Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

When? When? Can someone please tell me when the final episode
will be airing? Also, what about the movie?

                                       Frantically,
                                                   T.
                                                   u29012@uicvm

In article <1991May8.102250.12616@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >In article <1991May8.032410.18417@rodan.acs.syr.edu>, bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:
>> >> In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
>>> >>>I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
>>> >>>strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
>>> >>>series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
>>> >>>involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
>>> >>>like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
>>> >>>pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?
>> >> 

  YES! And I didn't even see the article (much less get to *read!*)
  The reasons why follow...they are hot on the trail of these other
  comments from others... (THEN you "get" to hear (read)  my "brief"
  summary (if you know me from my other postings, you KNOW *that's*
  a joke -- if you don't: *That's* a Joke! (I tend to carry on!)))...

>> >> I don't know.  While I wouldn't consider myself to be an "elitist",
>> >> I'm still pretty disappointed when musical groups or literary movements
>> >> I'm interested in are suddenly "discovered" by the mass media and 
>> >> large numbers of people.  Maybe it's just me, but it often seems like
>> >> the quality goes down and many of the aspects that interested me
>> >> begin to be dropped in favor of a more general appeal.

  I have to agree -- especially w/ regard to musical groups...I *want*
  to tell others about them, but (1) they just don't seem interested
  until the band "breaks-out" (read: SELLS-out) w/ some POP number - in
  which case, I pretty much give up on 'em; or, (2) a song about 4 years
  old "suddenly" catches-on like fire (and this happens a LOT), and *everyone*
  acts like "OOOhhhhh!  This is SUCH a COOL song!!!"  Examples of this are
  (several) Dire Strait's songs ("Sultan's of Swing" was out about two years
  before anyone noticed...), Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game" (et al) -- out for
  *way* over a year - and now it's "new & great!"...

  Anyway, that's not the point of *this* newsgroup, per se... I tried to 
  get people to watch TP - but over time, I just came to realize (and this
  isn't easy to qualify, but I think you'll understand...) that there are
  *only* *certain* personality types that are even *willing* to try this
  type of show (let me hazard a profile of that type person - or, rather,
  what type person does Not meet that profile (There Will be exceptions -
  DON'T flame me - if possible- if I happen to mention a "type" that *you*
  might fit! ;-})): 

  If You Do Watch/Follow TP:

  - You like adventure.
  - You like the "unknown" - and you do NOT need things sewn up in 26 minutes
    once a week.
  - You are willing to go out on a limb - as long as you believe that there
    really *is* a reason for it, and you will get your answers in time...but
    there is NO promise of how long that might take, AND, even if you do get
    them, you are 'ok' about it even if you have to figure them out for
    yourself (by putting things together -- in other words, THINK!).
  - You EXPECT and DEMAND *some* "plausible" explanation when there *is*
    a *real* "mystical"/"other-world"-type situation.  I think TP has held
    up this end of the deal "pretty" well (I still have problems/have been
    annoyed with some "solutions", though...).  

  WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  
    Well, IMHO, it rules out 92% of the viewing public...who are SO USED TO
    "let's get everything wrapped up in the last 3 minutes", that they'll
    NEVER sit through 8 episodes of TP to find out WKLP/What are the OWLS?/
    you name it....  Point being: If it isn't immediately (at least, it must
    be answered in the *next* week's show...), then they will not watch it 
    again -- people want *instant* gratification/resolution...otherwise, they
    *might* be required to *actually* THINK/(even WORSE!)*REMEMBER!* what the
    hell was going on last week!

>> >> 
>> >> Is it elitism to want something you've enjoyed to stay amazing,
>> >> even if a lot of other people hop on the bandwagon?
> >
> >They picked the wrong word.  I don't like to follow the masses either.
> >My skin crawls everytime one of my favorite bands sells out and then
> >everybody loves it and I hate it.
> >
> >Maybe it's just that we don't buy into all the marketing bullshit and don't
> >like things diluted for the "general audience".  There's something
> >intriguing in the unusual and the original that is lost when it goes
> >commercial.  When something then gets that popular they forget about
> >the original fan and only seek to please the masses.  i.e.  Duran Duran,
> >Pet Shop Boys, Billy Idol, etc...
> >
> >I wouldn't call that elitest.  It is abandoned by the fan, because the
> >fan was already abandoned.
> >
  Ooohh!  Good line! And TRUE!  But Not in re to TP, IMHO.

> >Just because I'm not the average American pinhead and don't go gaga over
> >America's Home Videos, Danielle Steele or New Kids on the Block, doesn't
> >make me or anyone else an elitest.  I'm offended because they said that
> >because we don't fit into their idea of the average American.  Who says
> >we have to like what everyone else likes?  What happened to freedom of
> >choice?  Once again the "moral majority" passes judgement.
 
 EXACTLY my point!  But do you think WE get listened to?  Hell no.  Why?
 Because of just what you said -- The (Moral - I don't necessarily think
 it's an issue of "morality") Majority passes judgement (but the majority
 thinks that Wheel of Fortune is intellectually stimulating...HEY!!! 
 LET'S START OUR OWN NETWORK!!!  We could call it "Citizens with Brain
 Substance" (CBS) - Oh, shit!  That won't work...it's already taken by the
 "Creatures Becoming Stupider" network...  Hmmmm. How 'bout "All of us
 think Because we Can" (ABC)?  Ohhhh! That won't work either; that's the
 acronym for the "Anything But Credible" network...  Ok...I have it now...
 "Notably Brilliant Citizens" (NBC) - a bit pompous, perhaps...but in this
 age of inane broadcasting, "Brilliant" would not be understood by most
 of the population, anyway, and it's all relative...what do you consider
 "brilliant" compared to the millions of couch-veggies out there, anyhow?
 Wait a minute --- I have just been informed of some late-breakin (and,
 frankly, saddening) news... the 'NBC' acronymn is already being used by 
 "some" network (I hear it is the "Nothing But Crap" net...).  Well, there
 goes THAT!  I'll let the rest of you out there figure it out, then!  I
 made three tries -- all were shot-down 'cause these "TV Networks" have some
 sort of "claim" to the suggested ideas I presented...Do they control
 EVERYTHING?!

 They sure act like they do...!  God forbid they ever *listen* to anyone...!


> >
> >At least we're not wienies and pretend to like something just because
> >everyone else does.
> >
> >--Cool Bean
> >-- 
> >**This is not cultural.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Bill Perkins                          (AKA   William Franklin Perkins IV)
 IEX Corporation, Plano, Texas         (!iex!perkins (or) perkins@iex.com)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
         Outstanding Lyrics Excerpt of the Day (OLE' for the Day):
 =========================================================
         A girl woke up in a naked light and said, "Oh no, not again."
         He even looked like her brother in the army, but
         She never mentions him.
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Hello gang,
It's a long wait until June 10th isn't it?  It better be worth
it.  :-)  In the absence I have taken to incorporating a little lynchian
atmosphere into other people's lives.  For example, I'll walk into a 
grocery store and bounce a tennis ball for 15-30 minutes and then leave.
Carry on conversations with myself over a long period of time.  I.e.
walk into the secretaries office (she's great to baffle) make a comment
to myself, answer and then leave.  Later I'll come back in and say 
another couple of lines, etc.  Like Calvin says, I like to put a little
surrealism into people's lives.  :-)

But seriously,  I have a dilemna.  We received a VCR for
Christmas from my mother-in-law.  So I have all of the shows taped
after that but NONE before!  I would trade my mother-in-law for a
copy of all the shows in 1990.  Is there a very kind soul in Florida,
close to Gainesville preferably, who is willing to work out a deal
with me?  If you don't need a mother-in-law, I do have two kids.  I 
might be willing to part with one for good quality copies.  :-) 
(only half a smile after last night!  :-)  
Please e-mail me at statman@stat.ufl.edu.  I would GREATLY
appreciate it.

thanks

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu

In article <1991May8.114438.8036@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssguest02@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> >An interesting bit of trivia...
> >
> >Did you know that there is a cattle station in the Kimberlies called
> >Twin Peaks.
> >
> >There aren't that many owls there though. Just a lot of cattle and dust.
> >
> >Mind numbing isn't it???

Just in case--"the Kimberlies" be in Australia.
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|"Can't find the remote control."              | U. of Illinois at |   _--_|\  |
|"Oh."       Akbar & Jeff (via Matt Groening)  | Urbana-Champaign  |  / NT   \ |
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| DISCLAIMER: Just my views--hold the pickles! | Expatriate Aussie |        v  |
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In article <804@ark.UUCP>, peiges@ark.UUCP (Bert Soto) writes:
> > I know I have seen posts in the past concerning FTP sites
> > with Twin Peaks information.
> > 
> > Could someone post these sites?
> > 
> > I want to collect as much info as I can while I can.  That
> > is before the network weasels cancel the most imaginative 
> > show that has ever hit the tube.
> > 
> > 
> > Bert Soto
> > SWBT, LR, AR

Hmmm...these weasels are unfortunately not an endangered species.

Betcha they're incredible roasted, though....
 
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Close focus on a dripping coffee cup, from which Coop has just drunk;
foreboding music and camera shot as he and Annie kiss.
Remember Jones wiping something on Truman's lips?  Didn't she kiss
him as well?  Remember the Giant frantically warning Coop about
something just as he's about to kiss Annie?   Coop has remarked that
he is finding it hard to focus on work.  Is it only because of
this infatuation with Annie, or is something else affecting him?
What about all those shots of the falls?  And now everyone in town
has shaking hands.

Here's the explanation:

Coop and everyone else in Twin Peaks are being drugged.

Whatever was in Jones' vial was also on her lips, and on Annie's,
and in the town drinking water.

Has this theory been explored?

--
alex@C3.COM{decuac.dec.com,alembic}!c3pe!alex

In article <JYM.91May8155101@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

stuff about "politically correct" deleted ...

> >__  Indeed, Ann, some of your own comments would be flamed as
> >_   "politically correct" if you were to post them to a less
> >    friendly newsgroup.
> >    <_Jym_>
> >
I know. That's why I'm here.  :-)
 
Not that I can't handle a flaming but its not worth my while.
a.h.

  Although my trend of Ray Wise as a murderer in previous roles was already mer
cilessly shot down recently, I reluctantly add my own exception to the rule; I
think I spotted him as a perfectly normal, law-abiding prosecuting attorney on
an old L.A. Law episode.  Of course, just because we didn't SEE him kill anybod
y...

Kyle R. Krom                krk4@psuvm.psu.edu

24 Mar (Friday)   [Episode 2019 - 4/11/91
   Written by Mark Frost & Harley Peyton
   Directed by Johnathan Sanger]

Morning
   -- Coop, Andy, Hawk, and Truman are back at Owl Cave and find a new
      petroglyph. The tracks they find are the same ones outside the
      powerstation. Cooper deduces it was Earle.
   -- Earle talks to Leo and a punk who thought he was invited to a party,
      about the White Lodge and the Black Lodge. On a computer is the
      petroglygh from Owl Cave.
      Earle: Once upon a time, there was a place of great goodness, called the 
       White Lodge.  Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy, laughing
       spirits.  The sounds of innocence and joy filled the air.  And when
       it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused one's heart with a
       desire to live life in truth and beauty.  Generally speaking, a
       ghastly place, reeking of virtue's sour smell.  Engorged with the
       whispered prayers of kneeling mothers, mewling newborns, and fools,
       young and old, compelled to do good without reason.  Heh-heh!
  But, I am happy to point out that our story does not end in this
       wretched place of saccharine excess.  For there's another place, its
       opposite; a place of almost unimaginable power, chock full of dark
       forces and vicious secrets.  No prayers dare enter this frightful maw.
       Spirits there care not for good deeds or priestly invocations; they 
       are as like to rip the flesh from your bone as greet you with a happy
       "Good day!"  And if harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of
       unmuffled screams of broken hearts would offer up a power so vast that
       its bearer might reorder the earth itself--to his liking!  Now!  This
       place I speak of--is known as the Black Lodge.  And I intend to find it.
   -- Pete tries to create a poem on Josie but is interrupted by
      Catherine. She hasn't been able to open the box left by Eckhardt's
      assistant. Pete tells her it's a puzzle box that could take
      YEARS to open.  Catherine: Open it!  I've been trying for days.
   -- At the RR Bobby tries to convince Shelley to enter Miss TP.
   -- Elsewhere at the RR, Lana tries to convince the mayor to help her
      win the contest since he's a judge.
   -- Cooper enters and orders coffee and donuts from Annie for his team,
      and makes a date with Annie (a nature study) for this afternoon.
      He overhears a piece of the poem Shelley was reciting and gets her
      piece of the poem. Blue plate special is 'Hearty Beaver Broth'.
   -- Cooper tells Truman that the message was from Earle. It was the poem
      that he sent to Caroline.
   -- Major Briggs points out an error in Andy's chalkboard rendition
      of the petroglyph. He's dreamed of it. Cooper says that Leo's
      disappearance, Owl Cave, and Earle are all related. He asks for
      Briggs' help, who ponders his situation and dedication to his work.
      We see a silhouette of a hooded figure. When it comes toward the screen,
      a starscape is seen inside, and an owl flies in the starscape and we
      then see a wall of fire appear. Briggs agrees to help. Hawk brings in
      Leo's arrest report, which Cooper compares to the poem and concludes
      it was Leo's handwriting.
   -- Dick and Ben chat. Ben: Sometimes the urge to do bad...is nearly
      overpowering.
   -- The punk is in a papermache (pawn) and Earle asks for an arrow. Leo
      doesn't want to but those shocks from his collar convinced him to.
      Earle loads a crossbow and shoots the punk.

3:35 pm (clock on wall)
   -- The Miss Twin Peaks Committee (Doc Hayward, the Mayor, and Pete) meets
      and listens to Ben who wants the topic of the pageant to be to save the
      forests.
   -- Miss TP contestants gather. Mike: "Do you have any idea what a
      combination of sexual maturity and superhuman strength can result in?"

3:36 pm (grandfather clock)
   -- Truman and Catherine talk about Josie and why she did what she did.
      She shows him the puzzle box. Pete shows up and drops the it,
      opening it. The contents in the box seems to be another puzzle box
      which consist of two concentric rings of symbols.  The inner ring is made
      up of symbols corresponding to the phases of the moon.  The outer ring
      is made up mostly of zodiac symbols.
Clock position       Inner Symbol           Outer Symbol
                         (moonphase)            (zodiac)
--------------------------------------------------------
12:00                Full Moon              Libra
 1:30                 Waxing Gibbous         Pisces
 3:00                 First Quarter          Cancer (modified)*
 4:30                 Waxing Crescent        Unknown**
 6:00                 New Moon               Aries
 7:30                 Waning Crescent        Sagittarius
 9:00                 Third Quarter          Taurus
10:30                Waning Gibbous         Gemini
      * The Cancer symbol differs from that shown in the dictionary.
Essentially, it's like a lowercase sigma with a long , straight
tail and another similarly modified sigma, rotated 180 degrees,
directly beneath it.
      ** This symbol is a large circle with four much smaller circles
 just outside it at clock positions 10:30, 11:30, 12:30, and 1:30.
 The overall effect is that of a paw.  Perhaps it's a different
 sign for Leo.

Sometime after 4:00 (Cooper tells Annie he'll pick her up at 4:00 sharp)
   -- Annie and Coop in a boat. Annie tells Cooper that she had
      one senior year boyfriend and because of him, there are scars on her 
      wrist before she entered the convent. Cooper kisses her twice.
      Earle watches.
   -- A wine tasting party which Dick is hosting with a bandaged nose.
   -- Gordon again speaks normally to Shelley. When Cooper and Annie
      appear Gordon tells them and Shelley that he's leaving but
      he'll try to return to TP to be with Shelley. He gives her
      two kisses, the first interrupted by Bobby who is expressing
      his disbelief.
   -- Lana and Andy could find banana and chocolate in the taste of
      the wine they tasted. Lucy spits wine in Dick's face.
   -- J.J. and Cooper chat about love. J.J. receives a telegram and
      quickly makes arrangements to check out.
   -- Donna still wants to know Eileen's involvement with Ben,
      and she is thinking of studying overseas. Eileen wants more peas.
   -- Hooded silhouette but with a half moon where the head is. The owl flies.
   -- Cooper and the police at the gazebo. There's a crate on the gazebo.
      On it there's a ring on a sign that says "PULL ME". Cooper does
      from a distance using a police line tied to the ring and a
      rock. He shoots the rock and the crate opens. The punk is
      in a chess piece scupture with a sign saying that "Next time it will
      be someone you know."

      The board presently:
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      | WR  |     |     | WK  | WQ  | WB  | WN  | WR  |
      |    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      | WP  | WP  | WP  |     |     | WP  | WP  | WP  |
      |    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     | WN  |     |     |     |     |     |
      |    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     |     | WP  |     |     |     |     |
      |    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     |     | WP  |     |     |     |     |
      |    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     |     |     |     | BN  | BP  | WB  |    Captured:
      |    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    ---------
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+    BP by WP
      | BP  | BP  | BP  |     | BP  | BP  |     |     |    BP by WB
      |    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
      | BR  | BN  | BB  | BK  | BQ  | BB  |     | BR  |
      |    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
      +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+

[Episode 2020 - 4/18/91
 Written by Harley Peyton & Robert Engels
 Directed by Stephen Gyllenhaal]

Evening (continued)
   -- The cops haul the pawn off the gazebo.  A friend of the punk in
      the pawn describes how Scott, wearing a weird suit, came out of the
      woods, saying he had beer so Rusty Tomaski the punk went with him.
      Andy cries. Cooper thinks Earle is playing off the board since
      Earle didn't tell him his move.

25 March (Saturday) Morning
   -- Lucy tells Truman that Hawk is feeding breakfast to some guy she's never
      seen before because he looked sad. She tells Andy tommorow is D-Day
      (Dad Day) when she'll choose the father of her baby. She's also
      going to enter the Miss Twin Peaks contest and Andy's got some ideas
      for her speech.
   -- At the Great Northern, Jack checks to see if there are any messages
      for him from Audrey
   -- Doc Hayward, after examining Ben, gives him a clean bill of health,
      and tells him to stay away from Eileen. Ben says not as long as the
      lie survives. Jack enters, looking for Audrey. He has to leave
      because his partner was murdered.
   -- Donna Marie Hayward finds a blank space on her birth certificate
      under the "Father" entry and some pictures of her parents with Ben.
      Hawk is on the phone for her.
   -- Audrey returns and runs into Hawk who tells her it is important
      to see Cooper immediately.
   -- Jack and Ben chat. Jack's got to take his partner's place in the
      Rain Forest business. He's got something for Audrey.
   -- Briggs has Cappy look for symbols and has some information for Cooper
      and Truman. Earle was the best and brightest of them, but became
      obsessive and destructive when the attention turned from outer space
      to Twin Peaks and so was removed from the project.
      E: These, uh, these evil sorcerers, uh,...dugpas, they're called...they,
uh, cultivate evil for the sake of evil, nothing else, they, uh, 
express thenselves in darkness, for darkness without leavening motive,
uh--Now this, this ardent purity allows them to access a secret place
where the cultivation of evil proceeds in exponential fashion, and
with it, the furtherance of evil's resulting power!  Th-this place of
power is tangible and as such can be found, entered, and perhaps
utilized in, in some fashion.  Th-the dugpas have, have, many names
for it, but chief among them (coughs) is the, uh, is the Black Lodge.
You don't believe me, do you?  You think I'm mad.  Overworked.  Go away.
      C: (pauses tape)  Gentlemen, when Windom Earle arrived in Twin Peaks I
assumed he had come for vengeance.  For me.  But I miscalculated.
He has insinuated himself into the lives of people I care for, he has
murdered innocents; he has engaged us in subterfuge and red herring--
a fish I don't particularly care for.  But all of these acts are
merely camouflage; he's been after something else all along.  The 
Black Lodge.  Fellas, we need to find out what this (points to monitor),
the Black Lodge, has to do with that! (points to drawing of map)
      Cooper and Truman will look through the old files and Briggs will go
      for a walk.
   -- Earle, eavesdropping on Cooper, Truman, and Briggs, laughs. Leo
      pockets the shocker.
   -- At the RR, a pie-eater's hand shakes. Bobby and Shelly discuss her
      speech and his recent inattention to Shelly. Cooper's on the phone
      for Shelly.

7:52 am (clock on wall)
   -- At the roadhouse, the mayor tells Lana she's gonna win since the other
      judges are gonna be Norma and Dick. She says she'll marry after she wins.
   -- Cooper has Shelly, Audrey, and Donna compare stories of running into
      strange people. Shelly recognizes Leo's handwriting. Cooper tells them
      they need to check into the sherrif's everyday at 9 am and 9 pm.
   -- Earle babbles, Leo cleans, recognizes Shelly on the card and shocks
      himself
   -- Audrey enters the Great Northern just missing Jack on his way out.
      Ben wants Audrey to enter Miss Twin Peaks so she can speak about his
      cause. He mentions Jack's flight so she takes off, getting Pete,
      who babbles about seeing Josie's face, to drive her.
   -- Cooper and Truman ponder the petroglyph. Andy goes to call Mrs.
      Briggs to find out about Briggs who should've arrived by now.
      Cooper talks about Annie then gets the hand shakes.
   -- Briggs in the woods, stops at a tree, touches it and his tattoo,
      and is shot by Earle in a horse outfit.
   -- Jack prepares to take off

10:34 am (clock on wall)
   -- Cooper and Annie chat then kiss. Plates fall.
   -- Pete and Audrey catch up to Jack. They proclaim their love for each
      other and she says she's a virgin and wants him to make love to her.
      Pete cries and gets the hand shakes.
   -- Earle interrogates Briggs strung up on a target. Briggs: "There's a time
      if Jupiter and Saturn meet, they will receive him." He also says
      something like "That gum you like is coming back" backwards.
      Windom:  What is your greatest fear...in this world?
      Major:   The possibility that love is not enough.
   -- Andrew and Catherine fiddle with the puzzle box. After trying Eckhardt's
      birthday and his own birthday, he tries the day the gift arrived and it
      opens, revealing another box. Andrew smashes it, revealing a metal box.
   -- Annie and Cooper dance. She mentions entering the Miss Twin Peaks
      pageant. The Giant appears to Cooper with a mouthed warning, "no, no."
      Mayor: "This isn't right.  There's something wrong here."

Dusk
   -- Pete wakes in his car. The jet takes off for Brazil. Audrey's still
      here. Pete: "There are many cures for a broken heart. But nothing
      quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight..."  
   -- Leo and Briggs writhe in pain. Earle determines the petroglyph is a
      map.

Night
   -- BOB returns, "I'm out!"

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In article <HmsN21w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >   I agree. I think if one were to take Twin Peaks and re-edit into some
> >   sort idealised version, it would have run about thirteen episodes. It looks
> >   like the show was only preplanned in any detail up through the WKLP climax;
> >   for all the intriguing stuff that's passed since (the whole Lodge business,
> >for example), the show has been a whole lot less taut since WKLP was revealed.
> >
> >  Frankly, I don't think the planners had any idea how to continue, other than
> >some idea of the Good/Evil issues. Even Windom Earle feels like an afterthought.

I do remember that his escape from the mental asylum was mentioned
pretty early on, with Cooper's comment that this "troubles me deeply".
But with everything else that was going on it wasn't really mentioned again.

I agree with you though that it has not been as taut as it was.  It
seems as if they started with the idea of using the story of Laura
Palmer as a way to explore their theme of evil in the midst of the
seemingly normal. Then, once that was over, there were attempts to widen
the theme of evil and dread to make stories that could go on and
perhaps sustain the series longer term (Evelyn Marsh, Little Nicky,
the drug deals) but they weren't as well focussed and in most of those
cases, the resolution of them was less convincing than the stories
themselves, but for the most part I was just as happy to have them be
over, even if it seemed that there had to be more to the story than
that.

The White Lodge/Black Lodge theme strikes me as being perhaps a little
out of control; it may have been started when they thought there would
be more time to develop it.  I doubt it will reach as "satisfying" a
conclusion as the search for the murderer of Laura Palmer.  They could
possibly tie up the conflict between Cooper and Windom Earle in two
hours if they leave the Lodges alone as symbols of something elusive
that can be personified in people or human-like "spirits" such as BOB
or the giant.  I could see Cooper and the townspeople gaining more
concrete information about the Lodges, but I think that to try to show
and resolve an actual physical battle between these two entities in
the last two hours would have to be too superficial.  Just as BOB
was known to continue on after the death of Leland, I think that the
Black Lodge will have to outlast Windom Earle, thus allowing us to
have the particular story finished, but leaving us with the sense of
dread and potential presence of evil that I think the show is about.

> >   Most forms of fiction are finite and shaped. That TV shows tend to go on
> >   until they fall over is a peculiarity of the medium, and may well be a bug
> >   not a feature.

I agree with this.  The problem with allowing Twin Peaks to go until
it falls over is that the themes it deals with are really too troubling
to just leave hanging  (unless of course it got to the point where
everything was a story like Little Nicky, and they were all being
"resolved" in ways that made it hard to take them seriously any more).
I would much rather have it be that everyone has fair warning that it
will be ending, so it has a chance of retaining its shape and tension
to the end.  I'm sure there will be plenty intriguing little details
to think and wonder about for a long time to come.  And if the Black
Lodge is never identified too explicitly, we can all engage in the
discussion of "where does evil really come from?".  The wide variety
of interpretations of the show that I've seen expressed here on the
net tells me that the answers to that question are as varied as the
people who are caused to think about it, and we probably have as much
to learn from each other as from the show itself.

Barb Miller

In article <282999A1.916@c3.com> alex@c3.com (alex gabis) writes:
> >Here's the explanation:
> >
> >Coop and everyone else in Twin Peaks are being drugged.
> >
> >Whatever was in Jones' vial was also on her lips, and on Annie's,
> >and in the town drinking water.
> >
> >Has this theory been explored?

I don't think it's been explored, but, then again, I figured that the stuff
that Jones put on her lips and Harry's was Josie's perfume.  I presume that
she wanted to play with his mind a bit before trying to kill him.

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There's also Twin Peaks Mall in Longmont, Colorado.  Refers to the 
mountains to the west - Meeker and Long's Peak.  Go there and have a
cuppa joe and a doughnut.

BMW      Picard: "Mr. Data, who killed Laura Palmer?"
         Data: "Analysis of the blood points to ... Barnabus Collins!"

The following article appeared in The Denver Post on May 10:

  'TWIN PEAKS' DRIVE SEEKS TO LEAVE VALLEY OF CANCELLATION DESPAIR

  Arlington, Va. (AP) - Maybe they won't bet dollars to doughnuts they'll
succeed, but two men experienced in political campaigns are using their
abilities and savvy to try to give "Peaks" a chance.

  H. Keith Poston and Michael Caputo hope to save "Twin Peaks" - the ABC-TV
series that enjoys a cult following - from being cancelled.  Indeed, their
effort resembles a political campaign with polls, fund-raising letters
and appearances by a few of the show's stars.

  Their apartment in this Washington suburb has become a mailroom and
their answering machine broke under the strain of mobilizing 11,000 fans.

  Poston, a lobbyist by day, is president of Citizens Opposing the Offing
of Peaks, or COOP, which is financed by sales of COOP T-shirts.

  Each $13 shirt, with doughnuts for the "O's" and the motto, "All We Are
Saying is Give Peaks a Chance," raises enough money to mail four letters
to ABC, Poston said.

  Doughnuts are one of the three basic food groups in Twin Peaks.  The
others are cherry pie and coffee.

  The critically acclaimed series set in a Northwest logging town is on
its second hiatus after finishing in the ratings basement most of this
season.

  ABC will air a two-hour season finale June 10, and media analysts hold
no hope the network will renew the show.

  "It's the cutting edge of television," Caputo said. "When ABC realizes
what they've lost, they're going to look like monkeys."

---------
BMW

  Just curious if anyone has noticed some disturbing parallels between
the current TP storyline and Clive Barker's Cenobyte mythos.  Barker's
book - The Hellbound Heart, and later films - Hellraiser and Hellbound
describe a hell ruled by a being known as Leviathan, Lord of the
Labyrinth.  Leviathan's underlings, the cenobytes, are twisted creatures
who think of themselves as explorers of the outer reaches of pain.

  Now this is where it gets interesting...  Humans may gain entrance
to this hell only by solving a puzzle box of maniacal complexity.
Hmmm...

  I was immediately intrigued by the mysterious box in TP, but Earle's
description of the Black Lodge reminded me of Barker's vision of Hell.

For the "hardcore cenobyte enthusiast," Epic comics has released a
series of Hellraiser graphic novels which further expand upon Barker's
mythology.  As it turns out, the entrance to hell is not gained through
the act of solving a puzzle box, but by one's obsession with any
conundrum.  Perhaps by unravelling the mystery of the petroglyph,
Earle will find the pain he is searching for.

L. Brackney
brackney@mn.ecn.purdue.edu

I read in the newspaper this week that Ray Wise will MC the
local Emmy awards here in Cleveland. It will not, unfortunately,
be televised. I also found out that someone who works in my
department is his second cousin (ie Ray Wise is first cousin to
the guy I work with's father). There's my brush with greatness... :-)

I really miss Wise's character on TP and am secretly hoping he at
least makes an appearance.
-- Denise M. Fischer (dmf2@po.cwru.edu) So be sure when you step. Step Network Information Coordinator, INS with care and great tact and Case Western Reserve University remember that Life's a Great Balancing Act. -Dr. Seuss

Saw the TP Access Guide in a local bookstore this morning; it contains
short thumbnail bios of characters, a history of the town, and a copy of the
Owl Cave map, among other things. One interesting feature is Norma's cherry
pie recipe. It calls for "baker's sugar." What the hell is baker's sugar?





-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

I'm sure this is a FAQ, but I've looked through all the newsgroup traffic
that is available to me and I haven't found an answer.

Can somebody direct me to any TP archive sites that might exist?  I'm
specifically looking for timelines of previous episodes, but I'm interested
in anything I can find.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe

Tim     <>     timbuck@gnu.ai.mit.edu, timbuck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu, or
               jbuck@vtssi.vt.edu

Let's not forget Swamp Thing....  


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

In article <1991May5.033422.10673@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >David Lynch seems to have formed his artistic vision in the
> >50's and early 60's - a time of great confidence, security and
> >optimism in the United States.
> > 
> >The americans emerged from WW2 feeling like world heros, feeling that
> >in the form of Hitler they had defeated evil for all time.
> >The german anti-christ had been destroyed and those american
> >soldiers  responsible for this accomplishment felt
> >very sure that they were living in the best of all possible
> >societies, the free world. 
> > 
> >Their children, however, saw the world through different eyes.
> >They saw that evil still flourished, even in America. David Lynch
> >was one of those children. His vision of the evil that lurks under the
> >bright surface is the dominant theme of his work. 
> > 
> >ann h.

I find it interesting to compare Lynch's work with another American director
that is obsessed with the same era, John Waters.  I guess I am interested in
the two of them at least partially because I am a bit obsessed with the
same period, which coincides with my childhood, and partly because I just
like Lynch's underlying creepiness and Waters' overlying vulgarity.

There are obvious similarities: both started with low budget films which
are now cult classics, they use music of the period extensively (and 
effectively) in their films, and they both seem to take the view of the
outsider, be he a FBI man or a 300lb transvestite.  Lynch has his
Log Lady, Waters his Egg Lady.

Lynch's characters seem to be folks that are caught on the edge between 
"gee, life sure is swell!" and "fire, walk with me!".  Life looks great
until you roll it over with your foot, see all the worms and bugs.

On the other hand, Waters' people know that they're the worms and bugs 
of society, and seem to be saying "Hey! turn that goddam light off".
They know what they are; the plots of his movies involve confrontation
between straight and sub- cultures, and the subs always win.

I think Lynch is the better "serious" director, but there's something
about Divine snarfing dog poop off the backyard ('Pink Flamingoes') 
that is such an insult to everything civilization stands for that you
can't help but cheer and vomit at the same time.

jimbo

In article <282999A1.916@c3.com> alex@c3.com (alex gabis) writes:
 
> >   Close focus on a dripping coffee cup, from which Coop has just drunk;
> >   foreboding music and camera shot as he and Annie kiss.
> >   Remember Jones wiping something on Truman's lips?  Didn't she kiss
> >   him as well?  Remember the Giant frantically warning Coop about
> >   something just as he's about to kiss Annie?   Coop has remarked that
> >   he is finding it hard to focus on work.  Is it only because of
> >   this infatuation with Annie, or is something else affecting him?
> >   What about all those shots of the falls?  And now everyone in town
> >   has shaking hands.
> >
> >   Here's the explanation:
> >
> >   Coop and everyone else in Twin Peaks are being drugged.
> >
> >   Whatever was in Jones' vial was also on her lips, and on Annie's,
> >   and in the town drinking water.
> >
> >   Has this theory been explored?

It's interesting, but I have a hard time building it into a coherent
whole.  If the water supply is drugged, why bother to put the drugs on
the lips of Annie and Jones?  Who would be doing it and what purpose
would it serve?  And why would the giant warn Coop off kissing Annie
but not drinking the water?  And why drug Harry at that particular
time?  Given the state of Harry's mind when Jones tried to kill him, I
doubt that any drugs were necessary to render him weaker.  I just
assumed that she wanted him to think it was Josie who was killing him,
so in his barely conscious state she made use of the least conscious
of the senses, that of smell.

Barb Miller

I am very curious about what was rubbed on Truman's lips.
 
However, I think that it was *syrup* that was dripping off the plate.
Also, I think the giant's appearance is related to Coop's
girlfriend saying she is thinking of joining the contest -- not
related to Cooper kissing her.  Remember, WE has a certain
prize in mind for Miss Twin Peaks
 
T. Thomas

Twin Peaks was on CNN Headline News again in the Hollywood Minute segment.

The report reported that a couple of politicians, who CNN did not name,
were doing what they could to campaign against the cancellation of Peaks.
They mentioned a few Twin Peaks star appearances (where?  CNN did not
say) arranged by a group calling themselves COOP, for Coalition again the
Offing Of Peaks.

How come we've never heard of any of this?

  All right, I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I just recently saw t
he movie The Hidden, and the similarities between this flick and Twin Peaks are
 enough to post about.  In this film, an FBI agent from Seattle teams up with a
 police officer to chase down a mass murderer, which turns out to be a creature
 from another world inhabiting people's bodies.  The FBI agent himself was very
 quirky, as he too has his secrets.  And he's played by Kyle M.  Maybe the rest
 of you already knew all this, but every scrap of Coop I can get these days...

Kyle R. Krom                                 krk4@psuvm.psu.edu

In article <91130.004707KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
)  Although my trend of Ray Wise as a murderer in previous roles was already mer
)an old L.A. Law episode.  Of course, just because we didn't SEE him kill anybod
)Kyle R. Krom                                         ^^^^^^

i guess that means you DIDNT see him try to kill CAPT JEAN-LUC PiCARD in
the ST:TNG episode that took place on planet MINTAKA 3, he played one of
the primitive proto-vulcans. yeah, he DIDNT kill Picard, but he came close!


-- *********************************************************************** * Danny Lieberman cmcl2!panix!dfl * * PO Box 3131 "Here's Leland!" * * NYC 10008-3131 USA THIS SPACE FOR SALE *

Could somebody please post or email the address for COOP? I'v seen it
mentioned in a few places, but haven't gotten the address.
Thanks!
James Britt, NYC

In article <19233@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (...creeping debbie...) writes:

> >Night
> >   -- BOB returns, "I'm out!"

This *still* isn't what I hear--I just hear a "grrrowf!".  Do y'all
really hear "I'm out!"?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Speak a little softer/work a little louder/ shoot less with more care" --Jane Siberry

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From pollock@psychology-a.manchester.ac.uk Sat May 11 08:46:32 1991
Return-Path: <pollock@psychology-a.manchester.ac.uk>

"Does anyone know the classic Coop quote, said to the Sheriff who wants
to rush off from the diner when Coop wants more coffee? Goes something like
"Sheriff..once a day, give yourself a present: it might be a cup of coffee,
a few minutes shuteye in your office etc.?

I need it for a seminar on revision and exams on Tuesday, advertised as
a "damn fine seminar" and without the quote I feel I am selling short..

Obligatory theory: Lynch is a speed freak, cranked up by coffe and sugar:
witness the silent drape rails (up all night on mad semi-plausible projects or
the Eraserhead things that come out of the wall: massively enlarged bits
of rubber that you get off erasers, especially when peering at them like a
naturalist on speed..

Obligatory quote: "Men always hurry when there's no need" The Log Lady
(Hark at me, hurrying...)

john pollock, dept of psychology, manchester university, manchester,
england





-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

As I'm merely a poor college student paying over $20,000 a year for this
"fine" education, I did not have a VCR until now (!) and would be more
than happy to pay a couple of bucks plus price of videocassettes to have
the entire TP saga on tape.....

Any gods or goddesses out there in Pittsburgh, PA or Huntington, WV have
them all on tape and be willing to help me out?

the wonder 'Roo

In article <1991May11.211700.11198@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>  
jfl@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Juan F Lara) writes:
> > 
> >      I myself was planning on posting a request of a complete list of roles 
> > that Ray Wise has played over the years.  Apparently somebody beat me to it
> > though, but I missed the first few postings which would have a complete list.
> > Could someone please email me the Ray Wise filmography, with an emphasis on  
his
> > film roles?  And how long has he been in films and TV?
> > 
> > To everyone -
> > 
> > Juan F. Lara
> > 

This is from the TWIN PEAKS LISTS, which I will be posting an
updated version of in a few days. It contains films, TV movies
and television programs.

Wise, RayA-TEAM, THE: "Lease With An Option To Die"
(22 Oct 85)
AIRWOLF: "Hawke's Run" (22 Feb 86)
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST: "Once Upon a Time in the City
of New York" [pilot] (25 Sep 87)
BLUE THUNDER: "Payload" (9 Mar 84)
Cat People (1982)
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: "Winning Is for Losers" (18 Oct 78)
COLBYS, THE: (1986)
Condor (TV)
DALLAS: (1982)
HART TO HART: [episode unknown]
HUNTER: [episode unknown]
Journey of Natty Gann, The (1985)
KNOTS LANDING: [episode unknown]
L.A. LAW: "The Bald Ones" (25 Feb 88)
L.A. LAW: "Fetus Completus" (3 Mar 88)
LOVE OF LIFE
LOU GRANT: "Strike" (16 Feb 81)
MOONLIGHTING: [episode unknown]
Race for Glory (1989)
REMINGTON STEELE: "A Pocketful of Steele" (20 Nov 84)
Rift, The
Robocop (1987)
SCARECROW AND MRS. KING: "Pharoah's Engineer"
(20 Jan 86)
Season of Fear (1989)
Secret Life of Archie's Wife, The (TV)
Seduced (TV)
STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: "Who Watches the
Watchers?" (14 Oct 89)
STINGRAY: [episode unknown]
Swamp Thing (1982)
Taking of Flight 847, The: The Uli Derickson Story
(TV) (1988)



--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <BARB.91May7085651@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:
> >
> >In article <10640002@hpsciz.sc.hp.com> miller@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Phil Miller) writes:
> >
>> >>     BASIC THEORY: I believe David Lynch is using Twin Peaks to 
>> >>  represent a microcosm of modern day America -- an American that
>> >>  is much differnt than the America of the past (especially the 
>> >>  innocent 1950's).
> >
> >I think my basic difficulty with this is that selfishness, greed, and
> >superficiality have been around forever, and the dreamy, mythic,
> >timeless quality of the imagery of Twin Peaks seems to be telling a
> >more ageless story of the struggle of life to go on when threatened by
> >powerful forces. The evil presence seems to be beyond any particular
> >social phenomenon of recent times.  In fact, by setting the story in
> >this remote place where the classic American vision would think that
> >all should be peace and harmony, the creators seem almost to be
> >saying that a belief that things were so much better in the golden
> >age is in fact an illusion; that even in a seemingly innocent, safe
> >place like Twin Peaks, _which hasn't changed all that much since the
> >50's_, there is evil.  There are people coming from outside, who carry
> >evil within them (Eckhardt, Windom Earle), but the Black Lodge itself
> >is located right there in the woods outside of Twin Peaks, and has
> >been there since long before there was a United States of America (I
> >refer to Hawk's descriptions of the Native American legends of the
> >White and Black Lodges).  The White Lodge is there as well, but to
> >find it you have to find the Black Lodge, and to be able to
> >distinguish between the two.

[deletions galore]

> >Laura did an awful lot in her brief life, and it's interesting that it
> >was not her involvement with what could be seen as the "modern" evils
> >of life (drugs, promiscuity) that killed her.  It was an evil which
> >was much closer to her, and TOOK FORM IN THE ONE PERSON WHO, IN A
> >TRADITIONAL VIEW OF IDYLLIC AMERICAN LIFE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SOURCE
> >OF SAFETY TO HER.  It's likely that the drugs, etc. were an attempt to
> >escape from the evil that was right there in her own home.

Actually, after reading through this, my first impression is, "Hey!
This sounds a lot like the end of _The Wizzard of OZ_!  Gee!  And here
it was, all this evil, right in my own back yard!"

So, is this another example of Lynch (et al) to bring this to a
slightly rediculous conclusion -- something which I am beginning to
expect from him.  Consider:

Blue Velvet - That oh-so-bitingly tacky 50's feeling that
everything is just fine.  (Hey!  You've been wearing the shoes
the WHOLE MOVIE and you're only now reading the manual!  What
do you mean you didn't get one?)

Wild at Heart - Laura comes back to life, reincarnated as a
Good Witch (tm), saying "Stop being a fool so we can have a
nice romantic ending."

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Lynch seems to have an affinity
for the anti-OZ ending (yes, I just made it up).  Why should we expect
anything different now?  He's become so damn popular (well, kinda)
that we all believe we could pick out his "style" - but hey, we're
probably right, after all I was shown 15 seconds of _September_ before
I figured out it was directed by Woody Allen. (Like that's a
credential or something...)

Surrender, Dorothy! (_After Hours_, anyone?)

I remain,

-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | If we took the bones out, it wouldn't ---------------------------| be crunchy, would it? - MPFC

Hi--

   I'm new here, and I don't have enough time to read through all of the
posts here (geez, you guys post a lot!), but I was wondering if anyone
noticed the following:

   Just before the vision where the giant tries to warn Cooper about Annie
entering the Miss Twin Peaks contest (and then you see Pete and Audrey, and
then the "map" revelation), the dialogue goes like this:

Annie- "Just like my own fairy tale" (or something similar)
Cooper-"And you're the queen."
[vision begins]

Foreshadowing?  Wyndham's been playing a chess game, but has been in search
of a Queen...is this Lynch's way of telling us that Annie will win and be 
the Queen in Earle's deadly chess game?  Hmmm...

Another thing:  on the petroglyph/map, right next to the flame symbol, there
is a circle with a symbol in it.  As it turns out, that symbol is the sign
sometimes used in astronomy to represent Jupiter.  (Trust me, I just took
a yearlong sequence in Astronomy.)  The circle near these two--is it the
symbol for Saturn?  (I couldn't quite tell; my reception wasn't so good that 
night.)  Also, there are several vertical lines down and to the right of
the fire symbol.  The waterfalls?  Could the Black Lodge in fact be part
of, within, or in fact the Great Northern Lodge?  (Remember Ben Horne's
comment that the urge to do bad was often "nearly overpowering.")
   Well, just thought I'd throw these observations and questions out to the
Twin Peaks Freaks and see what you make of them.  "Banzai!!!"

-EMeyer

-- "Unstable condition--a symptom of life | Eric A. Meyer (eam3@po.CWRU.edu) In mental and environmental change | President, Beta Nu Chapter of Atmospheric disturbance--the feverish flux | Theta Chi Fraternity Of human interface and interchange-" -N.P. | "He's a rebel and a runner..."

I'd just like to offer a few words of encouragement...
 
The possible termination of Twin Peaks will be a sad moment, but this is not
new to television.  Remember, Star Trek was going to be canned after only
two seasons, but fan support kept it going one more year. (And even then, it
was not very popular, according to the Nielsons.)  Also, another very
short-lived series that atill continues to attract fans is The Prisoner,
which only lasted about 17 episodes! (Also keep in mind that Star Trek did
continue through the movies and a new series, and there is talk of making
new Prisoner episodes for the Arts and Entertainment network.)
 
Don't give up hope.  American audiences are largely fickle.  Even if TP is
cancelled from ABC, there is always hope!
 
(Okay, this message really doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot, but I felt
like saying it anyway! So there!)
 
Later...
Dr. Jamez.

In article <3549@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >In article <1991May5.033422.10673@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>David Lynch seems to have formed his artistic vision in the
>> >>50's and early 60's - a time of great confidence, security and
>> >>optimism in the United States.
>> >> 
>> >>The americans emerged from WW2 feeling like world heros, feeling that
>> >>in the form of Hitler they had defeated evil for all time.
>> >>The german anti-christ had been destroyed and those american
>> >>soldiers  responsible for this accomplishment felt
>> >>very sure that they were living in the best of all possible
>> >>societies, the free world. 
>> >> 
>> >>Their children, however, saw the world through different eyes.
>> >>They saw that evil still flourished, even in America. David Lynch
>> >>was one of those children. His vision of the evil that lurks under the
>> >>bright surface is the dominant theme of his work. 
>> >> 
> >
> >I find it interesting to compare Lynch's work with another American director
> >that is obsessed with the same era, John Waters.  I guess I am interested in
> >the two of them at least partially because I am a bit obsessed with the
> >same period, which coincides with my childhood, and partly because I just
> >like Lynch's underlying creepiness and Waters' overlying vulgarity.
> >
> >Lynch's characters seem to be folks that are caught on the edge between 
> >"gee, life sure is swell!" and "fire, walk with me!".  Life looks great
> >until you roll it over with your foot, see all the worms and bugs.
> >
> >On the other hand, Waters' people know that they're the worms and bugs 
> >of society, and seem to be saying "Hey! turn that goddam light off".
> >They know what they are; the plots of his movies involve confrontation
> >between straight and sub- cultures, and the subs always win.
> >
                                                       >jimbo
 
I'm not positive about Lynch, but I'm sure that I personally don't look
on Divine as a bug. I don't see the sub-culture as the bugs.
I see Oliver North as a bug. I see the young Kennedy/Smith guy as a bug.
But this may be where my view parts company with Lynch's. 
 
a.h.

Please note cross-posting when replying. Emailed replies are preferable.
This is the second release of this list. First, several points: 
    - I use the word "acter" as a gender neutral term. Actually, it could 
apply to animals as well I suppose. So that isn't a mis-spelling or typo of 
Actor. 
    - I've received comments/criticisms that some of the people mentioned 
(Carol Burnette, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor) are actually acters and not just 
comedians or what not. It's true that some people in here have done many 
film/TV appearances. However, almost any sort of entertainment involves some 
form of acting. In the end, I'll simply judge whether an entry is acceptable 
or not. Comedians will always be acceptable, as well as multi-talented entries. 
    - If anyone feels like starting up a list of Major acter celebs doing guest shots on whatever TV shows, feel free. It's certainly be a useful companion to this list. 
    - Finally, any additions, corrections, or suggestions are appreciated, and 
needed. 
 
Note: Additions must include the name of the show the celebrity was on, and 
what the celebrity is most significantly known for. Fictional shows only, no 
news or talk shows. Mini-series or TV movies are acceptable. Episode names are 
not vital but are useful. Air dates are very much wanted if possible. Any 
corrections are welcome.  
 
        Non-Acter Celebrity TV Guest Star List - Version 1.01 (5/12/91) 
     ===================================================================== 
 
The A-Team : 
    William Perry, football player - The Trouble With Harry 
 
All My Children : 
    Carol Burnette, commedian - ? 
    Barbara Bush, First Lady - ? 
    Danny Sullivan, Indy car driver - ? 
 
Cheers : 
    Wade Boggs, baseball player - Bar Wars 
    Dick Cavett, author and talk show host - They Call Me Mayday 
    John Cleese, comedian - Simon Says 
    William J. Crowe, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff - Hot Rocks 
    Michael Dukakis, politician - Sam Time Next Year 
    Raymond J. Flynn, Mayor of Boston - The Stork Brings a Crane 
    Anthony Frank, Postmaster General - Cry Harder, Part 2 
    Jonny Gilbert, game show announcer - What Is... Cliff Clavin? 
    Arsenio Hall, talk show host - Where Nobody Knows Your Name 
    Gary Hart, politician - Strange Bedfellows, Part 2 
    Bobby Hatfield, singer - Wedding Bell Blues 
    Bob Lobel, Boston sportcaster (Channel 4) - ? 
    Kevin McHale, basketball player - Cheers Fouls Out 
    John McLaughlin, political analyst - 200th episode special 
    Bill Medley, singer - Finally, Parts 1 and 2 
    Tip O'Neill, politician - No Contest 
    Luis Tiant, baseball player - Now Pitching, Sam Malone 
    Alex Trebek, game show host - My Fair Clavin, What is... Cliff Clavin? 
 
The Cosby Show : 
    Sammy Davis Jr., dancer, singer, impressionist - ? 
 
Different Strokes : 
    Nancy Reagan, first lady - ? 
 
Dynasty : 
    Gerald Ford, Ex-President - ? 
    Henry Kissenger, politician - ? 
 
Full House : 
    Don Ho, musician - ? 
    Polynesian Cultural Center performers - ? 
    Beach Boys, musicians - ? 
 
Guiding Light : 
    B-52's, musical group - ? 
 
General Hospital : 
    Sammy Davis, Jr., singer, dancer, impressionist - ? 
 
Hart To Hart : 
    Martina Navratilova, tennis player - Hart to Hart 
 
L.A. Law : 
    Vanna White, game-show hostess - ? 
 
Laugh-In : 
    Johnny Carson, talk show host - ? 
    Billy Graham, evangelist - ? 
    Ed McMahon, sidekick - ? 
    Richard Nixon, president - ? 
    Rod Serling, producer/writer/host - ? 
 
Love, Sydney : 
    Itzhak Perlman, parapalegic violinist - ? 
 
Major Dad : 
    Dan Quayle, Vice-President - ? 
 
Mary Tyler Moore Show : 
    Walter Cronkite, reporter, anchorman - ? 
    Betty Ford, first lady - ? 
 
Macgyver : 
    Rich Little, impressionist - ? 
    Frank Lorenzo, ex-wrestler - ? 
    Wendy O. Williams, musician (singer) - ? 
 
Magnum, P.I. : 
    Carol Burnett, comedian - ? 
    Carol Channing, ? - ? 
    Frank Sinatra, singer - "Laura" 
    Alan Trammell, baseball player - ? 
    Lou Whitaker, baseball player - ? 
 
Miami Vice : 
    Alexis Arguello, champion boxer - Milk Run 
    Mark Breland, champion boxer - Down For The Count (pt 1) 
    James Brown, soul musician - Missing Hours 
    Phil Collins, musician (drummer) - Phil The Shill 
    Miles Davis, Jazz musician - Junk Love 
    Sheena Easton, musician - Like A Hurricane 
    Fiona, musician - Little Miss Dangerous 
    Glenn Frey, musician - Smuggler's Blues 
    Matt Frewer, computer simulation - Hostile Takeover, Redemption In Blood 
    Jan Hammer, musician - One Way Ticket 
    Lee Iacocca, Chrysler CEO - Sons And Lovers 
    Bianca Jagger, ex-wife of Mick Jagger - Free Verse 
    David Johansen, musician (Buster Poindexter) - The Dutch Oven 
    Bernard King, NBA star -  The Fix 
    Don King, boxing manager - Down For The Count 
    Eartha Kitt, blues singer - Whatever Works 
    G. Gordon Liddy, Watergate scandal - Back In The World, Stone's War 
    John Matuszak, former NFL star - Viking Bikers From Hell 
    Willie Nelson, musician - El Viejo 
    Ted Nugent, musician (guitarist) - Definately Miami 
    Bill Russell, NBA hall of famer - The Fix 
    Danny Sullivan, Indy car racer - Florence Italy 
    Vanity, musician (singer) - By Hooker By Crook 
    Frank Zappa, musician (guitarist) - Payback 
    ??, ex-porno star - ? 
 
Mr. Roger's Neighborhood : 
    Ray Charles, musician - ? 
    Julia Child, chef - ? 
    ??, opera singer - ? 
    ??, astronaught - ? 
 
Newhart : 
    Fred Travalena, impressionist - A Midseason's Night Dream 
    Edwin Newman, newscaster - (2/16/87) 
    Tommy Newsom, bandleader - A Midseason's Night Dream 
    Ed McMahon, sweepstakes spokesman - (3/13/89) 
    Peggy Fleming, skater - Jumpin' George 
    Joan Embery, San Diego Zoo caretaker - A Midseason's Night Dream 
    Tim Conway, comedian - Dick and Tim 
    Johnny Carson, talk show host - Malling in Love Again 
    Merv Griffin, TV producer - Hi, Society 
 
Night Court : 
    Johnny Carson, late-night TV host, comedian - ? 
    Wyle E. Coyote, toon - ? 
    Brandon Tartikoff, NBC executive - ? 
    Mel Torme, singer - ? 
 
Quantum Leap : 
    Peter Noone, Herman And The Hermits vocalist - "Glitter Rock" (4/10/91) 
 
Remington Steele : 
    Tony Bennet, singer [voice only] - Steele Trying 
    Whitey Ford, baseball player - Second Base Steele 
    Mickey Mantle, baseball player - Second Base Steele 
 
Santa Barbara : 
    Rich Little, impressionist - ? 
 
Saturday Night Live : 
    Julian Bond, politician, George Senator? - (4/9/77) 
    Gerald Ford, president - (4/17/76) 
    Jesse Jackson, presidential canidate - (10/20/84) 
    Ed Koch, NYC mayor - (10/7/78, 5/14/83, 5/12/84) 
    George McGovern, politician - (4/14/84) 
    Richard Pryor, comedian - (12/13/75) 
    Paul Simon, senator - (12/12/87?) 
    Frank Zappa, musician (guitarist) - (12/11/76, 10/21/78) 
 
Scarecrow And Mrs. King : 
    Tracy Austin, tennis player - Playing for Keeps 
    Judy Collins, singer - ? 
    Art Garfunkle, folk singer, musician - ? 
    Lena Horne, singer - ? 
    Bo Jackson, all-around athelete - ? 
    Buffy St. Marie, singer, Amerindian activist - ? 
    Paul Simon, folk singer, musician - ? 
 
Sesamee Street : 
    Bill Cosby, comedian - ? 
    Mayor David Dinkins, mayor of New York City - ? 
    Aretha Franklin?, musician (singer) - ? 
    Bo Jackson, all-around athlete - ? 
    Yo-Yo Ma, cellist - ? 
    Seiji Ozawa, conductor - ? 
    Itzhak Perlman, violinist - ? 
    Richard Pryor, comedian-to-be - ? 
    Robin Williams, comedian - ? 
 
V : 
    Isaac Asimov - First part of first mini-series 
 
What's My Line : 
    Jimmy Carter, politician - ? 
 
Who's The Boss? : 
    Ray Charles, musician - ? 
    Mike Tyson, boxer - ? 
 
The Young And The Restless : 
    Wayne Gretzky, athlete? - ? 


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In article <1991May9.145114.8652@eng.ufl.edu>, statman@whale.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:
> > Hello gang,
> > It's a long wait until June 10th isn't it?  It better be worth
> > it.  :-)  In the absence I have taken to incorporating a little lynchian
> > atmosphere into other people's lives.  For example, I'll walk into a 
> > grocery store and bounce a tennis ball for 15-30 minutes and then leave.
> > Carry on conversations with myself over a long period of time.  I.e.
> > walk into the secretaries office (she's great to baffle) make a comment
> > to myself, answer and then leave.  Later I'll come back in and say 
> > another couple of lines, etc.  Like Calvin says, I like to put a little
> > surrealism into people's lives.  :-)
> > 
> > But seriously,  I have a dilemna.  We received a VCR for
> > Christmas from my mother-in-law.  So I have all of the shows taped
> > after that but NONE before!  I would trade my mother-in-law for a
> > copy of all the shows in 1990.


(Not a direct answer - not even sure if it would be lawful to give one, BUT..)

In Oz they just released the final six hours of the first series on one video
package.  It's quite distinctive. It has a photo of Shelly Johnson labelled as
Audrey Horne... :-}


 
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In article <3549@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >In article <1991May5.033422.10673@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>David Lynch seems to have formed his artistic vision in the
>> >>50's and early 60's - a time of great confidence, security and
>> >>optimism in the United States.
>> >> 
>> >>ann h.
> >
> >I find it interesting to compare Lynch's work with another American director
> >that is obsessed with the same era, John Waters.  ...
> > ...
> >Lynch's characters seem to be folks that are caught on the edge between 
> >"gee, life sure is swell!" and "fire, walk with me!".  Life looks great
> >until you roll it over with your foot, see all the worms and bugs.
> >
> >On the other hand, Waters' people know that they're the worms and bugs 
> >of society, and seem to be saying "Hey! turn that goddam light off".
> >They know what they are; the plots of his movies involve confrontation
> >between straight and sub- cultures, and the subs always win.
> >

Yeah, I'm quite fond of John Waters' films myself, from the early gross-out
films to the almost campy later stuff (that still, fortunately, manages to
make you squirm a bit while you're laughing).

However, thought I'd just note that Waters' characters, instead of "Hey! turn
that goddam light off", seem to me to be saying, "Hey! Point that spotlight
at me so I can wriggle real good for ya."  These folks are proud of their
quirks!

Paul Bartel's another of my favorite off-beat directors (_Eating Raoul_,
_Scenes from a Class Struggle in Beverly Hills_, and a number of others).
George Romero is also a lot of fun - especially _Dawn of the Dead_... those
scenes of the zombies riding up and down the escalators in the shopping mall
caused genuine paroxysms of laughter!

Ob TP content (well, sort of):  One of the 'chess games of life' stories that
was mentioned here a while back was Kurt Vonnegut's "All the King's Men".
That story and two others from _Welcome to the Monkey House_ are being shown
on Showtime tonight and several more times this week/month.  Probably worth
checking out if you've got cable or satellite.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

The feeling of being "in on" something pretty exclusive and special can
be a big part of the appeal for some shows, bands, artists, authors,
festivals or whatever.  When the "exclusiveness" diminishes, so does the
appeal.  That's part of human nature.

Is this elitism?  Who knows.  What's certain is that fans who desert at
the first sign of popularity have neither artistic excellence nor the
well being of their admirees at heart.  Good product merits watching
regardless of popularity.  And the producers are doing this for a
living.  So we should wish them all success, and keep watching or
listening as long as the work is good.

Anyway, we are probably the wrong bunch of people to ask: we purposely
choose to congregate in celebration of Peaks, thus thrusting the shared
likes of others into our own faces without complaint.

Gee, when I mentioned the "All the King's Men" story by Kurt Vonnegut
appearing in a new production on Showtime, I didn't know the TP connection
would be quite so solid...

Don Davis, our very own Major Briggs, plays a fairly principal role in that
story!  In fact, he plays a Major!  (The name was Vernon Sutherland, or
Vernor Sutherland, I think.)

So the stories (there are 3 of them this outing, and apparently there are
going to be more) are worth seeing for that reason alone:-), but, in fact,
or at least IMHO, the stories are very well done.  They have been updated
somewhat to modern times, and to fit the television medium, and the
translation works surprisingly well!  Kurt Vonnegut has stated that he
is quite happy with the way the works have been adapted (in a "Satellite TV
Week" story).  Kurt Vonnegut himself introduces the stories, by the way.
Fun stuff!!

I think the series is called "Welcome to the Monkey House", and is appearing
on Showtime several times this month.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

  Could someone either email me this or post it to a.t.t-p as I seem to have
missed it ( I got 1000 - 2018 ). Thanks if you can.

                Tone

   I didn't see any Twin-Peaks entries on the ``non-acter celebrity
gueststar list''  I don't think this is the case,
but wouldn't it be great if the Toad is played by Bobby Fischer?

I wish people would wise up and stop complaining about ABC "killing"
Twin Peaks.  Twin Peaks did very well in its very first show, which was
heavily advertised and promoted, but started slipping immediately after
it started its regular run, in the Thursday at 10PM time slot.  Now,
granted, putting it on Saturdays at 10 really hurt it, but it was not a
stellar performer even in a perfectly good time slot -- I know many
people who missed one show in the first season, and could just not catch
up again afterwards.  In the second season, ABC tried to capture a new
audience Saturday nights by putting some of their shows with the best
artistic potential on Saturday nights -- China Beach, Twin Peaks -- but
that idea failed.  They weren't trying to kill shows off, they just
tried something that didn't work.  And at that point, Twin Peaks did not
have a large enough segment of the viewership to justify putting it in
one of their best slots.  Missing shows around Christmas was again a
result of the serial nature of Twin Peaks, not because ABC didn't like
the show; you can't go back and fill in with some of the best shows if
each show depends on the previous.  Finally, moving the show to Thrusday
nights at 9 didn't help much, as anyone might expect.

I think what really killed Twin Peaks was its serial nature -- just
didn't fit television's schedule -- and the ambivalent artistic
committment of Lynch and Frost.  If they had stuck with the show, it
would have continuted to get the approval of the critics, instead of
losing even them in the first half of the second season.  Then the show
might have been continued, either because of ABC's wanting to keep a
show around that got such great reviews, or because of the audience that
continual good reviews would have generated.

-- J

In article <1991May12.025840.5822@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
> >
> >Another thing:  on the petroglyph/map, right next to the flame symbol, there
> >is a circle with a symbol in it.  As it turns out, that symbol is the sign
> >sometimes used in astronomy to represent Jupiter.  (Trust me, I just took
> >a yearlong sequence in Astronomy.)
> >Also, there are several vertical lines down and to the right of
> >the fire symbol.  The waterfalls?  Could the Black Lodge in fact be part
> >of, within, or in fact the Great Northern Lodge?  (Remember Ben Horne's
> >comment that the urge to do bad was often "nearly overpowering.")

I feel the lines are very clearly a waterfall.  Whether or not the
Black Lodge is part of the Great Northern, the fire symbol (BOB?) is
placed right where the Great Northern would appear on the map.  There
has been some speculation that the Great Lodge is strongly associated with
the waterfall (under it?) because of all the odd shots of dripping liquids
in TP (rain gutter outlets, oil tanks, the coffee/syrup in the RR)...

The unfortunate part of the whole petroglyph/map idea is that there is
no good source of a map of Twin Peaks (assuming the layout of Twin
Peaks is NOT identical to the layout of Snoqualmie; and even if it is,
we still have no good sense of the location of things like Owl Cave,
the summer house of Leland's youth, or the cabins of the Log Lady or
Jacques Renault...

In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:

> >I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
> >strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
> >series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
> >involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
> >like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
> >pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?

> >--Fiona O.

I procured a copy of this article this past weekend while at my parents'.  It
is, in my considered opinion, a truly shoddy piece of journalism (and I write
that as both a TP and NYT fan).  I don't have the time to transcribe it for 
you, but will gladly mail it to the first person who promises to post it (I've
already E-mailed Fiona).  Some excerpts and observations follow:

The article got front page in Arts & Leisure - headline 'WELCOME TO TWIN PEAKS
AND VALLEYS  The soap noir that began as 'the seies that would change TV' is
lurching to its demise.  Was it a victim of its own hype?'

The article then goes on to answer that question 'yes', while dismissing the 
show's meaning and citing numerous fallacies.

"...the series suffered from its own initial success.  "Twin Peaks" was hip...
[the drama] came packaged and stamped with an official cult seal of approval.
...highly motivated fans were watching in groups, maintaining disciplined
silence until the last credit rolled, then, in an orgy of interpretation,
analyzing the obscure visual symbols in the show."

How better to denigrate a work than to label its fans as a 'cult'?
Soon we're treated to the first of many assinine quotes:

'"It started out as a wonderful show," says Meredith Berlin, an editor at Soap
Opera Digest, "but they lost sight of two things: story and character.  They
started being outrageous for the sake of being outrageous..." Lynch fans 
didn't mind.  They were content to drift with the slow dream logic of the
series...and not worry too much about cause and effect.'

Right.  And I suppose the myth of Icarus should be trashed because, after all,
you can't fly by attaching feathers to your arms and even if you could it would
get colder not hotter in the upper atmosphere and besides you'd run out of
oxygen long before you got near the Sun - what terrible cause and effect!

The word elitism doesn't appear in the article, but it definitely did put 
forth that the core fans were upset about the general public taking interest.

'But even the Lynchites [I guess that's the name of our cult] could not help
noticing a disturbing trend: far too many of their fellow citizens were 
picking up the show's peculiar frequency..."It's the same thing that killed 
'Miami Vice,'" says Robert J. Thompson, professor of communications at State 
University of New York at Cortland.  "The look of that show defined hipness
for a while.  But once you see your 13-year old sister wearing the clothes,
it's over."'

Thompson offers some more scatology later in the article:

"I think it always appealed to a college-educated group that's taken a few 
literature courses and gets excited when it sees something that looks like
a symbol."

Some of the outright errors in the article:

'Bemused viewers struggled to keep up as new subplots and peculiar characters
- some of them from outer space - proliferated madly.'

COOP is referred to as 'Citizens Outraged at the Offing of Peaks'.

And a few interpretations that are thrown in to reinforce the writing-off of
the show:

Regarding the finale: '...it's a safe bet that many of the viewers who do tune
in will be content to see the series call it a day after 30 episodes.'

'Even diehard fans admit that the show became too complex and bizzare.'

I've got more to say about this, but it will have to wait.  Gotta go...

Tony Matt    tonym@clearpoint.com

In article <5535@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@atrain.sw.stratus.com (C. D.  
Tavares) writes: 
> > The unfortunate part of the whole petroglyph/map idea is that there is
> > no good source of a map of Twin Peaks (assuming the layout of Twin
> > Peaks is NOT identical to the layout of Snoqualmie; and even if it is,
> > we still have no good sense of the location of things like Owl Cave,
> > the summer house of Leland's youth, or the cabins of the Log Lady or
> > Jacques Renault...

The Twin Peaks Access Guide will be available _real_ soon in your
local bookstore, if it isn't there already. This should have an
excellent map of the TP area.

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <5535@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@atrain.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <1991May12.025840.5822@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
>> >>
> >
> >The unfortunate part of the whole petroglyph/map idea is that there is
> >no good source of a map of Twin Peaks (assuming the layout of Twin
> >Peaks is NOT identical to the layout of Snoqualmie; and even if it is,
> >we still have no good sense of the location of things like Owl Cave,
> >the summer house of Leland's youth, or the cabins of the Log Lady or
> >Jacques Renault...


I keep waiting for the moment when Cooper compares the Owl cave
map with the map of Twin Peaks that's in the sheriffs office. I think
that he will suddenly see the match between them.
Differences might be due to the passage of time since the cave map was
drawn - 
rivers can change course and the waterfall will keep moving back,
cutting into the rock a bit more every year.
 

Ann Hodgins                     E Uassiuian is the will to continue (watching 
alternat@watdcs.                Twin Peaks) to laugh, to have fun and to be 
uwaterloo.ca                    amazed.

As a tot, i'd go to girhardelli square and order a (you guessed it)
Twin Peaks!!!!
it was a mound of chocolate ice cream and a mound of vanillia
  with a ton of hot fudge sauce all over it, whipped cream and two
  cherries


so, the show twin peaks is merely an allegory for ice cream
i'll drink to that :-)

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In article <91130.004707KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >  Although my trend of Ray Wise as a murderer in previous roles was already mer
> >cilessly shot down recently, I reluctantly add my own exception to the rule; I
> >think I spotted him as a perfectly normal, law-abiding prosecuting attorney on
> >an old L.A. Law episode.  Of course, just because we didn't SEE him kill anybod
> >y...
> >
> >Kyle R. Krom                krk4@psuvm.psu.edu

Hey, I have another one to add to the murderer role list.  He was on
"Stingray" playing an amoral doctor that took poor people in a hospital that
didn't have many connections and faked their deaths and took them to a facility
to do drug experimentation on them or something.

Dan Harkless
dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

I honestly don't recall if I read this tidbit on usenet or NOT, so I'll post
it anyway, what the hell when theres no new TWEEKS to dissect.  Yesterday
(sunday) I saw Wilder's Sunset Boulevard for the first time, one of the
openers of the Billy Wilder festival at the Film Forum.  Wilder named an
off camera character "Gordon Cole", a worker at Paramount studios under
Cecil B Demille... maybe a real Paramount person?  In the film Cole calls
the movie stars house but she won't speak to him.  When she goes to see
De Mille she mentions that the calls from Gordon Cole prompted her to visit
the studio for the first time in decades.  De Mille calls Cole to ask just 
what the hell was going on.  Gordon Cole explains that he wanted to use
her old fashioned car as a movie prop for a period picture!  Not much of
a MacGuffin but an cute origin to a peculiar character. 


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In article <Ic=rliy00WBNM3f3V6@andrew.cmu.edu>, nn0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Noah D.
Neiman) writes:
> > I Would like to let someone at ABC know what I think about their
> > programming.  If anyone knows of the addresses of ABC exec's, I would
> > appreciate them.  Thank you in advance.

I have the following addresses for letter writing:

ABC: audience information, 1330 Avenue of the Americas, NY 10019
CBS: program department, 555 W. 52nd St, NY 10019
NBC: audience services, 30 Rockefeller Plaza, NY 10020
--
----------------------------
Steve Kleiser
skleiser@Vitalink.COM

In the June 1991 issue of Premiere (the movie magazine) page 72,
I came across this bit of news: "..Troma offers the magical duo of
Russ Tamblyn and Lyle Waggoner in WIZARDS OF THE DEMON SWORD, a
satirical action-quest complete with dinosaurs, damsels, and the
Slave Master..."

       Wow!  Sounds like a whole lota shakin going on in Cleveland!!

                                              Phil

   There was a real person Gordon Kahl who had formed a paramilitary group
(I think opposition to income tax was one of their things) and died in a
fight with police.  It seeemed to me that Cooper's boss' name was pronounced
``Kahl'' in the first season, and changed to ``Cole'' later.  Maybe somebody
with access to closed-caption stuff from the first season could confirm or
refute this.

> >From: webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
> >Subject: ABC did not kill Twin Peaks

> >I wish people would wise up and stop complaining about ABC "killing"
> >Twin Peaks.  Twin Peaks did very well in its very first show, which was
> >heavily advertised and promoted, but started slipping immediately after
> >it started its regular run, in the Thursday at 10PM time slot.
Even so, it finished 20th last year-- that's pretty good-- giving
ABC little reason to move it to Saturday nights, the well-known
graveyard of ABC television.

> >  Now,
> >granted, putting it on Saturdays at 10 really hurt it, but it was not a
> >stellar performer even in a perfectly good time slot -- I know many
> >people who missed one show in the first season, and could just not catch
> >up again afterwards.  In the second season, ABC tried to capture a new
> >audience Saturday nights by putting some of their shows with the best
> >artistic potential on Saturday nights -- China Beach, Twin Peaks -- but
> >that idea failed.  They weren't trying to kill shows off, they just
> >tried something that didn't work.
I don't think that ABC was *trying* to kill the show with the
Saturday deal, but you have to admit that it was very stupid of ABC
to put Twin Peaks into this let's-get-VCR-tape-rental-people-to-start-
watch-ABC-on-Saturday-nights experiment.  Twin Peaks itself was an  
experiment in television and should not have been subjected to this
additional experiment (sort of a double curse against the show's ratings).
The problem is that ABC should have pampered Twin Peaks or at
least given it treatment equal to that of any other show.  No other
show on ABC was moved like this (except maybe Baby Talk I think) and taken 
off the air so many times (once in Oct., 6 times around Christmas, again in 
Feb., and also in April/May-- I think this is right).

> >Missing shows around Christmas was again a
> >result of the serial nature of Twin Peaks, not because ABC didn't like
> >the show; you can't go back and fill in with some of the best shows if
> >each show depends on the previous.  
Are you saying that the "hiatus" around Christmas was because
new shows weren't ready to be aired?  I don't think that this is the case,
but if it were, re-runs could certainly have been aired instead of
Ghostbusters.  If anything, audiences could be better maintained by 
showing re-runs than by waiting 6 weeks to show a new episode.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Does anyone know of a program to convert the
Macsounds files to the .au format required for
playback on Sun workstations ?

Thanks,

Darryl

webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
> > I think what really killed Twin Peaks was its serial nature -- just
> > didn't fit television's schedule -- and the ambivalent artistic

So, basically what you are saying is that people shut their brains off 
when they watch television, and are consequently unable to understand 
anything that is not resolved within an hour, or half an hour, or however 
long the episode is supposed to last.

Okay, I'll go along with that. Unfortunately, it's true. 

Actually, I like the idea that there are plenty of people who watch the 
show - it's just that very few viewers are the type to be selected by 
Nielsen for a ratings diary. I wouldn't be surprised if Nielsen 
intentionally avoids the audience for shows such as Twin Peaks - this 
type of person is the kind who thinks that commercials are brainless and 
do not want to watch them. If the viewers who mean anything (i.e., those 
who have Nielsen diaries) thought like that, where would the advertisers 
be?

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Wasn't the giant simply warning Cooper about letting Annie
enter the competition?  Remember, just when Annie decided
to enter, Cooper said "you'll be the queen" and Windham has
said that the queen will be the one to die...

Caren

Ah, fodder for alt.folklore.urban.  Having been given a first hand look
at Neilsen's operation, and having done surveys in a number of environments,
the only comment I have is, "My, they do it well."

The biggest problem with the reliability of Neilsen, et al., data is that the
respondents are self-rejecting.  I.e., the sampling plan A.C. uses is intended
to produce a representative audience.  But who refuses to have the monitoring
equipment installed, to complete forms, etc., injects bias.  Furthermore,
as things stand, only real time viewing counts--and as we all know, many TP
fans delay-tape their viewing.  Add cultural factors to this brew, and we get
what we have:  a loyal, vocal, but-not-that-large and slightly-out-of-the-
mainstream audience.

Lynch chose to be different.  We find the results fantastic; many do not.
Sounds like "Dune" redux.

                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
                                                 o . o
Not a By-product of Any Technology!               xxx

In article <74096988E0002EBE@UMAECS>, GIOVIN%PRIAM@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky
Giovinazzo) writes:
|> Are you saying that the "hiatus" around Christmas was because
|> new shows weren't ready to be aired?  I don't think that this is the
|> case,
|> but if it were, re-runs could certainly have been aired instead of
|> Ghostbusters.  If anything, audiences could be better maintained by 
|> showing re-runs than by waiting 6 weeks to show a new episode.

Traditionally, TV shows take some time off around Christmas and reruns
are aired.  With Twin Peaks, re-running previous shows doesn't make
sense for two reasons.  First, the show is serial, with each show
depending strongly on the previous; airing shows out of order would have
confused a lot of people.  Second, the entire first season has already
been rerun just prior to the start of the second season -- so rerunning
it once again seems excessive.

If Twin Peaks were in its third season, say, then rerunning part of the
first season, in sequence, might make sense if some of the plot threads
could have been brought to a satisfactory close in that time.  But it
doesn't make much sense to show the first season for the third time in
two years, or repeat shows from the second season only a few months
later.

-- J

In article <5ZJy22w164w@halcyon.uucp>, halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu
(Demosthenes) writes:
|> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
|> > I think what really killed Twin Peaks was its serial nature --
|> just
|> > didn't fit television's schedule -- and the ambivalent artistic
|> 
|> So, basically what you are saying is that people shut their brains
|> off 
|> when they watch television, and are consequently unable to understand
|> |> anything that is not resolved within an hour, or half an hour, or
|> however 
|> long the episode is supposed to last.
|> 
|> Okay, I'll go along with that. Unfortunately, it's true. 

Geez, you have such contempt for the majority of America.

The problem is not with people's stupidity, but with their lack of deep
committment to be home to watch a TV show, or to set their VCR up to
record it while they are away.  With a strongly serial program like Twin
Peaks, if they miss one episode, they've lost quite a bit.  They can't
catch up later, or can do so only with difficulty.  This is not bad in
itself, but it doesn't fit in well with the nature of US television,
where shows are broadcast only once at a certain time each week, and
occasional interruptions throw the schedules off.  I think one reason
for the success of Twin Peaks in other countries is that the shows are
shown more than once -- at least, that's how I understand they are
showing them in some places.

-- J

I'm starting to lose hope now that the tshirts are reduced to $3.00.
There were two styles:  a "Who killed Laura Palmer?" shirt with the
graduation photo and a cherry pie with R & R diner logo.

In article <1991May13.182916.8039@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, coufal@kanga
(David Ernest Coufal) writes:
> > In article <5535@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@atrain.sw.stratus.com (C. D.  
> > Tavares) writes: 
>> > > The unfortunate part of the whole petroglyph/map idea is that there is
>> > > no good source of a map of Twin Peaks (assuming the layout of Twin
>> > > Peaks is NOT identical to the layout of Snoqualmie; and even if it is,
>> > > we still have no good sense of the location of things like Owl Cave,
>> > > the summer house of Leland's youth, or the cabins of the Log Lady or
>> > > Jacques Renault...
> > 
> > The Twin Peaks Access Guide will be available _real_ soon in your
> > local bookstore, if it isn't there already. This should have an
> > excellent map of the TP area.
> > 

I found _Welcome to Twin Peaks, Access Guide to the Town_ in a bookstore
in Acton Mass (Lauriats Books) last weekend.  Included are three maps.  
The first, inside the front cover shows all the downtown streets, including 
Lynch Road and Frost Avenue.  The second map, on the the back cover, shows 
Twin Peaks and the surrounding geography, including Pearl Lakes, Owl Cave, 
and Unguin's Field Observatory (UFO).  The third map, inside the back cover, 
shows the northwest corner of the US, from Seattle to Missoula, and from 
Calgary to Portland.  (Twin Peaks is indeed in the upper right corner of 
Washington state.)

Also recreated is the petroglyph from Owl Cave.  The petroglyph definitely
seems to match the map of Twin Peaks and its surrounding geography.  Black
Lake, the Columbia River, White Tail Falls, Pearl Lakes, and the 'Twin Peaks', 
all seem to match up. 

BTW, the population on the Twin Peaks sign is clarified:  "The 1990 census 
revealed our present population is 5,120.1, NOT 51,201."  (A number of people
must have died in 1989:-)   Also, Cooper's middle name is Bartholomew.  

--
Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300

"Whittlers should have at least seven fingers."
  -- The Joys of Whittling, _Welcome to Twin Peaks, Access Guide to the Town_

Back in the days when there still appeared to be some hope for the
continuation of TP, a lot of people seemed eager to have the series
picked up by FOX (a great idea).
 
I have another idea, which is a bit weird, but makes a lot of sense: PBS.
(gasp!)
Not that PBS would pick up and continue TP, but I'm certain that
if enough supporters (of the Monty Python or Doctor Who breed) emerge
from the current throng of TP fans, we'll be seeing TP on PBS at
pledge drive time.
 
TP was perfect as a series on network TV, because of the anticipation
generated from week to week. However, the attention span required
for one to follow the show, and the absolute need for viewers not
to miss even one episode seems to suggest that the epsiodes be shown
nightly for the benefit of the hard-core Peaks fans.
 
I had similar thoughts about Dune. (Disclaimer for Frank Herbert fans:
The only novel in that series which I have read is Dune itself.)
I found that the movie lost much of the content of the novel by compressing
a fairly involved novel into such a short time. Might it not have been feasible
to make Dune as long as a 5-episode miniseries on PBS? I'd say that in
a perfect world, such a scheme would have been ideal. Twin Peaks,
however, is a different animal--network TV is more consistent with
all aspects of the style of the series.
 
I don't believe for a minute that TP could survive as a current series
on PBS, but a posthumous existence seems possible.
-James Mihaychuk    Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB, Canada-

In article <1991May14.075413.5238@panix.uucp> dfl@panix.uucp (Danny Lieberman) writes:

   Yesterday
   (sunday) I saw Wilder's Sunset Boulevard for the first time, one of the
   openers of the Billy Wilder festival at the Film Forum.  Wilder named an
   off camera character "Gordon Cole", a worker at Paramount studios under
   Cecil B Demille...

And, of course there's always Blackie's expropriation of the closing
line of the ``Sunset Boulevard'', when she and Jean are making the
video of Audrey drugged-out: ``She's ready for her closeup''.

-30-
Bob

``C'est une grande privilege que vous me faites, La Belle, une grande privilege.''

In article <1991May14.075413.5238@panix.uucp> dfl@panix.uucp (Danny Lieberman) writes:
> >I honestly don't recall if I read this tidbit on usenet or NOT, so I'll post
> >it anyway, what the hell when theres no new TWEEKS to dissect.  Yesterday
> >(sunday) I saw Wilder's Sunset Boulevard for the first time, one of the
> >openers of the Billy Wilder festival at the Film Forum.  Wilder named an
> >off camera character "Gordon Cole", a worker at Paramount studios under
> >Cecil B Demille... maybe a real Paramount person?  In the film Cole calls
> >the movie stars house but she won't speak to him.  When she goes to see
> >De Mille she mentions that the calls from Gordon Cole prompted her to visit
> >the studio for the first time in decades.  De Mille calls Cole to ask just 
> >what the hell was going on.  Gordon Cole explains that he wanted to use
> >her old fashioned car as a movie prop for a period picture!  Not much of
> >a MacGuffin but an cute origin to a peculiar character. 
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >***********************************************************************
> >* Danny Lieberman                                     cmcl2!panix!dfl *
> >* PO Box 3131                                        "Here's Leland!" *
> >* NYC 10008-3131 USA                              THIS SPACE FOR SALE * 

Sorry to dump this in a.t.tp, but my messages got bounced!  I just wanted to
know the definition of "a MacGuffin."  My last name being McGufficke, I 
wanted to see if there was a connection.  Again--my apologies to anyone
who wasted time reading this!

Guff

C
C
kno
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ooo Ah, but nobody in _Twin_Peaks_ has a British accent! :-)
    <_Jym_>

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::\ \___/ /:: I put my panties on one leg at a time. ::| Fine |/::
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In a previous article, cbrooks@brahms.udel.edu (Chris Brooks) says:

> >I'm starting to lose hope now that the tshirts are reduced to $3.00.
> >There were two styles:  a "Who killed Laura Palmer?" shirt with the
> >graduation photo and a cherry pie with R & R diner logo.

   How about the "Twin Peaks Sheriff Department" shirts?  What are those
going for?

-EMeyer

-- "Unstable condition--a symptom of life | Eric A. Meyer (eam3@po.CWRU.edu) In mental and environmental change | President, Beta Nu Chapter of Atmospheric disturbance--the feverish flux | Theta Chi Fraternity Of human interface and interchange-" -N.P. | "He's a rebel and a runner..."

Hello fellow peaks-freaks,

I found an interesting product on the shelf the other
day, Snoqualmie Pancakes.  A pancake mix that was made 
famous at the Snoqualmie Lodge (aka The Great Northern)
so it would seem that The Great Northern is known for 
more than it's d*** good coffee.  

This got me to wondering (and that is very dangerous) 
if there are any other products out there in consumer-land
that might be related to t-p ?  Has anybody else found anything
that might be of interest to us t-p fans?

Just something to get keep people busy until the 10th (of june)
 8-)

BTW, our t-p group is planning a t-p party on the 10th to watch
the Final Episode (sob sob) and I KNOW that we are not alone,
so hows about what are people planning to do? (costums?, 
pie?, coffee?, what?!) Lets hear it!!

so long for now
-shawn
.

-- shawn@aardvark.pdx.com "I'm with the government, I'm here to help!" "The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister!!" -Bono

Note:  Please send all replies to bnelson@cc.weber.edu  Thanx!



I am doing a spoof of Twin Peaks for a class project and I need an 
example of the dialouge that agent Cooper does when he talks into his 
tape recorder, which in turn is sent to Dianne.  I saw example of this
a few weeks ago, but didn't extract that posting.

Any excerpts or knowledge of a twin peaks archive that is FTPable would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Bert Nelson                                 Internet:  bnelson@cc.weber.edu
Weber State University

In <1991May15.154145.27614@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mihaych@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Mihaychuk) writes:

> >Back in the days when there still appeared to be some hope for the
> >continuation of TP, a lot of people seemed eager to have the series
> >picked up by FOX (a great idea).
> > 
> >I have another idea, which is a bit weird, but makes a lot of sense: PBS.


Naw.... it's gonna end up in reruns on A&E.  I betcha.

-- Tom Betz -- 114 Woodworth Avenue - Yonkers, NY 10701-2509 -- (914) 375-1510 rutgers!cmcl2!panix!tbetz | apple!panix!tbetz | panix!tbetz@cmcl2.nyu.edu --------- "I wouldn't say it if I didn't know it wasn't true." -- Emmanuel Transmission

In article <JYM.91May15121612@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >ooo Ah, but nobody in _Twin_Peaks_ has a British accent! :-)
> >    <_Jym_>
> >

What about Dick Tremayne?


--
===============================================================================
Carol Osterbrock          * 
carolo@cis.ucsc.edu       *  Do not go gentle into that good night,
% CIS Board               *  Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I hate to sound like a dumb provincial, but here in New Zealand we are
only in the first series.

What I want to know is do we find out who killed the girlie?  I know all
the rumours abound about her father, but I can't understand how the
series can continue if the identity of the killer is known.  I am
getting sick of smug arseholes trumpeting `We know! We know!'

WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHO DID IT IF IT IS KNOWN...WE ARE NOT GREAT FANS
OF SPOILERS....


David McSweeney
`We're Neutral and Nuclear Free/ and that's the way we want to be'

> >From: webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
> >Subject: Re: ABC Did Not Kill Twin Peaks

> >Traditionally, TV shows take some time off around Christmas and reruns
> >are aired.  With Twin Peaks, re-running previous shows doesn't make
> >sense for two reasons.  First, the show is serial, with each show
> >depending strongly on the previous; airing shows out of order would have
> >confused a lot of people.  
I completely disagree with the logic behind your comments.
Lots of serial shows are re-run.  My point was that re-running
a show like Twin Peaks would have done nothing but *HELP* the retain
viewers in the long run by giving people that had missed episodes a chance 
to "catch up."

> >Second, the entire first season has already
> >been rerun just prior to the start of the second season -- so rerunning
> >it once again seems excessive.
The *FIRST* season didn't need to be re-run obviously.  By Christmas,
there were more than 6 weeks worth from the second season to re-run.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <52802@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >Gee, when I mentioned the "All the King's Men" story by Kurt Vonnegut
> >appearing in a new production on Showtime, I didn't know the TP connection
> >would be quite so solid...
> >
> >Don Davis, our very own Major Briggs, plays a fairly principal role in that
> >story!  In fact, he plays a Major!  (The name was Vernon Sutherland, or
> >Vernor Sutherland, I think.)

I was going to post something about this but FIRST I checked to see if
someone else had got there first (hint hint hint, all you undergraduate
rocket scientists out there :-) and I saw Larry's article.  MONKEY HOUSE
played tonight -- spankingly well done, and the PEAKS connection is
downright creepy.  I think we would have to list Vonnegut as a primary
inspiration for the Windom Earle chess game idea, eh?  Adding Don Davis
in there was great.  I think Lynch and Frost missed a trick here: Davis
would have made a much more sensible and impressive "chess pro" than
Pete Martell -- not to mention that it would've given us more exposure
to him...

Do catch the Vonnegut if it comes around again.  Reminiscent of the
better old TWILIGHT ZONEs.

Hi all. Is there an archive site (or sites) for twin-peaks articles. 
We no longer get alt.tv.twin-peaks newsgroup at this site but I am still
interested in the series. 

Please email me any replies as I cant see any followups to this newsgroup.

-- fjv

This article is a little dated (by a few weeks) but I have
been unable to post (aka put my 2 cents in) since the most
recent episode.  

*********************************************
I had a dream! Here is my potential prediction for the scenario
in the final 2 hour episode.

First some background:
The ring in the forest is neither the white lodge or the black lodge
but is a portal to get there.  I seem to remember (feel free to
correct me) that Bob and Leland supposedly met 40 years ago;  this is
also the approximate time when the last Saturn/Jupiter event occurred.
That suggests that Leland may have actually met Bob, when he was
"non-spirit".  Bob was drawn to the portal at this time to be
"sucked into" or "walk into" the portal, just as Wyndom Earle is
being drawn now.

I can forsee that the entities of the Black Lodge select an evil doer,
like Wyndom now or Bob 40 years ago, and bring them to the portal to
give them a stint in the spiritual world.  After Wyndom attempts (and
perhaps succeeds with) his evil deeds at the Miss Twin Peaks contest,
a chase will occur where Coop and Harry finally catch up to WE
at the portal in the forest.  They glare at eachother, and in a
moment of great understanding and clarity, WE runs over the portal.
We observe in the same slow motion that accentuates many of the
TP's most horrific moments, that Bob takes over the silhouette of WE
and "in stride" now appears on the other side of the portal.

WE now takes over as the malevolent entity status that Bob once held;
this opens up great possibilities for any future carnations of TP.
The now carporial Bob is caught by Coop and Harry 
and is arrested for various murders
and other acts of mischief.

Perhaps the White Lodge has similar mechanics to the Black Lodge in that it
also draws an individual that will become it's next version of
a benevolent entity.  The benevolent entity now would be the giant;
and the person that will be called to replace him will be Major Briggs.

I expect that Annie will be saved, and perhaps the unlikely winner
of the Miss Twin Peaks Contest will be the Log Lady.  After all,
who better exemplifies respect and reverence for the environment
than someone who lives by the motto, "Take a Tree to Lunch".

Larry Cohen
cbnewsh!lhc
att!hrmso!lhc

**********************************************

It is not nature we observe, but how nature responds to our questions.

There is more between heaven and earth than the mind can conceive.

Hi!  This is to announce that TODAY May 16th is the first day of the first
ever 'International' Twin Peaks Festival titled
 
"Study of an Auture: David Lynch and Peaksology."
 
Below are the dates and the introductory letter that each person who attends 
will recieve.  Anyone is welcome to attend.  There will be featured guest 
speakers during the Saturday sessions and the final session.  If anyone in 
netland would like a degree, please send us YOUR dissertation on "What Will 
Happen on June 10, 1991", along with $1 to cover costs of mailing and making 
the degree to:
 
Iowa COOP
c/o Bob Cappel
Box 1871
Iowa City, IA   52244
Call: 319-337-4856 for more information
 
ALL SESSIONS TO BE HELD IN THE IOWA MEMORIAL UNION ON THE CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA IN IOWA CITY, IOWA.  
 
SESSIONS HELD IN THE INDIANA ROOM.
 
 
Hope to see some netters!!!!!!
 
By the way...some topics of discussion speakers include: Tibet, Avant Garde
film and David Lynch, and Twin Peaks place in TV History.
 
 
May 15th, 1991
 
Welcome everyone to the first ever "International" Twin Peaks Festival, 
titled "Study of an Auture: David Lynch and Peaksology."   
 
Hopefully this will be an opportunity for first time Peaks watchers to get 
involved in the show, and an intellectual exercise for the veteran Peaks fan.
 
Taking the spirit of Twin Peaks and running with it, we are going to offer 
degrees in Peaksology at the end of our Festival.  The requirements for a 
degree are simple.  Just attend at least 1/2 of all the sessions, and write 
up a 1 page "dissertation" on the topic "What will happen on June 10, 1991?"  
Persons who complete this will recieve a BA (BOB's Apprentice) in Peaksology. 
 Those who manage to get 5 or more predictions correct will recieve an MFA 
(Mark Frost's Advisor) in Peaksology and those with 10 or more correct 
predictions will recieve a PhD, a Peaksology Honorary Doctorate.  Hopefully, 
each one of these degrees will be personally autographed by either Frank Silva,
 Mark Frost or David Lynch.  These details, as of this writing are still 
being hammered out.  (All descisions for degrees will be at the judges 
discresion.)
 
We hope that each and every one of you will enjoy the show and our discussion 
sessions and guest speakers.  If you wish to join COOP or Operation: 
Pine Weasel, please contact Bob Cappel at any one of the sessions.  Also...
your comments are much appreciatied.
 
Enjoy!
 
Long Live Agent Cooper
 
Dr. Bob "BOB" Cappel, PhD
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
 
 
Thursday, May 16th       Season 1  Episodes 1 (pilot),2
6pm
Saturday, May 18th       Season 1 Episodes 3,4,5
1pm
Sunday, May 19th           Season 1 Episodes 6,7,8
1pm
Monday, May 20th         Season 2 Episodes 1,2
6pm
Saturday, June 1st           Season 2 Episodes  3,4
1pm
Sunday, June 2nd             Season 2 Episodes 5,6,7
6pm   
Monday, June 3rd              Season 2 Episodes 8,9,10
6pm
Tuesday, June 4th            Season 2 Episodes 11,12,13
6pm
Wednesday, June 5th          Season 2 Episodes  14,15,16
6pm
Thursday, June 6th           Season 2 Episodes  17,18,19
6pm
Friday, June 7th                Season 2 Episode 20
6pm
Saturday, June 8th          Best of Peaks, Eraserhead
6pm


--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||"You remind me today of a small
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||       mexican chihuahua...."
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Deputy Bureau Chief
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Gordon Cole

In article <JYM.91May15121612@remarque.berkeley.edu>, jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> > ooo Ah, but nobody in _Twin_Peaks_ has a British accent! :-)
> >     <_Jym_>
> > 
> > :::.-----.::: Jym Dyer :::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.______.:::
> > ::/  o o  \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| Damn |\::
> > ::\ \___/ /:: I put my panties on one leg at a time. ::| Fine |/::
> > :::`-----':::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::`------':::

Ah but what about that Dick...Fellow.
:) :)

In article <1991May15.204551.1598@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
>> >>I'm starting to lose hope now that the tshirts are reduced to $3.00.
>> >>There were two styles:  a "Who killed Laura Palmer?" shirt with the
>> >>graduation photo and a cherry pie with R & R diner logo.
> >
> >   How about the "Twin Peaks Sheriff Department" shirts?  What are those
> >going for?

There may have been "Twin Peaks Sheriff Department" shirts originally,
but when I noticed the shirts on sale, only the two styles I mentioned
were left.  I checked the tag--original price was $18, then $15, $10,
$5, $3.  Should I have held out for a buck?

The New Hong Kong Flu: _Twin Peaks_ Fever

Business Week. May 6, 1991. In Business This Week. Edited by Harris Collingwood

Some global village.  All of Hong Kong may have watched the Persian War unfold
live on CNN, and its arbitrageurs can execute a trans-Pacific foreign-exchange
swap in a nanosecond.  Yet hardly a soul knows who killed Laura Palmer.  Thanks
to Asia Broadcasting Ltd., which began airing _Twin Peaks_ on Apr. 4, the
Orient will find out soon.

Director David Lynch's quirky soap opera has transfixed Hong Kong.  Both the
Chinese and English-language press are given to endless speculation over the
murderous culprit.  And since one of the show's running gags concerns Special
FBI Agent Dale Cooper's fondness for home-baked goods, one Hong Kong paper has
thoughtfully provided recipes for cherry pies and jelly doughnuts.

Asia Broadcasting is hyping the show with mobile billboards.  On one side is
_Peaks_ star Joan Chen.  On the other is Bart Simpson.  Yup, he's in town, too. 
Tune in Friday nights, dude.

shawn@Aardvark.PDX.COM (Shawn Allen) writes:


> >Hello fellow peaks-freaks,

> >I found an interesting product on the shelf the other
> >day, Snoqualmie Pancakes.  A pancake mix that was made 
> >famous at the Snoqualmie Lodge (aka The Great Northern)
> >so it would seem that The Great Northern is known for 
> >more than it's d*** good coffee.  

> >This got me to wondering (and that is very dangerous) 
> >if there are any other products out there in consumer-land
> >that might be related to t-p ?  Has anybody else found anything
> >that might be of interest to us t-p fans?

   The "Snoqualmie Pancakes" and other items (e.g. Snoqualmie Jam) are 
NOT related to t-p.  The lodge was known (under it's former ownership  
several years ago) as the place to go when you want to really eat a 
fantastic *large* breakfast.  It was what I thought of as something 
that was eaten on a farm.  Everything fresh and in ample supply. 

   I haven't been back to the Lodge since it changed hands (probably 
because I now live on the east coast).  It makes for a long commute! 

   I remember a story of a Texan who wanted to take the Snoqualmie Lodge
menu with him.  He wanted to show the people back in Texas that there  
was a breakfastthat even a Texan couldn't finish! (Might be just an old  
story tho...)  

   Maybe Lynch chose it for the Food...   What 'da think? 

-- Pat ------------------------------> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov

In article <115600@cc.utah.edu> RCAPENER@cc.utah.edu writes:
> >Note:  Please send all replies to bnelson@cc.weber.edu  Thanx!

Sorry I just feel the need to post this.

> >I am doing a spoof of Twin Peaks for a class project and I need an 
> >example of the dialouge that agent Cooper does when he talks into his 
> >tape recorder, which in turn is sent to Dianne.  I saw example of this
> >a few weeks ago, but didn't extract that posting.

It's been so long... but let's see if the old memory is in working order....
this is off the top of my head so forgive any mistakes.

"Diane, it's 1:30 P.M.  Entering the town of Twin Peaks.  I've never
seen so many trees in my life!  As W.C. Fields would say, I'd rather
be here than Philadelphia.  Fifty-four degrees on a slightly overcast
day, weatherman said rain.  Anyone who can make that kind of money
being wrong fifty percent of the time... beats workin'.  Odometer
reads three thousand, gauge is on reserve--ridin' on fumes here, gotta
tank up when I get into town--remind me to tell you how much that is.
Lunch was four dollars and fifty-eight cents at the...  Lamplighter
Inn.  Tuna fish sandwich on whole wheat, slice of cherry pie, cuppa
coffee.  Damn good food.  Diane, if you ever get out this way, that
cherry pie is worth a stop.  OK.  Now it looks like I'll be meetin' up
with... Sheriff Harry S. Truman.  Shouldn't be too hard to remember
that... we'll go to the hospital and take a look at that girl who
crawled down those railroad tracks off the mountain.  Oh, and Diane,
I've got to ask what kind of trees these are.  They're really
somethin'!"

Ah, the simple beauty of that first episode... so long ago... I'll
hold it in my heart forever....

--
Rob Jellinghaus                 | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                  |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
{decwrl,uunet}!autodesk!robertj |    -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_

Can someone please tell my who killed Laura before Tuesday 21st
of May 1991, as that is when it is being revealed here. I want to know
beforehand if that is possible.

I specifically want to know

1. Who is the giant?
2. What is BOB ? Where did he come from? Why is he after certain
   people in ^TWIN PEAKS^ ?
3. Who is Mike - the onearmed man?
4. How did the murder occur?
5. What does Teresa Banks have to do with it?

And basically anything else about the revealing epidode that anyone can tell
me.

Please write soon.  

PS  Who is Annie?

Hi there. I thought you might like to know that there *is* a place called
Twin Peaks. It is a cattle station in the Kimberley region of Western Australia,
about 2500 miles from where I am now.

----
Steve Guest  (ssguest07@cc.curtin.edu.au)
Ph.  +61 9 296 1371 (ah)

I've noticed that this newsgroup is getting rather uncontroversial.
How about this for an interpretation of TP?

- TP is a load of sentimental old twaddle form a notoriously right-wing
director, David Lynch. Repeated references to the 1950's in the show
indicate a desire to return to the so-called good old days. Lynch is
suggesting that an unseen evil is undermining modern society and the family
structure (cf. BOB's effects on TP and the Palmers). Coop is the
avenging crusader, representing the "ideal" American, and is a
personification of Lynch himself (cf. the spice is the worm, the worm is
the spice - Dune). Times change - David "It's a pity that I might get
into trouble with the law if I shoot someone in my backyard" Lynch
shows a craving for the past - perhaps a reflection of American society?

This is just one way of looking at TP! Thoughts, suggestions?

Paul R. Grove.

iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk

> >one of their best slots.  Missing shows around Christmas was again a
> >result of the serial nature of Twin Peaks, not because ABC didn't like
> >the show; you can't go back and fill in with some of the best shows if
> >each show depends on the previous.  Finally, moving the show to Thrusday
> >nights at 9 didn't help much, as anyone might expect.

> >I think what really killed Twin Peaks was its serial nature -- just
> >didn't fit television's schedule -- and the ambivalent artistic

Then what about NBC's "LA Law"?  It also has a very serial nature, and
misses a week here and there -- something that is to be expected in 
such shows.  So you see a rerun once in a while.  Big deal.  Sure, a lot
of people will turn the channel when they realize that they've already
seen this episode, but such is the case with any TV show.


Dave

In article <1991May15.140046.12087@hri.com> igo@sparc27.hri.com (Frederick J.  
Igo) writes: 
> > I found _Welcome to Twin Peaks, Access Guide to the Town_ in a bookstore
> > in Acton Mass (Lauriats Books) last weekend.  Included are three maps.  
> > The first, inside the front cover shows all the downtown streets, including 
> > Lynch Road and Frost Avenue.  The second map, on the the back cover, shows 
> > Twin Peaks and the surrounding geography, including Pearl Lakes, Owl Cave, 
> > and Unguin's Field Observatory (UFO).  The third map, inside the back cover, 
> > shows the northwest corner of the US, from Seattle to Missoula, and from 
> > Calgary to Portland.  (Twin Peaks is indeed in the upper right corner of 
> > Washington state.)

Did you notice that the described locations in the text of the book
are frequently incorrect? For example, in the book, the Road House
is described as being on Highway J, but in the map, it is located
between Main and Highway 21. Another mistake made was that, although
in the show, the Road House and the Book House are clearly shown
to be not 30 yards from each other, the map shows them to be quite
aways apart.

> > Also recreated is the petroglyph from Owl Cave.  The petroglyph definitely
> > seems to match the map of Twin Peaks and its surrounding geography.  Black
> > Lake, the Columbia River, White Tail Falls, Pearl Lakes, and the 'Twin 
> > Peaks', all seem to match up. 

So, where's the Black Lodge Gate? I noticed that there are several
small runes inside circles strewn all over the map, and one of them is
encased inside what appears to be flames. I haven't checked my tape yet,
but these runes bear a striking resemblance to the ones on the
mysterious black box that Jones gave Catherine.

> > Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
> > Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300
> > 
> > "Whittlers should have at least seven fingers."
> >   -- The Joys of Whittling, _Welcome to Twin Peaks, Access Guide to the Town_

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <1991May13.152840.6458@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:

<I think what really killed Twin Peaks was its serial nature -- just
<didn't fit television's schedule -- and the ambivalent artistic
<committment of Lynch and Frost.  If they had stuck with the show, it
<would have continuted to get the approval of the critics, instead of
<losing even them in the first half of the second season. 

I think L&F stuck with the show rather well, the problem with
the critics was that virtually all of them were of the whining "I *HAVE* 
TO KNOW WHO KILLED LAURA PALMER *NOW*!!" variety.  Have you noticed how
one article to that effect in "Washington Post" (I believe) was *immediately*
followed by identical "complaints" in Time, Newsweek, TV Guide, what
have you.  
Of all episodes you pick the first half of the second season
as artistically weaker...?   Really.

Jan Bielawski

Computervision, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

There was, a while back, a list posted of all the actors, directors and 
writers that have wroked on Twin Peaks, and everything else they've done. 
Not only would I very much appreciate being sent a copy of those 
articles, but I would also like to make a small addition: Peggy Lipton 
was also in an episode of "The Virginian." I don't know which one.

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I dont understand all of this noise about tv viewers not able to
watch serial tv, not interested in maintaining continuity, etc.

I mean, look at shows like soap operas on for dozens of years, shows
like Dalls, Knotts Landing, Dynasty, etc., shows like Dr Who, and specials
like Brideshead Revisited.  I think that the public has shown
time and again that it WILL watch things that keep going and going
and going...

So what IS the problem with TP?  Two things that I know I have heard -
a large percentage of folks that I know have indicated that they were
waiting for reruns - I know that _I_ waited for the reruns of the first
season.  The second thing was that folks who DID try to watch 'didnt get
it' - it was too strange.  A continuing story line is fine if folks
understand who is who and what is going on and can anticipate what
is about to happen.
--
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In article <15848@darkstar.ucsc.edu> carolo@saturn.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
<In article <JYM.91May15121612@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
<>ooo Ah, but nobody in _Twin_Peaks_ has a British accent! :-)
<>    <_Jym_>
<>
<
<What about Dick Tremayne?

What about Thomas Eckardt?  He is supposed to be from South 
Africa though.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

In article <1991May15.180310.5585@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gmcguffi@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Guff) writes:
)In article <1991May14.075413.5238@panix.uucp> dfl@panix.uucp (Danny Lieberman) writes:
** deleted stuff **
)>a MacGuffin but an cute origin to a peculiar character. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^
)Sorry to dump this in a.t.tp, but my messages got bounced!  I just wanted to
)know the definition of "a MacGuffin."  My last name being McGufficke, I 
)wanted to see if there was a connection.  Again--my apologies to anyone
)who wasted time reading this!
)Guff


    Gee, Guff, I thought all the cinema-files knew that...
from the definitive, book on Hitchcock, "HITCHCOCK/TRUFFAUT", A.H. explains

... "it's the device, the gimmick, if you will, or the papers the spies are
after.  I'll tell you about it.  Most of Kipling's stories, as you know,
were set in India, and they dealt with the fighting between the natives and
the British forces on the Afghanistan border.  Many of them were spy stories,
and they were concerned with the efforts to steal the secret plans out of a
fortress.  The theft of secret documents was the original MacGuffin.  So the
"MacGuffin" is the term we use [in cinema] to cover all that sort of thing:
to steal plans or documents, or discover a secret, it doesn't matter what it
is.  And the logicians are wrong in trying to figure out the truth of a
MacGuffin, since it's beside the point.  The only thing that really matters
is that in the picture the plans, documents, or secrets must seem to be of
vital importance to the characters.  To me, the narrator, they're of no
importance whatever.  You may be wondering where the term originated.  It
might be a Scottish name, taken from a story about two men in a train. One
man says "What's that package up there in the baggage rack?" And the other
one answers "Oh, that's a MacGuffin." The first one asks "What's a MacGuffin?"
"Well", the other man says "it's an apparatus for trapping lions in the
Scottish Highlands."  The first man says "But there are no lions in the 
Scottish Highlands" and the other one answers "Well then, that's no MacGuffin!"
so you see that a MacGuffin is actually nothing at all. "

Hitchcock almost invariably had some MacGuffin, or device in every film from
the 1930s onward.  "Who killed Laura Palmer" was a MacGuffin, to bring this
story back into the present newsgroup...

Actually I thought EVERYBODY knew what a MacGuffin is/was !

                                                -- Danny L.


-- *********************************************************************** * Danny Lieberman cmcl2!panix!dfl * * PO Box 3131 "Here's Leland!" * * NYC 10008-3131 USA THIS SPACE FOR SALE *

  --NEW U--

I am a true Peaks fan. I was reading the older messages, hearing about the 
opinions that I was good for the first few shows but then got more complex
and not worth the time.  Well I tuned in after the show was still fresh and
yet I found it to be one of the best shows I have seen on TV in years.
(Right next to Max headroom).
I found the complextiy refreshing and it was one of the few shows that didd't
ult my inteligence.  I'm quite sad that it hasn't been on for a while.

Oh yea.. to whoever sent that last message.. howdo you know that Cooper sends
those tapes to Diane, or that Diane exists at all?

<SORRY..BUT I AS NEVER A GOOD TYPIST OR SPELLER>
        
         -Steven Robertson-

--  
Steven Robertson
UUCP: amdahl.com!kennel!270!Steven.Robertson
INTERNET: Steven.Robertson@f270.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
DISCLAIMER: Nobody in their right mind agrees with this.

I'd simply like to take this opportunity to mourn the impending death of
the t_p newsgroup as well as the end of my favorite show.  Like all things,
I suppose, the best is just too good to be true...or at least too good to
merit high Nielsen ratinngs.  For the record, reading the information and
the speculation included in this newsgroup has been a welcome addition to
my year.  I can't say I'll miss you all, as I don't know you, but I will
certainly hold in high regard the individual who posted the chronology of
TP, the bad puns and the conjecture about the spelling of Windom Earle and
the motives of BOB.  Jesus, I feel like I'm signing a yearbook.  For the
record, I'd like to announce that I believe that Pete Martell will be the
next victim of BOB's "inhabitat" and that Dale will survive.  Like the 
rest of you (though your numbers are dwindling) I'll be watching with you
on 10 June.
With love,
Mark Laskowski

ssguest07@cc.curtin.edu.au (Steve Guest) writes:

> >Hi there. I thought you might like to know that there *is* a place called
> >Twin Peaks. It is a cattle station in the Kimberley region of Western Australia,
> >about 2500 miles from where I am now.

Hi.  I'm currently living in Perth, Western Australia.  Next week on
Twin Peaks Laura's killer is revealed, which should show most of those familiar
with Twin Peaks how really far behind we are.

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW

According to Soap Opera Digest, which provides synopsis of the show,
(each synopsis is for two weeks worth of episodes) Leland will die.
Okay, so I know most of what is going to happen to that point.

Now, I've read some of what is going to happen in Twin Peaks from
reading the Net, but people seem to be discussing the show more than
they are clearly explaining what has been occurring.  I was wondering if
someone can provide plot outlines of each episode from this point, right
up to the point where the episodes have been shown.  

I've also been hearing that Twin Peaks is going to be cancelled in
America.  Does anyone have any further updates?

Also, on a non-related topic, I am interested in LA Law.  We're pretty
far behind in this as well, as in the last episode CJ kissed Abbey (the
episode where Rosalind Shays helped Leland against the Vice President of
the company who was trying to take over from its CEO).  Could anyone
provide an outline of what happens after that.

In article <2665@calmasd.Prime.COM> jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)  
writes:
> > In article <15848@darkstar.ucsc.edu> carolo@saturn.ucsc.edu (Carol  
Osterbrock) writes:
> > <In article <JYM.91May15121612@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu  
(Jym Dyer) writes:
> > <>ooo Ah, but nobody in _Twin_Peaks_ has a British accent! :-)
> > <>    <_Jym_>
> > <What about Dick Tremayne?
> > What about Thomas Eckardt?  He is supposed to be from South 
> > Africa though.

Eckhardt is from Hong Kong. He understands Afrikaans, but that doesn't
necessarily mean he is from South Africa.

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

It's a strange world we live in.  A strange world.  A show that's
dead in the US is loved by the rest of the world.

Do you find out who killed the girlie?  Depends.  Yes, the human 
responsible for performing the deed is revealed.  Can the show go
on afterwards?  Some would argue that the reason its ratings slid
was because the murderer was revealed.  But is that the end of the 
story?  Not on your life!  Makes my right hand quiver just to type
this!  I better go get some coffee and cherry pie and try to settle
down. 

Enjoy!

Brian      "Why do there have to be people like Frank?" - Blue Velvet

Hi,
I have recently become quite addicted to this marvellous series called Twin
Peaks. Unfortunately I saw only two or three out of the first 15 episodes :(
Here in Norway we have now come to the episode where the Giant warns Dale
about letting Annie take part in the Miss Twin Peaks contest, and Major
Briggs meets the 'Wyndom Earle/Bob'-horse in the woods :)

I have a couple of questions about this series:

I)  How many episodes has been made so far (total), and will there be more in the
    future?

II) Does anyone out there have a short outline of what happened in the first
    episodes? I am interested in knowing how and by whom Laura Palmer was killed,
    names of other murdered people (with short description of who they were), as
    well as a list of people in the series now [name of character, occupation,
    actors name].

If you can help me with any of these questions please email me at the adress 
below. Thanks in advance.

--

  Thomas 
  ohrbom@lise.unit.no

"I love melancholy. When there is nothing else there is Melancholy"

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF WE EVER FIND OUT WHO SHOT COOPER..
WE KNOW SO FAR THAT IT IS SOMEONE OF HEIGHT APPROX. 5'6'' TO 5'10''
MY ORIGINAL SUSPICION WAS THAT IT WAS THE KILLER OF LAURA...(WHICH WE IN
AUSTRALIA FIND OUT THIS TUESDAY)...BUT I THINK THAT LELAND WOULD ME MUCH TALLER 
THAN THIS ...AT LEAST 6 FOOT..


BRETT.

Has anyone out there seen Lynch's early animated
projects the Grandmother or the Alphabet--I believe
these are the titles? And do you know where I might
be able to a hold of them?

Sally--
-- Mulier iucunda intellegensque vult obviam || Sally A. Wilson convenire alicui sexus adversi qui lingua || sally@mica.berkeley.edu Latina utitur. Amabo--nihil loquelae || Latinae suillae!!!! || aka Francesca da Rimini