Season 2, Episode 16: The Condemned Woman — February 16–March 27, 1991

In article <1991Feb18.232145.745@ecl.psu.edu>, adm@ecl.psu.edu writes...

} Add my vote to the David-Warner-was-wasted-miserably crowd.

What I would like to know is:

Why are so many people quick to assume that Eckhardt is dead?  His wound
certainly didn't look any worse than Cooper's when Josie shot *him*.

-- "Have you ever made love to a revolutionary?" "No, but I once necked with a Stevenson Democrat." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <91049.085108LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA>, LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA writes...

} Writing MIGHT help, it has in the past with CAGNEY AND LACEY, DESIGNING
} WOMEN, etc. recently [...]

In in one case, it was a great disservice. The last (half-)season of
REMINGTON STEELE was a decayed corpse stalking around like a zombie.

I, for one, am *not* going to be writing ABC -- or anyone else -- about
saving TWIN PEAKS, as much as I enjoy the show. It had a good run, longer
than some other worthy shows, but I think it's unhealthy for any show to
go on at length. Plots get stale, characters get stale. Camelot must
eventually fall.

I *would* like to see those last six episodes, but beyond that, let it rest.

-- "Have you ever made love to a revolutionary?" "No, but I once necked with a Stevenson Democrat." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

It's painful for me to tell this because in doing so I'm forced to 
admit that I watch Dallas.

    BTW, I don't really watch it...my husband does.  But anyway...

The Feb. 15th episode had a scene where a main character was
making polite chit chat with a somewhat strange individual in 
a bar.  The strange individual was a television writer want-to-be
or something and he was babbling about trying to sell an idea
for an avant-garde series featuring jelly donuts and dancing
dwarfs.  The main character kept saying "What?".

I find it amazing that a series that creeps up in obscure scenes
of another network's show is being cancelled.  I haven't written
my letter yet, but I will.  Right now, I'm too angry to be 
polite, rational or effective.

Connie

In article <1991Feb17.222936.2834@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
   In article <1991Feb17.154615.8001@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
   ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

   > (4) Will Shelley recognize Leo's handwriting?

   Are we sure Leo finished writting that note.  His handwritting was very
   shaky, more so that I remember the note looking when A/D/S read it.

Yes, but remember that Earle came over and told him to erase the shaky
handwriting.  Indeed, I just had a thought:  Albert could probably
examine the note and find the erased characters, although I don't know
what good that would do.

Muffy

Alan J. Snyder gives some excellent suggestions re. writing to ABC,
to which I want to add the following:

If possible print your letter on letterhead paper, and in a dry,
matter-of-fact tone, tell ABC that you make lots of money (name
a figure) and that you're the kind of viewer who likes to spend
your money on the fine things of life (fancy cars, whatever).
Also, that you watch very attentively, glued to your set.

In other words: give ABC some letters to show to the sponsors
of the show.

--Fiona Oceanstar

In article <1991Feb18.232145.745@ecl.psu.edu> adm@ecl.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >        Anyway, I was puzzled by the appearance of the LMFAP at the end of the
> >last(!) show.  As I recall, Cooper basically told us that he represented
> >Leland.

Yes, but when Coop has that final conversation with MIKE, they
say that MIKE was in his dream (as the MFAP).

His appearance could then be explained as a sign that the good
spirits have not abandoned Coop (since BOB hasn't).

-Matt Brockman

I saw a promo spot which featured the late Dougie's inamorata in
the same role for Doogie Howzer. The possibilities are endless.
TP characters proliferating like PODS through other shows...Lynch
showing up as an undertaker for Peter Horton in 30something;
BOB as date for Carla on Cheers; Nadine on Hollywood Squares --

WOWZERS...

Don't think of "Twin Peaks" as dead...think instead of the
transmigration of souls.

-- He: 10, tenor and tubby: What y'all gonna do with them babies? [A pail of St Simons crabs]. She: 16 (?),mezzo, mildly mocking, in Ray-Bans, languid in a deck chair: Ahm gonna put them babies into a MILKSHAKE!

   GREAT IDEA!

In article <1991Feb17.230741.27525@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >
> > 1) The deaths of two pivotal characters promise to leave many unanswered
> >    questions, not the least of which is why Josie shot Coop (her explanation
> >    was idiotic).

I only thought it was idiotic until BOB appeared.  If Josie was posessed by
something at the time (not necessarily BOB, unless he moves around a lot)
the thing posessing her might have been able to foresee Coop's discovery of
Leland's posession and it might have wanted to prevent it.  (Please don't
anyone ask me why it didn't foresee it failing, though.)

--
~  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

As a REALLY new TP fan (I watched 24 hours, from episode 1 to present,
in 6 days, and am now caught up), I am not happy about the impending
doom of the show.  Here is a suggestion I haven't seen posted:

   Write the sponsors!

When people want a show cancelled, they are good at writing sponsors,
threatening to boycott the products.  LET'S TRY THE REVERSE!  Write the
sponsors and THANK them for having the guts to advertise on a show that
is a cut above the rest of the drek on TV.  While you're at it, tell
them about yourself (age, marital status, occupation, income level), so
they get some good demographic info.  Ask them to exert whatever influence
they have with ABC to keep TP on.  Tell them you will buy their products
over the competition's.

Here is a list of products (or companies) advertised on the 2/16 show. 
Sorry I don't have addresses, but this is a resourceful group, right?

   MCI
   Sprint
   Lipton      (No relation to Peggy)
   Corectol
   Clorox
   Massengil   (OK, guys don't have to write to this one)
   L'oreal     (ditto)
   Ragu
   Tide
   Sealy
   Mazda
   Burger King

---------------------
Next week:  Star Trek downlink is a rerun
            The Empire Strikes Back replaces Dark Shadows
            No Twin Peaks
     <<<<< ------- ARRGGGHHH!!! ------- >>>>>

Brian Wood
Loveland, CO

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In article <59940023@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard
Hancock) says:
> >
> >I'd be interested to compare UK and US viewing figures for Twin Peaks.
> >
> >The January 22nd episode (TP 2003, repeated on January 26th) attracted an
> >audience of 3.91m. This made it the 7th most popular programme on BBC2. The
> >most popular programme on any of the four terrestrial channels was EastEnders
> >(a soap about working class life in the East End of London) with an audience
> >of 19.39m.

One should beware of these figures since they sum the audience figures for all
the times the broadcast was shown in one week.

For example, TP is shown twice in the UK (a good idea) as is Eastender's
and most of the other big soaps.

Caveat viewor

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Last friday here in Norway, the NRK (the norwegian broadcasting) sent an 
episode of TP that I believe you americans saw in november.
It was the episode where we found out that Leland are Lauras killer.

Was that episode a re-run over in US, or are we norwegains only a few 
episodes away from where you (americans) are ???

How many episodes are there ??

Do they still make new episodes ????



Stig Ove Johnsen

###################################
stigove@solan.unit.no

I am looking for a videotape of the Feb. 2nd episode -- that's the
"non-imaginary" episode, where, I believe, David Warner was first seen.

If you're willing to send me this tape I will gladly pay postage both
ways (since I know any volunteer would want his/her tape back) as well
as provide some other gratuity (like some new, blank tapes?).

Anxiously awaiting your response,

Marc Rossner
jahangir!marc@uunet.uu.net

[19feb91] Here are three lists: 

  - (S) the addresses of ABC, the Twin Peaks production company, and others
    to whom you can write in an effort to save TP from cancellation

  - (L) the names and net addresses of those who maintain and publish to
    alt.tv.twin-peaks various compilations and lists of TP factoids,
    useful to the truly obsessed

  - (R) a guide to other TP goodies, available outside this newsgroup, the
    existence of which has been posted here

Changes and new listings are marked by #. Please send me any corrections
or additions.

Still looking for an anonymous FTP site for the lot.

-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com
My convictions are not for public display.

#==================
#Save TP Resources
#==================

#The following addresses, phone numbers, and other resources will prove useful
#to those who want to write letters or otherwise express their opinions on
#the "hiatus" / impending cancellation of TP.

#NOTE: I have no opinion on whether a calm, rational letter works better than
#an angry, threatening letter. I have no opinion on whether or not you should
#write to the Fox Network. Let everyone follow his/her own conscience.

#S1. Address of ABC President in charge of TP --
#    Robert Iger - Entertainment President
#    2040 Avenue of the Stars
#    Century City, CA 90067

#S2. Address of TP production company --
#    "Twin Peaks," Lynch-Frost Productions
#    World Vision, 7700 Balboa Blvd., Van Nuys, CA 91406

#S3. ABC Phone numbers for programming comments --
#    New York    - (212) 456-7477  (Network Programming)
#    Los Angeles - (213) 557-7777  (General Information)

#S4. Address of Billboard Magazine save-TP effort --
#    Billboard Magazine, 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036
#    Attention: S. Ojakli, Promotion & Publicity Director
#    (America Online userid: Egg99)
#    ("My magazine group covers the entertainment industry so I can take care
#     of person to person delivery without any screening process.")

#S5. Address of Fox Network --
#    FOX, P.O. Box 900,  Beverly Hills, CA  90213
#    213-203-3377

======================
Lists and Compilations
======================

The following lists are updated periodically and reposted to alt.tv.twin-peaks
by their owners.

L1. Annotated timeline for TP episodes broadcast to date --
    Edwin Nomura, enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
    (120 K)

L2. TP cast to date --
    David Ernest Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu 
#    (10 K)

L3. Credits for each episode --
    David Ernest Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu 
    ( > 82 K)

L4. Answers to frequently asked questions --
    Janet M. Swisher, swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu
    (10 K)

L5. Compilation of favorite quotes --
#    Charles D. Kincaid, statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu 
#    (Final Rob Jellinghaus <robertj@Autodesk.com> edition published 2/14/91.)
    (37 K)

L6. Cribsheet to TP resources --
    Keith Dawson, dawson@epps.kodak.com
    (4.4 K)

L7. Symbols/motifs in the Twin Peaks Universe --
    Jeffrey Koga, 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
    (2.4 K)

==================
Other TP Resources
==================

The following goodies were either announced at least once on alt.tv.twin-peaks
by the given poster, or sent to me for inclusion in this list.

R1. FTP site for GIF (picture) files sounds in Hypercard stack --
    (from 11/10, 11/17 episodes)
    freebie.engin.umich.edu (141.212.68.23); directory: /pub/twin-peaks 
    Posted by John Derek Demaree, demaree@caen.engin.umich.edu 

R2. Catalog of TP goodies (books, tee shirts, cassettes, etc.) --
    Twin Peaks Press, Box 129, Vancouver, WA  98666; (800) 637-2256
    (send $1.00)
    Posted by Kay Stanley, kstanley@rhumba.acs.unc.edu

R3. Mac disk filled with TP sounds --
    Doug Dulmage, ddulmage@cdp.uucp 
    (contact by email; send a blank disk)

R4. Postcard from Twin Peaks (actually Snoquamalie) --
    Laurie Kleiner, 815 35th Avenue, Seattle, WA  98122-5205
    (send a postcard of your hometown)

R5. ~10 MB of MacRecorder TP sounds (through #2013, 1/19) --
    <anonymous>, bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu
    (contact by email; send lots of blank disks and return postage)

#R6. Twin Peaks Gazette --
#    P.O. Box 1804, Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
#    800-626-TWIN

#R7. Full text of Jan. 26 hoax threads
#    Edward Vielmetti, emv@msen.com (emv@ox.com)
#    (send email request)

#R8. Transcript of second-season TP press kit --
#    Dave Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu
--
Keith Dawson       <dawson@epps.kodak.com>
My convictions are not for public display.

In article <1991Feb18.211023.16060@engin.umich.edu>, ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes:
|> getting the actors' autographs at conventions and so forth. I belong to a 
|> computer network newsgroup (a sort of international electronic bulletin board) 
|> dedicated to {\sl Twin Peaks}, and the postings to this newsgroup indicate a 

Don't mention USENET, or any other  electronic (or physical for that matter) organiziation.
Letters will have more clout of the execs think they are spontaneous.  Any signs of an
overtly organzied thing will cause them to discount your efforts.

Make it seem like you're all acting independantly, and the result will carry more weight.

In article <XHmiX2w163w@toyshop.lonestar.org> fen@toyshop.lonestar.org (Gervase Fen) writes:
> >
> >2)  Again, due to my oblivion during the first season, I have no concept as
> >    to how much of an evil little person Josey is/was (questions about
> >    that, too, in a minute).  It seems to me that Harry was a little stupid
> >    about the whole thing, or MASSIVELY in love with this traitor... 
> >

It seems that Josie had little chance to be good in her life since her
family sold her into prostitution when she was a child. Ekhart saved her
from the streets but only to place her into another kind of bondage. 
It may be that Harry sees potential in Josie. Or then again, if you are
deeply cynical and suspicious, you might wonder if there is something corrupted
in Truman that resonates to Josie. Probably not. Truman seems relentlessly good.


> >3)  Reiterating Bob's question (and I played it back several times to make
> >    sure I heard it properly), "What happened to Josey?"  As I understand
> >    it, and as seems to be the general consensus on the group, Bob is not
> >    incarnate in anyone at this point.  How has he managed to remove Josey
> >    from the realm of reality and put her in his own private hell?  I'm
> >    convinced that he did "steal" Josey from the world of Twin Peaks.  As
> >    she collapses on the bed, you can hear Bob laughing in the background.
> >    At first I thought it was the wind or something, not knowing what to
> >    expect (should we ever know what to expect from this show?), but after
> >    Bob made his appearance, I played it back, and sure enough, it's Bob

 
Bob was practicing his skills on Laura Palmer and he seemed to be
getting stronger and stronger. Perhaps now he is able to influence the
material world without using a host. Perhaps in some way Josie had made
herself vulnerable by her wicked life or perhaps all souls are vulnerable
to Bob at the moment of death. Bob killed Leland by inflicting blows to his
head but perhaps Bob has other skills. He said that he was going to "pull
the ripcord" on Leland. Ripcord reminds me of the silver cord that occultists
say ties a wondering soul to the body or to the spirit world. Perhaps
Bob has the power to pull that cord on certain people.
 
a.h.

> > bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
  >> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)

> >         Did anyone else get the
> >         impression that this whole sequence was added after hearing the
> >         suspension/cancellation news?

  >> Could be.  When the soap opera "The Edge Of Night" ended a few (?) years
  >> ago, the final few minutes were pretty odd.  As I remember, someone noticed
  >> a criminal that everyone had thought left town walking down a street called
  >> Wonderland Lane.

Remember Crime Story? It too was cut short, late in its first season I believe
it was. The producers must have had some advance warning. The venue had migra-
ted from Chicago to Las Vegas, and in the final show the bad guys went to hide
out in a shack in the desert after a shootout. Guess where? Ground zero for a
nuclear test. The finale was, shall we say, unusually satisfying. Not to be
compared with the moral completeness of "Manon of the Spring," but close.

The producers had a whole 'nother problem when Crime Story was renewed. (Nothing
that the makers of Flash Gorden hadn't faced week after week, decades before...)

Keith Dawson       <dawson@epps.kodak.com>
My convictions are not for public display.

Hank/Mulkey also appears in _The Hidden_ (starring Kyle MacLachlan, and 
one of my very favorite movies ever)--no lines, but he gets to drive 
around in a really slick (stolen) Ferrari before getting shot about 85 
times.....seems like a pretty typical thing to happen to him.  Oh yeah, 
he's also in a film called _Patti Rocks_, which I haven't seen, but seems 
to be about variously unsatisfying relationships or some such.

David Warner fans note that he will be appearing in a TV production of 
_Uncle Vanya_ this week on PBS, I believe in the Great Performances 
series--it's on Friday here in Boston, at any rate.

MVB
"Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders what the 
part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of"--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Homey don't play dat.

Although some net-folks have called the drawer-knob scene "stretched
latex", it was definitely computer graphics animation.  Anyone know
what company did the effects?

RGB

I'm seeking permission from *everyone here who has expressed an
opinion regarding TP's cancellation* to forward hardcopy of your
postings to Bob Iger, President of ABC...  I want to do this
today, so PLEASE REPLY ASAP.

Only those who give me explicit permission will be included in this
"protest packet".  I'll be posting the text of my own message to Mr.
Iger later today;  rest assured it is not in any way inflammatory.



Thanks in advance,


--
---- jbone@Sun.COM --------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Bone ----
                                                                   --

In article <30387@mimsy.umd.edu> gasarch@dontcare.cs.umd.edu (William Ian Gasarch) writes:
> >
> >1) Fishheads- Barnes and Barnes.
> >(A GOOD song, but overated.  I don't quite understand why it
> >is AS popular as it is.)

I just read (in Marvel's "Star Trek" comics lettercol, if you can believe
it!) that Miguel Ferrer, who was playing in "Twin Peaks" before ABC turned
stupid, was a member of Barnes and Barnes.  Can anybody confirm or deny?

It DOES bring up some interesting possibilities:

Pete Martell: "Fellows... Don't drink that coffee!  I don't know how it
happened, but there was a FISH in the PERCOLATOR!"

*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

I heard on NPR this morning that last Saturday's episode of TWIN PEAKS
was the last episode!!! Has anyone else heard this viscious rumor? How
can then end it NOW?

Hello Lynch Mob,

Here is the first posting of 'Twin Quotes', the second chapter of
the Twin Peaks Quote list.  I hope it meets with your approval.  I decided 
to be terse at first and add later.  Any comments or criticisms are 
_greatly_ appreciated (no flames, please.  see Webster's under volunteer  :-).
 
There are a few more really good ones from 3003 and 3004 that I 
haven't had a chance to confirm the exact wording.  I will include these soon.
Looking back at the list it seems that many of these have to do with sex.  
I don't think it's just me.  :-)

Please send feedback to (NeXTMail)  statman@sole.stat.ufl.edu.  Thanks.

charles d. kincaid


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Albert:    Coop, about the uniform.
Cooper:    Yes, Albert?
Albert:    Usually, exchanging the quiet elegance of the dark suit and tie 
           for the casual indifference of these muted earthtones is a form
           of fashion suicide.  But, call me crazy, on you it works.

Judy Swain:   An orphan, you know.
Andy:         Really?  What happened?  Did his parents die?

Irene:     Of all the people in the world, the best and the worst are 
           drawn to a dead dog.  Most turn away.  Only the pure of heart
           can feel its pain.  And somewhere in between the rest of us
           struggle.

Audrey:    They have women agents?
Denise:    More or less.
                               
Denise:    I may be wearing a dress, but I still pull my panties on one leg
           at a time, if you know what I mean.
Cooper:    Not really.

Dwayne:    She killed him with SEX.

Dick:      Oh she doth teach the torches to burn bright  (Andy sighs)
           It seems she hangs against the cheek of night
+ Doc:     Like a rich jewel in an ethiope's ear
           Beauty too rich for youth, for earth too dear.

Cooper:    Harry, Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond.  It's cold and
           hard and brilliant.

Dr Jacoby: What he needs right now is both your understanding and a Confederate
           victory.

Doc:       Is she sexually active?
Ed:        Active?  Doc, I wake up every morning feeling like I got hit by a
           timber truck.  

Ben:       You'll have to excuse me the chef just tried to stab Jerry.

Albert:    Get a life, punk.

Dr Jacoby: Now what she does in fact possess is a heightened sexual drive
           and a working knowledge of technique, anatomy and touch that
           few men have ever had the pleasure of experiencing or the 
           skills to match.
Harry:     Is it hot in here?
Cooper &
  Hawk:    Yea.

Pete:      We forgot the weinies, all beef with the skin on `em.

Ben:       I give you the little pine weasel found only in our tri-county
           area.  It is nearly extinct.
Jerry:     They're incredible roasted.

Andy:      Once stimulated the female will respond in such a way that the
           skin around her ...  Oh My God!

State Trooper:   He was hired to fix the Jaguar.  J-a-g-w ... uh, the car.

Shelly (from WE's note):  See the mountains kiss high heaven
  and the waves clasp one another.
  No sister flower would be forgiven
  if it disdained its brother.
  And the sunlight clasped the earth
  and the moonbeams kissed the sea.
  What is our sweet work worth
  if thou kiss not me?

BOB:       COOP, what happened to Josie?!

Since Twin Peaks was apparently cancelled due to bad Nielsen ratings, I
feel compelled to ask if anyone reading this newsgroup actually takes part
in the Nielsen ratings.  I wouldn't be too surprised if the entire
readership didn't even KNOW anyone who took part!  I think that trying to
get an accurate assessment of the show's viewership from what has got to be
a small sample of the entire U.S. population is spectacularly stupid, and
even MORE so for something that's rapidly reaching "cult" status.

And even if the MAJORITY of people don't watch the show, what about the
HUGE numbers of us who do?  This is a big country, you know.  A small
percentage translates into a large number of people.

Also, does anyone feel like sending a bunch of articles from this group to
ABC to let them know that there's an audience out here?  If you would just
shovel them onto an MS-DOS disk, thereby avoiding paying the Postal
Disservice huge amounts of money, I wonder if they could figure out how to
read it?

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

In article <RGB.91Feb19132026@bigsleep.engin.umich.edu>rgb@engin.umich.edu (Rod G. Bogart) writes:
> >Although some net-folks have called the drawer-knob scene "stretched
> >latex", it was definitely computer graphics animation.  Anyone know
> >what company did the effects?

In the credits, a person named RAUL FERNANDEZ was credited with
the animation. Anybody know who he is?

-- David E. Coufal coufal@owl.caltech.edu SAVE TWIN PEAKS write: Robert Iger, President of ABC Entertainment 2040 Avenue of the Stars, Century City, CA 90067

Please say it isn't over.  I don't see how they can end the DAMN show when they
 introduce more plots into the show.  Oh yeah and wasn't the ending cool.
                                                                           Some
one please let me know Someone please let me know what is going on... was that
the last show forever or are they going to bring it back.  I think that we shou
ld start a letter writing campaign to get PEAKS back on the air where it belong
s.  It worked when they took moonlighting off the air why not for PEAKS.  Let m
e know what you think.
                                                                    ks



   bill schaefer
                 was104 at psuvm


                                PS Keep the faith!!!!!!!!

When I saw the LMFAP I immediately thought of the expression "dancing on his/her
grave".  Now that Audrey's retired from dancing in the Double R, I figure the
LMFAP is the only resident dancer left.

Maybe someone should suggest to ABC that Dunkin Donuts could profit from
Twin Peaks Advertising.  My group of 8-12 gets a few dozen for every episode.
It was a bit unsettling eating them after Waldo was shot, but otherwise it
adds to the enjoyment.

Jeff Schwartz

In article <jms.2932@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <30387@mimsy.umd.edu> gasarch@dontcare.cs.umd.edu (William Ian Gasarch) writes:
>> >>
>> >>1) Fishheads- Barnes and Barnes.
>> >>(A GOOD song, but overated.  I don't quite understand why it
>> >>is AS popular as it is.)
> >
> >I just read (in Marvel's "Star Trek" comics lettercol, if you can believe
> >it!) that Miguel Ferrer, who was playing in "Twin Peaks" before ABC turned
> >stupid, was a member of Barnes and Barnes.  Can anybody confirm or deny?

After I posted that, I realized an interesting coincidence (?)

Remember when Nicky was suspected of being a homicidal telekinetic?
Someone on the net compared it to the Twilight Zone episode with a kid
named Anthony who would do terrible things to people he didn't like.  Well,
one of Barnes & Barnes' songs ("Cemetary Girls") includes a sample of
sound from that TZ episode!

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

In article <1991Feb19.175132.21257@athena.mit.edu> mvb@eagle.mit.edu (Mary V. Burke) writes:
> >Hank/Mulkey also appears in _The Hidden_ (starring Kyle MacLachlan, and 
> >he's also in a film called _Patti Rocks_, which I haven't seen, but seems 
> >to be about variously unsatisfying relationships or some such.
> >

Actually Patti Rocks is about how life is just one damn thing after 
another and you never know what will happen next. It's quite cheerful,
I think, and non-cliche.  I recommend it.  Mulkey plays a well-meaning
sexist goof, kind of like the hero of Love You to Death.
 
a.h.

In article <1991Feb19.192259.25582@athena.mit.edu> jlschwar@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey L Schwartz) writes:
> >When I saw the LMFAP I immediately thought of the expression "dancing on his/her
> >grave".  Now that Audrey's retired from dancing in the Double R, I figure the
> >LMFAP is the only resident dancer left.
 
Dancing on the grave. That's what I thought too. And then I thought, maybe
the dwarf represents the smallness of the minds and the short sightedness
and petty vison of those responsible for the show's demise. Perhaps he
represents all the little people out there who love Wheel of Fortune dancing
on TP's grave.
 

> >
> >Maybe someone should suggest to ABC that Dunkin Donuts could profit from
> >Twin Peaks Advertising.  My group of 8-12 gets a few dozen for every episode.
> >It was a bit unsettling eating them after Waldo was shot, but otherwise it
> >adds to the enjoyment.
 

There has got to be money in this for someone. And it is true that a whole
group of us buy appropriate junk foods for our TP fests.  
 
ann h.

re #8:  (the poem):  I thought line #3 was "One chance heart between two
worlds" probably referring to LP, possibly the heart necklace that connects
her bizarre world to the normal one that James represents....
--Dori (the vampire-obsessed)

In article <45973@mips.mips.COM> rguion@mips.COM (Richard Guion) writes:
> >The San Francisco ABC affiliate, Channel 7, announced that
> >ABC will be pulling Twin Peaks off the air after tonight's
> >(02/16/91) episode.  They said it was unknown whether or not
> >TP would return.  The only justification given was that TP
> >was 85th or 86th in the ratings, at the very bottom.
> >
> >I want to encourage others to write to ABC if they wish to
> >bring TP back on a regular basis, at least to finish showing
> >this season's episodes and to conclude the storyline.
> >
> >I picked up the address of ABC and Bob Iger (ABC president)
> >to write to off of a previous posting:
> >
> > Address of ABC President in charge of TP --
> >    Robert Iger - Entertainment President
> >    2040 Avenue of the Stars
> >    Century City, CA 90067
> >
> >Anyone with better addresses of people at ABC to write to,
> >please post!
> >-- 
It is very important that we write letters. Hand-written letters make the
most impact, but a neatly typed (hand signed) letter is a good second. It
is also important to stress that Neilson does not know about VCRs, that
many people still watch TP in groups, so only 1 TV is on for 10 - 20 
people, that the TP newsgroup gets approx. 100 messages a day, and that
everywhere you go you meet TP watchers. They need to know that there are
well-paid, 20 - 40 year old yuppies, with money to spend on products watching
this show. Don't delay, write today!!!

Janet

-- ____*_ Janet Christian jchristian@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!jchristian \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2054

A local newspaper, The Toronto Sun, had a column in today's paper that
discussed TP.  Apparently, Ken Welsh - who we now know better as
Windom Earle - stopped by for a quick interview regarding his feature
film that will be released this Friday (sorry, I forgot the name).
In any case, the columnist (sorry, forget her name too) said that TP
has officially been put on indefinite hiatus as of yesterday, and that the
remaining six shows will run, with two still to be taped.  Ken Welsh
made some interesting comments about this show being special since he
gets to work with big name directors who want to do something slightly
unconventional, but that unfortunately the audience doesn't want that,
"they want Roseanne."  He said that David Lynch was slated to direct the
final (22nd) episode, but that, as of this time, he had not been told
whether he should show up for filming.  He enjoys playing Windom Earle
(and psychos, in general) and commented that things are about to get
really good, with Windom "opening up vaults vis a vis parallel
universes."  Windom is pure evil, says Welsh, just like Hannibal
Lecter in "Silence of The Lambs."  

Herb...

In article <91048.012458SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott the Great) writes:
> >1980:  Soap is canned with a wild cliffhanger ending...
> >
> >1982:  The Greatest American Hero is moved to Friday night against Dallas
> >       and is canned after 6 episodes in that timeslot...
> >
> >1987:  After a moderately successful opening run, Max Headroom is moved
> >       to Friday night against Dallas and Miami Vice and also dies after
> >       5 episodes...
>> >>I can't believe it. You just named three of my all-time favorite shows!
>> >>I would also include, however, Police Squad (I don't know if it was
>> >>ABC or not). Remember, the network dolts decided it took too much
>> >>intelligence on the part of the viewer? Anyway, I totally agree.
>> >>ABC definitely means Asininely Bad Choices.
>> >>Rosi


> >
> >1991, Feb 16:  Is anyone really surprised?
> >
> >  I liked all of the aforementioned shows.  In fact, most of the shows I've
> >liked on the networks have come from ABC.  They have also canned them merci-
> >lessly.  Why do they bother?
> >  I ought to add that both Max Headroom and The Greatest American Hero
> >had unaired episodes when they were canned, and both returned briefly when
> >ABC was desperate.  Oddly enough, both were put against Magnum PI when
> >they did, which was another show killer like Dallas.
> >
> >I think ABC has some very creative people on its programming staff, but
> >whoever or whatever is in charge of scheduling is an UTTER MORON...
> >
> >Oh well, they didn't bring Starman back (not that I liked it), and it had
> >a relatively huge following so be sure to be really rude when you write to ABC
> >so you at least manage to offend someone... :-)
> >
> >Here's a possible sample letter....
> >
> >Dear ABC morons,
> >  You suck, BIFF says TWIN PEEKS IZ OSSUM!  Bring it back now or WILL NEVER
> >know what HAPPEND TO JOE-Z!  By the way, the NEXT BOZO who kills off David
> >Warner or gives him a bite PART DIEZ!  He is MY FAVURRIT ACTER!  Why KANT
> >he PLAE WINDUMB?
> >
> >MINE TRULY,
> >WINDOM BIFF
> >
> >
> >Ah well, it was fun while it lasted...  I guess there will be another really
> >neat show in about 3 years.  Until then, I'll have to settle for STTNG
> >and Gulf War updates...
> >
> >Scott Le Grand
ROSIMCG@OAVAX,CSUCHICO.EDU

Are ABC execs as stupid as they appear to be? All this talk about low
ratings and how no one is staying home on Saturday night to watch Twin
Peaks... I don't know about any of you but I *never* watch TP on
Saturday night. I *always* watch it on Sunday afternoon or evening. This
is the miracle of videotape. Hasn't anybody at ABC heard of this
phenomena? Isn't it time the archaic ratings system was scrapped once
and for all? Face it, no one watches shows like TP in real time. Who
wants to watch a bunch of commercials?

Hell, I knew TP was doomed the minute they put in on the Saturday night
schedule. They always do this to shows they want to dump but haven't the
proper excuse for doing so.

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

In article <46013399@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <20331@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
>> >>I, for one, am *not* going to be writing ABC -- or anyone else -- about
>> >>saving TWIN PEAKS, as much as I enjoy the show. It had a good run, longer
>> >>than some other worthy shows, but I think it's unhealthy for any show to
>> >>go on at length. Plots get stale, characters get stale. Camelot must
>> >>eventually fall.
>> >>
>> >>I *would* like to see those last six episodes, but beyond that, let it rest.
> >
> >Oh, heavens, that's unexpectedly pessimistic.
> >
> >
> >However, the show today is far from stale!  It has great promise.  You
> >really have to sit back, disentangle yourself from year-old concerns and
> >expectations, and look at what they've built.  
> >
> > * The ensemble has quietly turned into one of the best in television --
> >each character's personality is sharply etched.
> >
> > * It's a showcase for directors and actors.  Ever notice, when you go
> >to the theatre, how many credits from SPENSER and ST:TNG there are?
> >Those shows virtually specialize(d) in developing young talent.  TWIN
> >PEAKS stands to do the same.  We'll be reaping the benefits for years to
> >come.
> >
> >----------
> >
> >The truth is, folks, that if they take it off, we're NOT going to see
> >anything half as good in its place.  There is no "conservation of
> >quality" rule in TV.  The principals will wander off to work in other
> >media or go back to retirement, and we can settle back to another season
> >of MACGYVER.  Is that really something to wish for?

Count me in the middle. I enjoyed the quirkiness of TP, the whacko distortion
of tv as a genre, and the quintessential Freak Show that was TP, hosted by Head
Freak (and moral center) Agent Cooper.

But the last six episodes have left me cold and wincing by their thinness. We
keep watching, hoping that the visual or writing spark that set TP apart from
the crowd will return. Instead, the dialogue has been rife with flatness,
uninteresting plotlines are given too much attention, and the characters seem
to be thinning. If you think that characters are well developed, think back on
Bobby, who has bounced back and forth from juvenile delinquency, to outright
thuggishness, to skirtchaser, to selfless (Dad comes home from the stars), to
mr. macho "I'm ready for Leo, Shelley" (followed by least two chances and two
successive wiltings in the face of Leostein), to wimpboy again: "from now on,
it's me you suck up to." A bit much, even for a hormaonal highschooler. The
writers/directors have really lost the center of Bobby, James, and even HST.
And I think it shows. Harry pounding the desk last week "Get him out of here.
Get him out of here!" was laughably un-dramatic.

Coop is an original and TP is fun. I like it. The teasers in the end of the
Keaton episode and at the end of the "dead man with chess board in the station"
episode were first rate. But as for the rest of this season, there has been not
much in between those 32 minutes of shining tv. I think the resolution of the
murders and the struggle between Coop and WE will be a lot of fun. I'll be
there. 8 -) But I don't think I want more. Robinson Crusoe was sequeled with
two more "further adventures" by Defoe, and they were flat. We can all think of
scores of sequels that fell well short of the originals, and I don't want to
see TP if it drifts any further into Batman-esque camp.

I'll probably be in line to buy a tape of the "lost episodes of TP" if they
never air (but they *will* in oddball times over the summer), but I feel like
Copper's time in TP should end soon. Boy! has it been a fun ride!

st

If you are interested in encouraging Fox to pick up the show *in the
event that ABC cans it* (this hasn't happened yet), here's the snail
address of the "right guy" to talk to:


Peter Chernin
President, Fox Entertainment Group
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Executive Bldg. 88 Suite 336
Los Angeles, CA. 90035
(213) 203-3377


The person I talked to seemed quite cautious about expressing any
official interest in the show, but did seem extremely excited and
urged me to write and get as many others to write as possible...


SAVE TWIN PEAKS!!!!   Call often, write often.  *BUG* them. ;)



--
---- jbone@Sun.COM --------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Bone ----
                                                                   --


PS --- I'm Fedexing a packet of letters tomorrow to Bob Iger --- 
if you want to be included, either email me *your* letter or a 
"Hey, I posted an article, you can include it" message.  Thanks.

Did I hear someone call the world that James lives in(or, in fact, anyone in 
TP lives in) a normal world? Talk about a blasphemy. Do people's souls
get drawn into furniture in a normal world? If you want to see a normal
world, go watch Yuppiesomething!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jason Bilsky                     ! "Seven schools in seven states
      st883045@pip.cc.brandeis.edu    !  and the only thing different
                                      !  is my locker combination."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

See the mountains kiss high heaven
And the waves clasp one another
No sister flower would be forgiven
If it disdained its brother
And the sunlight clasps the earth
And the moonbeams kiss the sea
What is all this sweet work worth
If thou kiss not me?

In article <288@carssdf.UUCP> usenet@carssdf.UUCP (John Watson) writes:
?Give to universities: A VERY GOOD IDEA.  I recomend CLARKSON, Potsdam NY
?for a couple of hunderd copies.
?
?I would think anyone working in the state of Washington would get VERY
?UPSET at plundering our natural resources for something as trivial as 
?a smeared cover.  

Really! Send them to Twin Peaks! Larry was really writing
code for BOB, not Job! Remember Perl Lakes? Note the TR operator.

?Get these books spread into universities and open some minds.  Maybe in
?the next decade we can stamp out COBOL once and for all.

I keep telling people that COBOL is a BETTER language than FORTRAN.
Why? Because it has BETTER DATA STRUCTURES while the control
constructs are similar. And MOVE CORRESPONDING is an idea I have
not seen in any other language. Choose your targets better.

?John Watson
-- [rbj@uunet 1] stty sane unknown mode: sane

  ABC television Network has placed Twin Peaks on Hiatus until another time slot
opens up for it.  The show's ratings, which had slipped all season, was rated
85 out of 89 shows, including FOX shows.  Twin Peaks has 6 episodes left this 
season including a final battle between The WHITE LODGE and the DARK LODGE, also
Cooper will finally meet up with his partner.  The cliff hanger will make who
killed Laura Palmer look worthless.  If ABC does not renew Twon Peaks, they
have stated they will commision a final 2 hour movie for broadcast in October
of this year.

In article <20331@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >
> >I, for one, am *not* going to be writing ABC -- or anyone else -- about
> >saving TWIN PEAKS, as much as I enjoy the show. It had a good run, longer
> >than some other worthy shows, but I think it's unhealthy for any show to
> >go on at length. Plots get stale, characters get stale. Camelot must
> >eventually fall.
> >
> >I *would* like to see those last six episodes, but beyond that, let it rest.
> >

I agree, but I AM writing to ABC emphasizing those six episodes.  I personally
do not want another season of the program.  But I do want to see what has
already been made.  Twin Peaks could be sustained for several seasons only
if they were all planned out well in advance, worked on for several years,
and filmed by a small set of directors.  Since this is virtually impossible,
I do not want more of Twin Peaks.

Eric C. Johnson
The Second Most Dangerous Man in the Universe
ejohnson@eeyore.caltech.edu
-- I...believe in cholesterol, cigarettes, alcohol, masturbation, carbon monoxide, the Arts Council, nuclear weapons, the _Daily Telegraph_, and not properly labelling fatal poisons. But most of all, above all else, I believe in the one thing which can come out of people's mouths. Vomit.

I'm going to fax this to Mr. Iger as soon as I get his fax#...  I'll
post that too. ;)


This is pretty raw and chopped and otherwise unscientific, oh well.
This comes from the news.lists data... enjoy.  Skip the intro to
USENET stuff --- it's for the uninitiated at ABC. ;) ;)



    TWIN PEAKS INTEREST DATA AS EXPRESSED BY READERSHIP OF A PARTICULAR
    ELECTRONIC NEWS FORUM



Intro to USENET:
----------------

USENET is a worldwide electronic news delivery service.  It is accessible
from countless computers thoughout the government, corporate, and 
educational sectors.  There is general information regarding this
resource below.  In particular, there is one "newsgroup" or interest
group on USENET devoted to discussion of Twin Peaks;  specific stats
relating to this group are provided.

The information below is a subset of data provided by an ongoing USENET
statistical observation conducted as an ongoing project at Digital
Equipment Corporation and provided freely as a service.


Summary of this data:
---------------------

An estimated 38000 persons worldwide read the Twin Peaks interest group 
on the USENET network news service.  Of 706 newsgroups on topics ranging
from technical/professional issues to social topics, the Twin Peaks
group ranks 188, or in the 74th percentile.  The newsgroup carries
over 1000 "postings" (articles or letters) each month, or over 34 per
day.  It is "received" by 69% of all sites on USENET;  note that receiving
a group is optional, meaning that 69% of all the sites have an interest in
seeing this group.

If we VERY UNSCIENTIFICALLY extrapolate from these statistics that 2.6% of
the GENERAL POPULACE is, like the readership of USENET, interested in
Twin Peaks, this would yield approximately 6.5 million viewers in this
country alone.  This figure is probably wildly inaccurate, but adjusting
by ± 20% still yields from 5.26 million to 7.74 million viewers!


Overall Summary of USENET:
--------------------------

sampledestimated
----------------
Sites:    693    35000
Fraction reporting:  1.98%     100%
Users -w- accounts: 131938  6663000
News readers:  32431  1637000


Cross-section:
--------------

Avg. readers/site:            47
% of users reading net:    24.58%
Avg. traffic/day (MB):    18.218
Avg. # messages/day:         7826


Measurement:
------------

Traffic measurement interval (last):  28 days
Readership measurement interval (last):  75 days
Sites used to measure propagation:      693


Statistics for alt.tv.twin-peaks:
---------------------------------

ranking:188 of 706
readers/worldwide:38000
readers in sample:831
%sites receiving:69%
messages/month:1048
kbytes/month:1869.7
share of readers:2.6%





--
---- jbone@Sun.COM --------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Bone ----
                                                                   --

In article <1991Feb19.192022.26322@nntp-server.caltech.edu> coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:
> >In article <RGB.91Feb19132026@bigsleep.engin.umich.edu>rgb@engin.umich.edu (Rod G. Bogart) writes:
>> >>Although some net-folks have called the drawer-knob scene "stretched
>> >>latex", it was definitely computer graphics animation.  Anyone know
>> >>what company did the effects?
> >
> >In the credits, a person named RAUL FERNANDEZ was credited with
> >the animation. Anybody know who he is?

Yes. I believe he did some work on Twin Peaks.
It was a sort of computer animation/SFX type deal.

Hope I could help.

-Matt

Folks, Nielsen and the networks *do* know the limitations of the rating
system.  There's no magic factor.  You can't call their figures absurd
just because the sample is small.  If Nielsens were wrong, you'd expect
to see two factors: bias and/or inconsistency.  I have seen no credible
evidence that Nielsen home selection is biased against "Twin Peaks"
viewers.  And as far as consistency is concerned, look at the share week
after week.  5.1, 5.2, 4.9, 5.4, etc, etc.  These are not the wild
swings an excessively small sample would produce.

The things Nielsen CAN'T measure are well known to pollster and network
alike.  The new People-Meter system was introduced to address some of
them.  Immediately some numbers changed and studios were frightened.
But no 5.1 shares turned into 25.1!  

Nor is the argument that "even with a small share, there are a lot of us
out here" worth much.  These things are relative.  A 5.1 share means
about 4.7 _million_ homes are tuned in!!  Everyone agrees that's a lot
of viewers, in raw numbers.  The lowest-rated show on TV gets "a lot" of
viewers.  The problem is that almost every other show does BETTER.
ABC's "Full House" had an 18.7 share this week.  The stinking decayed
corpse of "Cheers" still pulls in a 20.8 share!  Do you know how much
cheaper it is to make an episode of "Cheers" than "Twin Peaks"?  But NBC
can charge several times more for ad time.  ABC's "Coach" pulls a 15.9.
"Who's the Boss," 15.3.  These are the kinds of numbers that let the
network see a return on its investment.  A 5.1 share for an expensive,
large-cast, hour long series means ABC's money is going down the drain.

So, what's our role as concerned viewers?  Remind ABC that we are LIVING
EXAMPLES of the gray area Nielsen has trouble with.  Suggest to them
that with patience and a better slot, "Twin Peaks" can develop a steady
following like "Hill Street Blues" or "thirtysomething."  Let them know
that the ones who DO watch are the ones who care enough to write, and
also buy stuff.

----------

Postscript: As I compose this message, ABC's announcement just came
over the wire.  "thirtysomething" is going on hiatus too!  So much for
that success story.  They'll air the remaining episodes starting 4/23.

In article <i9mNX4w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> >                                                         James Marshall's lack 
> >of acting ability is exceeded only by his lack of looks, but James Hurley 
> >himself is an interesting character. 

Sometimes I wonder what people think actors DO.

**SPOILERS FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**

Well, here's the third version of this list.
Special thanks go to the following people for
contributing:
  Linda Birmingham, Scott L. Vandenberg,
  Ann Hodgins, Jeanne Stapleton, 
  Bradford H. Needham, Palmer Davis, "Arachnid",
  Greg M. Brown, Eric Daniels, and Ron Sires.
  and Ron Sires.

Hopefully, this time I won't spark another horse
debate.  >:)


Symbols/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe
(last updated 2/19/91, previously updated 2/8/91 and
whenever before that in January)

  1.  Sex, comedy, violence, and rock 'n roll

  2.  Ceiling fan in the Palmer home

  3.  Traffic light

  4.  "Invitation to Love" soap opera

  5.  Waterfall outside The Great Northern Inn

  6.  Sprinkler on the Sheriff's Office ceiling

  7.  Coffee, donuts, and cherry pie

  8.  Owls

  9.  Psychic visions

 10.  Trees/forest/wood:
Forest in/outside Twin Peaks,
Log Lady's log,
Bookhouse Boys patch, and
Doorknob on drawer in The Great Northern Inn

 11.  Dead people:
Laura Palmer,
Bernard/Jacque/Jean Renault,
Blackie O'Reilly,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Emory Bates,
Leland Palmer,
The transient,
Jeffery Marsh,
Malcolm (Evelyn Marsh's lover),
Jonathan (assistant to Thomas Eckhardt),
Thomas Eckhardt, and
Josie Packardt

 12.  Full/half moon

 13.  Glasses/sunglasses:
Dr. Jacoby,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward, and
Thomas Eckhardt

 14.  Cigarette/cigar smoking:
Benjamin Horne,
Shelley/Leo Johnson,
Bobby Briggs,
Josie Packard,
Donna Hayward, and
Evelyn Marsh

 15.  Fire:
"Fire, walk with me",
Packard sawmill fire, and
The fire from the fireplace at the Great
          Northern Inn lobby reflecting off Thomas 
  Eckhardt's sunglasses

 16.  White horse (uh oh, misspellings?)
"General" Benjamin Horne's Civil War
          piece(s), and
Laura Palmer's pony (Tony) that was seen by
  Sarah Palmer right before BOB killed
  Madeleine Ferguson

 17.  Light and dark:
White/Black Lodge

 18.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
Sheriff's Office light when dead transient
  is found, and
Leo/Shelley Johnson's ceiling light when Leo
  reawakens

 19.  Animal heads:
Deer (?) head on table when Sheriff Truman
  and Agent Cooper have Laura Palmer's
  safety deposit box,
The assortment of trophys in the den (?) in
  Pete/Catherine Martell's home, and
The cooked pig head that Josie serves as
  dinner to Catherine Martell and Thomas
  Eckhardt

 20.  Hank's domino

 21.  Chess/chess pieces

 22.  Twins/opposites:
Agent Cooper/Windham Earle,
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson,
Bernard/Jacque Renault, and
The Giant/Little Man from Another Place

 23.  "Family trios" (warped versions on 
      Daddy/Mommy/Child):
Bobby Briggs/Shelley Johnson/Leo Johnson,
(Dick Tremayne/Andy)/Lucy Moran/Nicky,
"Big" Ed Hurley/Norma Jennings/Nadine
  Hurley,
Bobby Briggs/Audrey Horne/Benjamin Horne,
Pete Martell/Catherine Martell/Josie
  Packard, and
Malcolm/Evelyn Marsh/James Hurley

 24.  The color brown


Corrections/additions/comments/questions would be
most appreciated, preferably via E-mail, not by
posting. 
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga   1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling

sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:


> >See the mountains kiss high heaven
> >And the waves clasp one another
> >No sister flower would be forgiven
> >If it disdained its brother
> >And the sunlight clasps the earth
> >And the moonbeams kiss the sea
> >What is all this sweet work worth
> >If thou kiss not me?

Clever, clever Window Merle--it's an acrostic!  The first letters of each
line spell out SANIAAWI, the famous Tibetan chess defence which is the
only way that Coop can defeat him.  And the final letters of each line,
backwards, spell out "Eh?  Ah!  rn  rn", David Lynch's ploy to gather
plot lines through readnews.

(Don't mind me, it's just an early withdrawal symptom.)

Could it be that the LMFAP does not represent Leland, but BOB's
vehicle??   That would explain his presence, even though Leland   
is dead.  ( _Assuming_ that Leland is in fact completely out of 
the picture)


Dewey

howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:

> > I knew but forgot - could someone tell me (email please) the ftp site
> > where those glorious Mac sounds are stored?
> > 

Me too!


                                        - Sasha

In article <1991Feb19.204650.16733@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> >Are ABC execs as stupid as they appear to be?

You mean for letting such a low-rated show hang on week after week?
Nahh.

> >All this talk about low
> >ratings and how no one is staying home on Saturday night to watch Twin
> >Peaks... I don't know about any of you but I *never* watch TP on
> >Saturday night. I *always* watch it on Sunday afternoon or evening. This
> >is the miracle of videotape. Hasn't anybody at ABC heard of this
> >phenomena? Isn't it time the archaic ratings system was scrapped once
> >and for all? Face it, no one watches shows like TP in real time. Who
> >wants to watch a bunch of commercials?

Exactly why you don't count, John.  No one cares how many people watch
the *show*--it's how many people watch the commercials.  If you're
zapping the commercials than no one *wants* to count you.  Do you
think ABC is in this for the satisfaction of knowing they've put on a
well-made show?  No way.  (By the way, I'm one of the "no ones" who
watches TP in real time, as are most of my friends, who will no doubt
be chagrined to hear about their ceasing to exist.)

--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

In article <0094477C.7BA1DFA0@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU> statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes:

> >Here is the first posting of 'Twin Quotes', the second chapter of
> >the Twin Peaks Quote list.  I hope it meets with your approval.  I decided 
. . .
> >There are a few more really good ones from 3003 and 3004 that I 
                                                   ^^^^     ^^^^

Wait. . . you've already seen NEXT SEASON's shows?

--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

In article <2635@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >With regard to the language that Eckhart's assistant was speaking,
> >I cast my vote for Hungarian 

Per the captions, she was speaking Afrikaans.

-- walt

Here's another former role for a Twin Peaks member:

Billy Zane as Nathan Detroit in the Camp Harand
  production of Guys and Dolls.

I can verify this as I was Nicely Nicely!

Len Wanger    Does this qualify as a brush with greatness?

coufal@owl.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:
> >    If you are really angry ... I mean _really_ steamed that TP should
> > be put on hiatus right in the middle of the season: here's what you
> > can do:
> >    Call ABC. Call them two, three times a day. Ask when they will be
> > putting TP back on the air. Continue until the last six episodes
> > are shown.
> >    Here are the telephone numbers:
> >         ABC - (Los Angeles) - (213) 557-7777
> >                  (New York) - (212) 456-7777
> >    I guarantee you; if every person who reads this newsgroup phones
> > them twice a day, every day; ABC will notice.

I guarantee you ABC (or any network) will take much greater notice of 
complaints sent via USnail rather than by telephone.  A huge stack of 
well written letters (asking for another night perhaps) is much harder 
to ignore than a single page telephone log from an operator who may be 
so bored (aka fed up) she doesn't list all the phone numbers.  

> > 
> >    For good measure, here's the address to write to to complain.
> > Write SOON! Write OFTEN!
> >    
> >      ABC
> >      Robert Iger - Entertainment President
> >      2040 Avenue of the Stars
> >      Century City, CA 90067
> > 
> > -- 
> >  David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu

You might also write to the General Manager of your local ABC Television 
affiliate.  Suggest the GM contact the Affiliate Relations board as well 
as the programming division.  

Just for the record, I'm a peakie too, and will be sending my letters 
tomorrow.  I'll also talk with my GM as well.  :-)) 

Lance Spangler 

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 WITH NO AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE!   KVUE Television
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       All appropriate disclaimers apply.

LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA writes:

> > JONES... But... all these were eventually cancelled (save DESIGNING WOMEN). W
> > n a tv show goes on HIATUS especially a very low-rated show like TP , its cha
> > es are practically non-existent. Also, TP's rating are dwindling, it's not a 
> > ilding show and its cache has past. I believe we can probably say : TWIN PEAK
> > R.I.P.


Way I heard it, ABC already planned to put it back on a weeknight time 
slot, it just would be a while. I could be wrong - but that's the way I 
first heard it...

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <86154@sgi.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >
> >See the mountains kiss high heaven
> >And the waves clasp one another
> >No sister flower would be forgiven
> >If it disdained its brother
> >And the sunlight clasps the earth
> >And the moonbeams kiss the sea
> >What is all this sweet work worth
> >If thou kiss not me?

This poem is part of a poem called "Love's Philosophy" by Percy Shelly.

(My friend told me this tidbit.)

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From today's San Francisco Chronicle...

'Peaks' Is Deader Than Laura Palmer
by Phil Rosenthal
Los Angeles Daily News

In the end, "Twin Peaks" was done in by the same demon that killed Laura
Palmer.

Bob did it, although he probably kept the show alive, too.

It was the "Who killed Laura Palmer?" craze that drew the masses into the
exceptional Mark Frost-David Lynch ABC serial on Thursdays last spring, and it
was the drawn-out manner in which that story line played out on Saturdays this
season that turned the masses away.

ABC has announced that last Saturday's episode will be the last on the air
for a while. To most people, however, "Twin Peaks" dies long ago. Sadly, it
just sort of disappeared.

If recent form holds, Saturday's "Twin Peaks" episode will finish mired
among the worst of the Fox shows and NBC's wretched "Sunday Best" at the bottom
of the weekly Nielsen ratings. Nobody was watching.

The network said it will honor its commitment for the full season of 22
episodes and it likely will find a harmless time slot at some uncritical
juncture in the season to put the remainder on the air.

But it's time to wake up and smell the coffee: "Twin Peaks" is dead,
deader than Laura Palmer, deader than disco. Cue the dancing dwarf. Wrap it
in plastic and cast it adrift. Look for it to wash up someday in cable
rerun-land, somewhere between Walla Walla and One Eyed Jacks. But, barring an
unforeseen resurrection, this cherry pie is baked.

True devotees knew all along that solving Laura Palmer's murder was
irrelevant to enjoying the show. The network, however, seized upon it as a
selling point to build its audience. That set up unrealistic expectations and,
as the surreal story line drifted on, popular support drifted off.


Blame Bob, ABC's Bob
--------------------

If learning the true identity of Bob -- the evil inside us all, and
particularly Leland Palmer -- killed "Twin Peaks," there was an accomplice --
another Bob, as it were, in ABC Entertainment President Bob Iger.

Banishing "Twin Peaks" to Saturday nights, along with the also-acclaimed-
but-low-rated "China Beach," was probably an earnest compromise for ABC. But
it amounted to a death warrant for the programs, which already were living on
borrowed time by Nielsen standards.

It enabled ABC to renew the series, critical successes with marginal
popularity, because nobody watches ABC on Saturdays. But it also doomed the
shows -- because nobody watches ABC on Saturdays. Not surprisingly, neither
survived its transplant.

Fans of "Twin Peaks" and "China Beach" have lives, thank you, lives that
aren't worth rearranging for the sake of a TV show, even a really good one.
Even one as good as "Twin Peaks."

What few viewers remained were further put off by its frequent
pre-emptions this winter.


Off to the Realm of Scholars
----------------------------

It's a shame, because there was unprecedented care taken in making "Twin
Peaks" interesting to watch, to listen to, to study. Scholars will be writing
dissertations on the series for years to come.

One example of the loving detail that so distinguished "Twin Peaks" was
the "Invitation to Love" soap opera that played out in the background last
spring. Everyone in the town of Twin Peaks seemed to be captivated by it. It
was said to have its own story line, although it was little more than scenery
for the real program.

As rare and wonderful as such quality and lavish attention was for a TV show, the soap opera eventually was forgotten by the townspeople. Nobody seemed
to be watching it, at least, and nobody talked about it.

Sadly, it just sort of disappeared.


-----
byron c go bgo@ucsee.berkeley.edubyron@ocf.berkeley.edu
ab econ/cs '92 ...!ucbvax!ucsee!bgo ...!ucbvax!ocf!byron

"i make pleanty of money, when i'm not going bankrupt." -- michael steadman

To tell the truth, while I found the James/Evelyn/Malcolm storyline to be 
just slightly less silly than using a nuclear bomb to clear out a 
bookstore, I found James to be an interesting character. James Marshall's lack 
of acting ability is exceeded only by his lack of looks, but James Hurley 
himself is an interesting character. Maybe I only think that because I'm 
a Desert Rose Band fan - they have a song entitled "Running" which I 
think relates a lot to James:

"My hometown is filled with broken dreams
 Folks back there are runnin' from life, it seems
 I left as a young man running from a memory
 And I'm still runnin' - I'll always be running."

James is trying to escape from Twin Peaks, which has been the embodiment 
of frustration ever since he can remember. His mother and father are 
never around, he is taken care of by his (dare I say it?) hick uncle and 
crazy aunt, his girlfriend and her cousin are both murdered by an evil 
demon, and he just cannot handle it any more. So he leaves. 
Of course, this is just my interpretation. :>

You know, it just occured to me. Will the broadcast hiatus have any 
effect on the licensees of Twin Peaks? For instance, the three books that 
were on the way, the TP line of cherry pie, coffee, etc.

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <1991Feb19.171031.29167@ugle.unit.no>, stigove@solan.unit.no (Stig Ove Johnsen) writes...

} Last friday here in Norway, the NRK (the norwegian broadcasting) sent an 
} episode of TP that I believe you americans saw in november. It was the
} episode where we found out that Leland are Lauras killer.

} Was that episode a re-run over in US, or are we norwegains only a few 
} episodes away from where you (americans) are ???

None of this year's episodes were re-run here in the US. The sequential
number for that episode is 14. We just saw #23 last Saturday.

} How many episodes are there ??

So far, 23, not including the original pilot film.

} Do they still make new episodes ????

The show is currently in limbo, with six more episodes to go.

-- "Have you ever made love to a revolutionary?" "No, but I once necked with a Stevenson Democrat." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In some article or other stigove@solan.unit.no (Stig Ove Johnsen) wrote:

#   How many episodes are there ??
#   Do they still make new episodes ????

can i hit him now?  hard?

i'm tempted to say something EXTREMELY rude, but i won't.

it's been a long week.  and it's only tuesday.  *sigh*  :-P

-----
byron c gobgo@ucsee.berkeley.edubyron@ocf.berkeley.edu
ab econ/cs '92 ...!ucbvax!ucsee!bgo ...!ucbvax!ocf!byron

"from dust you were created, and to dust you shall return.
 ashes to ashes, dust to dust."

First of all, I feel, that no matter what happens, Twin Peaks will not return
in the fall.  This is perhaps both because of the decrease in quality since
Mark Frost left to do his movie, and also the extremely low ratings.  The
extreme fickleness of many Twin Peaks fans must have been registered to ABC.

So, why did they do it?  Simple -- To give Lynch time to get a really good,
really appropriate conclusion to the series.  It's been stated by someone that
the last episode is intended to be directed by Lynch, and has not yet been
completed.  So, doesn't it makes sense for ABC to have Lynch himself wrap up
and conclude the series?  This delay will permit this to happen with maximum
effect, besides the publicity the return will generate.  

It is a simple fact (and immediately obvious, really) that Twin Peaks can not
continually be of the same quality throughout.  A show that is as sophisticated
as Twin Peaks just can't.  If you just have the "bizzare" plots, there isn't
a basis in the real world, and when a plot line appears to be more "mundane"
people claim that Twin Peaks "is just becoming another soap".

One thing that I feel that the networks could learn from the Twin Peaks
experiment is that rather then just targeting open-ended series, or one week
mini-series, there could be a very good market for a "Maxi-Series" -- a weekly
show, a la Twin Peaks, but something that is to end, very definitely, when the
story line is completed.  This should be planned from start to finish, at
least generally.  This allows some more freedom in television ideas, but
doesn't force strict forms.  However, there would have to be a certain level of
commitment from the network to show the entire series.


-- --------------------------------------+----------------------------------------- Michael Lee ! Love michaell@garfield.cs.wisc.edu ! Don't go away 934 W. Dayton Apt #1 ! Come back this way Madison, WI 53715 ! Come back and stay SAVE TWIN PEAKS ! Forever and ever WRITE ABC TODAY ! "The World Spins", David Lynch --------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------

Rod Johnson talks about commercials versus zapping, zipping, time
shifting etcetera, and what ABC likes to see.

Personally I watch TP in one of two "modes" depending on whether I'm
home at the time: "real time," in which case I get to watch all the
commercials but they don't go on the videotape; and "later," in which
case the videotape got all the commercials but I zip them as I replay.

So far it sounds exactly like the sponsor's nightmare.  ***BUT*** there
are two mitigating factors:

 * When I zip "later," I always do actually know who the sponsors are.
Even zipped, a VW or Hellman's commercial lasts four seconds and is
identifiable as such.  So there's name recognition going on, even if not
the long-duration kind real time watchers endure.

 * When I watch "real time," I zap (mute) the commercials anyway!  I
ride two buttons: TV mute and VCR pause.  When the show resumes I press
both again, to resume sound and recording.  So sponsors shouldn't fool
themselves into believing that a real time audience necessarily gets the
commercials.  Zapping is rampant nationwide (this is one reason they've
gone nuts on the visual interest in ads).

Look on the bright side, sponsors.  When people timeshift they keep a
copy of YOUR MESSAGE that will always be there when the show's replayed.
You couldn't buy that from a network.

-- You are sunlight and I, moon | Joined by the gods of fortune | Midnight and high noon | Sharing the sky | Tom Neff We have been blessed, you and I | tneff@bfmny0.bfm.com

In article <1991Feb18.232145.745@ecl.psu.edu> adm@ecl.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >        Well, I kinda wanted to say something, but somehow all the thrill has
> >gone out of discussing plots lately...sigh...
> >        Anyway, I was puzzled by the appearance of the LMFAP at the end of the
> >last(!) show.  As I recall, Cooper basically told us that he represented
> >Leland.  Witness this conversation from Leland's final episode (dialog
> >approximate but very close!):
> >        Cooper: What did the little man do in my dream?
> >        Truman: uh...he danced?
> >        Cooper: Exactly.  After LAura's death, Leland danced compulsively.
> >
> >        Was the LMFAP stuck in just to be supernatural and spooky &c, or is
> >Leland coming back, too?
> >
> >        Add my vote to the David-Warner-was-wasted-miserably crowd.
> >                                        Jenni
> >
> > --------------------------I wrote my letter!------------------------------

I don't think Cooper was saying that the Little Man represented Leland.
The dwarf is probably a representative of the White Lodge, and he was giving
clues to Coop through the dream.  One of the clues was that the Little Man
was dancing.  This was a subtle clue to point out the murderer, Leland, who
danced compulsively.

Aaaaaargggghhhhh!  The Association of Broadcasting Crapheads has done
it AGAIN!  I think the world will be engulfed in flames before intelligent
people rise to high positions in the Networks, not to mention become the
mainstream viewing public.  <Sigh>

-Dan Harkless
dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

"The little pine weasel is about to become a household word." - Ben Horne

WRITE YOUR LETTER NOW!!!!!!

Thanks for so many quick responses to my post asking for the name of
the actor who plays BOB.  (The answer is, of course, Frank Silva.)


My bet on the future of _Twin Peaks_:

(I know you're not going to like it, but I'm trying to look at things
realistically.)

Last six episodes air this summer on ABC as a summer replacement series.
David Lynch gets back to making movies and that's the last we hear of it.

It's been fun while it lasted.

-- -- Admiral Avenger, zecca@tramp.colorado.edu / zecca%tramp@vaxf.colorado.edu Home of Junk Mail and Star Trek: The Crouton Generation "Now what was that about my thighs?" -- Admiral Picard to Captain Kabeta, ST:TCG3 "Remember Romulus"

In article <46013399@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes...

} Oh, heavens, that's unexpectedly pessimistic.

No, not pessimistic, just realistic. It's natural law, entropy. I've seen
too many good shows live on past the time when they should've been canned.
I'd rather see TWIN PEAKS quit while it's ahead than stumble about trying
to emulate its prior successes.

} However, the show today is far from stale! It has great promise.

I didn't say it *is* stale, only that it *will get* stale.

} * The ensemble has quietly turned into one of the best in television
} -- each character's personality is sharply etched.

True, but this is not unique to this show.

} * It's a showcase for directors and actors. Ever notice, when you go
} to the theatre, how many credits from SPENSER and ST:TNG there are?
} Those shows virtually specialize(d) in developing young talent. TWIN
} PEAKS stands to do the same. We'll be reaping the benefits for years to
} come.

But this is hardly *that* suprising. Let's just take directors as an example.
25-30 years ago, ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS featured among its directors not
only the veteran Hitch himself, but such then-unknowns as Sydney Pollack
and Robert Altman. The original TWILIGHT ZONE had episodes directed by
Richard Donner, Don Siegel, and Jacques Tourneur!  The newer TZ featured
veterans John Milius and William Friedkin, semi-vets Wes Craven and Joe
Dante, and a young and upcoming Martha Coolidge. AMAZING STORIES had big
names like (in addition to Steven Spielberg) Peter Hyams, Martin Scorcese,
Irvin Kershner, Burt Reynolds, Clint Eastwood, and Tobe Hooper. Plus
Paul Bartel, Joe Dante, Danny DeVito, and Robert Zemeckis. Not to mention
a couple of other familiar names like Todd Holland and Lesli Linka Glatter.

And those last two prove another point. We don't know where they've been
showing up between AMAZING STORIES and TWIN PEAKS. Maybe like Diane Keaton,
Glatter has directed an episode (or two or three) of CHINA BEACH. Maybe
Todd Holland has directed episodes of Lord knows what because we never
thought to watch it. There's a television write whom I admire a lot named
Alan Brennert -- did a lot of good scripts for TZ, among other things. I
found out a few months ago that wrote at least one episode of CHINA BEACH
(for which he was nominated for Outstanding Teleplay by the Writers Guild
of America), and this past weekend, I was told that he co-wrote last week's
LA LAW with ex-STTNG writer/story editor Melinda Snodgrass. For all I know,
he's done lots of other scripts for other shows I don't normally watch.

The point is that these folks get around, and they make their mark, even
if they aren't high-profile.

} The truth is, folks, that if they take it off, we're NOT going to see
} anything half as good in its place. There is no "conservation of quality"
} rule in TV.

Now see, here I disagree. I think there *is* a "conservation of quality"
rule in TV. There will always be something on that stands head and
shoulders above the rest. There always has, there always will. Before
TWIN PEAKS, it was MAX HEADROOM. Before MAX, it was THE (new) TWILIGHT
ZONE. And so and so forth, forward into the past. TWIN PEAKS will be
be replaced by something worthy. Maybe not immediately, but soon enough.
Maybe something not quite as good, but close enough. And if we're lucky,
it'll be something just as unique as TP was.

You call me pessimistic, but I can't think of anything I said that was half
as pessimistic as "we're NOT going to see anything half as good in its
place."

} The principals will wander off to work in other media or go back to
} retirement, and we can settle back to another season of MACGYVER. Is
} that really something to wish for?

No, it isn't, but I prefer to think that TWIN PEAKS will help reinforce
the idea that unique, quality television *is* possible, and that the
people involved will go on to work on other shows. It's happened before
and it'll happen again.

Serial fiction is inherently self-destructive. The worthwhile writers
tend to shy away from endless series, instead going from one unique work
to another. In the overall scheme of things in the 40+ years of television,
the better shows tended to be anthology shows, which by their very nature
offered something different each week. Not always, but usually.

-- "Have you ever made love to a revolutionary?" "No, but I once necked with a Stevenson Democrat." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Helium?

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.R. Grove) /  5:40 pm  Feb 15, 1991 /

> > Here in the U.K., we are a approaching the end of the second series of
> > Twin Peaks.

Not quite. Whilst the continuity announcer did describe 2006 as being the
penultimate episode, TP is actually continuing beyond 2007 (screened last
night.)

Richard.

"You're going to increase your revenues by TEN PERCENT."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / ejohnson@eeyore.caltech.edu (Eric C. Johnson) /  8:57 am  Feb 17, 1991 /

> > You know what would be even more horrific:

> > The BBC is currently showing Twin Peaks and are around 2006 or something.
> > What if they were to pass us up? :-)

We've just seen TP 2007. TP is shown on Tuesday's and then repeated on
Saturdays. We will definitely see TP beyond 2007, despite a continuity
announcement to the contrary.

I doubt that the BBC will temporarily suspend TP; I suspect they will either
continue screening it or pull it from the schedules.

Richard.

"You're going back to PROFITABLITY."

[Apologies if you've already seen this message and/or
 replied to it - our news and mail got screwed up this
 week :-(]

A friend of mine is visiting Seattle in a few weeks and
he would like to visit the place that Twin Peaks is filmed
in. We've found out that the place is called Snoqualmie
(sp ?), but looking at his tourist map of the area there
seem to be quite a few Snoqualmie's (and even a park
called Twin Peaks!). Can anyone provide a definitive
location for the town where TP was filmed ? Please e-mail
any replies to me as I don't normally read this news group.

Thanks in advance.

//Paul (paulr@syma.sussex.ac.uk)

Should we in the UK be writing to the BBC or to ABC?

Richard.

"You're going back to PROFITABILITY."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) /  7:38 pm  Feb 18, 1991 /

> > If you're interested in seeing a film that combines these elements, I
> > would heartily recommend _The Silence of the Lambs_, down at your
> > local X-plex.  It's an excellent psychological thriller, with only one
> > small lapse into don't-go-in-there idiocy.

"Manhunter", directed by Michael Mann (he of "Miami Vice" fame), is one
of the most frightening films I've ever seen. The film is based on the
Thomas Harris novel "Red Dragon", and has an excellent RSC player in the
role of Hannibal Lector (sp?).

I would highly recommend this film.

Richard.

"You're going back to Palo Alto, PROFITABILITY."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / socalgas@eql.caltech.edu (SoCalGas) / 11:05 pm  Feb 18, 1991 /

> >    Well, well, well. Just when you thought that it was safe not to be well
> > read again. It's time for your favorite fish to come back into posting. As
> > a reply to  the only reply that gave  any feed back to me.... yes, "When
> > We the Dead Awake(n)" is a fine example of what I was talking about. For
> > the rest of you, "A Doll House" should be somewhere in your musty book-
> > shelfs, take it down and check it out.
> > 
> >    ...
> > 

I think this analogy died a death the last time around. Ibsen wrote social
commentary (glib generalisation), "A Doll's House" being "about" the
restricted role of women in 19th century society. "When We Dead Awake(n)" was
unusual in that it used symbolism (cf. "The owls are not what they seem").

"The Master Builder" reminds me of the relationship between Cooper and Audrey.

Richard.

"We're going back to Profitability, PALO ALTO."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / peterf@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter A Fletcher) / 11:07 pm  Feb 18, 1991 /

> > Are you Americans really that emotional ?  I've never seen so much screaming
> > and sobbing (;-)

So you've never watched "Neighbo(u)rs"?

Richard.

"We're going back to Profitability, PALO ALTO."

I gather the BBC ratings for Twin Peaks are looking good.  What's to
stop *them* commissioning more episodes?

Tim

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Richard.

"We're going back to Profitability, PALO ALTO."

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In article <jms.2936@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes...

}} I just read (in Marvel's "Star Trek" comics lettercol, if you can believe
}} it!)

I can't believe it. Maybe you meant *DC's* STAR TREK comic?

}} that Miguel Ferrer, who was playing in "Twin Peaks" before ABC turned
}} stupid, was a member of Barnes and Barnes. Can anybody confirm or deny?

Yup, he was partnered with Billy Mumy. He and Mumy are currently in a
one-or-two-gigs-a-year-at-comics-conventions band called Seduction of
the Innocent. That band has also put out a CD titled THE GOLDEN AGE.
If you've ever wondered what it'd be like to hear Albert singing
"Sunshine Superman" (seriously!) this is the disc for you.

Ferrer and Mumy have also written a number of comics stories, mostly for
Marvel.

} Remember when Nicky was suspected of being a homicidal telekinetic?
} Someone on the net compared it to the Twilight Zone episode with a kid
} named Anthony who would do terrible things to people he didn't like.
} Well, one of Barnes & Barnes' songs ("Cemetary Girls") includes a sample
} of sound from that TZ episode!

The actor who played Anthony in that episode happens to be Billy "Barnes"
Mumy. Amazing coincidence, wouldn't you say?

(Mumy also happens to have a cameo in the segment of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE
MOVIE that is a remake of that episode.)

-- "Have you ever made love to a revolutionary?" "No, but I once necked with a Stevenson Democrat." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Feb19.202425.8796@indetech.com> janet@indetech.COM (Janet Christian x2054) writes:
> >In article <45973@mips.mips.COM> rguion@mips.COM (Richard Guion) writes:
>> >>The San Francisco ABC affiliate, Channel 7, announced that
>> >>ABC will be pulling Twin Peaks off the air after tonight's
>> >>(02/16/91) episode.  They said it was unknown whether or not
>> >>TP would return.  The only justification given was that TP
>> >>was 85th or 86th in the ratings, at the very bottom.

Over here in the UK we have just seen the last episode of season 2 .
I say this is so but I'm not absolutely sure since next Tuesday they are
continuing (presumably) straight into the third season. Anyhow the episode
in question is where Leland kills Maddy and we finally know the awful
truth (well some of it at least :-).

I have heard that there are 22 episodes left of which you people in the
states will have seen 14 but I would like some sort of confirmation of that.

I can only think of one instance where the BBC have axed a show mid-season
but I have no idea how prevalent such a philosophy is in the states.
I would think that if they start showing the third season they will have a
hard time justifying cancelling it at a future date since it is relatively
low in the popularity stakes in the UK as well as the USA at the moment.

Any information would be gratefully received.

Mike.
-- ================================================================================ Mike Hart mrh@maths.nott.ac.uk ================================================================================

The knight in the Bergman's film, Antonius Bloch, indeed
plays chess with Death.   However, at the end, he dies
because Death comes in the guise of a priest.   Death
then spirits the knight and those with him away.

I am not sure, maybe it is indirect allusion to Bergman.

Well I just saw an ad on TV last night for the first movie that ABC
is going to be running in the "Twin Peaks" timeslot on Saturday night.
Arnold Schwarzenegger in "RAW DEAL"!!! Indeed!

WRITE!!!!CALL!!!!SAVE TWIN PEAKS!!!!!!


John Ryder / Tellabs Inc.

In article <1991Feb19.204050.16617@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov
(John Howells) writes:
> >I knew but forgot - could someone tell me (email please) the ftp site
> >where those glorious Mac sounds are stored?
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
> >--
> >                                        John Howells
> >                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
> >                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov
> >


Me too, please!  If we can't have the show itself, at least our macs can sound
like it...

Thanx in advance...
  
pug

From: dcoteles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Domenick Cotelessa)
> >This poem is part of a poem called "Love's Philosophy" by Percy Shelly.

A poem by Percy Shelly...read by Shelly.  Coincidence?  I think not...:)

Gary W. Olson     (34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET)    Central Michigan University
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"War is one of the greatest plagues that can afflict humanity: it
 destroys religion, it destroys states, it destroys families.  Any
 scourge, in fact, is preferable to it.  Famine and pestilence become
 as nothing in comparison to it." - Martin Luther

jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:

<Since Twin Peaks was apparently cancelled due to bad Nielsen ratings, I
<feel compelled to ask if anyone reading this newsgroup actually takes part
<in the Nielsen ratings.  I wouldn't be too surprised if the entire
<readership didn't even KNOW anyone who took part!  I think that trying to
<get an accurate assessment of the show's viewership from what has got to be
<a small sample of the entire U.S. population is spectacularly stupid, and
<even MORE so for something that's rapidly reaching "cult" status.

Not now, but in the past I have been a Nielsen participant. For this
reason I know without a doubt that the Nielsens are phony. I had to keep
a ratings diary and often forgot to mark it or felt it was too much
trouble. Ultimately I ended up lying about what I watched (which was
very little at the time) and often put down PBS shows that I felt
deserved more exposure.

For a network to base their decisions on this rating system, which takes
samples from a tiny segment of the public (and is unverified to boot),
is foolish, especially in light of the changed viewing habits of the
public - with the advent of home video.

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

In article <1991Feb19.175132.21257@athena.mit.edu> mvb@eagle.mit.edu (Mary V. Burke) writes:
> >Hank/Mulkey also appears in _The Hidden_ (starring Kyle MacLachlan, and 
> >one of my very favorite movies ever)--no lines, but he gets to drive 




Chris Mulkey played the lead in the film, "Patti Rocks", critics
loved the film.  He also had a small part in "First Blood", (Rambo I).

Next Tuesday, 2/26/91, Chris will guest star on "30something".

rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

<In article <1991Feb19.204650.16733@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
<>All this talk about low
<>ratings and how no one is staying home on Saturday night to watch Twin
<>Peaks... I don't know about any of you but I *never* watch TP on
<>Saturday night. I *always* watch it on Sunday afternoon or evening. This
<>is the miracle of videotape. Hasn't anybody at ABC heard of this
<>phenomena? Isn't it time the archaic ratings system was scrapped once
<>and for all? Face it, no one watches shows like TP in real time. Who
<>wants to watch a bunch of commercials?

<Exactly why you don't count, John.  No one cares how many people watch
<the *show*--it's how many people watch the commercials.  If you're
<zapping the commercials than no one *wants* to count you.  Do you
<think ABC is in this for the satisfaction of knowing they've put on a
<well-made show?  No way.  (By the way, I'm one of the "no ones" who
<watches TP in real time, as are most of my friends, who will no doubt
<be chagrined to hear about their ceasing to exist.)

I'm surprised to hear that! I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to
have a program interrupted with annoying and crass commercial
announcements, but whatever turns you on I guess!

My point, which I didn't get across very well, is that TV viewing
habits have changed and the networks had better get wise to this fact
or they will soon become extinct. They're already losing their audience
to non-commercial cable channels, but I don't know what the real
solution is. I know what it *isn't*, though: relying on outmoded ratings
systems and gearing their programming to morons is not going to insure
their survival. ABC has enough garbage programming as it is. Can't they
afford just one critically acclaimed program on their schedule to show
that they actually do care about quality? I guess I'm talking about some
kind of dream world!

Personally, I don't really mind the cancellation. I think the show has
gone on too long anyway, but it was only one of two weekly shows I
bothered to watch - now I have but one. The world won't end when TP is
gone, but it was a nice ride while it lasted!

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

< * When I zip "later," I always do actually know who the sponsors are.
<Even zipped, a VW or Hellman's commercial lasts four seconds and is
<identifiable as such.  So there's name recognition going on, even if not
<the long-duration kind real time watchers endure.

< * When I watch "real time," I zap (mute) the commercials anyway!  I
<ride two buttons: TV mute and VCR pause.  When the show resumes I press
<both again, to resume sound and recording.  So sponsors shouldn't fool
<themselves into believing that a real time audience necessarily gets the
<commercials.  Zapping is rampant nationwide (this is one reason they've
<gone nuts on the visual interest in ads).

This is the ultimate irony to me! I actually see more of the commercials
when I'm zipping through the tape than I do when watching something in
realtime. Invariably, during realtime, I leave the room or do something
else when a commercial comes on. I have no idea what is being
advertised; I just know that I'm being annoyed with an interruption, and
sometimes a loooooonnnng one. However, when zipping through a tape I
have to pay attention to what I'm seeing so I'll know when to stop. I
may even stop zipping and watch a commercial if it looks visually
interesting. 

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

In article <1991Feb19.204650.16733@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> >Are ABC execs as stupid as they appear to be? All this talk about low
> >ratings and how no one is staying home on Saturday night to watch Twin
> >Peaks... I don't know about any of you but I *never* watch TP on
> >Saturday night. I *always* watch it on Sunday afternoon or evening. This
> >is the miracle of videotape. Hasn't anybody at ABC heard of this
> >phenomena? Isn't it time the archaic ratings system was scrapped once
> >and for all? Face it, no one watches shows like TP in real time. Who
> >wants to watch a bunch of commercials?

This posting hits the crux of the problem.  In the world of commercial
television, income from the sponsors pay for the productions.  
Commercials on high rated shows cost more than those on low rated shows.
The reason that the ratings don't consider people like John (who videotape
the show for later viewing) is that these people fast-forward through
the commercials and hence are not "reached" (to use a media term) by
it.  Why should a sponsor pay more when a large portion of the audience
does not watch the commercials (Yes, I realize the "live" viewer
is not forced to watch, but they are forced to wait and they do see the
commercial unless they change channels or leave the room for a nature
call).

This is why any show on a Saturday night will not likely do well.

Just my $.02.  Personally, I won't miss it.  This season has been the
pits.

-- Bruce G. Matthews, P.Eng. Nightbird, find your way - for none BGM Human Factors Engineering may know it just as you may. bgm@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca - Neil Diamond from J.L.S.

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

>> >>Maybe someone should suggest to ABC that Dunkin Donuts could profit from
>> >>Twin Peaks Advertising.  My group of 8-12 gets a few dozen for every episode.
>> >>It was a bit unsettling eating them after Waldo was shot, but otherwise it
>> >>adds to the enjoyment.
> >

> >There has got to be money in this for someone. And it is true that a whole
> >group of us buy appropriate junk foods for our TP fests.
> >
> >ann h.

Well, even over this side of the pond, we make a quick trip down to Safeways
for milk, and doughnuts (not to mention the odd cream cake) JUST to watch
Twin Peaks.  Some grouches however, just drink damn fine black coffee (yuk).

May I recommend dunking doughnuts (preferably the ring versions, the jam
versions are too distracting) in damn fine hot chocolate!

Any other suggestions (preferably clean - not too clean 'though!) please e-mail.

Cheers,

Bill

PS  No, I'm not what you call 'a fat couch potato', I swim, canoe, and row! ;-)

PPS Over here they screen TP on Tuesday Nights 2100hrs, and Saturday at 2345hrs GMT.
    We've just seen Maddies demise....well, she'll have a headache if she's not dead.
    Almost put me off my dunking.....Bob scares the cr*p out of me!

Astrophysics - Newcastle University, England.
M.W.Hey@newcastle.ac.uk

For the benefit of all:

freebie.engin.umich.edu (141.212.68.23) directory: /pub/twin-peaks


--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

In article <1991Feb20.143733.27574@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> >jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >          ...in the past I have been a Nielsen participant. For this
> >reason I know without a doubt that the Nielsens are phony. I had to keep
> >a ratings diary and often forgot to mark it or felt it was too much
> >trouble. Ultimately I ended up lying about what I watched (which was
> >very little at the time) and often put down PBS shows that I felt
> >deserved more exposure.

I've wondered about that.  I could imagine a Neilsen participant thinking
that the show he just watched really sucked.  Therefore, in order to
*not* help the show's ratings, lie about it on the log.

-- Scott Amspoker | Touch the peripheral convex of every Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | kind, then various kinds of blaming (505) 345-5232 | sound can be sent forth. unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott | - Instructions for a little box that | blurts out obscenities.

I'm posting from Pittsburgh.  The local affiliate here pushed back last
Saturday's episode to make time for a local college basketball game. 
This messed up my timed record program.  I missed the last five minutes
or so.  Does anyone out there have a copy of the whole thing or of only
the last half?  I'd be glad to pay for any tape or trouble to get a copy.

Thanks in advance

David Park dp36@andrew.cmu.edu 412-268-3250

In article <jms.2936@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <jms.2932@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> >>In article <30387@mimsy.umd.edu> gasarch@dontcare.cs.umd.edu (William Ian Gasarch) writes:

>>> >>>1) Fishheads- Barnes and Barnes.

>> >>I just read (in Marvel's "Star Trek" comics lettercol, if you can believe
>> >>it!) that Miguel Ferrer, who was playing in "Twin Peaks" before ABC turned
>> >>stupid, was a member of Barnes and Barnes.  Can anybody confirm or deny?

I don't know if Ferrer was in it, but I know Billy Mumy was in it, and
Ferrer and Mumy have collaborated on other things (comic books).

> >After I posted that, I realized an interesting coincidence (?)
> >Remember when Nicky was suspected of being a homicidal telekinetic?
> >Someone on the net compared it to the Twilight Zone episode with a kid
> >named Anthony who would do terrible things to people he didn't like.  Well,
> >one of Barnes & Barnes' songs ("Cemetary Girls") includes a sample of
> >sound from that TZ episode!

Golly!

You mean the episode with Billy Mumy as Anthony?







--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

In article <1991Feb20.145851.27819@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> >rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
> ><In article <1991Feb19.204650.16733@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> ><(By the way, I'm one of the "no ones" who
> ><watches TP in real time, as are most of my friends, who will no doubt
> ><be chagrined to hear about their ceasing to exist.)
> >
> >I'm surprised to hear that! I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to
> >have a program interrupted with annoying and crass commercial
> >announcements, but whatever turns you on I guess!

*Think*, John.  Not everyone has a VCR.  I don't, and many of my
friends don't.  I wouldn't mind having one, but what little disposable
income I have goes to other things--I feel lucky just to have my
little black and white TV.  Not everyone can timeshift, mute
commercials with their handy remote and freeze-frame a show to death.
Some of us just *watch TV*, just like back in the stone ages before
all you yuppie gadget-freaks existed.  :)

> >Can't they
> >afford just one critically acclaimed program on their schedule to show
> >that they actually do care about quality? I guess I'm talking about some
> >kind of dream world!                      ^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
 ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^
(I think he's got it!)

Personally, my most satisfying TV experience this year was the series
of Bravo broadcasts of the Oresteia.  I watched it over and over
again.  I'm sure the ratings for *that* made Twin Peaks look like the
Super Bowl by comparison, and I'm sure Bravo wasn't too upset.  Who
needs ABC?  Maybe it's time the networks *did* die.

--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

Kyle MacLachlan is scheduled to be on Late Night with
David Letterman next Tuesday (Feb 26). Maybe he'll
have some info, but will probably just be plugging
_The_Doors_.

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / wkaufman@oracle.oracle.com (William P. Kaufman) /  5:06 am  Feb 19, 1991 /
> > In article <59940023@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard
> > Hancock) writes:
>> >>I'd be interested to compare UK and US viewing figures for Twin Peaks.
>> >>
>> >>The January 22nd episode (TP 2003, repeated on January 26th) attracted an
>> >>audience of 3.91m. [...]
>> >>
>> >>Other US imports attracted the following audiences :-
>> >>
>> >>Star Trek: The Next Generation          4.11m
>> >>Golden Girls                            4.19m
>> >>The Waltons                             3.95m
> >
> >WHAT?!?  TP was edged out by,..THE WALTONS?
> >

The Waltons is shown on C4 on Sundays at 12pm, and is followed by Voyage To
The Bottom Of The Sea.

> >Oh, "repeated on January 26th".  I see, this is another joke, yes?
> >

No joke intended. TP in the UK is shown on Tuesdays at 9pm and is repeated
on Saturdays at variable times.

> >Oh.  HA-HA!  Very good, that.
> >
> >(Hey! Think of the cross-over possibilities of an Albert - Johnboy clash!)
> >

Don't forget JimBOB.

> >                                           -- Bill K.

Richard.

"Goodnight Laura."

From article <1991Feb20.070432.1277@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, by michaell@cat55.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)writes:

> One thing that I feel that the networks could learn from the Twin Peaks
> experiment is that rather then just targeting open-ended series, or one week
> mini-series, there could be a very good market for a "Maxi-Series" -- a weekly
> show, a la Twin Peaks, but something that is to end, very definitely, when the
> story line is completed. This should be planned from start to finish, at
> least generally. This allows some more freedom in television ideas, but
> doesn't force strict forms. However, there would have to be a certain level of
> commitment from the network to show the entire series.
>
>

I agree with this wholeheartedly....don't they do this in Britain? I seem
to remember someone telling me that they do...

Hurm.....

WRITE ABC TODAY!!!!!! TWICE!

BOB Cappel
--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||
aka "The Bob" ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu ||

>> >>Ah well, it was fun while it lasted...  I guess there will be another really
>> >>neat show in about 3 years.  Until then, I'll have to settle for STTNG
>> >>and Gulf War updates...

> >Notice that ST:TNG is SYNDICATED!  How well do you think it would work on
> >ANY of the networks at their current intelligence level?

What do you mean?  ST:TNG is usually INCREDIBLY stupid.  I watch it, but
it does not require any great, or even slight, intellect.

doug

I just received a postcard from the folks at the Twin Peaks Gazette offering
to send three people their February issue free of charge.  I'm having one
sent to my girlfriend but don't know what to do with the other two.  So if
you haven't already subscribed and would like a copy, send me mail quickly.

First two replies take them.

I just realized there should be a deadline for this else I might end up
waiting forever.  5pm Sunday 24 February is the deadline.  The letter goes
out first thing Monday morning.

regards,

     byron  (=

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