? Absolutely none!"

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

barich@brahms.udel.edu (Dewey H Barich) writes:

> > Could it be that the LMFAP does not represent Leland, but BOB's
> > vehicle??   That would explain his presence, even though Leland   
> > is dead.  ( _Assuming_ that Leland is in fact completely out of 
> > the picture)

My guess is that if the dwarf is a real character, and not part of a 
dream, and requires a human host, that host is Cooper himself. No real 
reasoning on this, just a gut reaction.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

If I tape a show...I *MUST* watch every ad...every bloody one, anxiously
listening and watching (virtually absorbing that trash) so as not to miss
a single utterance or visual frame...you can bet that if I go to the kitchen,
I return ASAP to watch yet another ad.

I dare say, tapers are the most attentive commercial watchers, eh?
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cmilono@netcom.COM (Carlo Milono) writes:

> > ABC's MORAL: TP may not be a best-seller, but it makes ABC seem like a
> > sorta-alright broadcasting company, one that can take chances in innovative
> > programming, and one that I might be interested in tuning into.

Another aspect: I tend to watch the ABC shows (such as Gabriel's Fire) on 
which there is a good chance that a TP promo will appear -- and, of 
course, that means I keep a keen ear on the commercials because the TP 
stuff shoots by quickly.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

OK. OK.  I didn't say it was a flawless theory, but it does deserve 
some thought.  While Leland did act weird alot of the time and Truman
seems normal, I think we must think back alittle further in the show.

Leland did not always act weird.  In the beginning, I recall him acting
fairly normal.  So much so, that I don't remember him starting off as
an obvious central character.  He seemed like a normal dad who lost
his daughter...until his hair turned white!  From that point, Leland 
moved central to the show and it became obvious that something was up.

Maybe we should see if Truman's hair turns white after he kills the one
he loves most...

-------

Personnally, I think that this save the peaks thing with ABC is a waste.
NBC listened to viewers with Star Trek and CBS has listened to viewers
with Designing Women and Cagney/Lacey...BUT ABC has ABSOLUTELY NO history
in listening to viewers on any kind of quest like this.

I think we would spend our time much more wisely by courting another network
to pick up the show...most probably FOX.  Whereas any of the Big Three have a 
risk to be considered with the low ratings, FOX is accustomed to low ratings
and would do a much better job marketing the show to the niche audiance.  FOX
seems to specialize in shows for niche audiances.

...

Personnally, I think that this save the peaks thing with ABC is a waste.
NBC listened to viewers with Star Trek and CBS has listened to viewers
with Designing Women and Cagney/Lacey...BUT ABC has ABSOLUTELY NO history
in listening to viewers on any kind of quest like this.

I think we would spend our time much more wisely by courting another network
to pick up the show...most probably FOX.  Whereas any of the Big Three have a
risk to be considered with the low ratings, FOX is accustomed to low ratings
and would do a much better job marketing the show to the niche audiance.  FOX
seems to specialize in shows for niche audiances.

...