Fire Walk with Me — August 28, 1992–December 31, 1992

I have an assignment for Julee Cruise fans:
Those who live in the LA area should call up KROQ all on the same night 
and request Julee Cruises newest song "Questions in A World of Blue" on 
the top 5 one night. Madonna got on at #5 with only 23 votes. If we make 
this into a conspiricy of some sort, and get Julee Cruise on the air as 
one of the top 5 songs, others will like it, and follow our trail, thus 
making the TP soundtrack popular, and therefore making people get back 
into the Twin Peaks spirit. It will work if we work together and get our 
friends to do the same. But it must be on the same night, and it must be 
a group thing. Who knows, this small project may bring back the show that 
we love, then again, it may not, but it's not that much of an effort. Why 
not? Anyone with input on this, drop me a line. If I get over 20 letters, 
then who knows, maybe I'll run for president. Remember in the words of 
Gordon Cole "Let a smile be your umbrella."

Take a stand, and lets mess with the listeners minds.

-Justice

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 Can anybody tell me when FWWM 'comes to' the Netherlands.
 Nobody seems to know anything about it here!
 Thanks,
   Valentijn.

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In alt.tv.twin-peaks, campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:

> > 
> >   OK, so I'm angry.  First Northern Exposure, now this.  Lynch's legacy lives 
> > on network TV, but I miss the quality and suspense of Twin Peaks.

Northern Exposure has all the quality TP ever did.  It does not have
the same level of suspense, but it is a different show.  Actually
Northern Exposure seems to owe very little of its success or
premise or existence to David Lynch in any way whatsoever.
It is probably more beholding to other quirky and successful shows
like _Hill Street Blues_.

doug

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In article <1992Oct2.021819.10328@adobe.com> dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack) writes:
> >From: dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack)
> >Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
> >Keywords: Jeff
> >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:18:19 GMT
> >In article <001201c.3.717965941@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> >[stuff deleted...]
>> >>
>> >>And didn't anybody notice that the controversial 'whooping noise' the old 
>> >>guy made in the final episode was also the sound 'the arm' made in FWWM, and 
>> >>the sound we heard in the trailer park when we see that telephone pole?
> >
> >Actually, it is played every time we see power poles, power lines, and
> >electrical outlets.  I didn't notice it the first time, but it was VERY
> >apparent to me on my second viewing that the must be some connection between
> >at least the LMFAP if not the Lodges in general and electricity.
> >
> >Another thing that no one has mention is that at the end of Jefferies' scene
> >in Philadelphia, I believe just as Cole is saying something like, "He's
> >gone.", there is a snowy (as in tv. snow, not the wet stuff ;-)) shot of power
> >lines.  Is this to imply that Jefferies left (was sucked out?) through the
> >power system?  I believe this shot was accompanied by the "whooping" sound.
> >Though I could be wrong. Bizzare.
> >
> >And now for something somewhat different... I noticed this in my second
> >viewing.  In Laura's scene with Harold, I believe that just before
> >she leaves (after the "Fire Walk With Me" segment)
> >Laura mumbles something.  To me it sounded like: "The trees, the trees..."
> >Anyone else hear this?  Was it something else?  Anyone have any idea why she
> >would be preoccupied with trees at that point?
> >
> >darin

YES!!! There was a shot with static, then power lines... but did anybody 
notice that there is a scene when Laura gets screwed around by her father,
and she's walking out of the house. She looks up and then we see the exact 
same shot of the power lines. Could Jeffries be "watching"? Anybody notice 
this?
I, too, heard Laura say "the trees, the trees". Actually that reminds me of 
her funeral scene in the TV series, where we see the trees blowing. (Well, 
this image is also shown 100 other times.) (it's just a theory.)
Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.
FINALLY... concerning cut footage from FWWM, I read in Spin magazine that 
there were scenes with Bobby and his father talking that were cut, and in
People magazine, it said Joan Chen had just finished shooting it. This was
a while back, probably before this stuff was cut.

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In article <a1JyRB2w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> >From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
> >Subject: Last Episode
> >Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 01:56:09 PDT
> >A major finding has made me wonder if the Cooper "Hows Annie" scene was 
> >really real, or just a dream that Cooper has in which he never is shown 
> >waking up from. The only thing that I can say that would support this as 
> >just a dream is the fact that Doc Hayward was with Cooper when he wakes 
> >up, but then again, just the day before, didn't Doc Jacoby hit and maybe 
> >even kill Ben Horne. If he did, wouldn't Doc Hayward be in jail, or even 
> >athome thinking things thrgh? Hmmm. Coincidence? Maybe.
> >
> >Note: I have reason to beleive that Agent Chester Desmond went into the 
> >Lodge on his own in search of Teresa. Love opened the door for him. He 
> >fell in love with Teresa the minute he laid eyes on that picture. That is 
> >all.
> >
> >-Justice
> >
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Never thought of that Desmond theory, but as far as I'm concerned, you're
absolutely right.

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My apologies if this is a FAQ ...

Anyone know of a video store/mail order house in the that has *all* of the Twin Peaks episodes for sale/rent? The local Blockbuster Video has only the first
seven episodes. I watched them all when I was home sick one day and now I can't
wait to see the rest!

Chris

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BTW, has anyone checked out the new Moby CD?  Track #7, "Go," sounds verrryy  familiar!!
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.

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I know I mentioned this already at the tail end of another comment, but I'd
like to question something that someone mentioned earlier about the 3 
minutes that were cut from FWWM, which supposedly included scenes with
Annie recovering in the hospital.
For one, why would Annie be shown in the hospital, since in this film she
wouldn't even be IN Twin Peaks yet, unless it was some sort of Black Lodge
"flash-ahead".
As far as cuts from the movie go, I read, presumably before the cuts were
made, that there were scenes with Bobby and his father talking, and with
Josie Packard. I saw this info in Spin and People magazine, did anybody
else see this stuff? Hopefully on the video version we'll get to see these
scenes, as well as the gruesome stuff at the end that was cut before the
film was shown in the US (and was probably the reason everybody hated it
at Cannes).

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     Thats right, Dr. Hayward smashed Ben Horne's head into the fireplace of 
his home, and yet Dr. Hayward is seen in the very last scene with Sheriff
Truman before cooper walks into the bathroom and says 'How's Annie?'
Is this a continuity error?  Or did Dr. Hayward just sort of 'dump Ben
Hornes body' before coming to the Great Northern??

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In article <1992Oct2.175124.3455@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, xxxx@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (Name Redacted) writes:
> >      Thats right, Dr. Hayward smashed Ben Horne's head into the fireplace of 
> > his home, and yet Dr. Hayward is seen in the very last scene with Sheriff
> > Truman before cooper walks into the bathroom and says 'How's Annie?'
> > Is this a continuity error?  Or did Dr. Hayward just sort of 'dump Ben
> > Hornes body' before coming to the Great Northern??
> > 


True - Doc Hayward probably is in a lot of trouble and it would be pretty
strange for him to be a Coop's bedside the next day.

However, I'm not sure it's a valid assumption that Ben Horne is dead .... I
mean, getting your head bashed against a fireplace could definitely knock you
out, probably do some serious damage, but wouldn't necessarily kill you. 
(Unlike, say, being handcuffed to the door of a bank vault that gets blown to
smithereens....)

Holly

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In article <001201c.4.718042779@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:

(stuff deleted)

> > Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
> > Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
> > was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.

The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
conclusions (I haven't drawn any).

Holly

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I have been subscribed to this newsgroup for about a year,
and when I first began reading it, it was both timely, and
relevant.

But the topics have become stale as the popularity of the old
television show wanes, and FWWM appears to be the end of the End.

So, my idea is to change the format, and indeed the very essence
of this newsgroup from a tribute to a series of films which are
now history, to a complete discussion of the body of work (past
present and future) of the our hero, David Lynch.

What do you think?  At this point I'd much rather dicuss Blue
Velvet or The Angriest Dog in America, as opposed to rehashing
the themes of Twin Peaks.

Let me know.

Scotty AJ 
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FWWM is still playing in Boulder, Colorado, home of Ms. Lee (Laura Palmer)
but moved from a regular theatre ($6.50 per ticket) to the one theatre in
town with cut rate tickets ($1.50).

The listing in this Friday's *Colorado Daily* captivated me:

Fire Walk With Us


Regards, Lou

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In article <14740058@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:
>> >> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(

> >YAAAAYYYY!!

Care to elaborate?  Or is this just random Lynch-bashing?

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In article <1992Oct2.175124.3455@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> xxxx@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (Name Redacted) writes:
> >     Thats right, Dr. Hayward smashed Ben Horne's head into the fireplace of 
> >his home, and yet Dr. Hayward is seen in the very last scene with Sheriff
> >Truman before cooper walks into the bathroom and says 'How's Annie?'
> >Is this a continuity error?  Or did Dr. Hayward just sort of 'dump Ben
> >Hornes body' before coming to the Great Northern??

We don't know.

My pet theory is that the Haywards and Sylvia Horne (with or without Donna)
spirited Ben to Calhoun Hospital and will attempt to cover it up with a
story about an "accident" of some sort.  This will become Doc Hayward's
"little secret" in the continuation (if there is one).

Think about it.  Sylvia was chewing Ben out for digging up the Eileen
Hayward incident.  She probably felt he deserved to be decked.  Doubt she'd
tell.

Then again, maybe Sylvia was sleeping with Doc Hayward too...  :-) :-)

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In article <1992Oct2.021819.10328@adobe.com>, dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack) writes:
> > 
> > In article <001201c.3.717965941@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> > [stuff deleted...]
>> > >
>> > >And didn't anybody notice that the controversial 'whooping noise' the old 
>> > >guy made in the final episode was also the sound 'the arm' made in FWWM, and 
>> > >the sound we heard in the trailer park when we see that telephone pole?
> > 
> > Actually, it is played every time we see power poles, power lines, and
> > electrical outlets.  I didn't notice it the first time, but it was VERY
> > apparent to me on my second viewing that the must be some connection between
> > at least the LMFAP if not the Lodges in general and electricity.
stuff deleted

Most telephone poles are made of Lodge Pole Pines.  Pretty weird...

Matt

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Amen! It is about time that someone said it - the list just isn't what it used
to be.  It seems that people are really reaching to find meanings that just
aren't there - or if they are, just don't matter. IMHO, FWWM wasn't as rich in
meaning and symbolism as the series. It's fun to throw around crazy ideas(I
really really like the one about Coop being the Dali Lama(sp)), but I think
the list would be so much richer if we do open discussion to all aspects of
DL's works. It seems that this is already done to a certain extent, so I would
not expect much resistance.

Twin Peaks will always live in our hearts and minds.

\/,
MDJ aka jack


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In article <ukoga.717882489@mcl> ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:
> >Is it just me, or does the model in the GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")
> >look *a lot* like Madchen Amick?
> >
> >
> >--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
> >--

 Didn't Lynch direct that commercial? And yes, that is Madchen Amick in it.

  Did anyone see the parody NBC is doing of that commercial now? Hilarious!
  NBC comes on the screen like GAP does, they do it in black and white.. got
  an older guy on stage reciting something about TV the same way the guy
  in the origional version is reciting what he is saying, they show a girl
  in jeans, but doing other things like eating pizza.. it ends off with
  the guy saying "And my TV says... "Eat me!" " and they show a picture of
  the audience, insteading of clapping, snapping their fingers.. very
  Twin Peakish! :-)
   
   -=*George*=-

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Rumors have been flying around from a pen pal in Belgium who says that 
Lynch and his new company (Asymetrical) or something to that effect, are 
planning to do a Twin Peaks anthology with cut scenes and bits and pieces 
of interviews on video market for Japan only. Can anyone confirm this ?

Remember, Julee Cruise is the key to stiring up TP controversy again.
Also, my theory still stands for Desmond being in love with Teresa, 
anyone want to chalenge this one?

You can make a difference. 
Down with the Nielson Families (May they all burn with a dallop of mayo 
on their foreheads)
Lynch/Frost '92
I'd better get some sleep. 2 hours sleep in the last 39 hours isn't 
hurting my brain.
How do you log off?
bye
oops

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Today, in a political move that has environmental activisttts up
in arms, President Cooper vetoes congress's most recent environmenal
bill, which specifically was designed to curb logging and protect the
endangered spotted owl.  It does not seem thatt congress has enough
votes to override the veto, but the bill's authors have promised to
modify it and submit the rewritten bill in hopes of saving our North
American forests and their now-rare inhabittants, the spotted owls.

In a hectic news conference, when questioned and criticized
about his vetto, President Cooper had this to say: "The owls are not
what they seem."  No one seems quite sure what that means.



-- any turkey can smoke!

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In article <1992Oct2.152755.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> >From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
> >Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
> >Date: 2 Oct 92 19:27:55 GMT
> >In article <001201c.4.718042779@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> >
> >(stuff deleted)
> >
>> >> Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
>> >> Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
>> >> was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.
> >
> >The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
> >characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
> >America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
> >associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
> >care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
> >conclusions (I haven't drawn any).
> >
> >Holly

Well, you know, Jeffries' accent sounded more Southern US than South 
American. Where did you hear he was from there? And why would J.J. Wheeler be
working with an apprentice FBI agent? Jesus, I don't know... the mystery 
continues.

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In article <1992Oct3.062539.8751@cs.brown.edu> ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu (MDJ aka jack) writes:
> >From: ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu (MDJ aka jack)
> >Subject: Re: A modest porposal
> >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:24:44 GMT
> >Amen! It is about time that someone said it - the list just isn't what it used
> >to be.  It seems that people are really reaching to find meanings that just
> >aren't there - or if they are, just don't matter. IMHO, FWWM wasn't as rich in
> >meaning and symbolism as the series. It's fun to throw around crazy ideas(I
> >really really like the one about Coop being the Dali Lama(sp)), but I think
> >the list would be so much richer if we do open discussion to all aspects of
> >DL's works. It seems that this is already done to a certain extent, so I would
> >not expect much resistance.
> >
> >Twin Peaks will always live in our hearts and minds.
> >
> >\/,
> >MDJ aka jack
> >
> >
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Well, o.k. idea, but who wants to philosophise about "Dune?"

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Hi everyone!!  I just started college at Drake University and just found
this newsgroup.  I love Twin Peaks to death and just saw the movie which
scared me even more than the last half hour of the Series Finale.  I have
all of the episodes on tape and showed them in their entirity to a group of 
friends over theis last summer.  I have probably seen all of them about 7
times.  I would like to thank the person or group of people that comprised
the Twin Peaks Timeline as I just downloaded and printed it.  Everyone back
home will enjoy that as much as I am.  Here goes the questions--

1)  What is the abbrieviation given to the Giant?  I understand LMFAP -
Little Man From Another Place.

2)  Who was the person who beat up Dr. Jacoby at the end of the first season?

3)  Is it confirmed that there will be no more TV episodes and/or movies?

4)  Is there an ftp site where I can obtain Twin Peaks GIF's or sounds?

5)  Why does James's voice sound so wierd when he is singing with Maddy
and Donna?

Thanks in advance,
Jeff Sass
Drake University
JMS015@acad.drake.edu






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,
I've found something in the FWWM script that I don't think (but I've 
missed a few messages, so I could be wrong) has been discussed here.  If 
it indeed has not, I'm surprised that no one discovered this earlier.  
It's a very important piece of information, and will confirm the theories 
of many people.

In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:

"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
formica table."

The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
if they were exactly the same entities.  Seems strange, since MFAP is 
supposed to be Mike's ARM, not Mike.  Unless... maybe MFAP is Phillip 
Gerard's arm, and is also Mike.  This changes things quite a bit from the 
way it was presented in the series, but it's meaning can't be mistaken 
when I'm sitting here staring at it in the script!
 
Ken Bays

Don't E-mail me; post to the group any replies.  We can't receive mail.

..

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I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
town to investigate murder cases.

do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?


Eitan Shterenbaum


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I've scoured our TV guide for the Seattle area, and can find no mention of
Picket Fences. Which parts of the country is it showing in, which network,
and at what time? And has anyone actually seen it and provide a review?

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In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) writes:
> >From: kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays)
> >Subject: LMFAP and Mike
> >Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 19:52:22 EDT
> >,
> >I've found something in the FWWM script that I don't think (but I've 
> >missed a few messages, so I could be wrong) has been discussed here.  If 
> >it indeed has not, I'm surprised that no one discovered this earlier.  
> >It's a very important piece of information, and will confirm the theories 
> >of many people.
> >
> >In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
> >on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:
> >
> >"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
> >formica table."
> >
> >The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
> >if they were exactly the same entities.  Seems strange, since MFAP is 
> >supposed to be Mike's ARM, not Mike.  Unless... maybe MFAP is Phillip 
> >Gerard's arm, and is also Mike.  This changes things quite a bit from the 
> >way it was presented in the series, but it's meaning can't be mistaken 
> >when I'm sitting here staring at it in the script!
> > 
> >Ken Bays
 
Could you possibly print the sequence from the script out; I've been asking
all about that sequence, and I've been losing sleep over it since I saw 
FWWM for the third time and caught all the dialogue I could.(Which wasn't
enough.) 
Well, since LMFAP and Mike are completely dependant on each other, maybe Mike
is his representative outside the lodge, like the Giant and Senor Droolcup,
although both of them can still appear inside. After all, Mike and LMFAP
have given Cooper an equal amount of clues, plus there's other similarities
I'm sure. So please post the sequence so we can all figure it out...



> >Don't E-mail me; post to the group any replies.  We can't receive mail.
> >
> >..

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Here's a little-known fact for you.  David Lynch has a nickname for his
entertainment lawyer, Tom Hansen, and it's "Winky".

BTW, thanks to everyone who responded about Madchen Amick actually being in
that GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")


--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga ||"You're not the man I knew ten years ago."
AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
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>>> >>> Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
>>> >>> Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
>>> >>> was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.

     Am I rmembering wrong, or did original plotting call for Coop
     to fall in love with Audrey while nursing her back to health
     after her captivity at One Eyed Jack's?  

     Coop sees a parallel to Caroline in this situation, except
     he was able to SAVE Audrey.  He won't let her go, he doesn't
     care how old she is.  
     Windom Earle also sees this as a parallel to Caroline, and
     makes plans to render Coop's new love as dead as his old
     (Remembering that Caroline was Earle's wife when she and 
     Coop fell in love).  
     Around the time John Justice Wheeler and Audrey went at
     it in the plane - with Pete and the trout standing guard -
     COOP and Audrey would have consummated their relationship.
     Shortly thereafter, Earle kidnaps Audrey to use as his gift of
     Fear and Suffering (not yet Garmonbozia, if we are to believe
     Earle's connection to this) at Glastonbury.

     Neither Annie Blackburn nor John Justice Wheeler would have
     been introduced if one Kyle MacLachlan hadn't refused to
     play love scenes with Sherilyn Fenn - not because of anything
     personal but because Fenn's character was a minor.

     So, in the end, it would have been "How's Audrey?"  
     Much richer ring to it, I think, than that other...  :-)

>> >>The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
>> >>characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
>> >>America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
>> >>associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
>> >>care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
>> >>conclusions (I haven't drawn any).

     Which doesn't preclude Lynch incorporating BOTH Annie and Wheeler
     into the scheme of things now.  There could be a connection of
     some kind in South America between Jeffries and Wheeler - except
     that the theatrical release, with those intercutting scenes of
     Jeffries in the South American hotel cut out, seems to suggest
     that Jeffries is a prisoner in the Lodge or something like that.

     I wouldn't argue against a projection that, if Wheeler is 
     connected to the supernatural things (he IS an environmentalist,
     after all), he and Jeffries probably know the same people 
     in South America.  But - which side of it is Wheeler on?
     He's looking to PROTECT the trees and the pine weasels...
     Jeffries is looking to STOP THEM.  

     Anyway, the connection is rather dubious (!) and probably
     doesn't matter in the slightest (except one more thing: Billy
     Zane is of rather larger caliber at this point, as an actor,
     than guest-starring for a few episodes on a then-obscure
     television series... unless Lynch said "Do it, this will
     tie in for a much larger role later if what I think is 
     going to happen happens."  ...Hmm. 

>> >>Holly

> >Well, you know, Jeffries' accent sounded more Southern US than South 
> >American. Where did you hear he was from there? And why would J.J. Wheeler be
> >working with an apprentice FBI agent? Jesus, I don't know... the mystery 
> >continues.

     Bowie was doing a southern accent, definitely.  He wasn't
     FROM South America.  You can't be an FBI agent unless
     you are a US citizen, in the first place.  
     The script includes some intercutting during the sequence
     Jeffries turns up coming out of the elevator at FBI
     Philadelphia Bureau.  Jeffries is at a hotel in
     South America somewhere - he apparently has been
     staying there for quite some time, as the staff knows
     him by name.  He suddenly vanishes, and turns up in
     the elevator.


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            

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The Japanese have a few stuff that I want.

1.) A laserdisc of Twin Peaks soundtrack which includes scenes of the 
real Twin Peaks filmed on location with Japanese subtitles on the bottom. 
Price -$50 US. (Saw this one at a movie con)

2.) A "Peaks Mania" EP CD which contains 5 more tracks than the US 
soundtrack. -$35 US

I want them both, but have no $

It's not fair.

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us ]

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I disagree with the person who suggested changing the format of this 
group and to stop discussing what he/she considers a 'dead topic'.
The main reason I think that this is NO NO is because every day I come
in here and read I see someones new and interesting theory and insight
into Twin Peaks the series and FWWM.
I think TP is far from a dead topic if this many people still want to
talk about it and enjoy re-hashing ideas and theories, and exploring 
new ones!

Just my $.02 
:->

Susan 

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In article <1992Oct3.062539.8751@cs.brown.edu> ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu (MDJ aka jack) writes:
> >Amen! It is about time that someone said it - the list just isn't what it used
> >to be.  It seems that people are really reaching to find meanings that just
> >aren't there - or if they are, just don't matter. IMHO, FWWM wasn't as rich in
> >meaning and symbolism as the series. It's fun to throw around crazy ideas(I
> >really really like the one about Coop being the Dali Lama(sp)), but I think
> >the list would be so much richer if we do open discussion to all aspects of
> >DL's works. It seems that this is already done to a certain extent, so I would
> >not expect much resistance.

I was around the last time they proposed renaming it.  Like I said then,
I'd have no problem with discussing Lynch's other works -- but I don't see
the need to officially move the group away from TP.  Let's get some discussions
going, about ANYTHING, first.  Since FWWM closed, there has hardly been
anything discussed, about Peaks, Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, or any of Lynch's
works.  I doubt that other Lynch fans are really staying away from this
group simply because our name only mentions Twin Peaks.  I just think we've
hit a slow patch on all Lynch/Peaks - related subjects, just like Mr. Lynch
himself appears to have.

So let's just see if we can get any traffic of import, and save the name
change until we find out what we're focused on in this post-Peaks era.
Go ahead and discuss the other films -- not just Lynch's, but Mark Frost's
"Storyville" too.  Lynch fans of all sorts are welcome here.  But let's
not force an interpretation or structure on this group until we have a
real reason to.

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In article <1992Oct3.154551.1@acad.drake.edu> jms015@acad.drake.edu writes:
> >1)  What is the abbrieviation given to the Giant?  I understand LMFAP -
> >Little Man From Another Place.

There ain't none.  He's simply listed in the credits as "Giant".  However,
his counterpart the 90-year-old room service waiter is sometimes called
"SDC", for Albert's immortal appellation "Senor Drool-Cup".

> >2)  Who was the person who beat up Dr. Jacoby at the end of the first season?

According to Mark Frost, it was Leland possessed by BOB.  Hmm, a thought...
for all those wondering about the missing "E" in the spelled out R-O-B-E-R-T
letters... did anyone check under Jacoby's fingers?...

> >3)  Is it confirmed that there will be no more TV episodes and/or movies?

We have conflicting reports on the possibility of a sequel.  Bob Engels
says yes, David Lynch says something inscrutable.  The movie made a profit
thanks to overseas release, so it's possible.  Kyle MacLachlan probably
won't want to be involved, though.

The TV series is dead as a doorknocker.

> >4)  Is there an ftp site where I can obtain Twin Peaks GIF's or sounds?

Try audrey.sait.edu.au.

> >5)  Why does James's voice sound so wierd when he is singing with Maddy
> >and Donna?

Probably because James Marshall was hitting the upper end of his vocal
range.  Assuming that it was actually his voice, and not dubbed.

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In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) writes:
> >In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
> >on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:

> >"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
> >formica table."

> >The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
> >if they were exactly the same entities.

Well, the LMFAP and Michael J. "Mike" Anderson, the actor who plays him,
are in a sense "one and the same".

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Here in the down under I am wondering if we have seen all of the TP 
episodes. The last episode I've seen involved a bank blowing up and a guy 
covered with spiders. This left so many unresolved questions that I 
think (hope) there must be more.

Also, does anyone know where to get good quality chinese boxes (such as 
the one shown in TP. Preferably a Victoria, Australia location but I am 
willing to look overseas.

Thanks.

PEG>>>>
  

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In <1992Oct01.022333.25854@microsoft.com> donh@microsoft.com (Don Hacherl) writes:

|In article <1992Sep23.173501.11059@meaddata.com> markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson) writes:
|>
|>I've seen some stories/postings that claimed Mt. Si High School was
|>used for TPHS.  At least with respect to the movie, however, I don't
|>see how the two could possibly be the same.

|Mt Si HS was used in the series, but was in the process of being
|remodelled when the movie was filmed, so another school (sorry, don't
|remember which one) was used.

|Don from North Bend

|-- 

Snoquamish HS, about thirty miles north of the area.

sj

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In article <BuyBxL.AFG@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

> >     Coop, Desmond and Jeffries must die...

>> >>I don't think ALL of them would be trashed.  After all, we need someone
>> >>to explain (or at least hint) at more of what's going on in the Lodge.
>> >>Chester Desmond is probably the most likely to survive -- after all,
>> >>his main reason for being in FWWM is as a substitute Coop.  (I get the
>> >>feeling that if Kyle had been more available / willing, he would have
>> >>investigated Teresa Banks like he did in the Autobiography.)

> >     I get that feeling too... but Desmond's presence may have
> >     worked to the film's advantage - to suggest, as with Blue
> >     Rose, a wider, more formal investigation by Cole into
> >     what's up in those Douglas Firs...  and Sycamores, for
> >     that matter...

Well, yes, but the "blue rose" sequences could just as easily have been
played with Coop and Stanley, rather than Chris Isaak (who I thought did
a great job).

> >     However, my point was: Coop CAN die now, because we don't
> >     NEED a narrator anymore.  For several reasons: first,
> >     a film has wider breadth of narration in and of itself;
> >     especially a Lynch film.  Second, we have a workable
> >     knowledge base of the backstory - perhaps it is still
> >     harder, but in the end much more rewarding, if we are
> >     forced to work through it ourselves.  And third, of
> >     course, these people have a very high mortality rate:
> >     Coop MUST die because he CAN die.

True, we may have a workable knowledge of what's going on by now -- but
the general audience still needs a point-of-view character to identify
with.  Coop was much more than a narrator -- he was the protagonist, the
one who set the plot in motion, the one who was intimately involved with
a number of the plot elements.  In Buddhist terms, he's the one who turns
the Wheel.  (See below.)  He hasn't finished his part yet... though when
he does, his life is probably forfeit.

>> >>On the other hand...  Coop must DIE.  For several reasons.  Kyle's
>> >>reluctance to continue is the least of them.  Another one is Jean
>> >>Renault's speech about how Coop brought the nightmare with him to
>> >>Twin Peaks -- and maybe, if he will die, the nightmare will end.

> >     I'd take issue briefly with that: Josie says similar.  The
> >     truth of it is, Coop didn't BRING the nightmare.  He
> >     brought it OUT into the open.  Before Coop, the weirdness
> >     in Twin Peaks - and Bend, Oregon, and Deer Meadow WA and
> >     Missoula Montana, etc - was simply not spoken of: like
> >     adultery in the 50s -- which contributed to the anachronistic
> >     feel of the series.

Agreed on the anachronism, but this only adds to the overall Buddhist
theme (one of the many religious references in Peaks).  Compare this
with "Kinda", the similar Buddhist allegory in "Doctor Who".  Both deal
with a society which appears, on the outside, perfect.  But there are
demons, hidden, below the surface.  Patterns keep repeating themselves,
in the actions and behaviors of the people.  The Wheel of Life keeps
turning -- the hidden wheel which clocks the rise and fall of ways of
life.  The appearance that the wheel has stopped -- that the culture
has reached timeless perfection -- is only an illusion.  Finally come
catalysts, from outside and from inside, which bring the rot out into the
open.  In "Kinda", the catalysts were Tegan, the seductive woman from
another world, and Aris, the aggressive male.  In Twin Peaks, they were
Laura Palmer and Dale Cooper.  If not for them, the people living in
the enclosed world would never have realized that the nightmare existed.
They would have continued, blissfully unaware, until some other catalyst
arrived.  It takes a person from outside to bring the Wheel full circle.

Coop has certainly done a lot to break down the seeming normality of
Twin Peaks, but he hasn't quite threatened the entire town yet.  That's
what he needs to do.

>> >>  Most
>> >>important, though, is the fact that Leland died, and Twin Peaks is
>> >>cyclical.

Little wheels within big wheels.

>> >>  If there is to be a final confrontation between MIKE and BOB,
>> >>we know it will end with BOB getting shot, as in the dream sequence...
>> >>and that doesn't bode well for Coop.

> >     When did BOB get shot in the dream?  In the Euroversion, you
> >     mean?  I wouldn't go by that, myself... 

Also in Coop's retelling in #2003.

> >     But: I don't see the grand scheme of Peaks mythology as
> >     simply as a confrontation between MIKE and BOB.  

Not the overall scheme.  The overall scheme, at least as I see it, is still
a small town that time forgot, suddenly realizing that its perfect way of
life has been going all to hell while they sat in a state of bliss.
This situation happens over and over again throughout history, thanks to
progress, and each time is one turning of the Wheel.

> >     These beings are from somewhere else - I don't want to
> >     say another planet, that's stupid, it smacks too much of
> >     Rocky Horror -- but they're from somewhere else, and they're
> >     clearly stranded here.  At least, FWWM makes that clear (the
> >     script makes it even more clear).

Not necessarily stranded here.  I think they might simply exist in a
sort of symbiotic state with this world -- they didn't come from somewhere
over the rainbow, just from a "reflection" of our world.

> >     The "fuel" they need to get home is distilled from the 
> >     fear and suffering of humans: FIRE distilled to Garmonbozia
> >     distilled further to Creamed Corn.  MIKE and the LMFAP (who
> >     were once one entity) and other residents of The Lodge
> >     like The Giant inhabbit humans - perhaps even with those
> >     humans' approval - and collect the ambient fear and
> >     suffering we all feel daily.  

Not sure about the fire -- garmonbozia aspect of the link, but the feeding
off of fear and pleasure is a given.  FIRE seems to be a code word for
the darker aspects of human nature, the flames within Laura that are
burning away her soul, the hidden darkness of the human heart that helps
turn the Wheel.  (It's interesting that wood, which is Lynch's pet symbol
for ancient knowledge and wisdom, is the antithesis of fire.)  Fire is
not garmonbozia, but it is one of the causes of it.  Perhaps the poem
"FIRE walk with me" indicates BOB's call to the dark side of men's minds,
a desire to use it to spread pain and sorrow that BOB can use.

> >     BOB, at some point, stopped collecting ambient fear and
> >     suffering and started CAUSING it.  This indicates that
> >     FIRE is addictive to the one who consumes it.  BOB is
> >     an addict - he stole the creamed corn MIKE had "canned"
> >     above the convenience store.

I agree that BOB is probably an addict.  But it seems to me that the other
beings are all trying to manipulate the situation to cause pain and sorrow.
Remember, the LMFAP also appeared when Josie died -- she was prime food
for them.  After all, the producers did mention that all of Twin Peaks
was a chess game between Coop and the spirits, and I can much more easily
see the Little Man sitting down across a chessboard from Coop than I can
see BOB.

The "good" spirits, like the Giant and the non-corn-eating Tremonds, want
to find another way back without destroying lives, but they are bound
by some sort of rules to not directly stop the others.

> >     So BOB must give MIKE and LMFAP "their share" of FIRE after
> >     killing Laura and taking hers: because he owes it to them.
> >     In the script, LMFAP tells BOB: "You're not going home without
> >     me" just before he demands his (and MIKE's) share of the
> >     FIRE.

We'll have to see how that line is read in the extended version before
we decide what it means.

> >     I think this has the ring of possibility -- what does everyone
> >     else think?  I'd love some feedback!

Possibilities, but I'd like to hash out a few more philosophical
subtleties before we decided it's the official meaning.  Like you said,
it still sounds like Rocky Horror.

>> >>Besides, it's just such a neat image for the end of the film for Coop
>> >>to be in the chair in the red room, this time with Laura as his guardian /
>> >>angel.

> >     But is Laura still in The Lodge?  (She was in the Lodge 25
> >     years later... but she wasn't Laura, she was LMFAP's "cousin"
> >     then - same Laura?  Dunno...)  I thought she was saved by
> >     that angel - and perhaps taken to The White Lodge?

Well, perhaps the "thread" that the beings were trying to restore leads to
their real home -- the White Lodge.  Nirvana.  To mix religious metaphors,
that would make BOB a fallen angel, and perhaps the LMFAP the king of the
underworld.  Laura has been purified (or split into her good self and her
doppelganger), but she can't get home until the spirits have completed
whatever it is they have to do.

Somehow I think that Twin Peaks takes place on what will be the final turn
of the Wheel.  It just feels right.


(The other question is, if they couldn't make it back to the White Lodge,
well, where did Major Briggs go?  Any ideas?)

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In article <19h6gkINNphr@gap.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
> >In article <15523@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog
> >here...) writes:
>> >>It seems like you had expectations of your own, though.  You expected
>> >>another episode of Twin Peaks: The Series, building more onto the mysteries
>> >>established in hour after hour of television.

> >Wow Kermit wow! You nailed me here.
...
> >My point exactly. Bravo for making it so clear to me, too.

Whoa.  I'm flattered.  :-)

[more deleted...]

> >In a sentence you have probably distilled David Lynch's 
> >abilities: _powerful_. Yes, if a watcher/listener pays
> >close attention to his movies they grip you like a lamprey
> >and don't let go. If there is anything I remember from
> >TP is David Lynch's ability in knowing how to make a particular
> >scene keep your interest.

The classic example: the second-season premiere, where endless shots
of a doddering room-service waiter and Coop lying on the floor kept
me on the edge of my seat despite being boring as all hell.  :-)

[still more cut...]

>> >>Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me had the potential to do that to audiences.
>> >>Some of the scenes -- Laura with James at the end, and BOB at Laura's
>> >>bookcase -- were the kind of moments that movies live for.  But there
>> >>was still too much stuff that lessened the intensity.

> >You are correct here, but there should be a little respite
>from intensity now and then...so I think that there was
> >a good amount of intensity in the right spots.

Agreed.  My only quibble was that there was too much of the non-intense
stuff that served simply to bewilder, not to build the mood.

 Although some
> >scenes that were undoubtedly intense lost some of its grip
> >due to the sheer difficulty in understanding them. The boy
> >dancing behind Leland (intense, but what was that all about?) 
> >and the LMFAP saying that the table is green (say what?).
> >I think (very personal opinion) that these scenes were very
> >powerful yet very frustrating because as a TP die-hard I have
> >no clue about their significance.  

Well, they engaged my mind, but they didn't wrench my gut the way the
"Hit me" scene from "Blue Velvet", Frank Booth and "In Dreams", or the 
BOB-behind-the-dresser scene did.  Those scenes depict the clash between
the good and evil in characters, in very moving ways, while the convenience
store scene and so forth are merely (?!) stylish surreal film-making that
doesn't grab the emotions.  One style makes you ponder, the other makes
your heart palpitate.

>> >>Now, as a Peaks fan, I liked the first half-hour of the film.  In fact,
>> >>I would have loved to have seen it explored in much greater depth, as a
>> >>separate movie.  A film made strictly with the fannish audience in mind,
>> >>with the somewhat lighter touch of the series.

> >Not really....the best parts about David Lynch are when
> >he is able to sharply contrast an intense scene with
> >some funny remark that shouldn't belong.

Like I said, Cooper on the floor.  And like you say, Andy crying in the
pilot.  The thing is, though, the comedy is mixed with the emotion-tugging
drama in those scenes, rather than being completely separate scenes.  In
the pilot, at the beginning of act two, the first shot is of Sarah Palmer
still sobbing hysterically.  You feel an involuntary urge to laugh -- Jeez,
is she STILL going on? -- but you're left in internal conflict because of
the obvious pain the character is still in.  You feel both the depth and
the humor at once.  There's no one scene in FWWM that mixes the two tones to
that extreme.

> >The impact of this duality is enormous. That's why I say: keep
> >both parts, the funny and the serious. They complement each other.

If they'd been able to mix in a little of this humor into Laura Palmer's
story, I'd have had no problem with that tone.  I love it.  But FWWM
suffered from having the two feelings in separate compartments, the
lightness in Deer Meadow and the heaviness in Twin Peaks.  They couldn't
complement each other in the same way when the tone was so clearly divided
into two parts, IMHO.

> >Final remark: Someone pointed out earlier that this newsgroup
> >has a high signal to noise ratio. To me Kermit's posting was
> >an example of that truism. Kermit could have very easily flamed
> >my reply to his/her posting (his I assume ;-)). Instead he 
> >thought out an excellent reply. 

As did you, UnoJ.  Let's keep the mutual admiration society going
here...  :-)

(btw... "UnoJ"?  Looks suspiciously like backward-masked LodgeSpeak to
me...  :-)

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Looking through some old "Cheers & Jeers"...

I'm surprised that TV Guide, the magazine that jeered the second-season
premiere for being so slow, jeered #2009 for not making sense, jeered the
finale for not wrapping the show up, and has generally boosted Northern
Exposure as being better than Peaks... actually cheered FWWM two or three
weeks ago.  They said that it was a great present for fans, not meant for
the critics who had been deriding it so mercilessly.

And they said that without a hint of irony.  :-)

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> >
> >     Am I rmembering wrong, or did original plotting call for Coop
> >     to fall in love with Audrey while nursing her back to health
> >     after her captivity at One Eyed Jack's?  
> >
> >     Coop sees a parallel to Caroline in this situation, except
> >     he was able to SAVE Audrey.  He won't let her go, he doesn't
> >     care how old she is.  
> >     Windom Earle also sees this as a parallel to Caroline, and
> >     makes plans to render Coop's new love as dead as his old
> >     (Remembering that Caroline was Earle's wife when she and 
> >     Coop fell in love).  
> >     Around the time John Justice Wheeler and Audrey went at
> >     it in the plane - with Pete and the trout standing guard -
> >     COOP and Audrey would have consummated their relationship.
> >     Shortly thereafter, Earle kidnaps Audrey to use as his gift of
> >     Fear and Suffering (not yet Garmonbozia, if we are to believe
> >     Earle's connection to this) at Glastonbury.
> >
> >     Neither Annie Blackburn nor John Justice Wheeler would have
> >     been introduced if one Kyle MacLachlan hadn't refused to
> >     play love scenes with Sherilyn Fenn - not because of anything
> >     personal but because Fenn's character was a minor.

 Was her character a minor? At one point she told Cooper she was 18 when he
 asked her how old she was. Thats another point, notice how many highschool
 students were getting into bars such as the "Roadhouse"?

  I would have liked to see Cooper and Audrey get together but like he said
  in one episode, he didn't want to risk someone he loved again. He was working
  on a case and Audrey was connected to the case so no go.


> >
-=*George*=-



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NOOOOOO!  The Wiseguy people got the idea from Lynch.  I never saw the
actual episodes (perhaps someone could repost what they were all about).
They did air before TP but after the TP pilot had been made.  Everybody
in Hollywood new about TP the pilot (remember all the pre-hype) and
the Wiseguy people took the idea and bent it a bit (lynchboro , a crying
deputy who turns out to be the murderer, etc.)
Todd

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Did anyone happen to watch the most recent Picket Fences with Michael 
Anderson?  There was one scene where they made very clear that they intended 
to make blatant Twin Peaks references.  Rather that getting mad at a "cheap 
rip off," I prefer to think of it as a nice tribute to Lynch and what he 
accomplished with Twin Peaks.

When the circus midget and the lady cop are headed home from their date, she 
talks about what a fun time she had, and says "I never danced like that 
before."  I kinda chucked at that point.  Then he climbs on a bench or 
something to kiss her, and when the kiss, an owl hoots in the background.  
Well at that point, I was rolling on the floor laughing.

I really enjoyed it.  Anyone else?

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In <15902@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> >Looking through some old "Cheers & Jeers"...

> >I'm surprised that TV Guide, the magazine that jeered the second-season
> >premiere for being so slow, jeered #2009 for not making sense, jeered the
> >finale for not wrapping the show up, and has generally boosted Northern
> >Exposure as being better than Peaks... actually cheered FWWM two or three
> >weeks ago.  They said that it was a great present for fans, not meant for
> >the critics who had been deriding it so mercilessly.

> >And they said that without a hint of irony.  :-)

someone in TVGuide likes them, someone hates them.  at some point in
C&J, right after Northern Exposure came out, they jeered the critics
for hailing it as a new and improved Twin Peaks, saying about TP,
"Hey, we like this show."  but i get the feeling that isn't true
about all the staff, and different people write C&J each time.

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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In article <1992Oct1.211758.15568@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
xxxx@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (Name Redacted) writes:
> >   Remember, there were 12 Candles in agent coopers dream.  There are also
> >12 animals in the Chinese Calendar system.  2 of these the Year of the Dog and
> >the Year of the Monkey were included in FWWM.
There are also 12 signs in the zodiac and the 12 days of Christmas and...
:>

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!

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In article <1992Oct2.152356.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> >In article <1992Oct2.175124.3455@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, xxxx@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (Name Redacted) writes:
>> >>      Thats right, Dr. Hayward smashed Ben Horne's head into the fireplace of 
>> >> his home, and yet Dr. Hayward is seen in the very last scene with Sheriff
>> >> Truman before cooper walks into the bathroom and says 'How's Annie?'
>> >> Is this a continuity error?  Or did Dr. Hayward just sort of 'dump Ben
>> >> Hornes body' before coming to the Great Northern??
> >True - Doc Hayward probably is in a lot of trouble and it would be pretty
> >strange for him to be a Coop's bedside the next day.
> >
> >However, I'm not sure it's a valid assumption that Ben Horne is dead .... I
> >mean, getting your head bashed against a fireplace could definitely knock you
> >out, probably do some serious damage, but wouldn't necessarily kill you. 
> >(Unlike, say, being handcuffed to the door of a bank vault that gets blown to
> >smithereens....)
> >
> >Holly

Maddy is killed when Leland smashes her head against the wall; well, he
HAS bashed her up pretty bad as well...  If there is one other person
that gets killed by/thru getting his/her head bashed against something,
then maybe we can talk of Ben being dead with a little more
significance.  So, is there another who dies in this fashion, along with
Maddy, that I am forgetting?

Peter
"hopelessly fighting the devil futility..." R Smith 89


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In article <RJ85RB3w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> >From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
> >Subject: TP Laserdisc Japanese Soundtrack
> >Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 16:10:14 PDT
> >The Japanese have a few stuff that I want.
> >
> >1.) A laserdisc of Twin Peaks soundtrack which includes scenes of the 
> >real Twin Peaks filmed on location with Japanese subtitles on the bottom. 
> >Price -$50 US. (Saw this one at a movie con)
> >
> >2.) A "Peaks Mania" EP CD which contains 5 more tracks than the US 
> >soundtrack. -$35 US
> >
> >I want them both, but have no $
> >
> >It's not fair.

 What else does it have on it? I'd really like some of the love themes from 
the second season. They're real tearjerkers. Also James, Donna, and Maddy's 
song would be OK to have.



> >__________________________________________________________________________
> >   |       /         |\
> >   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us ]

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In article <1992Oct4.120605.20818@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> eitan@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:
> >I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
> >north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
> >town to investigate murder cases.

> >do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?

Other way round.  They saw the TP pilot, which was on the shelf long before
the series premiere, and wrote the Wiseguy storyline around it.

After all, isn't the town called Lynchboro?  BIG HINT.  :-)

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There has been some discussion on this newsgroup about the David Bowie/Philip
Jeffries scene in the Twin Peaks film. I recently purchased a copy of the
FWME Shooting script dated August 1991, and this scene in this early draft of
the script is much much different that what the final cut of FWME came to be.
 
In fact, the whole script is different. It is well known that the film ended
up being very long, and a lot of editing had to take place... For instance 
there are a number of scenes with Doc Hayward, Josie, Sherrif Truman and Andy
Bthat were completely taken out. All in all, I think these scenes were well
taken out to make a more concise film anyway. But I'm still very pleased to
have this early draft because it gives plenty of insights into the Lynch
creative process.

I have early draft scripts to Blue Velvet and Dune, and the same can be said
for them. 

IN the initial versions of the FWME script, there was a scene where we see
Philip Jeffries in Buenos Ares of all places. He is in a hotel lobby and if
I remember correctly (I don't have the script with me) he asks the hotel 
clerk for any messages. Apparently he has one from a person called "Judy".
Then apparently we were supposed to see Jeffries walking into an elevator and
getting out of the elevator into the FBI office in Philadelphia. Jeffries
continues to mutter and jabber about Judy in Gordon Cole's office, and then 
says "I saw them, up in above an old convienince store" This scene then cuts
to the Little Man from another PLace/Bob scene where we also see Mrs. Tremonds
Grandson and Jurgen Pronchow as what the script calls a "Woodsman" This is the
scene where Little Mike delivers the Formica table "Green is its  colour" line.
 
Jeffries then dissappears and Cole, Cooper and Miguel Ferrer (the name of his
character foolishly escapes me) wonder where he went. All in all, we are 
given to believe in this early  draft that Jeffries was following somebody
and spied on the goings on of the people in the convienence store. 
 
 I haven't really explained this to the degree that I wanted to, because I don't
like the keyboard I'm using here, but if anybody would like a photocopy of this
scene from the script, I could mail it to you. Xeroxing the whole script would
take a while and  considering its quite long, I think I'd have to get some kind
of recompense to pay for the paper, but if you're interested feel free to 
email me.
 
 Two last things. The ending in the FWME early draft shooting script that I have
has Laura sitting on Coopers lap in the red curtain room?!
 
And lastly, I think there is no big connection between Jeffries and the 
electric wires and power lines. I think that is a different theme entirely that
Lynch is driving at there. Specifically that perhaps it is strange that there
is so much energy zipping around the city on top of big logs. Lynch has a talentfor making the normal seem strange and abstract, and this is just another one
of those instances.

achapman@unixg.ubc.ca

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There were 12 candles in the dream sequence.  Each possibly standing for a year of the Chinese calendar.
Year of the Monkey  - FWWM
Year of the Dog     - FWWM
Year of the Goat    - Before Andrew Packard hits the Black Box, a flash of
the goat head on the wall is shown.
Year of the Pig     - Josie served the Pig head to catherine and Andrew.
Year of the Horse   - The White Horse.

Are the other 7 animals in the show somewhere?  


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In article <001201c.7.718143902@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct2.152755.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>> >>From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu

>> >>The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
>> >>characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
>> >>America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
>> >>associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
>> >>care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
>> >>conclusions (I haven't drawn any).
>> >>
>> >>Holly
> > 
> > Well, you know, Jeffries' accent sounded more Southern US than South 
> > American. Where did you hear he was from there? And why would J.J. Wheeler be
> > working with an apprentice FBI agent? Jesus, I don't know... the mystery 
> > continues.


Admittedly, I only saw the film twice, but I think I clearly remember some
discussion between Cooper and Cole about Jeffries having been in South America
(not being originally from there, of course).  I wasn't making an argument that
he and Wheeler had worked or would work together - merely pointing out that the
South American theme might be what caused whoever it was on the newsgroup that
connected these 2 characters to do so.

Holly

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In article <1992Oct5.181921.29618@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> xxxx@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (Name Redacted) writes:
> >There were 12 candles in the dream sequence.  Each possibly standing for a year of the Chinese calendar.
> >Year of the Monkey  - FWWM
> >Year of the Dog     - FWWM
> >Year of the Goat    - Before Andrew Packard hits the Black Box, a flash of
> >the goat head on the wall is shown.
> >Year of the Pig     - Josie served the Pig head to catherine and Andrew.
> >Year of the Horse   - The White Horse.
> >
> >Are the other 7 animals in the show somewhere?  
> >

I kinda think that this is just pushing it a bit much...For aren't
these animals more symbols of the demonic, or dark forces, while
the horse represented either/both Mrs. Palmer's drug induced state,
and/or a foreshadowing of death.  The dog looked pretty ominous as
though it was a familiar to a dark magician; the goat was very much like the
images of goats which are symbolic of the devil; the pig too tends
to carry more of a satanic image, for it is symbol of sensuality and gluttony;
according to my book of symbols even the horse is a symbol of lust
(in the Renaissance); then of course there is the owl which is not
in the Chinese calendar, but which in many diverse cultures is 
symbol of evil; the ape is also a very negative symbol in Christian
symbolism for it represents numerous negative character traits.
So not to flame but I don't think that these images are suppose
to represent characters of the Chinese calendar, but instead are
suppose to be visual symbols of the evil and darkness which is
connected to the inhabitants of the Black Lodge.  



Sally--


-- This Space for Rent.

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In article <1992Oct5.171013.22012@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T. Norman) writes:
>> >>However, I'm not sure it's a valid assumption that Ben Horne is dead .... I
>> >>mean, getting your head bashed against a fireplace could definitely knock you
>> >>out, probably do some serious damage, but wouldn't necessarily kill you. 
>> >>(Unlike, say, being handcuffed to the door of a bank vault that gets blown to
>> >>smithereens....)
>> >>
>> >>Holly
> > 
> > Maddy is killed when Leland smashes her head against the wall; well, he
> > HAS bashed her up pretty bad as well...

Agreed, but I would say that Leland possessed by BOB probably has a lot more
strength, especially in relation to Maddy, than a sort of frailish Doc H. does
in relation to Ben H.  It also seems that in Maddy's murder there was a lot
more bashing going on.

Holly

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In article <1992Oct5.171013.22012@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T. Norman) writes:  
> > If there is one other person
> > that gets killed by/thru getting his/her head bashed against something,
> > then maybe we can talk of Ben being dead with a little more
> > significance.  So, is there another who dies in this fashion, along with
> > Maddy, that I am forgetting?
> > 
> > Peter
> > "hopelessly fighting the devil futility..." R Smith 89
> > 


Well, Teresa Banks dies not by getting her head bashed against something, but
by getting something bashed against her head!

Holly

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In article <1992Oct4.120605.20818@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, eitan@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:
> > 
> > I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
> > north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
> > town to investigate murder cases.
> > 
> > do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?
> > 
> > 
> > Eitan Shterenbaum


No I don't think so; if I remember correctly, Taranova was investigating
serial killings of young girls, who died by repeat electrocultion shocks
by a cattle prod.  There just seem to be enough a connection.

Just my two cents worth anyway....


Morgana
************************************************************************
I guess you could say that about most things in life. 
It's not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind
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Finally, finally, finally, fainlly, finally......

An Australian release date has fianlly been announced
for "Fire Walk With Me"!!!!!!


Oh, what is it?December 5.......





Morgana
***********************************************************
I guess you could say that about most things in life. It's
not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.
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I beleive that I was the one who had mentioned the connection. I'm still 
I think that it has something to do with the fact that they both have 
something to do with South America...
Also, not one single soul has elaborated with my 


                       Chet Desmond /

                       Teresa Banks

"love connection". What? Am I just full of it, or is this a reasonable 
evaluation. Remember the stare into the picture. And, he never really 
said that he was in fact going back for the blue rose.

Also, does anyone know if there are any TP fan publications out there? Am 
very interested. If there aren't any major ones, then I'll start one.
-Justice

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     Jim, the gentleman caller, remembers that he used to refer
     to the self-conscious, shy and crippled Amanda (or is it
     Amanda's daughter...?) as "Blue Roses" in high school
     when she had been out sick for a while and he misheard
     her explain that she'd had Pleurosis.

     I didn't see any really self-evident connections in the
     text, and despite screwing up the names here, I do know
     the play really well.  
     The only similarity - probably coincidence, but then in
     literary criticism, authors' intent doesn't really matter
     does it? - is that Blue Roses is essentially a fond code
     name for a debilitating disease.  A mask for a "cancer"
     eating away from the inside out.

     This could be how Gordon Cole sees the Owls, and there
     are certainly masks involved.


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            

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Does anyone know where or when I can get a bootleg copy of FWWM or a 
bootleg directors cut of FWWM? Will pay for it. 
-Justice

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From: Summer Storm

Re: Doc Hayward in the final scene of TP.

If I remember correctly, over the summer, someone said that the 
script says that Doc Hayward knocks Ben unconscious when he 
bashes his head into the fireplace.

Re: GAP
James Marshall is also in a GAP commercial.

Re: Picket Fences
Did you catch the LMFAP riding into Rome on the elephant? 
Following an episode where every victim's hand gets cut off, 
I think they are trying to get that fringe element viewer w/out
alienating main stream viewers the way TP did.

Re: Eric Da Re
Was that Eric Da Re as an extra in Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

Lastly: I heard a song from TP, the series, played in a "romantic" 
scene on General Hospital last week. It was very bizarre; I thought 
I was having an aural hallucination.

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I like that theory which is making the rounds but I need to see FWWM
again to determine if I agree.  I recall that when I was watching
it I thought he was looking for a clue (she had the infamous ring
on in the photo but perhaps we are missing something more in that
pic).  What do others think?

Todd

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In article <RJ85RB3w165w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> > The Japanese have a few stuff that I want.
> > 
> > 1.) A laserdisc of Twin Peaks soundtrack which includes scenes of the 
> > real Twin Peaks filmed on location with Japanese subtitles on the bottom. 
> > Price -$50 US. (Saw this one at a movie con)
> > 
> > 2.) A "Peaks Mania" EP CD which contains 5 more tracks than the US 
> > soundtrack. -$35 US



Here are the Warner items I found in Japan.  Prices are what you would
pay in Japan, and do not include import to the US.  (Dollars are 
calculated using a rate of Y120=$1.)  Part numbers are for Japan, and 
may not match the US part numbers.  


Twin Peaks Original Soundtrack     (CD :WPCP-4035)  Y2400  ($20.00)
Twin Peaks Visual Soundtrack       (VHS:WPVP-9083)  Y4500  ($37.50)
Twin Peaks Visual Soundtrack       (LD :WPLP-9083)  Y4500  ($37.50)
Peaks Mania EP                     (CD :WPCP-4848)  Y2000  ($16.67)
Twin Peaks FWWM Soundtrack         (CD :WPCP-4919)  Y2400  ($20.00)
Twin Peaks Theme CD-Single (FWWM)  (CD :WPDP-6296)  Y 900  ($ 7.50)


I know that the TP Original Sountrack is available in the US on CD.  
Does anyone know if any others items listed above are available here?


I also read something while in Japan about On The Air being released 
on video, in Japan.  Probably all six episodes.  Can someone who is 
currently in Japan confirm this?  Manuel?


Thanks,
Fred

--
Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300

"Nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup collides with ham."
  -- Dale Cooper, FBI Special Agent

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In article <001201c.15.718305405@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
<In article <RJ85RB3w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
<>From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
<>Subject: TP Laserdisc Japanese Soundtrack
<>Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 16:10:14 PDT
<>The Japanese have a few stuff that I want.
<>
<>1.) A laserdisc of Twin Peaks soundtrack which includes scenes of the 
<>real Twin Peaks filmed on location with Japanese subtitles on the bottom. 
<>Price -$50 US. (Saw this one at a movie con)
<>
<>2.) A "Peaks Mania" EP CD which contains 5 more tracks than the US 
<>soundtrack. -$35 US
<>
<>I want them both, but have no $
<>
<>It's not fair.
<
< What else does it have on it? I'd really like some of the love themes from 
<the second season. They're real tearjerkers. Also James, Donna, and Maddy's 
<song would be OK to have.
<
And:
(a) the Owl Cave map theme
(b) the waiting room music (not just Jimmy Scott)

Jan Bielawski
Computervision, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com


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hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> >In article <001201c.4.718042779@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:

> >(stuff deleted)

>> >> Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
>> >> Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
>> >> was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.

> >The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
> >characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
> >America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
> >associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
> >care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
> >conclusions (I haven't drawn any).

I think people are getting a little carried away with all of this 
speculation on a connection to J.J Wheeler.  Wheeler returned to
the rain forests of *Brazil* because his business partner died,
whereas Jeffries was in Buenos Aires (*Argentina*).

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cjc@kranac.com (Chris Clark) writes:

> >My apologies if this is a FAQ ...

It is a FAQ, but since nobody maintains or posts the FAQ list any more, it's
OK.

> >Anyone know of a video store/mail order house in the that has *all* of the Twin Peaks episodes for sale/rent? The local Blockbuster Video has only the first
> >seven episodes. I watched them all when I was home sick one day and now I can't
> >wait to see the rest!

The 2nd season (episodes 8-29, or 2001-2022 if you prefer) have not yet
been released in the US yet.  There are rumors that they may be released
soon, but nothing definite yet.

For now, you'll have to find someone (like me) willing to make copies
of their broadcast tapes.

-- Jim

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In article <7327@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> igo@hri.com (Frederick J. Igo) writes:

> >I also read something while in Japan about On The Air being released 
> >on video, in Japan.  Probably all six episodes.  Can someone who is 
> >currently in Japan confirm this?  Manuel?

I have just read about the video releases in Japan for this month:

"On the air" won't be released this month. 
Nor will be FWWM (video or LD).
The announced TP tv series LD re-release will not be out either.

But nobody knows what November will bring us.


Manuel@Japan
 "Life is full of misteries, Donna" -- Laura Palmer
--
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp

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jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> > In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) wr
>> > >In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
>> > >on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:
> > 
>> > >"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
>> > >formica table."
> > 
>> > >The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
>> > >if they were exactly the same entities.
> > 
> > Well, the LMFAP and Michael J. "Mike" Anderson, the actor who plays him,
> > are in a sense "one and the same".
> > 
 
I don't think that's what the script means.  It doesn't have any of the 
other actors/actresses names in parentheses after the characters' names, 
so why should Michael Anderson's name be included this way?  I don't see 
what else it could mean other than that LMFAP and Mike are the same 
entity.  In a way it makes sense, since we were able to see the "true 
face" of BOB and not just the host he was inhabiting, we should also be 
there should also be some being that represents the true form of Mike.  
I mean, why should we be shown what BOB looks like, but not Mike?

..

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Hi, We are a couple of guys who are making a kind of competition with
a TwinPeaks theme, but there are a few things we need to know:

1. What are the full names of Andy and Hawk?
2. Did Ben Horne utter any cool quotes when he thought he was
   fieldmarshal for the southern armies (or at any other time)?
3. Are there any good FTPsites with .GIF-pictures from TP?

More questions as they pop up in our head...

Please answer by Email to c91jonho@und.ida.liu.se

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A purely pro-forma spoiler, but if you haven't scene the concluding
episode of Twin Peaks, you probably shouldn't read the following.

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In article <15892@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
   In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) writes:
   >In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
   >on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:

   >"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
   >formica table."

   >The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
   >if they were exactly the same entities.

   Well, the LMFAP and Michael J. "Mike" Anderson, the actor who plays him,
   are in a sense "one and the same".

Remember, Mike is the name of the ``inhabiting spirit'' who possesses
Philip Gerard, just as ``Bob'' is the name of the inhabiting spirit
who possessed Leland, tried to possess Laura, and later possessed
Cooper.  Gerard is not Mike, no more than Leland was Bob, although
each hosts an inhabiting spirit.  So the LMFAP is Mike's ``true face''
just as Killer Bob is Bob's ``true face''.  I don't think there's
anything here beyond that, although the information that the LMFAP was
Mike's true face is interesting.  What does this mean about Cooper's
dream, in which he saw both Gerard and the LMFAP/Mike?  So we have
three pairs of humans/inhabiting spirits:

Gerard - Mike
Leland - Bob (later: Cooper - Bob)
The Room Service Waiter (Senor Droolcup) - The Giant (whose name we do
not know)

Does it mean anything that we know the Giant's true face, but not his
name?  (Note also, that we don't know his human host's name, either.)

-30-
Bob
--
-30-
Bob Ingria

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In alt.tv.twin-peaks, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> > In article <14740058@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>> > >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:
>>> > >> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(
> > 
>> > >YAAAAYYYY!!
> > 
> > Care to elaborate?  Or is this just random Lynch-bashing?

Nope.  I loved TP on tv.  You can see my feelings about the
movie by looking up my reactions to it in this forum.

I think it is time for TP to just die and exist as an artistic
statement without further adulteration, even by the creator.

doug

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[Bob Ingria's speculations equating the LMFAP to Mike the
 spirit possessing Gerard the OAM deleted for brevity.]

But doesn't the LMFAP specifically state in FWWM, "I am the arm"?
If so, would this make the LMFAP the evil portion of Mike/Gerard
which was excised upon beholding the face of god?  Or something
else entirely?  Mike (the spirit) is opposed to Bob, or at least
Bob's killings.  The LMFAP seems a more ambiguously motivated
entity -- I would hesitate to go by a script note which may, as
someone else noted, be no more than a reference to the actor's
name.

Still Wondering After All These Years,

Michael S. Rooney

"Cable bends steel!"

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OK. I've only received one line of input about my Chet in love with 
Teresa theory. Are you people blind to true love? Hell, I almost fell in 
love with Teresa just by seeing that picture that Leland is looking at of 
her in Flesh World. Well, discarding everything, does anyone have an 
opinion that would oppose mine and prove my "Love holds the key" theory 
wrong?

-Justice

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   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us ]

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              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
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Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
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Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
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Haven't heard enough [ ]
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5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
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6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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In article <1992Oct6.090035.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Finally, finally, finally, fainlly, finally......
> > 
> > An Australian release date has fianlly been announced
> > for "Fire Walk With Me"!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, what is it?December 5.......
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Morgana
> > ***********************************************************
> > I guess you could say that about most things in life. It's
> > not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.
> > ***********************************************************

Any word on the New Zealand release date?

Richard.


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In article <ld69csINNa2i@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> > 
> > A purely pro-forma spoiler, but if you haven't scene the concluding
> > episode of Twin Peaks, you probably shouldn't read the following.
> > 
> > ======================================================================
> > Gerard is not Mike, no more than Leland was Bob, although
> > each hosts an inhabiting spirit.  So the LMFAP is Mike's ``true face''
> > just as Killer Bob is Bob's ``true face''.  I don't think there's
> > anything here beyond that, although the information that the LMFAP was
> > Mike's true face is interesting.  What does this mean about Cooper's
> > dream, in which he saw both Gerard and the LMFAP/Mike?  So we have
> > three pairs of humans/inhabiting spirits:
> > 
> > Gerard - Mike
> > Leland - Bob (later: Cooper - Bob)
> > The Room Service Waiter (Senor Droolcup) - The Giant (whose name we do
> > not know)
> > 
> > Does it mean anything that we know the Giant's true face, but not his
> > name?  (Note also, that we don't know his human host's name, either.)
> > 
> > -30-
> > Bob


Well, since you keep using the phrase "true face," I have to ask:  What exactly
does the OAM/Mike/Gerard mean when he says he looked into "the face of God"?

Holly

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In article <MJ1078.92Oct7111036@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> I wrote:

>> >>   "On the air" won't be released this month. 

But i have to correct it. "ON THE AIR VOL.1" will be released in Japan this
month (Oct 23). It is a 75 minutes tape, so i assume it will contain the
first 3 episodes.
And if they say vol. 1 we can expect that there will be a vol. 2, isn't it?

And for the LD of the TV series, i was told in August that it will be 
re-released in Oct., but there is no ad nor nothing on the LD magazines.
Anyway, i will ask the next time i go to the city (maybe this Saturday).


   Manuel@Japan   <pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>
   "Life is full of misteries, Donna" -- Laura Palmer


--
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp

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Mini-non-spoilers for The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer
(which is pretty good, BTW)


I was reading the Diary and Laura writes that
Bobby (played by Dana Ashbrook on TV) says
something like "A coupla regular Bonnie and
Clydes."

I just thought that this was interesting since
Dana Ashbrook played Clyde in a movie (made-
for-TV, I think) about Bonnie and Clyde.
(which is pretty good, BTW)

Just thought I'd share that with you,

===============================================================================
Matt Brockman                                           mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "While a llama may produce some of the world's finest of wools, prized
        around the world, their breath, on the other hand, could only 
            be prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell."
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Mobys "GO" sounds very familiar. Also, The Mob, and The One Eyed Jacks 
did mixes of TP songs. One not worth getting is the cover of Falling by 
the Wedding Present on Hit Parade I. It REALLY sucks. I could do better 
than that. Also, since no one sent me any addresses of existing TP fan 
clubs, I'm putting a fanzine of my own together. Anyone want to help, 
feel free to write me. The only thing I'm stuck on is the title? How 
about it? Any titles?
-Justice
P.S. Bootleg ARE out. It's just a matter of time before I get one. A 
friend of mine in NY said that theres 22 extra minutes. Hmmm.

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In article <14740060@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> >
>> >> In article <14740058@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>>> >> >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:
>>>> >> >> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(
>> >> 
>>> >> >YAAAAYYYY!!
>> >> 
>> >> Care to elaborate?  Or is this just random Lynch-bashing?
> >

As Frankenstein's Monster said to his Bride:
"We belong dead."


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I'm not convinced that the "rules" of the Black Lodge denizens are so
specific regarding which entity is the "true face", which is the
"host" etc.  Are we to assume, for example, that if the One-armer
looked into a mirror, he'd see the Dwarf looking back at him?  Perhaps
MIKE and BOB operate by different rules.  Furthermore, the Waiter and
the Giant aren't necessarily related in that way either, as I recall,
one or the other says "One and the same", which could be interpreted
in a variety of different ways.  The "metaphysics" of Twin Peaks are
never really unambiguously laid out.  I'm not even entirely certain
about the relationship between the inhabiting spirit and the inhabited
host.  Leland began to resemble BOB and began to betray his
otherworldly connections by dancing compulsively.  Was this merely BOB
egging the investigators on by giving them more and more clues, yet
staying one step ahead at all times?  We certainly never see Phil Gerard
compulsively dance or take on characteristics of MIKE.  

My guess is that when BOB inhabits people he tends to shift forms a
fair amount for his own amusement (and for dramatic purposes of
course) whereas MIKE prefers a constant state.  But who can say?  Does
Mrs. Tremond inhabit anyone?  Do they all have "familiars" and hosts?

One of my pet theories about TP has always been that the forces of
good and the forces of evil are somewhat organized into particular
relationships, whether in the "real" world or in the shadows of the
supernatural.  A perfect example of that is MIKE and BOB in the Black
Lodge being paralleled by Mike and Bobby in our world, a relationship
that Laura obliquely comments upon in FWWM.  Both sets are partners in
crime.  What light this sheds on things is unclear, but I see it as
one of the themes of TP - that there are peculiar parallels between
our world and the spirit realm and more importantly, specific
character dynamics which almost amount to a hierarchy of good and
evil.  There are constant battles between people and their "superiors"
(people who have more power) such as the various conflicts between
federal and local authorities (both in FWWM and Albert's early
relations with Truman), Bobby being scared by Leo, who is in turn
intimidated by Hank, who ultimately gets beaten up by Nadine :-)  You
get the picture.  

My other pet theory, which might also shed some light on things, is
that the Dwarf and the Giant and the various other denizens of the
Lodges, really are the dwarves, giants, wizards and witches of
folklore but that they have simply changed with the times - dwarves
(or at least this one) seem to favor kind of a Vegas look, whereas
modern day giants favor natty white shirts and bow ties.  MIKE, a sort
of sorcerer type, seems to have abandoned the robes and pointy hats of
his forebears in favor of more practical gear.  Mrs. Tremond is
clearly in the classic Crone mode.  My point here being, the
relationships between mythological creatures might shed some light on
the relationships between these modern manifestations.

- Dan

--
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| Dan Parmenter       |"I'm waiting for a time, when I can do without these  |
| dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu  | things that make me feel this way all of the time"   |
|                     |                            - Spiritualized           |
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An avid TP fan, I have yet to see a good portion of the second
season!  Is there any kind, sympathetic soul out there who
may be willing to help me out on this one?  Of course compensation
will be made for the time, tape, and postage.  Please either
post a response or email me at:

    derrigfj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

We'll talk terms.  

Thank you in advance!
Frank Derrigo
   

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Pam (sorry, forgot the last name, and my editor doesn't automatically
include the header) writes:

> >Oh..YES...YES...OH...OH...YES...   Well, needless to say, I loved it!!!

Are you sure you weren't watching _When Harry Met Sally_?   :)
And where can we meet?

> > Getting to the whole point of this posting...I'm confused on a
> > couple of things about the movie.  What is the deal with David Bowie's
> > character? and What's the deal with Cooper's image remaining on the
> > security screen?

Join the confused crowd.  David Bowie plays time-travelling FBI agent
Phillip Jefferies.  We think he has managed to observe Mike and BOB
in their meetings above the convenience store.  He is sort of phase-
shifted in time, appearing briefly to warn Gordon whatever he can.

Coop explained to Gordon that he had had a dream about the morning that
it happened, so he kept going into the control room to see if the
"frozen time" effect had happened.

Hey, I know it's a crummy explanation, but it's all I can muster.
Welcome to the net

Brian
.sig on file with NSA


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In article <MJ1078.92Oct8113011@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes:
> >
> >In article <MJ1078.92Oct7111036@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> I wrote:
> >
>>> >>>   "On the air" won't be released this month. 
> >
> >But i have to correct it. "ON THE AIR VOL.1" will be released in Japan this
> >month (Oct 23). It is a 75 minutes tape, so i assume it will contain the
> >first 3 episodes.
> >And if they say vol. 1 we can expect that there will be a vol. 2, isn't it?
> >

OK, aftering hearing the name "ON THE AIR" tossed around lately, I
just have to know, what the heck is it?  I assume that it is an old TV
show, but what is it about?
Thanks,



-- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

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HI all,
I am wondering if some kind soul could tell me the author of
the autobiagraphical book on Special Agent Cooper.  Also, how well
does it fit in with the show?
Thanks,
-- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

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   Jill Rosencranz pointed this clarification out to me in email:

   Jim, the Gentleman Caller in the play, used to call LAURA
   "Blue Roses" in high school because she told him she'd had
   pleurosis and he thought she'd said Blue Roses.  

   (I'd forgotten Laura was her name and called her Amanda, who
    is Laura's mother in the play).

   I'm not calling this anything more than a coincidence... but
   Laura (not Palmer) was hopelessly in love with Jim during
   high school (the play takes place 6 years later), and she
   regarded the "Blue Roses" nickname (or code-name, as in FWWM)
   as her connection to love.  Her only connection.  

   In FWWM, a Blue Rose is code for a connection to the "weird
   happenings" in the Twin Peaks area.

   Again, nothing more than a coincidence, and I wouldn't draw
   any more elaborate a parallel between the play and FWWM...
   but isn't it interesting just HOW MANY of these coincidences
   are out there? 

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            

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In article <1b1rtdINN1sl@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes:
> >I am wondering if some kind soul could tell me the author of
> >the autobiagraphical book on Special Agent Cooper.  Also, how well
> >does it fit in with the show?

Scott Frost.  It "fits" with the show in that they don't conflict, but there
are a few conflicts with the movie, such as who discovered the first letter
under the nail.

wayne
-- Wayne Wylupski {...!}uunet!inmet!wayne wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com

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ARRRrrrggghhhh!!!!!!!
 
I just started innocently nosing around this conference when I realised what
you were all talking about... Fire Walk With Me!!!
 
WE HAVEN"T SEEN THAT IN OZ YET!!!
 
Guess I'll have to be content with my treasured video of the last episode of
the TV series (taped from telly).
 
How's Annie? How's Annie??
 
 
Recently saw "Eraserhead"- strange movie. I didn't think the guy who plays
Pete Martell should look so young- wasn't "Eraserhead" made in the 70s? If
anyone can explain the plot, you must Be David Lynch under a psuedonym...
 
 
                                 Nipper

--- Maximus 2.01wb
 * Origin: THE WHITE LODGE (3:712/605)

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[During an interview about project Grudge/Blue Book on a radio talk show
 the following sequence occured.]
 
RB: Mt. Rainier, Maryland?
 
BE: Right.  And after that there were several dozens of sightings.
    Washington at one point in the mid-fifties was buzzed by UFO's --
    Washington, D.C. -- the Capital Building.
 
RB: Was buzzed by a UFO?
 
BE: UFO's.  --
 
RB: By several?
 
BE: Several.
 
RB: And this is when?
 
BE: The mid-fifties, I believe it was.
 
RB: Okay.  Now was this widely seen and reported?
 
BE: Well, it was widely seen and it was reported somewhat until it was
    suddenly stopped by executive order.  And --
 
...
 
RB: All right Derek.  And let's go to Bill in Denver.
 
Bill: Yes, you know, this sounds almost like we need the zither in Orson
      Welles with the third man theme.
 
RB: Yeah, it sure does.
 
Bill: And remember our friend John, Rick.  Years ago?
 
RB: Oh yes, of course I do.  Anyway, go ahead and ask Bill a question.
 
Bill: Well, it isn't a matter of asking the question, uh, it's a matter
      -- I don't know of any Mt. Rainier in Maryland. As a matter of
      fact, when I was in Maryland, I never saw a mountain in Maryland.
      Mt. Rainier is in Washington.
 
BE: You're absolutely right and I stand corrected.  It is in Washington.

--                    
INTERNET:  jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
UUCP:   ...!ryptyde!netlink!jim
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115

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Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley

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In article <1992Oct4.120605.20818@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> eitan@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:

   I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
   north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
   town to investigate murder cases.

   do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?

Maybe.  I think Lynch has an interstingly twisted notion of reality
and an essentially visual take on life.  And that when something comes
along that intrigues him, he will use it some way.  I suspect that
there are lots of influences on _Twin Peaks_ that we still haven't
noticed, becasue they are so idionsyncratic.

As a possible example, I present the following.  A few days ago, I saw
a video for the J. Geilss Band song ``Centerfold'', about a guy who
discovers that his high-school love (``angel'') is now a centerfold.
It has the requisite chorus of nubile young women, parading around
Peter Wolff during each stanza.  They're all wearing black and white
shoes and the camera does a close up on their feet at the start of
each circuit.  Is the close up on Audrey's black and white pumps
influenced by this?  Is the whole idea of a high-school innocent who
winds up in a skin magazine, echoed by Laura in _Fleshworld_?  After
TP, it's hard not to see possible connections, but I can't be sure.

-30-
Bob


--
-30-
Bob Ingria

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In article <1992Oct7.213623.16014@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:

   [Bob Ingria's speculations equating the LMFAP to Mike the
    spirit possessing Gerard the OAM deleted for brevity.]

   But doesn't the LMFAP specifically state in FWWM, "I am the arm"?

Yep, that's a problem with the hypothesis.  Unless, somehow,
possession by these inhabiting spirits is through the hand/arms.  This
would explain Theresa's numbness, and the shaking hands in the
antepenultimate episode of the series.  It suggests the following:
Phil Gerard is possessed, realizes it, and cuts off his arm to escape
possession.  Since his arm is cut off, he is harder to possess than
those who retain their arm (Leland, The Waiter); but he is still
subject to posession, hence the need to use the blue chemical (name
forgotten, sorry) to keep off Mike.  Going against this is the
curiosity that Cooper saw Mike with the face of Philip Gerard in his
dream.  Normally, he sees the host (Leland, the Room Servie Waiter) in
this world, and the ``true face'' (Bob, The Giant) in dreams or in the
Lodges.  Although Senor Drool Cup did appear in the Lodge; the
relation of where hosts and their inhabiting spirits appear may be
complicated.

   If so, would this make the LMFAP the evil portion of Mike/Gerard
   which was excised upon beholding the face of god?  Or something
   else entirely?  Mike (the spirit) is opposed to Bob, or at least
   Bob's killings.  The LMFAP seems a more ambiguously motivated
   entity

As I've said before, I think FWWM throws a lot of doubt on the bona
fides and intentions of Mike and the LMFAP (whether they are one and
the same or not), so I'd hesitate on buying into Mike's story about
excising his evil.

-30-
Bob
--
-30-
Bob Ingria

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 Aha! In FWWM, just after Bobby blows that dealer away, Laura keeps saying 
"You killed Mike..."  Could this mean that she thinks this world's Mike is 
dead, so she completely gives up hope. This is regarding the stuff someone 
else was writing about concerning the Mike and Bobby in Twin Peaks somehow
parallel the Mike and BOB in the lodge. I know this is not the generally 
accepted theory, but I can't think of any other reason Laura would say that, 
unless it was just because she was completely stoned. Mike the one-armed man 
represented the good side of the Mike/BOB situation, and after this act of 
evil, she could have given up hope completely, leading to her putting on the 
ring in the train car. 
 If Bobby "killed Mike" then that would leave BOB to wreak havoc however he 
wanted. God, I'm getting desparate...

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A purely pro-forma spoiler, but if you haven't scene the concluding
episode of Twin Peaks or FWWM, you probably shouldn't read the
following.

======================================================================


In article <1992Oct7.211029.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
   In article <ld69csINNa2i@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

   > Gerard is not Mike, no more than Leland was Bob, although
   > each hosts an inhabiting spirit.  So the LMFAP is Mike's ``true face''
   > just as Killer Bob is Bob's ``true face''.  I don't think there's
   > anything here beyond that, although the information that the LMFAP was
   > Mike's true face is interesting.  What does this mean about Cooper's
   > dream, in which he saw both Gerard and the LMFAP/Mike?  So we have
   > three pairs of humans/inhabiting spirits:
   > 
   > Gerard - Mike
   > Leland - Bob (later: Cooper - Bob)
   > The Room Service Waiter (Senor Droolcup) - The Giant (whose name we do
   > not know)
   > 
   > Does it mean anything that we know the Giant's true face, but not his
   > name?  (Note also, that we don't know his human host's name, either.)

   Well, since you keep using the phrase "true face,"

This was Mike/Gerard's term.  Remember, when Cooper shows him the
sketch of Bob, he says: ``That is his true face'', as opposed to that
of the one he was possessing.  So I just mean, the face (or form) of
the inhabiting spirit, not the human host.

      I have to ask:  What exactly
   does the OAM/Mike/Gerard mean when he says he looked into "the face of God"?

I believe he says: ``But when I saw the face of God, I was changed''.
At any rate, I no longer believed Mike has reformed.  I think he is
still after the garmonbozia from violent death, and that his falling
out with Bob is merely an argument between thieves, as it were, not a
result of real change on Mike's part.  At any rate, his actions in
FWWM are so ambiguous, that I no longer take anything he said at face
value.  So I think he's just lying here.  But, obviously, I could be
wrong.

Speaking of which, remember that in the scene when Gerard/Mike is
debriefed at the Police Station, he and Cooper recite the ``Fire Walk
With Me'' poem/spell.  Could this have been necessary for Cooper's
eventual possession?  Everyone else who says this is either an
inhabiting spirit or the host of an inhabiting spirit.  Note that
Leland/Bob recites it before Bob ``pulls the cord'' on Leland.
Perhaps it is part of a ceremony that transports the speaker to the
other world?  Or perhaps it is part of the ritual of possession?
--
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Bob Ingria

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In article <DAN.92Oct8090022@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:

   I'm not convinced that the "rules" of the Black Lodge denizens are so
   specific regarding which entity is the "true face", which is the
   "host" etc.

Yes, you're almost certainly right.  (Part of this is probably that
Lynch et al have been making parts of it up as they go along; and part
of it is that we just haven't seen enough of the appropriate entities
to know what's really going on.)

   One of my pet theories about TP has always been that the forces of
   good and the forces of evil are somewhat organized into particular
   relationships, whether in the "real" world or in the shadows of the
   supernatural.  A perfect example of that is MIKE and BOB in the Black
   Lodge being paralleled by Mike and Bobby in our world, a relationship
   that Laura obliquely comments upon in FWWM.  Both sets are partners in
   crime.  What light this sheds on things is unclear, but I see it as
   one of the themes of TP - that there are peculiar parallels between
   our world and the spirit realm and more importantly, specific
   character dynamics which almost amount to a hierarchy of good and
   evil.

I think is was James Blish who had one of his characters say: ``The
laws of magic are not so much illogical as analogical.''  Think also
of the magical principle of the law of correspondences; e.g. to invoke
a particular spiritual force, you dress in the color particular to
that being, eat the food favored by him/her, etc.  I think you're
right on the money here.

   My other pet theory, which might also shed some light on things, is
   that the Dwarf and the Giant and the various other denizens of the
   Lodges, really are the dwarves, giants, wizards and witches of
   folklore but that they have simply changed with the times - dwarves
   (or at least this one) seem to favor kind of a Vegas look, whereas
   modern day giants favor natty white shirts and bow ties.  MIKE, a sort
   of sorcerer type, seems to have abandoned the robes and pointy hats of
   his forebears in favor of more practical gear.  Mrs. Tremond is
   clearly in the classic Crone mode.  My point here being, the
   relationships between mythological creatures might shed some light on
   the relationships between these modern manifestations.

There are various analysts who say similar things about UFOs, etc.
i.e. that they appear in the guise appropriate to the age in which
they are found: imps in the medieval period, balloonists in the 19th
century, extra-terrestrials in the 20th, etc.  Whether one buys that
for ``the real world'', you're probably right about what's goin on in
TP.

Wonderful post, by the way!  I truly enjoyed it.

-30-
Bob
--
-30-
Bob Ingria

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I totally agree with the fact that twin peaks should just be considered as an
artistic work and not to be picked apart, but i also think that David Lynch 
needs a break from it and should come out with another TP movie perhaps is the
years to come, just to keep the us interested and all.
I enjoy just rewatching the past episodes but that is just me so, i dont mean
to offend anyone, it is always interesting to see others opinions, that is 
what art is all about - making one think.  so basically i just contradict 
myself, Lynch- look what you do to me!
matt

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Its interesting that you mention Peter Wolf from the J. Geils Band and that you
make this connection. There could be more to it than you indeed suggest.

I saw Peter Wolf on the David Letterman show a couple of years ago and he 
mentioned that he used to be David Lynch's roomate in when they were going to
school together. He said something to the effect that "David and I were pretty
different kinds of people. He was sort of a preppy guy and I eventually got
kicked out on good terms because he thought I was too weird.". The audience
laughed and then Letterman said, "HE thought YOU were too weird?" and the audience laughed again.


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I haven't seen this officially mentioned yet (on rec.video.releases
anyway) so here it is; all of the Twin Peaks TV episodes are going
to be re-released on laser disc in japan again.  However, it will
not be a single humongous set like the previous release; here's the
breakdown:

Set 1 (1st Season) : $160 (due out later this month [October]
Set 2 (2nd Season pt.1) : $220 (release date in japan: 11/10)
Set 3 (2nd Season pt.2) : $220 (release date in japan: 11/20)

This is according to the people I've talked to at Mikado Laser Japan
in San Francisco.  They've told me that they've ordered a few sets,
but if you want to guarantee a copy, you should make a deposit soon.
They told me that it might already be a little too late to make a
deposit for the 1st set, but you can try anyway.  The above US
prices are what Mikado is asking BTW; I don't know how much other
import places are pricing it at.  Mikado's phone number is: (415) 
922-9450; Fax: (415) 922-1682.  I think they're asking a 50% deposit
with the balance due when the sets come in.  If you need the snail
mail address, E-mail me.

Also, if I've read my japanese video magazine correctly, "Twin
Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" will be released for rental in japan on
11/20 (yen price is Y15800; they haven't priced for selling yet).
There was no word about an LD release, but if I had to guess, I'd
say late December (another japanese movie, "Gundam F-91" was
similarly released quickly to video in almost the same kind of
time-frame that FWWM is: theatrical release around mid-year, quick
video release late summer/early fall, then LD/"Final" version in
December).  

I think "On the Air" is scheduled for release 10/23 (again in
japan).  I'm told there will be 3 eps per video?

-- * Steve Mah smah@sdcc13.ucsd.EDU * * * * "Is it safe?" * ***************************************************************

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I know some people were aware of the David Lynch interview in The issue of
Premiere magazine, in the June 1992 edition. One of the advantages of being
Canadian, and as many Canadians would also argue, one of the disadvantages is
being bilingual. So, I took the time to translate this interview, and I'll
reprint it here for the benefit of my fellow David Lynch enthusiasts. There
was the odd word here and there that I had trouble with but I think I got
everything corret in the end.

So in the spirit of The Great Went himself, Jaques Renault (that crazy French-
Canadian), I dedicate this interview to him. I hope you folks find it 
informative.
A quick note, for those of you who have yet to see Fire Walk with Me, especially
our Australian friends (Weddings, Parties, Anything fans?) there might be the
odd SPOILER in this interview, so I suggest you print it out or keep it, and
read it later.

Here you are:

DAVID LYNCH interview from French  Edition of Premiere Magazine, Translated by
AARON CHAPMAN, interview by Michael Torello. June 1992.

Lynch is an extraterrestrial. he dresses like a schoolboy, as though  an 
adolescent from the 60's, *somthing* [peints de toiles] is voluntarily bad,
he collects dead flies and photographs of organs. His style in "The Elephant
Man", "Blue Velvet" and "Sailor and Lula"--are balanced between absolute  
obscurity as in Eraserhead and grotesque black comedy. In "Twin Peaks" (the 
film) there are both of these elements: satanic conspiracy, and a police
inquiry. David Lynch who is 46 years old has a warped and terrifying vision
of America. His obsessions are sometimes confined to hermitism. Twin Peaks
recounts the last week before the death of Laura Palmer.

Q:Firstly, what drove you to make Twin Peaks?
DL: Well, its Laura Palmer herself, you see?
 
Q:No, I don't understand.
DL: I felt like finding her again and talking about her life. In the television
series they talked about events that surrounded her and the events that were
discovered after her death. After all, the series began with her death.
 
Q: What effect did it have on you to find all these characters again?
DL: I loved it.
 
Q:Aren't you tired of Twin Peaks? Its been two or three years since you've
lived {been} with them.
DL: Yes, three years. BUt I still love them.
 
Q: Concerning the asthetics of the film, is it very different from the series?
DL: No, they follow the same rules. I guess we filmed in the same place in
the north where the same wind blows. There is an ambience there... Anyhow,
the series was done on film rather than video. When we did the pilot episode,
we presented it to the producers and it worked right away. People were hooked
right away, there was something that attracted the viewers. I think that its
Laura Palmer, her murderer, who was she, and what happened. In fact, the 
mystery remains unsolved in the TV series and even the film. There are hints
in the film that are not fully explored. I like this idea a lot. Nothing is a
dead-end, there are still some things which can appear.
 
Q: You are a painter. John Huston bought some of your work?
DL: I had alread made some films, he bought some of my paintings in an art 
gallery in Puerto Vallerta, while I was working on DUNE in Mexico, and I was
painting at the sme time. I was contacted and asked to do two expositions, one
in Mexico and one in Peurto Vallerta. Huston lived there, and Freddy Francis who
was the the photographic director of DUNE had worked on "Moby Dick", knew
Huston. And that's how we me. He liked my work. He was very friendly. For me, he
was an idol, but the tone of our meeting was very casual.
 
Q:Do you admire his films?
DL: Yes, but they are not the only thing that inspire me. I loved "The Misfits".
 
Q: Painting is one of your sources of inspiration.
DL:Mmmm....
 
Q: One of your favorite painters is Bushnell Keeler.
DL: He was the father of one of my friends. He didn't influence but he changed
my life. I was living in Boise, Idaho until I was fourteen years old. There are
no artists there. There are only painters in buildings. I'm not criticizing that
, but its different. But understand that I still love that city. But for me
painters were old fashioned, and there weren't any in the modern world. Then I 
met Toby Keeler whose Dad was a painter. Everything changed. I realized that
anybody could be an artist. Toby took me to see his Dad's studio in Georgetown.
We went the day after I first met him. Two years later I took over the studio
when Bushnell moved to Virginia.
 
Q: Was it he that made you discover that there are other things than "what on\
the surface" as you often say?
DL: No, that's everyday life. Everyone knows that. For me, life is layers of
reality. There are lots of things which turn up under the surface at different
levels. There are sub-atomic particles which we can't see, but they are there.
There are strange forces which act on us. We can choose to ignore them but they
are still there. They are sometimes inside us. We are the victims.
 
Q: How does this translate to your life?
DL: Its enough just to walk down the street. We are siezed by strange ideas,
strange desires...

Q: And the other forms of art like sculpture, music and literature?
DL:
   A bit of Sculpture, yes. As far as Literature goes, I don't know very much.
I wasn't very proficient in that area, I couldn't express myself with words. I 
didn't read, and I buried mysefl in this silence. One thing that I liked was
Franz Khafka.

Q: And the movies?
DL: In Boise,  Idaho we saw some pretty banal [des choses banales] things. But
I liked that. Presley for sure. Movies like "The Fly", "The Creature from the
Black Lagoon", "The THing"... The theatre was called the Vista theatre. I 
went quite often.

Q:Frankly, our image of you is of a very strange type of person. Are you?
DL: No, I'm very normal. Very normal. If your neighbour was a scientist,
you'd find it normal that he studied certain illnesses [la maladie]. In the
world of illnesses, there are wonderfull abstractions and strange intuitions.
In films, we work with all sorts of things, indescribeable sources of 
inspiration... Its my job.

Q:But you keep, for example, used chewing gum in a beaker [un bocal]?
DL:Yes, its a very interesting pink substance. I asked my daughter to save them
for me. Its a very surprising substance to sculpt things with.
 
Q:You collect dead flies.
DL:I've done that for years.
 
Q:You're strange.
DL:No, I'm not strange. There are lots of people who collect birds. Flies are
just like birds, only smaller.

Q: Do you still like ERASERHEAD?
DL: Its a perfect film. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging. Its like
Edward Hoppers stories [un toile d'Edward Hopper]. I don't want to sound like
I'm boasting. Everything I did after ERASERHEAD is imperfect. Everything is
flawed.
 
Q: Today you live in Hollywood, do you feel tied to the history of that area?
DL: Yes. I would have loved to work in the Golden Age [J'aurais adore 
travailler dans le studio-system], surrounded by producers, by people who tell
you, "Here's your script, read it over this weekend, Monday you start."
 
Q:Last question. Chris Isakk, who plays an FBI agent in Twin Peaks, disappears.
We never find out what happend to him. I would really like to know...
DL:You don't really think I'm going to tell you. We'll see later...
 
 
* * *
There you go folks. As you can see, where I was unsure or uncertain about some
words, I bracketed them next to the french. I hope you enjoyed it.
 
achapman@unixg.ubc.ca


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Does anyone know whether FWWM is going to be showed in Finnish
cinemas? And if it is, do you know when?

Thanks in advance.


Mikko

--
Mikko Reinikainen
k22164@kyyppari.hkkk.fi
Helsinki School Of Economics and Business Administration
Helsinki University/Faculty Of Law

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In article <78NasB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> >OK. I've only received one line of input about my Chet in love with 
> >Teresa theory. Are you people blind to true love? Hell, I almost fell in 
> >love with Teresa just by seeing that picture that Leland is looking at of 
> >her in Flesh World. Well, discarding everything, does anyone have an 
> >opinion that would oppose mine and prove my "Love holds the key" theory 
> >wrong?
> >

After reading your numerous, shameless requests for any opinions on your
theory...okay already.

The first time I saw the movie, I had to admit, the way Desmond was
scoping Teresa was rather...'unprofessional'.  The gaze went beyond mere
detectiving (nice word).  He seemed oddly fascinated, and can you blame him?

Something about the extreme closeup of the lips, the hand with the cigarette
(and the ring of course) gave you an eerie feeling.  Was there any music
being played?  I can't remember, maybe that would help explain the mood.

anyways, after the second and third viewings, it seems more obvious.

What I'm not sure about is why really he went back to the trailer park.
I doubt an infatuation with Teresa would lead him to the Chalfonts (sp?)
trailer.  What drew him to the trailer.  The eerie light emanating from
within?  Hmmm...

Anyways, in conclusion, I agree with your theory that Chet really dug
that crazy Teresa, man.  Groovy.

Mad Poo Bandit

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In preparation for a Twin Peaks View-a-thon I'm having at the end of
the month, I have been preparing a video of snippets of TP and TPFWWM
actors in other TV roles and appearances.  It includes Lynch's last
interview with Jay Leno, Julee Cruise's appearance with the B-52s on
Arsenio and others.

Last week, I tuned into a new CBS show called Angel Street, starring
Pamela Gidley and Robin Givens, since Gidley portrayed Teresa Banks in
FWWM.  I got a good laugh at the episode name... Blonde in the Pond.

By the way, CBS cancelled Angel Street a couple days ago.

Mark


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