Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990

In article <6354@scolex.sco.COM> hannan@sco.COM (Rosebud...) writes:
> >
> > In article <873@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) oozed:
> > ==> 
> > ==> Leo:      Shot by Hank, looks like he died.  The Invitation to Love bit
> > ==>           again was apropos.
> >
> > i don't think leo DIES.  andy says, on the phone after cooper
> > goes to answer the door to "room service," leo's been shot.
> > (not killed).  i'm certain he would have said, "leo's dead,"
> > if he was.

I'm not so sure.  For their inquiry into Laura Palmer's case, it is
certainly important to know if Leo is alive or dead.  However, from
their point of view as law officers the fact that Leo was *shot* (as
opposed to died in a car accident or from a heart attack) is very
significant.  It means someone did the shooting, and it means more
investigations.  So it would make reasonable sense for a Andy to
choose to emphasize the deliberate nature of the death, as opposed to
the outcome alone.

Of course, it's still possible that Leo did not die.  But I don't
think the words used on the phone prove so.
--
Yigal Arens                                "Strange women lying in ponds
USC/ISI                                     distributing swords is no
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                                            government."

In article <25253@cs.yale.edu> jellinghaus-robert@yale.UUCP writes:
> >Um, you underestimate how ridiculous the writers could make things.  How
> >about this:  Nadine becomes an invalid, living at home... and then one
> >night Hank breaks in and holds Nadine hostage, leading to a confrontation
> >with Hank, Ed, Norma, and Nadine, in which all is revealed in front of
> >Nadine's horrified and uncomprehending eyes???
                                        ^^^^
                                        eye
> >Rob Jellinghaus

Mike Carlin

Maybe Special Agent Cooper was shot, by Audrey, with sleeping pellets,
so that she could carry him into bed, undress, and climb in with him,
and wait for him to wake up, breathfully watching him breathe
softly...

Okay...here it goes.....What happens if ABC didn't renew Twin Peaks?

How would the series end?  Leland is on his way to Terminate Jaque
who knows too much.  He grabs the pillow and proceeds to do the dirty
work.  Then....Agent Copper appears from behind a curtain with
Harry S. Truman and catch Leland in the act.  Cooper has it figured
out all along that it was indeed Leland and was just waiting for the 
appropriate bait to lure him to reveal himself.  Leland was
responsible for killing Laura and was the third person to have sex
with with her that night...nice neat and simple. Case Closed!


Mr.Pinky

Couldn't Deputy Andy be a suspect?

All of a sudden he's stopped dropping his gun and started
shooting DAMN straight.  Maybe his clumsiness and hysteria
is just an act?

He might be especially pissed off if he knows he's not the
father of Lucy's fetus...

-- Bob Weissman Internet: bob@omni.com UUCP: ...!{apple,pyramid,sgi,tekbspa,uunet}!omni!bob

In article <90144.113522ELE@psuvm.psu.edu> ELE@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeremy Crampton) writes:
}In article <11910@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
}>
}>} How many reasons do we have for losing sleep all summer long?
}>
}>}    3) What'll happen when Ben sees the "new girl"?
}>She'll be grounded for two weeks? :-)
}
}It's my guess that she scarpered before Ben comes through the door.
}Remember her seamstress (the log lady's sister?:)) left through another
}door upon hearing Ben knock.  Also it appeared that Audrey saw her
}father before he saw her...she drew her breathe in sharply while he
}was still talking lasciviously to what he thought was the new girl.
}It looked to me like she saw him in a mirror.

This was a wonderful scene. I loved the "seemstress". 

Audrey was tied up, in the same manner described by Albert for Laura. I'm
convinced at this point that Ben Horne is the murderer.

Also it's either him or Hank that shoots cooper. Probably him. And I'm not
too hopeful about Audrey's fate, other than she's probably the second most
popular character on the show so is probably safe.

-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) writes:

> >And of course, WHO SHOT COOPER?!

> >Also, does Kyle MacLachlan have a contract for next year?

> >How is he going to survive at least 4 shots right to the chest.  Of course,
> >knowing Coop, he may have had a flak jacket on.


One thing I noticed when Cooper was shot was that there was NO blood.
I think it would be safe to assume he did have a bullet proof vest or
something similiar on.

-Ray
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In article <0aKyOly00WBLI0voUc@andrew.cmu.edu> bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) writes:
> >Perhaps I'm wrong, but a few things seem obvious after the
> >"cliffhanger" last night:
> >
> >1.  Agent Cooper is alive.  It's not obvious which cheap trick will be
> >used to justify this -- probably a bullet proof vest.  Reasoning:  The
> >show is a goner without him.

Close-up of Cooper's chest, three shots, no blood...  I don't see anything 
"cheap" about Cooper wearing a vest while undercover on a murder case.

> >2.  Jacques is probably dead.

And Leo.  And Bernard.  If any of them are the killers, Cooper will spend
the next season listening to tapes of Laura and a myna bird. ==> The killer
is someone else (Leland or a "Flesh World" reader).

> >Conjectures:
> >
> >1.  The man who beat up Jacoby is the same man who shot Cooper.  At
> >least, the clothing looked the same.  

We saw the full body of Jacoby's attacker.  (After one viewing) he looked
too heavy set to be Bobby; he looked more like Leland to me than any other 
character.  One problem: why would Leland bring a ski mask if he were just 
following Madeleine around?

We never see the full body of Cooper's attacker.  I'm not a gun expert, but
the gun looked very distinctive, not at all like Shelly's or Catherine's.
Also, look at the shooter's hand.  It looked small to me, like a woman's,
and was gloved, which people have noted is often used to hide gender.  Last,
Cooper appeared to recognize the person at the door.

My guess is Josie.  Think of the conversation with Hank: "You want a lot
for your money; I want a lot for my time."  I take this to mean his time in
jail is a big sacrifice for $90,000 and he wants Josie to do something for
him to make up the "difference".  That is to kill Cooper, who he is afraid
will figure it out and send him back to jail. Hank also says (not verbatim)
"Now what if you discover that there are circumstances [an FBI agent nosing
around on another case] that could result in ... 20 years being snatched
away from you."  He must really have something on Josie to blackmail her
into killing somebody!

> >Finally, a question: [...] if all Ben wants is the land, why does he
> >need to conspire with Josie in some elaborate plot to get it?
> >If she's willing to do all this, why wouldn't she just sell it
> >to him? 

Ben wants the land for housing developments; the mill has no value to him.
The mill looks to be very large and worth many $millions.  Ben told
Catherine that Josie hasn't accepted his price.  I think they are conspiring
so Josie can get the insurance money for the mill *and* Ben's money for
the land.

Ben had Catherine thinking they were torching the mill to make it look like
Josie was commiting insurance fraud.  *Really* he and Josie are conspiring 
to get the insurance company to pay Josie for the mill, to "sweeten" the
deal for Josie (Ben pays for the land, Insurance pays for the mill).  

Ben told Leo to make it *look* like arson.  For Josie to get the
insurance money, the arson must be blamed on someone else.  Who do they
intend to frame, and how?  My only guess is they frame Catherine, by making
it look like she has been extorting money from the mill (proved by showing
the two sets of books) and make it look like she set the blaze to hide the
evidence.  To this end, they call Catherine just before the blaze is set,
and tell her the books are hidden in the mill; they know she will go there
to look for it (in the very room fire investigators will discover the fire
started).  This will establishe her presence at the scene.   Then they go 
to the police and say "Look what we found!  She was extorting money!  
Musta set the fire to hide the evidence!"  If Catherine happens to die in
the fire, so much the better--she can't defend herself.

If this is how it went down, Leo blew it when he decided to burn up Shelly
too.  Shelly can testify Catherine didn't set the fire.  Leo didn't know Ben
was going to call Catherine and have her show up at the arson scene!
-- Internet: bmay@chips.com | "I can't understand a word you're saying-- Phonenet: 408-434-0601 x4550 | you've got a thing in your mouth"

Here's where you need an open mind...

Okay, let's pretend. Let's pretend that the show's creators have a little
more imagination than Cooper's wearing a flak jacket. Follow me, now, my
children, as we descend into the magical land of "What If"...

It's something to think about, anyway. Here I go:

Cooper has been shot. He is not wearing his bullet proof vest (shame on
him). Dying, he is rushed to the hospital. While he lies in a coma, we
dive into his unconscious/subconscious once more, as he has one of those
notorious "near death" experiences. He drifts away from his body. He
enters a long, dark tunnel. There's no light at the end, but several
people are sitting in chairs, awaiting their turns to go in:

Nadine is there. Cooper talks to her. She is going to greener pastures,
after all. She does, however, have a twin cousin (ala Cooper's dream) who
turns out to be Blackie, the OEJ madame (If any of you have absolute
proof that Wendy Robey does not play BOTH Nadine and Blackie, speak up!).
Cooper doesn't get much out of this and moves on.

Jacques gets out of his chair and says, "they're calling for me. They're
taking me away. I have nothing more to say to you, Agent Cooper." So Coop
moves on.

Now things get interesting. He begins to have conversations with the
other patients interned in the hospital in the near-death world. He talks
to Jacoby. He discovers Lydecker. Leo gives him something to think about.

In article <1990May24.182207.26259@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> guest@mango.CES.CWRU.Edu (Guest User) writes:
> >Here's a theory, based on what me and a few friends worked out...
...
> >
> >Fifth:  As a lawyer, Leland may well have known the details of Teresa Banks'
> >murder the year before, even down to the letter under the fingernail.

HUH?  The case is unsolved -> it's never been prosecuted -> what would ANY 
lawyer, let alone one in the opposite end of the state who probably special-
izes in corporate law anyway, know about it?
...
> >
> >So, what do y'all think?
> >
Better luck with school...
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I've just discovered the ttwin peaks group here on the net in the past few days.
I've skimmed thru a bunch of the letteres trying to get up to date and I
noticed that you are all looking for video tapes of all of the shows.
Perhaps the easiest solution to this problem is to bombard ABC with
letteres pleading for them to rerun the episodes at some point
b4 fall.  I'm sure quite a few good points could be brought up
in an effort to persuade them.  There's nothin on in the summer anyway.
(I can believe I'm talkin about ASKING for reruns!)

Just a thought...

I'm not very good at posting yet, so forgive me if you've
read this.

Well, it looks like the Network Execs got to the show
before the new season.  The final episode was nothing more than a 
regurgitated Dallas episode dipped in pine oil.  It had none of the
character depth, subtle irony, intelligent dialogue, or Lynchian mood
of any of the previous episodes.  And please don't insult my intelligence
with a series of ridiculous cliffhangers to end the season.  That's not 
why I watch the show and is certainly not why I will continue to watch 
the show.

Other observations:

Cooper was still wearing a bulletproof vest as part of his
undercover disguise.  If he isn't there next near, I won't
be either.

The dialogue between Cooper and Jaques was as anti-Peakedly
pedestrian.

The partial reunion between Pete and Catherine was lame,
unbelievable, and sophmoric. (Those who contend that it
is only another one of the Lynchian parodies should 
take another look.  It didn't come off as a parody)

Three deaths (?), one heart attack, and a DAMNED Stunned
Cooper in one episode.  Keep this up and there will be no
one left in Twin Peaks.

What's with the Hitchcock camera angles?

Where did all those backup cops come from?

This is what happens when you try to put too much plot into the
44 minute slot.  All the intricate character depth and stylings are lost
to rapid fire dialogue and scene swapping.  The contents of this episode 
could easily have been stretched out for an entire season by Lynch.


WRT

"Lets take a dip into our respective gene pools"
"I own a garage.....I'm an Oral surgeon"

In article <13623@venera.UUCP>, arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes...

} I'm not so sure.  For their inquiry into Laura Palmer's case, it is
} certainly important to know if Leo is alive or dead.  However, from
} their point of view as law officers the fact that Leo was *shot* (as
} opposed to died in a car accident or from a heart attack) is very
} significant.  It means someone did the shooting, and it means more
} investigations.  So it would make reasonable sense for a Andy to
} choose to emphasize the deliberate nature of the death, as opposed to
} the outcome alone.

I might agree with you if what Andy said was "Leo's dead," but "Leo's
been killed," would imply your "deliberate nature of the death". Of
course, we're talking about the Twin Peaks version of Barney Fife here
(though Andy isn't quite *that* bad), so it's not clear that he'd be
that careful in his phraseology. Another thing to consider is that Leo
might not be dead at that particular moment, but he still could end up
DOA.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <9926@yoda.chips.com> bmay@yoda.UUCP (Brad May) writes:
> >We saw the full body of Jacoby's attacker.  (After one viewing) he looked
> >too heavy set to be Bobby; he looked more like Leland to me than any other 
> >character.  One problem: why would Leland bring a ski mask if he were just 
> >following Madeleine around?

I like Leland for the Jacoby attack too.  The ski mask is actually
perfect, because he probably DOESN'T want the kids to recognize him.
Leland was sitting in the darkened living room when Maddy went out to
pose as Laura, so he could easily have followed.  He is obviously
deranged over Laura's death and of course we know he can kill quite
deliberately.  (note the tape around Jacques' wrists beforehand -- not
twine by the way!)  

Leo, on the other hand, seems very cold blooded and "businesslike" about
his attacks -- they're not random.  (I used to think this meant he
couldn't have killed Laura, but when I heard him tell Shelly "YOU BROKE
MY HEART!" I thought about what he might have done if Laura scorned
him.)  At any rate Jacoby is nothing to him -- and nothing to Hank.  At
this point, adding "...that we know of" seems fruitless; we already have
enough motivation floating around.

It's an interesting question whether Jacques' death will be investigated
as a homicide or not.  It should be, but will anyone care to check?  The
Jacoby attack will be.  Leland has a known motive in each case, and no
alibi, so he's in trouble.
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In article <1990May24.174906.18924@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes...

}}} In article <0aKyOly00WBLI0voUc@andrew.cmu.edu> bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) writes:
}}} Nadine could well be dead.  Reasoning:  She wasn't that interesting
}}} a character to begin with.  With her out of the way, the interaction
}}} between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting.

} Nadine's character has been converted from the curtain-hanging monster
} who keeps Ed from his true love to a frightened little girl who can't
} win for losing.

} While Ed may have a dilemma, the writers don't. Ed can't be one of the
} "good guys" and still go after Norma.

I agree. I've grown to *like* the character of Nadine, though mostly out
of sympathy for her. I also think that Ed's character grew by leaps and
bounds when his affections drifted back to Nadine. Before that, he was
simply another "cheating" character, and the only thing that made him a
good guy was that he helped the police out on occasions. I think Ed feels
an obligation to take care of Nadine, but I also think he realizes that
he still does love her. He and Norma could've kept up their illicit
relationship (though with Hank around that would be very dangerous), but
Ed decided they should cool it for a while because of Nadine.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990May24.030659.11861@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) writes:
> >ACK!!!!!
> >And of course, WHO SHOT COOPER?!
 Conjecture: Killer Bob!  He's too good a character (judging from the dream)
 not to figure in the plot.
> >Will Pete, Catherine, and Shelley live?  Will Leo live?
 I'll guess that Shelly & Catherine go into hiding, and try to kill off
 Leo (assuming he survived the attack by Hank).  Bobby had his chance to
 polish off Leo but he ran away (wimp).  Maybe Leo's dead but the law will
 pretend he's alive in order to flush out Hank.
> >Let's hear some theories folks!
 It may well have been Leland who stomped Jacoby (certainly wasn't designed
to kill him).  I'd have to guess it was Killer Bob who shot Cooper, but I
can't believe he'd fall for the old kevlar-in-the-tuxedo-shirt trick.  No
blood?  Gimme a break.  Bob will probably go after Hank next, as (theorizing)
directed by Ben Horne, who knew the hotel was empty of guests.
 Of course, Ben will be surprised when he sees the Queen of Diamonds; he
can't trust her, so he'll think up something 'special' for her.  Fortunately,
Audrey left a note for Cooper, so he'll go back to One-Eyed Jax to rescue
her (that should be good for a few episodes :-) ).
 Nobody's gonna fall for Bobby's setup of James.  James is a Bookhouse boy
and if he swears Books Honour that the coke wasn't his, well, that's good
enough for me.
 Do you suppose the upcoming episodes are scripted yet, or will Lynch/Frost
just read alt.tv.t-p and make up something to confound us all?
 Who's got the net.t-p.board.game ready??
--Jim

In article <1943@east.East.Sun.COM>, msmiller@gonzoville.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Miller) writes...

}} 1.  The man who beat up Jacoby is the same man who shot Cooper.  At
}} least, the clothing looked the same.  Also, he's the only one who's
}} movements we know so little about.

} No. I think the clothing was a ruse to get everyone thinking Leland went
} after Cooper next. A few problems with this. One is motive, which he ain't
} got one of. Another is that the attack on Jacoby and Renault were both
} physical assaults instead of using firearms. I think Leland pounded Jacoby,
} mainly because of the way that attacker moved which was real awkward. But
} I don't think Leland then went after Cooper. This is probably a whole new
} plot line.

OK, we have three Mystery Men here:

(1) The guy who beat up Jacoby.
(2) The guy who killed Jacques. (Who isn't really a Mystery Man.)
(3) The guy who shot Cooper.

Are they all Leland Palmer?  Doubtful. MM#1 wore a ski mask, MM#2 didn't,
and we don't know about MM#3, though I suspect that he didn't, because
Frost kept the camera shot at waist level. So, if Leland beat up Jacoby,
why did he feel a need to wear a ski mask for that, or *not* feel a need
to wear one at the hospital?

As has already been pointed out, MM#1 and MM#2 didn't use a gun. If MM#3
was either of the other two, why didn't he use a gun in those instances?
The gun *was* necessary in the third instance, as it was the only "sure"
way to ace the Coop. The only reason he might not have chosen to use a gun
on Jacoby was because he didn't plan on killing him. But, if it was Leland,
and his motives for attacking Jacoby were as some people have suggested,
one would think that he wouldn't be content with grievous bodily harm.
He was certainly cold-blooded enough to kill Jacques without a second
thought.

}} 3.  Leland knew Laura worked at One-Eyed Jack's. He allowed her to
}} continue to do so, thus the guilt he now bears. This would also explain
}} how he knew that Jacques was the guy he was looking for in the
}} hospital. I doubt Leland had sex with Laura, though you never know.

} Well, there were only two people in the hostpital, Jacques and Jacoby.

What?  Only two people in the hospital?  Doubtful. For one thing, there
was also Ronnette.

} Leland already dealt with Jacoby and Jacques was shot, so it was a pretty
} easy guess.

In watching the episode a second time, I noticed that after Leland hit
the fire alarm, a policeman walked away from Jacques' door, which is how
Leland knew what room to check out. He might not otherwise have known
Jacques from a hole in the wall.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <MaL0xF600jukMwu3hf@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes...

} 1) Who shot Cooper?
} I think it's the Chinese guy who checked in to the hotel last episode. 
} I think he was brought to Twin Peaks by Josie to deal with Cooper and
} maybe Hank.

It's been mentioned in a newspaper article that this man is a detective.

}    8.5) Did Montana die?  ;-)
} Sure is funny how that's the only show they ever watch in Twin Peaks,
} isn't it -- and it's on 24 hours a day.

Well, in this instance, it was clear that it was a videotape, rather than
a real-time broadcast. You can see the VCR on top of the tv going.

}    14) Who killed Laura?
} I still think Josie -- somehow, I don't know how.  And I think she made
} the murder resemble the murder of Teresa Banks to mislead the police.

Except that the details of the Banks murder weren't known to the public,
so Josie couldn't have known what to do to make Laura's murder resemble
the Banks murder. Even Harry the Sheriff didn't know about it when Coop
extracted the letter from under Laura's nail.

}    17) Is Josie in over her head with Hank?
} Not with a hired killer from Hong Kong staying at the Great Northern she
} isn't.  Hank's in over his head with Josie.

Assuming that the man *is* a hired killer and not a detective on Josie's
trail.

} Who attacked Jacoby in the park?

} I think this is the person who killed Laura -- maybe Ninja Josie?

Ninjas were Japanese, not Chinese. And if Josie was a ninja (or a Chinese
equivalent), she would hardly have needed to get Hank to do her dirty
work for her vis a vis Andrew.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <2269@borabora.omni.com>, bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman) writes...

} Couldn't Deputy Andy be a suspect? All of a sudden he's stopped
} dropping his gun and started shooting DAMN straight. Maybe his
} clumsiness and hysteria is just an act? He might be especially
} pissed off if he knows he's not the father of Lucy's fetus...

Except that his "heroics" happened *before* he found out Lucy was
pregnant. No doubt though he was pissed at Lucy's cold shoulder.
I think he steadiness and accuracy at the right moment was merely
because he *was* pissed at Lucy and thus didn't have a chance to be
nervous.

Maybe he was imagining that he was shooting at Lucy. :-)

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <14279@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, hardarso@unc.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) writes...

} Has anyone seen a higher purpose for putting the Icelandic group in the
} episodes? (They were Icelandic, The songs sung were: Oxar vid ana &
} Nu er frost a froni). My only theory is: There is this Icelandic guy
} named Sigurjon Sighvatsson who is somehow linked to the production of
} these shows. Maybe it's his way of making his presence known, a kind of
} Hitchcock touch. The fact that Icelanders are in an American town to
} make investments is a good one, it so happens that a lot of Icelandic
} contemporary movies and stories are about Americans doing the same thing
} over there. Icelanders on the other hand do *not* have money to spend. 

Possible, but I think not. Recall that in the pilot, they were trying to
sell Ghostwood to a bunch of Norwegian investors, who skipped out when
they heard about Laura's death. Eventually, Jerry scared up some Icelandic
investors. Perhaps he and Ben simply have a thing about Nordic types.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990May24.190004.29226@uokmax.uucp>, gene@uokmax.uucp (Gene Johannsen) writes...

} Alright, time for more mindless speculation.

Mindless is right... :-)

} The mysterious shooter of Cooper is.....Dianne!

} It was stated earlier that we would see parts of Dianne in the final episode.

No, it was stated by Mark Frost on DONAHUE that we'd see "parts of" Diane
*next year*, not in the last episode.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <136203@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> mrm@puffin.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne 'R' Moi) writes:
> >Maybe Special Agent Cooper was shot, by Audrey, with sleeping pellets,
> >so that she could carry him into bed, undress, and climb in with him,
> >and wait for him to wake up, breathfully watching him breathe
> >softly...

I really wished this was true.  

What would S.A. Cooper think of the Queen of diamonds sewed upon her
"grapefruit"?  I don't think that we will find out who shot S.A. Cooper
for some time.  

Did anyone else notice that Dr. Jacoby saw who hit him and caused the Heart-
attack?  I looked at the video tape and saw that the mugger removed his ski
mask.  Who could it be?  Leland Palmer?

Kelley ``Bud'' McDonald
.



'

In article <3aePJ7w162w@darkside.com>, user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes...

} (If any of you have absolute proof that Wendy Robey does not play
} BOTH Nadine and Blackie, speak up!).

That depends on how absolute you want it. Victoria Catlin's name appears
in the Guest-Star list in each of the three episodes that Blackie appears
in (but not in any of the episodes that Blackie does not appear in). And,
there is no other character that shows up in those three episodes and no
other. Logic dictates that Victoria Catlin is the actor playing Blackie.

This is completely aside from the fact that the two look nothing alike.

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In article <25447@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Christopher Foster) writes...

} Did anyone notice how *different* Laura's last tape to Jacoby sounded
} when Bobby, Donna and Madeline listened to it, as compared to how it
} sounded when Jacoby was listening to it with the headphones?

I noticed it, though I might not have if that very morning I hadn't
transcribed the original version per someone's request.

Not only is the intonation different, but there are whole sentences
in the first version missing from the later version, and the last
sentence, about the "mystery man" was different.

As soon as I have the new version transcribed, I'll post the differences.

} This is probably as much a clue as the leather-to-gold necklace
} screw-up.

Clue or screw-up?

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In article <873@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
> > Cooper:   He's gotta be alive, folks.  He didn't bleed.  I heard three shots,
> >           saw two holes, and heard a body fall, but no blood.  Dollars to
> >           donuts, I'd bet our Special Agent wears a flak jacket.  Of course,
> >           the 64,000 huckleberry question is:  Who did it?  Looks like Leland.
> >           Of course, there could be more than one pair of black gloves and
> >           another black overcoat in Twin Peaks.  Still, you gotta admit that
> >           they really *want* you to think that it was Leland.  Perhaps this
> >           is a good reason to think that it wasn't.  Maybe the Asian gentleman
> >           who checked into the Great Northern last episode.
> > 
Here is my thoughts on who shot Cooper.



Andy.  Lucy's baby isn't his and he figures its Cooper's.  He 
simply lost it.

Also, Leland killed Laura.  Perhaps by accident, perhaps not.

Loved the comparison of Leo's reaction to being shot and that of
the TV show's actor being shot.

Can't wait til the fall show starts.

Sharon Blanton

In article <1990May24.183323.19149@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave
Mack) writes:

>> >> I do like the way that the characters have changed.  Catherine from scheming
>> >> bitch to somewhat pathetic victim; 

> > You are kidding, right?
> >
> > Try "Catherine from scheming bitch to scheming bitch conning Pete "The
> > Poodle" Martell, the one person in the whole world she's sure isn't trying
> > to kill her, into helping her find the cooked book."
> >
> > Watch the way she imperiously orders Pete out of the Library when
> > Hank calls. Same old Catherine.

Not to mention her wonderful series of expressions (rolling her eyes, and the
like) as she embraces Pete after he agrees to help her find the book.  If that 
wasn't bitchy then I don't know what is....

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
                       "The sweetest expression...."

In article <1990May24.164611.18657@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave
Mack) writes (discussing who shot Cooper):

> > 2) Leland Palmer. Even more unlikely. What's his motive? The only
> >    conceivable reason to suspect Leland is the black gloves. But
> >    where would Leland get a silenced automatic? And if he had it
> >    before, why wouldn't he use it on Jacques? Surely, no one
> >    these days believes that you can smother someone with a pillow
> >    and have it be mistaken for a natural death?

If Leland was somehow involved in Laura's death, he has a damn good motive
for trying to kill Cooper: Cooper is getting *awfully* close to figuring out
who killed Laura.  Without Cooper around, Leland's chances of getting away
with murder are substantially improved (especially with Jacques gone).  As to
why Leland wouldn't have used his gun to kill Jacques -- very simple.  He 
didn't NEED to.  The pillow did the job, and it's a lot harder to trace a 
pillow than it is a gun and bullets.

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
           "I don't know if you're a detective or a pervert...."
           "Well, that's for me to know and you to find out...."

I buy TV guide. I wait for Thursday. I turn on TV, adjust set to perfection,
dim lights and open a bottle of wine. I find crud on TV. Turns out they
moved the last episode. Turns out no-one I know taped it. This isn't fair, 
it's not fair. I think I'll sue the network.
Kari Hardarson
217 Jackson Circle
27514 Chapel Hill, NC

While it has been less and less obvious over the episodes, Leland has been
in business with Ben Horne for a while. Now Ben uses OEJ for doing deals, but
obviously is not concerned about the girls hired to work there. Therefore,
Leland might also show up occasionally and accidentally learn that Laura has
turned pro.

He also would learn that Jacques is involved with the OEJ operation.

So, putting 2 + 2 together, Leland begins to follow his daughter, finds that
she is involved with Jacques, and - after Laura's death - resolves to bring
her corruptors to final justice. Therefore he kills a helpless Jacques.

So who is next on his list? Leo - who will also likely be helpless in the
hospital? Ronette? Lydecker?

Just a theory for a subplot.

In article <10823@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, cg108dcz@icogsci4.ucsd.edu
(Tummy-Tipperware) writes:
> > appropriate bait to lure him to reveal himself.  Leland was
> > responsible for killing Laura and was the third person to have sex
> > with with her that night...nice neat and simple. Case Closed!
> > 
> > 
> > Mr.Pinky

Can anybody who has watched the videos several times describe the
Leland's goings-on in the first episode?  Like, was there anything
interesting in his conversations with Ben Horne, and what were
his reactions to hearing about Laura's death?

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* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)                           *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

  Hi guys...  Unfortunately, not having much spare time, I
don't watch much television, and thus haven't followed Twin
Peaks.  However, I have a friend (who doesn't have net access)
who asked me to post the following:

  There were apparently two slightly different season finales;
the American one did not reveal who killed Laura Palmer, but
apparently the other one did.

  So; can anyone tell me who *did* kill her and why?  Please
respond via email; I don't read this newsgroup.

  Thanks!

    -- Lewis R. Jansen, N2KNVlrj@helios.tn.cornell.edu
    LASSP/LNS Systems Manager     (607) 255-6065

    "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

Perhaps the mass of (near) fatalities is a negotiation ploy. Assume
Lynch has to reach salary figures on renewal series.  Putting a 
character in an ambiguous life/death situation makes it easy to
write them out.  At least Shakespeare waited to the end to 
plaster the cast.

First, a few disgruntled comments:

From: msmiller@gonzoville.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Miller)

> >Frankly, I felt ripped off. With all the other things they left
> >hanging, it would at least have been nice to get closure on the murder.
> >Now Leo and Jacques are dead, which is cute in that Cooper has no way to
> >get any information to close this thing if they are to be the killers.
> >Cooper will have to start all over - once he picks the lead out of his vest.
> >Which I also thought was pretty tacky. They'd done so well up to the last
> >episode in avoiding the standard soap-opera devices. Then they blow it.

> >Well, now we have to wait all summer. I feel really cheated.


From: bart@alice.UUCP (Bart N. Locanthi)

> >jerking us around is what the entire last episode was about.  we learned
> >nearly nothing new, large fractions of the cast are in peril pending
> >the actors' contract renewals, and anyway the euro version pins the
> >blame on an as-yet-unseen character who could easily be the skulker
> >in the park.

> >excellence/creativity/quality in tv notwithstanding, this is an utterly
> >mundane and unoriginal way to end a season, straight from the people who
> >brought you dallas/dynasty/falcon crest/knots landing.


From: wrt@lzaz.ATT.COM (Rob Tymchyshyn)

> >Well, it looks like the Network Execs got to the show
> >before the new season.  The final episode was nothing more than a 
> >regurgitated Dallas episode dipped in pine oil.  It had none of the
> >character depth, subtle irony, intelligent dialogue, or Lynchian mood
> >of any of the previous episodes.  And please don't insult my intelligence
> >with a series of ridiculous cliffhangers to end the season.  That's not 
> >why I watch the show and is certainly not why I will continue to watch 
> >the show.

---

The TP segment on 'PrimeTime Live' last night followed the same theme for
fan reaction.  They showed people throwing things at the TV as the credits
rolled after Cooper was shot.

A NPR spot this morning echoed this.  A TV reviewer from Fort Worth said that
he felt that the producers had failed to live up to their bargain with the
viewers by not revealing Laura's killer, and by putting a pedestrian,
cliff-hanger, ending on the series.

I felt cheated also.  I think that the episode was a cop-out.  Some of
these plotlines, especially Laura's killer, could have been resolved
without making next season seem any less appealing.

The cynical side of me says that they didn't solve Laura's murder 
because they had put in *too* many artful touches that just wouldn't
allow any logical adding up of clues to find a murderer.

So, what does the net.world think ?  Feel cheated ?  Happy to be
puzzled all summer ?  Never watching again ?  Glad that Laura
bought it, and hoping everyone else does ?  

Darryl Cate

cate@csc.ti.com                    "You've got a thing in your mouth"

In article <11947@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
- In article <2269@borabora.omni.com>, bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman) writes...
- 
- } Couldn't Deputy Andy be a suspect? All of a sudden he's stopped
- } dropping his gun and started shooting DAMN straight. Maybe his
- } clumsiness and hysteria is just an act? He might be especially
- } pissed off if he knows he's not the father of Lucy's fetus...
- 
- Except that his "heroics" happened *before* he found out Lucy was
- pregnant. No doubt though he was pissed at Lucy's cold shoulder.
- I think he steadiness and accuracy at the right moment was merely
- because he *was* pissed at Lucy and thus didn't have a chance to be
- nervous.

Whoops, what I meant was, "maybe he shot Cooper after getting pissed off
at Lucy", NOT "maybe he saved Truman after getting pissed off at Lucy."

Sorry for the confusion.

-- Bob Weissman Internet: bob@omni.com UUCP: ...!{apple,pyramid,sgi,tekbspa,uunet}!omni!bob

In article <1000@lzaz.ATT.COM> wrt@lzaz.ATT.COM (Rob Tymchyshyn) writes:
> > [...]
> >Other observations:
> > [...]
> >Where did all those backup cops come from?

You don't think that in a town of ~50,000 people, Truman, Hawk, and Andy are
the only police, do you?  They would get lost wandering that big police
station :-).  Since Cooper was bugged, they had plenty of time to call
reinforcements before Jaques could leave the bar and drive across the border
to the plant.
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In article <9926@yoda.chips.com>, bmay@yoda.chips.com (bmay) writes:
> > 
> > We saw the full body of Jacoby's attacker.  (After one viewing) he looked
> > too heavy set to be Bobby; he looked more like Leland to me than any other 
> > character.  One problem: why would Leland bring a ski mask if he were just 
> > following Madeleine around?

I think we're just beginning to see more of Leland's
psychosis -- stalking the woods at night is nothing new
to him, and he's used that all-black garb for camouflage
before.

The argument that Leland killed Laura is looking more
convincing, though I've had to abandon the notion that
he simply went overboard on adoring her.  I'll bet Leland
will turn out out to some sort of VERY perverted psychopath,
perhaps with multiple personalities.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

Yet another movie reference:  in the final (US) episode, Bobby tips off the
law officers about the cocaine in James' gas tank by sayin that James is an
"easy rider."  In _Easy Rider_, the bikers smuggled cocaine by carrying it
in their gas tanks.  

(Further, _Easy Rider_ starred and (I believe) was directed by Dennis Hopper,
the baddy from Lynch's _Blue Velvet_.)

--Sean

Sean W. Smithsean.smith@theory.cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer ScienceKA3EEX
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213 3890on-on!

.-.
|I|'ve been having cherry pie fests every Thursday night.  We've
`-' been having some *damn* good black coffee as well, but we
    haven't brought any in from Hawaii (for Jacoby's benefit).
.-.
|A|nd I'm not the only one.  Cherry pies get scarce at the local
`-' supermarkets every Thursday night!
    <_Jym_>

In article <laura?laura?dontgothere.19283@tpclinic.vet.org> waldo@tpclinic.vet.ORG (Bob Lydecker) writes:
> >   The first six episodes of "Twin Peaks" have been shown on Thursday
> >nights, and the switch to Wednesday, despite extensive publicity by ABC,
> >has left some viewers confused.
...the wednesdays switch was obvious for numerology students.....


...so that the season could end on 5/23 at 23h00.....


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I think the last episode narrowed down the range of suspects if we make
two assumptions:
The person who shot Cooper is the muderer of Laura Palmer,
or closely associated with the murderer.

The person who dug up the locket is also the murderer.
I'm not going to justify these assumptions except to say that they make
the series seem more fair to me.  Otherwise they're introducing a
completely extraneous plot.

At the end of the last episode, most of the major characters are either
dead, dying, in the hospital, or otherwise occupied.  E.g., Ben Horne's
with his daughter; Jacques and Leo are dead, or nearly so; Jacoby's in
the hospital; Catherine, Pete, and Shelley are in the sawmill, etc.  Not
many people are left to attack Cooper.

In fact, the only people who could pull the trigger are:

Josie Packard (or the Chinese detective -- assuming that rumor is
correct -- also staying in the hotel).

Leland Palmer.

The Log Lady.

Donna Hayward.

Madeline Ferguson.

Doc Will Hayward.

Bobby Briggs.

If we intersect this set with the people who may have dug up the locket
(ignoring the evidence that Jacoby did it) we get Josie Packard, Leland
Palmer, and Doc Will Hayward.

I doubt Josie Packard dug up the locket since the digger was wearing a
denim jacket and leather work gloves.  This leaves Leland Palmer and Doc
Will Hayward.

To my mind, one of these people is the murderer -- or the murderer is a
minor character in the series.  The way things look now, I'd guess
Palmer -- but that may be another red herring, as with Leo.  In which
case the murderer must be Doc Hayward.

-- J

> > 2) Leland Palmer. Even more unlikely. What's his motive? The only
> >    conceivable reason to suspect Leland is the black gloves. But
> >    where would Leland get a silenced automatic? And if he had it
> >    before, why wouldn't he use it on Jacques? Surely, no one
> >    these days believes that you can smother someone with a pillow
> >    and have it be mistaken for a natural death?

Especially when Leland runs out of the hospital room and LEAVES JACQUES' ARM
TIED TO THE BED RAIL!
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Darryl Cates asks:
> >So, what does the net.world think ?  Feel cheated ?  Happy to be
> >puzzled all summer ?  Never watching again ?  Glad that Laura
> >bought it, and hoping everyone else does ?  

Actually, the final show made me think back to Terrence Rafferty's review
of the pilot in _The New Yorker_, in which he discussed Lynch's affinity
to the surrealist school of film-making (e.g., Bunuel).  According to
Rafferty, the surrealists were/are fascinated by the notion of serials
and the way they leave everything hanging at the end of an episode, and
embraced the idea of a film that would just STOP there and never resolve
anything.  I've been watching the whole TP series with these ideas
in the back of my mind, sort of hoping that none of our questions would
be answered--not because it's an especially pleasant sensation, but in
order to feel that peculiar queasy feeling that only surrealism can
induce.  Sort of like a painting of a beautiful woman that leaves off
her head... Certainly, Lynch's inclusion of the unexpected fish (in the
coffee pot) is an explicit reference to surrealism--and such a nice
twist, too, to have it be a FLAVOR instead of a visual object!

Classic surrealism light bulb joke:

Q:  How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
A:  Two.  One to change the light bulb.  One to arrange the fish.
  
Why NOT be left hanging on some 30 different cliffs?  It's kind of, uh,
 fishy, isn't it?

--Fiona Oceanstar

In article <2275@mondo.omni.com> bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman) writes:
> >Whoops, what I meant was, "maybe he shot Cooper after getting pissed off
> >at Lucy", NOT "maybe he saved Truman after getting pissed off at Lucy."

Then riddle me this:

How could Andy shoot Cooper when Andy's on the other end of the telephone?   
(Without a major contrivance such as a tape or something.  And, since there
were *two* people on the phone and only one (that we saw) outside the door,
we can assume that Andy didn't have a portable phone, either.)

Nope.  I'd say Andy's got about the best alibi.  He does get to play the
hero again, though, by hearing the shots (they weren't that muffled) and
high-tailin' the ambulance out there.

Talking about Andy...who else saw the "Andy has to use his gun to save Harry"
bit coming from a mile away?  I figured as much when I saw the preview
last week...they had Andy framed with his gun *far* too prominently.  Honestly,
I found that part a little hokey, almost formulaic.  In fact, the whole
episode felt like a Hill Street Blues episode (Oh...like *that's* a surprise).
Very well done, but not up to the standard Lynch set with the ones he directed. 
Frost did have some really spooky moments, tho, such as when Jacques is 
describing the bite in the poker chip.  I also think he integrated the music
well.  Maybe, as Joe Bob would say, there was just too much plot gettin' in
the way of the story.
-- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <881@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) (that's me) writes:
> >Maybe, as Joe Bob would say, there was just too much plot gettin' in
> >the way of the story.

Or would he say "too much story getting in the way of the plot"?
Too much of something, at any rate.

Real-world observation:  They're having a meeting of law-enforcement folk in
my building today.  The weird thing was, we had all these cops around, but
not a donut to be seen.  Hmmm.  Maybe that's why they're having the meeting...

-- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <JYM.90May25102406@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >.-.
> >|I|'ve been having cherry pie fests every Thursday night.  We've
> >`-' been having some *damn* good black coffee as well, but we
> >    haven't brought any in from Hawaii (for Jacoby's benefit).

For the last episode, I bought a big box o' donuts and brewed up some
coffee, although we are all wimps and like it with cow.

It was great fun.  I hear tell of a group that dressed up as their
favorite characters even.


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In <25447@eagle.wesleyan.edu> cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Christopher Foster) writes:

> >Did anyone notice how *different* Laura's last tape to Jacoby sounded when
> >Bobby, Donna and Madeline listened to it, as compared to how it sounded when
> >Jacoby was listening to it with the headphones?  The original version, from
> >episode one, had Laura sounding much more upset; i.e. when she said Bobby was
> >sweet but "so *dumb*," she sounded much more distraught (sp?).  The version
> >that Donna and Bobby were listening to was much more laid back, a much
> >different reading of the same lines.

> >This is probably as much a clue as the leather-to-gold necklace screw-up.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite...the copy that D&B&M were
listening to sounded much more emphatic and emotional...


ann

In <2269@borabora.omni.com> bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman) writes:

> >Couldn't Deputy Andy be a suspect?

> >All of a sudden he's stopped dropping his gun and started
> >shooting DAMN straight.  Maybe his clumsiness and hysteria
> >is just an act?

did I miss the smiley? 8)
Cooper has had Andy doing practice shooting for a couple of
(tp-time) days.  Remember the scene in the shooting gallery
in the police station?  Cooper's own smiley face?

ann

So i caught the tail end of Primetime Live, just as they had the Vice
President saying he thinks he knows who killed Laura Palmer.  I'm glad
to see that I was not alone in reacting the way I did to the season finale.
(A couple of friends I invited over to my place for coffee and cherry pie --
and ^TP^, of course -- felt that I overreacted.)  But now they do want to
know "who shot that cool FBI dude".  *sigh*

Anyway, Judd Rose was amusing, but he's no Dale Cooper.

Not related to the above advertised subject, but... I don't know that all
this cliffhanger stuff is just tied to contract negotiations.  After all,
Kyle Maclachlan already has his five-year contract.

One good thing about all ths cliffhanger stuff is that the newsgroup lives
on, perhaps even in the summer!  Catch you all in a month or so...

-----
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In article <1000@lzaz.ATT.COM> wrt@lzaz.ATT.COM (Rob Tymchyshyn) writes:
> > The partial reunion between Pete and Catherine was lame,
> > unbelievable, and sophmoric. (Those who contend that it
> > is only another one of the Lynchian parodies should 
> > take another look.  It didn't come off as a parody)


No, it was obvious that Catherine was trying to get Pete to help 
her.  She was pretty non-emotional the during the time they were
hugging.  However, it *does* show how sophmoric Pere is.

In article <12491@netcom.UUCP> petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990May24.164611.18657@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave
> >Mack) writes (discussing who shot Cooper):
> >
>> >> 2) Leland Palmer. Even more unlikely. What's his motive? The only
>> >>    conceivable reason to suspect Leland is the black gloves. But
>> >>    where would Leland get a silenced automatic? And if he had it
>> >>    before, why wouldn't he use it on Jacques? Surely, no one
>> >>    these days believes that you can smother someone with a pillow
>> >>    and have it be mistaken for a natural death?
> >
> >If Leland was somehow involved in Laura's death, he has a damn good motive
> >for trying to kill Cooper: Cooper is getting *awfully* close to figuring out
> >who killed Laura.  Without Cooper around, Leland's chances of getting away
> >with murder are substantially improved (especially with Jacques gone).  

I think we can put this line of reasoning to rest quickly. According
to you, Leland killed Jacques and tried to kill Cooper because he
was getting too close in his investigation. If so, why didn't Leland
kill the one person who can do the most damage to him in terms of
testimony: Ronette Pulaski? If he can get into a guarded room (the
guard runs down the hall when the fire alarm goes off) to kill Jacques,
why not Ronette, who probably witnessed Laura's murder?

Leland's actions at the hospital are consistent with a father getting
revenge for the murder of his daughter, not with a murderer covering
his tracks.

> > As to
> >why Leland wouldn't have used his gun to kill Jacques -- very simple.  He 
> >didn't NEED to.  The pillow did the job, and it's a lot harder to trace a 
> >pillow than it is a gun and bullets.

It's also a lot harder to kill someone with a pillow than it is with a
gun. It takes about five minutes for someone to suffocate, during which
time there's a good chance of someone walking in on you. (Of course,
they shorten the time on TV. No audience will sit still through five
minutes of someone being suffocated.) Furthermore, it's not that certain
a method, particularly in a hospital. No organic damage has been done
to Jacques at this point. A little CPR and a defib unit and he'll be
singing like a canary again  - if they find his body inside about ten
minutes from the time he went flatline.

As for tracing the gun and/or bullets - the three slugs in Cooper
should give Albert all the evidence he needs. Two or three more from
Jacques wouldn't have made any difference at all.

-- Dave Mack

In article <13103@wpi.wpi.edu> crimson@wpi.wpi.edu (The Wanderer) writes:
> >...the wednesdays switch was obvious for numerology students.....
> >...so that the season could end on 5/23 at 23h00.....

So why didn't they show it on Tuesday here in Kansas, hmmmm?

On a more serious note, the Twin Peaks hype is really
starting to get on my nerves.  If I hear another story
about a bunch o' "Twinnies" having a donut-fest, I'm 
gonna barf.  I just wish people could watch and enjoy
and talk about it without having to live it.  Maybe
I'm just a cranky 25-year-old with a low hype threshold...
and maybe the media is dealing with a phenomena in the
best way they know how:  driving it into the ground until
it's become completely trivialized.  Harumph.  Ok.  I'm 
off my soapbox.  For now.
-- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Yo!  Dig what bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) sez:
-Perhaps I'm wrong, but a few things seem obvious after the
-"cliffhanger" last night:
-
-4.  Nadine could well be dead.  Reasoning:  She wasn't that interesting
-a character to begin with.  With her out of the way, the interaction
-between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting.

Hell, Nadine is one of the most interesting characters.  And besides;
we're talking about David Lynch, the man who said he could do a whole
show based around the Log Lady.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "She sends me blue valentines / all the way from Philadelphia To mark the anniversary / of someone that I used to be..." - Tom Waits, "Blue Valentines"

Yo!  Dig what bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) sez:
-Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 24-May-90 Re: Twin Peaks -
-Season Fin.. Geoffrey F. Ng@phoenix.P (424)
-
-> what about harry s truman?  he's not as innocent as he looks.  Look
-> at the way he behaves with jacques (watch the dialogues closely, folks.)
-
-Could you please be more specific?  I still happen to believe that
-Truman is as pure as the driven snow.

Maybe so, but watch his reactions when they show him talking with Hawk 
(or is it Andy?) just before Cooper walks in.  Cooper immediately takes
charge of the situation, hands some fairly trivial task to Truman and
takes off.  Our beloved sheriff is not looking like a happy camper at
this point.

I suspect we'll start seeing some friction between Truman and Cooper
next season.

(And while we're talking about police, did anyone notice that, yes, 
Twin Peaks has more than 3 police officers?  I was beginning to wonder
about that, although considering that Lucy always seems to be on the
job, I want to know when she had time to get pregnant.  Only goes to
support my premise that "Invitation to Love" is reality, and "Twin Peaks"
is the fake TV show...)

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "She sends me blue valentines / all the way from Philadelphia To mark the anniversary / of someone that I used to be..." - Tom Waits, "Blue Valentines"

In article <9926@yoda.chips.com> bmay@yoda.UUCP (Brad May) writes:
>> >>Conjectures:
>> >>
>> >>1.  The man who beat up Jacoby is the same man who shot Cooper.  At
>> >>least, the clothing looked the same.  
> >
> >We saw the full body of Jacoby's attacker.  (After one viewing) he looked
> >too heavy set to be Bobby; he looked more like Leland to me than any other 
> >character.  One problem: why would Leland bring a ski mask if he were just 
> >following Madeleine around?

On single-framing through the attack on Jacoby, it's still very difficult
to figure out who the masked man is, but my guess is Leo. Leland has
bushy eyebrows, whereas the masked man doesn't seem to have any. Leo
doesn't have much in the way of eyebrows that I recall.

Incidentally, is it my imagination or is that mask rather strange? It's
like it's much too small for the person wearing it. The eyeholes extend
way above the eyes, there's a hole for the nose, but none for the mouth.
I haven't worn one of these in years, but don't they generally have a
hole for the mouth, and cover the nose?

> >We never see the full body of Cooper's attacker.  I'm not a gun expert, but
> >the gun looked very distinctive, not at all like Shelly's or Catherine's.

The gun is definitely not the same one either of them had. Catherine had
a chromed revolver, Shelley had a chromed automatic (looked like a
Beretta .380), whereas the shooter's gun was a small-caliber blued
automatic with a silencer. It looked like a Hi-Standard .22 to me, but
looking down the barrel makes it a bit difficult to tell.

> >Also, look at the shooter's hand.  It looked small to me, like a woman's,
> >and was gloved, which people have noted is often used to hide gender.  

It didn't look small to me. There really isn't anything that provides
a scale, but the hand is completely wrapped around the grip of the pistol
and the trigger finger extends pretty far on the other side of the gun.
It's either a fairly large hand or a very small gun.

> >Last,
> >Cooper appeared to recognize the person at the door.

Was it recognition, or surprise that it wasn't room service?

> >My guess is Josie.  Think of the conversation with Hank: "You want a lot
> >for your money; I want a lot for my time."  I take this to mean his time in
> >jail is a big sacrifice for $90,000 and he wants Josie to do something for
> >him to make up the "difference".  That is to kill Cooper, who he is afraid
> >will figure it out and send him back to jail. Hank also says (not verbatim)
> >"Now what if you discover that there are circumstances [an FBI agent nosing
> >around on another case] that could result in ... 20 years being snatched
> >away from you."  He must really have something on Josie to blackmail her
> >into killing somebody!

Give me a break. Josie pays Hank to kill her husband for her and he's
going to expect her to kill someone for him? Be real. If she were capable
of killing someone, she'd kill Hank, solving a whole slew of problems
at once. But she isn't, which is why she hired Hank in the first place.

Hank is telling Josie that, because of the possibility that the investi-
gation into Andrew Packard's death may be reopened and he may be 
convicted of that murder and sent to jail for 20 years or more, he
wants more money than the $90,000 she's paid him.

Clear?

-- Dave Mack

In article <1000@lzaz.ATT.COM> wrt@lzaz.ATT.COM (Rob Tymchyshyn) writes:
> >
> >What's with the Hitchcock camera angles?

Hmm ... I thought I was really cool for recognizing the reference to the
shower scene from _Psycho_, when Jacoby's eye became the roulette wheel
(Janet Leigh's eye => water spiraling down the drain).  Were there more 
Hitchcockisms?

Jim "apparently not as cool as Rob Tymchyshyn" Kan


P.S.  Is there a better way to parody the nighttime-soap-opera-last-
show-of-the-season-cliffhanger than to mysteriously kill off (or almost
kill off) most of the main characters?

In article <11945@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >
> >OK, we have three Mystery Men here:
> >
> >(1) The guy who beat up Jacoby.
> >(2) The guy who killed Jacques. (Who isn't really a Mystery Man.)
> >(3) The guy who shot Cooper.

(4)  The mysterious 3rd man the log lady mentioned, possibly the murderer 
     of Laura Palmer.
(5)  The person who took the necklace Donna and James buried
(6)  Laura's "Mystery man" she speaks of to Jacoby
(7)  Laura tells Jacoby that some man may have been tried repeatedly
     to kill her, on the same tape she mentions #6.  Same person?
(many of these are the same person, I'm sure...)
> >
> >Are they all Leland Palmer?  Doubtful. MM#1 wore a ski mask, MM#2 didn't,
> >and we don't know about MM#3, though I suspect that he didn't, because
> >Frost kept the camera shot at waist level. 

I disagree that this casts doubts on Leland doing both #1 and #2.
Just because you wear a ski mask during one assault does mean that 
you must wear it again when you commit another.   I think the
descrepancy might just be matter of shrewdly deciding when to 
wear a ski mask... Leland, a lawyer, is no dummy.  Wearing a ski 
mask in a guarded hospital setting would be dumb.  Wearing one 
while hiding in bushes, beating someone in the open and then running 
away, makes more sense.  An analogy is a murderer who choses to wear 
an all black night suit during a nighttime park murder to mask his
identity, and wears normal street clothes to avoid drawing undue
attention in a guarded, confined, crowded area during the day.  

I don't understand why having a waist level shot for #3 would give
you any hint that Leland did it or did not.  I think whoever did
beat Jacoby shot Cooper, too.  Same garb, and a hunch.

> >
> >As has already been pointed out, MM#1 and MM#2 didn't use a gun. If MM#3
> >was either of the other two, why didn't he use a gun in those instances?
> >The gun *was* necessary in the third instance, as it was the only "sure"
> >way to ace the Coop. The only reason he might not have chosen to use a gun
> >on Jacoby was because he didn't plan on killing him. But, if it was Leland,
> >and his motives for attacking Jacoby were as some people have suggested,
> >one would think that he wouldn't be content with grievous bodily harm.
> >He was certainly cold-blooded enough to kill Jacques without a second
> >thought.

Just because you didn't use a gun in a murder, doesn't mean you weren't 
the person who murdered someone else with a gun.

I think Jacoby's assaulter did in fact want to kill him, but freaked out 
upon seeing Madalaura and ran...  I think Leland is one of the people who 
would freak out like that.  Could be someone else though, say Hank or Leo
on their own, or on orders from Ben Horne (all quite unlikely but possible).
I don't know why Leland would have done this... We have weak reasons 
to suspect him.  He is capable of murder, he saw Madeline leaving and 
might have followed.  If Leland killed Laura, his motivation for beating 
Jacoby might tie in somehow.  Leland supposedly didn't know that Laura 
was seeing Jacoby...  But maybe he actually did know, and wanted to shut 
Jacoby up.  Maybe Leland read Laura's diary?  Heard a tape?  Or maybe 
someone else wanted to stop Jacoby from telling Laura's secrets.  I don't 
know why else anyone would want him dead.  Hey everyone, who knew or 
could have known that Jacoby was seeing Laura?

> >In watching the episode a second time, I noticed that after Leland hit
> >the fire alarm, a policeman walked away from Jacques' door, which is how
> >Leland knew what room to check out. He might not otherwise have known
> >Jacques from a hole in the wall.

yup.

Whoever killed Laura, a metaphorical killer bob, said in Coopers
dream: "I will... kill...again".  If Leland did in fact kill Laura,
he will be the only person who has killed twice in Twin Peaks.  Hmm,
come to think of it I suppose if Leo killed Laura, then he would have
killed twice too.  Didn't he kill Jaques brother?  And he certainly
tried to kill Shelly.  Oh wait a minute... Bobby too!  Laura told 
Donna that Bobby killed someone, so he would make suspect #3.  (we
discover this when Audrey and Donna are talking in the restroom, deciding
to work together to discover Laura's murderer).  I don't think Bobby
killed Laura though.  Cooper agrees with me.  :)
Of course Laura's murderer might well be someone other than those
who could have murdered twice by now.

Finally... I would recommend the "Manchurian Candidate" to anyone.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.uscsc.edu  Bursting my jeans for the good of mankind

In article <21547@boulder.Colorado.EDU> kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kelley McDonald) writes:
> >Did anyone else notice that Dr. Jacoby saw who hit him and caused the Heart-
> >attack?  I looked at the video tape and saw that the mugger removed his ski
> >mask.  Who could it be?  Leland Palmer?

Gibberish.

First, the attacker did *not* take the mask off. Take another look at
the tape. Second, Jacoby did *not* see who attacked him, at least
according to Dr. Hayward quoting Jacoby.

Yes, it could be Leland Palmer. It could also be Leo.
My money's on Leland for motive, but the attacker looks
more like Leo physically.

-- Dave Mack

In article <13103@wpi.wpi.edu> crimson@wpi.wpi.edu (The Wanderer) writes:
> >In article <laura?laura?dontgothere.19283@tpclinic.vet.org> waldo@tpclinic.vet.ORG (Bob Lydecker) writes:
>> >>   The first six episodes of "Twin Peaks" have been shown on Thursday
>> >>nights, and the switch to Wednesday, despite extensive publicity by ABC,
>> >>has left some viewers confused.
> >...the wednesdays switch was obvious for numerology students.....
> >
> >
> >...so that the season could end on 5/23 at 23h00.....

... and the sweeps ended on 5/23 as well.
> >
Wally Pereira

In article <878@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
>> > >what about harry s truman?  he's not as innocent as he looks.  Look
>> > >at the way he behaves with jacques (watch the dialogues closely, folks.)

Naw, he's GOT to be an innocent.  He's Josie's lover, and treats Josie like
the flower she "projects" herself to be.  Now, we the viewer know that
Josie is just a DragonLady, meaning that she will break Truman's
heart eventually.

*** Laurie Mann ** harvard!m2c!jjmhome!lmann ** lmann%jjmhome@m2c.m2c.org ***
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Has Cooper had a good night's sleep since his psychic dream?  First the 
Icelanders arrived and sang all night, then as soon as they left someone shot
Cooper.  Could someone be trying to prevent him from having another dream
that might help him find the killer?

fi@whittaker.rice.edu (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:

> >Certainly, Lynch's inclusion of the unexpected fish (in the
> >coffee pot) is an explicit reference to surrealism--and such a nice
> >twist, too, to have it be a FLAVOR instead of a visual object!

> >Q:  How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
> >A:  Two.  One to change the light bulb.  One to arrange the fish.
  
> >Why NOT be left hanging on some 30 different cliffs?  It's kind of, uh,
> > fishy, isn't it?

> >--Fiona Oceanstar

Three fish references in one article from a person named Oceanstar.
Now, *THAT'S* fishy.

Obligatory Twin Peaks stuff:

I could live with all the cliffhangers of the final episode.
My explanations can wait until September.

--------------
Roderick Manalac

If Leland had nothing to do with Laura's death, why did he kill
Jaques and not Jacoby?  If Leland is completely innocent, would
he not suspect Jacoby more than Jaques?  Of course if he had 
anything to do with Laura's death, why not kill Ronette? 
However a lawyer would probably do a better job in hiding the body.
Then again he is only a corporate lawyer and was probably a little
emotional at the time.

In article <1990May25.121436.10229@cbnewsd.att.com> shar@cbnewsd.att.com (sharon.l.blanton) writes:
> >Here is my thoughts on who shot Cooper.
> >Andy.  Lucy's baby isn't his and he figures its Cooper's.  He
> >simply lost it.

Again, how could Andy have possibly shot Cooper?  He's
on the other end of Cooper's phone call when he gets shot,
saying something like "Agent Cooper?  This is Andy!  Leo
Johnson's been shot!"  No...Andy could not and did not
shoot Cooper.  

As far as the baby goes, my conjecture is that it *is* Andy's,
but he's not ready for the commitment involved in having a kid.
Lucy wanted him to be happy about it when she finally told him,
but he got that glazed look of shock and stumbled away.
-- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <11943@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) sputtered incoherently:

<> he still does love her. He and Norma could've kept up their illicit
<> relationship (though with Hank around that would be very dangerous), but
<> Ed decided they should cool it for a while because of Nadine.

now wait a minute.  norma was the one who suggested
that they "cool it."  as i recall, she says "don't
call me; at least not for a while" (or something similar).
all ed says is "okay."

ahem,

hanna

In article <1703@batman.moravian.EDU> metzgerJ@batman.moravian.EDU (Metzger) writes:
> >I've just discovered the ttwin peaks group here on the net in the past few days.
> >I've skimmed thru a bunch of the letteres trying to get up to date and I
> >noticed that you are all looking for video tapes of all of the shows.
> >Perhaps the easiest solution to this problem is to bombard ABC with
> >letteres pleading for them to rerun the episodes at some point
> >b4 fall.  I'm sure quite a few good points could be brought up
> >in an effort to persuade them.  There's nothin on in the summer anyway.
> >(I can believe I'm talkin about ASKING for reruns!)
> >
> >Just a thought...


I remember Mark Frost on Donahue saying that all of the episodes will be
shown agaion before the fall season.  The only problem is WHEN?????

-jc
--
Joseph Chung
== You can always find what you're not looking for! ==
laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu

>>> >>> and > = Dave Mack
>> >> = me

>>> >>> 2) Leland Palmer. Even more unlikely. What's his motive? The only
>>> >>>    conceivable reason to suspect Leland is the black gloves. But
>>> >>>    where would Leland get a silenced automatic? And if he had it
>>> >>>    before, why wouldn't he use it on Jacques? Surely, no one
>>> >>>    these days believes that you can smother someone with a pillow
>>> >>>    and have it be mistaken for a natural death?

>> >> If Leland was somehow involved in Laura's death, he has a damn good motive
>> >> for trying to kill Cooper: Cooper is getting *awfully* close to figuring out
>> >> who killed Laura.  Without Cooper around, Leland's chances of getting away
>> >> with murder are substantially improved (especially with Jacques gone).  

> > I think we can put this line of reasoning to rest quickly. According
> > to you, Leland killed Jacques and tried to kill Cooper because he
> > was getting too close in his investigation.

Not quite.  We know Leland killed Jacques (I trust we can all agree on that
point :-).  I am not, in any way, shape, form, or fashion, convinced that
Leland WAS the one who shot Cooper; my point is that we cannot *eliminate*
Leland as a possibile suspect in the shooting.  As I noted above, we can easily
hypothesize a motive for Leland's wanting to shoot Cooper.  And while your 
other points are well worth considering, they are not, in my opinion, strong
enough to clear Leland.

> >                                            If so, why didn't Leland
> > kill the one person who can do the most damage to him in terms of
> > testimony: Ronette Pulaski? If he can get into a guarded room (the
> > guard runs down the hall when the fire alarm goes off) to kill Jacques,
> > why not Ronette, who probably witnessed Laura's murder?

The key word here is "probably"; it is certainly possible that Ronette was
already injured/unconscious when Leland appeared on the scene, or that for
some reason Ronette was not there when Laura was killed.  We don't know.  If
Leland was there, he would, and so may have good reason to leave Ronette alone.
Another possible answer to this question is simply that he hasn't gotten around
to it yet -- the chances that Ronette will recover enough to be of any use to
the investigation were seen as pretty slim, and so Leland may have chosen to
concern himself with his more pressing problems, at least until such time as
Ronette shows some signs of recovery.

> > Leland's actions at the hospital are consistent with a father getting
> > revenge for the murder of his daughter, not with a murderer covering
> > his tracks.

As I said, at this juncture, I think Leland's actions would be consistent
with either possibility.

>> >>                                                                     As to
>> >> why Leland wouldn't have used his gun to kill Jacques -- very simple.  He 
>> >> didn't NEED to.  The pillow did the job, and it's a lot harder to trace a 
>> >> pillow than it is a gun and bullets.

> > It's also a lot harder to kill someone with a pillow than it is with a
> > gun. It takes about five minutes for someone to suffocate, during which
> > time there's a good chance of someone walking in on you. (Of course,
> > they shorten the time on TV. No audience will sit still through five
> > minutes of someone being suffocated.) Furthermore, it's not that certain
> > a method, particularly in a hospital. No organic damage has been done
> > to Jacques at this point. A little CPR and a defib unit and he'll be
> > singing like a canary again  - if they find his body inside about ten
> > minutes from the time he went flatline.

Agreed.  But we KNOW Leland used a pillow to kill Jacques, regardless of 
whether he shot Cooper or not; whatever Leland's motive, as a murder weapon, 
a pillow has the same drawbacks.  So even if Leland didn't shoot Cooper, we
still have to answer the question of why Leland chose that particular M.O.
when killing Jacques.  The suggestion that Leland could not, in the space of
a week, manage to lay hands on a more suitable murder weapon, is weak at best.
(Actually, I think the best answer to this question is that Leland, being a
TV character, is suffering from that common TV character affliction, "Not
Considering How Real People Really Die". :-)

> > As for tracing the gun and/or bullets - the three slugs in Cooper
> > should give Albert all the evidence he needs. Two or three more from
> > Jacques wouldn't have made any difference at all.

They would reveal that the same person was responsible for both crimes.  This
fact would narrow down the list of suspects considerably -- the number of 
people interested in killing both Jacques and Cooper would be small, while the
list of people who might want to kill a brilliant and effective FBI agent is
potentially quite large.  (And although *we* know that Lynch would be, well,
lynched if he brought in someone new just to shoot Cooper, characters on the
show don't get to take this into account....)  Since Leland presumably would
like to minimize his chances of being caught, he could well decide not to use
his gun for both Jacques and Cooper.

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
             "I don't know if you're a detective or a pervert...."
             "Well, that's for me to know and you to find out...."

In article <QaLKlfS00jukJa5WwC@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
> >I think the last episode narrowed down the range of suspects if we make
> >two assumptions:
> >The person who shot Cooper is the muderer of Laura Palmer,
> >or closely associated with the murderer.
> >
> >The person who dug up the locket is also the murderer.

Well, since there's about a 95% certainty that Jacoby dug the
locket up, and since any scenario which doesn't involve Jacoby
digging the locket up requires that the Tooth Fairy came down
and waved his magic wand to make things happen, I guess we can
assume that Jacoby somehow crawled out of ICU, scrounged up a
silenced pistol, dragged himself to the Great Northern, and
pumped three shots into Coop for no apparent reason.

There is nothing we've seen in the series to justify either of
these assumptions.

-- Dave Mack

Yo!  Dig what wrt@lzaz.ATT.COM (Rob Tymchyshyn) sez:
-
-Other observations:
-
-The dialogue between Cooper and Jaques was as anti-Peakedly
-pedestrian.

That's because Cooper was a) playing the part of drug-lord/bankroller,
and not being himself and b) leading the conversation in a particular
manner; Harry and gang were taping the conversation, probably to be used
in court against him.

-The partial reunion between Pete and Catherine was lame,
-unbelievable, and sophmoric. (Those who contend that it
-is only another one of the Lynchian parodies should 
-take another look.  It didn't come off as a parody)

Well, Catherine needs someone she can trust (to use), and Pete's an
old romantic.  I'm just glad it wasn't played as a *real* reunion.  
That wouldn't have been believable.

-Where did all those backup cops come from?

Well, Twin Peaks (the town) has a population of 51,000.  It's about time
they showed some other police officers.  Besides, you don't think that
Truman, Hawk and Andy could eat an entire morning spread of donuts 
themselves, do you?

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "and he'll die without a wimper, like every heros dream just an angel with a bullet, and cagney on the screen" - Tom Waits, "Romeo is Bleeding"

> > Loved the comparison of Leo's reaction to being shot and that of
> > the TV show's actor being shot.
> > 
> > Can't wait til the fall show starts.
> > 
> > Sharon Blanton
> > 

It's obvious how ITL (Invitation to Love) has at many times
either forecasted or echoed events actually happening in TP.
In the penultimate TP episode we saw (just before a commercial)
a muted tv playing a scene where the cool-looking guy beats up
somebody and then laughs and laughs.  In the same episode
we see Hank beat up Leo.  At another time in ITL some meek-looking
character has a gun and says "I told you what I would do if, etc."
and fires it at a guy; sometime soon after (or before, I
can't remember) we see Shelly pulling the trigger on a disbelieving
Leo.

What's interesting is that in the season finale, we at last see
TP and ITL in synchrony, both tough guys dying at once.  So
what made the finale nice is not just that both happened at
once, but that it led up to it in a quasi-systematic way.

Greg Sandell

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Yo!  Dig what lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim) sez:
- Nobody's gonna fall for Bobby's setup of James.  James is a Bookhouse boy
-and if he swears Books Honour that the coke wasn't his, well, that's good
-enough for me.

Yeah, but it won't be good enough for Cooper, and possibly for Truman.  
Or at least, it won't get him completely out of trouble.  Especially when 
they find out about the outside investigations that James & Co have been
doing.

My guess is that James's going to have a lot of explaining to do.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "and he'll die without a wimper, like every heros dream just an angel with a bullet, and cagney on the screen" - Tom Waits, "Romeo is Bleeding"

I just figured they wanted to save time and get on to the stuff we hadn't
heard.  I may be wrong, but I think a lot of people have a tendence to
overanalyze things.  There doesn't have to be a covert meaning to
everything that doesn't jibe with your version of reality.

Michael


--
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And you chowder-head yokel, you blithering hayseed, you've had enough of me?

My vote for the shooter of Cooper--Ben Horne.  When he finds his daughter 
at OEJ, he knows that Cooper is on his trail...He may have gotten Audrey
to admit that she was working to help him.  

He may also be upset that his daughter is at OEJ, and in the same position
(no pun intended) as Laura was before she died.  (I believe Ben knows how
Laura died; whether or not he was directly responsible is an open question.
The same is true of Leland.)  Ben is cold and evil, but might
still be upset by the possibility of Audrey going the same way as Laura, 
and may hold Cooper responsible.  

The motive I described in the previous paragraph does conflict somewhat with
Ben's calculating nature, however.  I think it is more likely that he just
beat the hell out of Audrey to get her to talk--got her to admit that she
was trying to help Cooper, and moreover that she saw Cooper at OEJ.  He then
tried to kill the detective that was hot on his trail.  Normally, Ben would
have had someone else do the shooting, but all his favorite henchmen were 
busy being killed (Leo, Jacques) or killing (Hank, Leland??).  Ben muffed 
the job by not considering the flak jacket because he's not used to doing 
the dirty work himself.

I didn't tape the last episode (dopey me) so I may have missed something
that blows holes in this theory.  I'm sure someone will let me know.

After having spent some time babbling about Ben here are my views on 
Leland.  Part of Leland's carrying on is legitimate grief over the death 
of his daughter.  But he also feels somewhat responsible for her death 
(note the blood on his hands, and the casket scene).  This is probably 
because, as Bobby accused at the funeral, Leland knew that Laura was in 
trouble, and did nothing to stop it.  He may have known about her working 
at OEJ, and possibly even her involvement with Jacques and Leo.  This 
would explain how Leland knew Jacques was the person he was looking for 
at the hospital.

Why didn't he do anything about it?  Well, this is purely speculation
(even more so than the previous rubbish), but perhaps Ben was blackmailing
him to keep his mouth shut.  Possible dirt on Leland: answering letters in
Flesh World, having sex with Laura, and most remotely--killing Teresa Banks.
If Ben knew inside information about the killing of T.B. from Leland, he
would know how to copycat the crime.

Finally, consider this alternate possibility.  Leland killed Teresa Banks 
in a bizzare ritual a year ago.  He intended to repeat the crime with 
Ronnette Pulaski, but somehow did it to Laura by mistake.  This would 
explain why 'T'eresa had a 'T' under her fingernail, but 'L'aura had an 
'R', for 'R'onnette under her fingernail.  He killed Jacques because he is
pissed off at him for making the Laura/Ronnette switch.  He blames Jacques
for Laura's death, since if it weren't for him, Laura would be alive, and
some faceless whore would be dead.  (Little does he know, BEN actually
made the switch :-)  I don't remember who first pointed out the possible 
significance of the letters (T for Teresa and R for Ronnette), but he/she 
is a genius.  I like this theory--it seems very Lynchian.

This posting is getting long--I'd better quit before I dig this hole for 
myself any deeper.

Frank Brill

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,201"

Laura dies.

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,200"

Mike splits.

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,199"

Jacques splits.

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,198"

Bernard dies.

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,197"

Hank returns.

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,198"

Leo dies?  Catherine dies?  Shelly dies?  Pete dies?  Nadine dies?
Jacoby dies?

"Welcome to Twin Peaks: Population 51,192 and counting..."

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In article <881@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
> >Talking about Andy...who else saw the "Andy has to use his gun to save Harry"
> >bit coming from a mile away?
> >... episode felt like a Hill Street Blues episode 

I dunno, makes me think that perhaps Lynch is a Die Hard fan?    :)
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Quoth Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU in <MaL0xF600jukMwu3hf@cs.cmu.edu>:
|    8.5) Did Montana die?  ;-)
|Sure is funny how that's the only show they ever watch in Twin Peaks,
|isn't it -- and it's on 24 hours a day.  

You'll note that the soap was playing on the VCR, not in real
time.  Shelly probably set it to be recorded while she was
working at the diner, and Leo was watching it when he was rudely
interrupted.


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About the shooting --

I think it's important to notice that whoever shot Cooper did so *from the 
hallway*, implying that the shooter had somewhere to go QUICKLY if Cooper 
decided to call for help or if something went wrong.  (Anyone prepared enough
to bring a silencer would have some sort of back-up for failure.)  If memory
serves, the Asian gentleman checked into the room *across the hall* from
Cooper, and also seemed to recognize or acknowledge him as he passed.  Not
conclusive evidence, surely, but a lead.  If not the Asian gentleman, who
else would have an escape route?  Ben and especially Audrey, but they are....
well.....tied up at the moment.  Leland certainly seems to know his way around,
and could probably escape in time.  Andy is out of the question: besides 
being on the phone at the time of the shooting, he would have NOWHERE to get a
silencer other than the police station evidence bin, and no one else has been
shot with a silencer that we have seen.  Josie?  Harry?  I don't know.....I
vote for the Asian gent.  The only thing I can think of against him is the
expression on Cooper's face as he came to the door -- was that shock at the 
gun or the assailant?

mgh

.

In article <11955@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes...

} In article <25447@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Christopher Foster) writes...

}} Did anyone notice how *different* Laura's last tape to Jacoby sounded
}} when Bobby, Donna and Madeline listened to it, as compared to how it
}} sounded when Jacoby was listening to it with the headphones?
[...]
} As soon as I have the new version transcribed, I'll post the differences.

Here is a transcription of each tape. "(1)" refers to the tape as Jacoby
listens to it, "(2)" refers to the tape as James, Donna, and Madeleine
listen to it. In addition to having different wording, the intonation is
also very different between the two.

(1) Hey, what's up Doc? It's Laura Palmer, in case you haven't guessed.
(2) Hey, what's up Doc? It's Laura,        in case you haven't guessed.

(1) I'm making you another one of these tapes, which as you already know,
(2)

(1) I've mailed to you in one of the envelopes you gave me. It's Thursday
(2)                                                         It's Thursday

(1) the 23rd, and I'm so bored. Actually, I'm in kind of a weird mood.
(2) the 23rd, and I'm so bored. Actually, I'm in kind of a weird mood.

(1) God, James is sweet, but he's so *dumb*. I shoulda met you a long time
(2) God, James is sweet, but he's so *dumb*.

(1) ago, Dr. Jacoby, because right now I can take just so much of sweet.
(2)                      And right now I can only take so much of sweet.

(1) I just know I'm gonna get lost in those woods again tonight. I just
(2) 

(1) know it. Remember, me telling you about that mystery man? Well...
(2)          Hey, remember that mystery man I told you about? Well [...]

At that point, Jacoby puts on the headphones, so we don't hear the rest of
(1) while (2) continues on.

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In article <13694@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >One kind soul offered to keep a list of tapers and
> >tape-needers, with the goal of matching people in the same area
> >or whatever, but I suspect that the response from the tapers
> >was probably pretty dismal.  

I was the one mentioned here.  I only got 4 or 5 responses from people who
were willing to supply the early episodes and matched one pair who could 
exchange tapes.  Due to the lack of response, I thought that it would have 
been unfair to those who were willing to supply tapes and I let it die.  
-- Carlo Sgro Not a card-carrying member of the watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Laurie Bower Singers Fan Club.

> >5. As a side note British Columbia has a very small French Canadian population
> >yet both Bernie and Jacques Renault were/are French Canadian.  Hmmmm?

And have you ever heard such an "outrageous French accent" since Monty Python
and the Search for the Holy Grail :-)?
-- Carlo Sgro Not a card-carrying member of the watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Laurie Bower Singers Fan Club.

In article <22310@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> mdm@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Michael McDaniel) writes:
> >I just figured they wanted to save time and get on to the stuff we hadn't
> >heard.  I may be wrong, but I think a lot of people have a tendence to
> >overanalyze things.  There doesn't have to be a covert meaning to
> >everything that doesn't jibe with your version of reality.

I considered and rejected this possibility before I posted the
"Two Tapes" article. The changes (some of them, anyway) seemed
focussed on downplaying Laura's relationship to Jacoby. Others
seemed to be made because of the length of the tape.

What I failed to consider was the "duelling directors" problem 
on TP, which may be responsible for a lot of the discontinuities
people have pointed out.

If the director of Ep. 7 decided to change the script a bit
when they were doing the voice-over for that segment, he or
she should be shot. That tape appeared to be important evidence
when it came to light in Ep. 1 - twitting around with it this
way is very annoying, if that's what happened.

Now the problem is, we still don't know whether the ending of
the tape that we heard in Ep. 7 is the same thing that Jacoby
heard in Ep. 1. It will be both amusing and frustrating if,
when Cooper listens to the tape, we get a third version.

-- Dave Mack

> > I just figured they wanted to save time and get on to the stuff we hadn't
> > heard.  I may be wrong, but I think a lot of people have a tendence to
> > overanalyze things.  There doesn't have to be a covert meaning to
> > everything that doesn't jibe with your version of reality. [MICHAEL MCDANIEL]

That's what I've grown to really "*like*" (read the word "*like*" with as much
drooling snarling sracasm as you can muster up) about Twin Peaks.  Here we have
a very significant difference between the way Jacoby originally heard the tape
and the way the (supposedly) same tape sounds when played back later by
other people who have purloined it.  Is this really significant?  Will it
actually ever matter to the course of the plot?

OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!!!!!  It's a gaffe, a kluge, a fuckup, a stupid ineptoid
klutzed up mucking about by people who really don't care whether they insert
inconsistencies into the plot line that prompt anyone using their brain (who
might be watching and expecting that a thinking person's program is being
developed here) to say "Hmmmmmm...".  Save your breath.  Air is a precious
resource.  Don't bother.  This is NOT a thinking person's show.  This is a
soap opera.  Concocted by people who think they're parodying or redefining the
"boundaries" and "limits" of soap opera by inserting clever little allusions to
movies they like, and by utilizing quirky characters and "new-age" detective
methodologies, and by inserting people watching a soap opera within the soap
opera itself (is this genuinely original?), as if to say "Look at THIS
interesting plot element:  the characters in THIS soap opera are themselves
hooked on a TV soap opera; isn't that funny, I mean, *imagine* people totally
obsessed by a silly television pro... oh, hi there, audience, how's it goin'?".
But a soap opera nonetheless, and nonethemore.

Someone claimed that the people who dealt us this mess surely wouldn't jerk
around millions of people with stupid leftover cliched soap opera tricks, or
with poor plotting that leaves one thinking about how Indiana Jones' line in 
"Raiders of the Lost Ark" ("I don't know, I'm making this up as I go along.")
was actually reflective of what was going on in the minds of that film's
creators, too.  I do not see why making a film about a baby that looks like a
sheep (and probably WAS a sheep) gives one a degree of infallibility and
integrity comparable to a cross between the Pope and Mother Theresa.  He and
his little cronies are fucking with our minds, no less so than other slimy 
network and other media yoohoos.  We came into this expecting (or at least
hoping for) a sophisticated program that would give people who say "Oh, I
*never* watch network TV" to come back into the fold (like good little sheep)
and watch.  The early episodes hinted at the fulfillment of that promise.

But in reality it was never a promise at all, it was a scam.  Watching this
show with the level of sophistication and interpretation and observation that
the show LEADS you to think it deserves is actually detrimental to the
appreciation of the program.  Thinking is not a survival trait when it comes to
watching Twin Peaks.  It is just the opposite, it is an anti-survival trait,
it leads you to be contemplating the meaning of log when a huge bear or wolf or
a tractor trailer comes along and slimes you to pieces, because you should have
been using your log-given senses to fend for your survival out in the wild
instead of thinking about whether or not there were two Lydeckers or whether or
not the stuffed toy duck sitting at the edge of the table in the scene where
Maddy doesn't touch her cherry coke at the diner has any significance, or
whether the very fact that Maddy doesn't touch her CHERRY  C O K E is in and of
itself significant.  It doesn't matter.  Really.  Honestly.  This show is best
appreciated by NOT bothering to think about ANYTHING, by watching it JUST LIKE
it was a common garden variety soap opera.  For good reason:  it *IS* a common
garden variety soap opera, albeit a common garden variety soap opera with a log
lady, a Zen detective, kinky sex in and out the wazoo hinted at and "brazenly"
bared for all to see (at least as much as one can on TV), and a general
quirkiness and atmosphere that LEADS us, the people who NEVER watch network TV
and especially not those silly soap operas, to think that this is MORE than a
common garden variety soap opera.

If the show is a parody, the thing being parodied is the audience, you and me,
the people who look with disdain on shows like Dallas, Dynasty, and Wheel of
Fortune, because WE have been shown to be no better than those who are
hopelessly addicted to THOSE programs.  We have been sucked in.  Toyed with.
Fucked with.  And I, for one, have had enough.  I am going cold turkey off of
this ridiculous habit NOW.  I mean, this show has messed up my life completely,
controlling my schedule, my lifestyle, my conversation.  Look at me right here
in this newsgroup.  I have never spent so much time slavishly reading and
posting to the net in my entire life.  (Well, maybe once, for about four years,
but that doesn't count...)

So I've had it.  In the words of Bobby's friend Mike (who isn't one-armed Mike,
who isn't the one-armed man from the Fugitive, who isn't the killer, who isn't
really important anyway), I'm outta here.  Maybe if enough of us who feel the
same way (and apparently there are more than a few of us) make our feelings
known, we can show the network that we're mad as hell about this and we're not
going to take it anymore.  (Ohmygod, another movie reference!!!!)  Maybe
they'll realize that they can't mess with our minds that way indefinitely.
Maybe they'll realize that these whimsified artistes who think they can fool us
into believing that they've made something "serious" and interesting here can't
get over on the American public ad infinitum.  Maybe they'll realize that the
very audience they had tried to sucker in is now wise to them and isn't going
to bother watching their silly program next fall.

And maybe once they realize all that, when they rebroadcast the entire series
over the summer, they'll use the version of the last episode that was intended
to be used if the series was not going to be renewed for the fall, the one that
reveals who actually killed Laura Palmer!  Yeah!!!! ...  I mean, like I really
give a hoot...
--
"I can't understand a word you're saying, you have a thing in your mouth."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

I think someone should start a movie newsgroup so we could discuss
 Wild at Heart.

What happened to Waldo?

In article <14995@reed.UUCP>, hedlund@reed.UUCP (Marc Hedlund) oozed:
==> 
==> to bring a silencer would have some sort of back-up for failure.)  If memory
==> serves, the Asian gentleman checked into the room *across the hall* from
==> Cooper, and also seemed to recognize or acknowledge him as he passed.  Not

i thought he was _down_ the hall (like next door).
and, cooper didn't see him, audrey did.


-- ``uh oh. there's a cowboy stuck in my programmer's reference.'' -- mattb

In article <5557@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, dla@mathcs.emory.edu (Dave L A {MRep}) writes:
> > What happened to Waldo?

Shot by Leo, bled on doughnuts.  Presumed disposed of.  Unless he has
an identical cousin mynah someplace.  Rawk.

bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:

> >The theme of "crawly bugs under the neatly trimmed lawn are battling"
> >seems to be a favorite of Lynch's.  Sadly, it also seems to be a 
> >favorite of the real world.

Indeed.  And I suddenly have a low opinion of all the critics who called
*Twin Peaks* "surreal".  If anything, it's *more* real than standard TV
fare.  In real life, cops *do* get weird emotional reactions when they
see dead bodies.  Grief-stricken parents *do* go on endless crying
jags and indulge in bizarre rituals.  I don't know any Log Ladies,
but I know plenty of people whose beliefs are just as weird -- except,
of course to those who share them.

This show is *too* real.  Half the time, it's damned painful to watch.
So why do I watch it?  Something perverse in me, I guess....

kem@csri.toronto.edu (Kem Luther) writes:

> >Perhaps the mass of (near) fatalities is a negotiation ploy. Assume
> >Lynch has to reach salary figures on renewal series.  Putting a 
> >character in an ambiguous life/death situation makes it easy to
> >write them out.  At least Shakespeare waited to the end to 
> >plaster the cast.

jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:

> > In article <881@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barr
>> > >Talking about Andy...who else saw the "Andy has to use his gun to save Harry
>> > >bit coming from a mile away?
>> > >... episode felt like a Hill Street Blues episode 
> > 
> > I dunno, makes me think that perhaps Lynch is a Die Hard fan?    :)
> > --

Now now, let's not forget Mr. Mark Frost! After all, he DID co-create
the show and he both wrote AND directed the last episode BY HIMSELF. I got
the joke, yuk yuk, but I think we should all give Frost some respect --
I believe he's been more of an influence and more of an active partici-
pant in the show than David Lynch. Lynch has his movies to film; Frost
has nothing big BESIDES "Twin Peaks!" Not at the moment, anyway..

Speaking of Lynch/Frost, I have a question regarding Kyle MacLachlan's
alleged 5-year contract with them. Now is this contract referring to TP
specifically, or just L/F prod. in general? Because if it made an issue
of US magazine, the 5-year contract must have been put into effect before
ABC decided to renew the show. While I'm not at all implying MacLachlan
won't return in the fall (It's a certainty), I'm just wondering if this
includes movies and possibly other tv shows as well.

                             -Uzer

Regarding Rich Rosen's 'it's a soap opera, dammit' diatribe a few
postings back:
AMEN!

i, for one, am getting a bit tired of people treating every damn 
inconsistency as an important clue or symbol, and every small detail
as relevant to the plot as Laura Palmer's death.

this is network tv, folks, and you will never get art approaching the
caliber you make twin peaks to be in a system based on statistical
determination of what people like because, sadly, this sort of art
appeals to a fairly small statistical number, especially in the
culturally backward united states.  twin peaks can ONLY be a soap
opera if it expects to keep running (or i suppose it could become
a "murder, she wrote" or "father dowling", but i don't like to think
about that)

i am also irritated by people crediting (or blaming) everything in
twin peaks on David Lynch.  his contributions to the show so far
include direction of three of the nine hours aired so far, working out
with Mark Frost the general plot of the show (which is a rather general
thing, and does not even go into dialogue, which is why they use
scriptwriters), and co executive producing the show. i can't remember
if he did any actual scriptwiting, but i'm sure someone might tell me.

in contrast to Rich Rosen, however, i will continue to watch twin peaks.
i enjoy the show, and i do not feel 'cheated' or offended that the show
has rapidly degenerated into a soap opera.  the way i am, if i like
something, no matter how much snobbery type bias i might have built
up toward it by whatever external forces contribute to my life, i'll
subscribe to it anyway.  by the way, this is not an attack at Rich's 
decision not to watch the show anymore.  the way i see it, he is 
disappointed with it's recent soap operaness and the show doesn't do
much for him anymore.  this is a perfectly fine attitude to take
and watching the show anymore would merely be a waste of time for him.
there is no 'correct' set of things to appreciate in terms of art or
entertainment, everybody likes their own things, that's what separates us
from machines -- individual opinion.


paul


"The dog who is so angry he cannot move.
He cannot eat.
He cannot sleep.
He can just barely growl.
...Bound so tightly with tension and anger, he approaches the state
of rigor mortis."  -from the comic strip "The Angriest Dog In The World",
     by David Lynch.

Waldo was shot by Leo.  He was happily talking to Cooper's voice-activated 
tape recorder when Leo shot him with a rifle from outside in his truck.
It was a pretty gnarly scene.  Feathers drifting, and Waldo's blood on
the doughnuts.  As for what happened to waldo after that, I can't say.
Maybe he'll turn up at the RR diner as a blue-plate special.
Quantum Cheerios
--
"Preferring to ignore the chaos..."

They can't kill Nadine until we find out why she wears an eye patch!

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Why did Big Ed ever marry Nadine in the first place?  If he and
Norma were High-school sweethearts, how did they end up with 
Hank and Nadine?  What a bunch of losers!

--  maggie

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In article <13799@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes:
-In <25447@eagle.wesleyan.edu> cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Christopher Foster) writes:
-
->Did anyone notice how *different* Laura's last tape to Jacoby sounded when
->Bobby, Donna and Madeline listened to it, as compared to how it sounded when
->Jacoby was listening to it with the headphones?  The original version, from

It's a new tape.

This fits in with the theory that Laura killed Madeline, but now
Jacoby has to be in on it.  Laura made the new tape to throw suspicion
on Leo and his red Corvette.  Jacobi also tells Cooper of following a red 
Corvette the night of Laura's death.  This explains why Jacobi wanted to see the
body in the first episode -- he wanted to see that it wasn't really 
Laura.

The problem with this theory is that the dead girl has to be the girl that
had sex with Waldo in the cabin.  Does this mean that Madeline was kinky
too, or did Laura make the switch without Jaques knowing?

--  maggie

p.s.  Clearly, it was the oriental gentleman that shot Cooper.
p.s.  Clearly, it wa
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In article <32000@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (john c chu) writes:
> > Seriously, she [Sherilyn Fenn] is nominated for Best Supporting Actress 
> > (at least if I remember my ET correctly)
> > 
> > Aside from Best Leading Actor, and Best Drama, does anyone know the other 11?
> > 
Well, I can only find 8 nominations (in 7 categories; two different
episodes are up for writing).  According to the Los Angeles Times (8/3/90):


1. Best damn drama series

2. Lead actor, drama series (Kyle MacLachlan)

3. Lead actress, drama series (Piper Laurie)

4. Supporting actress, drama series (Sherilyn Fenn)

5. Writing, drama series (Mark Frost & David Lynch, pilot)

6. Writing, drama series (Harley Peyton, episode three)

7. Directing, drama series (David Lynch, pilot)

8. Single camera production editing, series (lots of folks, ep. 7)


That's all they had listed.  They didn't have any of the music 
categories listed, so my guess is that Angelo Badalamenti (sp?) is up for
one or two (original score).  They also failed to list cinematography nom- 
inees.  Surprisingly, _Twin Peaks_ was NOT nominated for Sound mixing, drama
series.  Costumers were also not listed, but Audrey's shoes should get some
kind of award.
That's all I can come up with.  If anyone can account for the 
remaining six nominations, please post 'em.


  [Eric Yeater, whom the Public Broadcasting Service is not responsible for]
"Don't drink that coffee, boys!"

In episode one, Harry and Cooper are in the elevator in the hospital,
just before meeting Dr Jacoby. When the elevator stops on that floor,
we see a very clear head shot of someone getting out before them
  Who is it?

-- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400

In article <1990Aug3.180626.10973@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> ciamac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Ciamac Moallemi) writes:
> >Has anyone heard anything about the new David Lynch movie, _Wild at
> >Heart_.  Its supposed to open here in New York on August 17th.  
> >

   Sorry if this has been already discussed.  Is there any significance
to (1) the body being found at a *rocky* beach [Audrey to Norweigans]
(2) The face not being all smashed up.  Presumably meaning body carried
to that location, not washed up there.

Charles Blai

In article <497@adimail.UUCP> tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) writes:
> >
> >In episode one, Harry and Cooper are in the elevator in the hospital,
> >just before meeting Dr Jacoby. When the elevator stops on that floor,
> >we see a very clear head shot of someone getting out before them
> >  Who is it?
> >
> >-- 
> >Terry Monks        Automata Design Inc    (703) 472-9400

You looked at the wrong part of his body. You should have looked at his arm,
or at least where his arm should have been. This is (I believe) the first
appearance of the One-armed man, although at this point we don't know he
is anyone of consequence.

--Brady

Upon watching the pilot for the second time I became disturbed. After
the pilot everyone in A.t.t-p was raving about how Lynch's direction
approached cinema verite--everyone took Laura's death in a more 'real
world' way than most TV.

I got the EEEEEEEEErie feeling that maybe the teacher, principal, and
a couple others were genuinely shocked but the vast majority of
characters seemed to be sad that she was gone but had EXPECTED it.

A few months back, someone posted a long & detailed summary of the first
season, which I forgot to save. Can some kind soul please repost it? Thanks.