Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990

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In article <1158600046@cdp>, forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
|> 
|> There are more possibilities than those outlined above.
|> In fact, The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer--which, by the way, is
|> not the diary found by Cooper and Truman--points a strong finger
|> at Leland.  BOB is a child-abuser, someone who doesn't want "Laura"
|> to grow-up, someone who has been having sex with her since she
|> was four or five.  BOB is an anagram--like DAD it is spelled the
|> same way backwards and forwards.  The diary also reveals Laura
|> to be a paranoid schizophrenic.  There's no need to believe in
|> the Laura/Maddy switch to believe that there are 2 Laura's.
|> In any event, the Diary reveals that Maddy is 4 years older than
|> Laura which the autopsy would have surely discovered.

BOB is also an acronym (from the Secret Diary):

Beware
Of
Bob

Even knowing his name is apparently dangerous.

Laura turns to cocaine addiction as the only relief from him.
Drug addiction leads her into s&m, lesbianism and group scenes
(don't buy the Secret Diary if you are from Cincinnati or Florida).
Laura finds herself becoming more like BOB (even her charitable
service in the Meals on Wheels program is affected by the bad
side of her character - she forces one of the homebound seniors,
Harold Smith - to have relations with her) over time.

I am not sure that BOB is her father.  But he is someone who has
been ruining her life before the Secret Diary is started (when she
is 11 or 12?).  I don't think she has seen her father nude till the
incident where she barges in on her parents 'in flagrante delecto'.

I am more inclined to think that BOB either represents the dark side
of Laura's psyche or is someone from the spirit world which coexists
with the physical in Twin Peaks (both Laura and her mother
experience visions).


Diane, I got so goofy last night, wondering if I was going to
live or die, that I thought I saw a giant in my room.....
This is me, Agent Dale Cooper, Room 315 at the Great Northern
Hotel....(from the audio tape)

In article <36429@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:

> > Lead actor? NO! They gave it to Peter
> > Falk for Columbo! Twin Peaks tossed over for a series of detective
> > movies? My god, they shouldn't even be in the same category!

Yeah, really - two shows with detectives as leads.  

Or, how about the differences between Dale Cooper's quirkiness ("Damn
good coffee!!  And Hot!"), and Columbo's quirkiness ("That's a lovely 
coat you're wearing, ma'am.").

Or, how about the unseen character Diane vs. Mrs. Columbo?

Nah, not even in the same category.

Jon
ps - don't get me wrong, I like Twin Peaks better, but Columbo
is almost as good overall.

Actually, TP did capture 2 Emmy's, but they were both technical (for
editing and costuming) and were awarded in a non-televised ceremony
on Saturday.
    
Eduardo Krell                   AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

UUCP: {att,decvax,ucbvax}!ulysses!ekrell  Internet: ekrell@ulysses.att.com

I'm new to this this newsgroup ( I watched TP for the first time in
the "summer series" so I wanted to avoid spoilers), so my question may
have already been dealt with, but...

what about the letter that Cooper found under Laura's fingernail in
the 1st (?) episode?  When he found it he said something like, " Last
time he lesft us a _" (I can't remember either letter now).

are these important? It seeme to me that these bear on some of the
theories that are popping up her (i.e. Laura played a major role in
her own death etc.). also, where was  this other killing? If it wasn't
close to TP then all Cooper woulod need to do is see which suspect had
been in that area at the appropriate time (it would never be THAT
easy!).


well, whaddya think?

ken

> > I believe the movie is from 1988, and I imagine it's available on
> >video.

It's from 1987 and it is indeed available on video.  HIGHLY recommended!  
I've seen it at least a dozen times.  Great munitions budget, fun 
soundtrack (incl. Concrete Blonde), and a wonderful cop-buddy relationship 
between MacLachlan and Michael Nouri  (which one is the straight man?  You 
decide....).  Don't miss it!  (One slight problem is that the sound is a little strange, esp. near the beginning--when it's quiet, it's VERY quiet, and you really have to strain to hear some things.)

MVB
"And I feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do 
is to SHUT UP."--Tom Lehrer

  Am I the only person who thinks it strange that we are purposely
never shown the left arm of the person who shot Cooper?  I mean,
if a one-armed man shoots someone, you lose some of the suspense if
you show a shot of his missing arm.  Oh well, I suppose it could be
a red herring to keep us guessing, but my money is on the one-armed
man shooting Cooper.

--
| Emerick M. Rogul        |  "I was enslaved to the harshest mistress  |
| 700 Commonwealth Ave.   |   of all -- my *muse*.  And that bitch     |
| Boston, MA 02215        |   rode the right side of my brain for all  |
| emerick@bucsf.bu.edu    |   she was worth!"                          |

Hi, well I guess I did something right. Here's a Mac sound file
of "she's dead, wrapped in plastic.." it's Stuffed and BinHexed.


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In article <20320@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> >
> >The easiest way to play the scene backwards is to hold a
> >cassette deck up to the TV and record the entire scene. 

Is this sort of like picking up the mouse and placing it on the computer? :-)

> >Does anyone know that the country's largest serial killer operated in
> >the very area that Twin Peaks is filmed in? From around 1980 to 1985

Correction: Henry Lee Lucas is the U.S. serial killer who has killed
the largest number of people.  He is in jail now, and in interviews
and reports is estimated to have killed over 200 people in his career.

> >about 60 people were found murdered, usually prostitutes, runaways,
> >etc. Specific details as to the clues he left were never revealed to
> >the public. The killer (known, I believe, as the Green River killer)
> >was never found. I heard this from someone who lived in the area and
> >was surprised that the townspeople weren't a bit more upset with the
> >plot of the show. I'm surprised too but find it in keeping with
> >Lynch's way of doing things.

Another correction: the Green River area of Washington is a good hour
or two drive away from the North Bend area of Washington.  The area
worked by the Green River killer was the strip of Interstate 5 between
Seattle and Tacoma which contains an airport, executive hotels, and
extensive prostitution.  It's not a lot like the small-town atmosphere
of Twin Peaks.  The area around North Bend is closer in character to 
Issaquah, a small town near which was found the remains of two of 
Theodore Bundy's victims.

Ellen Eades

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Hey folks,
  Seems to me that the mystery shadow in the infamous 'dream sequence' is a
spade, as in playing cards.  It just so happens that in the standard deck,
the Jack of Spades is a One Eyed Jack!  The only other is the Jack of Hearts.
As in broken necklaces......
  Any Tarot experts in the audience like to comment?

  Love over Cherry Pie,

      Simon.


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In article <57465@microsoft.UUCP>, ellene@microsoft.UUCP (Ellen EADES) writes...
<In article <20320@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
<>
<>Does anyone know that the country's largest serial killer operated in
<>the very area that Twin Peaks is filmed in? From around 1980 to 1985
< 
<Correction: Henry Lee Lucas is the U.S. serial killer who has killed
<the largest number of people.  He is in jail now, and in interviews
<and reports is estimated to have killed over 200 people in his career.
< 

He may very well have killed as many as 200 people, but in fact only
two actual murders can be connected with him and those were members of
his own family. Many experts believe his claims are false.

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

My feelings on the snubbing of Twin Peaks at the Emmys...

It is really too bad, but I kinda had the feeling it would go this way.
Twin Peaks is still quite new, and there were only eight episodes to
judge from in the first place.  Give the show a full season to firmly
establish itself, and I think the story will be different at next year's
Oscar show.

BTW, I loved the bit with the log-lady too...the only bit of "humor" on
the show that was actually funny...

Gary W. Olson     (34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET)    Central Michigan University
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"...there are periods of history when the visions of madmen and dope
fiends are a better guide to reality than the common-sense interpretat-
ion of data available to the so-called normal mind.  This is one such
period, if you haven't noticed already."   ("The Illuminatus! Trilogy")

In article <1990Sep17.124354.28021@rodan.acs.syr.edu>,
clallen@rodan.acs.syr.edu (CHAz) writes:
|> One question, who is Harold?  This person is brought up at the
|> end of the diary, and is also given the diary to hold, by Laura
before
|> she died.  Have we seen someone called Harold?  I don't recall.

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Harold Smith is an elderly participant in the Twin Peaks
'Meals on Wheels' program.  There is a bit about him
toward the end of the diary.

According to Alan Thicke's TP promo the real secret
diary of Laura Palmer will be brought to light in the
first episode of the fall season.  Harold has been
holding onto it.

I would like to start a new thread on this newsgroup: the subject of
Twin Peaks merchandising. I'm wondering what other readers think of 
the assorted TP products that are entering the market. I'm  actually
bothered by the approach that Lynch or whoever is in charge of 
licensing is taking.

While I have no problems with TP shirts, coffee, mugs, or CDs, I'm
bothered by merchandise that "adds" to the TP story material that
hasn't been included in the television program. I haven't read
"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer", but it's my understanding that
information that could lead to the solution is included, and that this
information is NOT included in the episodes. I've also noticed some
recent postings on this newsgroup that warn of "spoilers from TP
merchandise". Are we to take clues or information from this mer-
chandise as "canonical TP"? (As much as you can take anything as
canonical in David Lynch's world :-) ). I certainly hope that Lynch
or whoever is handling the merchandising doesn't expect the viewing
public to rush out and buy any little trinket they come up with, so
we can have the most complete information. I don't plan to buy Laura's
diary or Cooper's tapes to have the storylines for next year given away
or ruined for me.

Thus far, David Lynch has taken us on a beautiful, evocative, and 
terrifying journey through the dark heart of a small town. The fun has
been dissecting the episodes for meaning, and conjecturing about what
Lynch is saying to us. I would hate to have the series cheapened by
shoddy merchandising that spoils the mystery.

Comments?

Jeff Abbott
_______________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: I didn't do it and no one saw. . .
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com  Only here for the fun of it. . .
_______________________________________________________________________

In article <36429@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >I just finished watching the Emmys and I am really ticked. Twin Peaks
> >didn't win a single lousy major Emmy of all those it was nominated
> >for.

Well, according to USA today, TP *did* win Emmys for editting
and costume design.  Of course, you can't expect them to
broadcast this, since no one really cares about these
categories, anyway.  Admittedly, TP should have received
*something*, and 14 nominations is nothing to sneeze at!

> >I suppose it's too much to expect the pinheads who vote on these
> >things to actually watch the shows they are voting on.
> >
> >The real reason they didn't win anything is obvious. The band couldn't
> >play Julee Cruise if they tried.

So why don't they "lip-synch", and just play the soundtrack that
all of us have?  Well, it was just a suggestion!

Jim Berninger
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu

In article <2759@ryn.esg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >The question that remains is who are the three who've seen him?  Cooper
> >himself is one; Sarah Palmer is another (and presumably the one who "is
> >known" to Cooper). Who's the third?

How about Laura Palmer? In her secret diary, she talks about someone
she calls Bob appearing in her dreams.
    
Eduardo Krell                   AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

UUCP: {att,decvax,ucbvax}!ulysses!ekrell  Internet: ekrell@ulysses.att.com

In article <20320@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> >tape will now play backwards. I also noticed the slow motion voice
> >that says "Laura" at the beginning of the dream (a precursor to Waldo)
> >sounds most human at double speed.
Sounds like Laura's mother to me.

> >Another theory I have which is kind of far-fetched is that the
> >mysterious person with Leo in the woods is Josie Packard. Why? Only
> >for the reason that the same strange chord was struck when we saw a
> >mysterious figure silhouetted in an office. That figure turned out to
> >be Josie. So if the strange chord represents a specific person, then
> >that chord represents Josie. But if it simply represents ominous
> >mystery, we're still in the dark.
But the same chord played for the 'heavy breather' who assaulted Dr.
Jacoby.  Somehow I don't think that that was Josie.

> >I've gotten into quite a few arguments over whether the tattoo on the
> >one-armed man's missing arm said "Mom" or "Bob". I changed my mind on
Sounds definitely like "Mom" to me and my friends.  For what it's worth.

> >What is the deal with Little Elvis? What does Ben mean by "time to
> >give Little Elvis a bath" as he displays a doll? Could it be related
> >to the Elvis mannerisms of the dwarf in the dream?
'Little Elvis' is a common euphemism for the male genitalia.  What Elvis
mannerisms?

Some other stuff:

When we were all talking about various TV shows and films which seem to
be referred to by TP, did anyone mention the whitebread 50's sitcom "The
Patty Duke Show" in which Patty played identical cousins of opposite
temperament?  One was wild, the other mild.  Tune in to Nickelodeon some
time and just watch the credits.
Someone asked why Hank shot Leo: because he and Ben have decided that Leo's
too much of a loose cannon.
By the way: BOB and DAD are palindromes, not anagrams.
The soundtrack song "Freshly Squeezed" isn't just a new version of Audrey's
music.  It's what's playing when Cooper is having breakfast one day and
he says that he wants a glass of grapefruit juice, "... but only if those
grapefruits..." (shot of Audrey entering, in a tight sweater) "...are
freshly squeezed..."

Hey: in the thank you's in _Floating Into the Night_, there's a thank-you
to "Bob".  Perhaps Bob helped out around the studio.


 Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu
 ... then the ant got stepped on and the grasshopper drove to Florida
for the winter in his sports car.  - Muppet fables

abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >I would like to start a new thread on this newsgroup: the subject of
> >Twin Peaks merchandising. I'm wondering what other readers think of 
> >the assorted TP products that are entering the market. I'm  actually
> >bothered by the approach that Lynch or whoever is in charge of 
> >licensing is taking.
> >While I have no problems with TP shirts, coffee, mugs, or CDs, I'm
> >bothered by merchandise that "adds" to the TP story material that
> >hasn't been included in the television program. I haven't read
> >"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer", but it's my understanding that
> >information that could lead to the solution is included, and that this
> >information is NOT included in the episodes. I've also noticed some
> >recent postings on this newsgroup that warn of "spoilers from TP
> >merchandise". Are we to take clues or information from this mer-
> >chandise as "canonical TP"? (As much as you can take anything as
> >canonical in David Lynch's world :-) ). I certainly hope that Lynch
> >or whoever is handling the merchandising doesn't expect the viewing
> >public to rush out and buy any little trinket they come up with, so
> >we can have the most complete information. I don't plan to buy Laura's
> >diary or Cooper's tapes to have the storylines for next year given away
> >or ruined for me.

It is my understanding that the various "Spoilers" in the Secret Diary
of LP, WILL be in the series.  The secret diary is scheduled to be found
in the season opener.

The spoilers from the "Dianne..." tape wil also be revealed in the season
opener, and the extra bits to Dianne (interspersed with what we already
heard Cooper say to her), are some fun Cooperisms and prices of his
new tape recorder, stuff like that.  I don't think that there is
anything that won't eventually be in the TV broadcasts.

Of course, I don't expect them to read any of the steamy sections on
the air.... ;-)

John Feiler

The 'giant' was Mick Fleetwood (from Fleetwood Mac) and is quite tall.  He has
been in Star Trek TNG a couple of times.

neil herzinger  nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
"Eeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaannnnnnngh!" -Annoying Man

In article <6941@darkstar.ucsc.edu> c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Marian, Madam Librarian) writes:
> >different necklace...
> >
> >Does anyone have any theories on why Hank shot Leo? 
> >-- 
> >
> >c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu    | "How many times have I not offered
> >                         |  to be a sister to you" - 
> >                         |  "Seventeen" said Bernard.   




*Everyone* wants to shoot Leo; Hank just got there first. 

Leo is an eminently shootable kind of guy.  

Oh, just kidding around.  That's a very good question, actually.  Don't 
you think it has something to do with Hank covering his complicity in   
the conspiracy to burn the mill?  Hank is on parole, Leo knows that Hank
is involved in the plot.  Last I heard, conspiracy to commit a felony
was reason enough to revoke someone's parole. 

--Barbara 

--
Barbara HlavinReason, an ignis fatuus of the mind,
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduWhich leaves the light of nature, 
U Washington AI-10/Seattle 98195Sense, behind.  -John Wilmot

In article <1158600046@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >


> >BOB is an anagram--like DAD it is spelled the same way backwards
> >and forwards.



Sorry to be pedantic, but BOB and DAD are not anagrams but palindromes.
A palindrome is a word, phrase or sentence that reads the same backwards
and forwards, e.g. Able was I ere I saw Elba, or A man, a plan, a 
canal: Panama. 

An anagram is a word or phrase created by reordering another word or 
phrase, such as CHARM = MARCH.

--Barbara 


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Barbara HlavinReason, an ignis fatuus of the mind,
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduWhich leaves the light of nature, 
U Washington AI-10/Seattle 98195Sense, behind.  -John Wilmot

Herb Kunze writes: 
> >   Leland acted quite sanely in killing Jacques.  He deliberately tied off
> >   Jacques' free hand to avoid any struggling, a sign of good planning.  
> >   The question is: did he kill Jacques because of Jacques' implied
> >   involvement in his daughter's death?  Or did he kill Jacques to silence
> >   him because Leland himself was somehow involved in this can of worms?
> >   I suspect that the second case is possible.  Perhaps Leland was actually
> >   at Jacques' cabin when Laura was involved in an orgy (from Laura's 
> >   secret diary).  The graveyard scene kind of implied that there was 
> >   something incestuous going on, too.

Leland may have pulled a Jack Ruby.  He could have killed Jacques so that 
Jacques would be unable to defend himself from the murder allegation.  Thus, 
Leland may be hoping that the investigation will stop at Jacques.  Jacques
may have only known as much as he told Cooper.

Paul Iverson

I believe Hank shot Leo to cover his tracks.  You
remember Leo telling Josie that "Hank's gonna pay Leo a little
house call"?  Well, Leo is the one that set the fire in the
mill.  This was @ the behest of Hank, who communicated Ben
Horne's orders, --strike that- it was @ the request of Ben 
Horne.  Well, Leo left Shelley in the mill.  However, 
unbeknownst to Leo, it is intrinsic to Hank, Ben & Josie's
plot that Catherine go to the Mill & hopefully be killed
in the fire.  That way, along with the double set of books 
that will then be planted in Catherine's desk, it will 
appear that Catherine was killed while attempting to set
a firebomb in the mill to frame Josie for arson in an insurance
fraud scheme.  Since it will appear that *Catherine* was 
actually behind the arson (& was "accidentally' killed in
the attempt), Josie will be exonerated, collect the in-
surance on the mill, (supposedly) collect the million $

from the insurance policy on Catherine's life, & sell 
the land the mill was on to BH for GhostWood, or possibly
enter into a partnership with him.

*However*, Leo is the link from the arson to the rest.
in the event that his handiwork is witnessed, it is best that
he be "out of the way" lest in an atempt to get the authorities
to look more favorably on him,he spill the beans as to who put
him up to this (Hank, Ben).  As we see, Shelley *did* witness
the arson, & if she survives, she would be able to finger Leo.
If Leo is dead, however, he can't implicate the rest of them.
The apparent culprit, Catherine, has met a seemingly appropriate
end, & our diabolical threesome (Hank, Ben & Josie) can collect
their ill-gotten gains & go about their evil deeds.

A monkeyy has been wrenched in the works, as Josie might
say.  Catherine, with the help of the conscientious Mr. Neff, has
discovered their plot, & they won't get the life insurance money.
Leo might not be dead.  Catherine might not be dead.  Shelley
might tell the police that Catherine *didn't* set the fire, an
seemed to be innocent.  wait & see, but I predict that H, B & J
will be unsuccessful, & the Icelanders will be left with no partners.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge


--

In article <1133@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >While I have no problems with TP shirts, coffee, mugs, or CDs, I'm
> >bothered by merchandise that "adds" to the TP story material that
> >hasn't been included in the television program. I haven't read
> >"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer", but it's my understanding that
> >information that could lead to the solution is included, and that this
> >information is NOT included in the episodes. 

That is true, to a point.  It has not been in any of the previous
episodes, but it WILL figure into the new season(see USA Today).  Thus
the diary is of some significance, and not merely just bandwagon
marketing.

> >       I've also noticed some
> >recent postings on this newsgroup that warn of "spoilers from TP
> >merchandise". Are we to take clues or information from this mer-
> >chandise as "canonical TP"? (As much as you can take anything as
> >canonical in David Lynch's world :-) ). 

That is possible, so that is why some us used the spoilers.


> >            I don't plan to buy Laura's
> >diary or Cooper's tapes to have the storylines for next year given away
> >or ruined for me.

That is a another reason we used spoilers, beacuse we know that
some of you DON'T want to know.

> >Thus far, David Lynch has taken us on a beautiful, evocative, and 
> >terrifying journey through the dark heart of a small town. The fun has
> >been dissecting the episodes for meaning, and conjecturing about what
> >Lynch is saying to us. I would hate to have the series cheapened by
> >shoddy merchandising that spoils the mystery.
> >
> >Comments?

Usually I too am not one to rush out and buy something like this,
but I had too this time.  As far as stuff in the products that ISN'T
in the episodes, I think that that info is inconsequential.  In the diary
I am sure the important parts will be mentioned on the air, while the rest
can be descibed as psycho-babble, and an insight into Laura's secret life.
But nothing else.  As far as the tapes go, the stuff on the Tape, dispersed
among the "on-air entries", that was not in the show, is of no real importance,
and is just for entertainment and insight's into Cooper's life.

So some of the products will be important to the show, while the
other 80% is for the enjoyment of the viewer/reader/listener.  This
nonimportant stuff is of no detriment to the show or the fan(except for
your wallet).

CHAz


--
Charles L. Allen    |    "Leasing may be the fast track to an
Academic Computing Services    |     appearence of affluence, but equity
Syracuse University    |         will keep you warm at night.
clallen@rodan.acs.syr.edu    |-Agent Dale Cooper  FBI

In article <1990Sep17.060552.29582@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan "Parmenator-X" Parmenter) writes:
> > In article <36429@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU 
> > (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> > 
> > As for whether it "belongs" in the same category as TP, well, I
> > think that Agent Cooper and Columbo are quite similar.  They are both
> > enigmatic, both use esoteric methods (Coop's dreams and rocks, Columbo's
> > feigned naivete),both make reference to unseen female companions (Diane
> > and Mrs. Columbo) and both are played by talented off-beat actors. 
> > 
> > Of course, Columbo could crack the Laura Palmer case in about 15 minutes...
> > 
This makes for some interesting supposition.  What if Columbo had been
assigned to solve the Laure Palmer case?  How would he have gone about it, and
what would have been the outcome?  What are everybody's theories?

Frank

Some one commented that they think Leland wassane
because he tied off Jacques' free hand before smothering
him.  Others disputed this conclusion.  I must side with
the disputers, & to find evidence to back up my claim, one
need only venture as far as Gainesville, Fla.  Although
police there seem to have a very good idea who may have
committed the series of brutal murders 2-3 weeks ago, they
cannot charge anyone with the crime because (up through
yesterday, @ any rate) they had NO physical evidence that
a DA would take seriously.  I think that anyone would con-
cede that whoever committed those slayings is insane, even
if he really just wanted to kill one of those students, &
killed the rest so that it would seem like a psycho.  A
sort of motive-masking, if you were.  

Sorry. If you *will*.

Anyway, If you want to see excellent (fictional) examples
of crazy people who aren't stupid, read Red Dragon, or The
Silence of the Lambs, by Thomas Harris.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

--

> > Does anyone have any theories on why Hank shot Leo? 

No theory necessary. Hank and Ben Horne have a phone conversation
and Ben says something like "Time to go Raid that little fire-bug."

I assume it's part of the Josie-Ben mill conspiracy.

-- Chan

In viewing my tapes, I noticed this little goof:

When Andy is looking through the Lydecker files, he tells the group that he's
found a parakeet by the name of Louis Armstrong.  A moment later he finds
Waldo's file.  Hmmm... Weren't those files in alphabetical order by name of
pet?  Andy sure reads fast if he got from L to W in the space of a few
of Cooper's sentances!

And on the topic of Andy:  Does anyone out there believe that Lucy's baby may
not be Andy's?  Is he so upset because she's pregnant, or because she's
pregnant and he knows he can't be the father?

HLW

 ^
(_)

Is BOB a physical reality?

If you have it on tape, look at the season premier preview closely...
The out-of-focus shots of the figure walking toward the camera are
assumedly BOB, right?  Well, if we adhere to the "BOB is a manifestation of
Laura's psychosis/posession/or whatever," that walking figure can easily
be seen as an out-of-focus Laura.  A friend of mine insists that it is
"Killer Bob's" body with Laura's head superimposed on the torso!  After
repeated viewings, I did notice that the head seems to "float" along with the
body more than appear attached to it, but with the focus fuzz, my mind could
be playing tricks...


HLW

 ^
(_)

twain@blake.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:

> >Oh, just kidding around.  That's a very good question, actually.  Don't 
> >you think it has something to do with Hank covering his complicity in   
> >the conspiracy to burn the mill?  Hank is on parole, Leo knows that Hank
> >is involved in the plot.  Last I heard, conspiracy to commit a felony
> >was reason enough to revoke someone's parole. 

But Leo worked for Hank. In the previous episode, when Hank got out of jail
one of the first things he did was to beat up Leo and (retrospectively)
warn him "I asked you to mind the store, not open up a franchise." The
obvious business was the drug running operation, but I'm not sure if
that was the "franchise". Hank is in business with Jose - one wonders
what the business is.

Presumably Leo was "for the chop" for a pretty long time
and it looks like the bosses are Hank and Jose, since Jose has connived to
get Ben to hire Leo to burn the mill. Since Ben specified that Leo was to
make arson obvious, presumably one layer of the multiple double cross was that
Leo get posthumous credit for it - thus leaving nobody for the insurance
agencies to talk to. Also, the "helthy" set of books will help lower the
suspicion of an insurance fraud.

I wonder what status Ben has. He is obvously a baddie, but I don't know
whether he is using Jose or being used - or whether they are co-parteners.

Steve Austin

In article <1990Sep17.193808.33269@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, fdicapua@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> > This makes for some interesting supposition.  What if Columbo had been
> > assigned to solve the Laure Palmer case?  How would he have gone about it, and
> > what would have been the outcome?  What are everybody's theories?
> > 
> > Frank

Columbo would do what he does all the time: figure out the murder in ten
minutes, bug the murderer until I and all my friends watching are begging
to see Columbo get socked in the face, and then produce a clue nearly out
of thin air and nail the guy.

Columbo used to be charming. Now he's annoying. Falk beat out MacLachlan,
IMHO, solely because the Academy feared that this was the last time they
would get the chance to give the great Peter Falk an Emmy.

This is my last comment on why I don't like Columbo. I don't believe such
a thread is appropriate on this group.

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In article <1089@beguine.UUCP>, George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:
> > Some one commented that they think Leland wassane
> > because he tied off Jacques' free hand before smothering
> > him.  Others disputed this conclusion.  

  What I wanted to point out is that there are two conclusions to
  reach regarding Leland.  He breaks into sobbing dances and has all
  types of other behaviour that befit someone gone over the deep 
  end.  I believe that he was the Heavy Breather, he smothered
  Jacques, and he shot Cooper.  That said, he's either insane or
  performing an insane routine to mask more devious purposes.
  I'm just leaning towards the second conclusion.

> > Anyway, If you want to see excellent (fictional) examples
> > of crazy people who aren't stupid, read Red Dragon, or The
> > Silence of the Lambs, by Thomas Harris.

  Great stuff.  Although the Red Dragon based movie, Manhunter, was
  extremely disappointing, I still have some hope that the upcoming
  Silence of The Lambs movie will be well done.  

 Herb...

Apologies to netters who've heard it all before...  just wanted to set
the record straight and add a few comments of my own.

emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> >I visited Twin Peaks, California over the summer.  Close to Big Bear
> >City...

The area where the pilot for the TV show was filmed and most closely
the model for the fictional town is the Snoqualmie Valley area of
Washington state, specifically the towns of Snoqualmie, North Bend,
and Fall City.  Located about 25mi east of Seattle in the foothills
of the Cascades, this area manages to be very rural and yet still
civilized and non-hick.

My wife and I had been planning to drive up into the Pac Northwest
from here (the SF Bay area) for some time;  upon discovering that
this area was where TP (the *only* network TV show we watch) was
filmed, we decided to make a side trip and check things out.

I called the Snoqualmie Post Office and learned that the Great
Northern hotel in the show was actually something called the
Salish Lodge just up the road from the town of Snoqualmie proper.

I then called the Salish and got reservations for a night and was
rather astounded by the room rate ($150/night minimum) and the
advice that I should "go ahead and make dining room reservations".
This didn't fit with what I'd seen on the show, but I did it anyway.

To make a long story short, we drove up there through some of the
nicest mountain/forest country I've ever been in (and I've been in
most of the mountain/forest areas in the continental US), but the
nicest country by far was the Snoqualmie Valley.

Equally shocking was the Salish Lodge.  Used only for the exterior
shots, its interior is pure luxury.  Fireplaces in each room, full
service including chimney sweep, jacuzzi-sized whirlpool bath, goose-
down comforters, antiques in the rooms...  simple yet incredibly
comfortable.  Like Grandma's house, only better.

The restaurant was four stars (soon to be five, they tell me) with a
twenty-page seasonal wine list.  They serve, among other things, the
best lentil dish I've ever tasted.  Also the potlatch salmon and
pheasant were delicious.

We spent the duration of our trip there, exploring the valley, doing
the Twin Peaks tourist thing, and generally relaxing.  There're about
a zillion antique dealers in the valley, a winery, an Herb Farm, a
small railroad line, horseback riding, and lots and lots of other
things.  Guys, take note:  this is a *serious* romantic vacation spot.
Just happened to be our first anniversary, and it is now one of the 
best possible places we can think of to go (including our favorite
standby vacation, the Camino Real in Ixtapa, Mexico).


Well, I've babbled enough.  Go there, it's neat quite beyond its TP
affiliations.  Anybody wanting more details, drop me a line.

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emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> >Did anyone else catch what has to be the biggest continuity gap?

Actually, I consider the BIGGEST continuity gaps to be:

1) James' half of the heart is on a chain in the last episode and
   was on a leather thong in the zeroth and first episodes.

2) The last tape of Laura to Dr. Jacoby is a bit different in the
   first and last episodes -- missing "I just know I'm going to get
   lost in the woods again tonight" for one thing, and much more
   hateful in tone for another.

Of course, maybe BOB is responsible for this?????

> >I'm curious as to why Cooper was "staking out" the Roadhouse that
> >night with Truman.

That stakeout had to do with the Renault brothers running cocaine into Twin
Peaks -- it was set up before Laura's murder.  Note that Big Ed meets Norma
there because he is in on the stakeout.

> >I saw the same footage on the "Laura/Donna videotape" that someone
> >else mentioned. One second we're looking at Laura, then for a split
> >second that you can't possibly see without freeze-framing there's a
> >scenic background of sorts, then Laura again.

Actually, there are *TWO* places on the tape that have this.  One is a little
earlier when the camera is closing in on Laura's face (which is shown twice,
and the glitch is visible in both times), and the other is when the camera
is closing up on Laura's eye.

It looks to me like the tape was recorded previously with the scenic stuff,
and then the Laura segments were recorded over it with the camera being
stopped for a moment at each of those places and therefore leaving a frame
from the previous recording on the tape in those two places.

> >Is the Double R Diner a 24-hour operation? In the pilot, Bobby is
> >giving Shelley a ride home pretty early in the morning and it seems
> >like she's coming off a shift.

Sure looks like it to me.  And for those "continuity glitch" junkies, there
is one scene (last episode I think) where the sign for the "RR Diner" is
shown from the other side than usual and they forgot to put the "RR" back
on top, so all you see is "Mar-T Cafe" (which is the real name of the place).
It always seems strange to me that they never try to hide the "Mar-T" sign.

> >What is the deal with Little Elvis?

I believe "Little Elvis" is a euphemism for "penis".

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

One geographical point here.  While we might assume that
Twin Peaks is located in Washington state--since it is filmed around
Snoqualmie Falls and N. Bend.  The original script, and the diary,
indicate that Twin Peaks is in Idaho, not Washington.  In fact this
makes sense considering the fact that the state line and the border
are in close proximity.  Eastern Washington is an arid landscape of
rolling hills.  The Idaho panhandle, however, is wet, mountainous, 
and heavily forested--they even have Douglas-fir trees there.  However,
at 52,000 inhabitants Twin Peaks would be the second largest city
in Idaho--hardly a small town.  Of course, it would be the fourth
largest city in Washington state.  I think that either the pop. number
on the Twin Peaks sign is a joke or was painted by some smog-poisoned
LA prop-person who has no idea how the rest of the country lives.

Jeffrey St. Clair
Oregon City, OR

"The Dark Ages.  They haven't ended yet."  Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

In article <6941@darkstar.ucsc.edu> c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Marian, Madam Librarian) writes:
> >Does anyone have any theories on why Hank shot Leo? 

To reduce the number of people who have knowledge of Ben Horne's shady
dealings.  Before Hank shoots Leo, Ben Horne gets a phone call from Hank
(while he and the Icelander are signing Ghostwood papers) where Hank
says "It's time to black flag that firebug.  Leo's going to get a visit."
(I'm not sure of the last sentence, but I love the "black flag" line!)
Ben replies "Proceed."

Ben obviously doesn't trust Leo anymore, and probably didn't trust him much
in the first place.  He just needed Leo around while Hank was in jail.  And
Hank is obviously pissed at Leo for "opening a franchise", in Hank's own
words.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

In article <1990Sep17.221741@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU 
(Ryan D Mathews) writes:

> >Columbo would do what he does all the time: figure out the murder in ten
> >minutes, bug the murderer until I and all my friends watching are begging
> >to see Columbo get socked in the face, and then produce a clue nearly out
> >of thin air and nail the guy.
> >Columbo used to be charming. Now he's annoying. Falk beat out MacLachlan,
> >IMHO, solely because the Academy feared that this was the last time they
> >would get the chance to give the great Peter Falk an Emmy.

If you want to be really annoyed, take note that this was Falk's fifth
for Columbo alone!  Of course it took Ted Danson nine (!) nominations
to get a single lousy award, so TP is in good company in the good-shows-
that-got-passed-over category.

I agree that it is sometimes annoying the way Columbo gets his clues out of 
thin air, but you know damn well that Agent Cooper is going to do the exact 
same thing - TP isn't structured like a whodunnit that can actually
be conclusively solved, neither is Columbo.  The only show I can think
of that ever was, was the late lamented Ellery Queen, wherein the
clues were all clearly laid out, and Ellery Queen even turned to the audience
to remind them of what all those clues were.  Great show, if you ever catch
it in reruns, by the way...

> >This is my last comment on why I don't like Columbo. I don't believe such
> >a thread is appropriate on this group.

Too late.   It's a fascinating topic, especially, as at least two of us
have noticed Coop's remarkable similarity to Columbo, especially
in the mysterious unseen female companion department.  Truth
be told though, I can't imagine that even ABC would be crass enough to try to
do a spinoff of TP based on the adventures of Diane, a la Mrs.
Columbo, which was a series for a while (dreadful too).  

Hmmm, there's an interesting topic, potential TP spinoffs, good - bad - and
ugly.

I won't even start...    :-)   :-)



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"Elvis was seated on the toilet, actually reading a religious book...when 
suddenly a terrible pain gripped him by his stomach and seized his heart with a
strangler's grip.  'Oh no, dear dear God,' he thought.  He couldn't move.  He 
couldn't get up.  He had to get up.  He must get up...That terrible pain, like 
swords of fire, jabbing, slitting, cutting into his stomach, and especially his
liver - it was impossible to bear...Suddenly the thought flashed through him: 
this must be like what Jesus suffered."
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Ok, next.. this is a mac sound file of the waldo saying "laura, don't
go there" Stuffed and binhexed.







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Hi, this is a mac snd file of the music from the dream seq. lasts
about 10 seconds. I refer to it as dwarf bop. stuffed and binhexed.
Oh, by the way, I appreciate all the  reponse to this stuff.. I have
tried to answer all my messages, but the mail system has rejected a
few of the paths or whatever. I am not trying to ignore those that
I haven't answered, I just don't know any better.. Thanks!






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Oh, by the way, as IBM users can replay mac snds. and mac can't
readily play IBM sounds, I'm going to stick to sending these
macified. There are utilities available on the bim to unstuff
and decode binhex, and duplicate u/l are going to kill me and my
wallet. If enuf IBM users whine about the situation, I'll resume
ibm u/l as well.. Thanks!

> > While I have no problems with TP shirts, coffee, mugs, or CDs,
> > I'm bothered by merchandise that "adds" to the TP story material
> > that hasn't been included in the television program.
.-.
|I| think of Twin Peaks as a multi-media work of art.  This notion
`-' first came to mind when the Julee Cruise album was released
    and I noticed that David Lynch wrote lyrics.  And the lyrics
    fit in with the show.
.-.
|T|he music that goes with the show isn't just your standard TV
`-' series pablum, either.
.-.
|I| like the idea of the diary for a number of reasons.  One is
`-' that it carries Twin Peaks into yet another medium (writing,
    as well as TV and music).  Another is that this medium adds
    depth that one can't achieve on TV.  Another is some of the
    events depicted wouldn't *get* on TV.

> > but it's my understanding that information that could lead to
> > the solution is included, and that this information is NOT
> > included in the episodes.
.-.
|T|he book brings up a main player ("BOB"), but it doesn't give it
`-' away---indeed, it leaves you hanging.  The pertinent facts
    will be revealed in the show.  The book adds depth, though.
    Those of us who've studied abnormal psychology might recog-
    nize some classic symptoms in the diary (which I think shows
    that Jennifer Lynch either does good research or has strange
    interests), but the perpetrator of the syndrome is not
    quite revealed.

> > I would hate to have the series cheapened by shoddy merchan-
> > dising that spoils the mystery. 
.-.
|I| had (and have) more faith than that.  Look at the timing of
`-' the stuff:  right before the new season.  The merchandise
    only reveals parts of the season premiere, and adds some
    depth to it.
.-.
|I|ndeed, I think these are unusually good products!  Sure beats a
`-' back-to-school lunchbox! :^)
    <_Jym_>

.-.
|M|y instinctoid reaction to the preview was, "That's Killer Bob!
`-' Out of focus!"  I didn't think it looked or moved like Laura
    at all.  (The only movement of Laura we've seen was in the
    video and in James' flashback.)
    <_Jym_>

> > Another theory I have which is kind of far-fetched is that the
> > mysterious person with Leo in the woods is Josie Packard. . . .
> > the same strange chord was struck when we saw a mysterious
> > figure silhouetted in an office [Josie].
.-.
|T|he chord is slightly diluted for the Josie-in-the-office
`-' scene.  It's definitely the same intense chord for the
    heavy breather at the gazebo; and Jacoby's attacker at
    the gazebo.

> > I've gotten into quite a few arguments over whether the tattoo
> > on the one-armed man's missing arm said "Mom" or "Bob".
.-.
|I| could have sworn he said "Bob" the first time.  Thereafter it
`-' sounded like "Mom."

> > Who is on the phone right before Cooper is shot? I hear Andy's
> > voice towards the end but it sounds like it's coming over the
> > radio.
.-.
|I| noticed that too.  I thought the phone caller was a random
`-' cop, followed by Andy.  Then I thought maybe the phone caller
    was an unknown, and that Andy came over a police radio.  That
    would be a lot on Coop's mind (his dialogue to Diane, the
    pending room service, Audrey's note, the phone call, Andy on
    the portable police radio, and a knock on his door).

>>>>>>>>>>> As we all know, the Illuminati
>> Aside >> works on the "rule of fives,"
>>>>>>>>>>> since five is too much to handle.
    <_Jym_>

.-.
|W|e all know who this is.  J.R. "Bob" Dobbs dunnit!
`-' <_Jym_>

> >repeated viewings, I did notice that the head seems to "float" along

I agree with the theory that BOB is another name for Laura, after all,
what else would you call a girl floating face down in Puget Sound!!

Also now we know her middle name: Laura Helmsley Palmer! I like it.

Is there a well-known BinHex converter for the PC that I should look for
at my favorite ftp sites? (Some really magnamimous person could post it). 

BTW thanks much for the sounds posted so far, everybody -- it's a trip
to hear quality sound out of an IBM's speaker.  Now, if only my fan was 
quieter...

> >Anyway, If you want to see excellent (fictional) examples
> >of crazy people who aren't stupid, read Red Dragon, or The
> >Silence of the Lambs, by Thomas Harris.

Yes!  Two of the best, scariest novels I've ever read.  Also recommended: 
a sociological study of the phenomenon by Joel Norris, with the simple 
title _Serial Killers_.  Not that I suspect the Leland is one, but it 
makes some interesting points about insanity and ways in which it is (or 
is not) manifested in the actions of violent criminals.

And while we're at it, I'm still wondering what became of the supposed 
serial killer who murdered Theresa Whatsername and left the letter R under 
her fingernail....Have they just decided to give up on that line of 
investigation, given that Laura has so many other interesting activities 
to look into, or is it just on the back burner somewhere?  After 
establishing the letter-under-the-nail business as part of the killer's 
ritual/MO, and making it into such an important piece of evidence 
(corroborated by her diary entry),  they can't just let it evaporate, can 
they?  Not even if it is just "a Lynch thing."  8-)

I don't know, perhaps I've missed some other information on this 
particular plot thread.  I'd be most interested to know others' theories 
about this stuff.

PS--I've also suspected that the baby may not be Andy's--perhaps Leo's?
Or better yet, Albert's--nah, he wasn't in town long enough.....


MVB

How many serial killers does it take to change a light bulb?  Just one, but the voices have to be telling him to do it.

In article <1990Sep17.202235.33271@eagle.wesleyan.edu> hweibel@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >In viewing my tapes, I noticed this little goof:
> >
> >When Andy is looking through the Lydecker files, he tells the group that he's
> >found a parakeet by the name of Louis Armstrong.  A moment later he finds
> >Waldo's file.  Hmmm... 

As long as we're on this thread, I'd like to point out what I think is one
of the funniest lines in the Twin Peaks series, which is spoken just briefly
before the aforementioned scene. Lucy is going through the Lydecker files
and comes upon the file for "Corky":

"....He's part Poodle, part Rottweiller...."

Very sick. But also very very funny.

11 days and counting...........

John Ryder - Tellabs

In article <1158600046@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >
> >In fact, The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer--which, by the way, is
> >not the diary found by Cooper and Truman--points a strong finger
> >at Leland.  

Yeah, he's my first choice as well.  It occurred to me the other
day that the word "Bob" is a strong soundalike for the word "Pop",
especially if the upper-case spelling is a red herring.  We have
twins, why not have dyslexics as well?  "bob" and "pop" are too
close to be ignored.

Ellen Eades

In article <1128@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:

> >I didn't expect Sherilyn Fenn to win, although I was rooting for her;

I didn't think she would win, either.

> >I didn't expect Piper Laurie to win, because her role in TP is just
> >not as meaty as the roles of the women she competed
> >against (after all, Catherine is not the pivotal character
> >in TP).

Again, I agree.

> >I was, however, SHOCKED that writing, directing, set design, and best
> >actor did not go to TP. Did you hear the crowd's reaction when Kyle
> >MacLachlan was nominated - it was a roar! Sure, Peter Falk is a fine
> >actor, and I don't wish to denigrate him - but "Columbo" is a stale 
> >story now. I never could sit through a whole episode of "Columbo" because
> >it was too easy to predict what Falk would do. Kyle's performance had
> >far more humor, subtlety, and interest. . .I still can't believe he didn't
> >win.
> >
> >As for the other awards TP lost, I think the academy chickened out and
> >went with "safe" choices. "LA Law" used to be an interesting, ground-
> >breaking show, but it's fallen into its own formula. Every episode this
> >season (I estimate I saw 40% of them, to be fair) seemed to deal with
> >strife between associates and partners over ethical issues such as
> >conflict-of-interest and divestment in South Africa. I don't find that to
> >be particularly interesting drama. While LA Law is still one of the 
> >better shows on television, IMHO it lacked the force and panache of
> >earlier seasons, and was not even in the same league as Twin Peaks.
 
I don't think "chickening out" is a plausible explanation. When a show like
TP comes along, a show that is a critical, if not a commercial, success, a
show that generates so much interest (In the spring, any issue of Time or
Newsweek was guaranteed to have a mention of TP), in short, a show that is
highly innovative and influential, and it fails to get a *single* major Emmy,
well that makes me think that the members of the Academy are trying to send
some kind of message. What message? I came up with three possibilities:

 1) TV should stick to "safe" shows--sitcoms and soap operas, moral questions,
    South Africa, terminal illnesses, etc. 

 2) Twin Peaks is not, as I've said, a ratings success. Perhaps the voters
    felt that the general public does not watch or comprehend TP (probably
    true). Many people find the show dull. Those were his fellow actors you
    heard applauding Kyle MacLachlan.

 3) We always hear that the voters are also actors and directors and producers,
    etc. and that they vote for their friends. I can't imagine David Lynch 
    having many friends in Hollywood.

Anyway, whatever the Academy's reasons were, I do feel that this was a
*deliberate* snub of TP and not some kind of oversight. I'm totally baffled.
(Aside from Fenn and Laurie, it was nice to see Peter Falk get an award. That's
the only other category I'm not stark raving mad about, although it would have
been better for all concerned if Falk had won last year).

Of course the upshot is, not many people are watching TP and the Saturday night
time slot isn't helping. Once we find out who killed Laura, more people will
stop watching. Winning some Emmys might have helped the show's chances. As it
is, I think we might be looking at the last season of Twin Peaks.

> >Two last points: glad to see Ted Danson finally win for Cheers, and I loved
> >the Log Lady's "cameo" appearance. The only two highlights of a flubbed,
> >long-winded, disappointing show.

The Simpsons were great!



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Hello, I think the sound quality is very machine dependant. I have
a epson 286 and it actually sound very reasonable for such a small
speaker. Your machine may have a piezo device for sound output.
Sorry it sounds horrible!

Doug

In article <36642@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

> >The size of the Twin Peaks population bothers me.  Obviously it has to be large
> >enough to include such amenities as an excellent hotel, hospital, a good sized
> >sheriff's department, tv station, 24hr diner, upscale department store, etc. And
> >yet, Cooper sees this place as an ideal Norman Rockwell Eden.  I don't think
> >the pop. size can be a joke.  Small towns do not have the features that Twin 
> >Peaks does.

Ah, you've obviously never been to Amherst Ma.  It has about 50,000 people
and it is in many ways,an ideal Norman Rockwell town (in fact Norm lived 
in the area, in nearby Stockbridge).  Granted, half of its population is 
students, but perhaps Twin Peaks has some college campus we've never seen
before, or something like that.  Western Massachusetts in general fits
that bill quite nicely, with some fairly sizable towns population-wise that
nonetheless look like the quintessential New England towns, plus hospitals,
department stores, etc.

Heck, it even has a sort of surreal ambience - the picture of rural
post-modernism.  Malls and cow pastures coexist with trendy black-clad
bohemians and overall-clad tobacco farmers.

- Dan



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"Elvis was seated on the toilet, actually reading a religious book...when 
suddenly a terrible pain gripped him by his stomach and seized his heart with a
strangler's grip.  'Oh no, dear dear God,' he thought.  He couldn't move.  He 
couldn't get up.  He had to get up.  He must get up...That terrible pain, like 
swords of fire, jabbing, slitting, cutting into his stomach, and especially his
liver - it was impossible to bear...Suddenly the thought flashed through him: 
this must be like what Jesus suffered."
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In article <1158600048@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >
> >One geographical point here.  While we might assume that
> >Twin Peaks is located in Washington state--since it is filmed around
> >Snoqualmie Falls and N. Bend.  The original script, and the diary,
> >indicate that Twin Peaks is in Idaho, not Washington.  In fact this

   While flipping through an encyclopedia this morning, I glanced at a map
of Idaho and saw there was a "Twin Peaks" (I assume it was a mountain).

Help! Can anybody out there direct as to what excatly to do with those
digitized sounds that people are posting. I have acces to IBM machines
as well as Macs, although I prefer to use the IBMs.

an anyone send me explicit instructions as to what to do with these
things and where I can ftp the relevant pragramming from



much obliged


ken

ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu

Just for fun. . .

Why hasn't anyone suspected Donna Hayward of offing her best friend?
I mean, Lynch painted Laura as a saint until the truth started coming
out about her - so why should we think Donna is any different. She
certainly gained a lot by Laura's death - namely, James. Look at their
early meetings - this girl was hot for him. And he was seeing her
evil best friend.

Twice, Donna has made statements that made me confused: first, she
convinced James that when they discovered the broken half of the 
heart necklace was gone, that they should NOT go to the police.

JAMES: We should go to the cops. . .
DONNA: No, james, we were the only ones who loved her. . .

Obviously, Donna doesn't want the authorities involved anymore than they
already are.

Secondly, when Audrey was trying to convince Donna to help her in her
own investigation, Donna demanded to know what Audrey  had already 
found out: "What do you know, Sherlock?" and made Audrey promise that
anything they found out would stay between the two of them. Could Donna
be concerned that Audrey might stumble onto something she'd rather not
have known?

We already know that Donna has the potential for evil: she lied to an
FBI agent, has hidden evidence in a murder case, broken into a doctor's
office, and in one shocking evening of depravity, snuck out of the house 
and almost forgot her sister's bike!!! :-)

"Hell hath no fury like a woman who's got the hots for her best
friend's biker-sensitive guy boyfriend."

(Someone reading this over my shoulder just said, "Jesus, Jeff,
you need to see the premiere BAD!")

Jeff Abbott
________________________________________________________________________
disclaimer: I didn't kill Laura Palmer. . .
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com
_________________________________________________________________________

Okay! Okay!  I give in!  I'll post.  I've been content being a lurker, but
A couple things have been floating around in my mind and I thought I'd toss
them into the ring for discussion.

1.  Who says the killer has to be a "J" ?  Laura just said she was "nervous
about meeting 'J' tonight".  She didn't say she was worried that J would kill
her tonight.  Maybe she was killed before she met up with that particular 'J'? 
Maybe she met 'J' and all was well?  Maybe Bobby did it after all?

2.  Disregarding 1st question, do we all believe in the rock and bottle bit 
by Cooper because he is such an interesting character?  Or isn't it still
possible that blind luck caused certain bottles to be hit/broken, or that
the killer was never on the list, or that the rock hitting the bottle meant
something entirely different (don't ask me what - I'm just brainstorming) ?

3.  After 8 weeks of all this fabulous intuition and insight and reading
body language, Cooper (and this is my biggest disappointment) doesn't even
suspect that it was not Leo that called in the tip about James' bike or that,
especially because it was a "tip", that James was being framed.  Maybe it
was just my own mis-interpretation of the scene, but if others got the
same impression then:
Wouldn't the rock and bottle bit (question 2) be simple chance?
Couldn't he have been wrong about Bobby (question 1) NOT being the
killer?  see pilot "he didn't do it" to HST
Maybe etc ad infinitum.....


Please don't flame me!  I just rewatched the whole first series and my head 
is maybe in a whirlwind.  I picked up so many things the 2nd (okay, 3rd) time
through.  Just submitting for comment.


-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************************* Sandra Vavrinek

I hate to pick nits (okay, I lied, I love to pick
nits), but schizophrenia is *not* split personality.  Schizo-
phrenia has an entirely different set of symptoms & behaiviors
associated with it.  Split personality is, in psycho-jargon, 
called Multiple Personality Disorder.  so, while Laura may have
had MPD, it is highly unlikely that she was schizophrenic.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

--

In article <12621158833010@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu> PUTNAM-L@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee Putnam) writes:
> >
>>> > >>Why? This retarded son of Ben was tutored by Laura. When
>> > >           ^^^^^^^^
>> > >Are you sure he's retarded?....
> >
> > No, I'm not sure he's retarded. In fact, my brother claims that
> > maybe he's pretending to be retarded. Although he (johnny) might
> > not be able to respond emotionally (if he's autistic), he might
> > still be capable of completing an action that would kill good
> > 'ole Laura. If Johnny did not kill, then what is his significance??
> > [unrelated sidenote delelted]
> >-L.p.P>

Actually, the town is festooned with "wreckage" characters.  E.g.: the log
lady, Nadine, Johnny, Donna's mom (I forget her name--she's in a wheelchair).

My theory is that each of these people is the victim of some previous (before
the series started) "Twin-Peaks like" event.  Leland is the obvious choice for
a wreckage character for the current event.  (Or Ronette Pulaski, if she 
returns.)  

Imagine the series starting up five years from now, with some other plot (Norma
found dead in the RR cafe, face down in a cup of coffee, impaled with a greasy 
drape runner, the words "Bite the bullet, baby" smeared next to her corpse in
powdered donut sugar...) and, every once in a while, this strange guy starts 
pleading with women to dance with him.  Instead of talking about the log lady, 
we'd talk about the "dancing lawyer".  He'd just be part of the weirdness.

A forest fire which claimed the husband of the log lady--on her wedding day--
was alluded to when she, Coop, Harry, and Doc were talking.  I got the impres-
sion that this is when she developed her attraction to lumber.

I have no evidence for this, but I suspect Nadine lost her eye in the same
"incident" which resulted in Big Ed marrying her instead of Norma.  Other
"events" could account for Johnny's condition and Donna's mom being crippled.

As I said, this is just a theory.  (Actually theory is overstating it, since
this hypothesis is unfalsifiable.)  Surely you don't think Laura's murder is
the first traumatic event to hit this burg?  What are the Bookhouse Boys for?
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In article <1133@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >
> >While I have no problems with TP shirts, coffee, mugs, or CDs, I'm
> >bothered by merchandise that "adds" to the TP story material that
> >hasn't been included in the television program. I haven't read
> >...

I think the blitz of TP merchandise is what show biz call 
Mutlimedia. :-)





Regards,


William Lai

I seem to recall that the original poster of the TPSounds idea said
he/she had an Amiga.  Can we expect too see Amiga IFF sound files
in the near future, or was response to this underwhelming.

Inquiring minds want to know!

huebner@aerospace.aero.org

> > And while we're at it, I'm still wondering what became of the
> > supposed serial killer who murdered Theresa Whatsername and left
> > the letter R under her fingernail...
.-.
|D|oes anyone (outside of _TV_Guide_'s "writers") really think this
`-' has been forgotten?  Have faith!  Have patience!
    <_Jym_>

P.S.:  How's this for a silly theory?  The serial killer was an
    alphabet murderer.  He or she knocked off 17 people (A-Q) before
    somebody noticed the letter under the fingernail.  The 19th (S)
    went undiscovered.  Laura was the 20th (T).

In article <1158600038@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >
> >According to an interview with David Lynch in Movieline
> >Magazine, for his next film Lynch wants to direct Kafka's "The
> >Metamorphosis"--"it'll be wierd, the main character will be a
> >coachroach."  Lynch said he's wanted to do this film for years,
> >but couldn't find financing.  It will be interesting to compare
> >Lynch's effort with Steven Soderburg's "Kafka" which wrapped
> >shooting.  
> >Jeffrey St. Clair

Reminds me of the scen in THE PRODUCERS when Mostel and Wilder are looking for
a script to produce a sure-fire flop:[quote inexact]

Mostel: Listen.  Here's one.  A man wakes up one morning, looks in the mirror
and he's..a cockroach!  Hmm...
Nah!  It's too good!
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[My Log Does Not Judge---My Subject Line Does Not Lie]

>> >> The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer . . . points a strong finger
>> >> at Leland.
> >  Yeah, he's my first choice as well.
.-.
|A| not unlikely choice, but I wouldn't say the definitely points
`-' his way too.  If Bobby really can get into her window, "BOB"
    can too.

> > We have twins, why not have dyslexics as well?  "bob" and "pop"
> > are too close to be ignored.
.-.
|D|yslexia?  Repression would make much more sense in the scenario
`-' we seem to be cooking up here.

      * * *
.-.
|I|'m wondering who "the mystery man in the woods" is.  It sounds
`-' as if it's Leo, but she might have been free-associating, and
    went from talking about "BOB" to talking about Leo . . .
    <_Jym_>

In article <1596@prang.UUCP> marciano@prang.TEST.Vitalink.COM.UUCP (marciano pitargue) writes:
> >In article <6788@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM> ellis@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM (Cynthia Ellis) writes:
>> >>One thing that has always puzzled me is that I haven't heard of of the
>> >>specifics about typing the semen in Laura's body. Some sort of typing MUST
>> >>have been done for it to be known that Laura had sex with three different 
>> >>men the night she died. As I remember, the typing used relates to (Is the 
>> >>same as?) blood-typing. I believe it's used with rape victims to identify
>> >>rapists by blood type. Any comments on this from sharper TP watchers than I?
> >.
>> >>Cindy
> >
> >they (they being the "they" that everyone uses") can now do dna tracing
> >of the sperm.  now rapists can be positively identified this way.
> >
> >analogout to fingerprints,   dna-prints???
> >
> >saw it on nova or something once.
> >
> >marciano@vitalink.com

I'm almost certainly too ignorant on this topic to be posting to "thousands of 
machines throughout the entire civilized world", but my impression is that DNA
typing would not be useful here.  It is expensive and time-consuming (more a
thing for Albert than "amateur hour") and is used to match one DNA sample to
another.  I.e. it answers the question: are these two samples from the same
person?, with a statistically definable (and hopefully small) chance of error.
I don't think it would be useful to answer the question "How many people are,
err, represented in this sample?"  Does anyone know what they could use?

My info is from hazy memory of a Nova or Nova-type show which talked about
using DNA typing to predict some illness (which Bob Dylan has/might have?).
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In article <6941@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, c2h5oh@ucscb (Marian, Madam Librarian) writes:
> >
> >Well, our observations were correct. She does say "this is
> >Laura" not "this is Laura Palmer" (as heard when Jacoby played
> >the tape in the earlier episode) and she does sound distinctly
> >malicious, as opposed to sad (again, as heard.) I'm still
> >wondering if this is supposed to reflect the feelings of those
> >listening or if it's a different tape. It is rather obviously a
> >different necklace...

Not to be too prosaic, but it is possible that these are just
continuity lapses.  (Yes, yes, I've heard it before: "With Lynch,
every tiny detail is important and intentional."  I have yet to be
persuaded of the truth of this claim.)

I have no idea how to tell the difference between a clue and a glitch.
If these are clues, of course, they are very important.
-- Matthew Austern austern@lbl.bitnet Proverbs for paranoids, 3: If (415) 644-2618 austern@ux5.lbl.gov they can get you asking the wrong austern@lbl.gov questions, they don't have to worry about answers.

In article <59533@bbn.BBN.COM>, saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) writes:
> > 
> > But Leo worked for Hank. In the previous episode, when Hank got out of jail
> > one of the first things he did was to beat up Leo and (retrospectively)
> > warn him "I asked you to mind the store, not open up a franchise."

This seems reasonable from the show, but I wonder if there's
a continuity glitch in "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer".
The diary makes it appear that Leo's the chief drug runner;
it only mentions Hank once, in connection with his arrest for
manslaughter.

> > ...Hank is in business with Jose - one wonders
> > what the business is.

The part we know about was that Josie hired him to kill Andrew
Packard for $90,000.  My guess is that Hank's other "business"
was entirely with Ben.

> > I wonder what status Ben has. He is obvously a baddie, but I don't know
> > whether he is using Jose or being used - or whether they are co-parteners.

Ben's the top banana of organized crime in Twin Peaks.
He seems to be manipulating both Josie and Catherine to suit
his own purposes at the mill.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

In article <59533@bbn.BBN.COM> saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) writes:
> >twain@blake.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
> >
>> >>Don't
>> >>you think it has something to do with Hank covering his complicity in   
>> >>the conspiracy to burn the mill?  Hank is on parole, Leo knows that Hank
>> >>is involved in the plot. 
> >
> >[Steve Austin sets forth such a scenario.]
> >Presumably Leo was "for the chop" for a pretty long time
> >and it looks like the bosses are Hank and Jose, 
> >Steve Austin

I agree with this theory.  In fact, you may recall that at the signing of the
Ghostwood contract at One-Eyed Jacks, Ben gets a phone call.  I don't remember
the conversation exactly, but I'm sure it was Hank telling Ben that he
was going out now to kill Leo.  Ben agreed/acknowledged this, as if it was
part of the original plan, as Steve Austin (no known relation) ably set forth
in his here-truncated article.
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In article <57522@microsoft.UUCP>, ellene@microsoft.UUCP (Ellen EADES) writes:
> > In article <1158600046@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
>> > >
>> > >In fact, The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer--which, by the way, is
>> > >not the diary found by Cooper and Truman--points a strong finger
>> > >at Leland.  
> > 
> > Yeah, he's my first choice as well.  It occurred to me the other
> > day that the word "Bob" is a strong soundalike for the word "Pop",

And in lower case "bob" is "pop" upside-down.

In the diary it sounds like BOB is a figment of Laura's mind
and Leland is a different person, but if twin personalities
run in the family maybe Bob got started as Leland's dark side.
However, the diary could also be interpreted as a boost for
the opinion I formed last season:  That it was Laura who drove
Leland bananas, rather than the opposite.


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

I've always assumed that what Hank did for Josie was kill her 
husband and make it look like an accident.  Is there any reason to think
otherwise?



Walt Pohl
"alt.walt?  It has a certain ring to it, no?"

The two-hour season premier is scheduled for Sept. 30, according to
the TV Guide that has the three women's pictures on the cover.

- Chuck

My impression was that Ben was holding a doll as he (quickly) left the
room after saying that he was going to give "Little Elvis" a bath.  I
thought he was referring to the doll, which might have held cocaine
intended for Leo.  But this is quite hypothetical.

I think that Hank shot Leo because Hank and Ben decided that it would
be safer to kill Leo after Leo torched the mill.

- ced

That "I wish BOB were dead, so I could kick his corpse..." or whatever,
comes from "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer."

- ced

I think that Hank shot Leo to protect himself and Ben from Leo.
Since Leo had just torched the mill, he was in a position to
blackmail Hank and Ben.  Hank, we know, is not averse to blackmail
(he is blackmailing Josie re: her husband's death).  Thus, Leo
could be a serious threat.

However, according to some reports (I think from the cassettes 
now on sale of Coop's messages to Diane), Leo lives.

- ced

Last night I finished "The Secret Diary..." (I would't recommend reading
it late at night to the faint of heart, but they probably aren't watching
anyway...)

Perhaps BOB is part of Laura.  She claims to have seen his body several
times in the diary.  

Perhaps BOB represents some part of Leland.  Incest???  How about the
scene at the funeral, when the coffin was going up-and-down-and-up-and-down...

- ced

I tend to agree about Leland.  The shot of him setting off the alarm
in the hospital just before killing Jacques seemed to me to indicate
someone whose senses were quite clear.

- ced

Harold Smith is an old man to whom  Laura delivers meals as part of
her work with Norma.  She also "forces herself on him" late in the
diary.

- ced

I have been following this newsgroup for two weeks, and have seen all episodes
of twin peaks beginning with the dream sequence episode.  Can someone send me
the pilot and the 2 or 3 other episodes that I have missed?  I will pay for
postage and tapes.  Thank you!

rory kerber

send reply to  rkerber at eagle

I found my copy of "The Secret Diary" at Aardvark Books on Market
Street in SF, just across the street from the Safeway.  I bought the
last one in the display, so if it's a drive, you might want to call
first.  They also had the cassettes, but I haven't bought them yet...

- ced

P.S.  The Secret Diary is *very* dark.  Much darker than the show.
Laura's actions are pretty unusual, but her "relationship" with BOB
is the real heavy stuff.  I think BOB's either part of Laura, or
the dark side of Leland.  

"...although I could be wrong..."  - Donald Fagen

- ced

Thanks very much for the timeline!!  I learned a great deal by reading
it.  

However, after reading "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" I discovered
that she died in 1990.  Her last *dated* entry in the secret diary is
on October 31, 1989.  There are two more entries, plus three pages
that were ripped out before the diary was "found".

In other respects, the diary confirms the timeline, and adds details.
So the timeline is still quite useful---just add a year to the 1989
dates.  No doubt it was quite a bit of work, too!!

- ced

After reading the TP timeline, I was wondering if anyone else has
remarked on the small amount of time between 

1) Pete finding Laura's (?) body, and

2) Cooper arriving in Twin Peaks.

The body was found around sunrise.  The month is March, so sunrise
isn't terribly early.  Cooper arrives in TP at 11:30 or so, according
to the timeline (which I believe is correct).  That leaves about five
hours, give or take a little, during which the locals must examine the
evidence and determine that there is a murder, and that it involved
the crossing of state/national boundaries.  The body itself does not
seem to provide this evidence.  

Have I missed something, or did Cooper show up surprisingly fast?
Does anyone know where he was based?  Could he have made it to TP in
that amount of time?

Could the murderer be COOP?????  Or is he part of a plot to keep the
drug-runners going?  Or to get the mill land?

Probably all these are red herrings (or mistakes, even), but it keeps
one wondering.  Which is the point, after all.

- ced

P.S.  I recommend the Secret Diary to those who can stomach the heavy
material in it.  The writing's okay (rather than great), but the mood
is every bit as eerie as the show.  The diary does contain references
to heavy drug use, sadomasochistic sex and so on.  But it also gives
some interesting insights into the psyche of Laura.  After reading it,
I could be convinced that Laura was partly or largely responsible for
her own death.  

Unless BOB and DAD (=Leland) are related.  Perhaps Leland was jealous
of Ben's power over Laura?  After all, Laura's pony *really* came from
Ben, not from Leland...

Ciao-

While watching the scene where the figure in black is beating the hell
out of Dr. Jacoby I noticed something shiny on his gloves. Upon
further examination I could swear that he had on a pair of brass
knucles. Can anyone deny/confirm this. If this is in fact true
then I wonder how intential was his presence there, that he might
have afterall been there to attack Jacoby, & thus it might be
Leland after all--having followed Donna, Maddie & James.

small spoiler concerning the secret diary....

Boy, just got the diary, & after reading only a few pages,
Laura is one sick puppy. I find the poems to be interesting,
since they might tie in to the poem that Mike The-One-Armed-Man
recited in Coop's Dream; thus, BOB might be a manifestation of
Laura's Dark side, or BOB might be a manifestation of the evil
in the woods. 

Then again with all Laura's references to birds, & esp. that
"male" owl looking at her, Waldo's intense lust of her, & her
thoughts of soaring in the woods, maybe Laura's a bird...8-).

Well 12 days & counting..

sally
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What about Cooper mentioning about Leo being the main suspect as he walks
towards his room, prior to being shot?  It seems that Cooper thinks that
Leo is the killer.

With all the discussion of bob/Leland/Laura connections, that have come up
lately has ol Dale missed the mark? ( Yes I think Leland did it... he's
just acted *too* weird... )

BTW for those people who post spoilers, use LF's instead of Ctrl-L's some
news reading programs show ^L...

-randy
-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

  Is it true that blood vessels in the eye are as good as fingerprints
in identification?  (and if so are these surface vessels or ones on the
retina?)  It might be interesting if the closeup on "Laura"'s eye
were used for more than one purpose.  Albert may have gotten the
required measurements from the corpse (or it could probably be dug
up), and Madeleine is still around; so it might be possible to establish
which one of them was at the picnic.
-Doug Elrod (L4oj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu, L4oj@CORNELLA.BITNET)

Hello, As I have had numerous whines from IBM users who want to be
able to playback tp sounds, I am trying to come up with a solution.
Does anyone know if there is uudecode for the mac and where it might
be found? That way I could just u/l the samples with the mac header
intact and ibm users could use them as well. Thanks!

Doug Dulmage

In article <1990Sep18.180822.20986@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >In article <1128@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
>> >>As for the other awards TP lost, I think the academy chickened out and
>> >>went with "safe" choices. "LA Law" used to be an interesting, ground-
>> >>breaking show, but it's fallen into its own formula. Every episode this
>> >>season (I estimate I saw 40% of them, to be fair) seemed to deal with
>> >>strife between associates and partners over ethical issues such as
>> >>conflict-of-interest and divestment in South Africa. I don't find that to
>> >>be particularly interesting drama. While LA Law is still one of the 
>> >>better shows on television, IMHO it lacked the force and panache of
>> >>earlier seasons, and was not even in the same league as Twin Peaks.
> > 
> >I don't think "chickening out" is a plausible explanation. When a show like
> >TP comes along, a show that is a critical, if not a commercial, success, a
> >show that generates so much interest (In the spring, any issue of Time or
> >Newsweek was guaranteed to have a mention of TP), in short, a show that is
> >highly innovative and influential, and it fails to get a *single* major Emmy,
> >well that makes me think that the members of the Academy are trying to send
> >some kind of message. What message? I came up with three possibilities:
> >
> > 1) TV should stick to "safe" shows--sitcoms and soap operas, moral questions,
> >    South Africa, terminal illnesses, etc. 

Eugene, this is what I meant by chickening out (see above, my original comment
about safe shows).
 
> > 2) Twin Peaks is not, as I've said, a ratings success. Perhaps the voters
> >    felt that the general public does not watch or comprehend TP (probably
> >    true). Many people find the show dull. Those were his fellow actors you
> >    heard applauding Kyle MacLachlan.

Twin Peaks (the premiere) was the number one TV-movie for ABC this year, and
did the best of any ABC show against "Cheers" in the past four years. Granted,
it's not a Top Tenner, but ABC has said it considers Twin Peaks a success
because the audience it has attracted is, demographically, young, educated,
and successful--the kind of viewers advertisers love. You're right that Kyle
MacLachlan was being cheered by his fellow actors (but it was still a roar :-)).

> > 3) We always hear that the voters are also actors and directors and producers,
> >    etc. and that they vote for their friends. I can't imagine David Lynch 
> >    having many friends in Hollywood.

Possibly. But he has respect, and that ought to be enough to garner awards.
In many ways, this reminds me of Spielburg's snub at the Oscars over "The
Color Purple".

> >Anyway, whatever the Academy's reasons were, I do feel that this was a
> >*deliberate* snub of TP and not some kind of oversight. I'm totally baffled.

Jealousy over his success, possibly? TV always says they want to do inno-
vative programs, a la Bochco and Lynch, but when something truly innovative
comes along, it gets snubbed. Or perhaps some of TV Land's denizens are
concerned that other talented movie directors will want to follow Lynch's
lead and do TV work. . .and put some of them out of jobs. What a cultural
loss that would be. . .My God, no more Baywatch? :-)

> >Of course the upshot is, not many people are watching TP and the Saturday night
> >time slot isn't helping. Once we find out who killed Laura, more people will
> >stop watching. Winning some Emmys might have helped the show's chances. As it
> >is, I think we might be looking at the last season of Twin Peaks.

For a cult show like Twin Peaks, with a devoted audience, Saturday isn't a bad
time at all. Whether or not viewers drop out when Laura's murder is solved is
too early to tell, IMHO. It really depends on what Lynch and Frost do. When he
was interviewed on the Donahue show, Frost said, "There are a thousand stories
in the small town, and we're gonna tell them all." (Of course, with all the
subplots, it seems like they're halfway there!) :-)

Jeff Abbott
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Disclaimer: I didn't kill Laura, and neither did my employer.
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com   
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The new issue of Rolling Stone features a luscious photo of Madchen Amick
(Shelley), Lara Flynn Boyle (Donna), and the ever-popular Sherilyn Fenn
(Audrey) on the cover. All are wearing faded jeans and matching brown
tank tops. There's an article about the actresses inside, rather funny, where
the interviewer took each of the ladies out for pie and talked with them about
their characters and the show. it's written in a talky, offbeat style, and 
it's fairly interesting. Some tidbits:

Madchen Amick (Shelly) thinks that she and "Bobby" are too hot for most prime-
time shows, and she can tie cherry stems with her tongue;

Lara Flynn Boyle (Donna) thinks her character is a virgin, but Lynch and
Frost say she's probably not;

Sherilyn Fenn (Audrey) is a close friend of the rock singer Prince and can't 
tie cherry stems with her tongue. (There is, however, a photo of Sherilyn
with her mouth pursed around a cherry. This picture is, IMHO, suitable for
framing.) Sherilyn also said her forthcoming pictures in Playboy (lines are
forming now at your local newsstand) are very "artistic". I have no doubt. :-)

Jeff Abbott
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Disclaimer: I can't tie cherry stems with my tongue, but I'm willing to learn.
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com
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Hi there,
Well, it seems like you can get very interesting stuff on this side of
the border (as in One Eyed Jack's), but I haven't seen  any merchandise
being marketed on this side of the line.

Does anyone out there know which US chains aare selling stuff? If they
have Canadian eequivalents? Maybe I'll just have to sidle down to Bellingham
or (gasp) Seattle.

Thanks,

jp

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In article <1990Sep19.002723.10217@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> wp6@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Walter Pohl) writes:
> >
> >I've always assumed that what Hank did for Josie was kill her 
> >husband and make it look like an accident.  Is there any reason to think
> >otherwise?

At first, I thought this was the case, but after re-watching all of the
series, it doesn't seem like this is necessarily so, mainly because of
two things:

1.) Hank, when talking to Josie about the $90,000 she paid him for
    whatever he did for her, only implies that he pleaded guilty to
    the manslaghter charge to avoid being implicated in the commision
    of a murder. We don't really know if it's Andrew Packard's murder.
    Maybe Josie had him knock somebody else off. I believe this could
    be the case because of my second observation.

2.) Josie talks to Harry about being afraid of Benjamin and Catherine,
    and that she has overheard a telephone conversation between them
    plotting something with regards to the mill. She tells Truman 
    that Catherine said they would make it look like an accident,
    just like Andrew's death. Truman counters that Andrew's death
    was accidental, and Josie replies "Was it?" doubtfully. This
    raises a question as to whether Catherine truly was behind Andrew's
    death, or if Josie is trying to implicate Catherine. I would think
    that if it was Josie alone who was responsible for the death of
    Andrew, she would be foolish to raise doubts with the sheriff
    about it being an accident, and risk having an investigation 
    started which could ultimately implicate her in the plot. And
    if she and Catherine were actually in cahoots in the plot, and
    Catherine was found out to be involved, she would certainly 
    implicate Josie as well. But then again, perhaps Josie isn't
    worried about Catherine because she is counting on her demise...
    I dunno, but this is a tough one to figure.....



"Sounds like you've been snacking on some of the local mushrooms....."

In article <1731@s5.Morgan.COM> maus@honest_crocus.morgan.com (Malcolm
Austin) writes:
> >In article <1596@prang.UUCP> marciano@prang.TEST.Vitalink.COM.UUCP
(marciano pitargue) writes:
>> >>In article <6788@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM> ellis@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM
(Cynthia Ellis) writes:
>>> >>>One thing that has always puzzled me is that I haven't heard of of the
>>> >>>specifics about typing the semen in Laura's body. Some sort of typing MUST
>>> >>>have been done for it to be known that Laura had sex with three different 
>>> >>>men the night she died. As I remember, the typing used relates to (Is the 
>>> >>>same as?) blood-typing. I believe it's used with rape victims to identify
>>> >>>rapists by blood type. Any comments on this from sharper TP watchers than I?
>> >>
>> >>they (they being the "they" that everyone uses") can now do dna tracing
>> >>of the sperm.  now rapists can be positively identified this way.
>> >>
>> >>analogout to fingerprints,   dna-prints???
> >
> >but my impression is that DNA
> >typing would not be useful here. 

It had to be blood typing, and it must be that they identified three
blood types.  The most you can say from that is that she had sex with
-at least- three different men.  This evidence would rule out men
with any other blood type, but could not prove specifically who her
partners were.

My wife is a research scientist in microbiology and says DNA typing
would be impossible here because the chromosomes found would be loose,
all mixed together, and there'd be no way to form them into sets for
each man involved.  On the other hand, I have heard her grumbling
before at TV plots that involve impossible scientific evidence, so it
may be that in the Twin Peaks world they could prove it with DNA.

In article <JYM.90Sep18161431@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >      * * *
> >.-.
> >|I|'m wondering who "the mystery man in the woods" is.  It sounds
> >`-' as if it's Leo, but she might have been free-associating, and
> >    went from talking about "BOB" to talking about Leo . . .
> >    <_Jym_>




There has to be some significance to the fact that BOB is always in 
caps, as if it's not a name but an acronym.  Remember that Harry told 
Cooper that the Bookhouse Boys had been originally created (with a 
suggestion that this is a very old tradition in the area, predating 
current residents) because there was something very evil out in the 
woods. 

I think BOB is the Thing in the Woods.  (Maybe it's Bigfoot!  :-)

--Barbara


--
Barbara HlavinReason, an ignis fatuus of the mind,
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduWhich leaves the light of nature, 
U Washington AI-10/Seattle 98195Sense, behind.  -John Wilmot

In article <1990Sep17.031007.10573@julius.cs.uiuc.edu>, zweig@cs.uiuc.edu (Johnny Zweig) writes:
> >
> > it seems pretty clear that Dale was indeed wearing his bulletproof 
> > tuxedo.  

  This sorta makes sense.  In fact, if he WASN'T wearing a bullet
  proof vest or tuxedo, I would say that the writers were lazy.  After
  all, he did just come home from a sort of stake out where the
  possibility was high that there may be gunfire.  Being the meticulous
  agent that he is, there is no reason why he shouldn't be wearing
  something bulletproof.

-- -- jogle att!floyd!jogle jogle@floyd.att.com

In article <59533@bbn.BBN.COM>, saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) oozed:
==> 
==> But Leo worked for Hank. In the previous episode, when Hank got out of jail
==> one of the first things he did was to beat up Leo and (retrospectively)
==> warn him "I asked you to mind the store, not open up a franchise." The
==> obvious business was the drug running operation, but I'm not sure if
==> that was the "franchise". Hank is in business with Jose - one wonders
==> what the business is.

the original theory on this (way back when t.p. first aired)
was that this had something to do with leo _marrying_ shelley.  
hank says something to norma about shelley (in the diner when
he asks if he can finish his coffee), and was surprised at her 
answer that leo and shelley got married.

hmmm?
-- ``Jimmy Stewart from Mars'' -- Julee Cruise on David Lynch

Spoilers concerning the diary.



Just finished the diary pretty heavy stuff. Well I think I have some
ideas as to the significance of BOB. 1st of all BOB is the person
who raped a very young Laura while she was in the woods. The identity
of the molester was known to her, someone whom she trusted implicitly
which leads me to 3 possible suspects: 1. Leland (though I see him
as the least likely); 2. Ben Horne; 3. Dr. Hayward (I don't know
about him, he has always been a little to concerned about Laura's
goodness, delivering her). I think that BOB either repeatedly 
molested her, or that the 1st & only incident just kept coming back
to her in dreams; the ordeal was such that she blocked it out of
her mind, & subconsciously the identity of the person became masked
as the Evil Man in the Woods, BOB. Her growing maturity, & her experimentation
with drugs caused BOB to manifest itself as one of her characteristics,
a darker side, a side that used sex as power, just as "BOB" the molester
had done to her years before. Now, I almost view the character "Mike,"
the One-Armed-Man as another manifestation of her personality, one
that had seen, & know evil but was disperately trying to break away.
In one of her dreams she dreams of a big rat, which I take to symbolize
herself, she then writes that she felt that the rat was trying to bit her
which she disperately feared so then she inturn bit (maybe cut--can't
exactly remember) her own foot off. Then in Coop's dream he says that
Mike killed BOB. Therefore I think that Laura did infact kill herself.
In one of her last entires she mentions that she knows who BOB is
 take this to mean that
she now knows who the molester was, & thus the shoke being too much,
compounded by the excessive Coke use, she took her own life to save
herself from something even much more dreadful, as she did in her
rat dream. I think that the Theresa Bank's murder was done by 
Laura during one of her more violent S&M orgies. Now what about the
plastic, well that I am not sure, except I think her being wrapped
in plastic could have been done by the molester; the incident 
at the abandoned train could have been a confrontation between
her & the cause of her ills, & then instead of giving into BOB
this time, as she had in the past, she committed suicide, & BOB
to conceal all this, wrapped her up & tossed her into the River.
Now, who is BOB, the molester BOB.  Leland, I doubt; though he may
have had an incestuous incounter with her somehow having been 
seduced by Laura--just as poor Howard was--in one of her sicker
moments. As for Ben, he seems to try the parental role with her:
the horse, treating her better than Audrey, etc. He is someone she
trusts(ed), so it could have been him. Yet the one person whom she
really speaks highly of is Dr. Hayward. This causes me to put
him pretty high on the list.

So BOB represents the molester (Leland, Ben or Dr. Hayward), it
then manifests into a darkerside of Laura. Laura herself becomes
a BOB corrupting everyone around her--much like in Blue Velvet
with the Dorthy Valens character, she is brutalized by Frank, 
& inturn does so to Jeffery (evil pours over & corrupts others).
When she finally remembers who the molester is, compounded by
the knowledge of her life, she opts for suicide, & possibly
some peace.


Ciao


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In heaven everthing is fine...You've got your good
things, & I've got mine  Girl-in-the-Radiator,
"Eraserhead"  sally@mica.berkeley.edu

In article <1158600048@cdp> forestwatch@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >One geographical point here.  While we might assume that
> >Twin Peaks is located in Washington state--since it is filmed around
> >Snoqualmie Falls and N. Bend. ...Eastern Washington is an arid landscape of
> >rolling hills.  The Idaho panhandle, however, is wet, mountainous, 

But Snoqualmie Falls, North Bend, and Fall City are all
in *Western* Washington, on the west side of the Cascades!

Honest.  I went hiking up there just a few weekends ago,
and I'm positive I would've remembered crossing the
Cascades.  We did get pretty high up into 'em, but I
didn't see the Eastern side :-)

Ellen Eades