Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990

|>  To: "Twin Peaks" discussion group
|>  From: Andrew Marvick
|>  Subject: Questions from a novitiate
|> 
...
|>    1.) Is there anything legible and significant written on the
|> last page of Laura's diary besides the line about being nervous
|> about meeting "J." that night? My video-recording of the brief
|> shot of the page is too low-res. to bring out the handwriting.

Ahh.  We stopped the tape last night to check this very thing. 
Unfortunately, the only other visible  entries just talk about typical
teenage things: "Met the gang..."  "Went jogging" etc.  The diary is
multiple-year, with horizontal sections for each year and the date on
the top.  The first entries were dated within February of 1988, the
second (and last) entries from 1989.  That was the only bit of interest
I could find.

|>    2.) Ditto for the shot of the personal ad in the flesh magazine
|> with Ronette: any other clues on that page?

Sorry, didn't check this one.  Maybe tonight...

|>    5.) When Cooper and Truman spot James and Donna returning to
|> town on James's motorbike, one says to the other: "It's not Joey,
|> it's James." Who is Joey?

Biker Joey was the dude who took Donna to meet James when the brawl
erupted.  Truman identified him as they left the Roadhouse.

|> -- Andrew Marvick

Hope this is of some interest to somebody...  =-)

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In article <1990Aug7.143022.23624@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Sorry if this has been already discussed.  Is there any significance
> >to (1) the body being found at a *rocky* beach [Audrey to Norweigans]
> >(2) The face not being all smashed up.  Presumably meaning body carried
> >to that location, not washed up there.

The question that I had while rewatching the first episode was just how
in the heck did Audrey know that she was face down on the beach?

It seems that this was a small bit of information that would not generally
be known by the public...


anyone have an answer?

-- Timothy Scott Storey-----------------------------------------Wizard Tim tstorey@wpi.wpi.edu "Don't think of me as harsh, think of me as population control."

Hi, don't want to sound completely stupid, but what's FTP? if it means sample
the sounds for cpu playback, I can do that, in fact my answering machine is
full of sampled TP sounds... Oh, did anyone notice in the rerun that in the
scene where they are in the high school hallway, there is a goofy kid doing
the "dwarf dance". I had,nt noticed before, is this dance something they
learned from American Bandstand?. If any one has as TP sound they want sampled,
let me know. Would need the format, and the sound on tape... I would also
be interested in analysing the dwarf scene sounds if anyone has an audio or
video tape of it (I don't)..

I just wanted to mention that while I was watching the pilot, I got
the feeling that some things were *slightly* different...like there
was stuff that I don't remember seeing in the original pilot...

Now, I have watched each episode *several* times (or at least had
the sound on in the background) while making some copies...so it
wasn't just 'haven't seen this one in a while'.

I'm sure that there *wasn't* anything new and that no tricky editing
has happened, but I will say that this element of 'newness' will
certainly keep my vcr running on Saturday nights!

Ann

> >I got the EEEEEEEEErie feeling that maybe the teacher, principal, and
> >a couple others were genuinely shocked but the vast majority of
> >characters seemed to be sad that she was gone but had EXPECTED it.

In the opening scenes of the movie, Laura's parents and Donna Hayward
actually KNOW that Laura is gone without ever actually being told.

In addition the opening shot is of Josie Packard, and she does not
look at all innocent as they discover the body.  She may not be the
murderer, but she is certainly not innocent.

In article <90219.222123CLFSI@CUNYVM.BITNET> CLFSI@CUNYVM (Fnord) writes:
> >In addition the opening shot is of Josie Packard, and she does not
> >look at all innocent as they discover the body.  She may not be the
> >murderer, but she is certainly not innocent.

Remember that in the final episodes, it becomes fairly obvious that Josie
hired Norma's husband to kill Josie's husband (presumably to get control
of the mill.)  He mentions being in jail for having killed a man drunk
driving, and implies that this was staged so nobody would get him for
the murder of Josie's husband. Since Norma's husband (the guy with the dice--
I've foorgotten his name) is linked with Leo and Jaques, I get the feeling
that she DOES know something about it.

On a slightly related topic, when Cooper was shot, I went through all of the
characters, trying to place them. Laura's father is killing Jaques, Leo's 
been shot, and Andy and Sheriff Truman are with him, Audrey and her father
are at One Eyed Jack's, Ms. Martel and Leo's wife are in the burining mill,
and Pete is rushing in to save her. James is (I think) in Jail. That eliminates
most of the main characters--everyone EXCEPT Josie. Interesting? I also
have found myself wondering exactly what she's doing seeing the sheriff
and why they keep it secret....

Jonah Stich
jonah@amos.ucsd.edu

   Who was the girl running screaming outside the high school classroom
just before Laura's death was announced?

In article <1990Aug8.131822.25388@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Who was the girl running screaming outside the high school classroom
> >just before Laura's death was announced?

I *think* she was one of the girls hanging out outside the principal's office
when Bobby finally showed up.

Liz

In article <19890.26bee507@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu (Bucky ate the cat!) writes:
> >Upon watching the pilot for the second time I became disturbed. After
> >a couple others were genuinely shocked but the vast majority of
> >characters seemed to be sad that she was gone but had EXPECTED it.


The girl with the red shoes even smiled at the announcement of the
announcement.

|In article <DHVHN6w163w@darkside.com> user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
|>eyeater@pbs.org writes:
|>IMPORTANT! INFORMATION NEEDED IN A HURRY!
|>
|>I'm going up to Seattle on THURSDAY and plan to make a one-day trip to
|>Snoqualmie just to get some pictures. I know some of you have been there

Take I-90 to North Bend.  Go left under the freeway and enter the
town.  The MAR-T Diner (a/k/a R&R) is on your right as you come into
town.  They sell TP goodies.  (So does nearly everyone else in North
Bend....)  From North Bend, follow the signs to Snoqualmie Falls.  The
huge log used in the opening credits is on your left near the railroad
tracks.  Just about 1/4 mile further are the railroad cars where
Cooper and Truman found the half-heart locket and the note.  Continue
west.  You'll see the Salish Lodge which was used for the exteriors of
the Great Northern Hotel.  Stop and look at Snoqualmie Falls if you've
a mind to.  Continue west to the town of Fall City.  As you enter Fall
City, bear left.  Directly ahead of you is a restaurant that was used
for the exterior of the roadhouse (the interiors were fillmed in
Seattle at the Timberline Tavern).  Continue on the road towards I-90.
In Preston, you'll see a kite shop on the left.  That was used for Big
Ed's Gas Farm.  You won't recognize it.  If you have time, turn around
and pass through Fall City.  At the bridge, bear left towards
Carnation.  In Carnation, you will pass an elementary school on the
north side of town.  This is the interior and exterior setting for the
Sherrif's Office.  

That's all........


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> >    5.) When Cooper and Truman spot James and Donna returning to
> > town on James's motorbike, one says to the other: "It's not Joey,
> > it's James." Who is Joey?

Joey is the guy who picked up Donna at the Road House and took
her to James.

-- Chan

In article <1990Aug7.143022.23624@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Sorry if this has been already discussed.  Is there any significance
> > to (1) the body being found at a *rocky* beach [Audrey to Norweigans]
> > (2) The face not being all smashed up.  Presumably meaning body carried
> > to that location, not washed up there.
> > 
> > Charles Blai
The body also appeared to be well out of the water.  When Josie and
Sheriff Truman are meeting later he mentions that it happened about 24 hours
ago.  The water looked at the same level when he said this as when
the body was found.  Either the level was higher when the body was
put in (and apparently no other time since?) or the body was carried
to where it was found.  Perhaps it was a "warning" to someone at the
house, or else someone at the house who was involved in the killing
thought that putting the body there would throw suspicion away from
him/her.
-Doug Elrod (L4oj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu, L4oj@CORNELLA.BITNET)

I have seen a couple of the net's favorite actors in new and (I think)
previously unidentified roles...

1) On HBO, they are running a bad movie called Crime Zone.  The luscious
and topless Sherilyn Fenn is one of the stars!  (For the uninitiated,
she is Audrey Horne on Twin Peaks.)

2) Last night, they showed Airplane on a local channel in New York.
Near the end, I saw Jonathan Banks in a very small role.  It was
definitely him, because I saw his name in the credits.

He's the guy holding a microphone, wearing headphones, and leaning
(toward the right of the screen) over a radar, describing the altitude
of the incoming plane.  He calls out some altitudes, like, "1100 feet,
700 feet, 900 feet...he's all over the place.  What an asshole!"

Watch for it, it's definitely him!

WHO: Evan L. Marcus"Hi, my name is Buddy, and this
WHAT: Sun Microsystems is my outfielder Darryl, and
WHERE: Saddle Brook, New Jersey, USA is my other outfielder Daryl."
HOW: marcus@neiman.East.Sun.COM       -- for Mets fans only

 It doesn't surpize me that the body was found intact. In Puget Sound
there's many islands etc. and the biggest "wave" you'll find is a small
swell from a passing ferry or fast moving pleasure boat.

 In fact one of the new class of ferries has to slow down in a certain
marine passage as the wake was destroying the clam beds and beaches.

        But there were no complaints about dead Prom Queens,

                                       Don


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In article <19890.26bee507@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu (Bucky ate the cat!) writes:
> >Upon watching the pilot for the second time I became disturbed. After
> >the pilot everyone in A.t.t-p was raving about how Lynch's direction
> >approached cinema verite--everyone took Laura's death in a more 'real
> >world' way than most TV.
> >
> >I got the EEEEEEEEErie feeling that maybe the teacher, principal, and
> >a couple others were genuinely shocked but the vast majority of
> >characters seemed to be sad that she was gone but had EXPECTED it.

I completely agree.  Does anybody recall that Laura's mother and father both
broke down into hysterics when all they knew was that Laura was MISSING???  A
great deal of concern would certainly be appropriate, but this seemed to be
going a little too far...

Norman

For all you Sherilynn Fenn Fans (say that 10 times fast...).

I was just watching a 21 Jump Street retrospective episode,
(you know, the kind where they stitch together scenes from lots
of episodes with a lame story) and they showed a scene from one of 
my favorite episodes -- the one where a girl tries to hire Hanson
(who is undercover) to kill her abusive father, who is also a cop.

Well, the girl comes on the screen and who should it be but 
Sherilynn.  Granted she's wearing more than in Two moon Junction,
but if you can find a copy of the episode, it's worth watching.



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In article <1990Aug9.002439.5728@agate.berkeley.edu> (Norman Danner) writes:
> >I completely agree.  Does anybody recall that Laura's mother and father both
> >broke down into hysterics when all they knew was that Laura was MISSING???  A
> >great deal of concern would certainly be appropriate, but this seemed to be
> >going a little too far...
> >
> >Norman

I *hate* to contradict you, Norman, but it was only Laura's mother who was
having hysterics before she heard about the death.  When she called Leland at
the Lodge, he tried to calm her down, reasoning that she was probably out
with Bobby.  

Mrs. Palmer's behavior is certainly weird, though...but the limited prescience
she seems to be displaying could have something to do with that....

Donald

Ciao-

I was wondering if there was anyone out there who would
be interested in getting together for a small party to
celebrate and view the season premier of Twin Peaks.
I live in Sacramento CA and would be willing to host a
party. If you maybe interested write back.

Also, next week is the premier of "Wild at Heart" is
there anyone in the Sacramento area who would be interested
in joining me to see the first showing?

sally a. wilson
sally@mica.berkeley.edu

In <26BDF2F1.26364@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >I understand that the original version of Dune was something like
> >6-8 hours long but had to be sliced to get it into to movie format.
> >Where can I find the original-length version?  I've been wondering
> >for some time now.

Also, it seems to me that I saw an ad, and read a note about a network
that had planned on airing _Dune_ as a mini series, which would last
something like 12 hours (probably commercials inclusive). That would
have been cool... I think it was ABC.

Eh?


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I saw Sherilyn Fenn in an early role, as a high school freshman type, in "One
of the Guys" on HBO last week.  She plays the little "slut" trying to make out
iwht the title character (who happens to be a girl masquarading as a boy in a
different high school) and then she ends up in bed with the girls younger
brother.  She really looks young in this movie.

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After watching the pilot again, I'm wondering who has or where is the
second key to the safe deposit box.  I don't think this was mentioned last 
season.  Does this imply a partner in the $10,000?  

[As the misplacement of the safe deposit key is a frequent occurrence
with us, I'm prone to notice this.]

I need help identifying the musical piece that kept 
repeating throughout the pilot episode.

It was basically two chords and it's been driving me
crazy.  The two chords sound like the introduction to
some song that's been on the radio.

Please help.
--
"She's making movies on location she don't know what it means"

Asya Kamskye-mail: asya@ux5.lbl.gov
(415)486-4697other:  Lawrence Berkeley Labs, 50/232

Somebody asked, ao I had to answer;  Blue Velvet, set in the
town of Lumberton, NC was *filmed in the town of Lumberton, Nc, although
the site is not a logging town as the setting was; it lies on the Lumber
River.  where the *river* got its name...

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

I'm looking for Twin Peaks related sound and image files in any format
for either the Mac or Unix machines. Does anyone know of any FTP sites
that have anything along these lines?

Thanks
Jesse Thorn
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu

Well, didja? I happened onto this by accident. It seems to be the
misadventures of a young Jewish doctor from NYC who somehow ends up
posted in Alaska (I think), in a village of Eskimos who seem largely
suspicious of modern medicine. Anyway, I was half watching it
(something about the flu and tribal remedies), when I looked up and
saw this huge waterfall. Three characters were standing on some kind
of observation deck with those mounted binoculars you see at scenic
overlooks on highways. The waterfall scene was accompanied by music
that sounded a lot like _Twin Peaks_ music. At first I thought it was
an advertisement. Then the music moves into something very much like
one of the songs Audrey was dancing to, the one with the finger snaps
in it. One of the characters on the observation deck asks the others
if they hear anything, and one responds, "Like this?" and starts
snapping her fingers. The third guy offers to get some coffee, and the
first guy asks if there are any doughnuts "or ... cherry pie". Then
the woman (I think) looks into the binoculars and apparently sees
a woman in the distance. She makes some remark and asks what the woman
is carrying. The guy who offered to get coffee said, "A log. Sorta
like a pet rock" or something pretty similar.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny. Does anyone know if this show
regularly does this sort of thing? I vaguely recall that ads for the
show bill it as "like _Twin Peaks_". I just figured it was an attempt
to cash in, and what I saw of the show didn't change my mind. It was
a pretty formulaic comedy. The main character reminded me more of
Myles Silverberg from _Murphy Brown_ than anyone in _Twin Peaks_.

Well, I'll shut up now. 
-- Mary


-- Mary Tabasko (no relation to the hot-sauce folks) Snail Mail: 371 S. Negley Ave., Apt. 5 MaBellNet: 412/362-0544 Pittsburgh, PA 15232-1110 E-Mail: mctst@unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu /or/ tabasko@idis.lis.pittsburgh.edu

 on the Local News Channel (11), I caught the last part of a News Tidbit on 
the Show. They also said (If this hadn't been brought up before) that coming 
soon were: The Diary, the Soundtrack, and the Tapes that Cooper has been 
making for Diane.

 Interesting, especially the last item...

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Just finished watching the latest _Northern_Exposure_ episode, and I'm
liking it more and more.

While watching it last night, the following thought came to mind:

1st, some slight background...  After having missed the first episode of
Twin Peaks, I declined watching anymore until re-run season, lest I miss
out on what was going on [coincidentally, I missed episode #1 of Northern
Exposure -- go figure], so I paid little attention to Twin Peaks articles,
only gleaning little bits and pieces of info here and there.  One article
in particular I remember was from a poster in Seattle, who was under the
impression that he'd stumbled upon the filming of an episode one day.  The
memory is fuzzy, but I recall it being about shutting down a section of
road, doing something weird to it (coloring it?), and his reactions to the
crew.  They wouldn't confirm to him whether or not they were indeed filming
TP, but he left knowing that it was indeed a television episode of SOMETHING
they were filming.  He never did see any of the TP actors, either.

[Red lights flashing -- sirens blasting -- there be SPOILERS ahead, mate!]
SPOILERS!         SPOILERS!         SPOILERS!       SPOILERS!      SPOILERS!
















In last week's episode, "they" laid down astroturf all along a roadbed, in
order to play golf.  Immediately, that old story came to mind, as I have
recently read that BOTH series were filmed in Seattle.  If you are the
original poster, or if you're a Twin Peaks viewer, who read that post and
then noticed the episode being aired [ONE would confirm my suspicion, the
other would deny it], OR if you just have an opinion on what may have
happened, I'd like to hear about it.  It seems as if this MUST be what happened.

In fact, if you feel like sending me mail [Hey, man.  Read your post], go
ahead, I'm afraid my posts never get out!  So, email or post as you see fit.


Joshua

Just finished watching the latest _Northern_Exposure_ episode, and I'm
liking it more and more.

After having missed the first (orignal, first-season first-run) episode of
Twin_Peaks, I declined watching anymore until re-run season, lest I miss
out on what was going on [coincidentally, I missed episode #1 of Northern_
Exposure -- go figure], so I paid little attention to Twin_Peaks articles,
only gleaning little bits and pieces of info here and there.  One article
in particular I remember was from a poster in Seattle, who was under the
impression that he'd stumbled upon the filming of an episode one day.  The
memory is fuzzy, but I recall it being about shutting down a section of
road, doing something weird to it (coloring it?), and his reactions to the
crew.  They wouldn't confirm to him whether or not they were indeed filming
TP, but he left knowing that it was indeed a television episode of SOMETHING
they were filming.  He never did see any of the TP actors, either.

[Red lights flashing -- sirens blasting -- there be SPOILERS ahead, mate!]
SPOILERS!         SPOILERS!         SPOILERS!       SPOILERS!      SPOILERS!














While watching Northern_Exposure last week, I began to wonder...

In last week's episode, "they" laid down astroturf all along a roadbed, in
order to play golf.  Immediately, that old story came to mind, as I have
recently read that BOTH series were filmed in Seattle.  If you are the
original poster, or if you're a Twin_Peaks viewer, who read that post and
then noticed the episode being aired [ONE would confirm my suspicion, the
other would deny it], OR if you just have an opinion on what may have
happened, I'd like to hear about it.  It seems as if this MUST be what happened.

In fact, if you feel like sending me mail [Hey, man.  Read your post], go
ahead, I'm afraid my posts never get out!  So, email or post as you see fit.


Joshua

Some info I got in the mail:

Twin Peaks Gazette
Quaterly Newsletter:  $8/year

Steve Ryan
1557 Avenida Selva
Fullerton, CA 92633

News, info, and forum.

I am not connected with this Newsletter in any way; just posting for your info.

If anybody does send off for this, let us know what it is like, ok?


-- Ron Chrisley chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Xerox PARC SSL New College Palo Alto, CA 94304 Oxford OX1 3BN, UK (415) 494-4728 (865) 793-484

It was pretty amazing.  When they started panning down the waterfall,
I said to myself, "Self, this music sounds pretty familiar."  The rest
of the scene was wonderful, especially given the fact that Northern
Exposure is on CBS, not ABC.

NE is a pretty good show, well above average.  As a quick introduction,
it's about a small town in Alaska.  One of the main character is
Joel Fleischman, a young Jewish doctor from New York who is working off
his medical school loans by practicing in Alaska.  Watch it...

Win TreeseCambridge Research Lab
treese@crl.dec.comDigital Equipment Corp.

I meant to record the pilot episode last night, but my roommate changed
the channel on my cable box during the middle of the day.  Grrr.

So....

I'm willing to fork out $15 to anyone who can provide me with a VHS
copy of the Twin Peaks pilot episode.  I don't care whether or not
it has commercials edited.

If you are interested, please contact:  (oh no, a real name!)
David Potter
(408) 295-5062

If you read this message after August 15, 1990, then it's a pretty good
bet that someone else has already responded, so save your phone bill.

Thanks!
Quantum Cheerios

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                                        :    that I didn't like!
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Actually, when Pete calls HArry & tells him
"She's dead, wrapped in plastic" we here Harry saying
"The dock below the dam."  This implies that the shore
                    ^^^
is of a river.  Now, if this dam generates power
hydroelectrically, (& how many dams nowadays don't?)
then the flow rate would be highest in the afternoon
& evening, so the waterlevel below the dam would
probably peak about 10pm-12 midnight, & then subside
until power consumption goes up again later that
morning.
On another note, in the school hallway just
before Audrey changes her shoes, there is a babble
of voices as Donna is walking up.  I can't be sure,
but I thought I heard two+ different voices saying
"Laura.." something.  Has anyone tried to filter
this noise & hear what's going on.
& on yet another subject, what ever happened
to Laura's cat?  The diary entry for Feb. 8th(?) 1988
says "Kitty got a new collar today."  Hmmm... could
it be irrelevant?  Naaah..

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

Ah, but Cooper did ask about someone whose name begins
with the letter 'J'- & Bobby responds with 'No- she wouldn't
do that to me.'  This implies that from the 'J' comment 
Bobby figures out who it was, i.e. Hurley.  That Hurley
is also a biker is the source of his 'some biker' comment
to Mike.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

From: Greg Sandell <sandell@ferret.ils.nwu.edu>


After talking with somebody who says Audrey WAS indeed smiling in
class during the announcement over the P.A. of Laura's death,
whereas I said she WASN'T, I went and checked my video tape of
the pilot rerun.  Here's the verdict...

Audrey does not appear on camera during the P.A. announcement...
not once!  As for any other Audrey appearances in class:  she
does indeed smile when her name is called by the teacher (she says
"here" while making quote mark signs with her hands).  The
other shot of her is :w

From: seans@morpheus.WV.TEK.COM (Sean Sheedy;;;;)
> >Does anyone have any thoughts on the significance (or lack thereof) of the
> >mounted buck's head lying on the table when Agent Cooper and Sheriff Truman
> >open Laura's safe deposit box?  The only thing I've come up with is a bad pun.

Obviously, the buck stopped there. :-)

(Pause for groans and ritual barking)

> >Sean Sheedy

Gary W. Olson     (34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET)    Central Michigan University
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From: George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account)
> >        & on yet another subject, what ever happened
> >to Laura's cat?  The diary entry for Feb. 8th(?) 1988
> >says "Kitty got a new collar today."  Hmmm... could
> >it be irrelevant?  Naaah..

Considering the kind of establishment Benjamin Horne runs, I wouldn't be
surprised if "Kitty" was in fact human.  (Ok, no wisecracks about the
location of my mind in a waste entrance portal...)

> >"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"        Ge|ge

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From: Greg Sandell <sandell@ferret.ils.nwu.edu>


(Whoops, my first version of this post got truncated...)


After talking with somebody who says Audrey WAS indeed smiling in
class during the announcement over the P.A. of Laura's death,
whereas I said she WASN'T, I went and checked my video tape of
the pilot rerun.  Here's the verdict...

Audrey does not appear on camera during the P.A. announcement...
not once!  As for any other Audrey appearances in class:  she
does indeed smile when her name is called by the teacher (she says
"here" while making quote mark signs with her hands).  But this
is before anybody has any hint of the tragedy.  The
ONLY other shot of her is after the P.A. announcement, while
Donna is loudly crying, Audrey looks around to her right.  She's
not showing any grief, that's true, but she's not smiling. The
feeling I get from this scene is that she doesn't care so much
about Laura dying but that she IS very interested in the
reaction it's getting from other people.

I think that her absense of grief is in such strong contrast 
to the others around her, that viewers have stored the memory
as Audrey smiling even though she wasn't.

However, there is the chance that the scene was edited between
the original showing and the rerun.  As I said, my copy is of
the rerun.  Can anybody with the original re-view it and
REALLY determine if Audrey ever smiles?

I thought that there was at least one other thing changed
between original broadcast and the re-broadcast.  When
Audrey walks in on the Norwegians and spoils the deal by
announcing Laura's death, I thought I remember her saying
something like "Do you know how that makes a person feel??",
but she didn't say that this time.  Also I don't remember that
goofy, Laurel-and-Hardy-like music that played through the
scene the second time as being present the first time.

Also, I though the scene where Cooper pulls out the "R"
from Laura's fingernail was longer than it was the 2nd
time.  But maybe I have the memory of that scene stored
differently!

Greg Sandell

In article <10749@accuvax.nwu.edu>, sandell@ferret.ils.nwu.edu writes:
> >After talking with somebody who says Audrey WAS indeed smiling in
> >class during the announcement over the P.A. of Laura's death,
> >whereas I said she WASN'T, I went and checked my video tape of
> >the pilot rerun.  Here's the verdict...
> >Audrey does not appear on camera during the P.A. announcement...
> >not once!  As for any other Audrey appearances in class:  she
> >does indeed smile when her name is called by the teacher (she says
> >"here" while making quote mark signs with her hands).  The
> >other shot of her is :w
 
  Sorry, but she does. I've watched the pilot twice and I have it on tape.
She smiles when the kids in the classroom and the teacher start to react,
just before the PA announcement.
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OK first time Twin Peakers, I was sure that the person picking
up the necklace could only be Joey (James' friend); so, how
did Dr. Jacoby get it?  Jacoby was obviously close to Laura but
what's the connection.

-- John Coffman

   Possible explanation of zoom-in on Laura's eye:  isn't it the case that
contracted pupils are sometimes a sign of drug addiction?  James (taking the
video) was trying to get Laura off drugs, and wanted to check on her.

   This fits in with a theory I had that Laura was abducted on the night of
her death by the Bookhouse boys (local vigilante anti-drug group) to be held
somewhere for a cold-turkey treatment.  She was then killed (possibly follow-
ing a fake rescue) by some of her drug-dealing associates at a time when none
of the Bookhouse boys were around, leaving each of them to suspecto one of 
the others.

Charles Blair

I spotted The Man From Another Place walking down Broadway at 76th Street
yesterday, in conversation with a tall* fat guy.  It's funny to think of
him existing in the real world.  If I only I'd been walking myself instead
of passing in a bus...

Joe

* Of course, almost everybody looks tall next to TMFAP.

I saw that too.  The only parallels I can draw between Twin Peaks and
Northern Exposure are that both take place in small towns that are 
no where near major cities, and both are well done.

Northern Exposure has done some other things which alude to other 
TV shows.  


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ok, someone may have asked this before and i just didnt read it
but does anyone know or can anyone find out which
halves of the necklace heart do the various people have.
for example: does dr. jacobi necessarily have the OTHER half
of the heart that was on the mound of dirt in the train?
and did her secret boyfriend(which i cant remember his name right now
sorry) who burried it with whats her name in the woods in the first episode
have the other half as well.
is it possible that jacobi knew on the secret meeting place in the woods
and stole it after they left? or is it that laura just handed out
a whole lot of heart halves like we are led to believe?

if anyone knows, or knows what im asking please respond
thanks.

jonathan prince

Actually in last weeks Northern Exposure episode there was a very amusing
reference to TP.  The doctor and his fiancee were at a (supposedly) very
beautiful vantage point.  It probably would have been great except for the fog.
Then you start hearing this strange music then fingers snapping.  The
characters say, "do you hear that?"  "What you mean this: <sound of snapping 
fingers>".  Then they look through the tourist telescope. "Say there's a lady 
down there.  Why is she carrying that log?"...

I may not have the quotes exactly right, but you get the picture.

--
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wherry@alazif.enet.dec.com |     e luce ad tenebras.

>> >>I interpreted that as an "At last something *exciting* happens in this
>> >>Godforsaken little town" smile.  After all, she and Laura weren't close; why
>> >>waste time grieving when you could be screwing over your father?
> > 
> > actually -- and this has been touched on here before -- i think it is likely
> > that Laura and her father were involved.  Maybe it is his guilt over driving
> > Laura to drugs and wild sex that causes him to snuff the French guy later
> > on in the hospital.

Huh? I'm confused. Leland Palmer (Laura's father) kills Jacque. Benjamin
Horne presumably is the one you're referring to as "driving Laura to
drugs and wild sex". They look a lot alike, but...

-- Chan

In article <11228@odin.corp.sgi.com>, gferg@hoop.csd.sgi.com (Greg Ferguson) writes...
> >Along the same lines:
> > 
> >TP t-shirts
> >TP cherry pies
> >TP doughnuts(?) 
> >       Well, maybe not doughnuts...

But what about t-shirts?  And then, of course, the requisite bootleg shirts:

"Black Laura", "Air Palmer", "RastaLogLady"...  The list goes on and on...

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In article <38060@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> kube@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Kubasak) writes:
> >In article <1990Aug9.002439.5728@agate.berkeley.edu> (Norman Danner) writes:
>> >>I completely agree.  Does anybody recall that Laura's mother and father both
>> >>broke down into hysterics when all they knew was that Laura was MISSING???  A
...
> >I *hate* to contradict you, Norman, but it was only Laura's mother who was
> >having hysterics before she heard about the death.  When she called Leland at
> >the Lodge, he tried to calm her down, reasoning that she was probably out
> >with Bobby.  


Actually, we don't know how/when her mother guessed she was dead (and
not just missing etc), but we know her dad guessed with out being
told.  Remember -- He's on the phone with his wife, and see's that
Sherif Truman is looking for him.  Mr Palmer says "Is this about
Laura?" and when Harry nods Mr. Palmer starts to lose it and drops
the phone, Mrs. Palmer is now screeming, and *then* when Ben Horne
walks in Mr. Palmer says (something like) "My Daughter is dead"

..brandyt.

In article <6435@helios.ee.lbl.gov> asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) writes:

> >I need help identifying the musical piece that kept 
> >repeating throughout the pilot episode.

> >It was basically two chords and it's been driving me
> >crazy.  The two chords sound like the introduction to
> >some song that's been on the radio.

I hear it as A and F#m.

Marty
-- Your pal, Marty Stevens + martyst@sco.COM + ...!{uunet,ucscc}!sco!martyst "The passage of my life is measured out in shirts." -- Brian Eno, "King's Lead Hat"

Last Friday my wife and I finally made connections with
Scott Frost for a guided tour of the studios in Van Nuys.
It's an ex-warehouse, and I think it's pretty large but it's
so crammed full of sets that it's hard to be sure.  Naturally
we were pretty stoked about being able to stalk the halls of
the Great Northern, hang out in the RR, inspect the gash Leo
left in his furniture when he tried to kill Bobby with an axe,
and all that stuff -- BTW, he swung that axe pretty hard.

The biggest new set, which is still under construction, is a
permanent set for the interior of the Roadhouse.  Blackie's
office has been made permanent, instead of being a cruder
tear-down.  I think Harry Truman's office is really nifty, but
won't spoil the viewing by divulging details -- stay tuned and
check it out!

The one thing we didn't see was Cooper's room (315) at the
Great Northern -- it was locked.  Scott tried to claim it's
been sealed since he was shot, but I suspect it might contain
something that could be a giveaway for a plot twist (who killed
Laura?).

Secrecy is a BIG DEAL on this show.  Scott said only 5 people
know positively who killed Laura; from something else he said
it seems safe to infer that he's one of the 5, but his lips
are zipped. He won't even divulge secrets to Kiva, his dog.

Scott himself has shifted from American Chronicles to Twin
Peaks.  He was due to submit the script for episode #8 (of
the new season) today, and prior to that wrote the script
for "The Diane Tapes".  These include new material, beyond
the pieces of dictation we saw Cooper do in the show.

Friday they were shooting on location for episode 3.  Last season
we identified one key location as Malibu Creek State Park;
a couple other local locations are somewhere in the Angeles Crest
area and at a hospital.

Another word from Scott:  "The script for this season's pilot
is the best one we've ever had.  It'll be interesting to see
how much of the script survived David's on the spot improvising...
[dropping into a Lynch dialect...] 'I have a great idea...'".

It sounds like noone can predict what David Lynch will come up
with, probably including Lynch himself.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@unify.com

In article <1823.26c66b8a@spacm1.uucp> audit038@spacm1.uucp writes:
> >OK first time Twin Peakers, I was sure that the person picking
> >up the necklace could only be Joey (James' friend); so, how
> >did Dr. Jacoby get it?  Jacoby was obviously close to Laura but
> >what's the connection.
> >
> >-- 
> >John Coffman


   Ok, I'm a second-go-'round TP'er, so excuse my lack of knowledge of
anything after episode II.  However, on this point, there is an
alternate explanation of Dr. Jacoby having the "half-heart" necklace.
Those things are rather common, and all match the same way.  As long
as Laura is seeing more than one guy, why not "give her heart" to more
than one?  Each one of them sees her half and thinks it matches only
his, and I dare say that James and Dr. Jacoby don't travel in the same
circles, so there's little risk of them finding out.

   Which would, of course, leave open the question who _did_ pick up
James' necklace?

-Gary
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In article  <1990Aug14.022924.1437@portia.Stanford.EDU>  garygm@portia.Stanford.EDU (Gary Brainin) writes:
> >   Ok, I'm a second-go-'round TP'er, so excuse my lack of knowledge of
> >anything after episode II.  However, on this point, there is an
> >alternate explanation of Dr. Jacoby having the "half-heart" necklace.
> >Those things are rather common, and all match the same way.  As long
> >as Laura is seeing more than one guy, why not "give her heart" to more
> >than one?  Each one of them sees her half and thinks it matches only
> >his, and I dare say that James and Dr. Jacoby don't travel in the same
> >circles, so there's little risk of them finding out.

Both Dr. Jacoby and James keep their half-hearts on identical
leather thongs? I suppose it's possible, but unlikely. However,
the presence of the _gold_ half heart necklace in the last episode
does raise interesting questions about this whole subject. I refuse
to answer them due to the probability of being embarrassed in
7 weeks when all this is cleared up.


--
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with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <1823.26c66b8a@spacm1.uucp> audit038@spacm1.uucp (John Coffman)
writes:

# I was sure that the person picking
# up the necklace could only be Joey (James' friend); so, how
# did Dr. Jacoby get it?  Jacoby was obviously close to Laura but
# what's the connection.

# John Coffman

I would not dismiss the possibility that there was more than one necklace.
Either that, or Joey gave the necklace to Jacoby.

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(This probably isn't the right newsgroup for this thread, apologies!)

In article <26BDF2F1.26364@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J.
Vickers) writes:
> >I understand that the original version of Dune was something like
> >6-8 hours long but had to be sliced to get it into to movie format.
> >Where can I find the original-length version?  I've been wondering
> >for some time now.

  Frank Herbert wrote about the film Dune in the introduction to a
short-story compilation of his called 'Eye'.  Basically he said that
about 5 hours were filmed, of which only 2 made it to the cinemas.
_Some_ of the scenes/plotlines that were filmed and were then cut are:

o Stilgar spitting on Leto's desk (gift of water)

o Relationship between the Shadout Mapes and Jessica

o Relationship between Paul and Chani

o Paul killing Javid and his grief at the funeral

o Elaboration on Kynes, and no explanation of melange's role in
society

o Relationships between Paul and his tutors: Duncan, Thufir, Gurney
and Yueh

o Death of Thufir Hawat

o Harah's relationship to Paul

o Scenes with Jessica and RM Mohiam on Caladan, and lots of
explanations of the Bene Gesserits

  Dino (de Laurentiis) and his daughter Raffaella have talked about
restoring the out-takes and making a mini-series.  This may happen
because Dino wanted a longer film all along.

  There's more info in Ed Naha's book "The Making of Dune", and in
Harlan Ellison's 2-part essay in "magazine of Fantasy and Science
Fiction", neither of which I have read.

   Chris

-- Chris Ridd, Computer Science, Birmingham Uni, UK -- RiddCJ@Cs.Bham.Ac.Uk --

"'It's going to look pretty good, then, isn't it,' said War testily, 'the One
Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocralypse.'" - Sourcery

   Maybe Jacoby just happened to be in the area where necklace was buried
for some reason which will be revealed in later episodes.  Harry said something
to Cooper about only way to get to that location while they were waiting for
Donna and James to reappear.

> > HOWEVER, if the video camera were focused on Laura's eye
> > in a 'super-closeup', any reflection would be out of focus. 
.-.
|H|ow about looking at the episode?  Laura's eye and face were not
`-' in focus.
    <_Jym_>

In article <1990Aug7.143022.23624@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Sorry if this has been already discussed.  Is there any significance
> > to (1) the body being found at a *rocky* beach [Audrey to Norweigans]
> > (2) The face not being all smashed up.  Presumably meaning body carried
> > to that location, not washed up there.
> > 

-----

Sorry for dragging this on a little while longer, but please bear
with yet another comment.  Isn't it possible that whoever was doing
whatever with Laura's body was startled by the folks from Norway (how
the hell do you spell Norweigen???) when they went on their early
morning run.  The runners didn't see anything, but they were probably
quite audible, and possibly would have frightened Laura's
killer(s?) away from doing whatever s/he originally planned.

Just a thought.

Norman

A friend of mine who works for Blockbuster Video told
me that they (Blockbuster) had picked up the exclusive
United States video rights for the European theatrical
Twin Peaks finale thing with Killer Bob et al and that
it should be out shortly.

Let's hope this info is accurate.

(well I guess it's no real big loss if it doesn't actually
come out, right?)

paul

cjr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Chris Ridd <RiddCJ>) writes:

> >(This probably isn't the right newsgroup for this thread, apologies!)

I think this group should be alt.david.lynch instead of twin peaks.

> >In article <26BDF2F1.26364@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J.
> >Vickers) writes:
>> >>I understand that the original version of Dune was something like
>> >>6-8 hours long but had to be sliced to get it into to movie format.
>> >>Where can I find the original-length version?  I've been wondering
>> >>for some time now.

Dune was pretty weak in some areas but I think it is probably the most
perverse and subversive Lynch film. You have this messiah who
essentially becomes a hermaphodite when he drinks the water of life.
The mood and Lynch's alteration of the story is great. It is just
those holes in the story that make it "bad".

> >  Frank Herbert wrote about the film Dune in the introduction to a
> >short-story compilation of his called 'Eye'.  Basically he said that
> >about 5 hours were filmed, of which only 2 made it to the cinemas.
> >_Some_ of the scenes/plotlines that were filmed and were then cut are:

The really pathetic thing about Frank Herbert's ultimate contribution
to Dune was the TV version which added a whole lot of meaningless
garbage. He narrated it and they added little paintings of the
"important" things that did not make it onto celluloid. Eck.  At least
the original Dune, with all of its flaws, could be taken seriously.

In some ways it was nice to see the extra footage (about 30 min) but
the overall effect of his narration and the cheezy paintings destroyed
the mood of the film.

--
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It seems to me that the relationship between Laura & Jacoby was
much "kinkier" than most suspect.  He was seeing her "professionally"
but maybe SHE was the professional.  Remember the tape that she
made for him?  There was this very teasing talk about "getting
lost in the woods."  I think they played some kind of kinky game
in the woods, where Laura would get lost and Jacoby would "find"
her.  Jacoby probably knows those woods well.  And he may have
been out there as a result of listening to the tape she left
him.  

Any comments or ideas on this from fellow netters?

Hi, guys. About Leland and Sarah's revelation that Laura was dead, I
think that David Lynch did an excellent job in building the tension and
not bluntly revealing the facts. My interpretation is that, while Leland
was still saying "Maybe she's out with Bobby. . ." and Sarah has just
exhausted her last possibility(maybe she went with Leland. . .), the
realization that something is terribly wrong hits Sarah first (Mother's
intuition?) and quickly spreads to Leland.  Any fears they had of the
worst possible scenario are confirmed when Harry shows up looking for
Leland.  Leland mentions Harry's arrival to Sarah over the phone, at
which point she correctly infers that something is terribly wrong. And
I think that the actor who plays Harry (forgive me, I'm terrible with names)
did a brilliant job of expressing, and confirming what Leland was praying
not to have happened, just in his eyes and his face. (As Agent Cooper
noted, his body language really does give him away. . .) I don't think
anyone needed to be psychic to know what was going on.

Love and chocolate bunnies, (Snowshoe, perhaps?)
gWEN

In article <1990Aug13.143247.27934@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Possible explanation of zoom-in on Laura's eye:  isn't it the case that
> >contracted pupils are sometimes a sign of drug addiction?

Nope. Pupils dilate or contract while under the influence of
this drug or that, but not at all times in the user's life.

Marty
-- Your pal, Marty Stevens + martyst@sco.COM + ...!{uunet,ucscc}!sco!martyst "The passage of my life is measured out in shirts." -- Brian Eno, "King's Lead Hat"

Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
's body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's telling
that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?
Robin Y.

In article <107244@tiger.oxy.edu>, eclipse@oxy (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
> >Hi, guys. About Leland and Sarah's revelation that Laura was dead, I
> >think that David Lynch did an excellent job in building the tension and
> >not bluntly revealing the facts. My interpretation is that, while Leland
> >was still saying "Maybe she's out with Bobby. . ." and Sarah has just
> >exhausted her last possibility(maybe she went with Leland. . .), the
> >realization that something is terribly wrong hits Sarah first (Mother's
> >intuition?) and quickly spreads to Leland.

There's a line in one of Agatha Christie's novels (Which one?  I have
no idea.) in which Hercule Poirot explains how he solves a murder: he
gets to know the victim.  Once he understands well enough who the
victim was, and why it was inevitable that he died, he says that the
victim himself will reveal the name of the killer.

It's already clear in the first episode, and becomes even clearer
later on, that Laura's death was inevitable because of who she was and
what she was involved in.  (The clearest expression of this, I think,
is the conversation in the penultimate episode between Jacoby and
Bobbie.)

Did Laura's parents understand anything about who she was, or did they
think she was a sweet, clean-cut teenager?  I think that they must, at
least, have had suspicions; if that's so, then their terror becomes
much easier to understant.

(Additionally, Sarah Palmer really is psychic.  Her vision at the end
of the first episode is an indication of that, and certain later
events can be explained no other way.)
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In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu (Robin) writes:
> >Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
> >'s body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's telling
> >that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
> >sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?
> >Robin Y.

This has been mentioned before, I believe (or at least something similar).
Pete couldn't tell HST that Laura was dead, because he didn't know who the girl
was. Remember, she was face down wrapped in plastic and her identity wasn't
revealed until after Truman turns her over. It is possible that Pete knows or
suspects who the victim is, since he says "she's dead", which sounds to me
like he is talking about someone in particular. But he also appears to be 
surprised when he finds out who "she" is. Personally, I don't think he knew
who was dead until HST turns the body over, but that's just a feeling ...

--Brady

In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> Robin <R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
> >s body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's telling
> >that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
> >sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?


Don't forget, the body was face down, so while Pete could be identified as
female, it is unlikely that Pete knew who it was. 

After all, even when Dr. Hayward (no relation) and the sheriff checked
out the scene and photographed the body, they still where surprised to
find out it was Laura when they turned the body over.
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In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu (Robin) writes:
> >Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
> >'s body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's telling
> >that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
> >sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?
> >Robin Y.

But Pete doesn't know.  If you'll remember, the police showed up, Andy took
pictures of the body face-down, from all angles, and THEN they turned it over
and found out who it was, at which point the doctor says "My God!  It's Laura"
or something to that effect, and the sheriff says something like "Laura Palmer."
So it seems that Pete didn't know it was Laura Palmer, so he couldn't tell the
sheriff, and the sheriff didn't know until they uncovered the face.

-Kristy

 One of THE LD Dealers at Most Sci Fi/Japanese Animation Dealers told me 
something about Twin Peaks... He Complained (As some Video Buffs with only 
VCR's do) about the releasal of a CAV ( :) !) 4-hour Pilot. THe LD is 
expected out soon, and he hasn't heard about the Tape, only about the LD...
Gee, get some Great DIgitized Pics from THat one! :)

Be Seeing You.
                                -The Prisoner

In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu (Robin) writes:
> >Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
> >'s body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's telling
> >that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
> >sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?
> >Robin Y.

You're missing an important point.  Harry doesn't know it is Laura until
he arrives at the scene, and examines the body.  Remember all he tells
Lucy as he leaves is that a body has been found.  


-- Bill Wagner USPS net: Cimage Corporation Internet: wags@cimage.com 3885 Research Park Dr. AT&Tnet: (313)-761-6523 Ann Arbor MI 48108

Come on you guys!  Don't be so harsh on Dune.  It was the movie version
of thestory that was so cheesy!  I didn't know it until someone mentioned
it here that David Lynch had directed it. Now I'm thoroughly disapointed.
If you have any criticisms of the story in the Movie, read the book and
realise that the original story and the movie only have maybe a few
characters in common.  Not much else.  Jeez!  And you will understand after
reading the book, why the story came out so lame in a two hour flick.
It really should be done in an eight hour saga.
Love and cappuccino,
gWEN

In article <23711@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> kristyp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson) writes:
> >In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu> R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu (Robin) writes:
>> >>Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding 
>> >>Laura's body he says something like "she's dead".  Unless Lynch cuts Pete's 
>> >>telling that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention 
>> >>here) the sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching
>> >>it too far?
> >
> >But Pete doesn't know.  If you'll remember, the police showed up, Andy took
> >pictures of the body face-down, from all angles, and THEN they turned it over
> >and found out who it was, at which point the doctor says "My God!  It's Laura"
> >or something to that effect, and the sheriff says something like "Laura 
> >Palmer."  So it seems that Pete didn't know it was Laura Palmer, so he 
> >couldn't tell the sheriff, and the sheriff didn't know until they uncovered 
> >the face.

(Sorry if I mis-remember, as I'm seeing Twin Peaks for the first time as it
   is re-run over the summer)

What puzzled me about Pete Martell's discovery of Laura's body is that, when
   he called Sheriff Truman with his discovery, the Sheriff never asked who
   exactly was "dead; wrapped in plastic."

This could be another instance of bits being omitted to preserve the mood
   (see the earlier discussion on whether Sheriff Truman actually told
   Mr. Palmer, "Laura's dead."), but it seems rather odd that Harry would rush
   off to the mill without even asking the identity of the corpse.

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This has been requested quite a few times before, but I thought I'd jump on 
the bandwagon anyway...

If anyone out there has any TP sounds (for the mac, in my case) let yourself
be known!!  My Mac is dying to talk like Lucy and Coop (not to mention Laura)
and if anyone has *any* mac TP sounds, send 'em to me or post them so
we can all share the wealth.  Also, if anyone has the hardware to sample
sounds, go at it!

Thanks .................................................!
sean
(scd@einstein.bgsu.edu or sduncan@barney.bgsu.edu)

In article <90227.194138R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu>, R2Y@psuvm.psu.edu (Robin) writes:
> >Has anyone else noticed that when Pete calls up the sheriff after finding Laura
> >'s body he says something like "she's dead".
 
Yes.
 
> >Unless lynch cuts pete's telling
> >that he found Laura Palmer (which seems awfully important to mention here) the
 
He didn't.
 
> >sheriff already knows who is going to be dead.  Is this stretching it too far?
 
Yes.
 
You'll notice that the sherrif *does* ask Pete who is dead.
You'll notice that Pete doesn't just say "Oh look, a corpse. How interesting."
He's pretty surprised, shocked, and nervous. 
 
And finally, there's the fact that Pete  didn't know who it was either. Just
that it was some female...
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In article <107449@tiger.oxy.edu> eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
> >Come on you guys!  Don't be so harsh on Dune.  It was the movie version
> >of thestory that was so cheesy!  I didn't know it until someone mentioned

Agreed.  Dune was one of the longest, dullest, most superficial pieces of
visually-overdressed eye garbage ever put on film.  And, believe it or not,
I don't mean that as a criticism.  I don't think any film crew could do
justice to a story of that scope in less than eight or ten hours.  Frankly,
I've never read the book.  But watching the movie convinced me that some-
where in all those colorful, overstuffed sets and costumes was a rich and
engrossing story.  But it sure didn't come out in those short couple of
hours on film.

But what do I know...

Doug

> >In article <107449@tiger.oxy.edu> eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
>> >>Come on you guys!  Don't be so harsh on Dune.  It was the movie version
>> >>of the story that was so cheesy!  I didn't know it until someone mentioned

droesch@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Doug Roesch) writes:
> >Agreed.  Dune was one of the longest, dullest, most superficial pieces of
> >visually-overdressed eye garbage ever put on film.  And, believe it or not,
> >I don't mean that as a criticism.  I don't think any film crew could do
> >justice to a story of that scope in less than eight or ten hours.

You are both assuming that when somebody makes a film based on a book
that they intend to do the book justice. It is nearly always the case
that when somebody tries to be a strict as possible about a literal
interpretation of a book they fail miserably. An excellent example is
that of all the directors who tried to make movies from Stephen King
novels. The only decent ones were Stand By Me and The Shining which
were not particularly faithful to the original books.

I do, however, agree that Dune was too short. What I take issue with
is whether or not Dune was "bad" because it wasn't enough like the
book. Face it, books and film are media of vastly different
temperatures and direct translation from one to the other just doesn't
work well. Also, anyone who has read a book before they go to the
movie will surely find a literal translation less than satisfying.

Chris
--
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> >You are both assuming that when somebody makes a film based on a book
> >that they intend to do the book justice. It is nearly always the case

I'm not 'assuming' anything of the sort.  Let's make the (explicit, this
time) assumption that the book never existed.  Is the movie now better
because it is no longer 'a literal interpretation' of a book that has
'fail[ed] miserably'?  No, it's still bad, because it substitutes set
dressing and special effects for a richer, more involving story that is
clearly lurking in the background.  As I mentioned in my original message
I haven't even read the book (explicit assumption lifted now), and the
movie is still overinflated and without substance.

I'm wondering if anyone else noticed the hint David Lynch gives us as to
who is Sandy's ( Laura Dern ) favourite moviestar in "Blue Velvet"?
Why did Lynch use this star? There must be a reason! Any ideas?
Michel Hafner

David Lynch in a recent interview
on the subject of who killed Laura Palmer. 

  "I can't even think about it now,
   because some of you may be mindreaders,
   and even if I think about it..."

  "The worst thing that can happen is to know 
   the answer to that riddle.  People want to 
   know right up until they know, and then 
   they're satisfied.  For about a minute.
   That's when the deadly depression sets in.
   Yet if you string people along for too long,
   they become angry and frustrated.
   So it's a no-win situation."

Quotes found in the "San Jose Mercury News",
Friday, August 17, 1990.


Tom Jack
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> >From: pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward)
> >Subject: Re: sheriff finding out about laura
> >
> >Don't forget, the body was face down, so while Pete could be identified as
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >female, it is unlikely that Pete knew who it was.
^^^^^^^

I don't know, he looked pretty masculine to me, but it could be one of those
David Lynch things.  :-)

Love and Douglas Firs,
gWEN

Hello fellow Peaksters!

Does anyone know if TP is broadcast in Dolby Surround?

--
"Give me a donut."

Kurt Hunter                             e-mail: hunter@apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.                    AppleLink: HUNTER.K

The sound quality on my TV made it impossible for me to
understand what the tape of Waldo the Mynah said.
Could somebody fill me in? 
         Thanks,
           Malcolm

In article <1990Aug14.152603.11628@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Maybe Jacoby just happened to be in the area where necklace was buried
> >for some reason which will be revealed in later episodes.  Harry said something
> >to Cooper about only way to get to that location while they were waiting for
> >Donna and James to reappear.

...here is another, more plausible explanation:

may be donna and/or james are also seeing dr. jacobi just as laura was, and
told him what they had done; so, jacobi promptly goes there and digs it
up...

krishna sampath
sampath@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu

In article <9163@scorn.sco.COM> martyst (Biff Boff, Private Eye) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Aug13.143247.27934@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>> >>
>> >>   Possible explanation of zoom-in on Laura's eye:  isn't it the case that
>> >>contracted pupils are sometimes a sign of drug addiction?
> >
> >Nope. Pupils dilate or contract while under the influence of
> >this drug or that, but not at all times in the user's life.

  Actually, if anyone thinks this is really relevant to the plot (I don't),
if you are addicted to opiates (like morphine or heroine) and are
starting to withdraw from them, this will produce pupillary dilatation   
and thus is evidence of prior addiction. Constricted pupils could be
a sign of narcotic intoxication.


   David Rind          rind@hscfvax.harvard.edu

In article <107543@tiger.oxy.edu>, eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
> >In some random article, I wrote:
>> >>Don't forget, the body was face down, so while Pete could be identified as
> >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>female, it is unlikely that Pete knew who it was.
> >^^^^^^^
> >I don't know, he looked pretty masculine to me, but it could be one of those
> >David Lynch things.  :-)
 
  I hate it when my subconcious wrestles control of my fingers from me.
  I meant to type something like "So while Pete could have identified the
body as female..."
  I'll have to torment my subconcious now...
 
> >Love and Douglas Firs,
> >gWEN
 
Gimme a doughnut.
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In article <3881@nisca.ircc.ohio-state.edu> sampath@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Krishna S. Sampath) writes:

   ...here is another, more plausible explanation:

   may be donna and/or james are also seeing dr. jacobi just as laura was, and
   told him what they had done; so, jacobi promptly goes there and digs it
   up...

If this is the case, which I doubt, then they must have stopped at a pay
phone along the way... :-)

I got the impression that the time span from burial to uncovering was not
that long.

Now what about Leo, are we sure that he didn't kill Laura?

(Twin Peaks, DAMN fine program!)

-randy

-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

> >  . . . the releasal of a CAV . . .
> > THe LD is expected out soon . . .
.-.
|T|ranslation, please, ASAP, or at least PDQ, OK?  10-4.
`-' LS/MFT,
    <_JGD_>

*SPOILERS!!!* (If you're seeing the reruns for the first time.) *SPOILERS!!!*










> > The sound quality on my TV made it impossible for me to
> > understand what the tape of Waldo the Mynah said.
.-.
|B|asically these phrases:
`-'

 "Laura!  Laura!"
       "Don't go in there!"
   "Leo, stop!"
  "Hurting me!"

    <_Jym_>

Just saw Wild At Heart yesterday.
I liked it very much.
There were four(4) Twin Peaks People in the movie, unless
I missed some.  Sheryl Lee's role was HEE-LARIOUS!  The
others were Sherilyn Fenn, Jack Nance (of course), and David
Patrick Kelly.  Crispin Glover fans should also be very pleased.




Twim Peaks talk now.   Some may consider next text SPOILER, even
though it's just speculation.

























It is my opinion that it is clear that both Laura and Madeline
were switching places, playing each other for a while, then
changing back.  What I have to figure out now is which one
was the nice one and which one was the druggie hooker (which
one was Patty and which one was Cathy ?-) and whether Madeline
is really the nice one or if she is just playing it cool and
whether or not she actualy is Laura (although I believe Laura,
the real one, is actually the dead one).


paul


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In article <6158@bgsu-stu.UUCP>, sduncan@bgsu-stu.UUCP (sean duncan) writes:
> > This has been requested quite a few times before, but I thought I'd jump on 
> > the bandwagon anyway...
> > 
> > If anyone out there has any TP sounds (for the mac, in my case) let yourself
> > be known!!  My Mac is dying to talk like Lucy and Coop (not to mention Laura)
> > and if anyone has *any* mac TP sounds, send 'em to me or post them so
> > we can all share the wealth.  Also, if anyone has the hardware to sample
> > sounds, go at it!
> > 
> > Thanks .................................................!
> > sean
> > (scd@einstein.bgsu.edu or sduncan@barney.bgsu.edu)

Here is one.  It is Lucy leading into a break for a commercial by saying
"Time for a cup of joe..."

I also have a HyperCard stack by Mark Lewis called "Twin Peaks
Bedside Companion".  It has a wealth of information about the
show (including spoilers for 1st time viewers).

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Bonnie Robinson has asked me to post these observations from
episode 3:

i.In Cooper's dream, when he first looks at the dwarf's
cousin (who is Laura's mirror image), the cousin puts
her finger to her nose -- the Bookhouse boys' secret
sign (Ed does the same to Hawk earlier in the series
in the police station).

ii.Bob in the dream says "I'll catch you with my death
bag -- you may think I've gone insane." Cooper may have
dreamed this because Laura was found in a plastic bag.

iii.Bob and Mike are the men in the first part of the dream,
while Bobby and Mike (Snake) are the barking jocks.

[personally, I think Lynch/Frost are going to solve the murder any
way they want, clues be damned, so none of this will matter in the
end -- David].

David Megginson (for Bonnie Robinson)
david@doe.utoronto.ca
meggin@vm.epas.utoronto.ca
D
D
David Megginson

What the mynah bird said:  

"Don't go there"  (Ronette Pulaski also uttered these words in
a coma when Cooper tried to interview her.)
"Laura, no!"  (or something like that)
"Stop it, Leo!" (something like that)
"Hurting me"  (with the emphasis on the "ing", i.e. "hurtING me"

The "hurtING me" is a nice touch.  Often when you teach a bird to say
something, they learn it a little differently.  What the bird
probably heard was "you're hurting me".

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From: Greg Sandell <sandell@ferret.ils.nwu.edu>


I saw Twin Peaks here in Chicago on the opening day.

From: Greg Sandell <sandell@ferret.ils.nwu.edu>


Pnews screwed up again and posted only the first line of my text.
Here we go again:


I saw Wild at Heart here in Chicago on the opening day.  What do you
think, is Lynch trying to make the ultimate redefinition of the `blue
movie' as an art form?  There were some really good things
about the movie, but some of the `grossout' gags (and I won't 
give them away since the movie is so new) seemed like sudden
cuts to a John Waters movie; except that John Waters would have made 
them fit in with the drama and the mood of the film.  The gag with
the dog near the end seemed like a desperate attempt to lighten
up the tragedy preceding it.

It also beat "Total Recall" by a long mile for "most brutal killing
in the earliest part of the film".  Whew.

But anyway, to my subject line:  did anybody notice that Eric da Re
(Leo Johnson) was listed in the credits for doing casting?  I guess 
*he'd* be hard to refuse:  "Sign the contract, Shelly.  NOW!"

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There was one other Twin Peaks star in Wild At Heart - Grace
Zabriskie, who played Laura's psychic-distraught Mommy.  You might not
recognize her though - she's replaced her abundant curls with a tight
blonde haircut.

And yes, Sheryl Lee's appearance is a blast.  Sherilyn Fenn's was too
short, but very memorable.

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Hi, when  going through me tape of episode 3--the one that aired last night, I
noticed that in the dream sequence at the end, there is a single frame of
what appears to be a bloodsoaked cloth sitting on a mirrored table. Does anyone
know what on earth that's doing there?

Jonah

From: Jorn Barger <barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu>

After seeing WaH yesterday, (brief review: uninspired lynch 
self-plagiarism, like twin peaks on an off-night) I went home and dug 
out the January 1990 New York Times Sunday Magazine cover story on 
Lynch, for I remembered a reference at the end to a particularly 
shocking scene, which the movie I saw didn't have.  To paraphrase:

...more shocking than anything in Blue Velvet is a torture scene 
involving a carnival game with masturbation, two soda bottles and a gun.  
Lynch said he himself found the scene so disturbing he half-expected 
someone to arrest him for filming it...



minor spoiler:












I can only guess that the torture victim must have been Harry Dean 
Stanton.  any more info, anyone?


another spoiler:
















wasn't the x-rating reduced by cutting a bit from dafoe's final 
'accident'? or was it that they steamed up the lens during some sex 
scenes?

In article <1990Aug18.213224.15661@doe.utoronto.ca> david@utdoe.UUCP (David Megginson) writes:
> >Bonnie Robinson has asked me to post these observations from
> >episode 3:
> >
> >i.In Cooper's dream, when he first looks at the dwarf's
> >cousin (who is Laura's mirror image), the cousin puts
> >her finger to her nose -- the Bookhouse boys' secret
> >sign (Ed does the same to Hawk earlier in the series
> >in the police station).
> >
This could indicate that Madeline is a bookhouse "boy", and
since she helps James (a bookhouse boy) and Donna with their
scheme, she could be considered an unofficial bookhouse boy.

However, Cooper says that the "cousin" *is* L.P, so perhaps
Laura was a bookhouse boy, and perhaps involved in the investigation
of the cocaine dealers that the B. Boys are doing (perhaps explaining
her seeing both JAmes and Bobby).

But the "cousin" kisses cooper, so maybe the cousin is the
drooling-over-Agent Cooper("likes his coffee black") Audrey,
which would make Jerry the dwarf who comes from where the birds sing
a pretty song.  

If the cousin *is* laura, why does Dwarf-leland not recognize her
as his daughter?  

> >ii.Bob in the dream says "I'll catch you with my death
> >bag -- you may think I've gone insane." Cooper may have
> >dreamed this because Laura was found in a plastic bag.

Bob also says that he will kill again.  Now Leland does kill
again, so maybe Sarah's vision was her subconscious recognition that
Leland was the killer.  Who else do we know who has killed?  Leo,
bobby, josie, Hank....did Leland defend Hank in the manslaughter
case?

In article <6158@bgsu-stu.UUCP> sduncan@bgsu-stu.UUCP (sean duncan) writes:
> >
> >If anyone out there has any TP sounds (for the mac, in my case) let yourself
> >be known!!  My Mac is dying to talk like Lucy and Coop (not to mention Laura)
> >and if anyone has *any* mac TP sounds, send 'em to me or post them so
> >we can all share the wealth.  

A Macintosh sound of Coop saying "this must be where pies go when
they die."  The sound my mac makes when emptying the trash (using
SoundMaster to assign sounds to Finder functions).

I don't know who originated this; I got it off the Twilight Clone
in Bethesda (301/946-5032).
______________


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In article <6158@bgsu-stu.UUCP> sduncan@bgsu-stu.UUCP (sean duncan) writes:

> >If anyone out there has any TP sounds (for the mac, in my case) let yourself
> >be known!!  My Mac is dying to talk like Lucy and Coop (not to mention Laura)
> >and if anyone has *any* mac TP sounds, send 'em to me or post them so
> >we can all share the wealth.

Macintosh sound (snd ) of Coop saying "damn good coffee... and hot!"

I don't know who originated these sounds, but I got them off
the Twilight Clone in Bethesda (301/946-5032).
_____________________

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..at the end of episode three, in the separate "dream series" credits,
   there is a listing for Johnny Horne (the autistic/disturbed brother).
   But Johnny Horne isn't IN the dream sequence.  Or is he?????  Did
   anyone else note this and/or have a comment/explanation?
 
                                               Annemarie

Maybe some "Wild At Heart" spoilers.  Play safe, kids.

> >From: Jorn Barger <barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu>
> >
> >...more shocking than anything in Blue Velvet is a torture scene 
> >involving a carnival game with masturbation, two soda bottles and a gun.  
> >Lynch said he himself found the scene so disturbing he half-expected 
> >someone to arrest him for filming it...

Weird!  Maybe he chickened out and didn't include it, because the
interview I read with Lynch in last Friday's Boston Phoenix says that
the version in release now is the exact same as the version shown at
Cannes, except that there was some smoke and flames added to ONE
SECOND of film.

> >wasn't the x-rating reduced by cutting a bit from dafoe's final 
> >'accident'? or was it that they steamed up the lens during some sex 
> >scenes?

Given what Lynch said about the smoke/flames, I would guess it was
Dafoe's losing his head scene...

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