Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

lumbert@lime.in-berlin.de (Marcel Zielinski) writes:

> >Some of the episodes are not shown, cause some folks at RTL are the
> >opinion, that they are too confusing/psychedelic for the viewer.
> >Sad, but true.

Well....
I know the guy in Holland that does the Twin Peaks info line, and he has close
contacts with RTL 4 about TP, and he doesn't know anything about this. So I
think it is safe to assume that RTL 4 (I don't know about RTL+) WILL show
all of the episodes.

Marcel, what is your source for this information???
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How 'bout:  MINIATURE...
 
lava lamp (from Dr. Jacoby's office)
red diary
potted plant (from that guy who was afraid to go outside,
    ...y'guys rem which guy ?...well, he played in movie 'Electric
    Dreams' with Virginia Madsen (from D. Lynch's 'Dune.'))
checkered tile
zig-zagged tile
tiny cut-out letters (one found in Laura's nail)
log
tape recorder 
train car
one of those outdoor thingies, I don't rem what they are called...
    Where they found the dead bum in a chess piece.

etc.  I am sure there are a lot of other things that could 
be added

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In article <1991Dec16.145359.20170yonder@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) writes:
> >Could somebody fill me in on this?  I had never heard of the "World's
> >Angriest Dog" until I read the David Lynch interview posted here.
>From what I could gather from the interview, it is a comic strip that
> >can be found in a paper somewhere?  What paper, is a book available?

My school newspaper had the series.  I read the first, and then
(sorry) forgot about it until it was mentioned here !  And that was
quite a while back...I would say nearly a year back.
If anyone wishes, I could post the address to my school's newspaper
and hopefully (I will check up on this) they may still have some
back issues so that they can send it out...or I guess
I could.



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I am sure that it was not a coincidence that the commercial and
Twin Peaks have a similarity...considering the age bracket of
the audience (for TP) and the style of clothes they have there...
that is, if A. Badalamenti had nothing to do with the creation
of that ad.

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saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Lauri Saiki) writes:
>> >> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) writes:
>> >> Could somebody fill me in on this?  I had never heard of the "World's
>> >> Angriest Dog" until I read the David Lynch interview posted here.
>> >> From what I could gather from the interview, it is a comic strip that
>> >> can be found in a paper somewhere?  What paper, is a book available?
> >
> > My school newspaper had the series.  I read the first, and then
> > (sorry) forgot about it until it was mentioned here !  And that was
> > quite a while back...I would say nearly a year back.
> > If anyone wishes, I could post the address to my school's newspaper
> > and hopefully (I will check up on this) they may still have some
> > back issues so that they can send it out...or I guess
> > I could.

I'm not sure if this has been answered as our news feed has been down, but
if not, here goes:

   The actual name of the strip is "The Angriest Dog in the World" and
one nationally distributed source of it is "Comic Relief" magazine.
This monthly comics digest carries the full month's run of _Calvin & Hobbes_
_Outland_, _Doonesberry_, _Life In Hell_, and columns by _Dave Barry_,
_Ian Shoales_, _Joe Bob Briggs_, _Stephanie Brush_ and _Dr. Science_.
(Along with scads of the best of the previous months editoral cartoons.)

   For the past six or so months they have carried TADITW to universal
revilement.

   "The Angriest Dog..." is the only strip that one can truely say that
if you have seen one you have seen them all. The "artwork" is *Exactly*
the same in every issue:

     Five boxes: 
         1 - The introduction "The dog who is so angry he cannot move.
             He cannot eat. He cannot sleep. He can just barely growl.
             Bound so tightly with tension and anger, he approaches the
             state of rigor mortis."

         2 - The first panel - The dog chained to a stake, straining
             to get to the tree. In the background is a fence, in the
             distance is a smoke-belching factory. The house is on the
             right, and the picture window through which word ballons
             float. Sometimes this is the only panel that has _any_
             dialogue.

         3 & 4 - *Exactly* the same as 2.

         5 - The same as 2, 3 & 4 except at night.

   That's it. Lynch probably *faxes* the damn thing in. Now I am a _big_
fan of Twin Peaks and feel that I am fairly attuned to the Lynchian mood
and method but this strip is, in a word, shit. The text is the sort of
thing that most folks wouldn't consider putting in their .sig line.

    If you wish to catch it in Comic Relief, The Jan. issue will be it's
last appearence. So many readers wrote in to complain that is going away.

                              Chris Williams
                                 katefans@chinet.chi.il.us

P.S. I am not associated with "Comic Relief" other than the usual way of
    purchasing it every month, thus assuring it's survival.

stefan@spc.nl (Stefan Posthuma) writes:
> >lumbert@lime.in-berlin.de (Marcel Zielinski) writes:

>> >>Some of the episodes are not shown, cause some folks at RTL are the
>> >>opinion, that they are too confusing/psychedelic for the viewer.
>> >>Sad, but true.

> >I know the guy in Holland that does the Twin Peaks info line, and he has close
> >contacts with RTL 4 about TP, and he doesn't know anything about this. So I
> >think it is safe to assume that RTL 4 (I don't know about RTL+) WILL show
> >all of the episodes.

> >Marcel, what is your source for this information???

My information was only about RTL+ in germany. Sorry, I forget the '+'
in my last article. Just in theese days there are the last two (three ?)
episodes, which only describe the further life in TP. 
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Hello Stefan!


SP> I know the guy in Holland that does the Twin Peaks info line, and he has
SP> close contacts with RTL 4 about TP, and he doesn't know anything about
SP> this. So I think it is safe to assume that RTL 4 (I don't know about
SP> RTL+) WILL show all of the episodes.

Unfortunatly the German PTT refuses to bring RTL4 on the cable net. RTL+ - the 
somewhat tasteless 'German' RTL - drops Twin Peaks because of the lack of 
interest. [SIGH]


Gruss, ERIK


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Everett McGill was on 'License to Kill'
Chris Mulkey (Hank Jennings) was on a rerun of 'Murder, She Wrote' (on USA)
Richard Beymer was on a new 'Murder, She Wrote' (on CBS a few weekends
ago)

Just some info...for the people who are keepin track of this.

Also, wasn't Chris Mulkey in one of those B movies...I don't know which
one, but there were a number of scenes of him in all of his glory...
full frontal nudity...or was it someone that looked just like him ?




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In <12e71f7c@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:

> >I would like to know, if RTL had bought the rights of the other 7 episodes,
> >or if they didn't! 

Has the full series been released on video tapes anywhere in the world by now?
Assuming the worst case for RTL+, perhaps one could get the full story this
way. BTW, there was a big Twin Peaks party announced in Bonn on the 20th -
anyone been there or knowing what that may have been?

In <12f50abd@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:

> >Yesterday I bought a maxi CD with a disco version of "Falling" --
> >not bad at all! 

> >My Question:  What Twin Peaks related records do you know?

Saw a German catalog of Peaks merchandise, including a dance mix of the
TP main theme. Huh? How that? Anyone heard the record (costs about DM 10,-).

dfi@specklea.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> >In <12e71f7c@p2.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Marc_Van_Woerkom@dungeon.fido.de (Marc Van Woerkom) writes:

> >way. BTW, there was a big Twin Peaks party announced in Bonn on the 20th -
> >anyone been there or knowing what that may have been?

Can't speak for Bonn, but here in Berlin there was also a big TP party.
They showed the last 4 episodes with cherry pie and coffee, can't 
remember the date.
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A friend and I are planning to give our wives a `Twin Peaks Experience`
since both of them were great fans of the TV show. We plan to show them
taped reruns of some shows and serve them a dinner which we would expect
to be like that of Twin Peaks.

We are hungry for ideas of how we may make this `experience` more unique
and entertaining and would appreciate help from anyone in this group. Also
any source for Twin Peaks paraphenalia would be fun.

Thanks in advance for any help. Please respond to this inquiry via
e-mail since I do not regularly read this newsgroup.


Bebo White
---> the opinions expressed are mine alone and not necessarily those
     of SLAC, Stanford University or the DOE

In article <1991Dec27.130722.17478@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, dfi@specklea.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes...

} Has the full series been released on video tapes anywhere in the world
} by now?

Not quite yet, and not on tape (though I assume there will be a tape
release as well), but in Japan, the entire series is about to be
released on laserdisc in a single boxed set, except for the variant
version of the pilot, which was released separately.

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..

fj

Erik_Schmidt@dungeon.fido.de (Erik Schmidt) writes:

> >Unfortunatly the German PTT refuses to bring RTL4 on the cable net. RTL+ - the 
> >somewhat tasteless 'German' RTL - drops Twin Peaks because of the lack of 
> >interest. [SIGH]

Sorry, but that is nonsense. Several weeks before TP starts, RTL+ made 
clear that they will show only 20 episodes. The reasons is, that they thought 
that the remaining 7 episodes are too strange and the viewer can't deal
with it. 

Same thing happened with some episodes of Star Trek. 
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Hello! Are their Twin Peaks Fans out there?

## CrossPoint v0.9d ##

Yes - we are still out here.  Just patiently waiting for the release of
"Fire Walk With Me".  The sad thing that I feel is why doesn't one of
those literary geniuses out there write the "Further Adventures of Twin
Peaks".  They performed this operation with Star Trek and look where it
got that show.

And by the way, did any of you read that lovely thrashing of Twin Peaks
in the Christmas Issue of TV Guide?  Gosh, I just love people who take
the viewpoint that "NE is such a better show than TP."  Both are good 
shows on their own individual merits.  Unfortunately, TP was not
episodic as all of prime-time TV is today.  I actually looked forward to 
watching TP because I was intrigued by the characters and what they
might do next.

Ho hum. Just my $0.02 worth.

In <1308316d@p99.f47.n242.z2.fidonet.org> Erik_Schmidt@dungeon.fido.de (Erik Schmidt) writes:
> >Unfortunatly the German PTT refuses to bring RTL4 on the cable net. RTL+ - the 
> >somewhat tasteless 'German' RTL - drops Twin Peaks because of the lack of 
> >interest. [SIGH]

A German TV magazine has stated that another private station, Tele 5, will
broadcast the missing 8 episodes (the final is a double feature) starting
January 18, 1992. Those jerks at RTL+ did *not* give a hint about this and
simply stated something like 'the mystery of TP will never be solved. Period'
when they aired the 'last' episode (=2013) yesterday. If *this* is the essence
of private TV... OTOH, none of those greedy oeffentlichrechtliche Senders
(who charge you DM 23,- per *month* from next year on!) bothered to buy TP.

I had the good fortune to receive the 'collector-boxed-set' of the first seven
episodes; unfortunately, episode #1 has a serious 'glitch' (video and audio) at
the point where Cooper first meets Audrey.  Episode #7 has a series of glitches
in which the picture jumps but the audio is unaffected.  I wouldn't ask this
question if it were not for the fact that I exchanged episode #1 and received
another defective tape...  Has anyone else experienced this??

Thanks,

Walt K.

dfi@specklea.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:

> >A German TV magazine has stated that another private station, Tele 5, will
> >broadcast the missing 8 episodes (the final is a double feature) starting
> >January 18, 1992.

Really ???  That would be fantastic. Yeah.

> >Those jerks at RTL+ did *not* give a hint about this and
> >simply stated something like 'the mystery of TP will never be solved. Period'
> >when they aired the 'last' episode (=2013) yesterday.

Better (something like this): the mystery of TP will never be solved,
but from tonight on you can see the famous 'Kojak' bal bla bla.

They really put 'Kojak' on the same level with TP. I still can't believe 
it.

> >If *this* is the essence
> >of private TV... OTOH, none of those greedy oeffentlichrechtliche Senders
> >(who charge you DM 23,- per *month* from next year on!) bothered to buy TP.

They bought 'Simpsons' and probably thought that's enough for the next
two years !
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In article <VUE2HEHM4Z@treff.zer.de> mr.t@treff.zer.de (Heiko Bernhoerster) writes:
> >Hello! Are their Twin Peaks Fans out there?
> >
Yes.

Really is tough on us fans when no new episodes are coming out.  I think
the movie will help, but I believe that Lynch, unfettered by the TV morality,
will come out with a film more dismal and depressing than we want to admit.

DF> January 18, 1992. Those jerks at RTL+ did *not* give a hint about this and

Yes, beat'em!  


DF> when they aired the 'last' episode (=2013) yesterday. If *this* is the
DF> essence

And: These idiots have the new habit to speak into the ending/credits,
     grmblfx -- is this imported from the US ?


DF> (who charge you DM 23,- per *month* from next year on!) bothered to buy

BOB, fass!


Bye, Marc

For you Julee Cruise fans:

There is a new Julee Cruise song on the _Until the End of the World_ sound
track.  It's produced by David Lynch and Angelo Badalamenti.  Unfortunately,
Lynch didn't write the lyrics.  Still, the song has that distinctive
Badalamenti sound.
-- = Andrew Krieg | = = krieg@titan.med.ge.com| Treguna Mekoides Trecorum Satis Dee = = or | = = krieg@point.cs.uwm.edu| - Astoroth =

I too had to return a tape.  Number 6 in the set was defective.  It had
a horizontal line in the picture that rolled up slowly throughout the
tape.  When it got to the top, it lost sync for a split second and the
audio disappeared.  The replacement was OK.  No trouble with #001, though.


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
              *My father's name was Palmer.

Hallo Daniel!


DF> A German TV magazine has stated that another private station, Tele 5, will
DF> broadcast the missing 8 episodes (the final is a double feature) starting
DF> January 18, 1992.

Yeah ... great!

DF> none of those greedy oeffentlichrechtliche Senders

:-)


Gruss, ERIK


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I am not cut out to be a writer so this is why I put out the
suggestion for any writers out there to write some TP fiction.

Once upon a time there was a little boy named Leland.......


ferenc 

  "Lies can often give you power like a coffin filled with flowers
   gives life to the living, not the dead" .... THE RESIDENTS ....

IMHO, the people who are hearing "I'm not Bob" when the phrase "Laura 
Palmer" is played backwards on a tape machine are exercising their own 
imaginations.  Understandable - we all miss TP, and I can't wait for 
FWWM, but face it, you can take any short, meaningful audio fragment,
play it backwards, and construe another meaningful phrase from that.

Also, I'm with whatsisname (sorry I don't remember, and I'm not familiar 
enough with the commands on this board to tag your text to mine...) who 
said that TP was more interesting than NE because it was less episodic.  
I took this to mean "more like a soap opera" - or serial, to use the more
positive word.  Soap opera is what TV does best.  TV can't compete with 
movies as far as quality per square inch.  But TV has the potential to
create worlds over a long period of time, and with far richer detail and 
depth than a movie.  I don't think the possibilities of soap opera have
been fully realized, at least not here in the USA.  I believe TP was a 
soap (in the broadest sense).  And that it succeeded in creating a very 
interesting universe.  I compare it, loosely, to Mary Hartman, Mary 
Hartman.  Unique, not likely to be duplicated.  Of course, most sit coms 
and series are kinda quasi-soap operas now, anyway.  There's not really 
any hard line that separates soap opera and episodic drama.  There are 
series that can do both (L.A. Law...and maybe NE is beginning to do that 
too).  Of course, most daytime soaps bore me after a while...

One time I was going with a woman from Mexico who turned me on to a 
Venezuela soap opera ("Cristal") and boy was I hooked - and slightly 
embarassed - I told my friends that I was just watching it to get my 
spanish skills better.  Good thing about Latin soaps - they have ends!

In article bobk@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >   [...] but I believe that Lynch, unfettered by the TV morality,
> >   will come out with a film more dismal and depressing than we want to admit.

Yes, let's hope so!  There are too many happy movies out there anyway... 

Actually, both Blue Velvet and WaH has been emotional roller-coasters
going from sugary-sweet love to the dark and evil but they both have
happy ends, and I bet TP would have had one too had he had a chance to
finish it up.

But I still haven't figured out if Eraserhead has a happy end or
not.... :-)

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In only slightly more than three weeks (today is 1-3-92), we will have 
the one year anniversary of the best TP episode ever - the January 26, 
1991 episode. 

It was so very eerie, the foreshadowing of the finale when Cooper looked 
into a garbage can and BOB sprang out to strangle him. (it was a dream.)

And who would've guessed that Lynch had such power over the networks that 
he could include a full-frontal nudity shot of Sherilyn Fenn, appearing 
in Cooper's bed once more?

This was an episode chock full of brilliant filmmaking. I remember 
reading an interview with the director of that episode, Alan Smithee. He 
said that Lynch had nothing to do with that particular episode, in fact, 
there wasn't even a script written until five minutes before the shoot 
started. Smithee ended up writing most of the script himself, in half an 
hour.

And while it didn't advance the plot all that much, it was the best 
slice-of-life that we'd seen of TP, along with some VERY weird happenings 
going on on the side. (The effects for some of those weird happenings 
were amazing - I guess Alan Smithee learned a lot directing DUNE.)

It's interesting, really, that nothing in this episode ever really comes 
up in discussions anymore. It's as if we want to act as if the episode 
never really existed. Perhaps it was almost too brilliant for the show, 
and it distracted from the rest of the series. Such is life, I guess. 

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I've seen an ad on TV a couple of times recently.  The first time my wife and I  
saw it we both said "LYNCH".  It's an ad for either a line of clothes or a  
store, I don't remember.  Anyway, in part of the screen it is showing clothes.   
In the other part, it shows a young (teenage) girl wearing some of the clothes  
in question.  She is dancing in the light of a cheap movie projector that  
doesn't have any film in it, kind of a poor man's spotlight.  Her dance is very  
"Audrey Horne"ish, and seems to be kind of jerky, like that dance done by "The  
Man from Another Place".  That is probably due to the strobe effect from the  
projector.  The other element is the music, which sounds straight out of the  
studios of Angelo Badalamenti.  Kind of twangy and jazzy.  Well, if Lynch  
didn't play a part in this, then someone sure seems to be duplicating his  
style.

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I'm sure this is old news, but it's not like this group is suffering from  
excessive posting.  I watched a rerun of the MTV Music Awards the other day.   
Chris Isaak won two awards for his music video "Wicked Game" (great stuff, see  
"Wild at Heart").  They said he couldn't be there to accept it because he was  
in Seattle on location for the the filming of a new "Twin Peaks" movie.   
(Probably "Fire, Walk with Me".)  They either went to a direct video link, or  
he had a pre-taped response.  It showed him sitting there, with Kyle Maclachlin  
sitting next to him.  He said "... but since I wasn't really in "Wild at  
Heart", and Kyle here was a main star, we'll let him tell you more about it."   
Kyle kind of looks down and says "Uh, Chris, David didn't ask me to be in "Wild  
at Heart"."  Chris:  "Oh, sorry."  They both stare at the ground.  Fade to  
black.  Kinda funny, kinda weird, kinda Lynch.  The second award showed just  
Chris talking, and he said "Kyle just stepped out, but when he comes back he'll  
tell you more about this new movie."  A pause, then a girl off camera says  
"Chris, Kyle left about an hour ago."  Chris: "Oh."  Stares at the ground.   
Fade to black.

P.S.  Sorry if it's not quite right, all paraphrased from a vague memory.

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I was bored recently, and glancing over the cast list to "Westside Story" (I  
was REALLY bored).  Two of the main male stars were Richard Beymer (aka  
Benjamin Horne) and Russ Tamblyn (aka Dr. Jacoby).  It's been so long since  
I've watched it, I have NO idea what characters they played.  But they must  
have been young.  Maybe next time I get bored I'll actually put the tape in the  
machine and watch it.  

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In an interview Lara Flynn Boyle said that she had a part in 
Dead Poets' Society that was cut from the movie.  Apparently, it 
had something to do with a romantic relationship with the main (student)
character.  Maybe this is what the extra 13 minutes will be in 
tonight's (Fri 1/3) CBS presentation of the movie.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1992Jan3.182614.28552@inel.gov> rhp@lewis (Robert Powell) writes:
> >I've seen an ad on TV a couple of times recently.  The first time my wife and I  
> >saw it we both said "LYNCH".  It's an ad for either a line of clothes or a  
> >store, I don't remember.  Anyway, in part of the screen it is showing clothes.   
> >In the other part, it shows a young (teenage) girl wearing some of the clothes  
> >in question.  She is dancing in the light of a cheap movie projector that  
> >doesn't have any film in it, kind of a poor man's spotlight.  Her dance is very  
> >"Audrey Horne"ish, and seems to be kind of jerky, like that dance done by "The  
> >Man from Another Place".  That is probably due to the strobe effect from the  
> >projector.  The other element is the music, which sounds straight out of the  
> >studios of Angelo Badalamenti.  Kind of twangy and jazzy.  Well, if Lynch  
> >didn't play a part in this, then someone sure seems to be duplicating his  
> >style.
This is the clothestime ad people talked about a little while ago (been
playing mostly on cable channels to my knowledge).  While on the subject,
has anyone noticed the Dove Bar ads?  The ending music sounds a lot
like some of "Falling."

Rocky Giovinazzo

     "Oh God," said Howard, as the video began on MTV.  "Silent
Lucidity.  The worst."
     Karen nodded.  "The poor man's 'Comfortably Numb' by the poor
man's Pink Floyd.  Cheer up, Rich.  What's wrong?"
     I just looked at her, astonished, as Howard ran the flame of
his lighter back and forth under the freshly rolled joint.
     "Mood swing," he said.
     "Here," said Karen, tossing me a pink pill.  Lithium.  300
grams.  Karen and I both shared this particular quirk.  
     "Very funny.  I'll be fine after the break."
     "*I* know what you need," said Howard, clicking off the tv and
put "Blonde on Blonde" into the cd player.  So it was a cliche.  It
was a cliche that worked for us.
 
     The riotous carnival of "Rainy Day Women 12 & 35 began:      
    "They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good--
     They'll stone you just like they said they would.
     They'll stone you when you're trying to go ho-ho-home,       
     They'll stone you when you're left all alone--"
 
     "Okay," said Karen.  "punch lines.  I'll start.  Punch line to
"I am the Walrus"
     Shrug.
     "Gesundheit."
     Howard contorted his face into some pained expression.
     "Howard?"
     "Punch line to Barton Fink."
     "Go on."
     "Wow, who'd a thought *she* was a virgin?"
     "Ick."
     "Rich?"
     "Punch line to Star Trek 2, Wrath of Khan."
     "CorDOba?"
     "Close..."
     "Zee plein, zee plein?"
     "Nope."
     "Well?"
     "I kin't hear you kiptin, there's something in my ear."      
     "Ouch.
     Howard passed the joint to me and Karen said, "Oooh, I got
one."
     "Punch line?"
     "No, just a joke.  Why is it best to fuck a hen just after
it's laid an egg?"
     "We give."
     "You get a nice, warm, dilated birthing canal."
     "Sweet Jesus," exclaimed Howard, choking out a laugh with some
smoke.  "She's RIGHT."
     "She *is*.  But how does she *know*?  That's what I find so
disturbing." 
     "I'm hungry," said Karen, standing and heading into the
kitchen.  "I'm gonna make a fig thing.  Want one?"
     "Bring me back a Snicker's ice cream bar."  I needed the
chocolate fix.
     "I want both," said Howard.
     A fig thing is three or four fig newtons on a plate,
microwaved for about thirty seconds, and covered with some Haggen-
Dasz honey vanilla or rum raisin.  We happened upon it one night
while looking for the perfect thing to eat while stoned.  But then
we decided it's not really perfect because it's missing that all-
important crunch.  But the hot/cold part works nicely.
     So we were munching when Karen said, "I know you're gonna hate
this but I'm *sure* Laura Palmer's still alive.  It was Maddy that
died."
     "Topical as ever, Karen."
     "I might have believed you once, but it's clearly Leland.  And
Bob, of course."
     "I don't care what Lynch and Frost say, I *know*."
     "You're stoned."
     "Regardless," she said, as a thin rivulet of ice cream traced
a path from a corner of her mouth down her chin and on into the top
of her loosely-fitting t-shirt.  It was evident in a few seconds
exactly where the ice cream was pooling.  "*I* know.  The
characters have a life of their own.  Laura is not dead."
     "You just know her *so* well."
     "I *do*.  Her dark side.  Her diaries."  Karen had been
obsessed with "Twin Peaks" for awhile, but we'd thought that was
all past.  We were wrong.  "Laura Palmer, c'est moi."
     "Well then *I* am Heathcliff."  Man, when had Howard ever read
"Wuthering Heights"?
     "Well then I'm, uh, Garfield?  Marmaduke??  Fred Bassett?? 
Shit. Well, *some*one."
     "No.  I'm *serious*.  Wait," she said.  "I got one.  Punch
line to 'Silence of the Lambs.'"
     "Got me."
     "Well?"
     "Hello, Clarise?  I'm going to DISNEYLAND!" 
     Howard was right.  I was feeling much better indeed.
 
     "Visions of Johanna" was the song.  One of my all-time
favorites.  Dylan sang and I looked at Karen and thought about all
the Johannas, all the people who walk in and out--women who'd made
cameo appearances in my life.
 
     "--Ain't it just like the night to play tricks when you're
trying to be so quiet?
     We sit here stranded though we're all doing our best to deny
it.
     And Louise holds a handful of rain tempting you to defy it   
     Lights flicker from the opposite loft; in this room the heat
pipes just cough--"
 
     "Now look," said Karen, trying to draw me back to the planet,
"we know all about Laura's dark side. She liked corrupting people. 
She could easily have lured her cousin into a life of drugs and
illicit sex.  *I* sure would have."  She took a drag and continued. 
"It could easily have been Maddy who worked at One-Eyed Jacks and
posed in Flesh World.  And we don't know how long Maddy's been in
Twin Peaks since she could always pass for Laura.  So it's really
Maddy who's killed in the railroad car and um, Leo and Laura
discover the body together and Ronette escapes in the confusion. 
Remember, Donna's father won't do a detailed autopsy so he misses
seeing all the details that would have given the whole thing away."
 
     And still Dylan sang:
     "--electricity howls in the bones of her face
     While visions of Johanna have now taken my place
 
     --He's sure got a lat of gall
     To be so useless and all
     Muttering small talk at the wall
     While I'm in the ha-all--"
 
     "That doesn't prove anything.  Besides, Donna and James would
have known if she was faking it, don't you think?"
 
     "--But Mona Lisa must have had the highway blues you can tell
by the way she smiles--"
     I felt that chill go down my spine and my upper arms were soon
gooseflesh.
 
     "No, that's the whole thing." said Karen..  *We* saw things  
that Donna and James never did.  Like those tapes to Dr. Jacoby
that she claims she found in the headboard of the bed, when
actually she pulled them out of a big box, one that was way too big
to fit in her headboard."
 
      "--Nobody feels any pain."
      Cool.  Howard had programmed the cd player to go from
"Visions of Johanna" to "Just Like a Woman"--a deadly one-two
punch.       
      "--inside the rain
      Everybody knows that baby's got new clothes
      But lately I see her ribbons and her bows.
 
     --She takes just like a woman (yes she does)
       She makes love just like a woman (yes she does)
       And she aches just like a woman
       But she breaks just like a little girl.
 
     "And," Howard says, "She does dial Donna's number without
looking it up even though she supposedly only met Donna the day
before."
     "Yes!."
      "--Queen Mary she's my friend--"
      I took a hit off another joint and handed it to Howard.     
      
      "-- I think I'll go see her again--"
      
     I leaned back against the couch, exhaled, and hoped that
Bob Dylan, wherever he was, was in love.
 
RICHH

In article <1992Jan3.172932.127@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >Ok ABC!  It's mid-season.  Where's _On the Air_ and why haven't I
> >seen advertisements for it?
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo
> >
> >

Speaking of upcoming stuff, does anyone know when Frost's "Storyville"
is going to be released?


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In article <61410@netnews.upenn.edu> stella@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (RICHH) writes:
> >
> >     "Oh God," said Howard, as the video began on MTV.  "Silent
> >Lucidity.  The worst."
> >     Karen nodded.  "The poor man's 'Comfortably Numb' by the poor
> >man's Pink Floyd.  Cheer up, Rich.  What's wrong?"
> >     I just looked at her, astonished, as Howard ran the flame of
> >his lighter back and forth under the freshly rolled joint.
> >     "Mood swing," he said.
> >     "Here," said Karen, tossing me a pink pill.  Lithium.  300
> >grams.  Karen and I both shared this particular quirk.  

300 Grams !  That sure is an upper, if you can get it down your throat...


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giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> >In an interview Lara Flynn Boyle said that she had a part in 
> >Dead Poets' Society that was cut from the movie.  Apparently, it 
> >had something to do with a romantic relationship with the main (student)
> >character.  Maybe this is what the extra 13 minutes will be in 
> >tonight's (Fri 1/3) CBS presentation of the movie.

The 13 minutes cut from the movie was not a _continuous_ 13 minute
scene, but rather a few extra minutes here and there added to
already existing scenes.

I think the extra time added more understanding of some of the facets
of the movie and wished it would've been released on video with those
extra 13 minutes. They really do help!


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This is from the Clothestime commercial...Clothestime is a retail clothes
store that sells clothes at lower-than-dept. store prices.  I have
seen it too.  I just thought it was a gimmick that the two (TP and comm.)
were similar, since it may be attracting the same age group/audience...
high school to mid-thirties crowd.

We, in HI, do not have a Clothestime outlet here, but there is one in 
SF (that I know of, since I freq. there on vacation.).  Do you have one
there ?  

Have a nice winter !
:)

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In article <1992Jan3.183547.28711@inel.gov> rhp@lewis (Robert Powell) writes:

> >excessive posting.  I watched a rerun of the MTV Music Awards the other day.  >Chris Isaak won two awards for his music video "Wicked Game" (great stuff, see>"Wild at Heart").  They said he couldn't be there to accept it because he was 
> >in Seattle on location for the the filming of a new "Twin Peaks" movie.   
> >(Probably "Fire, Walk with Me".)  They either went to a direct video link, or >he had a pre-taped response.  It showed him sitting there, with Kyle Maclachlin  
> >sitting next to him.  He said "... but since I wasn't really in "Wild at  
> >Heart", and Kyle here was a main star, we'll let him tell you more about it." >Kyle kind of looks down and says "Uh, Chris, David didn't ask me to be in "Wild  

I had mentioned this a few months ago when it was first broadcast, but I 
was told that I was imagining this little scene.  I am glad that one
other person in this world saw this too.
:)
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In article <cBkZDB1w164w@halcyon.com> hikaru@halcyon.com (Demosthenes) writes:

   In only slightly more than three weeks (today is 1-3-92), we will have 
   the one year anniversary of the best TP episode ever - the January 26, 
   1991 episode. 

Speaking of which, I missed the script/synopsis of this the first time
around.  Anybody got a copy they can post/Email?  I'd like to be in on
the fun, too.

-30-
Bob

``It is happening again, it is happening again.''

giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> > In an interview Lara Flynn Boyle said that she had a part in 
> > Dead Poets' Society that was cut from the movie.  Apparently, it 
> > had something to do with a romantic relationship with the main (student)
> > character.  Maybe this is what the extra 13 minutes will be in 
> > tonight's (Fri 1/3) CBS presentation of the movie.
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo

No, she was in the origanal as well. I was supprised when I saw her in the 
credits, b I think I figured out who she was. She was the blong girl that 
one of the charicturs fell in love with, but she was already seeing a 
football player that they thought was a jurk.
                                         -=*=- Gregory C. Salmieri -=*=-

t episode you mentioned was credited as being directed by Alan Smithee?  Do
you all realise that Alan Smithee is not a real person but a psuedonym used
by directors when due to artistic or political reasons do not want their name
associated with a particular work or piece?  It's used frequently when a
director is fired and the job is taken over by another director.  It's also
used when a director for one reason or another is not allowed the creative
freedom to do what they want and it's a statement of protest.  This is
a tradition that has been used since the 40's with feature films.
 
In a related note, I just got the laserdisc version of the TP premiere -- with
the recut ending.  There are several anomalies or continuity errors in the
production you might find interesting.
 
- In the scene at the beginning when Laura's mother goes into her room and
looks at the empty bed.  There is no Bob at the foot of the bed, as there is
in the flashback.
 
- In the scene on the mountain road when Cooper and Truman pursue James and
Donna, they see them pass, Truman flicks on the cop lights, the camera switch-
es to a shot of the bronco coming around the corner, and then the shot changes
to the bronco driving straight away from the camera.  The light bar is on for
the first shot, off for the second, and on for the third.
 
- In Laura's mother's realisation on the sofa, if you look in the mirror over
the sofa, you can clearly see a head (female?) that turns to one side just
before the shot
When changes.  Oops.
 
- when Mike is at Donna's door at night talking to her father after
she snuck out the window, her father says "she's not here.  And mike repl
 "What do you mean, she snuck out?"
 
(more to come as I watch a couple of more times)
 
Maria

Finally "Twin-Peaks" hits Switzerland! So I'm about to understand what
all the fuss was about. The pilot has been shown and every Wednesday a new
episode is following. I think they will show all the episodes. And the best
thing is, that they show it in Stereo ( one channel German, one channel 
English )!

Hi y'all!

(A very un-Australian greeting to all and sundry but anyway ...)

Someone posted recently about somebody writing some stuff about Twin Peaks.
Well, my friend and I have almost completed a sequel to the final episode
because it just infuriated us that it could be left so. It just ain't decent.

Anyway, I posted a message to this effect late last year on a different
account (which has since been nullified as happens every year).

Whether we'll leave any cliff-hangers at the end of "our" series (I couldn't
tell you how many episodes. At the moment it's just one long script. Albeit a
very disjointed one - it's all in pieces) has yet to be decided. The last two
scenes resolve a lot but they also leave some questions too.

So, as soon as the script is pieced together and as soon as we've written the
middle of it, you can be sure that it'll be posted for you all to enjoy - and
argue about 'cause we've made some assumptions.

As it's still unfinished, any personal wishes for character outcomes can be sent
to me and maybe we can work them in. (I don't want to let on what we've already
written but you'll get a reply one way or another.)

Peakin' along,
Leanne Richard
University of Newcastle

PS We're trying for Lynchian style but I think we like the characters too much to
hurt 'em. Although we have a good go at it.

In article <iw53DB1w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:
> >giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

>> >> In an interview Lara Flynn Boyle said that she had a part in 
>> >> Dead Poets' Society that was cut from the movie.  Apparently, it 
>> >> had something to do with a romantic relationship with the main (student)
>> >> character.  Maybe this is what the extra 13 minutes will be in 
>> >> tonight's (Fri 1/3) CBS presentation of the movie.

> >No, she was in the origanal as well. I was supprised when I saw her in the 
> >credits, b I think I figured out who she was. She was the blong girl that 
> >one of the charicturs fell in love with, but she was already seeing a 
> >football player that they thought was a jurk.

I should have written that *most* of her part was cut from the movie.
She said that she found out about the cut on the day the movie was released
and cried but went to the movie anyway.
(Maybe she said that the movie release date was also her birthday? which
would have made it especially sad.  I can't remember now.)

Rocky Giovinazzo

NO, she did not play the part of the blond girl, Chris.  She portrayed Ginny
Danberry (sp?).  If you recall, when Knox Overstreet arrived at
the Danberrys' home for his first visit, he met Chris at the door.
Later he went into the living room and there was a younger (?) brunette
lying on the floor (perhaps doing homework?  I forgot exactly what).
Chris came in a bit later and began talking to her.  This girl  was Ginny
Danberry, and I assume she was Chet's younger sister.

Please forgive the name misspellings; I was just guessing.


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From article <iw53DB1w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, by salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri):

> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>
>> In an interview Lara Flynn Boyle said that she had a part in
>> Dead Poets' Society that was cut from the movie. Apparently, it
>> had something to do with a romantic relationship with the main (student)
>> character. Maybe this is what the extra 13 minutes will be in
>> tonight's (Fri 1/3) CBS presentation of the movie.
>>
>> Rocky Giovinazzo
>
> No, she was in the origanal as well. I was supprised when I saw her in the
> credits, b I think I figured out who she was. She was the blong girl that
> one of the charicturs fell in love with, but she was already seeing a
> football player that they thought was a jurk.
> -=*=- Gregory C. Salmieri -=*=-

No, she was the Danbury's daughter. It looked like she was doing homework
or something on the floor when the guy came over to have dinner.

As far as the extra minutes go, I don't remember the part when Neil got
the part in the play and he and his roommate (I forgot his name) went down
to the water and were dancing on the dock. Was this new?

I love this movie and still brought tears to my eyes the second time around.
Wasn't this based on a true story?

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1.6.92

The other day I happened to be cruising my local video store and saw a tape
titled something like "I'm deadly tonight" or "I'm dangerous tonight".  Any-
way, the lead character was none other than Amick Madchen.  From the cover
the story is supposed about her finding a cape with demonic powers.  If she
wears the cape, people end up getting sliced and diced.  Didn't rent it but
wondered if anyone else had seen it.

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I was wondering if anybody had any address to which I could write to
find out more information about Twin Peaks.  This may sound stupid, but
weird stuff, like what model motorcycle James Hurley rode.

Thanks so very much, if you can help me out.

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I saw an interesting blurb the other night on _Movie Television_, a Canadian
production that does behind-the-scenes interviews with the cast and directors
of new movies.

Anyway, they showed the making of a film based on a Kurt Vonegunt (sp?) novel.
It consisted of a series of short stories, the last of which starred Don
Davis (Major Briggs). In this film, he plays a US military officier/diplomat
who gets caught up in a revolution in South America.

The climax of the film involves a life-size chess game!

Unfortunately, I didn't catch the name but I believe it is to be released 
relatively soon.

Talk about deja-vu!

Jonathan H. Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

In article <1992Jan6.132627.19110@hellgate.utah.edu> cdoe%pale.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Carlton Doe) writes:
> >1.6.92
> >
> >The other day I happened to be cruising my local video store and saw a tape
> >titled something like "I'm deadly tonight" or "I'm dangerous tonight".  Any-
> >way, the lead character was none other than Amick Madchen.  From the cover
> >the story is supposed about her finding a cape with demonic powers.  If she
> >wears the cape, people end up getting sliced and diced.  Didn't rent it but
> >wondered if anyone else had seen it.

Yes, I watched it last week.  I sort of felt sorry for Madchen,
because she did some good acting in this film, but the plot was
pretty much run-of-the-mill horror/slasher film.  It's not real
violent, though, and does have some interesting ideas.  I won't
give away any of the plot, but boy does she look great in every-
thing she wears.

Todd.
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In article <2479@cvbnetPrime.COM> pgallant@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet) writes:
> >  No, she was the Danbury's daughter.  It looked like she was doing homework
> >  or something on the floor when the guy came over to have dinner.  

This is true.  I remember reading the posts on Dead Poet's Society the night
it was shown and looked for her name.  She played Ginny.  Knox's crush was
on Chris (The blond).

> >  As far as the extra minutes go,  I don't remember the part when Neil got
> >  the part in the play and he and his roommate (I forgot his name) went down
> >  to the water and were dancing on the dock.  Was this new?

I think there were a few more.  The scence with the principle giving out the 
extra-curricular activities was new.  The scene with the bindfolds was new too.
And the scene with the Lara.

> >  I love this movie and still brought tears to my eyes the second time around.
> >  Wasn't this based on a true story?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong along with the rest of the stuff
I've stated.

This was a great movie.  I loved it.  I liked the extra minutes that they
tacked on, my question is why did they cut them?  These scenes helped the
movie flow better.  One of my few complaints about this movie is that it 
seemed to be taking on a bit much.  The extra scenes helped the movie. 
Oh well.  :)   BTW, would you see a movie that is 2 1/2 or 3 hours if it 
helped the movie?

Ernie
Krazykid@bucsf.bu.edu

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In article <1992Jan6.185937.2766@ac.dal.ca>, davidson@ac.dal.ca writes...

} I saw an interesting blurb the other night on _Movie Television_, a
} Canadian production that does behind-the-scenes interviews with the
} cast and directors of new movies.

} Anyway, they showed the making of a film based on a Kurt Vonegunt (sp?)
} novel. It consisted of a series of short stories, the last of which
} starred Don Davis (Major Briggs). In this film, he plays a US military
} officier/diplomat who gets caught up in a revolution in South America.

} The climax of the film involves a life-size chess game!

} Unfortunately, I didn't catch the name but I believe it is to be released 
} relatively soon.

The film in question is called KURT VONNEGUT'S MONKEY HOUSE, and adapted
three short stories from his collection WELCOME TO THE MONKEY HOUSE. It
was produced in Canada last year as an original film for the US premium
cable station Showtime. It debuted on Showtime last May. The segment with
Don Davis was titled "All the King's Horses". Personally, I thought this
one the weakest of the three.

-- "Striker, you listen and listen close. Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <1992Jan5.215747.24143@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu>, panizo@sanantonio.cs.tcu.edu (Maria Panizo) writes...

} t episode you mentioned was credited as being directed by Alan Smithee?
} Do you all realise that Alan Smithee is not a real person but a psuedonym
} used by directors when due to artistic or political reasons do not want
} their name associated with a particular work or piece?

Yes, some of us know that quite well. In fact, David Lynch used it for the
expanded television version of DUNE.

} It's used frequently when a director is fired and the job is taken over
} by another director.

Funny, I've *never* heard of it being used for this reason.

} It's also used when a director for one reason or another is not allowed
} the creative freedom to do what they want and it's a statement of protest.

This is actually the primary reason it's used. "Alan Smithee" was invented
by the Directors Guild of America, and the DGA allegedly requires its use
if a director wants his name removed from a film, though I know of a couple
of films in which the director used his or her own pseudonym rather than
the DGA-sanctioned "Alan Smithee".

} This is a tradition that has been used since the 40's with feature films.

Absolutely incorrect. Alan Smithee was "born" in 1968.

-- "Striker, you listen and listen close. Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

It is called "Welcome to the Monkey House", based on the Vonnegut
collection by the same name.  I saw it some time last summer on cable,
can't remember which channel.  The story was changed quite a bit from the
original, and made much better, IMHO, and it was probably Vonnegut's best
short story to begin with.  The Major got a much bigger part than he
did in Hook.

Dave Bell
belld@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

has there been a followup for the second season's soundtrack? i have the
first but would like to get ahold of some of the songs from the next season.
-a
--
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"wow bob wow", said betty.

In article <1992Jan6.132627.19110@hellgate.utah.edu> cdoe%pale.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Carlton Doe) writes:
> >1.6.92
> >
> >The other day I happened to be cruising my local video store and saw a tape
> >titled something like "I'm deadly tonight" or "I'm dangerous tonight".  Any-
> >way, the lead character was none other than Amick Madchen.  From the cover
> >the story is supposed about her finding a cape with demonic powers.  If she
> >wears the cape, people end up getting sliced and diced.  Didn't rent it but
> >wondered if anyone else had seen it.

Well, you almost got it right! Try "Madchen Amick"...

Regards,

Bill

-- Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.usDOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC. 68 Washington St, Natick, MA 01760 508-655-3040

I noticed the other night that the Twin Peaks pilot and a seven-tape boxed 
set were in the local Blockbuster.  Needless to say, I was drooling.

Then I took a closer look.  The pilot tape contains "extra footage" at the 
end.  I've seen it, and IMHO it is HORRIBLE!!  Secondly, the boxed set only 
goes up to the shooting of Agent Cooper.

So my questions are:  What is the point in buying a boxed set that never 
gets to the point where the murder is solved?  Are there plans to release 
any more of TP on video tape?  What does a person have to do to get the 
pilot episode as originally aired, ie ending with the medalion being dug up?

Also, is there any chance of syndication in the future?  You can't turn on 
the telly without seeing syndicated reruns of "Mama's Family" and "Carter 
Country."  Any chance that somebody like Lifetime may pick up TP??

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I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
shoot it down if you like:

Laura was not killed by Leland!

   Laura died of food poisoning from the diner, and the whole town 
conspired to hush it up.

In article <1992Jan07.162102.27949dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
> > shoot it down if you like:
> > 
> > Laura was not killed by Leland!



     Well.....killed by Bob through Leland.  Tell more of your theory.



"Just for the taste of it, Diet Coke!"    Mike.

     I was just curious if anyone has read any decent 'bizarre' books
that would be worth reading...


"Just for the taste of it, Diet Coke!"    Mike.

Hey Peakers!


I saw a ABC Columbo promo with Dick Tremayne (spelling???) as a character! 
Anyone have more info????????????




Cheers!!



Don Kasprzak
UToledo

In article <1992Jan7.173049.7738@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Laura died of food poisoning from the diner, and the whole town 
> > conspired to hush it up.

Right.  She was dead, wrapped in Saran Wrap.
-- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...

Oh yeah, possible spoilers (eg for Sweden or somewhere which has just
started watching ^TP^) so hit 'n' now to skip:

dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:

> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
> > shoot it down if you like:
> > 
> > Laura was not killed by Leland!

Really? That's kind of an unusual theory (but given this *is* Twin
Peaks, I wouldn't like to just dismiss it out of hand). Any reasons for
your statement?
                                                - k

--
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Decisions terminate panic.

In article <1992Jan07.162102.27949dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
> > shoot it down if you like:
> > 
> > Laura was not killed by Leland!

 Well, an interesting idea.  Unfortunately, all you given us is a statement,
the declerative part of a theory.  What must follow next is a set of facts 
supporting this theory.  With what you've given us, all I forsee is
indifference.

In article <1992Jan7.173049.7738@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Laura died of food poisoning from the diner, and the whole town 
> >conspired to hush it up.

And BOB served the meal...


-- Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.usDOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC. 68 Washington St, Natick, MA 01760 508-655-3040

Did anyone see that Moonlighting episode with Ray Wise portraying (surprise) a
crazed psycho? A police officer is assigned to protect Maddie who looked alot
like Sheriff Truman. Sorry if this was already posted. 

Also there is a nice twopage review of the filming of the new tp movie by 
Greg Olson in the current issue of hmmm I think Cinema. 
--
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"wow bob wow", said betty.

How did David Lynch get involved with directing the teaser for Michael Jackson's
video introductions of Dangerous on FOX? It was terrific even though I'm not a
MJ fan. Loved those cacti.... -a
--
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INTERNET: alani@uhunix.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU
"wow bob wow", said betty.

stella@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (RICHH) writes:

> >      "Here," said Karen, tossing me a pink pill.  Lithium.  300
> > grams.  Karen and I both shared this particular quirk.  

Wow... _BIG_ pill.  Must really do the job, though I guess you can't
take a bath for a couple days afterward, or you'll catch fire.

"Now open reeeeeaal wiiiiiiiide"

---
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1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA   ...!uunet!wang!fitz

In article <1992Jan6.132627.19110@hellgate.utah.edu>, cdoe%pale.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Carlton Doe) writes:
> > 1.6.92
> > 
> > The other day I happened to be cruising my local video store and saw a tape
> > titled something like "I'm deadly tonight" or "I'm dangerous tonight".  Any-
> > way, the lead character was none other than Amick Madchen.  From the cover
> > the story is supposed about her finding a cape with demonic powers.  If she
> > wears the cape, people end up getting sliced and diced.  Didn't rent it but
> > wondered if anyone else had seen it.
> > 
WOW! Talk about coincidence! I'm Dangerous Tonight was on TV last night. I
 missed the first half ( had to go to a fraternity meeting), but the second
half was pretty good. The movie also stars Anthony Perkins, the guy from psycho.


I have a request for everyone out there in netland. Does anyone have an address
where Ms. amick can be reached? I am sure I am her number one fan. If anyone
has an address or any information at all about her, could you email? I do not
often get to read this newsgroup. My address is
01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Thanks
M.

Please forgive me if this is an old, rehashed subject.  I haven't 
followed this group for a while.

My sister just returned from California (we live in Canada); she told me
that TP tapes are available in KMart(!).  My parents are still there,
and I might like to get them to pick some up, if the price is right.

Anyway, are all episodes available? (pilot/first season/second season)?
One or more episodes per tape?  I can't see them travelling for 3 days
on the train lugging 22 tapes!  What's the list price?  And what is the
price you'd expect to pay in a discount store, like KMart?

Thanks for your info.

-- Diane MacMartin Bell-Northern Research, Ltd Ottawa, Canada mdm@bnr.ca Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR. =========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========

Twin peaks was a flop so that is why it was axed by the company who made it 
in the first place.  It was absolutely confusing especially the last ever 
episode when that man goes upto the mirror and bangs his head against it and 
starts laughing.  That is where it ends.  The question is what happened next?

>> >> Has anyone else heard the rumor that Madonna was to do
>> >> a guest-voice?
> > In what would have been one of television's finest moments,
> > Madonna was to do the voice of Bart's first girlfriend in
> > "Bart the Lover." Alas, 'twas not to be.

=@= Ah, but you forgot the *good* news!  Madonna's voice
was replaced by that of Kimmie Roberts.  Kimmie is,
of course, "Lucy" on _Twin_Peaks_.                            (****)
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In article <1992Jan7.115839.51660@cc.usu.edu>, sl7w3@cc.usu.edu writes:
> > In article <1992Jan07.162102.27949dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
>> > > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>> > > shoot it down if you like:
>> > > 
>> > > Laura was not killed by Leland!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      Well.....killed by Bob through Leland.  Tell more of your theory.
> > 
> > 
> > 

Ok,

In the final episode Coop meets Leland in the Black Lodge, and Leland says
in backspeak: "I didn't kill anybody." There was a teaser on a video release
of TP which said "So you think you know who killed Laura Palmer?" (After the
series was all over.) We all *assumed* that Leland was the killer when he
killed Maddie. The most damaging point I can see against this theory is
Lelend's confession, but I'm not sure he ever specifically said he killed
Laura. Perhaps Bob worked through some other person to kill Laura.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Darragh Nagle    -    Still having trouble with the toothpaste...

In article <1992Jan08.164004.185dawn@netcom.COM> dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
> >In article <1992Jan7.115839.51660@cc.usu.edu>, sl7w3@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> >> In article <1992Jan07.162102.27949dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
>>> >> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>>> >> > shoot it down if you like:
 
>>> >> > Laura was not killed by Leland!
 
>> >>      Well.....killed by Bob through Leland.  Tell more of your theory.

> >Ok,

> >In the final episode Coop meets Leland in the Black Lodge, and Leland says
> >in backspeak: "I didn't kill anybody." There was a teaser on a video release
> >of TP which said "So you think you know who killed Laura Palmer?" (After the
> >series was all over.) We all *assumed* that Leland was the killer when he
> >killed Maddie. The most damaging point I can see against this theory is
> >Lelend's confession, but I'm not sure he ever specifically said he killed
> >Laura. Perhaps Bob worked through some other person to kill Laura.

Leland didn't actually say it, but you couldn't have forgotten
his "howling" response to "Did you kill Laura Palmer?"  They just
teased us to the end I guess. 

Rocky Giovinazzo

>>> >> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>>> >> > shoot it down if you like:
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Laura was not killed by Leland!
 
>> >>      Well.....killed by Bob through Leland.  Tell more of your theory.
 
> > In the final episode Coop meets Leland in the Black Lodge, and Leland says
> > in backspeak: "I didn't kill anybody." There was a teaser on a video release
> > of TP which said "So you think you know who killed Laura Palmer?" (After the
> > series was all over.) We all *assumed* that Leland was the killer when he
> > killed Maddie. The most damaging point I can see against this theory is
> > Lelend's confession, but I'm not sure he ever specifically said he killed
> > Laura. Perhaps Bob worked through some other person to kill Laura.


     Well, see I thought that Bob took over Leland's body...meanwhile Leland
had no idea of what was going on.  And when Leland killed Maddie...just
before he looked in the mirror revealing Bob.  


-Mike.

I'm a major twin peaker!  In fact Mark Frost graduated from Carnegie
Mellon University where I work as the Public Relations rep for the
College of Fine Arts.  I'm trying to find a copy of the European Version
of the show...I need help!  Any suggestions.....

saul

boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:

> > In article <1992Jan5.215747.24143@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu>, panizo@sanantonio.cs
> > 
> > } t episode you mentioned was credited as being directed by Alan Smithee?
> > } Do you all realise that Alan Smithee is not a real person but a psuedonym
> > } used by directors when due to artistic or political reasons do not want
> > } their name associated with a particular work or piece?
> > 
> > Yes, some of us know that quite well. In fact, David Lynch used it for the
> > expanded television version of DUNE.

As the original poster of the message concerning the Jan. 26th episode 
"anniversary," you guys are missing the point. Fake episode, fake 
director. Just thought it would be funny. Hee hee.

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In article <gbashir.5@fs2.mcc.ac.uk> gbashir@fs2.mcc.ac.uk (Gulaf Bashir) writes:

> >Twin peaks was a flop so that is why it was axed by the company who made it 
> >in the first place.

Twin Peaks is far from a flop - for todays general public it is just
far too intelligent and intense entertainment to be produced as a form
of a TV show.

--
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  I'd like to ask that someone please post the FTP sight address for the 
Twin Peaks stuff, I've heard there was a FTP site, but I lost the address, 
and now the board I call got FTP access.. ARGH 8)  Thanks In advance!
 
 
  ** There was a fish *IN* the percolator!  


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dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:

> > In article <1992Jan7.115839.51660@cc.usu.edu>, sl7w3@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> > > In article <1992Jan07.162102.27949dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darrag
>>> > > > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>>> > > > shoot it down if you like:
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Laura was not killed by Leland!
>> > > 
>> > >      Well.....killed by Bob through Leland.  Tell more of your theory.
>> > > 
> > Ok,
> > 
> > In the final episode Coop meets Leland in the Black Lodge, and Leland says
> > in backspeak: "I didn't kill anybody." There was a teaser on a video release
> > of TP which said "So you think you know who killed Laura Palmer?" (After the
> > series was all over.) We all *assumed* that Leland was the killer when he
> > killed Maddie. The most damaging point I can see against this theory is
> > Lelend's confession, but I'm not sure he ever specifically said he killed
> > Laura. Perhaps Bob worked through some other person to kill Laura.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Darragh Nagle    -    Still having trouble with the toothpaste...

You know, there might be something to that.  Bob is, after all, the 
"Father of Lies" (read The Devil, if you wish), and he could have 
convinced Leland that HE killed Laura, whereas she really killed herself.
Perhaps Laura killed herself while under control of Bob.  Or even more 
believably, Laura could have escaped Bob's clutches and decided to commit 
suicide rather than face returning under his control.  In any case, Bob 
could have done away with Laura using any "vehicle", if he so desired.  
Maybe the Owls killed her!  I always felt that Ronnette Pulaski could 
have a lot to say, but didn't get to for some reason.
 
Bob "feeds on fear", remember?  Death is something we all fear to a 
certain degree.  Perhaps Laura reached a spiritual point to where she 
didn't fear death any more.  She could be still alive in the Black Lodge. 
Which doesn't mean she can come back...the mystery compounds, doesn't it?
 
Quote from episode 2009:
 
BOB (in Leland's body) - AH YEAH, I SUPPOSE YOU WANNA ASK HIM SOME
         QUESTIONS, HUH?
COOPER - Did you kill Laura Palmer?
BOB (in Leland's body) [howls like a dog and then says]: THAT'S A YES.
 
Does that mean Bob killed Laura while in Leland's body?  He says ask "HIM"
some questions, refering to Leland.  Is this the devil trying to confuse 
us?  Or giving COOPER what he wants so that he won't investigate too far?
Is the entity that Cooper is talking to Bob, or Leland, or some 
combination of both of them that we do not as yet understand?

In any case, with Twin Peaks, the writers need never fear being boxed into a 
a corner by their own plotting.  There is enough of a fantasy element in 
the storyline to allow practically any kind of Deus Ex Machina to occur.  
So don't be surprized...

In article <gbashir.5@fs2.mcc.ac.uk>, gbashir@fs2.mcc.ac.uk (Gulaf Bashir) writes...

} Twin peaks was a flop so that is why it was axed by the company who
} made it in the first place.

Wrong. It was *not* "axed by the company who made it in the first place".
It was axed by the broadcasting network that transmitted it. Two greatly
different entities.

} It was absolutely confusing 

Not to me.

} especially the last ever episode when that man goes upto the mirror
} and bangs his head against it and starts laughing.

What was confusing about that?  He was possessed by the spirit of Bob,
whose possession of another character in the show caused that character
to kill Laura Palmer, among others.

} That is where it ends. The question is what happened next?

Maybe someday we'll find out. But keep in mind that the show was not axed
because it left questions unanswered at that point, but the show left
questions unanswered at that point because it was axed.

-- "Striker, you listen and listen close. Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

On Wednesday's (at least in LA) Jeopardy, they had an answer that
mentioned food, Special Agent Dale Cooper, and his secretary.  The
question was "What is Steak Diane?"

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In article <gbashir.5@fs2.mcc.ac.uk> gbashir@fs2.mcc.ac.uk (Gulaf Bashir) writes:
> >Twin peaks was a flop so that is why it was axed by the company who made it 
> >in the first place.  It was absolutely confusing especially the last ever 
> >episode when that man goes upto the mirror and bangs his head against it and 
> >starts laughing.  That is where it ends.  The question is what happened next?
this statement reminds me of the scene in Stand By Me where wil wheaton's 
character tell's the Barforama story.  after he finishes the other kids don't
understand that the story was complete in itself; any other conclusion would 
have been superfluous. note that lynch chose to create tp-fwwm with a PREquel...-a 

--
Alan Isobe, REXIS
INTERNET: alani@uhunix.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU
"wow bob wow", said betty.

In article <L628DB3w164w@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> >Oh yeah, possible spoilers (eg for Sweden or somewhere which has just
> >started watching ^TP^) so hit 'n' now to skip:
> >
> >dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
> >
>> >> I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>> >> shoot it down if you like:
>> >> 
>> >> Laura was not killed by Leland!
> >
> >Really? That's kind of an unusual theory (but given this *is* Twin
> >Peaks, I wouldn't like to just dismiss it out of hand). Any reasons for
> >your statement?
> >                                                - k
> >
one thing that occurred to me when i thought about it was that the method
of maddie's killing didn't really match the ceremonial execution of the
known previous murders.  for instance, the letter under the fingernail and
the sm murder. it was violent but not really in the same vein as the other
murders. -a 

--
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INTERNET: alani@uhunix.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU
"wow bob wow", said betty.

In article <okV0DB1w164w@midiline.la.ca.us>, johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
> > certain degree.  Perhaps Laura reached a spiritual point to where she 
> > didn't fear death any more.  She could be still alive in the Black Lodge. 

I like that idea!
[Play spooky black lodge music from final episode]
[Watch Laura Palmer coming out of the black lodge!]

> > Quote from episode 2009:
> >  
> > BOB (in Leland's body) - AH YEAH, I SUPPOSE YOU WANNA ASK HIM SOME
> >          QUESTIONS, HUH?
> > COOPER - Did you kill Laura Palmer?
> > BOB (in Leland's body) [howls like a dog and then says]: THAT'S A YES.
                                       ^^^

I kinda thought he was hooting like an owl.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Darragh Nagle    -   Maybe it's this damn neat squeeze tube?

In <1992Jan08.164004.185dawn@netcom.COM> dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh Nagle) writes:
>>> >> > I've developed a theory, I'm sure it has flaws, so
>>> >> > shoot it down if you like:
>>> >> > Laura was not killed by Leland!
> >In the final episode Coop meets Leland in the Black Lodge, and Leland says
> >in backspeak: "I didn't kill anybody." There was a teaser on a video release
> >of TP which said "So you think you know who killed Laura Palmer?" (After the
> >series was all over.) We all *assumed* that Leland was the killer when he
> >killed Maddie. The most damaging point I can see against this theory is
> >Lelend's confession, but I'm not sure he ever specifically said he killed
> >Laura. Perhaps Bob worked through some other person to kill Laura.

Leland _did_ say he killed Laura. From the `timeline', episode 2009:

   -- Cooper tells his story of how the answer was staring him in the
      face all this time - Leland's dancing, grey hair, Robertson, the
      letters, the secret diary.  Leland recites Mike's poem and BOB's
      response.  The sprinklers go off and Leland rams his head into the door.
      <Cooper, Albert, and Truman burst into the room. The sprinkler system
      has gone off and water is pouring over them all>
      Cooper: Call an ambulance! <Cooper kneels next to Leland and cradles
        Leland's head in his lap.  For the rest of the scene he strokes
        Leland's hair and face, comforting him.>
      Leland: Oh God!  Laura!  I killed her.  Oh my God, I killed my daughter.
        I didn't know.  Forgive me.  

Of course BOB was working through Leland, but it was Leland who actually
killed Laura.
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hobbit@netlink.cts.com (Pierre Cadieux) writes:


> >  I'd like to ask that someone please post the FTP sight address for the 
> >Twin Peaks stuff, I've heard there was a FTP site, but I lost the address, 
> >and now the board I call got FTP access.. ARGH 8)  Thanks In advance!
> > 
> > 
> >  ** There was a fish *IN* the percolator!  


> >--                    
> > hobbit@netlink.cts.com (Pierre Cadieux)  
> >NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 435-6181

The address is:

audrey.sait.edu.au   (I don't know the IP numbers)

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I heard that the movie "Twin Peaks" will be released soon.
Is there a novel of this movie version
as there was a novle of the TV version?

BOB (in Leland's body) [howls like a dog and then says]: THAT'S A YES.
                                     ^^^
> > I kinda thought he was hooting like an owl.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Darragh Nagle    -   Maybe it's this damn neat squeeze tube?

When I first watched the scene on TV, I thought of a gibbering baboon, 
actually.  I just wrote "howls like a dog" to see what response I'd get.  
Kinda makes you wanna see what the direction in the final written script
was, doesn't it??

Any one?

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johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:

> > You know, there might be something to that.  Bob is, after all, the 
> > "Father of Lies" (read The Devil, if you wish), and he could have 
> > convinced Leland that HE killed Laura, whereas she really killed herself.
> > Perhaps Laura killed herself while under control of Bob.  Or even more 
> > believably, Laura could have escaped Bob's clutches and decided to commit 
> > suicide rather than face returning under his control.  In any case, Bob 
> > could have done away with Laura using any "vehicle", if he so desired.  
> > Maybe the Owls killed her!  I always felt that Ronnette Pulaski could 
> > have a lot to say, but didn't get to for some reason.

My theory (which is mine...) is that BOB had really possessed Ben and had
> >him< kill Laura (and also fast-talk) Catherine into being able to provide
an alibi. This also supposes that Ben was Laura's real father. BOB
possessed Leland for the first time on the night that he killed Jacques --
the shock of possession turned Leland's hair white.

--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt        ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe         (512)450-1916

I taped the last episode of Twin Peaks and guess what, the tape ran out
before the show finished.
Anyway can someone enlighten me as to the following:
(1) Why are the giant and the room servant from the hotel "one and the same"?
(2) What are they doing in the black lodge, particularly as the giant had
several times warned Cooper of impending danger?
(3) What happens after Cooper has finished speaking to the dwarf, giant,
Laura etc. and goes into the corridor (just after he is given the coffee)?
(4) Do we see Windom Earle and Annie again?

Thanks, Robbie McDonald.

In article <u9H0DB1w164w@halcyon.com>, hikaru@halcyon.com (Demosthenes) writes...

} boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:

}} In article <1992Jan5.215747.24143@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu>, panizo@sanantonio.cs
[about Alan Smithee]

} As the original poster of the message concerning the Jan. 26th episode 
} "anniversary," you guys are missing the point. Fake episode, fake 
} director. Just thought it would be funny. Hee hee.

Sorry, but I was not "missing the point". I understood what you were
talking about. All I was doing was correcting the other person's
misinformation about the name Alan Smithee. I don't see why that suggests
that I was missing your point.

-- "Striker, you listen and listen close. Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <LqkBeB2w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
|> johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:
|> 
|> > You know, there might be something to that.  Bob is, after all, the 
|> > "Father of Lies" (read The Devil, if you wish), and he could have 
|> > convinced Leland that HE killed Laura, whereas she really killed herself.
|> > Perhaps Laura killed herself while under control of Bob.  Or even more 
|> > believably, Laura could have escaped Bob's clutches and decided to commit 
|> > suicide rather than face returning under his control.  In any case, Bob 
|> > could have done away with Laura using any "vehicle", if he so desired.  
|> > Maybe the Owls killed her!  I always felt that Ronnette Pulaski could 
|> > have a lot to say, but didn't get to for some reason.
|> 
|> My theory (which is mine...) is that BOB had really possessed Ben and had
|> >him< kill Laura (and also fast-talk) Catherine into being able to provide
|> an alibi. This also supposes that Ben was Laura's real father. BOB
|> possessed Leland for the first time on the night that he killed Jacques --
|> the shock of possession turned Leland's hair white.

Nah, it was Dale Cooper all along. 

BOB just left him for a bit of fun whilst he (Dale) was messing around trying
to find the killer (himself.) The last episode is just BOB coming home 
again after a bit of a holiday. :-) Just kiddding.

Read what you like into the scripts, I very much doubt that anything like the
effort expended now in resolving the loose ends and tying the whole story
into a more global mythos ever went into the origonal writing. Personally I
feel that part of Lynch's art is the ability to know when to stop
embelishing. He understands more by visceral feel how to set the atmoshere
and incorporate background to flesh out the charaters.  What he really
understands is the art of not overdoing things. To totally map out the entire
world with a full structure in minute detail is like overworking a painting.
Suddenly it losses its life and vitality. It is like comparing a super
realist painting with an impressionist. Somehow there is no depth to the super
real and yet in the simplicity of the impressionist one sees true emotion
expressed. Not the best of analogues but you get the idea.

My whole enjoyment of Twin Peaks was really one of feel. I really miss
the atmoshere that seeped out of the tube each week. Especially in the
early episodes when the atmoshere seemd so much thicker. Somehow it
started to thin out as time progressed and the plots become more ridiculous
than deep and forboding. Ho Humm, I still really hope they can manage to
start again. It is the only reason I still subscribe to this group, hoping
that one day someone will hear some good news.


Francis Vaughan

In article <1992Jan08.132822.20664@bnr.ca>, mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin) writes...

} My sister just returned from California (we live in Canada); she told me
} that TP tapes are available in KMart(!).  My parents are still there,
} and I might like to get them to pick some up, if the price is right.

} Anyway, are all episodes available? (pilot/first season/second season)?

Only the European version of the pilot (adds 15-20 minutes of extra
material to solve the mystery and make it a stand-alone movie) and
the seven one-hour episodes from the first season.

} One or more episodes per tape?

One episode per tape (thus, 8 tapes in all).

} What's the list price?

I'm not positive (tapes? I don' need no steenking tapes) but I believe
that the Euroversion pilot lists for $30 and the first season episodes
for $15 each. The seven episodes are also available together in a single
longbox for $100.

} And what is the price you'd expect to pay in a discount store, like KMart?

No idea.

Me, I have a 13-laserdisc Japanese import set of the entire series (minus
the pilot; the Euroversion is available separately) on order.

-- "Striker, you listen and listen close. Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

Hello !!!

I can't reach audrey.sait.edu.au ....
It's an error in our machine, someone tried to explain it to me why it 
doesn't work, I understood it, but forgot it again, so I can't explain it 
here. BUT I found out -this might be interesting for european users-
that there is a FTP-site for ^Twin Peaks^-stuff in 

lut.fi
128.214.25.8

and some GIFs in:

nic.funet.fi
 128.214.6.100

Could someone, who has access to both-I think that will be most of you-
please control if there's all the stuff in Finnland ?
Perhaps could someone put the audrey-stuff there ???...
Thanx 
 
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