Season 2, Episode 08: Drive with a Dead Girl — November 17–30, 1990

In article <2745@ux.acs.umn.edu>, ehall@ux.acs.umn.edu (Kevin Hansen) writes...

} Yes, it is on compact disk. I've seen for about #13, but I'm leary of
} buying it until I've heard a review. If anyone has it, please let me
} know what you think.

You've already heard it. It's the same music that you here in the series.
Except that the pieces are arranged to have beginnings, middles, and
ends, rather than just coming in and going out at random.

Personally, I think it's a great album. One of the few purely-musical
(as opposed to song-filled) soundtracks I've ever heard that actually
sounds terrific outside of the context of the film/show. It took listening
to the album to make me realize just how damn good a composer Angelo
Badalamenti is. Not that I didn't think he was good before, it's just
that he's really, *really* good.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <114030029@hpcuhd.HP.COM>, grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes...

} Ok, I'm fed up. The show has begun its inevitable deterioration. Why do
} I say this? Think about these for a moment:

} 1.  Sarah Palmer had an amazing recovery, didn't she? And a very convenient
}    loss of memory, it seems.

Recovery from what?  We don't know that she was physically injured the
night before. It could've been some psychic trauma, which might also
account for her "convenient loss of memory".

} 2.  Hank is one hell of slippery fellow. Last time we saw him, Jean had
}    a gun to his head.

Yes, and it wouldn't take long for Jean to see that the person he's got
his gun on and the photo on the ID do not match (Jean is *not* as stupid
as his brothers are :-)). Hank seems to be well skilled in ingratiating
himself to others. Most likely, he and Jean cut a deal, which is no less
than what I expected will happen. We've no doubt not heard that last on
this score.

} 3.  I wonder if Daryl will ever notice that his wallet's missing? Maybe
}    when he finally gets around to paying for the dinner he had at the RR
}    two nights ago?

Assuming, of course, that he actually keeps his money in his wallet. I
don't, so I don't *assume* that anyone else does. Besides, I've always
been under the impression that the wallet that police, etc. use for
their badges and ID's is separate from their billfolds.

As for Daryl noticing his missing wallet, presumably he has. I don't see
any reason why he must assume that someone stole it, though. Don't you
lose things on occasion?

} 4.  Leland has been BOB for "nearly forty years."  In that time, to our
}    knowledge, he has killed (at most) three people.              ^^^^^^
     ^^^^^^^^^

I think that's the operative phrase.

} 5.  We now know how Leland really makes his living: he sells Amway products.
}    Didn't the wonderful Amway carpet cleaner do an outstanding job on the
}    blood-stained carpet of Leland's living room?

What blood-stained carpet. Take a look at that scene again. There really
wasn't all that much blood, and most of it was on Maddy's face. There's
no reason to believe he had to clean up the carpet much.

} 7.  Lucy sure loves to drive. Why she's been known to drive hundreds of
}    miles in a 48 hour period!

Hundreds of miles in a 48 hour period?  What's wrong with that?  Assuming
an average speed of 50 mph, it would take four hours to travel 200 miles.
I don't see the problem.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) writes:

> > In article <47215@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writ
>> > >Ray Wise wasn't the only actor filmed looking into the mirror and seeing BOB
>> > >Richard Beymer was looked in the mirror.  
> > 
> > This should make the "Ben-did-it's" feel better.
> > 

Well, what it seems that Lynch does is that he writes and shoots multiple 
versions of each scene, so that even the actors aren't sure of what will 
happen next. There's also a lot of meaningless crap that is shot that is 
later edited out that is evidently there to confuse the actors further. 
Then, he works with the editors to put together, using all of this 
extraneous garbage, the episode that he originally had in mind when he 
wrote it. ("It" meaning the outline, or the script, or whatever he writes 
for each episode - probably an outline) 

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:

> > In article <iXJus2w163w@halcyon.uucp> hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes
> > Also, remember the tainted I.V.  
> > 
> > There is still the problem that the letter-under-the-fingernail seems to
> > indicate BOB's presence, while the blue I.V. (assuming that it is the same 
> > drug as used by the OAM--has that been established?) is OWL-garlic--a protec-
> > tion from possession.  This juxaposition has not yet been explained.

I'm trying to figure out a reason why everybody thinks the I.V. was 
tainted! "It looks like blue dye" is what Albert said. Whoa! Suspicious 
language there! And later - OAM's hypo has blue liquid in it. Yep - gotta 
be a connection there. >HEAVY SARCASM<
My impression of "It looks like blue dye" was that it was nothing more 
than a quote for people who read too deeply into things.

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

I got the ten part HyperCard Stack from (128.195.1.1) and tried to unpack
it on my machine.  I failed.  Stuffit's binhex extractor did recognize that
the file was a Compactor file, but I got an "Unexpected end of file" error
when I unpacked it.

I do have one possible solution... the files were not saved in order (in
other words, the files were `cat` into one file, but not necessarily in
order).  Could this be a problem?  I tried to use the Binhex standalone,
but it did not type the file correctly, so I figured it wasn't working.
What might I be doing wrong?

-- | kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu |Growing up leads to growing old, and then to dying, and| |---------------------|dying to me don't sound like all that much fun. | | Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. Euripedes |

dez@cbnewsk.att.com (daniel.e.zuccarelli) writes:
> > In article <28270@usc>, marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) writes:
>> > > In article <114030029@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
>>> > > >8.  Cooper sure is a strange guy, and his memory is shoddy.  It seems
>>> > > >    like only a coupla weeks ago, he was explaining to Harry why the
>>> > > >    murder of Laura and the attack on Ronette was a Federal case.
>> > > Huh?
> > I think the poster is referring to the discussion Cooper had with Harry when
> > they first met in the 1st season premier.  I don't remember all the
> > verbage, but basically it was Cooper saying when the Bureau is called in
> > on a case, the Bureau is in charge and expects full cooperation from the
> > local authourities.  Harry basically said 'No problem'.  
> > This was a little inconsistent with the 'Harry, this is your neck of the
> > woods' attitude.

        Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cooper is also a man of humility, 
and has said, "Harry, the last thing I want you to worry about is some 
city slicker in your town relieving himself upstream."  Seems to me that 
when Sherrif Truman has a good reason to bust a man for murder, which is 
in his jurisdiction, he's got every right, even when Cooper feels the 
sherrif may be wrong.  And Cooper at least has the horse sense to defer, 
even if he (Cooper) hasn't made HIS case yet.
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Elf Sternberg      | All the evidence points to it!  It must be wrong! 
elf@halcyon.wa.com |                            - Capt. R. Simon Newark
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In a previous post the giant was equated with the 
collective, group feeling, unity, the collective
unconscious.  Perhaps then it is a 
appropriate that he appears to Cooper who seems generally
well attuned to the people around him, and that he appears
in the Roadhouse where people come to gather, like a church.
 
It is touching that even though Maddy was a stranger, not of
the town, know to few,  and even though she is attacked in secret,
far from help, the other people of the town still feel
a loss.
 
One of the reasons for switching back and forth from the isolation
of the Palmer home to the group safety of the Roadhouse is to show
the connection between the two.
 
In the most recent episode, when Maddy's death comes to light 
(consciousness) Cooper suddenly seems tall, almost a giant.
When he receives the phone call, his head almost seems to touch the
ceiling. To me this indicates that he is now in full
possession of the collective knowledge and also that now he is free
to put his full resources to work. Truman will not hold him back or
prevent him from using his full intuitive ability.
 
ann hodgins

Re:  Doug Quarnstrom's comment that the most likely victim of crime is a
     young black man.

I apologize,in my desire to be brief, I did not qualify my comments regarding
victims of crime.  I was commenting that a significant amount of sexual and
domestic violence in the average American/Canadian community is directed
against women.  The most commonly cited statistic is 1 in 4 women will
be sexually abused compared to 1 in 10 males.  I do not have the numbers
for physical violence, but I would conclude the victims of domestic
violence is higher for women than men.  However these statistics, as
all statistics, are open to interpretation by the reader and may
only reflect the differences of reporting by males and females.



The point I was trying to make is that I do not think the depiction
of violence against women in Twin Peaks is a reflection of misogyny
on the part of the producers of this show, but a reasonably accurate
treatment of women in rural communities (at least as accurate as
anything can be in TV land).  I grew up in a small community and while
there were strong women in the community, there were also a large
number who could be the basis for the female characters on Twin Peaks.

While feminists like to believe that all women are proud and capable of
looking after themselves, the sad fact remains that many women have
become so victimized they are unable to remove themselves from the
situation and the fact that Twin Peaks reflects this should not be
seen as a detriment to the show.

On that note, I am retreating from the discussion regarding anti
feminism on Twin Peaks.  I personally watch Twin Peaks because it is
different and entertaining, and not to obtain any social enlightenment.
If I thought television would provide that, I'd give up my library
card :>)


Linda
:>) Might as well laugh at life, because it sure is laughing at you :>)

A summary of this has been posted already, but I thought I'd include
the rest of the article for your dining and dancing pleasure.  Actually,
it's a summary of yet another article, but I thought it would be of
interest.  This came from my local newspaper.

The other side of Twin Peaks
----------------------------
Mystified by the plot of this bizarre sudser? It's all in the symbolism
----------------------------

By Bill Anderson
The Canadian Press

OK, Peaks freaks, time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Leland Palmer is not suffering a split personality, and if he did kill his
daughter Laura - as the big Nov. 10 episode suggested - the reason wasn't
anger or guilt.

No, poor old Laura managed to figure out the identity of shadowy, long-haired
Bob.  But before she could reveal it, she was offered as a human sacrifice
to the coven of devil worshippers who inhabit Twin Peaks.

That's right - Bob is Mr. Big himself.  The guy with the horns.
Satan.

How do we know all this?

Well, we don't, for sure.

But Toronto Peaksologist Peter Howell has this theory, and since it
appeared in an article in the Toronto Star on Oct. 13, it has suffered
remarkably few setbacks.

The basic idea is that Twin Peaks creators David Lynch and Mark Frost
have been able to disguise their supernatural thriller as an offbeat
whodunit.

Only recently have they begun - as the one-armed man might say - to
show their true face.

In order to see it, however, it helps to understand the raft of
mythical, numerological and religious symbols planted throughout the
series.  (There's also a barrel of TV and movie references - identical
cousins, homages to The Prisoner - but that's another story.)

Howell is convinced that Lynch and Frost are using a reference book -
such as his college textbook A Dictionary of Symbols by J.E. Cirlot -
to plot the design of the series.

Howell said he first twigged to what was going on last season, during
a dream sequence that featured a circle of candles - a symbol of good
- being blown out.

In article <17453@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >} So we just don't get to see that episode? Or will it be shown at a later 
> >} date? (presumably during reruns)
> >
> >Yes, you will get to see that episode -- the following week. TWIN PEAKS
> >is being pre-empted on 11/24 nation-wide.

Before rabid TP fans go on the warpath I should add that ABC's whole
primetime lineup will be preempted on 11/24 (China Beach and
that western show).

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | "I'm going out for a sandwich" (505) 345-5232 | - Ben unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

In article <1990Nov22.014611.9009@watdragon.waterloo.edu> vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov21.183426.22518@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>The university of Waterloo, where I work, recently
>> >>by Leland and that possibly he has been drugging
>> >>Sarah for years? 
>> >>That would explain how Laura could have been
>> >>abused for so many years and her cries for help gone unheeded.
>> >>If Leland also drugged Laura, it would explain why Laura was
>> >>not sure if her experience with bob was real or a dream.
> >
> >Sure .... It could explain a lot.
> >
> >For example, it could explain why Sarah had all those visions of BOB - she
> >was chemically flashing on all those epsiodes when Leland would candy in her
> >coffee and then fiddle with Laura, epsiodes which would be only hazily 
> >remembered by Sarah.  It could explain why Sarah would get inexplicably
> >nervous whenever Leland started to fixate on the dancing with Laura bit.
> >Perhaps she was nervous because Leland was acting weird, but she was also
> >panicy to the point that it would be easy to infer her panic as half remembered
> >episodes of torment!
> >
> >It could also explain the source of Laura's drug habit, and the fact that Laura
> >had a thing with Jaques Renaud (at least, perhaps more) who was a member of the
> >Canadian drug connection - if Leland was a member of the drug connection then
> >it would be much more plausible the Laura would get mixed up in that group of
> >people.
> >
> >vik
 
I think the drug theory really fits well with Sarah's behaviour and with
Laura's impressions of her abuse, but it does not entirely explain her
subsequent drug use.  That is explained in her diary. She found the drugs
on her own and used them to make herself feel strong and able to fight BOB.
However, previous unrealized exposure to drugs might have made her physically
and psychologically more vulnerable to them.
 
ann

Given Lelands penchant for musicals and 30s/40s tunes, I will stick
my neck out and predict we'll soon hear him doing "Me And My Shadow".
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

bgingric@isis.cs.du.edu (Barry L. Gingrich) writes:

> >5.  Who was surprised that Pete loved Josie?  Not many, I'd guess.  But if
> >he's gonna blackmail Ben, he's gonna have to get in line.

I was a bit disappointed when the came close to but missed the famous
Star Wars quote "I've got a bad feeling about this."

> >6.  Why the hell can't Cooper see Leland as BOB?   In the scene with the
> >golf club, the show makes it obvious that BOB is around.  Maybe BOB can
> >somehow control whether or not he's seen as BOB.  Maybe Coop's not as gifted
> >as we thought.  (Heresy?  Maybe.)

In no case where anyone has seen the true face of a spirit while the
inhabitation is taking place.  Gerard has always looked like Gerard,
but Mike the Dwarf looked quite different in the dream.  All of the
sightings of Bob have been when Leland is not physically present; in
the sightings of the Giant SDCTWMDRSW (love them acronyms; I'm going
to be terribly depressed should SDCTWMDRSW actually have a real name)
has been nearby but not physically located with the Giant.

The few scenes where Leland and Bob alternate are all presented either
as Leland/Bob seeing himself, or from the omniscient camera.
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

I am all for the formation of the newsgroup rec.arts.tv.twin-peaks

     Tyger
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What immortal hand or eye dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
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ooops...*sheepish look*
    Tyger
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In article <62543@unix.cis.pitt.edu> tjw@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Terry J. Wood) writes:

> >Now we hear that USENET can not deal with a "temporary" subject.  It
> >must be permanent to be a part of USENET.  I really don't see why this
> >must be true -- it simply hasn't been addressed before.  It's a new idea,
> >that's all.  And let's be realistic, just how long does anyone think
> >USENET will exist?  Forever?  Hardly.  USENET will exist until something
> >makes it obsolete.  The more adaptable USENET is, the longer USENET will
> >last.

mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:

> >I'll tell you why it's true.  Because each system in Usenet is autonomous.
> >There's no board of directors.  And there's no Usenet "superuser".  To
> >successfully remove a group from the net requires LOTS of folks to act in
> >concert.  Until an architectural or other change happens in Usenet, the
> >situation will remain that way.

In other words, give up the idea because it'll never work.  Based on
the fact that most sites still run the net.* groups, right?

As you point out, systems are autonomous.  But they're not on
autopilot, and there *is* an informal mechanism that can do the job.
It's the admins cooperating with each other.  When one of our (iti.org)
neighbors starts feeding us crap, I notice it in the logs and drop them
a line.  The response is usually "Thank you for noticing, I'll fix it
right away."  They do the same for us.  It actually works rather well.

Are we atypical sites?  I hope not.

What needs to change is for news nodes to be a bit less tolerant of
out-of-date neighbors.  If someone seventeen hops down the line is
posting to dead.group a letter from me at home isn't going to do much.
That's impersonal whining from a pedant.  But a note from their
newsfeed carries both personal and political weight.

For future reference, I'm working on a new Cnews logfile analysis
tool that tells you who originated and who fed you bogus news.  Handy
for monitoring just that sort of thing.  Yes, I'll post when it's
done.

Followups to news.groups -- alt.tv.twin-peaks doesn't need any more
clutter.
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:

> >There is still the problem that the letter-under-the-fingernail seems to
> >indicate BOB's presence, while the blue I.V. (assuming that it is the same 
> >drug as used by the OAM--has that been established?) is OWL-garlic--a protec-
> >tion from possession.  This juxaposition has not yet been explained.

I'm glad somebody else has noticed this.  It seems a strong indicator
that (a) Ronette is a host, (b) someone knows it and that someone is
(c) strongly interested in keeping the inhabiting spirit supressed.
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:

> >In article <1990Nov19.175332.4931@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
>> >>TWIN PEAKS FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS

> >However...

>> >>10. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later

> >Try it this way:

 [[ disputed versions excised ]]

> >Of course, if "chants" is the way they displayed it on the closed captions,
> >then I have my head up my posterior again.

Actually, that's a problem with the FAQ list -- it brings up old
discussions.  In cases where there is a definative answer, like the
captions, it would be helpful to note that in the FAQA.
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

In article <1990Nov19.235343.7937@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:

> >What do you bet that the "real" Leland doesn't know he killed Maddy?

cloud9@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Fovell) writes:

> >But, does the real Leland truly believe he took Maddy to the bus station
> >20 minutes before talking to James and Donna (many hours after she was dead)?

Who knows?  It was Bob talking about Maddy and the bus, not Leland.  I
don't think Leland ever put in an appearance last episode.  I'm willing
to bet we haven't seen Leland since the hair turned white.
-- I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe. Mike Godwin

My SO reminds me that shifts between personalities in multiple
personality disorder are triggered by repetitive stimuli such as
metronomes, the passing of telegraph poles in a train ride, etc.
These "triggers" are evidently well known to Lynch et al.; note the
phonograph, the ceiling fans, bouncing balls, associated with
transitions to BOB.

Earl

In article <16417@s.ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K. Glunt --- green eyed devil) writes:
> > The song 'Fishheads' was done by Barnes & Barnes (YEAH! :-) ).
> > I don't know if B&B are Ferrer & Mummy,  but it'd be great if
> > true.  Remember the fish in the coffee pot?   Heh heh.

Well, Mumy is definitely one of Barnes and Barnes.  And I looked at my copy
of one of their CD's for a resemblance in faces.  Yeah, the other one
could be Ferrer.  Also, one of their songs has in the writing credits
"Barnes, Barnes, Joliffe and Ferrer" so he's gotta have some relation
at least.  Anyone have any more reliable info?


b
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Yes. Put twin-peaks into its own group. PLEASE

I'm just very recently a Twin Peaks fan, but I can't resist posting a
completely unfounded, off-the-wall 'Who is BOB' theory:

(by the way, I'm completely up to date on the plot, thanks to two 6
1/2 hour non-stop TP marathon videotape viewings...what a mind
blower!)

OK, here it is (no laughing please)

1) BOB has been 'inhabiting' Twin Peaks for about 40 years
2) Leland is in his mid forties (right??)
3) Leland remembers seeing BOB when he (Leland) was a child.
4) Leland appears to accept BOB's 'possesions' of him without any of
the convulsions that the OAM get when MIKE arrives (or leaves)
5) the killer is (we assume) spelling out ROBERT backwards.

** Is it possible that BOB is (was) somehow related to Leland?? **

Or, more to the point IS BOB Leland's **FATHER** !!??

And what name did Leland give for the mysterious BOB look alike that
he remembers from his childhood??

ROBERTSON.........Robert's son??


Just an off-the-wall theory

Jeff
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jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

> > .-.
> > |I| don't buy the theory that Laura herself has become an
> > `-' inhabiting spirit (and, for example, made Donna "slutty,"
> >     to use an inappropriate term that some clueless types
> >     can't seem to get beyond).  There's no evidence that
> >     she's had any training in magic, which one presumably
> >     needs to have to become such a thing.
I like that theory a lot. Since I read it, I've been flashing frequently 
on Ronette's image of Laura in the traincar -- it's almost as if she was
doing a howl of victory as her soul was "crossing over".

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Hello, by request, here is a current list of TP sounds that I have
sampled to date. I am offering these to anyone who wants to send
me a disk or trade for other sounds. They are all mac compatable,
and take up about 580k uncompressed.

Doug Dulmage

Albert: "I love you sheriff Truman."

Bop: about 12 seconds of Audrey's slinking about music

Cooper: "Diane, I hold in my hand a small box of 
         chocolate bunnies."

Cooper: "Damn fine coffee... AND HOT!"

        "She's dead.. wrapped in plastic!"

Albert: "Senor Droolcup has shall we say, a mind that
         wanders."

Leo:    "Thhhpptt....new shoes."

Cooper: "How long have I been out?"

Cooper: "Is that bag smiling?"

Albert: "Look, it's trying to think."

Waldo:  "Laura...don't go there.."

In article <1990Nov20.182642.5737@cti-software.nl>, pim@cti-software.nl (Pim
Zandbergen) says:
> >
> >lorraine@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Lorraine Leddy) writes:
> >
>> >>My mistake if you wish to join the UK Twin Peaks mailing list please
>> >>mail...
> >
>>> >>>twin-peaks-request@uk.ac.DARESBURY<
> >
> >I tried to mail to this address
> >(well, actually to <twin-peaks-request@DARESBURY.ac.uk>),
> >but my message bounced back.
> >
> >MAILER-DAEMON> Your mail could not be delivered to P.GRIFFITHS because
> >MAILER-DAEMON> no such mail-box exists.
> >MAILER-DAEMON> The text of your message is reproduced here.
> >
> >Did anyone from outside the UK successfully get subscribed ?
> >
> >For those who don't understand, one can receive the BBC in Holland
> >by cable tv.
> >
> >--
> >Pim Zandbergen                          domain : pim@cti-software.nl
> >CTI Software BV                         uucp   : uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ctisbv!pim
> >Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70           phone  : +31 70 3542302
> >2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands      fax    : +31 70 3512837

Sorry folks.

We have had a problem with the way this alias was set up (seems to be in the
wrong case (damm these fine Unix machines!). This should be cured now.

If you have a problem with twin-peaks-request mail to the list manager:

P.Griffiths@uk.ac.dl

(or backwards for those of you who are out of step with the UK :-)

Beware of slow response times (especially across weekends) as Paul attends
college on mondays, and if often unavailible on Fridays.

So far the list is eliciting a good range of dicussion with a reasonable
amount of high quality traffic. All welcome (but you must promise not to
say who-did-it (this shouldn't be a problem because you don't know! I don't
beleive what I've heard so far!)).

If you have problems you can always mail/flame me at:

Kevin Purcell          | kpurcell@liverpool.ac.uk  -or-  kgp@cxa.dl.ac.uk
Surface Science,       |
Liverpool University   | There is now a *Twin Peaks* email discussion list for
Liverpool L69 3BX      | UK Peak Freaks. Mail me for details ....

I think BOB grows on people.  I believe that he initially took over
Leland, as a young boy, in an event associated with fire, as suggested
here by several people.  I think that he has also assumed some kind of
control of Sarah, which accounts for her odd behavior the night of
Maddy's murder (and the morning after, her recovery), her awareness that
something had happened to Laura, etc.  I don't think either Leland or
Sarah are aware that BOB exists at all -- Leland's reversion to a
happy-go-lucky guy in the last episode is just like Sarah's asking
Leland about the country club.  Sarah and Leland live their somewhat
silly lives, and BOB takes them over when he wants to.

Laura was being taken over by BOB, just like Leland and Sarah, but she
fought him, and was killed as a result of her resistance.  She was
different from Leland and Sarah in that she was aware that BOB was
there.  Maddy was the next target, and she was killed because she
decided to leave.

I think that what set BOB off (killing Teresa Banks last year) was
Laura's resistance to him.  He's degenerating now and making his murders
more obvious as a result of the same thing.

So, Laura will ultimately triumph over BOB because her resistance to him
will lead to his capture and death.

-- J

In article <17510@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >
> >Why?  Doc Hayward had Laura's autopsy results within hours of her body
> >being found. Why not the same with Maddy?

With the new stiff, I wonder if Albert will be back in town, despite Gordon's
remarks?

vik

--

Hell is not the fire
Hell is your belief
In yourself as the higher  -- P. Murphy

Specifically, the preemption is to allow most of the nation to see USC
remind the alumni of Notre Dame that PR does not a great football team make.

Besides - I don't know about you, but I could use a break from TP's recent
intensity level.

                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
                                                 o . o
Not a By-product of Any Technology!               xxx

In article <57138@brunix.UUCP>, cs123078@cs.brown.edu (Mark Hessman) writes...

> >of TP, which was a two-hour movie in which BOB is revealed as the killer.
> >This has been public knowledge since midway through the first season, yet
> >at the time Lynch assured us all that the outcome of that version has no
> >relation whatsoever to the American series.  Yeah, right.  
In the European version, Bob is the killer.  The end.  In the 
American version, we are still debating who the killer is.  Lynch 
et al did not say that the two versions had no relation (which 
would obviously be stupid), they said that the killer was not the 
same.  And indeed, the answer in TP-American is substantially 
different.

> > Also the book of
> >the 'Secret Diary of Laura Palmer.'  The TP people said the diary (now on sale
> >at your local bookstore) had no relation to the events of the series, that
> >it was apocryphal.  Yet it has appeared in there, word for word.  What next?
I have no idea what you are referring to;  the publicity for it 
stated clearly that (1) Jennifer Lynch was told who the killer 
would be in the American version, and (2) that a careful reading 
of the diary would give you clues.  There are some continuity 
problems involving dates and 1989 vs. 1990 timelines, but this is 
hardly significant;  most literature of any complexity has these 
problems.  "Even Homer Nods" is an ancient literary truism, 
because even in the Iliad you can find continuity glitches.  Big 
deal --- before VCRs, people enjoyed tv without anal 
obsessiveness about continuity.

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

> > inhabitation is taking place.  Gerard has always looked like Gerard,
> > but Mike the Dwarf looked quite different in the dream.  All of the


To quote a long-gone message:

This is what it looks like when I bang my head against the keyboard 
repeatedly:

vb gyhjgubnyuhjgnyguhjtgyhtgyhtfgyhrtfgyhtgyrfvhtfgyhtgyrfhsdflksdfl;ksdjf
lsdfj409ru2309ru2309ru2458u235r8sldjkf

MIKE THE DWARF?????? MIKE THE _DWARF_?????

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

Yes, we admit it we still belong to the 'Ben-did-it' faction. 
This means that we believe that BOB is mobile and left Ben's
body as soon as he was put in the slammer. Then he entered Leland
and we all know what happened next.

But having said that we should like to contribute some balanced
observations in order to further public debate on the net. Some
of these remarks will provide additional comfort for the 'Lelandites'.

1) A friend of ours runs a media lab in Boston and has seen the first dream
sequence over twenty times. He believes now that all the clues necessary
to solve the murder (and predict Maddy's) are in Coop's dream. For example, 
Laura herself tells Coop who killed her. The shadow of an owl appears
across the red curtains in the background. The dwarf himself, our friend 
speculates, represents Laura's arrested childhood as a result of her
sexual victimization by her father. The dwarf calls Laura 'my cousin'
thus Laura herself (as dwarf) and thereby warns Cooper about the danger
to Maddy.

2) Is Laura trying to help Cooper solve the murder and prevent others?
Are the spirits that appear various manifestations of Laura's spiritual
personality? 

3) This is a SNAT show BTW (Sensitive New Age Television). It provides
a multi-media experience for its audience in which symbolism is more
important than action: a serious peaker can watch the show, tape it, 
re-watch it, read the diary, listen to the tapes, call the 900 number,
listen to the CD, read the net and even talk to real people primarily
about the symbols rather than the real plot.

4) What's now left for the 'Ben-did-it' people?
a) The OAM has pointed at him and during his jail visit he stated
that BOB was very close but not here NOW.
b) Would Leland have hung out with low-life like Jacques and Leo 
on the night of Laura's murder? More Ben's types surely?
c) Why indeed has Leland become more careless after forty years of
meticulously planned acts of evil? Doesn't BOB want to get Leland caught
as others have suggested? 
d) Is BOB\Leland a one man crime wave in Twin Peaks responsible for almost
every act of violence except the brutal assassination of Waldo? 
Did he kill Theresa Banks, stab Laura, bludgeon Maddie, assault Ronette, 
shoot agent Cooper, smother Jacques, attack Jacoby, stain Ronette's IV bag, 
drive a two-armed man to self-mutilation, drug Sarah Palmer, 
and hang poor Harold Smith?

5) And now for the hegemonic Leland faction on the net.
a) Other than Cooper, the OAM and Ronette, the only people
who have seen BOB are people in Leland's family.  
b) The OAM meant that BOB had been near Ben not hosted by Ben.





Diarmuid Maguire and Hillard Pouncy

In article <1990Nov22.225116.6334@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
> >My SO reminds me that shifts between personalities in multiple
> >personality disorder are triggered by repetitive stimuli such as
> >metronomes, the passing of telegraph poles in a train ride, etc.
> >These "triggers" are evidently well known to Lynch et al.; note the
> >phonograph, the ceiling fans, bouncing balls, associated with
> >transitions to BOB.
> >
I don't doubt what you are saying but it is news to me. I had heard of
repetitive stimuli of a certain frequency triggering epileptic fits but
not of it triggering personality shifts - I thought that was usually in
response to a situation that demands the skills of the alternat
personality.
 
Does you SO have a reference book or article to refer us to?
 
By the by, I wonder if the giant is an alternat personality of cooper's.
He did hear knocking before the giant appeared to him and when he got
the phone call informing him of the discovery of a new body
he subtly seemed taller from that point on as though possessed subtly
by a taller and more confident, authoritative personality.
 
ann hodgins

In article <obHGbL200jukIROEVR@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
> >I think BOB grows on people.  I believe that he initially took over
> >Leland, as a young boy, in an event associated with fire, as suggested
> >here by several people.  
 
Since I've just gained access to alt.tv.twin-peaks, forgive me if you
have already considered this scenario:
Suupose that when he was a child he was tempted as children often
are to play with matches and suppose a terrible fire resulted from his
childish carelessness and suppose someone died in that fire. Maybe young
Leland's guilt was too much for him to bear and caused him to
split off what happened and say to himself, I didn't do it, someone else
did.  From that day on he developed a dissassociated
split personality.
suppose that in order to protect his little self from the knowledge that
he was responsible for a death, Leland invented an alter ego called
Bob to take the blame for all his bad doings. That would explain why
no one has see a real person who looks like Bob although people may
be seeing projections of Leland's imaginings.
Just to show that a natural, psychological explanation of all this
is quite possible.
> >
Just because I think that the explanation of Bob's origin could be
natural, doesn't mean that at a certain point all the accumulated
negativity called Bob could not begin to take on a life of it's own.
Growing over a period of almost 40 years bob could be a force to be
with reckoned with by now. I believe this because
I know that thoughts and feelings are like radio waves
(an analogy not a scientific explanation) and can be picked up by others
who can be influenced by what they are picking up.
 
ann hodgins

We were reading this week's issue of the New Yorker
magazine for the holidays.  There is a longish piece 
in there by Alec Wilkinson on the Tlinget (prounounced 
Tleen-git) Indians of Admiralty Island off the Alaskan
coast.  We thought we'd share a few tidbits from the piece
about owls.  By the way the Tlingit do not, repeat do not,
live in Washington near the fictional Twin Peaks.  They
live in Alaska, but their culture has some remarkable
similarities with real Northwest Indians (such as the
Nanaido tribe).  Both revere/fear the woods and believe it
to host key spirits.  

Key quote:  "The Tlingit thought that all rocks, animals,
trees, plants, stars, planets, and the sun were alive and
had he same thought and feelings and passions and that they
did, only were generally more cunning and powerful.
They believed that owls could Tlingit and predict the weather;
before a storm, owls were thought to be saying, `Get under
trees.'  Owls were also believed to be able to identify
murderers, so sometimes they were shot..."

BTW, we believe that the Twin Peaks' owls play a more ambivalent
role in accord with Nanaido (and other Northwest tribes in
the lower forty-eight) lore.

In article <carey.659219898@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey) writes:
> > 
> > Leland saying "something about a 'dairy'", probably a reference to 
> > Steven King's It, which was showing on ABC the next night.  "It"
> > takes place in a town called Derry.

Interesting idea, but I'm not convinced Mark Frost had advanced knowledge of
ABC's program schedule when he wrote the 90/11/14 episode.

Also, the 90/11/14 episode must have been shot a while ago, making it unlikely
that they modified the script at the last minute to make a reference to "It".

This being said, I put nothing past the Lynch/Frost team.

Mario Ouellet   (marsup@ac.dal.ca)
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova-Scotia

vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:
> >With the new stiff, I wonder if Albert will be back in town, despite Gordon's
> >remarks?

According to an interview with Miguel Ferrer (Albert) on a local station in
Los Angeles, he will be back in episode #9.  Using the official episode
numbering system, I'm guessing that will be the next episode.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

I bought _Floating_into_the_Night_ today, and it's great!  I never would
have bought it without the reviews it has gotten in this newsgroup.

When I got it, the manager of the record store was standing by the counter.
He said, "I have had this CD for a long time and all of a sudden I can't
keep it on the shelves.  What's up?"  "Twin Peaks,"  I replied.  "Are
you a fan of the show?"  "Oh, yes."

Also on suggestion of people here, I have had the music to TP piped into
my head, and will be adding FitN later.  The doctor who did the neural
implant was named Hayward.  I don't get much studying done now; the
volume is too loud.

/=============================================================================\
|Jennifer Quirin                          student, Carnegie Mellon University |
|quirin@{cs,ece,andrew}.cmu.edu           <= internet                         |
|known_world!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!jq07  <= uucp                             |
|=============================================================================|
|Opinions expressed herein are not CMU's, and are probably not even mine,     |
|since I am not really posting: I am hard at work as I am supposed to be.     |
\=============================================================================/

In article <1990Nov23.181825.17866@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >I know that thoughts and feelings are like radio waves
> >(an analogy not a scientific explanation) and can be picked up by others
> >who can be influenced by what they are picking up.

Err. . . can you elaborate on this?  You *know* that someone's
thoughts and feelings can be picked up by someone else?  How?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Darn" -- George Bush

In article <JLANGE.90Nov20104713@ap1seq.oracle.com>, jlange@oracle.com (Jim Lange) writes...

} I heard a blurb on the radio last night, but was not listening very
} carefully. However, what I think I heard was that the actor who portrays
} Albert on Twin Peaks is, in fact, the child actor who played Will
} Robinson on Lost in Space!

You must've misheard it by "not listening very carefully". Will Robinson
and Miguel Ferrer have been collaborators on various things, but they are
not the same person.

In article <1990Nov21.142520.24510@csc.ti.com>, cate@csc.ti.com (Darryl Cate) writes...

} Nope, the actor who played Will Robinson was Billy Mummy.
                                                     ^^^^^
Mumy, not Mummy.

} The most recent thing he has been up to is tow write some comics (Comet
} Man, Star Trek). One of his collaboraters on Comet Man is named similar
} to the actor who plays Albert; this may be the cause of the confusion.

The reason the name of his collaborator is "similar" to the actor playing
Albert is because the two are the same person (strange to think of Albert
writing comic books, isn't it? :-)).

In article <16417@s.ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K. Glunt --- green eyed devil) writes...

} The song 'Fishheads' was done by Barnes & Barnes (YEAH! :-) ). I don't
} know if B&B are Ferrer & Mummy,  but it'd be great if true.

Mumy is definitely one of the Barnes'. I don't know if Ferrer is the other,
though. Both are members of a part-time 60's-cover band -- they basically
only play at one or two sf/comics conventions a year -- called Seduction
of the Innocent. Mumy plays guitar and sings, Ferrer plays drums. The band
even has a CD out now.

In article <1990Nov22.011017.7638@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes...

} The actor who plays Albert is also Jose Ferrer's son is he not?

Yes, he is.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <TJFS.90Nov20103922@tadtec.uucp>, tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele) writes...

} Can anyone post the record number & title?

Soundtrack from Twin Peaks      Warner  9 26316-2

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <57138@brunix.UUCP>, cs123078@cs.brown.edu (Mark Hessman) writes...

} First : It is depressing how predictable they're becoming.  While I
} certainly acknowledge the creativity of the series, there are a few
} places in which Lynch et al. have really let us down. Example: The
} European version of TP, which was a two-hour movie in which BOB is
} revealed as the killer. This has been public knowledge since midway
} through the first season, yet at the time Lynch assured us all that
} the outcome of that version has no relation whatsoever to the American
} series. Yeah, right.

Sorry, but Lynch and Frost said that the ending of the Euroversion would
not *necessarily* be the same as that of the American version. And simply
having BOB as the killer in both doesn't mean that the *process* of
arriving at that conclusion is the same. In fact, they appear to be
quite different.

} Also the book of the 'Secret Diary of Laura Palmer.' The TP people said
} the diary (now on sale at your local bookstore) had no relation to the
} events of the series, that it was apocryphal. Yet it has appeared in
} there, word for word.  What next?

They never said that it had "no relation". In fact, Jennifer Lynch had
repeatedly said that she had to demand from her father the identity of
Laura's killer in order to write the book. She would not have to have
known that if the book had "no relation". What they claimed, and rightly
so, was that the book was not *necessary* to figuring out the mystery
presented by the show. It helped, but it wasn't necessary.

} One of the people I watch the show with was sure that what the magician-
} boy said was "J'ai un ami sous le terre" -- 'I have a friend under the
} earth.' Much more ominous than that bit about the 'solitary soul.'

They should clean the wax out of their ears. It's been confirmed here by
someone with a closed-caption decoder that he said "I am/have a solitary
soul."

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Hello, If you d/l the snds. from Alt.tv.Twin-peaks, from DDulmage
they were not password protected.

I wrote:

> > Gerard has always looked like Gerard,
> > but Mike the Dwarf looked quite different in the dream.

hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu reacts:

> >To quote a long-gone message:

> >This is what it looks like when I bang my head against the keyboard repeatedly:

> >vb gyhjgubnyuhjgnyguhjtgyhtgyhtfgyhrtfgyhtgyrfvhtfgyhtgyrfhsdflksdfl;ksdjf
> >lsdfj409ru2309ru2309ru2458u235r8sldjkf

> >MIKE THE DWARF?????? MIKE THE _DWARF_?????

Sure, Mike the Dwarf.  I'll freely admit the possibility of error
(never saw the dream episode), but when Cooper first heard Mike's voice
(as opposed to PMGs voice) didn't he say something like `you were in my
dream', referring to the dancing dwarf?  So yes, Mike the Dwarf.  And
SDCTWMDRSW the Giant, Harold Smith the Boy Magician, and yet more to
be revealed.
-- "I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe." -- Mike Godwin, rec.arts.comics critic

In article <1990Nov21.061612.1488@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, I write:
> >Can someone remind me what we know about blood and blood types?  As I recall,
> >Jacques is AB and Leo's bloody shirt is AB.  What about "Fire walk with me"?
> >How can a blood test clear Ben?
> >
> >E-mail preferred.

I don't know if my email address is incorrect or if everyone assumed someone
else would answer, but I never got an answer.  Could someone post an answer
to this question?

--
He is BOB!  Eager for fun!  He wears a smile.  EVERYBODY RUN.

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
> >Sure, Mike the Dwarf.  I'll freely admit the possibility of error
> >(never saw the dream episode), but when Cooper first heard Mike's voice
> >(as opposed to PMGs voice) didn't he say something like `you were in my
> >dream', referring to the dancing dwarf?  So yes, Mike the Dwarf.

No, NOT Mike the dwarf.  If you had seen the episode in question, you
would have also known that the One Armed Man was in Coop's dream -- not
as the dwarf, but as himself.  Ergo, Coop was not referring to Mike
as the dancing dwarf.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

In article <1990Nov24.003642.8941@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>> >>MIKE THE DWARF?????? MIKE THE _DWARF_?????
> >
> >Sure, Mike the Dwarf.  I'll freely admit the possibility of error
> >(never saw the dream episode), but when Cooper first heard Mike's voice
> >(as opposed to PMGs voice) didn't he say something like `you were in my
> >dream', 

Yep.

> >referring to the dancing dwarf?  

Nope.

> >So yes, Mike the Dwarf.  

The dwarf (the little man from another place), Mike the OAM, and
Killer Bob all appeared in this dream, independently.  They're not the
same.  Steve, you *have* to see this episode!

> >And
> >SDCTWMDRSW the Giant, Harold Smith the Boy Magician, and yet more to
> >be revealed.

Harold the Boy Magician??  I understand the logic that you're using to
arrive at that, but I don't buy it.  Of course, I have no better
account to offer of "j'ai une a^me solitaire".  But I'm not sure why
we need to match *every* "numinous" character with a counterpart in
the "mundane" Twin Peaks (though it *is* interesting to try).
Remember the words of the OAM, chillun:

"Bob. . . is *Bob*!"

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Darn" -- George Bush

Try this interesting experiment - Put on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack(tm), 
and then turn the sound down on your old but still operational TV set. Now,
using your remote control, flip through the stations until you find an old 
movie or live event. Then, watch for a while.

I tried this with an old Western and with a Thanksgiving parade. It was very
cool.

Try it and let us know if you agree.

Ron

The Owls lip-synch their lines

In article <1990Nov22.075207.16179@isis.cs.du.edu>, kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Kreme thats all just K-r-e-m-e) writes:
> > I got the ten part HyperCard Stack from (128.195.1.1) and tried to unpack
> > it on my machine.  I failed.  Stuffit's binhex extractor did recognize that
> > the file was a Compactor file, but I got an "Unexpected end of file" error
> > when I unpacked it.
> > 
> > I do have one possible solution... the files were not saved in order (in
> > other words, the files were `cat` into one file, but not necessarily in
> > order).  Could this be a problem?  I tried to use the Binhex standalone,
> > but it did not type the file correctly, so I figured it wasn't working.
> > What might I be doing wrong?
> > 
> > -- 
> > | kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu |Growing up leads to growing old, and then to dying, and|
> > |---------------------|dying to me don't sound like all that much fun.        |
> > |     Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.  Euripedes    |


I was unable to reconstruct the Twin Peaks stack as well. What's in this
stack and why is it so big? Is it worthwhile trying to get it?

ireland@ac.dal.ca

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >In article <1990Nov22.225116.6334@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>> >>My SO reminds me that shifts between personalities in multiple
>> >>personality disorder are triggered by repetitive stimuli such as
>> >>metronomes, the passing of telegraph poles in a train ride, etc.
>> >>These "triggers" are evidently well known to Lynch et al.; note the
>> >>phonograph, the ceiling fans, bouncing balls, associated with
>> >>transitions to BOB.
>> >>
> >I don't doubt what you are saying but it is news to me. I had heard of
> >repetitive stimuli of a certain frequency triggering epileptic fits but
> >not of it triggering personality shifts - I thought that was usually in
> >response to a situation that demands the skills of the alternat
> >personality.
> > 
> >Does you SO have a reference book or article to refer us to?
> > 

[stuff deleted]

> >ann hodgins

Honorable SO, who does biostatistical work for a university psychiatry
department, replies that the phenomenon appears to be common knowledge
among workers in the field and is the topic of numerous anecdotes; one
professor reports that when MPD groups are being lectured to they all
shield their eyes when the slides change, which is a bit disconcerting
to an uninitiated lecturer.

General references on MPD, not necessarily in support of the above:

Putnam FW; Guroff JJ; Silberman EK; Post RM
The clinical phenomenology of multiple personality disorder: review of 100
recent cases.
J Clin Psychiatry 1986 Jun; 47(6):285-93

Ross CA; Miller SD; Reagor P; Bjornson L; and others
Structured interview data on 102 cases of multiple personality disorder
from four centers.
Department of Psychiatry, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada.
Am J Psychiatry 1990 May; 147(5):596-601.

Franklin J
The diagnosis of multiple personality disorder based on subtle
dissociative signs.
J Nerv Ment Dis 1990 Jan;178(1):4-14


Hope this helps,

Earl

marsup@ac.dal.ca writes:

> > In article <carey.659219898@m.cs.uiuc.edu, carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (J Carey)
>> > > 
>> > > Leland saying "something about a 'dairy'", probably a reference to 
>> > > Steven King's It, which was showing on ABC the next night.  "It"
>> > > takes place in a town called Derry.
> > 
> > Interesting idea, but I'm not convinced Frost had advanced knowledge
> > ABC's program schedule when he wrote the 90/11/14 episode.
> > Also, the 90/11/14 episode must have been shot a while ago, making it 
> > unlikely that they modified the script at the last minute to make a 
> > reference to "It".

As someone with too many years experience in broadcast television, 
there's a very good possibility Lynch/Frost knew when Steven King's IT 
would be playing.  Those program schedules are decided several months 
in advance.  That's how the net's are able to create all those "spiffy" 
promo's.  

Regarding turn around time for a weekly program like TP, it's not unusual
for actual production (shooting to final edited version) to take between 
two and four weeks.  And remember, Lynch shoots a lot of stuff off the 
cuff, with only a bare script to go by.  That leaves a lot of room 
to improv... 


Lance (The Root Of All Evil) Spangler

Damn fine coffee Norma!  Uh, that is you isn't it Norma?

In article <1990Nov22.225116.6334@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
> >My SO reminds me that shifts between personalities in multiple
> >personality disorder are triggered by repetitive stimuli such as
> >metronomes, the passing of telegraph poles in a train ride, etc.
> >These "triggers" are evidently well known to Lynch et al.; note the
> >phonograph, the ceiling fans, bouncing balls, associated with
> >transitions to BOB.

This reminds me of the Dreamachine, invented by Brion Gysin.  This consists
of a tube which is pierced by a pattern of holes.  This tube spins around
a light source and produced a strobing light effect which can supposedly
cause visions.

I have plans for this, but I still haven't managed to find a 78 rpm 
turntable to build it.

Plans, and other assorted information are available from Thee Temple Ov 
Psychick Youth at T.O.P.Y. - U.S., P.O. Box 18223, Denver, CO  80218, U.S.A.

(1988 cost was $3 by postal money order.)

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sam Hill Cabal "If there's anything insidious going bwdavies@sunrise.bitneton in the world, the media is behind bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.eduit!" -T.J. Teru

In article <46788@apple.Apple.COM> barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) writes:
> >Try this interesting experiment - Put on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack(tm), 
> >and then turn the sound down on your old but still operational TV set. Now,
> >using your remote control, flip through the stations until you find an old 
> >movie or live event. Then, watch for a while.
> >
> >I tried this with an old Western and with a Thanksgiving parade. It was very
> >cool.
> >
Yes, this is great!  A couple years ago (when most of my friends still
lived in the same state), we got together on Thanksgiving and watched
the Thanksgiving Day parade with a soundtrack made up of various pieces
of punk & industrial music and parts of one of my friend's radio shows.

Far, far better than the blather the announcers were delivering.  We were 
actually using a fairly new TV set, with stereo speakers and all, and 
piped the sound through the TV.


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rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> >The dwarf (the little man from another place), Mike the OAM, and
> >Killer Bob all appeared in this dream, independently.  They're not the
> >same.  Steve, you *have* to see this episode!

I stand corrected, by Rod and several others.  I'd love to see the
episode (one of only two I've missed), but as the last bastion of Beta
in southeast Michigan, I've given up hope.

The polite corrections are much appreciated.  Who said this was AbuseNet?
-- "I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe." -- Mike Godwin, rec.arts.comics critic

In article <=7|^RL-@rpi.edu> tale@rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) writes:
>> >>   Now we hear that USENET can not deal with a "temporary" subject.  It
>> >>   must be permanent to be a part of USENET.  I really don't see why this

> >It is hardly a new idea.  This sort of thing was a topic of discussion
> >before even the Great Renaming....

Which great renaming is this?  The one where the Coca-Cola Company of
America, on a day that will live in infamy forever, withdrew old coke,
and started selling the new goo?  A temporary newsgroup quickly sprang
up to handle the voluminous traffic, and vanished when the company
created "coke classic" (Not quite the real thing, but close enough to
pretend).  I haven't eeen a post to that temporary newsgroup in years,
and I skim "junk" when I read news.  Seems to me that temporary
newsgroups are quite successful, when the need for the group vanishes,
and remarkably ineffective when the readership perceives there's still
a need for the group, even if the not-a-backbone disagrees.  Which is
about how it should be, right?

STella@xanadu.com1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
(thelema.uucp seems to work for some, thelema.com has no business working)

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>> > >MIKE THE DWARF?????? MIKE THE _DWARF_?????
> > 
> > Sure, Mike the Dwarf.  I'll freely admit the possibility of error
> > (never saw the dream episode), but when Cooper first heard Mike's voice
> > (as opposed to PMGs voice) didn't he say something like `you were in my
> > dream', referring to the dancing dwarf?  So yes, Mike the Dwarf.  And
> > SDCTWMDRSW the Giant, Harold Smith the Boy Magician, and yet more to
> > be revealed.


Oh, okay. You haven't seen the dream sequence. Then you are excused. 

The dancing man from another place was not the only spooky figure in that 
dream. Also we have guest appearances by MIKE in the body of Philip 
Michael Gerard telling us how great it is to be seeing the future past, 
then introducing himself; and then we have this wonderful guy named BOB 
also showing up, who seems to have an obsession with death bags. 


**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <9HJ6s3w163w@wnss>, root@wnss (root) writes:
> > marsup@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> > > Interesting idea, but I'm not convinced Frost had advanced knowledge
>> > > ABC's program schedule when he wrote the 90/11/14 episode.
> > As someone with too many years experience in broadcast television, 
> > there's a very good possibility Lynch/Frost knew when Steven King's IT 
> > would be playing.  Those program schedules are decided several months 

As someone with half a brain - I doubt that individuals who seem to 
have a difficult time keeping track of their own script could
manage to keep in mind the scheduling of other shows. Geezuz - are
the folks in this group going to go for Sainthood for Lynch and company???

> > for actual production (shooting to final edited version) to take between 
> > two and four weeks.  And remember, Lynch shoots a lot of stuff off the 
> > cuff, with only a bare script to go by.  That leaves a lot of room 
> > to improv... 

I guess so - like maybe the entire second season???


gln

In article <14809@accuvax.nwu.edu>, kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L.
Kaufman) says:
> >
> >I just purchased a new TP book today.  I have not read it yet so I cannot give
> >any details.  It is an un-authorised spin-off.  I will tell more as soon as I
> >get a chance to read it.  Probably after Thanksgiving.
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >Michael Kaufman  | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
> >  kaufman        | on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams
> >glitter
> >   @eecs.nwu.edu | in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All these moments
> >will
> >                 | be lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.



It's information-packed postings like this one that make me glad I subscribe
to this group.

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Dept. of Molecular and Cell Biology
Penn State University

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                                           L. Wittgenstein
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Where has the discussion and voting moved? and where do I direct E-mail request
s for subscription?  Thank you.

From: gefrank@sdrc.UUCP (Frank Glandorf)
***********************************************************************
In the 11-17 episode Sheriff Truman is watching a Pileated Woodpecker.
It's a rather impressive bird the size of a crow with a bright red
crest. In an earlier episode Agent Cooper finds out the large trees around
Twin Peaks are Douglas Firs. These are also impressive trees, growing
to two hundred feet. However only in the mind of TV does the range of
the two overlap:-)
************************************************************************

Sorry, my dear Watson, but Pileated Woodpeckers and Douglas-firs *do*
occur in the same range.  The Pileated Woodpecker (_Dryocopus pileatus_,
or "Big Hammerin' Dude") lives all across the eastern U.S., but also
has a northern population that goes all the way across Canada and down
into western Washington, western Oregon, and some of California.  It
is particularly fond of mature forests, which in western Washington very
often include Douglas-firs.  I quote from "Birding in the San Juan Islands"
(which are in Puget Sound near Seattle):

The largest of our woodpeckers is this crow-sized bird with the flaming
red crest.  Dependent on old trees for its survival, the Pileated Woodpecker
is fond of destroying termites and carpenter ant colonies.  Often it will
locate a profitable nest of these destructive insects and return to it
daily.  Its work is immediately recognizable for it chisels out large
rectangular holes and leaves piles of huge wood chips on the ground below.
One winter, while writing this book, we were lucky enough to have a 
*** Pileated Woodpecker visit a Douglas-fir ***
next to our residence every morning.  Each day we gathered enough tinder
from his scrap pile to light our wood-burning stove.  The San Juan Islands
boast an excellent population of this otherwise scarce bird.  Our Christmas
Bird Count totals are some of the highest in the state, averaging about
ten Pileateds each year.  Although it is a common breeding resident and
frequents all of the islands with mature timber, its presence often goes
undetected unless one is familiar with its powerful "kuk-kuk-kuk-kuk-kuk"
call.

So, they are around, though Sheriff Truman was lucky to see one.  They're
somewhat shy and are oh-so-stunning.  Our best woodpecker since the 
Ivory-billed bit the dust.

Jespah

pouncy@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:
> >4) What's now left for the 'Ben-did-it' people?

After 11/10 and 11/17, very very little.

> >a) The OAM has pointed at him and during his jail visit he stated
> >that BOB was very close but not here NOW.

The OAM hasn't pointed at Ben.  And, though I don't recall the OAM's exact
words, yes, Leland wasn't with Ben at that moment.  Although he really
should have been, as Ben's usual mouthpiece.  Lucky break for BOB.

> >b) Would Leland have hung out with low-life like Jacques and Leo 
> >on the night of Laura's murder? More Ben's types surely?

Remember.  Cooper and Albert's theory is that Laura and Ronnette went to
Jacques' cabin with Jacques and Leo.  Not the mysterious Third Man.  He came
later, after both Jacques and Leo had left, and led the two girls away from
the cabin, and ended up with them in the train car.

> >c) Why indeed has Leland become more careless after forty years of
> >meticulously planned acts of evil?

Who knows?  If Ben-did-it, ask the same question.  Same answer.  So what?

> >Doesn't BOB want to get Leland caught as others have suggested?

Maybe.  Maybe not.  We don't know yet.

> >d) Is BOB\Leland a one man crime wave in Twin Peaks responsible for almost
> >every act of violence except the brutal assassination of Waldo?

And the murder of Bernard Renault, and the burning of the mill, and the
murder of Andrew Packard, and ...

Leland is not the lone perpetrator of crime in TP.  Is Ben?  No.  So what?

> >Did he kill Theresa Banks,

Appears so.

> >stab Laura,

Killed her?  Appers so.  Stabbed her?  No.  Laura wasn't stabbed.

> >bludgeon Maddie,

Gee.  You missed the 11/10 episode?  No wonder you're still Ben-did-its.

> >assault Ronette,

In the train car?  Appears so.

> >shoot agent Cooper,

Probably not.

> >smother Jacques,

Missed that episode too?

> >attack Jacoby,

Maybe.  Maybe not.  We don't know yet.

> >stain Ronette's IV bag,

Maybe.  Maybe not.  We don't know yet.

> >drive a two-armed man to self-mutilation,

No.  God is the culprit there.

> >drug Sarah Palmer,

Who says she was drugged?

> >and hang poor Harold Smith?

Probably not.

The path continues...
- Carl Johnson

I do not know if anyone has posted this yet, but I noticed this
today while listening to _Floating_into_the_Night_:

"Do you remember our picnic lunch?
We both went up to the lake
And then we walked among the pines
The birds sang out a song for us
We had a fire when we came back
And your smile was beautiful
you touched my cheek and you kissed me
At night we went for a stroll
The wind blew our hair
The fire made us warm
The wind blew the waves
Out on the lake
We heard the owl in a nearby tree
I thought our love would last forever."

Reprinted totally without permission from "Rockin Back inside my Heart".
I thought that this was interesting, especially with all of the
Roadhouse/owls references going on.

If this was posted already and I missed it, my apologies.

jen

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In article <16048@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov19.235343.7937@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>There is, of course, another explanation (there are five explanations for
>> >>everything.) BOB wants Leland to get caught. Leland then goes to prison/
>> >>the chair/the psycho ward, and BOB moves on to another host to continue
>> >>his games, leaving everyone who knew and respected Leland a bit emptier.
> >
> >There is STILL no evidence that BOB can or does change hosts.  Leland is
> >the only host we've seen BOB associated with.  Basing an explanation of
> >Leland's seemingly cavalier behavior on such a questionable assumption
> >seems risky.

Please cite the evidence suggesting that BOB *can't* change hosts.
(I'm not saying there isn't any - I missed one episode, the one where
MIKE is revealed.) As far as I know, the only reason to suspect that
Leland has been BOB for a long time is the assertion in the diary
that Laura has been enduring BOB at least since she was twelve and 
the assumption that Leland has been abusing her, therefore Leland
must be BOB. (I don't regard Leland's assertion that he knew BOB
when he was a child as meaningful, since the statement may have come
from BOB himself to mislead Truman and Cooper. You think BOB can't
lie?)

On the other hand, the diary strongly suggests that Laura was BOB -
his entries in the diary in the middle of hers. Maybe Leland reached
over her shoulder and wrote that stuff in without her noticing? Nah.

-- Dave Mack

There seems to be some confusion about what happened during Agent Cooper's
dream, way back during weekly episode 2 of the first season.  (That is, 
the second one-hour episode AFTER the premiere -- I forget the official
number.)  This is how it went:

PHASE 1:
First, a series of sudden images, as if illuminated by a strobe light
with darkness inbetween:
Laura's mother running downstairs [seen during the premiere]
A bloody cloth on a chest  [in the railroad car?]
BOB crouched at Laura's bed  [Sarah's vision]

Now we see the One-Armed Man, just as he appears in real life.  He
doesn't seem to be anyplace in particular.  He looks straight at the camera
and says, in his special echo-ey MIKE voice:
Through the darkness of future past,
The magician longs to see
One..chants...out..between two worlds...
Fire...walk with me.
We lived among the people -- I think you say convenience store?
We lived above it.  I mean it like it is, as it sounds.  I too
have been touched by the devilish one; tattoo on the left shoulder.
Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was changed.  I took the
entire arm off.  My name is Mike.  His name is Bob.

Then we see BOB, who is crouched in some room full of clutter (tantalizingly
unrecognizable metal objects) like an attic or basement.  He looks around
and say:
Mike?  Mike?  Can you hear me?  [he turns to look at the camera]
Catch you with my death bag!
You may think I'm insane, but I promise I *will* kill again!

We see a little mound of dirt with a gold necklace on it, surrounded
by a ring of candles.  There's a puff of wind; the candles blow out.

PHASE 2:
An older Agent Cooper (in his 50s or so) is sitting in a red-carpeted, 
red-curtained lounge.  Laura Palmer is sitting a few chairs away from
him, dressed in a slinky black dress and looking very elegant.  There 
is a strange scraping noise.  We see a distorted silhouette of a person,
backlit against a doorway -- it seems to be shuddering somehow -- the 
scraping noise gets faster -- [this really freaked me out for some reason]
Suddenly the distorted silhouette turns around.  It is a dwarf.  
It's The Man From Another Place.  The scraping sound was him rubbing his
palms together.  He's got a cheerful, wide smile, and he says (in twisted,
backwards English -- subtitles are provided; LAURA talks the same way):
Let's rock!
And he sits in one of the chairs.
There is a pause.
A black shadow drifts slowly over the red curtains, over their heads. Then:

TMFAP:[to Cooper]  I've got good news.  That gum you like is going to 
come back in style.  
[noticing Cooper staring at LAURA]  She's my cousin.  But, doesn't
she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?
Cooper: [to the TMFAP]  But she is Laura Palmer.
[to LAURA]  Are you Laura Palmer?
LAURA:[arching her back weirdly]  I feel like I know her,
 but sometimes my arms bend back.
TMFAP:She's filled with secrets.  Where we're from, the birds sing a 
pretty song, and there's always music in the air.

Slow jazz music begins to play.  The Man From Another Place stands and
starts a jerky dance.  LAURA stands, crosses to Cooper, kisses him, and
whispers something in his ear. 

(At some point in this second phase, Laura puts one finger next to her nose.
looking significantly at Cooper.  Sorry, can't remember exactly where!)

Cooper jerks awake, with his special Cooper Cowlick pointing straight up.
He calls Harry and says he knows who killed Laura Palmer -- but it can
wait till morning.  When morning comes, of course, he has forgotten.  Grrr.

Jespah

When (if ever) do you think we will ever get to know what really happened
the night of Laura's murder?  Do you think Ronette was there in the rail
road car when Leland/Bob killed Laura?  What happened after Laura left
Leo and Jacques?


I also want a part on Twin Peaks.  I'm a lobbyist, but recently have
decided I want to pursue my first love--acting.  So I want a part on
Twin Peaks.  Any ideas of what wild gag I could pull to get David
Lynch to give me an audition?

In message <1990Nov17.180038.29924@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
svihla@evax6.eng.fsu.edu (C. Kurt Svihla) writes

> >Maybe some owls are good and some owls are bad.  The line about the owls
> >sometimes being big certainly points to the giant and his probable host or
> >familiar, Senor Drool Cup, the World's Most Decreipt Room Service Waiter 
> >(SDCTWMDRSW) as an owl,

I thought that "Sometimes owls are big" referred to the big BOB-owl that
tried to kill LP when she was in the woods that one time?  Especially
since Loglady said this line to LP before the event happened.  I am
sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong. :-)

jen

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   It might help to have a handicap--- say no nose and one leg.

In article <1384@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:
}In article <114030029@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
}>2.  Hank is one hell of slippery fellow.  Last time we saw him, Jean had
}>    a gun to his head.
}
}As I said before, Hank is probably working for Jean now.

Or he killed Jean (combined with the progression to the double-4 domino,
suggests the theory that the spots are Hank's way of keeping track of how
many people he has killed).

}>7.  Lucy sure loves to drive.  Why she's been known to drive hundreds of
}>    miles in a 48 hour period!
}
}The two-hour drive to Seattle (four-hour round trip) does not seem 
}excessive.  I driven that far in one day just to go skiing.

Um, you can drive from Seattle to the northeast corner of Washington State
in two hours?  Do you "drive" a Lear Jet?  I just substitute "Spokane" for
"Seattle" in my mind and it makes more sense (in other words, I assume the
city named being "Seattle" to be a mistake, and that "Spokane" was actually
what was meant).

Remember, although Twin Peaks is filmed in and around Snoqualmie, the fictional
locale is about ten miles from Idaho and about five miles from Canada and in
the state of Washington.  That puts it in Pend Oreille county on the Pend
Oreille river about where Metaline Falls really is (assuming the fictional
Washington has geography similar to the real world).

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

In article <1990Nov25.055848.22598@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >In article <16048@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
>> >>the only host we've seen BOB associated with.  Basing an explanation of
>> >>Leland's seemingly cavalier behavior on such a questionable assumption
>> >>seems risky.
> >
> >Please cite the evidence suggesting that BOB *can't* change hosts.

Why?  I don't need to chase after negative evidence here -- I'm the one
wielding Occam's Razor.  Having BOB change hosts is just an unnecessary
multiplication of hypotheses.  It's not necessary for BOB to inhabit
anyone but Leland in order to explain anything we've seen in the show or
the Diary.  Some people seem to want to throw in this host-changing idea
just so they don't have to give up their favorite Andy/Truman/Nadine-did-it 
theories!  That's not good enough.  We have not seen MIKE change hosts,
nor have we seen BOB change hosts.  It's just an unsupported conjecture.

> >On the other hand, the diary strongly suggests that Laura was BOB -
> >his entries in the diary in the middle of hers. Maybe Leland reached
> >over her shoulder and wrote that stuff in without her noticing? Nah.

Let's look at that again.  Laura herself talks about playing with BOB,
seeing him etc -- if she was *hosting* BOB it doesn't look like she'd be
able to see him.  The other hosts seem completely transformed and
oblivious to their possessors' actions.  Those diary entries are more
consistent with BOB being in someone other than Laura herself.  Now the
entries where BOB himself is talking had to have been written by someone
with *access* to the diary.  (Remember the early entry where Laura says
she knows someone else is reading the diary.)  The prime suspects for
access would be members of Laura's own household.  Like, for instance,
Leland, who can obviously go anywhere he wants in the house and has
plenty of opportunity to get at the diary.  Asking Harold Smith to take
the diary, then, would be a way of getting it out of Leland's reach while
keeping it within her own.  In exchange, Harold gets the vicarious
thrill of absorbing Laura's seamy story... a fateful bargain for him.

Here's some food for thought.  Only two people have mentioned BOB by
name in the series/Diary.  One is MIKE; the other is Laura.  MIKE was
"touched by the devilish one" but "saw the face of God" and apparently
saved himself at the cost of an arm, thereafter becoming BOB's sworn
enemy.  Laura liked to "play with BOB" and ultimately seemed to be
welcoming her own death -- perhaps as the sacrifice that would save her
as MIKE saved himself?  However, MIKE seems to be inhabiting the
otherwise mortal Gerard, with MIKE being the one who actually detects
BOB; did Laura have a spirit side, or was she 'damned' and thus able to
see him?  A lot of tough questions remaining out there.

Perhaps Albert is an extra-terrestial.
I suggest that he is the son of the
Emperor from Dune (played by Jose Ferrer)
and has come to kill Paul Atreides.

In article <1990Nov22.011313.22499@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >
> >I think the "real" Leland has been asleep since he murdered Jacques
> >Renault.
> >
If the real Leland has been asleep since he killed Jacques, this would
explain why we haven't seen Leland the morose since that time.  (That
also coincides with his hair turning white, correct?)  Maybe it would
be more accurate to say that he has been submerged (but not unaware) since
the hospital murder.  It seemed to me that the attack on Maddy was also
a power struggle between Leland and BOB.

So BOB appears to be very successful now in dominating Leland for substantial
periods of time (evidence: we never see real, morose Leland anymore; BOB
seems to be on an unprecedented violence streak - Laura, Maddy, attack on
Dr. Jacoby...).  If he has been visiting Leland for "over 40 years" - if -
then what has allowed him to gain such power *now*?  Hypothesis: Leland is an
unethical but not really evil person who felt such remorse about killing
Jacques that BOB was able to use this guilt against him and dominate him.

I mentioned before that the progressions of the murders were indicating that
either BOB doesn't care about getting caught or even wished to get nabbed.
I now subscribe to the former: as others have pointed out, BOB really
doesn't care, doesn't have to and probably gets off on the danger (feeds on
fear...)

To truly solve the murder, we need to see more than the killer behind bars,
we need an antidote to BOB.  Putting Leland in jail (for offenses other than
the murder of Jacques) is not really justice and isn't a satisfying ending.

How will BOB be neutralized?  Any theories?

ftp color gif files from anonymous ftp at 
           freebie.engin.umich.edu
           141.212.68.23 
     in the directory /pub/twin-peaks

the following are in the directory /pub/twin-peaks/11-10-90
these are from the 11-10-90 episode..
as of 11-25-90 they were all redone.. so take another
look..

arrest.gif          commbreak.gif       horse.gif           norma.gif
audrey.gif          cooper.gif          laura.gif           shelly.gif
audrey2.gif         cruise.gif          laura_bw.gif        sherrif.gif
ben_and_audrey.gif  diary.gif           leo.gif             waterfall.gif
bob.gif             finger.gif          mikediscussion.gif
bobby.gif           giant.gif           murder.gif
cafe.gif            harold.gif          nadine.gif


the following are in the directory /pub/twin-peaks/11-17-90 
these are from the 11-17-90 episode...

BOB2.gif            maddy.gif
cooper-diane.gif    jerry.gif           normas_parents.gif
diane.gif           lynch-frost.gif


be sure to download them in binary format...
read the README file becuase i update it regularly...

    I have been getting a lot of support from a lot of people about 
these twin peaks gif files, so therefore i am continuing to work on 
them.  I went back through the first set from the original window
dumps, and converted them into gif files by hand.  This way they 
look considerably better than they did when i first posted them.

please keep me informed via email of any suggestions and results...

thank you..
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> > 
> > We haven't seen the Major in a few weeks now. Wonder what's been
> > happening up at his base?

The Major has quit the force and joined the Police Force
in the new CBS series BROKEN BADGES.  The premiere was
set in the Bay area, but is yet another Stephen J. Cannell
Production filmed in Vancouver, B.C.

Previously, I wrote:
>>> >>>   [stuff deleted] pretty soon, *every* "non-work related" group will
>>> >>>   go away on some machines.  Please, think of the larger picture.

In article <10177@helios.TAMU.EDU> bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) writes:
>> >>I don't really think that adding this group to the hierarchy will seriously
>> >>increase disk usage to the point that an entire set of newsgroups can be
>> >>discarded.

Will, it's becomming increasingly evident to me that you might not be
thinking much beyond rec.tv.twin-peaks.  No, *that* newsgroup probably will
not break the camel's back.  However, if the rest of us had your attitude
regarding new group creation, there's little doubt that we will soon
be overrun with a deluge of new and trendy groups.

-MikeP
--
Michael A. Petonic                                              (512) 250-7632
        mikep@dirty.csc.ti.com  or cs.utexas.edu!tilde!dirty!mikep
     Texas Instruments Inc.; Telecom Systems, Engineering; Austin, TX.
                  ``If you *have* to live in Texas...''

I think BOB is spelling out "TROUBLE" with the letters under
the fingernails.

-Jill

In article <776@autodesk.COM> robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
> >Twin Peaks is where the star is:  it is _south_ of the Canadian border and
> >_west_ of the state line.  Otherwise it would be in Idaho.

Actually the AP just moved a little feature over the weekend where
Lynch, talking about his lifelong ties to Montana, says that Twin Peaks
could be any small town in Washington, Idaho or Montana -- he wanted to
use the Northwest because of its wholesomeness and strength.  I guess
it's not too important exactly where it lies, although they seem to have
tossed off 'clues' casually enough early on.

Also, can anyone out there confirm that thousands of LOGS have been
tumbling over Snoqualmie Falls the last few days, due to the weeks of
heavy rain?  Does anyone know if location work is being messed up, or
are they done with that for the season?

-- "I'm not sure I've even got the brains to #:# Tom Neff be President." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 #:# tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

By the way the lineup pre-empting TWIN PEAKS, CHINA BEACH et al on 11/24
included CAPRICORN ONE!  So I hope everyone watched anyway -- that's a
classic.  (Coincidentally there's a "were the moon landings faked"
discussion going on in alt.folklore.urban if you're interested.)

-- What luck for rulers that men []+ Tom Neff do not think. -- A. Hitler +[] tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <1990Nov22.011313.22499@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >I think the "real" Leland has been asleep since he murdered Jacques
> >Renault.

The problem with this interesting theory is that when Ben asks Leland
for help doing damage control on the Ghostwood deal, Leland responds by
cooking up a vintage concoction of lawyerly legerdemain, on the spot;
thus fully convincing Ben (and me) that the "old Leland" is very much
with us.  Whatever BOB's other talents, I don't think managing the
subtleties of corporate politics is among them.  This exchange seems
almost deliberately placed to demonstrate to us that Leland is NOT just
a possessed shell of his former self, but in fact shares or assimilates
the BOB personality on a deeper level.

I would love to think that Leland's hair turning white had to do with
killing Jacques Renault, but (a) it's just too damn much of a
coincidence that it happened over the season break, and (b) if he killed
Laura as well, why didn't his hair turn white then?  If someone else
killed Laura, why didn't THEIR hair turn white?  It doesn't wash.

-- 'The Nazis have no sense of humor, so why -| Tom Neff should they want television?' -- Phil Dick |- tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <16043@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) says:
> >
> > * If Nissan buys ad time, will they run the Sentra commercial where the
> >guy stuck in a traffic jam fantasizes about "owning the road" and all
> >the signs read "BOB'S EXPRESSWAY," "GO BOB," "YIELD TO BOB" etc?  :-)
> >
I personally like the Nissan commercial where the guy starts wondering about
all these wildlife questions and proceeds to ask "Where do owls come from?".
I am sure that is a question all of us here would like to know also.  Maybe
Nissan will run the commercials back to back!?!
> >--
> >"Just the fax, ma'am."    o..oo    Tom Neff
> >    -- John McClane       .oo..    tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM
---


WENDY C. WHITE              "TODAY, I HAD A PREMONITION THAT I WOULD
THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY      HAVE A DEJA VU SOON."  --NO ONE YOU KNOW
PHYSICS OR DIE!!!

"BODY ODOR IS THE WINDOW TO THE SOUL."  --DAVID BYRNE

In article <27867@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
> >In article <9HJ6s3w163w@wnss>, root@wnss (root) writes:
>> >> As someone with too many years experience in broadcast television, 
>> >> there's a very good possibility Lynch/Frost knew when Steven King's IT 
>> >> would be playing.  Those program schedules are decided several months 
> >
> >As someone with half a brain - 

A surprising admission, posted evidence so far notwithstanding!

Do let us know how the search for the other half goes.  :-)

 I doubt that individuals who seem to 
> >have a difficult time keeping track of their own script could
> >manage to keep in mind the scheduling of other shows. Geezuz - are
> >the folks in this group going to go for Sainthood for Lynch and company???

Red herring city.  There have been continuity errors -- probably no more
than in many other shows, but we notice it more because there's a single
huge day-sequential story arc at stake and because we're eagle eyed
SOB's.  (Who gives a damn if MacGyver changes license plates!) 

And of course the 'sainthood' crack is just standard Newell-Post(TM)
material.  If Lynch/Frost really did go out of their way to plug another
ABC show, it's hardly grounds for beatification!  Damnation would be
more like it.

Anyway, *I*'m the one with half a brain for encouraging GN with a
followup, but the opening was too good to pass up :-)

-- To exit -- [__] Tom Neff press <Enter>. [__] tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <17540@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >Personally, I think it's a great album. One of the few purely-musical
> >(as opposed to song-filled) soundtracks I've ever heard that actually
> >sounds terrific outside of the context of the film/show. It took listening
> >to the album to make me realize just how damn good a composer Angelo
> >Badalamenti is. Not that I didn't think he was good before, it's just
> >that he's really, *really* good.

I agree completely.  It's probably the first TV (rather than movie)
soundtrack album I've seen that's worth keeping.  (There are other
series with great music but they don't seem to get albums.)  The poster
who suggested using it as background music while watching other stuff
was right!  I noticed this as soon as I got the album.  Put it on and
just, oh, clean your closet!  But, best of all, DRIVE while listening to
it.  This goes in my car tape collection alongside GLASSWORKS and
PRINCIPLE OF MOMENTS.

dipankar ray writes...

> >Who says (Sarah Palmer) was drugged?

Last week's USA today ran a Twin Peak's tips column that included
this tidbit - `Leland is drugging wife Sarah; neither is aware Leland
is killer BBO.'

The column went on to say "Agent Cooper's mysterious ex-partner - the
only one on earth that Cooper is terrified of, says producer Mark Frost -
will be key to the last half of Twin Peaks; season.  Not cast yet,
the character is a `master of disguise,' says Frost." 

Also, Miguel Ferrer (Albert) says that he has been told that he will
return to Peaks and there's even talk of creating a show around Albert.

Question:  which happened first - the USA Today story (11/19) or
those wonderful `imaginery' net scripts on TP spinoffs? 
`Sometimes my mind bends back.'

More on Dipankar Ray who says a lot of Leland-did-it stuff:

We've got no quarrel that most recent evidence on the show points
to Leland as Laura's killer.  He's got a neat little exacto knife,
he flicks matches very well and his assault on Maddie looks like
the prototypical BOB attack.  As last season ended, Lynch/Frost
made a similar effort to point as much suspicion as possible on
Jacques and Leo.  Remember the net traffic last spring - Dr. Jacoby's
tape and pendant were popularly considered indispensible clues.
We wonder whether Lynch/Frost are up to the same game with this
season's sweeps episode.  Just when it looks as if BOB has to 
be Leland, we wonder whether Lynch/Frost have something much more
interesting in store - BOB as a more ambiguous creature, more 
skillfully connected to other evils in the town. BTW is it just us,
or is the Sheriff's department remarkably blase about the town's
crime wave.  

The set on that show must be getting kinda weird.  Think about
it.  They've already done the Catherine/ Mr. Tajima (sp) switch -
reportedly fooling other cast members while they were at it.
There is the slight mystery of the food critic - although Vivian
looks like our Ms. Wentz (sp).  Now comes word about Cooper's
partner and his/her disguises.  Oh well, just another day in Twin Peaks.

Diarmuid Maguire        Hillard Pouncy

In article <JLANGE.90Nov20104713@ap1seq.oracle.com> jlange@oracle.com (Jim Lange) writes:
> >I heard a blurb on the radio last night, but was not listening very carefully.
> >However, what I think I heard was that the actor who portrays Albert on Twin 
> >Peaks is, in fact, the child actor who played Will Robinson on Lost in Space!

Danger! Danger!  Did you grow up to be pathologist, Will Robinson!?
No. Will Robinson was played by Bill Mumy. 

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Bath University,   | Phone: +44 225 826023       |   up feeling hungry. Ate
BATH BA2 7AY, U.K. | Fax  : +44 225 826176       |   the chocolate bunnies.

anyone see the show "broken badges" on saturday starring ferrer (sp?).
what an accent!!

not bad, a few good one-liners.

i figured since i couldn't have my peaks, i could try the new show.
would like any comments from others who saw it.

very different character from albert.

Does anyone know if Julie Cruise's album has the songs she sang
at the bar the night Maddie was killed? She was pretty good.

Alan Barrow

REGARDING THE QUESTION--WAS BOB IN LELAND AT THE TIME OF LAURA'S MURDER--THE AN
SWER IS YES.  THERE ARE MANY REASONS.  LELAND WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO TOLD COOP
ER THAT HE HAD SEEN BOB BEFORE.  IN COOPER'S DREAM BOB SAID "YOU MAY HAVE THOUG
HT I'VE GONE INSANE, BUT I WILL KILL AGAIN.  LELAND IS CERTAINLY ACTING INSANE.
  HE ALSO KNEW THAT LAURA WAS DEAD BEFORE HARRY HAD TOLD HIM.  BUT SO DID SARAH
 BUT IF AS IN THE SCENE WHERE LELAND KILLED MADDIE SARAH WITNESSED THE WHOLE TH
ING.  THE WHITE HORSE THAT SARAH SAW WAS A SIDE AFFECT OF DRUGS.  THE SAME DRUG
S THAT AUDRY HAD INJECTED INTO HER.  THAT IS WHY BLACKY TOLD HER TO "RIDE THE W
HITE HORSE"  IF SARAH WAS DRUGGED OUT WHEN LAURA WAS KILLED BY LELAND LIKE SHE
WAS WHEN MADDIE WAS KILLED IT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY SHE COULD ONLY REMBER PARTS OF
THE EVENTS THAT HAD OCCURED.  I BELIVE THAT LELAND DID INDEAD KILL LAURA AND HE
 DID SO IN THE PALMER HOME--THAT IS WHY MADDIE SAW BLOOD ON THE CARPET--BUTHOW
DID THE NECLACE GET TO THE TRAIN CAR AND WHAT EXACTLY DID RONNET SEE?  CAN ANYO
NONE HELP ME?

I have read before that the Twin Peaks sound track lists the name Bob (no last
name) under special thanks.  I thought this was interesting so I checked out
the liner notes from the cassette version and found the name Bob Iger (the ABC
programming dude) listed amoung many others but no other Bob's.  I have
forgotten who first posted this observation, but could someone please tell me 
what version (i.e. CD or albumn) of the soundtrack gives special thanks to Bob?
Could you also tell me if Bob Iger is listed seperately in that version's
special thanks?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Diane...I am now upside-down.

Matt Brinkman          Internet:  BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

> >What is the fetish with balls and rings?

This is obvious:

          "I fell in to a burning ring of fire" - J. Cash

            "Great ball of fire"  - J. L. Lewis (i think)

                 "Fire walk with me" - Bob

In article <14740023@hpfcso.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
writes:

|> Hmmm.  I think you would have to quote the statistics.  I was under
|> the impression that the most likely victim of a violent crime
|> was a young black male.
|> 

Yeah, and just how many young black males do you suppose there are
in Twin Peaks, WA?

How about moving this conversation to rec.sociopathology? :-)

Dave Wagner
U CO - Boulder

In article <5904@kd4nc.UUCP> km4ba@kd4nc.UUCP (Allen Barrow) writes:
> >
> >Does anyone know if Julie Cruise's album has the songs she sang
> >at the bar the night Maddie was killed? She was pretty good.
> >
> >Alan Barrow

I don't remember exaclty which song it was that she sang that night,
but I'm pretty sure it is on the C.D. I know that I would have notoced
if it was a song that I hadn't heard before.


ken

In article <1990Nov22.215433.1284@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

> >mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >
>> >>I'll tell you why it's true.  Because each system in Usenet is autonomous.
>> >>There's no board of directors.  And there's no Usenet "superuser".  To
>> >>successfully remove a group from the net requires LOTS of folks to act in
>> >>concert.  Until an architectural or other change happens in Usenet, the
>> >>situation will remain that way.
> >
> >In other words, give up the idea because it'll never work.  Based on
> >the fact that most sites still run the net.* groups, right?
> >

That is NOT what I said.  I did not state that the idea should be given
up on.  And I did not say that it will never work.  I did say that it won't
work given the CURRENT state of affairs.  We should work on FIXING the
problem first, putting a mechanism in place that will handle the situation
before proceeding forward.  I don't drive my car without brakes - do you?

I'm more than willing to take part in a constructive discussion to see
if we can make some useful changes to handle situations like Twin Peaks.
Brad Templeton suggested use of a "trial" group hierarchy, which apparently
exists.  Perhaps that could be investigated.

> >As you point out, systems are autonomous.  But they're not on
> >autopilot, and there *is* an informal mechanism that can do the job.

Quite a number of systems ARE on autopilot (others are one step
removed from it).

> >It's the admins cooperating with each other.  When one of our (iti.org)
> >neighbors starts feeding us crap, I notice it in the logs and drop them
> >a line.  The response is usually "Thank you for noticing, I'll fix it
> >right away."  They do the same for us.  It actually works rather well.
> >

What a nice guy you are.  You deserve a medal. ;-)  Unfortunately
not all net.neighborhoods are so cooperative.

Its pretty easy to detect net.crap.  However, that's not the subject.
here.  We're dealing with OFFICIAL Usenet actions.  The only easy
official Usenet action is to create a group after its been voted in.
Other actions are not so easy, because they require more manual
intervention, and unless a sysadmin is up to date on what is/isn't
official, it's not likely to happen.

Unfortunately, not everyone is as diligent as you are.  One reason
why we implement certain checks and balances in our systems
(software and otherwise) is to compensate for lack of attention and
care.  Right now, the mechanism we have in place doesn't have the
features needed to handle certain things well.

You appear to be falling into the trap where you believe that the
rest of the world is similar to you own local domain.  It may be in
places, but not everywhere.  Don't let ideality become your reality.

> >What needs to change is for news nodes to be a bit less tolerant of
> >out-of-date neighbors.  If someone seventeen hops down the line is
> >posting to dead.group a letter from me at home isn't going to do much.
> >That's impersonal whining from a pedant.  But a note from their
> >newsfeed carries both personal and political weight.

As you admit, there's a problem with things as they are.  So let us
find a workable solution for the net at large - then we won't have to
have discussions/arguments along the lines of this one.

> >For future reference, I'm working on a new Cnews logfile analysis
> >tool that tells you who originated and who fed you bogus news.  Handy
> >for monitoring just that sort of thing.  Yes, I'll post when it's
> >done.
> >

Good tool for all those net.police wannabes out there. ;-)
(Seriously, I'm sure your tool will be a useful addition)

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.-.
|M|ight not BOB have been involved in the big Elks Club fire that
`-' Doc Hayward mentioned in the second season's premiere?

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Kathleen> Sorry, my dear Watson, but Pileated Woodpeckers and Douglas-firs *do*
Kathleen> occur in the same range.  

More on woodpeckers:

mikul@darkside.com (Bronze Tooth) writes:

> >Someone recently mentioned the B0B/Leland's mention of the "Dairy"
> >was REALLY a, get this, plug for DERRY which is therefore related 
> >to Stephen King's IT because it is the town IN WHICH IT TOOK PLACE.

That was me.  Maybe you just don't watch TV, but plenty of shows have
inside jokes referring to other TV shows.  It has been done on 
Moonlighting, Night Court, LA Law, 30something, etc.

The TV movie "IT" has been publicized heavily for months previous, the
book has been out for a while, what is so far-fetched about them 
slipping the dairy/Derry reference in?

If you ask me the whole "stopping Leland/BOB swerving all over the
road" is an inside joke about Nissan's BOB commercial.  At the end
of the Nissan commercial the cop comes up to the car and gives a
big grin and says, "oh so it's you, BOB!" or something like that.
On Twin Peaks, Sheriff Truman walks up to the car, and with a big grin
says, "Leland!" (almost like he is saying "oh so it's you, Leland!")

The local PBS station played the movie "Laura" last week.  The scene
where Laura returns to her apartment is eerily like Cooper's dwarf dream.
The detective is even slumped in an armchair when she shows up.  He says,
"aren't you Laura Hunt?" with the same bewilderment as Cooper.  And
of course, Waldo Lydecker is the real culprit.  But then I guess you could
come up with Waldo Lydecker by banging your head on the keyboard, couldn't
you?

This week they are showing "The Third Man" which was also supposedly 
referred to in Twin Peaks.  (The Third Man at the crime scene)
--
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu
{uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey

> > On a purely geographical basis:  Laura mentions Mill Town and
> > Low Town several times.  I don't recall hearing those names on
> > the actual show.  Or were they?
.-.
|I| believe somewhere they mention that Bob Lydecker is in a coma
`-' after being in a fight in Low Town.  Low Town is part of Twin
    Peaks.

> > Laura goes to the Bookhouse.  Evidently, anyone can do so
> > then?  I had the impression that it was only for members of
> > the Bookhouse Boys.
.-.
|I| wondered about that myself.  I suspect that maybe the
`-' Bookhouse Boys hang out in the back room of an established
    coffeehouse, or that the bookhouse is an alcohol-free
    alternative to the Roadhouse set up by the do-gooding
    Bookhouse Boys.

> > I found the characterization of Leo puzzling.  It makes me
> > wonder how much Shelley knew about those parties.
.-.
|I| don't think Shelley knew about them at all.  Remember, they
`-' were held out at Jacques' place.

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In article <90330.063809ST00038@auvm.auvm.edu> ST00038@auvm.auvm.edu writes:
> >anyone see the show "broken badges" on saturday starring ferrer (sp?).
> >
> >i figured since i couldn't have my peaks, i could try the new show.
> >would like any comments from others who saw it.

    Yeah, I saw the show only because Ferrer was in it.  He is certainly
not Albert in a ponytail.     

    However, I thought the show as a whole was a mindless stereotypical
spectacle of cardboard ethnic personalities and unfortunate portrayals of
non-funny psychiatric conditions.  Mental health professionals from all
over the country must be cringing at the image of the inept psychiatrist 
being manipulated at the hands of his deluded patients.  Worse was the
show's portrayal of women, including the leather-clad misogynist fantasy,
the easily-tippled but brainy lieutenant, and the sexy Hispanic sister 
who suddenly falls for our intrepid Cajun investigator.

    To paraphrase a Thanksgiving complaint: I can't believe I watched
the whole thing.  This show reminded me of why I watch TP instead of
regular television.

Elizabeth E. LeClair (lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)
International House
University of Chicago

> > Well, gee, maybe they thought that you would like to think about
> > it and draw your own conclusions.  If you want to be told what
> > to think, and how to think it, I recommend a subscription to
> > Time Magazine.
.-.
|H|ow fallacious.  If _American_Chronicles_ has indeed only shown
`-' one side of it, it didn't give enough information to "draw
    your own conclusions."  This would put it in the same league
    as _Time_.
.-.
|M|y understanding of _AC_ is that its documentaries are shown
`-' from the unique Lynchian/Frostian perspectives.  A "Lifestyles
    of the Rich and Famous" treatment of Hef seems far below the
    standards of quality we've come to expect from the team.
.-.
|I|f I were Lynch :-), I'd zoom in on Hef's ubiquitous Pepsi can
`-' and crank up the sound of the bubbles. :-)

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In article <90330.063809ST00038@auvm.auvm.edu> ST00038@auvm.auvm.edu writes:
> >anyone see the show "broken badges" on saturday starring ferrer (sp?).
> >what an accent!!
> >
> >i figured since i couldn't have my peaks, i could try the new show.
> >would like any comments from others who saw it.
> >
> >very different character from albert.

I watched about twenty minutes of it.

The character just seemed to me like a bad parody of Dennis Quaid in
_The Big Easy_.  Even down to the pour-more-wine-in-her-glass-than-his
routine.  Surely not every cop from New Orleans talks and acts like
that :-) ?  Someone from New Orleans care to comment?
--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA
"This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top."  -- Lula

> > While feminists like to believe that all women are proud and
> > capable of looking after themselves, the sad fact remains that
> > many women have become so victimized they are unable to remove
> > themselves from the situation . . .
.-.
|A|ctually, feminists are the ones who first pointed this victim-
`-' ization out in a way that it had some influence.  Battered
    women's shelters and rape crisis centers were created (and
    are generally staffed) by feminists.
.-.
|W|hile the autonomy of women is certainly one of the goals of
`-' feminism, I doubt that there's a feminist alive who doesn't
    realize that the way to that goal is blocked.

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 In article <5904@kd4nc.UUCP> km4ba@kd4nc.UUCP (Allen Barrow) writes:
 >
 >Does anyone know if Julie Cruise's album has the songs she sang
 >at the bar the night Maddie was killed? She was pretty good.
 >
 >Alan Barrow
 
 The songs she sang that night were "Rockin' Back Inside my Heart"
 and "The World Spins," both of which are on the Julee Cruise CD.
 (And those are definitely two of the best songs on the disk...)

 Everytime I hear "The World Spins" these days, I can't help but
 have flashbacks of Bob and Maddie.  The combination of music and
 scene was just so powerful...

 Martin.

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