Season 2, Episode 06: Demons — November 03–09, 1990

TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
[I've changed the title slightly, since some of these questions were
asked only once or twice, but have been answered ad nauseum.]

Last update: 11/9/90

[Many of these concern what various people said.  Many thanks to Bart
J. Geraci, the man with the closed caption decoder.]

WARNING: This article may contain references to any episode up to and
including the most recent one shown in the U.S.  

1. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
-- French
   b) What did he say?
-- J'ai une ame solitaire: I have a solitary soul.
   c) Didn't he look an awful lot like David Lynch?
-- Yes, that's because he's Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.
   (For handy reference, look at Gordon Cole (Cooper's boss): he's played
   by David Lynch.)

2. What was that ditty Leland was singing, and what does it mean?
-- The full lyrics of the song are:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and little lambzy divy.
A kiddly divy, too, wooden shoe?

Now if the words sounds queer,
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivy,
Sing:

Mares eat oats and does eats oats
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?

   If necessary, go look up "mare," "doe" and "kid" in the dictionary.

3. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm.  No, he didn't
play Lurch.

4. Who was that standing outside the window while Josie was seducing
Harry?
-- The majority of posters believe it was the Mysterious Asian
Gentleman, also known as "Jonathan", Josie's "cousin" from
Hong Kong.  Those who have suggested other people are pushing it.

5. What were the three predictions that the giant made to Cooper?
-- a man in a smiling bag
   the owls are not what they seem
   without chemicals, he points

   The giant also said something about "Leo locked in a hungry horse,"
and that there was a clue at Leo's house.  However, these were
not the "predictions" which will be fulfilled before Cooper
gets his ring back.  The former refers to the fact that Leo
was in jail in Hungry Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was
killed, and the latter refers to the Circle Brand boots that
were found with the cocaine at Leo's house.

6. What did the person say who answered the phone when Andy called
"Gwen and Larry", where he thought Lucy was staying?
-- "Adams abortion clinic"

7. What did Harold say to Laura and Maddy as he scratched his face
with the garden fork?
-- "Are you looking for secrets? Is that what all this is about?
 Well, maybe I can help you. Do you know what the ultimate
 secret is? You want to know?
 Laura did.
 The secret of knowing who killed you."

8. Hey! Maybe 'BOB' is really J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the
Subgenius!
-- Cute, but no.

9. Is there any connection between all the donuts they eat on Twin
Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech?  What he
literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
-- Cute, but no.

10. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later
at the police station?
-- "Through the darkness of future past
    the magician longs to see
    one chants out between two worlds
    'Fire walk with me.'"

11. How were the funny voices in the dream sequence done?
-- Before shooting the scene, the actors were recorded reading their
lines.  The recording was then played to them backwards, and
they were recorded imitating it.  The imitation backwards-
talking tape was then reversed to produce the voice track of
the scene, and the actors lip-synched as the scene was shot.
[Correct me if I'm missing any details.]

12. Who was that long-haired guy in the background when Cooper brought
Audrey to the Bookhouse from One Eyed Jack's?  It looked like BOB!
-- Nope.  It was Joey Paulson, who's a friend of James and is one of
the Bookhouse Boys (he was also the one who took Donna to meet
James in the woods, early in the series).  Further evidence
that it was Joey in that scene is that Joey gets a credit at
the end of the episode (BOB does not).
--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA
"This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top."  -- Lula

In article <1269@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:
| In article <1990Nov2.171916.21545@csc.ti.com> mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
| >                                     I only know of one TP costume - someone
| >did Agent Cooper.  The one I expected to see the most was a LP, wrapped in
| >plastic.  But I didn't see one.
| 
| I'm curious.  How does someone do an Agent Cooper costume?  I would
| imagine someone who happens to have a striking resemblence to
| Coop could take advantage of that.

I went as Agent Cooper to a wedding rehersal that was held in costume;
I wore a blue jacket with big yellow FBI letters on the back (like the
one Coop wore when they met the Log Lady in her cabin), and had my
hair slicked back with some goop.

The costume actually worked a little too well -- I scared a person
staying at the same hotel when I walked out wearing it -- they told me
later they thought it was a drug raid!



--
-- Tim Olson
Advanced Micro Devices
(tim@amd.com)

In article <7959@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:
> >
> >...come on, that whole [traincar] scene is there for a reason: to try and shed
> >some light on what happened at the traincar and what ronnette
> >saw...BOB is clearly very angry or exultant...furthermore, he is
> >pounding something...i think we can all accept that...now, if u think
> >BOB killed her, then u think he was exultant and pounding her

No.  What if BOB was upset that he killed her?  That Laura made him
kill her?  Or what if the host was upset that BOB made him do it?
Killers aren't always happy that they had to kill, sometimes
people are forced into killing, when they wish they didn't have to.
These ideas aren't totally unfounded,  Laura talked about a planned 
confrontation with BOB in the diary, perhaps a trade, a battle, or
sacrificing herself.  I'll follow this up at the bottom of the post.

The only new idea in the "BLACK MAGIC" theory is that Laura, (paraphrased)
"sacrificed herself to demons/owls before BOB could get her."   
(We've seen the idea that Laura sacrificed herself to BOB or forced 
him to kill her before).

Who is the third man Laura had sex with?  Whose blood was found at the 
traincar?  It wasn't owl or demon blood, nor owl or demon semen.  :)  
Police established that there was a third man at the traincar, who was it?
Laura hit Ronette with a hammer?  Ronette indicates BOB did.  I suppose
Ronette could have been hit by BOB after Laura sacrificed herself,
but I think she was hit early on in the traincar scene.  A demon or owl
used a hammer?  Or do you think Laura brought the hammer?  BOB wasn't 
around when Laura was still alive, as implied by Ronette's vision?
If Laura was planning on sacrificing herself, why did she expose
her good friend Ronette to that hell?  Someone tied up Laura at the
traincar, do you think Ronette did it?  Where did Laura learn how
to sacrifice herself to owls and demons?  Why would these evil creatures
cooperate in Laura's plan to frustrate their buddy BOB?


I think BOB killed Laura via a human host-- Leland, or less likely Ben.   
I don't know exactly why BOB killed her, but I definately think Laura's 
actions had something to do with when and why she was killed.

Really hokey ideas follow.  *Many of these are similiar and overlap...*
These ideas mostly come from my reading of the diary.  The quotes are
my own.

1) Laura felt that something she did that night could get rid of BOB.
Some kind of exorcism.  Whoops!  Maybe it worked, but it cost her life.

2) Laura made a trade deal with BOB to get rid of him.  Perhaps BOB
is hanging out in Ronette or Maddy now.  "Let me die!" 
"FIND ME A VICTIM TO TAKE YOUR PLACE"  "Sure!  Is Ronette cute enough?"
(see pg 85 + 175 of the diary to learn more about a possible trade w/BOB)

3) Laura couldn't take BOB anymore, and forced BOB to kill her.  
BOB normally would't let Laura kill herself, but Laura found a way
to make BOB do it.  "Hey BOB, if you don't kill me, I will make
your existance totally unfun.  We both know you are eager for fun.
I also know who and what you are and will tell everyone."

4) Laura couldn't take BOB anymore.  She finally discovered a weakness
in BOB, a way to really hurt him, and confronted him with it that night.  
She hoped it would have really harmed or killed BOB, but instead BOB was 
forced to kill her in self defense.  Perhaps Laura did succeed in screwing 
BOB over to some degree, anyway.
 
5) Laura didn't find a way to harm BOB, but she did discover a way to really
piss him off.  BOB killed Laura, to stop her pissing him off. Similar
to #3, without the desire to die.  "hey BOB, you are unclean, not me.
I know how to make your life very unpleasant and I will.  Revenge is sweet"

6) BOB killed Laura, as had been planned by him for years.  The experiment
was over.  Nexxxxt.   (Theresa, then Laura, then who?)

7) Laura knew too much about him, as stated on the last page of the diary.
BOB killed a potential threat.  Laura didn't want to die, and didn't
directly threaten BOB with her knowledge as in #3.

that's enough for now.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  "BOB needs a human host  for his gameshow"

I'm taking this black magic theory discussion to mail , just in
case you are wondering where it went.

I hope people read the reasons I gave why BOB might have killed Laura, 
comment on them, and offer some of their own reasons.  I know some
of them sound rather goofy, I'm just trying to consider the possibilities.

I don't think we've really talked much about why Laura was murdered.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu   FREE KUWAIT, TIBET, AND HANK

In article <60728@bbn.BBN.COM> syswerda@bbn.com (Gilbert Syswerda) writes:
> >The killer is certainly not a news reporter. They are strangely absent from
> >Twin Peaks.

They have news reporters at the train car where Laura was killed.
Shelly sees this coverage for a bit and Leo asks her to turn it off.
News reporters covered the burned mill too.

> >Imagine how different the show would be if CNN were
> >there interviewing anyone and everyone and putting them on national
> >television. 

I'm glad somehow that the show doesn't have this feel to it.

"This is Catherin Crier"  "and Bernard Shaw"  "Tonight, a strange
series of murders visit a Northwestern lumber town.  CNN has managed
to arrange a live interview with two people who claim to know
about the killer.  First, Margaret, affectionately called the Log Lady
in this formerly sleepy logging town.

"Tell us about what you saw Margaret."

"I dream like other people sometimes.  It just happens.  Fire is the 
devil hiding like a coward in the smoke.  The fish aren't running yet.  
My husband met the devil once.  Sometimes children are victims.  
Sometimes owls are big.  Things are not what they s.."

">caughs<  our next witness is Mike Gerard.  Mike, tell us about the
murderer."

"He needs a human host.  He is an inhabiting spirit.  He is BOB,
eager for fun, he wears a smile, everybody run.   Through the darkness
of future pasts...

"the killer.  Tell us about the killer."

"oh, but when I saw the face of god, I was purified. I took the whole arm off."

(men in white coats take Mike and Margaret away)

"Back to you Catherine"

Michael Kaye horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu "BOB Barker needs a new host for his gameshow"

In article <8243@gollum.twg.com>, lefty@twg.com ("Lefty") writes...
> > 
> >Um, basically correct about it having no relation to trains (where do 
> >people get these ideas, anyway?), ...

Probably comes from association of the song "Pennsylvania 6-5000" with another
big Glenn Miller hit, "Chattanooga Choo-choo"

-pd

Coop wasn't punching Blackie's cousin:  He was giving her CPR!!!

In article <17145@shlump.nac.dec.com> p_davis@epik.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis)
> >
> >In article <8243@gollum.twg.com>, lefty@twg.com ("Lefty") writes...
>> >> 
>> >>Um, basically correct about it having no relation to trains (where do 
>> >>people get these ideas, anyway?), ...
> >
> >Probably comes from association of the song "Pennsylvania 6-5000" with another
> >big Glenn Miller hit, "Chattanooga Choo-choo"

An earlier poster pointed out that Pennsylvania 6-5000 is the phone number
of a hotel near a train station.  I think the poster said that train
patrons often stayed there?

  Maybe this song was pointing at BOB in the Great Northern hotel?
Maybe I'm stretching things to an absurd degree? :)  I have always
thought that whether Leland did it himself or not, he had
some knowledge of BOB and what might have happened to Laura.
Hey!  I even have a quote from the diary that suggests this.  pg 111.

"Maybe Dad knows BOB, too, but Mom won't let us talk about him
because it makes everyone... so upset...?  I don't know."

Also remember the scene at the Gazebo where Leland cries holding Laura,
afraid of something. (diary)

Leland knows alot about BOB than just what he looks like...

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu     FREE KUWAIT AND TIBET

If these questions have been raised, I apologize:

1. Was it ever determined where Leland was the night Laura died? 
Perhaps it was, I don't remember.  He was at the Great Northern that
morning with the Norwegians, but the night before...?

2.  Another hint that it might be Leland (probably already mentioned)
was that earlier in the first season, Leland starts dancing with Laura's
framed photo to Transylvania 6-5000.  He breaks the glass and spills his
blood over her face.  Pretty incriminating eh?


--------------------------------------------------
Andrew SternCarnegie Mellon University
as4e@andrew.cmu.eduShoe Size: 9 1/2

"There's the one-armer now!"
-David Lynch

In article <9011091111.AA00174@t6g.cs.man.ac.uk> faradayp@project4.computer-science.manchester.ac.uk writes:
> >We in th UK are only into the 3rd episode of Twin Peaks,and reading that
> >ABC in the US is about to show the conclusion episode,wouldn't it be
> >thoughtful if any one from the US writing about the solution put this
> >fact in the title.
> >We here in Manchester think that it is BIG ED (of the GAS FARM) but who
> >knows ?? Don't ruin it for us !!!
> >
> >Peter Faraday

No comment about Big Ed. :)
I would be willing to comply with this request if I knew everyone else
would, but I know they won't.  If you don't want it spoiled you probably
shouldn't read this group.  Someone will spoil it.  You must have been 
reading heaps of spoilers already about the show...  Most of the discussion 
here is about things that happen after the first 3 shows.  We can't put a 
spoiler warning on everything we post.  

Wasn't someone working on an alt.tv.twin-peaks.uk  or something similar?  
That would be a nice solution to the problem.

You should get as many people over there hooked on TP early on as possible.  
With the help of a friend with a VCR and a 31" TV I helped create a whole 
bunch of TP addicts.  Unfortunately they keep stealing my copy of the 
secret diary. :)

> >'Did you really have Reagan as your President ??'

Nobody ever said Americans were very bright.  We care more about 
our six pack and TV than who is President.   (just kidding! sort of!)

'Do you really have Margaret Thatcher as your Prime Minister?'

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu   FREE KUWAIT AND TIBET

Does anyone in the Pittsburg area have a copy of the Diary they would
like to loan to a sweet,charming, and immature man (read ME!)


Thanks in advance,

Rob "Physics major even if it kills me" Knapp

erk, I missed the last episode. Working on too many things at once, I could 
not assemble my VCR or Tapes for the last episode...

 If someone lives in the SiliCon Valley area, could they please mail me if 
it would be possible to get a copy of that last episode...

Be Seeing You.
                                        -The Prisoner
(Trying to Subtitle <Legally!> Dirty Pair-Flight 005 Conspiracy! :)

One guy at my office dressed as Philip Michael Gerard, complete with
suitcase full of one of every shoe he could find (though he chose
right shoes, and I thought it was left shoes).

ABC has been showing a commercial that goes along the lines of:
"One of these people killed Laura Palmer"
followed by quick shots of James, Ben, Donna, Maddy, Leland, Bobby,
Audrey, and Gerard (OAM).  Then there's a shot of someone pointing
at BOB's picture, followed by Truman and Cooper walking through a
doorway and finally Ed and Nadine in the diner (I'm not sure whether
the last four are intended to be suspects).  Anyhow, I guess this
"should" narrow down the list of suspects to exclude Andy and Harold
Smith, but we've never known ABC to be infallible in the past...

Blue

In article <10866@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> >Thanks to all those who sent me quotes -- if you don't see yours here,
> >then they're on Rob's list as well, and maybe Bill Sherman's list too.

I must mention that I don't actually have a list.  So please, nobody
send me e-mail asking for copies of my 'list'.

> >James: Why are you tense?
Since when did you get so tense?
> >Donna:Because I smoke.
Since I started smokin'.

(I think)


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings
us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

.-.
|H|mm.  Truman says that there's "a sort of evil out there in
`-' these old woods," and that it was here "long before us"
    and will be there "long after we're gone."
.-.
|M|ike (or, if you prefer, MIKE) says that BOB has been in
`-' the area for 40 years.  Leland seems to have run into BOB
    at about the same time.
.-.
|T|he question is, is BOB the evil out in the woods, or was
`-' he merely drawn to it?  Is Truman right about the evil
    being there for a long, long time?
.-.
|T|he Bookhouse seems rather '50s (especially in the diary).
`-' Are the Bookhouse Boys a relatively young institution?
.-.
|I| would guess that the evil predates BOB.  Twin Peaks is
`-' a gateway, a "place of power" as some would say, and BOB
    found lots of kindred spirits there.  And I'm still hoping
    there'll be some connection to "Bookwus" (as others have
    mentioned here).

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From today's San Francisco Chronicle (originally in the New York Times):

Big BBC Debut for 'Twin Peaks'

The British are fighting furiously against addiction to "Twin Peaks," which
arrived on the BBC's second channel last month, but it may be a losing battle.

The opening 90-minute pilot attracted 8.15 million viewers in the first week,
one of BBC-2's largest audiences ever. How the second episode did isn't known
yet, but some London households have begun to keep Tuesday evenings free, if
that's any indication. Broadcast time is 9 PM, with a repeat late Saturday
night.

But "Twin Peaks" also has caused considerable bafflement here.

Foreign Turf
------------

America, in David Lynch's interpretation, is definitely foreign territory, as
the critics see it.

"The garage man is having an affair with the lady at the diner, Laura has been
dating at least two boys and having an affair with the psychiatrist, Leo is a
wife beater, half the population snorts cocaine, there is a plot to raze the
sawmill and claim the insurance, local girls dabble in prostitution at One-Eyed
Jack's, and even the sheriff is carrying on with a Japanese widow," wrote
Christopher Dunkley in the Financial Times.

He also wrote that he would be surprised if "Twin Peaks" attracted more than
2.5 million viewers after the initial frisson had passed.

The French Like Director
------------------------

Many British critics have panned the series, perhaps because the dreaded French
across the English Channel are such fans of its creator, David Lynch, whose
"Wild at Heart" was judged the best movie at this year's Cannes International
Film Festival.

Recalling the violence in that film and in his earlier "Eraserhead," critic
Brett Arends wrote in the Guardian:

"You could make many things of movies like these. But you should never make
the mistake of Paul Morley, who in reviewing 'Twin Peaks' on 'The Late Show,'
said that David Lynch 'obviously doesn't know what he's doing.' David Lynch
knows exactly what he is doing.

"No film maker who's been making rubbish for 15 years while receiving massive
critical acclaim, no film maker who has made a bomb selling the world a TV
series whose greatest catch phrase is, apparently, 'That's a damned fine cup of
coffee,' does not know what he is doing. We may not know who killed Laura
Palmer, but we know who's making the killing now."

On Wednesday, one newspaper held a private preview for a selected audience and
reported: "If the rest of the country feels the same as our panel, the series
looks unlikely to become such a monster hit as it is in America.

"On the surface, Twin Peaks is a quiet American mountain town where apple--or
rather cherry--pie rules supreme. But its underbelly of corruption, drugs, and
illicit sex is exposed when Laura Palmer is murdered."

The Mail on Sunday ran a three-page exclusive culled from "The Secret Diary of
Laura Palmer," a "Twin Peaks" tie-in written by Lynch's daughter Jennifer that
was published in Britain last week by Penguin Books for $7.98 a copy.

A "Twin Peaks" computer game is planned for next year, according to the Times
of London. But the Sunday Times Magazine may have had the last word in an
article called "Lynch Pinned" that was published last August, long before "Twin
Peaks" arrived on these shores.

"The smart set who analyze the 'meaning' of 'Twin Peaks' are falling into his
trap," wrote Annie Leibovitz. "The only 'meaning' is the coherence of the
Lynch-shifted logic that keeps the series going."

Meanwhile, ABC is telling American viewers they will learn who killed Laura
Palmer in Saturday night's episode of "Twin Peaks."

As the full-page ad ABC has run in several magazines this week puts it:

"Finally. Find out who killed Laura Palmer. Really."
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There's no sense in being precise when | Jim Pellmann (jpellmann@rational.com)
you don't even know what you're talking | RATIONAL
about. --- John von Neumann | Santa Clara, California

In article <7959@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:
> >In article <708@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
>> >>In article <7949@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:
>>> >>>...we do not know it was BOB...i still think laura sacrificed herself
>>> >>>to avoid BOB...and if u think BOB did kill here, then how do u explain
>>> >>>his anger in the traincar scene?

(Then I responded that I didn't think BOB looked unhappy in that scene,
rather, that he was exultant and menacing.)

> >(...) BOB is clearly very angry or exultant...furthermore, he is
> >pounding something...i think we can all accept that...now, if u think
> >BOB killed her, then u think he was exultant and pounding her...if u
> >think on the other hand that she sacrificed herself (as i do ), then BOB was
> >pounding the mound of dirt that she used in the ritual...

I *do* think that BOB was pounding her -- just color me crazy.  If he
were pounding a mound of dirt, it wouldn't make that nasty squishy 'thunk'
sound.
I don't believe that Laura sacrificed herself, because, to me, it doesn't
match the facts (Ronette etc.) or the mood.  However, since things should be
much clearer by tomorrow night, I don't propose to rehash the details over
and over again.  But the fact that BOB often entered Laura's mind does
not imply that he would be unhappy if she died.  One may feel that
he was unhappy because he had lost a favorite plaything, but:
1) Laura had reached a new level of resignation about BOB, so he probably
wouldn't have gotten much out of prolonging the wait, and
2) It seems obvious that the lifelong campaign of terror was actually
leading up to her death.  This climax was planned all along, and
BOB made the most of the anticipation.

>> >>3) MIKE only inhabits P. M. Gerard, not other people like Ronette, as
>> >>somebody suggested.
> >...it is unclear to me how u arrived @ this conclusion...

It seemed implicit in MIKE's testimony about his inhabitation of Gerard.

> >console cowboy


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings
us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

I think I may have asked this before, but I'm not sure:

Hawk spots the One-Armed Man in the hospital, follows him, and loses him
in episode 1/1.  He reports this to Cooper in the beginning of 1/2. 
Cooper has his dream at the end of 1/2.

Question:  Why did Hawk follow the One-Armed Man, and why did Cooper
seem to think that Hawk's discovery of a one-armed man was so revealing?
 By that point in the story, there had been absolutely nothing *a
propos* a one-armed man.  What, at that point, made Philip Gerard worthy
of investigation?

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Just so it's said before tomorrow's (supposedly) revealing episode:

MIKE discovers that BOB's host is Laura.  MIKE possesses Ronette in the
train car and attacks Laura, trying to kill BOB's host with BOB trapped
inside.  Perhaps Laura (and Ronette, under Laura's persuasion) summoned
MIKE.  MIKE and BOB, in the bodies of Ronette and Laura, have a
struggle, in which Ronette and Laura are both wounded, Laura fatally so.
 BOB escapes Laura just in time, and Laura dies finally free of BOB.

1 day, 5.75 hours before I'm made to look like a fool...

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I caught the tail end of some ABC commercial showing a
crumpled piece of paper being unraveled to show a
message saying "Laura Palmer's killer will be revealed
this saturday".  All these voices started saying are you sure?
An a definite "YES" responded, then they had some graphics on
the screen flashing "You WILL find out".  Anways, it seems
to me that they were saying "I know we have said this before
and you may have lost trust in us, but THIS TIME YOU WILL FIND
OUT FOR SURE".  Like maybe the network wants to put some
unquestionable guideline to the viewing audience so that Lynch
can't try to gloss over the issue with another vague answer.

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Making predictions seems to be the thing to do at this time, so I want to
push for mine: Pete. It's not too logical and as far as I can tell, there
are only three things that might support it:

 1) I still think its odd that Pete just popped up at the Great Northern.
    We haven't seen him for awhile, and now that we are told that the 
    murderer is at the Great Northern, guess who whirls around with the
    words, "The King and I!"

 2) He did find the body. At some point, Frost claimed that it was obvious
    who killed Laura Palmer just from the pilot.

 3) He has been around for some time.

Like I said, it doesn't make too much sense and I would be happy if it turns
out to be false. But it just seems like the thing they would do if they wanted
to give viewers a real surprise. Which is not necessarily a good thing.

If I turn out to be right, send me lots of money.
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you missed) PLEASE use a local distribution.  If you do not know
how to do this, ask your system adminstrator.  There's no excuse
for sending your request world-wide; if the folks in Europe made
tapes for Americans they wouldn't be compatible anyway. :-)

(If you're at HP you use an incompatible system that can't do
distributions.  But I guess HP just has to be different).

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In article <AbCL4lG00Vsn4OYWEd@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

> >Many words are
> >gender-specific, or at least oriented toward one gender or the other. 
> >"Slut" is one such word, oriented toward use regarding certain women. 

Hey, as a male slut, I resent this, and I'm sure my brother sluts do
too.  Have a little consideration, bud.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <708@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:

> >2) I found Leo's kazoo noises to be rather more mournful than enraged.
> >But he's still menacing.  The shades enhanced it.

"I'm pretty sure" that this was a reference to Spuds MacKenzie.  I
think Leo looked strikingly like Spuds MacKenzie in those shades.
Note that the key letters R-B-T appear *nowhere* in "Spuds MacKenzie".
What could be more obvious?  I think Lynch/Frost are trying to tell us
that Spuds MacKenzie killed Laura, or perhaps that BOB has the form of
a dog.  Remember the one-armer says "I saw the face of God and was
changed. . ." And what's "God" backwards?  DOG!!!!!  Could it be that
DOG is the evil twin of GOD here???

Of course, this is just my theory, and could be untrue.  But I think
Spuds MacKenzie did it.  Does anyone else think Leo looks like Spuds
MacKenzie?  Could someone with a VCR please single frame through the
entire series for me to see if there are any other clues that Spuds
did it?  

Your TP Pal,

Rod ("just started watching Twin Peaks six months ago") Johnson

PS. By the way, what *did* that little boy say?!?!

PPS. What if R-B-T was supposed to spell out the initials of Rin Tin
Tin, but the killer was too clumsy to get all the letters right??  I
think this is another clue that the killer is a dog.  Dogs are clumsy.

PPPS. And their breath is *terrible*!

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <5901@rtech.Ingres.COM> elvira@ingres.com (Eric G. Elvira) writes:
> >My vote is a YES to create rec.arts.tv.twin-peaks.
> >
> >I know there is an alt group but as many people have said a lot of sites do
> >not get the alt groups. Why should we discriminate against those sites?

Because we *can*!

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <13700047@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:

> >Great clue...Ben Horne gave Laura a horse as a BDay present!
> >Incriminating evidence!

Remind me not to hire you as my attorney, Bob.  "Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury, we intend to show that my client is not guilty of the
death of Laura Palmer, and that one Benjamin Horne is guilty of that
crime, based on the fact that he once arranged for her to receive a
pony as a gift, and that some time after her murder, a white horse
appeared in a vision in the Palmer living room.  Or something."

Seriously, even if Cooper manages to implicate BOB--how the hell do
you prosecute a spirit?  Even Albert might have trouble with this one.
"Well, your honor, based on a sample of ectoplasm found at the scen of
the crime. . . ."

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <17059@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >I've got my crow sitting around waiting to be eaten if it turns out that
> >Mr. T *is* Catherine, but I fully expect that crow to be alive and well
> >and undigested at the turn of the century.

That would be an Old Crow indeed, and I'd like a couple fingers of it
please. 


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <8702@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (Heather Vinopal) writes:
> >News reporters covered the burned mill too.

 Mark Frost, in fact.


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings
us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

   (Please forgive me if my netnews etiquette is all wrong. This is my
first attempt at a posting and time is running out for a timely entry.)

  For sure, MIKE killed Laura. I have no idea who, physicaly the third
"man" was, but maybe that doesn't matter anymore(sort of).  If Ronette,
the OAM, or possibly Leo (longshot) carried out the act, it was MIKE
who committed the murder.  Who BOB's host was couldn't make any difference
to MIKE.

  I think BOB went into Ronette,not MIKE, so as to survive the ritual
murder of Laura, escaped, and came back to try and revive Laura. From
there, Laura's body somehow got wrapped in plastic and carried off(I
doubt Ronette was in condition for that without supernatural energy).
Someone had to care about Laura to WANT her body to be found--and BOB
yearns for Laura and returns every time someone is mistaken for her.

   When Ronette was at the hospital, why couldn't BOB have entered
Mr. Palmer for a time, using him to kill Jacque, Laura's supposed killer
& thus MIKE's host.  Then, finished with Leiland, BOB leaves and goes
into another host to hide in case MIKE comes after Jacque's 'murderer'.
Tit for Tat.

 MIKE does not know for a fact who BOB's host is, he is only guessing
at Mr. Palmer because  he  confessed to murdering 'Laura's killer'.

 So much of what happened after the murder points to MIKE being the
responsible party.  The other question to be answered in whom  did
BOB go after he  was done with Leiland?  and  why  is  Nadine  gone
totally apeshit w/supernatural strength and energy, all of a sudden?!

Why _I_ think Andydidit, and then afterwards, why Johnny Horne did it if 
Andy is not the guy whom I think he is:

In the diary, Laura describes in very explicit detail one of the ways in 
which BOB has abused her. She tells about BOB masturbating, ejaculating 
in her hands, then forcing her to recite the following poem while licking 
it from her hands:
"This little bitch 
 Is awfully sorry
 This little bitch
 Drinks you up
 Within this seed is death indeed."
 ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

And remember, ANDY IS STERILE. Now, really. Don't you think Andy KNEW he 
was sterile? He HAS to be smarter than he looks. Not that that would be 
hard... :) And besides, who would a little girl trust more to go out her 
window with than a policeman?

And, why Johnny Horne did it:

In the last entry of the diary, Laura tells that she knows who and 
exactly what BOB is, and she has to tell everyone. But nobody else seems 
to know anything about this BOB guy, despite her saying she would reveal 
his ID. So, whoever she told first (and thus the only person she told) 
must have been BOB. Either that, or we have a lot of forgetful people in 
Twin Peaks. 
Now, assuming that BOB is an evil spirit and isn't necessarily possessing 
his human host at all times, perhaps Laura did not know that BOB was 
inhabiting Johnny, she had just figured out that he was some sort of 
astral consciousness, she would have gone to the person she trusted most 
in the whole world to tell this too, even if she knew he wouldn't 
understand. And this person was Johnny.
I know, pretty weak, nor does it explain Theresa Banks. Andy, at least, 
might have a reason for being in the part of the state Theresa Banks was 
murdered - some sort of intercounty case?

And then, if all else fails, why Ben Horne did it: :)

In the Diary, Troy is found unshod, unfed, with two broken legs, out by 
the railway at the state border. (also where and how[approximately] 
Ronette Pulaski was found, I might add) Ben found him, and watched him 
take two bullets to the skull. On the phone with Laura, he stated that he 
would get whoever did this and make them pay. Who knows, maybe he found 
out just who did it. (Laura, for those who haven't read the diary - she 
set him free from his stable due to her sex hangups)

Of course, this does not explain Theresa Banks either. None of my 
theories adequately explain Theresa Banks, the letters, the visions, why 
BOB looks like he does, etc. But it sounds good! :)

------------------------THIS SPACE FOR RENT-----------------------

All right.  I went back and checked my tape several times.  There are
two scenes in which there are people in the background at the
bookhouse.  In the first scene, it is the BOB look-alike, who talks
briefly to the Truman look-alike in the background.

In the second scene, the person definately looks like Joey Paulsen, at
least from how I remember him.  The people in the two scenes ARE NOT
THE SAME!  The next question is, is the person in the first scene
really BOB, or just a bookhouse boy that LOOKS like BOB when he's out
of focus?

Good Grief!  I'm becoming one of those pathetic people that frames
through scenes to find clues!  ACK!!

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> > Rob Jellinghaus writes...
> > 
> > This has been bothering me :-).  Is it:
> > 
> >    - one chants out  between two worlds (Ed Hughes)
> >    - one chance outs between two worlds (Rob Jellinghaus)
> >    - one chance out  between two worlds (me) ?
> > 
> > Also, is it "through" or "in" the darkness?  We've heard this quote twice, is
> > exactly the same in both places?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Edmund Burnette, SAS Institute Inc.    (919)677-8000 | sasebb@unx.sas.com
> > SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC 27513  (919)677-8123(fax) | ...!mcnc!rti!sas!saseb
> > Seen at local grocery store: "Looking for part time perishable clerk"


The poem:

Through the darkness of future past
The magician longs to see
One chants out between two worlds
"Fire, walk with me."

At this point, "chants" makes much more sense. MIKE was chanting out 
between two worlds both times he said this; he was straddled between his 
world and the dream-world the first time, and he was between his world 
and our world the second time. If it were "chance," then the poem would 
be meaningless...

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In article <18272@know.pws.bull.com> suedoe@PWS.BULL.COM (Susan Doe) writes:
> >
> >hi!  are you folks sick of the theme music to twin peaks yet?
> >do you find it necessary to mute the volume during the opening
> >credits of the show?  is this subject too boring fory you.???

I am in complete agreement with the person who said they want to
have the music to Twin Peaks piped into their head and I'm going
to play it at my wedding. So there.

-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "She sat very upright...and read to her grand- | mother about a cat who ate a rat and afterwards, | feeling replete, no doubt, sat upon a mat."

In article <8699@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (Heather Vinopal) writes:
> >
> >In article <7959@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:
>> >>
>> >>...come on, that whole [traincar] scene is there for a reason: to try and shed
>> >>some light on what happened at the traincar and what ronnette
>> >>saw...BOB is clearly very angry or exultant...furthermore, he is
>> >>pounding something...i think we can all accept that...now, if u think
>> >>BOB killed her, then u think he was exultant and pounding her
> >
> >No.  What if BOB was upset that he killed her?  That Laura made him
> >kill her?  Or what if the host was upset that BOB made him do it?
> >Killers aren't always happy that they had to kill, sometimes
> >people are forced into killing, when they wish they didn't have to.

...if u had quoted me further, u would have seen that i said "whatever
theory u come up with, it must explain the traincar scene"...the above
examples which u quoted me are just examples...of course there are
many variations on why bob would be angry, some of which u list
above...

> >The only new idea in the "BLACK MAGIC" theory is that Laura, (paraphrased)
> >"sacrificed herself to demons/owls before BOB could get her."   
> >(We've seen the idea that Laura sacrificed herself to BOB or forced 
> >him to kill her before).

...remind me...it took a while to come up with my theory and being
able to tie it in to all aspects of the show (traincar,3rdman,etc)...
i don't recall seeing anything similar until after i posted mine...

> >Who is the third man Laura had sex with?

i believe my theory states it may have been harold...

> >Whose blood was found at the traincar?

again, my theory says that the blood could have been of supernatural
origin, or it could be the blood of the 3rd man...now that i think of
it, perhaps laura needed human blood for the sacrifice and simply
stole some from the hospital blood blank...what about that?

> >Police established that there was a third man at the traincar, who was it?

i already told u...just don't assume the 3rd man is related to the
murder...

> >Laura hit Ronette with a hammer?  Ronette indicates BOB did.  I suppose
> >Ronette could have been hit by BOB after Laura sacrificed herself,
> >but I think she was hit early on in the traincar scene.  A demon or owl
> >used a hammer?  Or do you think Laura brought the hammer?  BOB wasn't 

refresh my memory...where was it stated that ronette was hit with a
hammer?...how does ronette indicate that bob hit her with a hammer?

> >BOB wasn't around when Laura was still alive, as implied by Ronette's vision?

her vision implies that laura *was* still alive when BOB was around!

> >If Laura was planning on sacrificing herself, why did she expose
> >her good friend Ronette to that hell?  Someone tied up Laura at the
> >traincar, do you think Ronette did it?  Where did Laura learn how
> >to sacrifice herself to owls and demons?  Why would these evil creatures
> >cooperate in Laura's plan to frustrate their buddy BOB?

in my theory, it states that she probably wanted someone to know what
she was planning to do...she didn't want to end up without a proper
burial, so she brought ronnette to be able to tell the world what
happened...perhaps she also need ronette to tie her up,etc...maybe
laura learned from harold about the sacrifice procedure...maybe she
learned form BOB...at the end of the diary, she say she knows exactly
who and what BOB is...how did she find that out?...perhaps she found
the sacrif procedure the same way...the "evil creatures" u mention
have no concern for fellow demons...what, u think they'll say "oh no,
we can't take laura palmer's life/soul because BOB has been working on
corrupting her for the last 8 years....that wouldn't be fair"... :-)

> >I think BOB killed Laura via a human host-- Leland, or less likely Ben.   
> >I don't know exactly why BOB killed her, but I definately think Laura's 
> >actions had something to do with when and why she was killed.

i can't disagree more...based on last week's show, why would BOB
destroy the thing (laura) on which he feeds (her fears/pleasures)...as
for the host, i don't believe there is sufficient evidence for anyone
to be identified as BOB's host except for leland...and that's assuming
u think bob only invades one body!

> >2) Laura made a trade deal with BOB to get rid of him.  Perhaps BOB
> >is hanging out in Ronette or Maddy now.  "Let me die!" 
> >"FIND ME A VICTIM TO TAKE YOUR PLACE"  "Sure!  Is Ronette cute enough?"
> >(see pg 85 + 175 of the diary to learn more about a possible trade w/BOB)

laura tried a trade once and it didn't work...plus laura wouldn't do
that...in the end she knew either her or BOB would leave the earth

> >3) Laura couldn't take BOB anymore, and forced BOB to kill her.  
> >BOB normally would't let Laura kill herself, but Laura found a way
> >to make BOB do it.  "Hey BOB, if you don't kill me, I will make
> >your existance totally unfun.  We both know you are eager for fun.
> >I also know who and what you are and will tell everyone."

no, she could have done (snitched) this anytime...nothing she could do could get
rid of him...BOB afraid of laura?...ha!

> >4) Laura couldn't take BOB anymore.  She finally discovered a weakness
> >in BOB, a way to really hurt him, and confronted him with it that night.  
> >She hoped it would have really harmed or killed BOB, but instead BOB was 
> >forced to kill her in self defense.  Perhaps Laura did succeed in screwing 
> >BOB over to some degree, anyway.

again, i can't see anything laura would be able to do to hurt
BOB...she *had* to kill herself in ritual fashion to deny BOB the
pleasure/reward of corrupting laura....that's the only way she could
hurt BOB and she did...BOB will have to begin again with maddy

> >7) Laura knew too much about him, as stated on the last page of the diary.
> >BOB killed a potential threat.  Laura didn't want to die, and didn't
> >directly threaten BOB with her knowledge as in #3.

i don't agree with 5,6 either...total drivel IMO...the diary pages
intrigue me...perhaps they were needed for the ritual and laura tore
them out, not even realizing it...the pages had to have been about BOB
or written by him for the ritual to work...or maybe BOB left the pages
at the murder site...kind of like leaving flowers at a grave...

> >that's enough for now.

it certainly is

console cowboy

In article <1990Nov08.235814.7880@unx.sas.com>, sasebb@galuppi.unx.sas.com (Edmund Burnette) writes...

}}} Through the darkness of future past,
[...]
}}} One...chants out, between two worlds,

} This has been bothering me :-).  Is it:

}   - one chants out  between two worlds (Ed Hughes)
}   - one chance outs between two worlds (Rob Jellinghaus)
}   - one chance out  between two worlds (me) ?

"Chants out". Someone with a closed-caption decoder gave the definitive
answer.

} Also, is it "through" or "in" the darkness?

Through.

} We've heard this quote twice, is it exactly the same in both places?

That part is. Not all of it is, though.

-- "Good thing you guys can't keep a secret." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

So I come home from the crepe place, turn on the tube to CNN
and what do I see?  Ray Wise, a.k.a Leland Palmer, the character
I think killed Laura Palmer.  Ray was really funny and sharp in 
the interview.

He said that he was originally supposed to play the part of Truman.
He bleaches his hair at the salon ,"with the most powerful chemicals
known to man", once a week.  He suggested that he's still waiting
for his character to become normal and happy.  (I think they've
filmed 14 episodes so far.)

He says that we haven't seen his most shocking acting roles yet, 
that we should look for some twisted acting by him in episodes 7 and 9.
They showed him singing Mairzy Doats and Get Happy.  I think he's got a 
tough act to top, in terms of getting any more twisted.  Aside from his 
singing, who can forget the bullwinkle/Leland dance, his dance with Ben 
and Jerry, breaking his daughters picture and smearing blood on it, 
and loving the coffin?  Leland is definately one of my favorite characters.


Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu   "Dance with me!  Dance with me!!"

In some article horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (Michael Kaye) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Nov5.145304.35433@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Rafael Juarez, SCA) writes:
>> >>
>> >>How in the world could Harold Smith have killed Laura Palmer if Harold
>> >>can't leave his apartment?  More accurately, how would he have gotten the body
>> >>to the water?

> >2) He fears to leave usually, but something about that night
> >made his desire to follow Laura greater than his desire to stay indoors.
> >Maybe he's really worried or curious about Laura that night.
> >
> >3) Laura talks him into following her that night, to get him out of
> >the house, and so that Ronette can meet her special friend.

mmmm...'bout 10 days ago i posted that harold is *not* afraid of the
dark (or we have an inconsistency).  the first time donna visits him
at night (i think it was on her second visit) we see a shot of him
answering the door.  he doesn't bother to check who it is, he just
opens the door wide.  whenever donna visited him during the day, he
peers out through the blinds first.  

i conclude that the dark is far less fearsome to harold than the daylight.

is he a vampire?...uh, no.

~spass

--
spass otto stoiantschewsky"i shot agent cooper"
put this subject in your kill file

 / sasebb@galuppi.unx.sas.com (Edmund Burnette) /  3:58 pm  Nov  8, 1990 /
writes:

> > This has been bothering me :-).  Is it:

> >   - one chants out  between two worlds (Ed Hughes)
> >   - one chance outs between two worlds (Rob Jellinghaus)
> >   - one chance out  between two worlds (me) ?

> > Also, is it "through" or "in" the darkness?  We've heard this quote
> > twice, is it exactly the same in both places?

I think that you are right, and that it's "in".  Both times.

- ced