Season 2, Episode 13: Checkmate — January 19–February 01, 1991

In article <1991Jan21.184153.18383@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:
> >  - Congrats to the people who said James was being set up.  You people sure
> >make me look smart to other TP followers who aren't on the net.

Yep.  I sometimes forget how much these net discussions make us aware of
even minor characters on the show and their activities.  I can be talking
to a friend who watches TP every wek and mention Doc Hayward or Shelly,
he'll look confused and ask "now who's that again?"

We really examine the show with an electron microscope.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

    Oooooooo....I thought it was creepy as all get-out that Leo had cake
smeared on his face and wore a party hat.  That sneer told Shelley and us that,
even though he was catatonic, he was aware of everything going on around him.
That really scared me--I screamed and woke up my SO, who wouldn't have
understood, anyway.  THINK about it!--Leo could hear everything between Shelley
and doofus-head, all those weeks.  I don't think Leo is a Bob-vessel.  He
doesn't need Bob-energy to be BAD.


Ilana.








r re re

In article <1991Jan21.194209.23277@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Me, I like Dick because he is so non-basic, frilly and imaginative,
> >which makes him vulnerable to the non-existent.

I have to admit that I for one think the entire Dick/Andy/Lucy/Nicky
plot is absolutely hysterical.  The ladder scene ("morals and manly
manners will win her back" - Andy), the scene in the double-R where
Nicky plays Dick and Andy against each other, and way back when
we originally met Dick (remember his discussion of his mnemonic
filing system?) all go down in my all-time favorites list.  I
think Dick is the most original and obnoxious character in TP
since Albert the coroner.  I especially enjoy the way Dick
and Andy have changed from bitter enemies into co-conspirators,
leaving Lucy in the cold wondering what they're up to.

By the way, I don't agree with the idea that Nicky is an evil
character - the tone of these scenes just isn't right.  Listen to
the music during these scenes - it's obvious that this whole plot
line is being played for laughs.  This theory reminds me too much
of the Andy-killed-Laura idea we heard last season... :^)

-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Half a mind is a terrible Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA thing to waste..." tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Zippy the Pinhead

/ jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) / 12:09 pm  Jan 18, 1991 /
writes:

>> >> is it common for a male heterosexual transvestite to use
>> >> campy gestures?
> >___
> >__  Denise seems to be revelling in femininity, not full-blown
> >_   camp (which is in part a parody of femininity).  Of course,
> >    Denise is also aware of the irony involved.
> >___
> >__  I think the femininity was used with great effect on Ernie.
> >_   <_Jym_>

Not to mention the effect on Jean Renault and the Mountie.

- ced

In article <91016.130810LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu>, LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu (Lisa Laidlaw) writes:
> > Would someone explain to me how it could be that I receive posts that
> > are titled as replys to other titles, when I don't get the original?
> > I have already thought about the fact that I don't log on everyday and
> > the original could be dropped from the listing, but I checked this
> > theory and since these are dated in order, and sometimes the title
> > is one that would have to refer to something that happened in a
> > certain episode, the logic of dropping a date that is in the middle
> > of the listing doesn't seem to work.
> > Do you know what I mean?  Not a great explanation, but is it possible
> > that I don't get all posts about TP?  Why might that happen?

Well, Lisa, I hate to break this to you, but USENET is a fairly large, anarchic
cluster of nodes. Every message kind of oozes its way across the network. Most
of the time, they ooze correctly. Occasionally, they ooze into a bad modem,
or a disk that's just about to have a head crash, or a system administrator
that deletes his spool because they need the disk space for real life.
Still, the odds are that the message did get to a large number of people,
some of whom feel compelled to reply. If they ooze a better path, you see
them.
As the old line goes, "Don't worry about how well a dancing bear dances. The
amazing thing is that he dances at all."


Kevin Wayne Williams
     UUCP : ...!ames!ncar!noao!asuvax!gtephx!williamsk

               Remember : Brute force has an elegance all its own.

From: ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky)
*mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
*> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
*>>
*>>It's quite possible that this is the first of many
*>>nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
*>>episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.
*>
*>Maybe. Leo's body strikes me as a good home for BOB, since
*>the previous tenant has done BOB the courtesy of leaving it
*>vacant.
*
*The record player that was turned on might lend some support for this theory.

Also, Leo was *smiling* with that manic grin we all know and love.

Jespah

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >
> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...
 
Yeah--that's the badge of the bookhouse boys, given to Coop by Harry
just after Coop got suspended.  He's the honorary member.

> >7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> >One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

Hank had the domino while he was in prison.  Whenever they seem to want to
show that Hank is there, watching, they show him fingering the domino.
There's probably a tie in to One Eyed Jacks, too.
> >
> >8. Most intriguing scene: Major Briggs rematerialization...where has he been?
> >And Where is he going?...cue Twilight Zone theme, fade to black...

I personally think we're getting ready for an invasion by evil aliens, and
the Air Force is following the developing scenario:  one which makes the
the cold war look like tiddly-winks (was that the quote?).
Major Briggs didn't know how long he had been gone, had mysterious scars on
his neck, and said that things were not good.


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(berggren@saturn.ucsc.edu)  |    it will never come true.
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I don't think anyone has made any mention of what I thought was the most
interesting scene of the episode -- the second scene where Major Briggs
appears from the flames sitting on a gray-white throne in the middle
of a wood or jungle.  There are what appear to be growling sounds 
from nearby.  Here is my theory surrounding this:

   Major Briggs, Bob, Laura and Wyndham Earle are all related.  _The_
classic confrontation is good vs. evil.  I think we will see the
representatives of good and evil, Cooper and Earle respectively, 
clash as Earle predicted in his tape.  Earle confessed that he would
sacrifice his queen.  This was Laura.  The sacrifice is what set up
the confrontation and confounded Cooper, leaving him open to attack
by the dwarf and Renault (evil pawns).  The key piece in the game
for Cooper, the man who has the information that can win it for
Cooper, is Major Briggs from the stone throne in the woods.  He
is Cooper's king.  If he dies, as Earle insisted in the tape that
he must, then Cooper will lose.  If, however, he can tell Cooper
what he knows but cannot remember because of the owl, then Earle
will be open to a loss.  Time for Cooper to castle.  He has to
find out what the owls really are.  Perhaps the Log Lady can help
him with this.  It's Cooper's move.
-- John Coppinger "You'll find that your left cuff link University of Kentucky will be communicating with your right johnc@s.ms.uky.edu cuff link via satellite" JOHNC@UKMA.BITNET -- Nicholas Negroponte

In article <119435@uunet.UU.NET> rbj@uunet.UU.NET (Root Boy Jim) writes:
> >(1) James opens Champagne bottle, pours, sets it on seat.
> >(2) James and Rich Bitch (I forget her name) talk.
> >(3) RB leans on fender, seductively.
> >(4) James tosses Champagne (what a cretin) onto ground,
> >    sets glasses on front seat, jumps RB's bones.
> >(5) WHERE DID THE CHAMPAGE BOTTLE GO?
> >
> >Root Boy Jim Cottrell <rbj@uunet.uu.net>

The bottle was abducted by the aliens  |-).  One thing i caught,
when he poured the bubbly, the glasses were 1/2 full of 'foam'
and bubbles, and the next second the drinks are 'headless' or flat.
pretty minor, but they do say timing is everything don't they?  ;-)

.....................................
a TPeaks rookie, so sue me.  
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In article <1991Jan22.052428.28309@ms.uky.edu> johnc@ms.uky.edu (John Coppinger) writes:
> >Major Briggs, Bob, Laura and Wyndham Earle are all related.  _The_
 
It's usually considered good practice on Usenet to use :)'s to indicate
sarcasm.  You might want to take a look at news.announce.newusers

I just figured something out (maybe). I heard that David Lynch actually
comes from Missoula, Montana. In the episode where Maddy is killed,
Leland smashes her head into a picture (which had "Missoula, Montana"
written on it) while saying words to the effect of "You're going
back to Missoula, MONTANA!"

Lynch directed that episode. He has not since directed any episodes.
Maddy represents Twin Peaks/Lynch. Lynch has gone back to Missoula.
Maddy was killed when her head struck the picture. Twin Peaks died
when Lynch stopped directing. Hence the symbolism leaves the show
and enters real life.

All right, it's a bit of a reach but it is kind of interesting.
How about this? If, as the last episode suggests, there is something
going on BENEATH Twin Peaks, could that have been what Maddy saw
a hint of when she saw something in the floor?

emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us

In article <5389@husc6.harvard.edu>, burns@sparkle.uucp (John Burns) writes...

} The more I watch Twin Peaks, the more I think that they really don't know
} what they're doing. Mark Frost's scripts have been the only really
} coherent ones. Every time Harley Peyton writes a script, the intellectual
} level of the show drops another notch.
} For example: There was no indication of concrete supernatural activity at
} the beginning of the show. [etc., etc.]

I assume that your using "concrete" to excuse Lynch & Frost's introduction
of Sarah's psychic visions (including the first we ever see of BOB), and
Coop's psychic dream, not to mention the later appearances of the Giant,
and the revelation of Leland's possession by BOB.

The fact that something isn't introduced at the beginning doesn't mean that
it wasn't planned to be introduced or that the introduction of it wasn't a
good thing. The original DARK SHADOWS was a simple, gothic soap opera with
no supernatural elements when it started. It only became supernatural with
the intro of Barnabas Collins sometime after it first appeared. That,
obviously, was a smart move on *their* part.

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In article <728@ministry.cambridge.apple.com>, mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes...

} I have a vague memory of an old science fiction movie in which alien space-
} ships come to earth and burrow into the ground. When they catch people, they
} alter them to do their (the aliens') will, leaving them with a mark just
} behind the ear

Actually, it was the base of the skull.

} I saw this in my impressionable childhood, and it lives on only as a memory 
} of early terror. I don't remember much else about it, except that part of
} the plot revolved around a little kid finding the entrance to the ship 
} while he was out playing (whether this was crucial to the plot or just 
} important to me because I was a little kid at the time, I do not know).
} Anyhow, the most recent TP reminded me of this long-buried memory - anybody
} else remember this?

It's the original version of INVADERS FROM MARS, made in 1953 by William
Cameron Menzies. If you want to see some bizarre expressionist set designs,
definitely check this film out. It's available on home video (hell, I've
got a pre-recorded copy in *Beta* format!).

Avoid Tobe Hooper's 1986 remake, though, unless you're having a Saturday
Night Psychotronic Film Festival.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <22769@well.sf.ca.us>, emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes...

} The ABC station I was watching Twin Peaks on had a "Gulf War Update"
} right before Twin Peaks and then went directly into the credits,
} skipping the "Previously on Twin Peaks" synopsis that precedes. Did
} anyone in the country avoid missing this? If so, can you post it for
} the vast majority of us who apparently did?

"Gulf War Update" is an ABC insert, not a local station insert. They were
undoubtedly using the "previously" time for the update.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Jan21.192325.23591@engin.umich.edu>, ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes...

} 1) Is the actor who plays Albert Rosenfeld (Miguel Ferrer) any relation
}    to Jose Ferrer? There appears (to me) to be a definite resemblance and
}    no, all persons with Spanish surnames do not look alike to me.

Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <11367@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes...
[quoting me quoting me]

}}} He said, "I would like to make love to a beautiful woman." That's it.

}} Correction (thanks to Karen van Hoek):

}} "I would like to make love to a beautiful woman for whom I had a genuine
}} affection."

}} Not that this really changes anything in determining Coop's "requirements".

} Do you really see no difference? That's frightening.

Can you read?

I said NOT THAT THIS REALLY CHANGES ANYTHING IN DETERMINING COOP'S
"REQUIREMENTS".

Does the corrected version of the quotation give you *ANY* idea of what
Cooper finds desirable or attractive in a woman?

} I'm sure Cooper has had any number of oppurtunities to make love to
} beautiful women. It's the second part that's so important.

Yes, it *is* important, but it tells us nothing about what he finds
attractive. All it tells us is that he doesn't go in for Zipless Fucks
(to borrow Erica Jong's term).

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In January 1988, a paper titled "A Situation Report On Our Acquisition of
Advanced Technology and Interaction With Alien Cultures" was circulated
among the UFO research community.  It eventually was digitized and posted
on various BBSs, sometimes more as a curiosity than anything else.  Written
under the pseudonym "O. H. Krill" (an inside joke in some circles), it
contains a bizarre account of all aspects of the modern UFO phenomenon and
the alleged truth behind them.

Part of the paper mentions the White Lodge and attempts to put it into an
extraterrestrial or ultradimensional context.  I've reproduced this portion
below for Twin Peaks fans.

-----

Real Esoterica -- Sirius and the MIB

[MIB = Men In Black  (jms)]

     Let's regress for a moment back to the MIB. According to John
Keel, the MIB often state that they are representatives of the
"Nation of the Third Eye."
     Based on some of the info we have already researched, it is
apparent that Sirius has been in contact with us for a long time.
According to George Hunt Williamson (one of the early contactees)
in his book "Other Tongues, Other Flesh," the earth allies of
Sirius, i.e., the secret societies, use the Eye of Horus as an
insignia. This symbol has also been seen on the MIB. Secret
societies believe that there is a Great White Lodge on earth. They
call it Shamballa -- and consider it to be the spiritual center of
the world. Now, theosophists such as Alice Bailey say that the
Great White Lodge is on Sirius. If the All-Seeing-Eye is a symbol
of Sirius' earth-allies and the MIB wear that symbol, and if
Shamballa represents the Great White Lodge on earth -- then the
MIB are emissaries of Shamballa. Sirius and Shamballa are two
sides of the same coin. This is verified in the book "The
Undiscovered Country," by Stephen Jenkins. Jenkins was told by
Buddhist priests that Shamballa was located in the constellation
of Orion.  [someone's astronomy is wrong...  (jms)]
     The entrance to Shamballa on earth is usually placed in the
trans-Himalayan region. Some assert it is in the heart of the Gobi
Desert (where there have been allegations of crashed disks and
bases). According to the explorer Nicholas Roerich, there are
caves in the Himalayan foothills that have subterranean passages.
In one of the these passages, there is a stone door that has never
been opened, because the time for its opening has not yet arrived.
In 1930, Doreal founded the Brotherhood of the White Temple. He
says that the entrance to Shamballa is far underground. he goes on
to say that space bends around Shamballa, and that there is a warp
which leads into another universe.

-----

Well, there you have it.  Is it relevant to Twin Peaks?  Who knows!
Personally, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the entrance to
the White Lodge is behind the waterfall.  (It's got to mean *something*,
right?)  Of course, some entities can probably make the dimensional jump
directly.

As for Major Briggs, I think that he's being harassed by the Black Lodge to
prevent him from gaining access to the White Lodge.  It parallels some UFO
stories nicely.  The two most common groups of aliens visiting this planet
are supposed to be the "Grays" and the "Blonds".  The Grays are the evil
little anthropoid/insectoid creatures that kidnap people, stick probes in
their brains, and take genetic samples.  The Blonds are a tall humanoid
race that usually appear telepathically rather than physically.  The Blonds
are at war with the Grays (the Grays are rather parasitic and devoid of
emotion), but they have a policy of non-interference on Earth.The best
they can do is warn us about the plans of the Grays, but they won't
actually actively help us fight them.  Think of the Giant.  He gives Cooper
enigmatic information to help him find BOB, which is a little strange
considering that he should be able to do it himself with his obvious
powers!

Comments are welcome!

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Lets decide on a meaning for spoilers because it is used far
too much on this news group.  In the grand scheme of mystery 
solving a SPOILER is a spoiler when you have figured something
out before the appropriate time in the story (The same as
blurting out he answer when watching Jeopardy with a bunch of
people - antisocial behavior).

In this group the show has so much going on and it is so confusing
that no one can figure things out.  Most of the group is conjecture
on how the clues might relate.  In this case a theory on what is going
on is not a spoiler.  So, I noticed the chess piece moved is not
a spoiler.  Nor since most people seem to do a bit of research
should a spoiler be something which is commonly available (e.g
 
SPOILER
^L
Beware of SPOILER....
^L
I read in TV guide blah blah blah....


Certainly not a spoiler.  I think we should define spoilers as inside
information which is likely not available to the general public.
Like, you were sitting on an airplane next to Lynch and he said
blah blah....

I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to be
extremely significant.  He said, before Cooper arrived in Twin Peaks,
everything was quiet.  Now that he is here, everything has changed.  I
think that this relates Renault's activities (which have been
conventionally criminal) to the mystical things going on in Twin Peaks. 
I think that Cooper is driving events in Twin Peaks somehow; his
spiritual force is perhaps activating the various evil things in the
woods, and turning a quiet conflict between good and somnolent evil into
an active confrontation.  I think that this is why Cooper was not
worried about the FBI investigation; he sees that he has a major role to
play in this fight if he stays where he is.

I'm reminded somewhat of ``The Shining'' or ``Poltergeist'', where the
young children's special psychic abilities  activate or draw evil around
them, which comes to threaten them.  I think that is what is happening
to Cooper.  Bob left Leland, probably, because with Cooper around he
could no longer conceal himself, or because he had to leave in order to
be strong enough to fight against him later.  Cooper's ministering to
Leland as he died was probably a very good thing to do; he will be
helped by it later.

All this suggests to me that Cooper is not getting out of Twin Peaks
alive -- there's no way he could defeat Evil, as he certainly will, and
then go back to being an FBI agent.  He'll probably end up sacrificing
himself, or transcending life, or being reborn, or something like that. 
And Truman will play the role of Ishmael.

-- J

    Losers in the twin peaks romance game: 1) Big Ed-what a cheeseball.  I like
him as a sidekick to Harry, but he gets a thumbs-down from me as a leading man.
                                           2) Bobby-Reckless youth that he is,
Bobby needs to get some class.  He's got a good sense of humor, this guy.  But
to dump Shelley for the first better thing to come along is sooo typical.
                                           3) Sheriff Harry Truman.  He needs
to get over Josie Packard bad.  His naivete (sp?) is nice as a backwoods
sheriff, but in romance it's just plain annoying.

                                            *In my mind, the only winnerin the
Twin Peaks Romance Game is Major Briggs.  He's got a loving wife whom he
respects and cherishes.  Two big thumbs up, Major.  Too bad you got blessed
with such a loser son.
                                            *So do you think this is Lynch's
insight into relationships?  Rather bleak, I'd say.
                                             -Oh, James is a loser, too. How
could I forget his rebel-without-a-clue-attitude?

                                            I'm new here to this newsnet
thing, any response is appreciated.

                                            Chad Sanders
                                            Central Michigan University

In article <1991Jan22.145839.15801@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed
Krol) says:
> >
> >Lets decide on a meaning for spoilers because it is used far
> >too much on this news group.  In the grand scheme of mystery
> >solving a SPOILER is a spoiler when you have figured something
> >out before the appropriate time in the story (The same as
> >blurting out he answer when watching Jeopardy with a bunch of
> >people - antisocial behavior).
comments deleted
> >Certainly not a spoiler.  I think we should define spoilers as inside
> >information which is likely not available to the general public.
> >Like, you were sitting on an airplane next to Lynch and he said
> >blah blah....

I was under the impression we were supposed to use this when
discussing what happened because not everyone was using the
North American distribution and therefore European viewers were
getting the information before they saw the show. I vaguely
remember someone requesting this quite some time ago.  Plus I
do remember a very angry exchange between someone who posted WKLP
without using *spoiler* and another reader had not seen the show
yet.  So obviously some people want this distinction made.

Would putting the episode date eliminate this problem?


 Linda
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I saw a great show the other night - "Understanding the 60's" 
which had much footage of the 50's as the root of 60's rebellion.
The 50's footage showed all its male characters having GREAT
BIG CHINS, like Kyle McLachlin's. It made me wonder
if Cooper is not meant to represent 50's consciousness (Lynch's 
formative decade and basic thinking) which was shown
in this documentary to be conforming, idealistic and secretly
romantic.

In article <1991Jan21.234326.12774@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan21.192859.22362@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>I find the male characters in Twin Peaks, the heros at least, very 
>> >>conventional and conforming while the women are more rebellious.
> >
> >You mean like Coop, the Tibetan baseball pitcher?

Yes, especially Coop - one oddity does not a non-conformist make.
He seems odd to 90's consciousness, but he is confroming to his
upbringing and his FBI code totally.
 
> >
> >Dennis/Denise?
 
Especially Dennis because he needs to dress up in order to feel able
to be a bit different. I admire his guts in that it is clearly very
hard for him to break his sex role training, but that the fact that he
can't 'relax' in pants and a shirt shows that he is not role-free.

> >
> >Hawk, writing poetry to his girlfriend, Diane Shapiro, PhD, Brandeis?
> >
Hawk is an exception. I think he is his own man.
 

> >Harry Truman, sheriff and leader of a secret vigilante society
> >that fights the Evil in the Woods (and lover of Ms. Fu Manchu.)
 
That is all very standard stuff - his love for the dragon lady is an
example of "opposite's attract" or may show that his heart is not
as straight as his image.
Harry Truman is an overgrown boy scout still conforming to the rules he
was taught in Cubs.
 

> >
> >Major Briggs, Air Force Major, clandestine UFO researcher and
> >psychic/time traveler?
 
Despite all that, his values and personal definitions
of good and evil behaviour are absolutely standard. He talks like a
book. He stick to these standards and for this I have to admire him,
but he is no non-conformist.
He likes the unusual but expects to find it outside of himself and
outside of his usual reality. He uses standard tools to look for it
and in the last episode seems to realize for the first time that the white
lodge might be a spiritual rather than a material reality, referring to his
soul rather than his body.
> >
> >Dr. Jacoby, inventor of the prestidigitation cure?
> >
Everything that Jacoby does is reasonably common practice among psychologists.
even the glasses are part of an experiment I learned about in Psych classes.

> >Albert, the sarcastic pacifist?
> >
Albert follows strict procedures in his work (no improvisions) and his 
philosophy of life seems to be standard pacifism.
He shows creativity in his insults but his choice of targets is not original.

Dick is a very conventional dresser but he has more imagination that than
most. Andy is very traditional mentally and emotionally.

So I stand by what I said. 
I like the male characters (most of them) and find them rich in variety
but not in any way original thinkers or non-conformists. 

a.h.

In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
> >
(stuff deleted)>
> >All this suggests to me that Cooper is not getting out of Twin Peaks
> >alive -- there's no way he could defeat Evil, as he certainly will, and
> >then go back to being an FBI agent.  He'll probably end up sacrificing
> >himself, or transcending life, or being reborn, or something like that. 
> >And Truman will play the role of Ishmael.
> >
Great theory, but who is ISHMAEL?

> >In article <5389@husc6.harvard.edu>, burns@sparkle.uucp (John Burns) writes...
> >
> > The more I watch Twin Peaks, the more I think that they really don't know
> > what they're doing. Mark Frost's scripts have been the only really
> > coherent ones. Every time Harley Peyton writes a script, the intellectual
> > level of the show drops another notch.

I read in TV Guide a while ago that Frost & Co. are making this stuff
up as they go along.  I wish I'd saved it because now I don't remember
who says so.

Tho TV Guide is hardly an unimpeachable source . . .
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In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
> >I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to be
> >extremely significant.

I do as well, but for different reasons.  I'm betting that there
will be at least one scene where Cooper will agonize over the
possibility that Renault was right.

> >I think that Cooper is driving events in Twin Peaks somehow; his
> >spiritual force is perhaps activating the various evil things in the
> >woods, and turning a quiet conflict between good and somnolent evil into
> >an active confrontation.

But BOB was around well before Cooper ever showed up.  Unless BOB
had some way of knowing that Cooper would be sent, I just don't see
how this could be.  You might be correct that whatever's going on
with the White Lodge might have been catalyzed (or re-awakened, since
obviously the White Lodge has been around Twin Peaks for a while, otherwise
why would the Major be there??) by the conflict between BOB and Cooper.

--
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Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering | (804) 924-7926
University of Virginia                           |

In article <119434@uunet.UU.NET> rbj@uunet.UU.NET (Root Boy Jim) writes:
[commenting on a previous article]
> >I don't believe Lynch and Company know anything about chess other than
> >that it's supposed to be a battle of wits. And it's rich with metaphors
> >(sacrificing pawns, the king must die, etc). However, in all my
> >"chess deals", I never heard of the opening 1. P-K4 P-Q4.
> >I don't believe anyone of any strength would play this.
> >
The opening, '1. P-K4 P-Q4',is known as the Center Counter Game and is very
ancient, but not much thought of these days. '2. P-Q4' is completely off the
wall. I discussed this in a previous posting, but it doesn't appear to have
propagated outside our local net.

> >And yes, the board was pretty bogus. White's KNP and KN were gone.
> >I don't believe that the discrepancy can be explained by the body
> >knocking them down. If I were W.E., I would set the board up last
> >and make sure it was correct.

My guess is that the missing  KN is a comment on the death of the last Renault
brother.

> >And wasn't the body female?
> >-- 

Not according to the credits.  Just a long-hair :-)

> >        Root Boy Jim Cottrell <rbj@uunet.uu.net>
> >        Close the gap of the dark year in between
> >

In article <1991Jan22.184203.5521@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeffrey Davis) writes:
> >A long time ago, I suggested that the horror in the woods, the "real
> >life" horror in the Washington woods was the Hanford nuclear facility.

I've been informed that the Hanford nuclear facility is more than
an oboe's neck from the Washington woods. Modify the above post
to reflect that. Simply turn Twin Peaks from a logging town to
a farming town, the mill to a grain elevator...Bob from an owl to a 
vole. Things like that.
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Where we are here, Gerrit said, is the backside of nowhere....

In article <22817@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> >
> >
> >All right, it's a bit of a reach but it is kind of interesting.
> >How about this? If, as the last episode suggests, there is something
> >going on BENEATH Twin Peaks, could that have been what Maddy saw
> >a hint of when she saw something in the floor?
> >
A long time ago, I suggested that the horror in the woods, the "real
life" horror in the Washington woods was the Hanford nuclear facility.
The radiation symbols on the Major's neck reinforces this idea. The
evils are swarming to the surface because of the radiation...This 
continues the 50's motif...most of the 50's cheeseball sci-fi flicks
reflected a generalized unease about nukes and radiation.  
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Where we are here, Gerrit said, is the backside of nowhere....

In article <1991Jan22.172551.8603@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
|> Great theory, but who is ISHMAEL?

In ``Moby Dick'', the confrontation between Man and Nature ends up with
only one survivor, Ishmael.  I think Truman will be left behind after
Cooper's death/transendance/disappearance/whatever to tell the story. --
J

Hi,

What about us poor British people into Twin Peaks but only on the
third episode of the second series.  Does anyone know how to create a new
user group for this kind of discussion.  PLEASE mail me as this is kind of
important.  Also I don't want to read through your stuff as it gives all
the plot away.

Thanks, in advance, for your help.  Sometimes my arms bend back.

Uncle Matty

(cs88mmp@cc.brunel.ac.uk)

I noticed something interesting about the name Tremond, and
I haven't seen any posting mentioning it, so...
 
If you split Tremond between the "e" and the "m" and augment
it with a brief prefix and suffix you get
  
 (au)Tre mond(e) = autre monde = other world

Indeed, old Mrs. Tremond and her grandson seem to be from 
another world.
  
...John Shillington

mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> > alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
>> >>
>> >>It's quite possible that this is the first of many
>> >>nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
>> >>episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.
> >
> >Maybe. Leo's body strikes me as a good home for BOB, since
> >the previous tenant has done BOB the courtesy of leaving it
> >vacant.

For the nightmare theory:  When we are show Leo with the cake on his face,
we seem to hear him saying "Shelly".  However, his lips don't move.  He is
quite motionless.  As catonic as ever, only standing upright.  This suggests
a dream.

Against the nightmare theory:  The nightmare includes a power blackout, which
also occurred at the police station.  So if it's a nightmare it's a darned
accurate one.

In article <1991Jan22.171237.7815@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
[...]
>> >>Dennis/Denise?
> >  
> > Especially Dennis because he needs to dress up in order to feel able
> > to be a bit different. I admire his guts in that it is clearly very
> > hard for him to break his sex role training, but that the fact that he
> > can't 'relax' in pants and a shirt shows that he is not role-free.
> >
Maybe the fact that YOU can't accept the fact that he CHOOSES not to 'relax' in
[male-clothes] shows that YOU are not role-free... Maybe the fact is that he
can step OUTSIDE the roles and CHOOSE which role he DESIRES to 'wear' in full
knowledge that such IS a 'role' and consequently is not to be taken TOO 
seriously (cf his net-discussed 'campiness', etc...)... After all, one need not
BELIEVE that _HAMLET_ is REALITY (with a capital R) to play the lead, or even
to buy a ticket for the show.  Ascribing to a role is not necessarily LOCKING
one's self INTO that role, nor is it a tacit acknowledgement that one thinks
that role is the be-all and end-all of life...

[I'm NOT flaming you (really! :-) but hopefully giving us all some food for
thought...]

SWP

Does anybody agree with me that in the 1/19 episode Shelley's encounter
with Leo was simply a dream???  I believe she was dreaming because Leo
was wearing his party hat and had his cake smeared over his face (just
as he did when they were celbrating a few episodes ago).  Any ideas or
comments?

-David

In article <1991Jan22.195358.28240@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
writes:
> >In article <1991Jan22.172551.8603@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
> >alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >|> Great theory, but who is ISHMAEL?
> >
> >In ``Moby Dick'', the confrontation between Man and Nature ends up with
> >only one survivor, Ishmael.  I think Truman will be left behind after
> >Cooper's death/transendance/disappearance/whatever to tell the story. --
> >J
> >
Actually, there is more to it than that. The Ishmael character in Moby Dick is
a reference to the Old Testament. When Abraham's wife Sarah was unable to bear
him a son, she offered her maid, Hagar instead, and the result was Ishmael.
Later Sarah also gave birth and insisted that Abraham expell Hagar and Ishmael.
 'Ishmael' became the archetype of the outcast and the name was used for this
reason by Melville.

In article <62224@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
> >However, as the saying goes ``All very convincing
> >young [wo]man, except for one fact...''  If there is a buried
> >spacecraft (or whatever), in Twin Peaks, why is it only now becoming
> >active?

What makes you think it is only *now* becoming active?  BOB and Mike (or is
it MIKE?) have been around for a while, the town people have seemed to
express that the woods have always been "strange," etc.  Perhaps BOB and
Mike are/were from the ship, and things get really weird only when one of
them is out hunting for a new host?

Anyway, just speculationg, I don't hold much credence to the theory.

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In article <1991Jan22.174757.12385@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dmm0t@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Dave Meyer) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
>> >>I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to be
>> >>extremely significant.
> >
> >I do as well, but for different reasons.  I'm betting that there
> >will be at least one scene where Cooper will agonize over the
> >possibility that Renault was right.

I doubt it.  Cooper was sent to Twin Peaks to investigate a murder of a
girl who was heavily involved in drugs an prostitution.  She was being
molested by her father who was possessed by BOB.  Leo was beating Shelly.
Ben, Cathrine, and Josie were scheming against each other.  Lucy was
already pregnant (although she didn't know it yet).  Cooper's presence
may have caused everybody to scramble for cover but Twin Peaks was already
a can of worms by that time.

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/ scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu /  5:15 pm  Jan 20, 1991 /
writes:

<hey--
<this has been requested many a time, so i'll just follow the trend and ask
<you tp junkies for all of the chess moves between coop and whatever his name
<is.... please?

WHITEBLACK
(Wyndham/Windom/Wyndom...(Dale Cooper)
 Earl/Earle/Url...)

1.P-K4P-Q4
2.P-Q4(not yet explicitly indicated;
speculation centers around PxP)
- ced

In article <728@ministry.cambridge.apple.com> mark@cambridge.apple.com 
(Mark Preece) writes:
 I have a vague memory of an old science fiction movie in which alien space-
 ships come to earth and burrow into the ground. When they catch people, they
  alter them to do their (the aliens') will, leaving them with a mark
 just behind the ear (this was how you could tell who had been taken over).
 I saw this in my impressionable childhood, and it lives on only as a memory 
  of early terror. I don't remember much else about it, except that part
 of the plot revolved around a little kid finding the entrance to the ship 
 while he was out playing (whether this was crucial to the plot or just 
 important to me because I was a little kid at the time, I do not know). Anyhow,
 the most recent TP reminded me of this long-buried memory - anybody else 
 remember this?

INVADERS FROM MARS (the original)

John Allan Graves                              Unitarian Universalism
Duke University                                 An inclusive religion!
and all its components                                    ()  
including the Divinity School,                           \__/
 disavow anything I say.                                  II

In article <1991Jan20.211905.19191@hoss.unl.edu> ho@hoss.unl.edu (Tiny Bubbles...) writes:

> >Headline News and others say that Twin Peaks picked up a couple of Golden
> >Globe awards, one for outstanding drama series and one for Coop himself.

The _L.A. Times_ also mentioned that Piper Laurie
(Catherine Martell) also won a Golden Globe for Best
Supporting Actress in a Drama Series.


> >Hey, I like TP.  But a Golden Globe?  I think not.


"Hommie don't play that!!!"  At least the Golden
Globes were a consolation for the rip-off of the 14
Emmy nominations ("^Twin Peaks^" only won 2 out of
the 14, and those were for technical work) last
year.


--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga

In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
> >I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to be
> >extremely significant.  He said, before Cooper arrived in Twin Peaks,
> >everything was quiet.  Now that he is here, everything has changed.  I
> >think that this relates Renault's activities (which have been
> >conventionally criminal) to the mystical things going on in Twin Peaks. 
> >I think that Cooper is driving events in Twin Peaks somehow; his
> >spiritual force is perhaps activating the various evil things in the
> >woods, and turning a quiet conflict between good and somnolent evil into
> >an active confrontation.

Hogwash.  Many of the things happening in Twin Peaks, especially in the
first season, had little to do with Cooper.  Laura's murder was what drew
him there in the first place.  Leo killed Bernard Renault over their drug
dealings.  Although Cooper was at the Bernard's interrogation by the
Bookhouse Boys, they had already caught him before bringing in Cooper.  The
whole Shelley/Leo/Ben/Catherine/Hank/Josie fire thing and the
Josie/Catherine/Andrew/Eckhart storyline evolved independently as well.

It makes a lot more sense to say that Cooper is drawn to Twin Peaks by the
presence of evil than the other way around.  I have to agree that he won't
get out of Twin Peaks, but it's because the whole show revolves around him.
He looks like a better Ghostbuster than FBI agent anyway.

John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, Burns@huche1.bitnet)
"Laura calls me in the middle of the night/
 Passes on her painful information"             -Billy Joel

Due to recording problems, I did not catch all of Major Brigg's dialogue at
the beginning of the last episode.  If someone would be so kind as to post
or e-mail a summary of the events and dialog which occurred before he
"returned" to the normal world of the Sheriff's station, it would be
intensely appreciated.  

Thanks in advance, 
            Kevin Schraith (kevin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)

In article <1991Jan22.181303.1319@ns.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:
> >In article <119434@uunet.UU.NET> rbj@uunet.UU.NET (Root Boy Jim) writes:
> >[commenting on a previous article]
>> >>I don't believe Lynch and Company know anything about chess other than
>> >>that it's supposed to be a battle of wits. And it's rich with metaphors
>> >>(sacrificing pawns, the king must die, etc). However, in all my
>> >>"chess deals", I never heard of the opening 1. P-K4 P-Q4.
>> >>I don't believe anyone of any strength would play this.
>> >>
> >The opening, '1. P-K4 P-Q4',is known as the Center Counter Game and is very
> >ancient, but not much thought of these days. '2. P-Q4' is completely off the
> >wall. I discussed this in a previous posting, but it doesn't appear to have
> >propagated outside our local net.

I'm trying to figure out where the idea that the first move in the
game was 1. P-K4 P-Q4 came from. Wyndham Earle's first move (that I saw) was
P-Q4. That's what was written on the card that came with the tape.
(Yes, I'm sure, I went back and checked the tape.) Unless Coop is
playing white and he made the P-K4 move, to which Earle's P-Q4 is
the reply? If so, when did Coop start the game? And then, in his
newspaper add, he plays P-Q4, which would represent a transposition
into the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit?

I thought the newspaper move was Coop's reply to Earle's P-Q4, so
the game would be:

1. P-Q4 P-Q4
2. ...whatever was supposed to be on the board in Harry's office

Please explain, I is so confused.

-- Dave Mack

>> >> Also, if I remember correctly, Earle's first move was P-K4, and
>> >> white still had its king pawn sitting in its starting square at K2.

> > We might as well forget the chessboard game going on. On the board in
> > Truman's office, black has two bishops on white squares.

I think WE is telling Coop that he's not playing (or going to play)
by the rules.  So far the moves are also of no particular chess style,
at least not that I can recognize.  WE has to put in an appearnace soon.


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpa!rjp1

> > abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:
> > |> until now.  I have always liked the character of James.  I think people view
> > |> the acting as slow, dull, and boring.  This is the style of the character.
i think so too... you could probably ask him "may i kick you in the
groin, james?"  "uh, well - ok, as long as you like me"

> > From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
> > But, whoever plays him projects all the emotional range of a rock.  His
> > facial expression when he finds out Maddy is dead isn't much different 
> > than when Evelyn is seducing him.  His only competition is Lara Flynn Boyle,
> > who CAN act her way around a piece of granite, but barely.  (Check out her
> > reaction to the creamed corn disappearing and reappearing.  There is none.
> > She doesn't even look mildly surprised!) 

seems to me that this is how lynch does things and it is different...
it's what i like about him. some of his other characters who have been
"pieces of granite" as well come to mind; the repo-man guy (forgot
character name) in wild at heart, boy-friend of lula's mom - the guy
has voodoo-ugly-scum-puke-of-the-planet freaks "soul-raping" him before
they finally blow his head off... looks like he's watchin' pat
robertson or new kids on the block and bored to tears...

jefferey in blue velvet is completely out to lunch thru the whole film
(he probably plays with "my little pony" and "strawberry shortcake"
when we don't see him), sandy's the same way (look at jefferey's mom!).
dreamin' about "robin's coming to make everything happy/good/etc..."
seems that lynch is smashing one in the face with a rock that these
people are LAME! that's who they ARE. then at the other end of the
scale is frank booth who is "on the edge" playing "life" to an extreme...

'member jack nance in eraserhead, sheesh, that guy's biggest reaction
to something was just to open his eyes a bit wider (save for when
"baby" spits up cream of wheat - "oh, you ARE sick")

> > I think one flaw that DL has is casting based more on a "look" than talent.
> > Thus, TP has a range of excellent to poor acting.  (IMHO)
don't know if it's casting disability or if it is lynch character
"de-flating" so as to effectively portray people who are walking
around asleep? when james and donna did there in-the-diner and song
singing stuff with maddy, reminded me of scenes of jefferey/sandy
talking about how the world has evil people and robins flyin' around
makin' it better  :-) yay! whee! it IS nice! (wasn't it julee cruise
in BV church scene BTW?)

In article <61636@masscomp.ccur.com>, danny@joisey..westford.ccur.com (Daniel Pearl) writes...

} In article <18979@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com writes:

}} It apparently has something to with the surround sound encoding (or more
}} properly, decoding) on the local affiliate's end.

} Hmmmm... Are you sure?  I noticed the glitch on my Boston-area TV. The
} glitch seemed to affect the VOCAL track only, and left the MUSIC and
} SOUND EFFECT track intact.

So what's so odd about that? Remember, we're talking about separate audio
channels here. If the voices (each time, if I recall correctly, it affected
only *one* person's dialog) are on just one channel, a problem on that
channel might cause a dropout on the voice, but not with anything else
(the music, for instance, is generally mixed to appear on both channels).

But I'm not an audio expert by any means, so if anyone wants to correct
me with cold hard facts, please do so.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <11436@helios.TAMU.EDU>, steve@archone.tamu.edu (Steve Rikli) writes...

} I read in TV Guide a while ago that Frost & Co. are making this stuff
} up as they go along. I wish I'd saved it because now I don't remember
} who says so.

That was Monica Collins, and if I recall correctly, she was just quoting
someone else. There was nothing said in that "Collins Report" that
suggested that Lynch and Frost "making this stuff up as they go along"
was anything more than just opinion, speculation, or hearsay.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Say, did anyone notice the moon last episode?

Instead of the normal Full Moon the moon was
in the First or Last Quarter!

What could this mean? 

-Matt Brockman
"Aces!"

>> >>Lets decide on a meaning for spoilers because it is used far
>> >>too much on this news group.
> >
> >Would putting the episode date eliminate this problem?

Look, everyone knows when the show's on, and everyone wants to talk about
it.  There's not a chance in hell David Lynch is going to confide in any
of us.  I say, if someone wants to read alt.tv.twin-peaks before seeing
that week's episode, caveat lector.

John A. Burns (burns@da.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)
"She's filled with secrets."

Linda writes:
> >I was under the impression we were supposed to use [spoiler] when
> >discussing what happened because not everyone was using the
> >North American distribution and therefore European viewers were
> >getting the information before they saw the show. I vaguely
> >remember someone requesting this quite some time ago.  Plus I
> >do remember a very angry exchange between someone who posted WKLP
> >without using *spoiler* and another reader had not seen the show
> >yet.  So obviously some people want this distinction made.

This is absolutely right.  Here in Denmark we have only seen
11 episodes of Twin Peaks.

> >Would putting the episode date eliminate this problem?

No, but the episode number.....I understand that the
episodes come in batches of 8 or 12; perhaps some numbering
like `batch 3 episode 4' (or whatever) might be appropriate.
However, the dates would be sufficient if someone can
produce a list of all the dates where you have had TP
episodes in the US!

Anyway, for a european like me that knows almost nothing
about life in little towns at the US/Canadian border on the
other side of the earth, each TP episode is an interesting
event!
-- Kristoffer H{\o}gsbro Holm <kris@diku.dk> Computer Science Dept. (TOPPS group), University of Copenhagen Universitetsparken 1, DK-2100 Copenhagen {\O} +45 31396466

OK you American guys!! explain this!!

we just had episode 2003 on tuesday night in the UK (Britain?? you know, a
funny-shaped island of Europe... Europe, erm, just to the left of the Soviet
Union? Oh well, never mind :-) *)

At the start of that episode, Ronnette Polaski is being restrained after doing
god-knows-what. Truman turns off the machine next to her bed, Cooper arrives
with Albert, and Truman says she pulled out here IV - and then they find a `B'
under her fingernail...

But what on earth is the blue dye in the IV?

I havent heard that ever mentioned before...have you/Frost&Lynch forgotten
about it?? It cant possibly be of no significance whatsoever!

hang loose!
Rog...
-- r.dubar@uk.ac.strath.vaxa or r.dubar%vaxa.strath.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Roger Dubar, (Anjou), The Law School, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland. "I'd rather be watching Twin Peaks." *p.s. Only kidding!! honest!!

In article <19315@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <11436@helios.TAMU.EDU>, steve@archone.tamu.edu (Steve Rikli) writes...
> >} I read in TV Guide a while ago that Frost & Co. are making this stuff
> >} up as they go along. I wish I'd saved it because now I don't remember
> >} who says so.
> >
> >That was Monica Collins, and if I recall correctly, she was just quoting
> >someone else. There was nothing said in that "Collins Report" that
> >suggested that Lynch and Frost "making this stuff up as they go along"
> >was anything more than just opinion, speculation, or hearsay.

Someone needs to define "making it up as they go along".  Any television
series is essentially "made up as they go along".  I think it is obvious
that various plot threads in TP are somewhat thought out in advance.
However, the consensus of this group appears to be that there will be no
"grand unification" of all the events in TP.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

In article <1991Jan22.213719.3856@ns.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:
> > 'Ishmael' became the archetype of the outcast and the name was used for this
> >reason by Melville.

In fact, the narrator of Moby Dick says, "Call me Ishmael", not that
his name actually *is* Ishmael.

   I don't think Renault's speech had any great significance--- just an amusing
way for us to see how the bad guy sees the world: ``everything was just fine
until you came along.''  It reminds me of Jerry (Brother Of Ben) Horne 
saying ``is this just some terrible dream?''

In article <4311@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Russell) writes:
> >Say, did anyone notice the moon last episode?
> >
> >Instead of the normal Full Moon the moon was
> >in the First or Last Quarter!
> >
> >What could this mean? 
> >
> >-Matt Brockman
> >"Aces!"

It mean's that you're quite observant!

-- Arne
-- //// Arne Helme, science assistant // Email: arne@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Computer Science Department // Member of : // // University of Tromsoe // The drool patrol, hells norsky's /// / N-9000 Tromsoe, NORWAY // Phone: +47 83 44053 ////

In article <1991Jan23.145104.10293@odin.diku.dk> kris@diku.dk (Kristoffer H. Holm) writes:
> >Linda writes:
>> >>                                                       Plus I
>> >>do remember a very angry exchange between someone who posted WKLP
>> >>without using *spoiler* and another reader had not seen the show
>> >>yet.  So obviously some people want this distinction made.
> >
> >This is absolutely right.  Here in Denmark we have only seen
> >11 episodes of Twin Peaks.

This is not a flame but why do you even bother reading this group?
Practically all threads in this group will reveal something about
last week's episode or some recent episode.  Everything would have
to be marked as a spoiler and you would have to skip through
practically all articles.  I have no easy answers to the lag time
between USA and Europe but marking everything as spoilers doesn't
seem like a practical approach.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

In article <1991Jan18.103018.11389@pbs.org>, mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >.  I can live without all of it except
> > for football and Twin Peaks. 
> > --Cool Bean
> > -- 
> > **This is not cultural.
> > **Bo Don't Know Snow.


A poster after my own heart!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish I was able to flame your Bo comment, but alas, I must deal with it.

They certainly could have pre-emepted the second half of the game!!!!!!!!

No flames about how this should be in a football group please!

Anywon know why TP is pre-empted this/next week.

Sam

In article <9358.279c5b46@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> prender@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (S Prendergast) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan22.171237.7815@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >[...]
>>> >>>Dennis/Denise?
>> >>  
>> >> Especially Dennis because he needs to dress up in order to feel able
>> >> to be a bit different. I admire his guts in that it is clearly very
>> >> hard for him to break his sex role training, but that the fact that he
>> >> can't 'relax' in pants and a shirt shows that he is not role-free.
>> >>
> >Maybe the fact that YOU can't accept the fact that he CHOOSES not to 'relax' in
> >[male-clothes] shows that YOU are not role-free... Maybe the fact is that he
> >can step OUTSIDE the roles and CHOOSE which role he DESIRES to 'wear' in full
> >knowledge that such IS a 'role' and consequently is not to be taken TOO 
> >seriously (cf his net-discussed 'campiness', etc...)... After all, one need not
> >BELIEVE that _HAMLET_ is REALITY (with a capital R) to play the lead, or even
> >to buy a ticket for the show.  Ascribing to a role is not necessarily LOCKING
> >one's self INTO that role, nor is it a tacit acknowledgement that one thinks
> >that role is the be-all and end-all of life...
> >
> >[I'm NOT flaming you (really! :-) but hopefully giving us all some food for
> >thought...]

Sorry, when I present a theory for fun (usually the first thing
I find floating at the top of my mind) I have the bad habit of sounding
like I'm committed and positive about what I say. In fact, I have no
really strong views about Dennis other than a strong liking for him.
 
Still, I wonder why he doesn't find himself relaxing in male 
clothes because men's clothes themselves, just physically in the way they
are constructed, seem so much more relaxing to me than female clothes.
For instance, women's clothes discourage comfortable postures
(you can't spread your legs in them or flop around casually) and are
prone tear (especially nylons) at the slightest little thing. They are
often constricting, too (girdles).

I'm not positive that it could not be a choice but it seems so unlikely.
I can't imagine realisticly why someone would *chose* not to relax
in comfortable practical clothes and instead chose to relax in elaborate,
expensive, constricting and fragile clothes. Any ideas?

So I wonder (but don't claim to know) why he relaxes in physically limiting
garments and the only explanation I can think of is that it is not the
clothes themselves but the role that relaxes him.  I've read a couple of
books about transexuals - giving me the confidence of a little bit of 
knowledge, a dangerous thing - who describe how adopting a female identity freed
them of the pressures of the male role, ie. competitiveness and over-
achieving. And I thought it sad that they had to go through so very much
just to feel free to lighten up a bit.
I feel that if a man can't relax in jeans and a shirt but must dress 
differently to get relief from stress, then I see an element of
constraint and helplessness in that.

There is little information about cross-dressing available.
My theory is just a stab in the dark, based on a book or two and
I could be dead wrong about all this, but in the absence of
any better explanation, that is the theory I'm going on about Dennis and
cross-dressers in general.
 
I don't want my opinions - based on so little actual knowledge, - to
carry the tone of authority. I know how intimidating and repressing
authority can be and I want no part of that, especially where sex roles
are concerned.
 
a.h.

In article <1991Jan22.234958.16138@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kevin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin Schraith) writes:
> >Due to recording problems, I did not catch all of Major Brigg's dialogue at
> >the beginning of the last episode.  If someone would be so kind as to post
> >or e-mail a summary of the events and dialog which occurred before he

[rest deleted]
Please post! Everybody here in Columbus ohio missed everything up to
when some uniformed guys take Major Briggs away. Especially me.


-- Betty Lise Anderson Ohio State University Electrical Engineering Department Room 204 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus, OH 43210

 >>Would putting the episode date eliminate this problem?

 >No, but the episode number.....I understand that the
 >episodes come in batches of 8 or 12; perhaps some numbering
 >like `batch 3 episode 4' (or whatever) might be appropriate.
 >However, the dates would be sufficient if someone can
 >produce a list of all the dates where you have had TP
 >episodes in the US!

Here are the episodes broadcast to date in USA, collected from the indis-
pensible summaries posted by Edwin Nomura (enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu):

Lynch/Frost    
episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     Twin Peaks time
----------     --------------------     ------------------------
1000           04/08/90, 08/05/90       24 Feb (Friday)
1001           04/12/90, 08/11/90       25 Feb (Saturday)
1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       Saturday eve. (cont.)
1003           04/26/90, 08/28/90       27 Feb (Monday)
1004           05/03/90, 09/01/90       28 Feb (Tuesday)
1005           05/10/90, 09/08/90       01 Mar (Wednesday)
1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.)
1007           05/24/90, 09/15/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.)

2001           09/30/90                 03 Mar (Friday) (cont.) [sic]
2002           10/06/90                 04 Mar (Saturday)
2003           10/13/90                 05 Mar (Sunday)
2004           10/20/90                 06 Mar (Monday)
2005           10/27/90                 07 Mar (Tuesday)
2006           11/03/90                 08 Mar (Wednesday)
2007           11/10/90                 09 Mar (Thursday)
2008           11/17/90                 10 Mar (Friday)
2009           12/01/90                 11 Mar (Saturday)
2010           12/08/90                 15 Mar (Wednesday)
2011           12/15/90                 16 Mar (Thursday)
2012           01/12/91                 17 Mar (Friday)
2013           01/19/91                 18 Mar (Saturday)
--
-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com
"Behind your efforts let there be found your efforts."

In article <APPEL.91Jan20002500@soda.ocf.Berkeley.EDU>, appel@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
> > Supposition: Earle's chess moves are all reflected by events in real life
> > in Twin Peaks (yes; this *HAS* been noted before, I know)
> > 
> > Earls' first moves were simple movements of pawns.  It would make sense if
> > these were movements of Earl's "pawns" into positions in Twin Peaks.  I for
> > one would not say the attempt on Cooper makes sense here in the Chess Context.
> > OK, if Earl's first movements were pawns, who has arrived in Twin Peaks new
> > this season.  Is Andrew one of the pawns?  Was Jean the other?

> >[Deleted] 

> > If I'm not badly mistaken, Earle's third move was PxP resulting in the death
> > that we saw at the end of the episode (Was that Margaret?  I'd be bummed.)

The closing credits had a credit for a "dead man". The person in Harry's office
 LOOKED like Margaret, however, so this may just be a proverbial Red Herring.

> > Coop has already made his response (another PxP) by killing Jean.
> > 
> > BTW, I for one don't expect this little Chess game to go on much longer.  It
> > would take *WAY* to long to finish

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

In article <17310@csli.Stanford.EDU>, alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Odd, the consensus of those with whom I watched was
> > that Shelley was having a nightmare. (It would
> > hardly be the first nightmare shown as plot-development
> > on the show.) That she began the scene in sleep, and
> > that Leo's face was smeared with the cake he fell in 
> > days earlier were the tips-off. 
> > 
I agree. If Leo did indeed come bck, why would he bother to put on that stupid
 hat, etc. instead of going straight after Shelly.

The whole scene had a very surealistic feel to it. Did anybody catch that doll
or something in the bed? Any idea what it represents?

> > It's quite possible that this is the first of many
> > nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
> > episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

|> In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
|> >I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to be
|> >extremely significant.  He said, before Cooper arrived in Twin Peaks,
|> >everything was quiet.  Now that he is here, everything has changed.  I
|> >think that this relates Renault's activities (which have been
|> >conventionally criminal) to the mystical things going on in Twin Peaks. 
|> >I think that Cooper is driving events in Twin Peaks somehow; his
|> >spiritual force is perhaps activating the various evil things in the
|> >woods, and turning a quiet conflict between good and somnolent evil into
|> >an active confrontation.

     I found this message to be very insightful, just like Jean Renault's
speech, but everyone seems to pooh-pooh it with the fact that many events
(BOB being around for years, triangles that don't involve Cooper) either
precede Cooper's arrival or are not incident to his arrival.

     HOWEVER, how about this? What if all of Twin Peaks, it's history, its
events, etc. are all simply a nightmare of Cooper's that he is having. Perhaps
he never recovered from whatever incident happened in Pittsburgh and he is
locked in an insane asylumn there? When I first thought of this, catalysed
by Jean's speech (another moment as creepy on TV as you'll see), a lot of
things seem to make sense.

     Cooper's obsession with dreams and visions; science, supernatural, and
the real all mish-moshed together like they are in dreams; maybe the wacky
agent is Cooper and Wyndham Earl really was the one who stayed sane, Cooper's
dream could twist this around; Jean's sppech is his subconscious trying to
break through; BOB (Cooper's enemy) is the evil in Cooper's sick mind, the 
evil he alone must vanquish to become sane again; and so on. I'm sure others
could find more correlations to this theory. And we all know it wouldn't be
outside Lynch's ground rules. (Ooops, one more I have to add; Albert is
that cold unreasoning voice that says all the things our conscience would
never let us say, as much as we would want to...)

                                    Dave Arlington

I have also noticed here in Cleveland on SEVERAL occasions when the AUDIO 
portion of the show would fade (leaving the MUSIC and EFFECTS).

I though perhaps the Cleveland Browns owner might have taken over running
the station (at least that would explain the terrible *reception*) :-).

In keeping with the obsessive and scholarly ambience of this group,
would it be possible for someone to collect (and maintain?) a list of TP
discontinuities, narrative blunders, etc.?  While this would undoubtedly lead
to considerable disagreement in some instances as to whether x is or is not
a discontinuity, it would also provide an invaluable TP critic's addendum to
the Timeline (itself a spectacular effort for which I am enormously grateful).
--
Tom Maddox

"I couldn't get past page 10 of Ulysses. . . . the book just didn't make sense."
"Friendless" Farrell

That was one of the best shocker scenes I've seen since the 
handcuffed BOB tried to resuscitate Laura at the end of the opener
to this season.

I wish there would be more stories where the producers realized that
you don't have to slash/burn to get good horror!

I think that a Leo comeback would help to get a real villain back
into the story...perhaps this is why it happened.

The lights going out correspond to the reality of the 2 explosions that
Lucy talked about "one at the generator station".  The UFO theme meshes
with the moving doll on Leo's bed --  notice that most UFO's cause
mechanical and electrical devices to activate or burn out (Remember
Close Encounters?).

Finally, the clip from next week's episode (2 wks) shows an empty
wheel chair with Shelly saying "Don't.  Please Leo.  No." or somehting
like this.

:) to indicate Sarcasm?

Perhaps we should consider Cliff Notes to the multiple sentence notes?

Meanwhile, the idea of chess attracts my attention.

I think that Cooper is the King, even though Briggs was on the throne,
Windom Earl is definitely trying to kill Coop.  When Earl says that
he is willing to sacrifice "my queen" -- it seems that this is too
good a pun to pass up.  Dennis/Denise must be Earl's operative!

I think it is too early to completly analyze this storyline...more clues
please!

In article <1991Jan23.145104.10293@odin.diku.dk>, kris@diku.dk (Kristoffer H. Holm) writes...
> >Linda writes:
>> >>I was under the impression we were supposed to use [spoiler] when
>> >>discussing what happened because not everyone was using the
>> >>North American distribution and therefore European viewers were
>> >>getting the information before they saw the show. I vaguely
>> >>remember someone requesting this quite some time ago.  Plus I
>> >>do remember a very angry exchange between someone who posted WKLP
>> >>without using *spoiler* and another reader had not seen the show
>> >>yet.  So obviously some people want this distinction made.

Putting spoiler warnings on posts that reveal something not everyone is aware
of is a courtesy that requires very little effort.  I don't think that it is 
done merely for the Europeans who are not yet caught up with us.  A number of 
people record the show and then watch it later.  I normally watch the show 
"live" but occasionally have had to tape it.  When that occurs, I'd prefer to
avoid material marked "spoiler".  

>> >>Would putting the episode date eliminate this problem?

> >No, but the episode number.....I understand that the
> >episodes come in batches of 8 or 12; perhaps some numbering
> >like `batch 3 episode 4' (or whatever) might be appropriate.
> >However, the dates would be sufficient if someone can
> >produce a list of all the dates where you have had TP
> >episodes in the US!

I don't know about this batch business.  What about using the four digit system?
ie. 1007 (first season, seventh episode); 2002 (second season, second episode)
It's relatively easy to use.  Obviously we can't put spoilers on everything.  
Although, I still maintain that in certain cases there is almost an obligation
to do so.

--Michelle
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Heaven is a large and interesting place."
                                     --Agent Cooper 
                                       "Twin Peaks"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll try my best to recall:

1. Photo of Leo Johnson's empty wheelchair with moving clown-doll on it.
Shelly says "Leo.  Please don't."

2. Photo of waist-down black-suited man placing gun on wooden desk.
Voice of Wyndom Earle: "My name is Wyndom.  Wyndom Earle."

3. Photo of police car with flashing lights in Evelyn Marsh's driveway.
Voice of James Hurley: "You set me up.  I can't believe it, you set me up!"

4. Clip of French guy "My name is Jean-Claude Kiley Renault.  And I 
want to talk about my brothers."  (Just Kidding :>  )

Renault's speech was one of the foundation setting speeches for
the symbolic meaning of the show.

What he said is what Cooper has been thinking about for a while.
I suspect that Lynch himself pushed to get that speech said.
The act of observation upsets the thing being observed.  Cooper
has destroyed the balance of good versus evil in Twin Peaks.  To
regain equilibrium, life must be adjusted.  I think that this is
what will happen over the next few episodes.

Hogwash!

Twin Peaks has reached a higher plain of excellence after the LP storyline.
Instead of having a crowd of hip-sters out to catch the latest fad, we
have moved to focused crowd of people who enjoy fine literature, philosophy,
and intellect as well as visual, symbolic, and mythic reflection.

I'm glad the chaff is outa here.  Now we can return to excellence with
out the continual wining of tv critics for instant gratification.  Those
with a 5 minute attention span, please watch Carol and Company.  Those
who wish to see fine television, we now have a top-notch show.

(DL is still Ex. Producer.  Do we have to say that he is the only one
with a brain and that no others are capable of producing or directing
fine television?  Judge the product and don't worship people, or you'll
wind up with dictators...)

I can summarize, though I don't know the exact words.

Scene: Starry Night
(Echo of the words "Cooper" float in the background as the camera
pans.  Then a 3-triangle symbol of orange spirals toward the camera
growing in size as a whoosing sound happens. 

                                 *******
                                  *   *
                              *    * *    *
                              * *   *   * *
                              *   * * *   *
                              *   * * *   *
                              * *       * *
                              *           *


Then a wall of flames.  They disappear from sight as the Major appears
in a rock throne that is covered with lush plantlife.

Major: I remember a flash of light. A vague shape in the distance and stepping
away from the campfire.  Then nothing until I returned to the campfire
2 days later.  I am conscious of what happened but it is unavailable to me.
The only thing I remeber is the lasting image of a large owl."

(Now Doc Hayward takes a photo of the Major's neck where the 3-triangle
symbol is engraved.)

Doc: There are techniques that would help us to get to your hidden thoughts.

Major: Those wouldn't work on me.

Cooper: What does your work involve?

Major: That information, as I have told myself many times, is classified.
Perhaps there are pieces of information of such importance that conspiracy
does not justify their protection.                   

(He is now in the sherriff's station, back from the dream-like memory)

Major: Is this for my soul?  Is this meant (he shakes and starts to wring
his hands) for my soul?

Cooper: Please start from the beginning.

Major: Are you familiar with Project Blue Book.

Cooper: The Air Force project that gathered evidence regarding UFOs.

Major: It was officially stopped in 1969.  Unofficially, there are some
of us who have continued to do work on gathering evidence of sightings
in the skies, and in the case of Twin Peaks, below the ground.  Have
you ever heard of the White Lodge?

( Two knocks.  The door opens. Two Air Force Sentries.  Major Briggs stiffins.)

Sentry: Major Briggs?

Truman:  Wait a minute.  You can't just come into this station...(Sentry
puts hand on gun) and take a friend of mine...

Briggs: It's OK.  I'll be OK.  

(He Leaves with them.)   
Scene Ends.

I have been thinking about the dead body at the end of Jan. 20 show.
If WE is responsible, maybe he made the body to look like Cooper's
dead lover from Pittsburg, albeit in a very obscene manner?
That would explain the wig and the attempt to make a male look female.

Just a thought.



 Linda
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"It was more of a surprise to discover how different Canadians were -
 they were so polite!"  J. Irving, A Prayer for Owen Meany
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Ann Hodgins has said that she likes Dick, and someone else said that they liked
James.  Does this mean that its favourite character time (goody goddy)?

My favourite character on the show ahs got to be Jean Renaud.  To bad he's dead
now - his fake french accent was too rich for words, and his tough macho man
attitude was so ridiculous as to seem cartoonish - Jean Renaud is Black
Jaques Shellac in a cowboy suit.  Dick is great too, but he gets on my nerves
far too easily - he seems a bit like Cary Grant on shrooms.

vik

--
" Ooooh .... Big Woo "
Suzanne Sugarbaker upon shooting Anthony Bouvier

In article <1991Jan23.191120.3339@bellcore.bellcore.com> dja1@backyard.picst.bellcore.com (Dave Arlington) writes:
> >
> >|> In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
 
What if...
> >events, etc. are all simply a nightmare of Cooper's that he is having. Perhaps
> >he never recovered from whatever incident happened in Pittsburgh and he is
> >locked in an insane asylumn there? When I first thought of this, catalysed
> >by Jean's speech (another moment as creepy on TV as you'll see), a lot of
> >things seem to make sense.
> >

Cute theory.  And the body that looks so much like Cooper but long haired
and hippie-ish could  be 'the road not taken' by Cooper. It could be a lifestyle
possibility that Cooper did not chose.
 
Windom Earle could be Cooper's sanity (which he thinks of as insanity)
trying to break through, etc.

In <11446@helios.TAMU.EDU> wolter@cs.tamu.edu (Jan D. Wolter) writes:

> >mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

> >Against the nightmare theory:  The nightmare includes a power blackout, which
> >also occurred at the police station.  So if it's a nightmare it's a darned
> >accurate one.


Have you ever had a dream where music or the television or something
in the background is incorporated into the dream scenario?  It can be
really freaky, *especially* in a nightmare, because you really *are*
hearing the noises (and, in Shelley's case, noticing the lights
flickering on and off at some level).  It can make it really difficult
to wake up.  

I think the nightmare theory does at least help to explain why Leo was
back in his 'welcome home' get up, party hat and smushed cake
included. 

--ann podlozny

Recently, there's been some commotion surronding the
symbols/motifs that've been on "^Twin Peaks^".  I'm
compiling a list of them, and any suggestions would
be gladly appreciated.  Just E-mail them over to my
address.  Anyway, here's what I have so far:

List of "^Twin Peaks^" Symbols/Motifs as of 1/23/91:
(As unsignificant as some of them are... :))

1.  The ceiling fan in the Palmer home
2.  The traffic light
3.  The ceiling sprinkler in the Sheriff's Office
4.  The waterfall outside the Great Northern
5.  The woods outside of/in Twin Peaks
6.  Owls

I'll probably also post a listing of all of the
"^Twin Peaks^" merchandise currently available.  Any
suggestions would again be appreciated.


Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet

--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga

In article <1991Jan23.204004.13784@watdragon.waterloo.edu> vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:

> >Dick is great too, but he gets on my nerves
> >far too easily - he seems a bit like Cary Grant on shrooms.

Whereas, as we all know, Cary Grant was strictly an LSD guy.  Clearly
Dick is a lot mellower.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

In article <1991Jan23.204004.13784@watdragon.waterloo.edu>,
vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:
|>Ann Hodgins has said that she likes Dick, and someone else said that
they liked
|>James.  Does this mean that its favourite character time (goody goddy)?
|>
|>My favourite character on the show ahs got to be Jean Renaud.  To bad
he's dead
|>now - his fake french accent was too rich for words, and his tough macho man
|>attitude was so ridiculous as to seem cartoonish - Jean Renaud is Black
|>Jaques Shellac in a cowboy suit.  Dick is great too, but he gets on my nerves
|>far too easily - he seems a bit like Cary Grant on shrooms.
|>
|>vik

The problem with Jean Renault is that every time he spoke I kept
expecting him to jump up in the air and prance out of the room like
Pepe' Le Pew, saying "Ah!  Ze beautiful femme skunk fatale!  Why resist,
love?  It is ineviteebul, No?"
              
David Whitney
whitney@athena.arc.nasa.gov

In <19255@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com writes:
> > 
> > The fact that something isn't introduced at the beginning doesn't mean that
> > it wasn't planned to be introduced or that the introduction of it wasn't a
> > good thing. The original DARK SHADOWS was a simple, gothic soap opera with
> > no supernatural elements when it started. It only became supernatural with
> > the intro of Barnabas Collins sometime after it first appeared. That,
> > obviously, was a smart move on *their* part.
> > 
Excuse me?  I'll have to assume you never watched the show or read the
book about it or talked to any avid fan of the show.  On the original
Dark Shadows, the supernatural entered the show very near the beginning
with the character of Laura, the Phoenix, who tried to kill herself and
her son, David (Collins, by Roger, who became a total wimp after that)
in a fire.  A phoenix is not a natural being, so you'd have to overlook
Laura entirely to miss the supernatural stuff.

What happened with the introduction of Barnabas Collins as a real
character (his portrait was over hall of Collinwood for the entire show)
was that the series' popularity expanded dramatically, and they _really_
plunged into the supernatural after that.

Cheers!

-- Mark A. Hull-Richter UUCP: ccicpg!mhr Clever remark stolen from ICL North America InterNet: [coming soon] another netter: 9801 Muirlands Blvd Go ahead, flame me. I have Irvine, CA 92713 (714)458-7282x4539 a /dev/null on my machine.

In <1991Jan20.040417.12329@athena.mit.edu>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu writes:
> > 
> > At least we're done with Renault.
> > 
Not necessarily.  We thought that was true when Jacques was killed.
Who's to say there isn't another brother, or a cousin or other Renault
relative in the woods waiting to pop in?

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> >Here are the episodes broadcast to date in USA, collected from the indis-
> >pensible summaries posted by Edwin Nomura (enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu):

I'm not sure these Twin Peaks Times are correct.

> >Lynch/Frost    
> >episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     Twin Peaks time
> >----------     --------------------     ------------------------
> >1000           04/08/90, 08/05/90       24 Feb (Friday)
> >1001           04/12/90, 08/11/90       25 Feb (Saturday)
> >1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       Saturday eve. (cont.)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:26 Feb (Sunday)
> >1003           04/26/90, 08/28/90       27 Feb (Monday)
> >1004           05/03/90, 09/01/90       28 Feb (Tuesday)
> >1005           05/10/90, 09/08/90       01 Mar (Wednesday)
> >1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:02 Mar (Thursday)
> >1007           05/24/90, 09/15/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:Thursday eve. (cont.)

> >2001           09/30/90                 03 Mar (Friday) (cont.) [sic]
> >2002           10/06/90                 04 Mar (Saturday)
> >2003           10/13/90                 05 Mar (Sunday)
> >2004           10/20/90                 06 Mar (Monday)
> >2005           10/27/90                 07 Mar (Tuesday)
> >2006           11/03/90                 08 Mar (Wednesday)
> >2007           11/10/90                 09 Mar (Thursday)
> >2008           11/17/90                 10 Mar (Friday)
> >2009           12/01/90                 11 Mar (Saturday)
> >2010           12/08/90                 15 Mar (Wednesday)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:14 Mar (Tuesday)
> >2011           12/15/90                 16 Mar (Thursday)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:15 Mar (Wednesday)
> >2012           01/12/91                 17 Mar (Friday)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:16 Mar (Thursday)
> >2013           01/19/91                 18 Mar (Saturday)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               should be:17 Mar (Friday)

> >-->Keith
> >dawson@epps.kodak.com

Seeing as how this is pretty unreadable, I'll redo it below:


Lynch/Frost    
episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     Twin Peaks time
----------     --------------------     ------------------------
1000           04/08/90, 08/05/90       24 Feb (Friday) +
1001           04/12/90, 08/11/90       25 Feb (Saturday)
1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       26 Feb (Sunday)
1003           04/26/90, 08/28/90       27 Feb (Monday)
1004           05/03/90, 09/01/90       28 Feb (Tuesday)
1005           05/10/90, 09/08/90       01 Mar (Wednesday)
1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       02 Mar (Thursday)
1007           05/24/90, 09/15/90       Thursday eve. (cont.)

2001           09/30/90                 03 Mar (Friday)
2002           10/06/90                 04 Mar (Saturday)
2003           10/13/90                 05 Mar (Sunday)
2004           10/20/90                 06 Mar (Monday)
2005           10/27/90                 07 Mar (Tuesday)
2006           11/03/90                 08 Mar (Wednesday)
2007           11/10/90                 09 Mar (Thursday)
2008           11/17/90                 10 Mar (Friday)
2009           12/01/90                 11 Mar (Saturday)
2010           12/08/90                 14 Mar (Tuesday) *
2011           12/15/90                 15 Mar (Wednesday)
2012           01/12/91                 16 Mar (Thursday)
2013           01/19/91                 17 Mar (Friday)

+ Note.  The show is set in 1989 .  Only the diary is set in 1990.

* Nitpicky note.  I'm not certain of this.  It all depends on
  what they meant by "Three Days Later."  By most accounts,
  however, one day later from a Saturday is a Sunday, two days
  later is a Monday, and three days later is a Tuesday.


I know I've opened a whole can of worms with this correction,
so I would like to mention the obvious: this is not writ in
stone, and I would appreciate feedback/comments on my version
of the dates.
-- -- David E. Coufal -- coufal@piglet.caltech.edu "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like. And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

        Some thoughts on watching the 1/19 episode:

     ---I certainly *hope* Shelley dreamt Leo's ressurection.  If its for
real, then that means not only has Leo regained his faculties, but he was
cognizant enough during his incapacitation to remember his multiple
humiliations, and smear cake/don the party hat accordingly...

     ---Jean Renault seemed like the canniest villain in TP until he decided
there was nothing unusual about a strange-looking waitress bringing food into
a hostage situation, wiggling her hips and baring her thighs.  I still can't
believe he fell for that...

     ---Hank's assault 'n battery of Big Ed probably shatters my personal
theory that Hank is a good guy masquerading as a bad one for some unknown
purpose {after all, with Andrew still alive, we don't know for sure if Hank
really tried to kill anybody except for Leo, who was about to kill Bobby}.
Then again, if *my* wife slept around with someone called "Big Ed," I'd
probably get pretty violent, too...

     ---Jean Renault probably did more damage to Coop with his "you're the
jinx" speech than the vicuna coat-bullet did...

     ---I'd gladly trade the travelin' judge, his clerk, Dick, little Nicky,
Lucy's sister, the schemin' blonde with the bad teeth, Andrew Packard, and
every other character introduced in the last 8 or so episodes {except for
Dennis/Denise and Gordon Cole} for just _one_ cameo by Albert Rosenthal...

     ---The corpse in Harry's office was arranged in a particularly
disturbing fashion.  One can only hope this trend continues; the gruesome
nature of BOB's serial killings were a major part of the morbid fascination
the show had for me...

     ---Did anyone else notice the similarity between Wyndham Earle's voice,
and that of Jack {Believe it...aaah...or Not...aaah...} Palance?

        SEMI-OFFICIAL TP TOUGH GUY'S CHART
        Based on TP characters who have gone at it mano-a-mano:

        Big Ed
        |****|
        Leo Johnson
        |*******|
        Hank
        |************| {and dropping}
        Harry S. Truman
        |*************| {maybe Albert is a pacifist, but he*is*an FBI man}
        Dennis/Denise
        |***********************|
        Josie's "Cousin"
        |********************************************|
        Nadine Hurley
        |*********************************************************************
         *********************************************************************
         **********************1/2|

Honorable mention to those who have proven to be dangerous opponents, but have
yet to fight bare-handed:
        Hawk
        Jean Renault

Non-mention:
        BOB {Killing girls!  For shame!}

Append, amend, rend, distend or miscomprehend as applicable.

                                ---FooDog

.............................................................................
Foo dog {Fu-dog}:  A mythical creature given to acts of random philanthropy .
.............................................................................
"Ball in to Kareem.  Kareem against the hand check of Parish.  Kareem to the.
 dribble.  Kareem swings left, shoots right. Skyhook of eight...It's good!!!.
 Kareem, adding an exclamation point to this big, big win in Boston!"       .
.............................................................................
               "Ogami Itto.  Suio Zanbatto Ryu."                            .
                                                                            .
 #1 on the list of things you don't want to hear from the guy you just      .
                      picked a fight with                                   .
.............................................................................

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In article <1991Jan23.175302.3732@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> > Sorry, when I present a theory for fun (usually the first thing
> > I find floating at the top of my mind) I have the bad habit of sounding
> > like I'm committed and positive about what I say. In fact, I have no
> > really strong views about Dennis other than a strong liking for him.
 
Hey, I'm glad you took it in the spirit of Peak that I intended... :-)
I just LOVE the character; it's been a while since I've (god, am I confessing
this HERE?!) really not been able to wait for the next episode!

> > Still, I wonder why he doesn't find himself relaxing in male 
> > clothes because men's clothes themselves, just physically in the way they
> > are constructed, seem so much more relaxing to me than female clothes.
> > [...]

He (well, we THINK he's a he; might have gone all the way...) probably (and
this is just MY speculation :-) gets much more MENTAL 'relaxation'/satisfaction
from the clothing (what it symbolizes:  his statement of self, his cry of "It's
MY party...!") than he gets PHYSICAL discomfort (besides, women have been
wearing women's clothing for YEARS now... :-).

> > So I wonder (but don't claim to know) why he relaxes in physically limiting
> > garments and the only explanation I can think of is that it is not the
> > clothes themselves but the role that relaxes him.

Bingo (at least IMHO :-):  both the shedding of the restrictive and not-him(?)
male role and the acceptance of the more-him(?) female role would be really
refreshing; he's "being all he can be" and what he is, as opposed to what
others think he SHOULD be...

> > I've read a couple of
> > books about transexuals - giving me the confidence of a little bit of 
> > knowledge, a dangerous thing

Just to cover my buns here, I'm no authority either. :-)
> > - who describe how adopting a female identity freed
> > them of the pressures of the male role, ie. competitiveness and over-
> > achieving.

Just wondering...was this transSEXUALS (people who feel they're "trapped in
a body of the wrong sex" (and yes, F-->M TS's exist :-) ) or transVESTITES
(people who just prefer to dress in clothing of the other sex --- usually
males since females already CAN legally and socially wear men's clothing;
double standard city!)  Sounds like the latter...

> > And I thought it sad that they had to go through so very much
> > just to feel free to lighten up a bit.
> > I feel that if a man can't relax in jeans and a shirt but must dress 
> > differently to get relief from stress, then I see an element of
> > constraint and helplessness in that.

Well, I'll reserve comment on this, except to say that it is the human
curse to be insecure and peer-pressured and to face insurmountable odds in
the search for Self, whatever THAT is...  Some people need to Drink, others
lose themselves in Religion, or Sex, or Work, or millions of other things
to either forget their problems or feel needed or at home.  (Again, IMHO, I
DO think you're thinking more of transVESTITES though; TS's really feel
(and who better to know then themselves) that they got screwed in the sexual
lottery and ended up in the wrong bodies.  We know so little about the mind
(software) vs the brain (hardware) that this can't be 'proven' one way or
the other --- personally, I think they have a good case.)
 
> > There is little information about cross-dressing available.

There are few people who wish to listen.  :-(

> > I don't want my opinions - based on so little actual knowledge, - to
> > carry the tone of authority. I know how intimidating and repressing
> > authority can be and I want no part of that, especially where sex roles
> > are concerned.
> >  
> > a.h.

Hey, more open-minded than most.  Congratulations! :-)

SWP

In article <1991Jan21.192325.23591@engin.umich.edu>, ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes:
|> Some miscellaneous questions, observations and opinions:

As a practicing witch, I have a bit to say here on some of the 
speculation on the widow and Nicky...

|> 4) No doubt about it, the widow is a witch. It's possible that little Nicky
|>    is, also, but not probable. 

Please don't make such accusations unless you know what you're talking 
about.  Why do you think she's a Witch?  She hasn't done much unusual 
besides captivate a roomful of men with silly stories.  Spells are 
concentrations of mental enery that affect the self, not other people.

And as for Nicky, witches don't have the power to knock a car off a jack 
or kill their parents with magick (well, maybe with a carving knife or a 
gun... but not magick :).  Witches are real; remnants of _The Omen_ and 
_The Bad Seed_ are so far only documented as fiction.  Don't confuse 
Satanism et al with Wtichcraft.  Two totally different things.

|>    Since when did Hawk become a raving egotist, or this part of the widow's
|>    spell? 

Because he's been standing around in the background for most of the time 
and they're trying to develop his character more?  Or maybe it's just testosterone.  I think it's a side effect of being told silly stories by a captivating young widow... :)

Valerie Ohm -------------------------------------------- "I see no end
Mass Inst of Tech -------------------------------- I know this because
MIT Project Athena --------------------------------- I see this again"
valerie@athena.mit.edu ------------------------------------- Caterwaul

scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:

> >In article <1991Jan23.145104.10293@odin.diku.dk> kris@diku.dk (Kristoffer H. Holm) writes:
>> >>Linda writes:
>>> >>>                                                       Plus I
>>> >>>do remember a very angry exchange between someone who posted WKLP
>>> >>>without using *spoiler* and another reader had not seen the show
>>> >>>yet.  So obviously some people want this distinction made.
>> >>
>> >>This is absolutely right.  Here in Denmark we have only seen
>> >>11 episodes of Twin Peaks.

> >This is not a flame but why do you even bother reading this group?
> >Practically all threads in this group will reveal something about
> >last week's episode or some recent episode.  Everything would have
> >to be marked as a spoiler and you would have to skip through
> >practically all articles.  I have no easy answers to the lag time
> >between USA and Europe but marking everything as spoilers doesn't
> >seem like a practical approach.

> >-- 
> >Scott Amspoker                       | 
> >Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |     This space available
> >(505) 345-5232                       | 
> >unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott   |

This group does have worldwide distribution, and it is (ostensibly) a forum
for TP afficinados (you can tell its a cult intellectual thing cause I used
"affinicados" instead of "fans" or "groupies"
).

Now, is someone willing to create something like alt.tv.twin-peaks.europe?
Or how about alt.tv.twin-peaks.hate-james
Or alt.tv.twin-peaks.hate-donna
Or how about just regard the first solution as perhaps the best.

It seems stupid to put them down just because they haven't seen the episodes
yet.
-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

        FooDog posts this for a friend.  His knowledge of Ibsen is
        miniscule, compared to mine!  Hahahahahaha......




        Has anyone noticed the distrubing similarities between TP and the
works of Henrik Ibsen? Does anyone want to talk about it? Does anyone care?
Is there anyone there? Am I being too obtuse? Should I just shut up and
throw a TP party for my closest friends?
        For those who have gotten this far: "Rosmerholm" is a great place to
start. There is the white horse of death, a sawmill, and a girl who kills
herself to maintain her image of being good and pure. (She also has an affair
with her father for those of the "Ben might have bonked Laura's psychic mom"
contingency) And, I won't get into the similarities between Hedda of "Hedda
Gabler" and Catherine Martell.....More if you write.....Then again, you
could just continue watching frame by frame.
                                    Yup.
                                    Fred.

In article <19260@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >
> >Can you read?

No. Amazing how I can still write coherently, isn't it? 
> >
> >I said NOT THAT THIS REALLY CHANGES ANYTHING IN DETERMINING COOP'S
> >"REQUIREMENTS".
> >
> >Does the corrected version of the quotation give you *ANY* idea of what
> >Cooper finds desirable or attractive in a woman?

Yes it does.  Some people don't have lists when they fall in love.
They just fall in love.  Cooper's main requirement is a woman he can
care about. So we don't know if he likes blondes or redheads - is it
really important?
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Now what on earth does 'cream the butter' | mean? I'd better look it up. I hope it's in | this dictionary of Pictish and Proto-Saxon."

Most of you will probably think this is silly, but I've listened to the
previews for the next episode _over_and_over_ for clues in Wyndham
Earle's voice.  He sounds quite a bit like Kyle MacLachlan; trying to
make his voice low and gruff.  I know it sounds crazy, but think about it.
Imagine our surpise in finding that Earle is somehow the evil reflection
of Cooper.  That might explain, in part, Renault's speech.  It also 
explains how Earle can know Cooper's moves before he makes them ("Hobgoblins,
Dale.")  Finally, it ties in the theory that all of this business in
Twin Peaks is leading up to some White Lodge-Black Lodge showdown.

I guess I'd better be putting on my asbestos suit now.
-- John Coppinger "You'll find that your left cuff link University of Kentucky will be communicating with your right johnc@s.ms.uky.edu cuff link via satellite" JOHNC@UKMA.BITNET -- Nicholas Negroponte

In article <1991Jan22.171237.7815@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan21.234326.12774@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Jan21.192859.22362@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>>> >>>I find the male characters in Twin Peaks, the heros at least, very 
>>> >>>conventional and conforming while the women are more rebellious.
> >
> > [refutes attempts at counterexamples by others]
> >
> >So I stand by what I said. 
> >I like the male characters (most of them) and find them rich in variety
> >but not in any way original thinkers or non-conformists. 

Aww, come on!  Haven't you forgotten someone?

BOB!  %) 
      ^------note evil, menacing smiley

-- Larry Spence larry@csccat.cs.com ...{uunet,texsun,cs.utexas.edu,decwrl}!csccat!larry

In article <1991Jan24.015526.19869@nntp-server.caltech.edu> you write:
>> >>Here are the episodes broadcast to date in USA, collected from the indis-
>> >>pensible summaries posted by Edwin Nomura (enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu):
> >
> >I'm not sure these Twin Peaks Times are correct.
> >
>> >>Lynch/Frost    
>> >>episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     Twin Peaks time
>> >>----------     --------------------     ------------------------
>> >>1000           04/08/90, 08/05/90       24 Feb (Friday)
>> >>1001           04/12/90, 08/11/90       25 Feb (Saturday)
>> >>1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       Saturday eve. (cont.) 
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:26 Feb (Sunday)

The episode started on the Sat, but as you will see in the timeline,
it does take into account that the new day has started.

>> >>1003           04/26/90, 08/28/90       27 Feb (Monday)
>> >>1004           05/03/90, 09/01/90       28 Feb (Tuesday)
>> >>1005           05/10/90, 09/08/90       01 Mar (Wednesday)
>> >>1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.) ****
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The episode started on the Wed, but as you will see in the timeline,
it does take into account that the new day has started.

> >                               should be:02 Mar (Thursday)
>> >>1007           05/24/90, 09/15/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.) ++++
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:Thursday eve. (cont.)

It is!

> >
>> >>2001           09/30/90                 03 Mar (Friday) (cont.) [sic]

Huh?

>> >>2002           10/06/90                 04 Mar (Saturday)
>> >>2003           10/13/90                 05 Mar (Sunday)
>> >>2004           10/20/90                 06 Mar (Monday)
>> >>2005           10/27/90                 07 Mar (Tuesday)
>> >>2006           11/03/90                 08 Mar (Wednesday)
>> >>2007           11/10/90                 09 Mar (Thursday)
>> >>2008           11/17/90                 10 Mar (Friday)
>> >>2009           12/01/90                 11 Mar (Saturday)
>> >>2010           12/08/90                 15 Mar (Wednesday)
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:14 Mar (Tuesday)

Since the previous episode (2009) went through the night and into the next day,
I took "Three days later" to mean 3 days from Sunday, hence Wednesday.

>> >>2011           12/15/90                 16 Mar (Thursday)
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:15 Mar (Wednesday)

I believe 16 Mar is correct.

>> >>2012           01/12/91                 17 Mar (Friday)
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:16 Mar (Thursday)

I believe 17 Mar is correct.

>> >>2013           01/19/91                 18 Mar (Saturday)
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >                               should be:17 Mar (Friday)

I believe 18 Mar is correct, since this makes it the Saturday and none
of the teenagers are in school - though Invitation to Love is on. Maybe
it's on everyday? Remember when Shelley turned it off on a Sunday in 1002?
Though it sounded to me like a commercial...

Thanks to David E. Coufal for all those transcriptions!

Edwin Nomura

Please mail replies to me at:
enomura@ucsd.edu     or
enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

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In article <11480@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes...

}} Does the corrected version of the quotation give you *ANY* idea of what
}} Cooper finds desirable or attractive in a woman?

} Yes it does. Some people don't have lists when they fall in love.

No! Really?

} They just fall in love. Cooper's main requirement is a woman he can care
} about.

"*Main* requirement"?  Seems to me that if I fall in love with a woman, it
follows *by definition* that I can care about her. To me, this is not a
"requirement", it's an inseparable part of the package.

} So we don't know if he likes blondes or redheads - is it really important?

No, it isn't, and I never said it did.

But, on the other hand, it might be important to the blonde or redhead...

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1965@Terra.cc.brunel.ac.uk> cs88mmp@cc.brunel.ac.uk (Matthew Pass) writes:
> >What about us poor British people into Twin Peaks but only on the
> >third episode of the second series.  Does anyone know how to create a new
> >user group for this kind of discussion.  PLEASE mail me as this is kind of
> >important.  Also I don't want to read through your stuff as it gives all
> >the plot away.

The is a mailing list for UK TP followers. Try sending a message to
twin-peaks-request@dl.ac.uk for subscription.

If you really want to set up a newsgroup read the articles posted this
week in news.announce.newusers for further information.

In <1991Jan24.023728.28439@athena.mit.edu> valerie@athena.mit.edu writes:
> >As a practicing witch, I have a bit to say here on some of the 
> >speculation on the widow and Nicky...
> >
> >Please don't make such accusations unless you know what you're talking 
> >about.  [deletion]
> >
> >Witches are real; remnants of _The Omen_ and 
> >_The Bad Seed_ are so far only documented as fiction.  Don't confuse 
> >Satanism et al with Wtichcraft.  Two totally different things.
> >
My dictionary defines "witch" as "one credited with usu. malignant
supernatural powers."  Since there's no such thing as magic, all witches by
the common definition are fictional.  If someone wants to practice a New
Age feminist religion and call it "witchcraft", that's OK by me.  But that's
not what most people mean by "witch", and I'm sick and tired of hearing
lectures on what "real witches" are like.  Anybody that doesn't have
supernatural powers isn't what I mean by a witch, and anybody that does is
invited to try to put a curse on me by way of proof (giving new meaning to
the word, "flame").

John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)
"How do you know she is a witch?"  "She looks like one!"

In article <1991Jan24.023207.20849@nntp-server.caltech.edu>,
socalgas@eql.caltech.edu (SoCalGas) says:
> >        Some thoughts on watching the 1/19 episode:
> >     ---I certainly *hope* Shelley dreamt Leo's ressurection.  If its for
> >real, then that means not only has Leo regained his faculties, but he was
> >cognizant enough during his incapacitation to remember his multiple
> >humiliations, and smear cake/don the party hat accordingly...

When I saw this scene I thought it was real and that Leo was showing
Shelley he remembered every humilating thing she and Bobby had done to
him.  This made it all the more scary, because if Leo was abusive before
when Shelley was at least concealing her contempt, just what would he
be like now.  Personally, I don't think Shelley or Bobby stand a chance.

Nor do I think Leo needs to be possessed by Bob to be evil.  He was
doing a good job before he had any real grudge with the world.  Now
that he has been shot, left for dead, abused by his wife and her lover,
I think Leo is going to become a living nightmare for several TP
residents.

> >     ---Hank's assault 'n battery of Big Ed probably shatters my personal
> >theory that Hank is a good guy masquerading as a bad one for some unknown
> >purpose {after all, with Andrew still alive, we don't know for sure if Hank
> >really tried to kill anybody except for Leo, who was about to kill Bobby}.
> >Then again, if *my* wife slept around with someone called "Big Ed," I'd
> >probably get pretty violent, too...

Did Hank not say that he deliberately ran over the person (the one
he was sent to jail for) to provide himself an alibi for Andrew's
death?


 Linda
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In article <13700064@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >That was one of the best shocker scenes I've seen since the 
> >handcuffed BOB tried to resuscitate Laura at the end of the opener
> >to this season.

Are you serious?  (Maybe not)  This scene has been telegraphed for so
long I thought it was a real bore.  I was hoping they would handle the
resurrection of Leo like this:

HARRY: "Lucy, what's going on?"

LUCY:  "Well, Leo Johnson woke up and attacked Shelley, but Shelley
        hit him on the head with a frying pan, and now he's
        brain-damaged again and thinks he's playing the part of
        Shirley Temple's dad in "The Little Colonel".  Did you ever
        see that movie?  It's the one where. . ."

HARRY: "*Lucy*. . ."

LUCY:  "Oh, and Nadine Hurley won the state wrestling championship."

HARRY: "Lucy, I *meant* what's going on on "Invitation to Love."

LUCY:  ". . . oh."

Naaahh.



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

My point in the original posting of this was that about 20% of the
news group threads are fluff about the show (e.g. Agent cooper
on letterman, gif files, sound files, ....).  The other
80% is a discussion of the nuances of the show.  That would
mean that 80% of the articles could be marked spoiler under
a most general definition.  Therefor, the word loses all meaning.

The problem of various countries being current at various
points in the series is a problem. Any kind of dating is sort of
hopeless.  E.g. Disscussions of the White Lodge trancend episodes
back to the Briggs/Son discussion in the diner I think.  What 
episode is it a spoiler for?  Yet the discussion still goes on today
with relevance to current US episodes.

I personally don't read alt.tv.twin-peaks until I have watched
the current episode.  Its a pain but I treat everything in there as
a spoiler.

dja1@backyard.picst.bellcore.com (Dave Arlington) writes:

> >     HOWEVER, how about this? What if all of Twin Peaks, it's history, its
> >events, etc. are all simply a nightmare of Cooper's that he is having. Perhaps
> >he never recovered from whatever incident happened in Pittsburgh and he is
> >locked in an insane asylumn there? When I first thought of this, catalysed
> >by Jean's speech (another moment as creepy on TV as you'll see), a lot of
> >things seem to make sense.

All we have to do is correlate writers with those who did St. Elsewhere