Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990

In article <9901.26cd5ec5@pbs.org>, bhall@pbs.org (Dark Star) writes:
> >Here is one.  It is Lucy leading into a break for a commercial by saying
> >"Time for a cup of joe..."
 
  Unfortunately, for non-Mac people, it is difficult to convert BinHex files.
Could you post a UUENCODED version of the binary sound file? Or at least mail
me a copy... (beg plead smarm)
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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"Especially liked the green vagina." --shorrow@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil
     [The wretched dream is realized, the human race is to be crystalized.]
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    AUGH!! All these great TP sounds and I can't convert them cause I don't
own a MAC...
 
  Will someone please post the sound files in UUENCODED format??
  Or at least mail me.
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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"Especially liked the green vagina." --shorrow@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil
     [The wretched dream is realized, the human race is to be crystalized.]
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I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:

 >  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter

 >  she has a TWIN SISTER (!!!!)

i found that interesting, although i think it would be
infinitely neater if she were INGMAR bergman's daughter

can anybody confirm/deny these snippets o' info?
i must admit i don't trust my grandmother too much...

paul burriesci
frank@darkside.com
paulb@tma1.apple.com
Paul_Burriesci.GREENMAIL@gateway.qm.apple.com

In article: <XZ9io3w163w@darkside.com>,
frank@darkside.com (Krankhaft Maulwurf) writes:

| 
| I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
| isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:
| 
|  >  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

She's cute.


| 
|  >  she has a TWIN SISTER (!!!!)
| 
| i found that interesting, although i think it would be
| infinitely neater if she were INGMAR bergman's daughter
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And he's not.

My vote goes with Ingrid.

:)



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schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes:

> > Yes, It's called "The Angriest Dog In The World" and it is great. It can be
> > found here locally (the L.A. area) in the free weekly newspaper The Reader.

I've seen a few of these strips.  

Now - the big question.  Anybody been collecting these strips?

I'd love to see a bunch of these, even if they are photocopied.  :-)

  - Harrison

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In article <1421@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
> >Well, if you don't have a Mac, then you must want them for some 
> >other machine...a SPARCstation maybe?  I've converted the three that
> >have been posted so far to SPARC format (8-bit mu-law, 8192 sampling
> >rate) and uuencoded them.  I'll put each one in a separate posting
> >following this one.
 
  Well I tried one of those SPARC format files, but whatever the format is,
it apparently involves stripping out the MSB (most significant bit) of each
byte, which makes for a very *staticy* sound file...
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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"Especially liked the green vagina." --shorrow@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil
     [The wretched dream is realized, the human race is to be crystalized.]
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In article <23531@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet writes:
> >Alright, I've summoned the courage to post for the whole world to see -
> >my theory of the dwarf in the dream sequence.
> >
> >While watching that episode for the first time, I was struck by a 
> >sense of deja vu (sp?).  I thought the visual of the dwarf with 
> >his back to the camera doing something with his hands was very
> >reminiscent of Andy Kaufman's (? - you know - the guy who played
> >Laka on TAXI) Elvis impersonation.  Now just consider this for 
> >a moment - Elvis is a twin and the tabloids are having a field
> >day with debating whether or not he's really dead.  Also consider
> >the dwarf's opening words - "let's rock".  I think David Lynch
> >is just playing with us.
> >
> >Connie

Lynch does have an Elvis thing, "Wild at Heart" has several tips of
the hat to Elvis - Sailor performing two Elvis songs, the references
to fried bananas (a favorite of Elvis) a few karate moves on Sailor's
part (another hobby of E's).

And indeed, Elvis did have a twin, Jesse Garon, who died at a young age.
Obviously, the dwarf is Jesse Garon Presley himself!  He didn't die, he was
just a dwarf, and Vernon and Gladys Presley told everyone that he had died.

More importantly, I believe that the dwarf is seen briefly in the final
episode, tying Audrey up.  We do see a small, mysterious figure tie her up and 
slip away.

I'm begining to think that the distinctions between Lynch's films are
starting to fade.  It's all one big story.  How it fits, I dunno.

- Dan

I haven't heard anyone talk about this, so here goes...

Did anyone notice anything about the music played in the dream sequence?

My theory is that that music is the same music that Audrey dances to in
the coffee shop, but there it's played BACKWARDS.  This would make sense
in a Lynch sort of way since almost everything in the dream is backwards.

Anyone remember what Audrey says about the music?  She says: "Isn't it dreamy?"
Aha!

But my question is, what could all of this mean?

Any ideas, any alternate theories?

  -pete  (pjsiegel@milton.u.washington.edu)

In <XZ9io3w163w@darkside.com> frank@darkside.com (Krankhaft Maulwurf) writes:

> >I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
> >isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:

>> > >  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter

> >can anybody confirm/deny these snippets o' info?
> >i must admit i don't trust my grandmother too much...

Sure.  She's the daughter of Ingrid Bergman and Roberto Rosellini --
maybe not as brooding as ol' Ingmar, but a great director himself.

Gee, I dunno about the twin thing, though.  Ingrid Bergman has another
daughter by (I think) a previous husband.  Her name is Pia Lindstrom and
was a local newscaster when I lived in New York.  No way are those two
twins. 

-- Clay

In article <23531@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (Connie) writes:
>> >> ...  [T]he dwarf with his back to the camera doing something
>> >>with his hands was very reminiscent of Andy Kaufman's (...) Elvis
>> >>impersonation.  ...  [And his] opening words - "Let's rock!"  ...

It did seem obvious that he was "getting in character".  Kaufman's
_Elvis_ does leap to memory, doesn't it?  Now, if we can just find a
_Mighty Mouse_ mention, too...  :-)

In article <1990Aug23.031129.7956@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan "Parmenator-X" Parmenter) writes:
> >I'm begining to think that the distinctions between Lynch's films are
> >starting to fade.  It's all one big story.  How it fits, I dunno.

This wouldn't be at all surprising.  All of Thomas Pynchon's stories
seem to occur in a common universe, in which characters and corporations
that are clearly fictional inventions (eg, Yoyodyne) recur frequently.
Many authors leave dozens of in-jokes to be found by those who look.
Lynch's simply seem more thickly applied, as by the Firesign Theatre.

And the dwarf, or at least the actor who plays him, certainly does appear
elsewhere in Lynch's work, most notably in (of course!) _Eraserhead_.

Lum

(I suspect the remark about the fish being a RED HERRING is spot on, too.)
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In article <33456@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham) writes:

   my tv schedule shows tp being bumped by nfl pre-season play.  is this
   happening everywhere?  just in the east?  or just in my town?  tp was
   not bumped last week here as it apparently was in chicago.

Yep, same out here in the rockies, but fortunately the Denver Affiliate is
showing this weeks episode after the local news (10:35) this week. *phew*

-randy
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> > And indeed, Elvis did have a twin, Jesse Garon, who died at a
> > young age. 
.-.
|M|ore twin stuff.  Who really did kill JFK, and what exactly was
`-' his relationship with Marilyn Monroe?  And how does Madonna
    fit into all this?
.-.
|M|ost people think Elvis' twin's name is Enos.  Enos & Elvis
`-' sound like a pair of twins, don't they?  This is derived from
    the joke that Elvis "the Pelvis" has a brother Enos . . .

> > More importantly, I believe that the dwarf is seen briefly
> > in the final episode, tying Audrey up.  We do see a small,
> > mysterious figure tie her up and slip away.
.-.
|Y|es, but that's an old woman.  A old, hunched over seamstress
`-' crone type, in fact.  And she's not exactly tying Audrey up,
    she's kind of sewing something onto her.  (I don't want to
    go into more detail, since there are folks here watching
    the reruns for the first time.)
    <_Jym_>

In article <6634@milton.u.washington.edu> pjsiegel@milton.u.washington.edu (Peter Siegel) writes:
> >Did anyone notice anything about the music played in the dream sequence?
> >
> >My theory is that that music is the same music that Audrey dances to in
> >the coffee shop, but there it's played BACKWARDS.  This would make sense
> >in a Lynch sort of way since almost everything in the dream is backwards.

Gee, i just rewatched the dream episode last night and the music in the
dream sounded like a variation on the coffee shop music.  Not
backwards, that's for sure.

Incidentally, I think the dwarf is Leland Palmer.  Note how Leland is
seen looking very demented and snapping his fingers before he puts on
Pennsylvania 6-5000 and totally freaks out earlier in that show.
Also, the dwarf's COUSIN looks exactly like Laura Palmer...?  How
about Leland's niece Madeleine, who looks exactly like Laura
Palmer...?  Also, the dwarf's dance is similar to the Leland "antler
dance" that happens in a few weeks.

Oops, better shut up, don't wanna give too much away..

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In article <uL2Bo2w163w@darkside.com> qc@darkside.com (Quantum Cheerios) writes:
> >Has anyone been able to figger out what the significance of the silent drape 
> >runners is?  I mean - is it just a Lynch thing, or is there some theme tied 
> >up in this?
> >The wierdest, hardest thing about TP is that we *know* that many of the 
> >oddities that we view have definte themes and allegorical meaning.  But so 
> >many of them seem to have none.  Just weirdness.
> >
> >Anyway - drape runners:  An analogy to Jesus?  (g).

My personal hypothesis is that Nadine IS in fact dead, and that she will 
come back as a ghost, whose haunting will take the form of squeaky
drape runners.  ;-)

I don't know where you get Jesus out of that.

- Dan

"Jesus was a leprechaun, his name was Happy Tom" - Snakefinger

In article <1990Aug23.031129.7956@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan "Parmenator-X" Parmenter) writes:
> >More importantly, I believe that the dwarf is seen briefly in the final
> >episode, tying Audrey up.  We do see a small, mysterious figure tie her up and 
> >slip away.
 
  We do?
  I sure as hell didn't...
  Someone check this out. I don't remember anything like that scene above,
but if there was one I want to know.
 
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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"Especially liked the green vagina." --shorrow@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil
Bart Simpson killed Laura Palmer --T-shirt in New Breed comic strip
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In article <33512@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff) writes:
> >Also, in this month's "Details" (yes, I'm ashamed to admit that I even bought 
> >it), there's an interview with Audrey.  It says she was in a teen pseudo-skin
> >flick at one point...   Hmmmmm....
 
  She was in the movie "Two Moon Junction" and showed no small amount of flesh,
and did a rather explicit sex scene actor (can't remember his name but he
was the long haired cop in "Hardball") in some abandoned railroad crossing.
(HMMMMMM!)
  You can check out the pictures in the most recent issue of "Celebrity Sleuth"
magazine. "Ingenudes 3"
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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"Especially liked the green vagina." --shorrow@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil
Bart Simpson killed Laura Palmer --T-shirt in New Breed comic strip
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In article <0093BA16.023D8720@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> carl@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu 
(Drifter...) writes:
> >In article <1990Aug23.031129.7956@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
(Dan "Parmenator-X" Parmenter) writes:
>> >>More importantly, I believe that the dwarf is seen briefly in the final
>> >>episode, tying Audrey up.  We do see a small, mysterious figure tie her up and 
>> >>slip away.
> > 
> >  We do?
> >  I sure as hell didn't...
> >  Someone check this out. I don't remember anything like that scene above,
> >but if there was one I want to know.

Don't believe me, eh?  Well I was right and wrong.  As a previous poster 
pointed out, the hunched-over figure is an old crone, putting the "final
touches" on Audrey.  So it isn't the dwarf.  I guess I wasn't paying close
enough attention the first time through, but I just watched it again.
However, how you could have missed the wscene I described, is beyond me.
A small, mysterious figure does appear and scurry away.

My hypothesis here is that the sexual act will in fact be consummated in the
dark, and then once the lights come on, surprise!

Hmm, getting back to this crone - isn't the crone a symbol in various
mythologies, including Tarot cards?  Any Tarot types out there?
If the crone is in fact some sort of symbol, what exactly is it a symbol OF?

The whole show, the more I think about it, is full of symbolism like that.
Primal imagery like the deer's head, cryptic references to the "evil in the
woods", "Ghost Wood" - this above and beyond all the more obvious
mysticism of Agent Cooper, Mrs. Palmer and the Log Lady.  Are they ever going 
to get back to the evil in the woods?  What exactly is it, giant ants?

- Dan

In article <1990Aug3.180626.10973@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> ciamac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Ciamac Moallemi) writes:
> >Also, can anyone explain the plot of _Eraserhead_ to me? 

No.  Anyone who says they can is lying.   8)

Seriously, I've seen it close to a dozen times, and never tire of being 
completely baffled by it.

"Oh, you _are_ sick, aren't you?"

chaz

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In article <uL2Bo2w163w@darkside.com> qc@darkside.com (Quantum Cheerios) writes:
> >Has anyone been able to figger out what the significance of the silent drape 
> >runners is?  I mean - is it just a Lynch thing, or is there some theme tied 
> >up in this?

Well, I think there are at least two referents here.

First, of course, is the reference to Blade Runner, one of the seminal
films of the cyberpunk "style". While Twin Peaks is in no way a cyberpunk
series (in fact, it's almost devoid of technology beyond Cooper's tape
recorder), some of the characters do show a remarkable lack of emotion and
seem almost without scruples, just like Roy Batty and the gang were.
Perhaps Cooper is an android.

More subtle perhaps is the reference to the classic war film Run Silent, Run
Deep, about an Allied submarine trying to sneak through a bunch of nasties'
blockade. I believe that the captain of the sub or one of the ships had an
eyepatch, and at one point they dumped a bunch of oil out a torpedo tube
to make it look like they were hit.

Hmmm, now that I think about it, what about Silent Running as well.

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>>>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 90 00:54:01 GMT, mary@mizar.usc.edu (Mary Froehlig) said:
MF> pjsiegel@milton.u.washington.edu (Peter Siegel) writes:

> >My theory is that that music is the same music that Audrey dances to in
> >the coffee shop, but there it's played BACKWARDS.  This would make sense
> >in a Lynch sort of way since almost everything in the dream is backwards.

MF> This would make *a lot* of sense.  I thought the music
MF> she danced to was really odd, off in a strange way.

The music is NOT backwards, for chrissakes.  It is just some synth
spiel that Angelo babe cooked up.  Maybe it sounds odd compared to
the incidental music in "Golden Girls," I don't know.  

I read a little snippet in the paper the other day quoting from an
interview with Lynch.  He said that he is from the "Western Union"
school of filmmaking:  if he wants to send a message, he'll do it with
a telegram.  He disclaimed all intentional symbolism in "Wild at
Heart."  I think he's telling the truth.  

Lynch makes shit that looks good.  If you think it means something,
that's YOUR problem.

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In article <26D41BD4.14C2@tct.uucp> chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> >According to tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson):
>> >>However, Cooper says that the "cousin" *is* L.P, so perhaps
>> >>Laura was a bookhouse boy [...]
> >
> >Naw.  Cooper just made a mistake, that's all.  If the cousin
> >really were Laura, why would she say "sometimes I feel as if
> >I knew her" about herself?
> >-- 
> >Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT     <chip@tct.uucp>, <uunet!pdn!tct!chip>

Well, she was seeing a psychiatrist, after all.  But think about this:

1) the dream cousin kisses Cooper, and Audrey lusts for Cooper.
2) at the diner, Audrey says "there were some things about Laura
I didn't like..."
3) the dwarf comes from the place where the birds sing a pretty song, perhaps
norway, and is Jerry, Audrey's cousin.
 
I think that there might have been some daughter swapping going on between
Leland and Ben Horne, which Audrey discovered while walking in the walls...
nah.  Actually, Audrey was killed, and Laura is impersonating Audrey.  
(Well, so how did they manage to alter Audrey's body to look like
Laura's, anyway?  a small problem..)
 
I think that incest is much more deeply rooted in TP than we have been shown
so far.

yes. its called "The Angriest Dog In The World."
usually it involved four frames.  there is a black dog
which looks more like a shark, going "grrrrrrrrrrrrrr..."
the first three frames are in the day, and the fourth is at nite.
the dog is chained up in a yard by a house, and is always
tugging at the chain and growling. from the window of the house,
a balloon (the owner's voice) says irrelevant things, like
"never let a bat pee in your eye," and "the psychological origin of
the idea of space, or of the necessity for it,
...is far from being so obvious as it may appear."
the front of the strip always has the same introduction:
"The dog who is so angry he cannot move. He cannot eat.
He cannot sleep. He can just barely growl.
...bound so tightly with tension and anger, he approaches
the state of rigor mortis."

weemba.

What is the significance of Ed's claim that someone spiked his drink at the
Roadhouse?  Who would have done it, and what would they have gained from it?
No one really knew he would be there except Norma, and certainly no one knew    se
there would be a fight at that particular moment.  He says that Jacques was
working the bar that night, but careful examination of the tape shows a couple
of other bartenders, but no Jacques.

There's also an interesting flub in the editing in the Roadhouse scene.  After
the fight starts, Joey helps Donna out the back way, with one of the bartenders
ushering them along behind the bar to the back door.  They get on his bike and
leave, with Harry and Dale following "discreetly".  Eventually the scene
returns to the bar, with a long shot showing the fight still going on.
However, in the background, if you look quickly, you can see Joey and Donna
being assisted along behind the bar a second time!

In article <38400@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> suelynn@eclair.berkeley.edu 
(Susan Streisand) writes:

> >So, how do people feel about Twin Peaks being treated as just another
> >nightime soap?
> >

It doesn't bother me at all.  "Soap Opera" need not be a perjorative term.
There are many things I've enjoyed over the years that are "soap operas".
As a longtime reader of the daily "Brenda Starr" comic strip, I long ago 
learned to accept the idea that a soap could be simultaneously trashy,
vulgar, insightful, fascinating and even funny.  Kind of like TP itself.

It's been my experience that most publications devoted to soaps have 
a very general definition of what one is.  All it needs to have is
continuing stories and characters, and it's a soap.

Furthermore, TP is not the first completely off-the-wall soap.  Consider:

General Hospital: 8 or 9 years ago, the plot invloved a mad scientist
(played by John Colicos, of "Battlestar Galactica") who plotted to 
take over the world, with a freeze ray.  He pointed his freeze
ray at Port Charles, and soon Luke and Laura (the unlikely sex symbols
of the show) were off to try to ferret out this madman.  Hijinks included
a stint on a dessert island, a la "Gilligan's Island".

Furthermore, a recent storyline (I've long since given up the show, so
I'm not up on this) involved finding an alien being in a barn.

One Life to Live: Last year, one plotline revolved around a mysterious
underground kingdom called Eterna, where a bunch of the regular cast were
trapped.  Another OLTL storyline a couple of years earlier involved
time travel.

And then there's Dark Shadows...
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Hooker - that's a colloquiallism for prostitute - though the word hooker is 
correct.  The word prostitute has been neologized.  Too many guys have 
"prostituted their art."  All these men all over the world:  "I'm prostituting 
myself.  I can"t work for them.  I'm not gonna prostitute myself any longer!"
Now some shriner says to the bell captain, "Son, go get me a 100 dollar
prostitute."  "Yessuh."
Ten minutes later a guy comes to the door with a beard.  He writes - some 
schmuck:"Good evening.  I'm a prostitute."
"Not for me you're not.  Get outta here.  And get the bell captain 
outta here.  He's a bit weird."
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Uh.. HI.. Yeah, TODD-AO format is filmed on 60mm neg. and printed to 70mm for
distribution. Usually includes 3 to 6 channels of mag. sound. TODD-AO played
with 30fps when it was first developed in the 50's? then changed over to 24fps
which is the current standard... Any way you look at it, a pricey way to film
a dog of a movie...

The Clash have a song about Montgomery Clift on _London Calling_.
They don't portray him as a monster, more like a bum.
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According to tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson):
> >However, Cooper says that the "cousin" *is* L.P, so perhaps
> >Laura was a bookhouse boy [...]

Naw.  Cooper just made a mistake, that's all.  If the cousin
really were Laura, why would she say "sometimes I feel as if
I knew her" about herself?
-- Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT <chip@tct.uucp>, <uunet!pdn!tct!chip>

In article <15060@csli.Stanford.EDU>, glad@csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
says:
> >
> >Sure.  She's the daughter of Ingrid Bergman and Roberto Rosellini --
> >maybe not as brooding as ol' Ingmar, but a great director himself.
> >
Isabella has also shown great tast in directors prior to her involvement
with Lynch -- she used to be married to Martin Scorcese.

Scott Schnackenberg

Re: TP as Weird soap....

And what was more off-the-wall than "Mary Hartman! Mary Hartman!"?

In a previous article, jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Mind at the End of the Tether) writes:
> >There was one other Twin Peaks star in Wild At Heart - Grace
> >Zabriskie, who played Laura's psychic-distraught Mommy.  You might not
> >recognize her though - she's replaced her abundant curls with a tight
> >blonde haircut.

Though you will recognize her accent if you saw _The Big Easy_, in which
she played Dennis Quaid's mama, the matriarch of the McSwain clan.

Janet

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Me and my friend are having a disagreement over whether Laura and
Lland were "doing the nasty".  I believe they were, and this is the
main reason for Leland's bizarre behavior.  As someone posted earlier,
guilt is the motivation for Leland killing(?) Jacque.  The scene at
the funeral is a very funny hint at this.  By the way, does anyone
think Madeline knows what is going on in this scene?  Her attitude
seems to point to some knowledge of the relation between Leland and
Laura.  Who is the good girl, who is the bad girl?
bcp
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                                       - a sound bite from a Public Enemy song.

In article <90239.093314MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu> MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >Re: TP as Weird soap....
> >And what was more off-the-wall than "Mary Hartman! Mary Hartman!"?

Or even "Soap" itself.  There were even aliens in that one!
And a Satan baby.
And it gave us Robert Guillaume's "Benson" character.
Chuck and Bob rule.
Bill Sherman                "A hand from the cloud emerges, holding a
sherman@math.ucla.edu         chart expanded."  -Joyce, _Finnegans Wake_

      The "OLD CRONE" in the final One Eyed Jacks sequence is the REAL Laura Pa
lmer in disguise.

I am a first timer going through the re-runs, though I've read all the
spoilers so I know a little more than I should.

Did anyone notice that on "Invitation to Love", the soap opera Shelly and
Leland Palmer watch, there are two characters played by the same actress?
It's true!  AND we see this for the first time right before Madeline, played
by the same actress as Laura Palmer, first appears.  I think this is a clue
that Madaline is NOT Laura Palmer in disguise, but simply whatshername in
another role.

How about all those Hamlet references at the funeral?  I'm going back to
read that play for clues.  In it, there is a fight at Ophelia's funeral, and
her brother ends up on the casket.  Ophelia was a young woman with a weird
boyfriend who drove her crazy.She died by drowning.  Laura did not die
from drowning, although a lot of us thought so at first.  Did one of her
boyfriends drive her crazy, Hamlet style?  Also at the funeral, when Leland
is on the casket, Sarah Palmer says "Don't ruin this too!"  Too?  Hmm,
maybe she is also refering to the photo he got all bloody.  Maybe not.

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Seems pretty clear to me that Laura was having an incestuous relationship
with Leland P., wanted out, so murdered her look alike cousin, Madeleine,
and took her place.

This means, of course, that Madeleine is really Laura. Furthermore, 
Jacoby knows something about the switcheroo (or at least suspects); 
hence his willingness to go meet "Laura" (*Really* Laura), who others
suppose is Madeleine *posing* as Laura.  

This suggests that Laura shot Cooper.

Who killed Laura Palmer?  Nobody.

> > Both times I saw the pilot broadcast, the scene where Cooper
> > interviewed Donna had bad sound.  It was fainter, and intermittently
> > dropped out entirely.
> >
> > Did other folks notice this, or does our Austin station just have
> > a bad copy of it, or what?

Yeah, I noticed this too... it was very annoying... I think they editted
the sound track and added in the "Donna and James" music over the old
sound track.

--- glenn "my dog barks some" sisson

In article <90239.093314MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu> MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >Re: TP as Weird soap....
> >
> >And what was more off-the-wall than "Mary Hartman! Mary Hartman!"?

And don't forget SOAP. 

-Brady

In article <1990Aug27.190434.9368@midway.uchicago.edu> ethan@cicero.uchicago.edu (Ethan Ligon) writes:
> >Seems pretty clear to me that Laura was having an incestuous relationship
> >with Leland P., wanted out, so murdered her look alike cousin, Madeleine,
> >and took her place.
> >
This is a very interesting theory.  I do not believe it is correct,
though.  Laura did not seem like the kind of girl who could not say no
to a man, in fact, she could probably kill a man if she wanted (I
agree with this part).  But killing Madeline would be too much work,
not efficient enough.  Man, she was strung out on cocaine, and would
probably kill herself first.

> >This suggests that Laura shot Cooper.
> >
> >Who killed Laura Palmer?  Nobody.

Now, if this were true, Agent Cooper shot her, at least.  As someone
posted earlier, I believe in the theory that Agent Cooper was able to
nail his assailant ( a dream come true).
bcp

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                                       therefore, the future."
                                       - a sound bite from a Public Enemy song.

>> >> I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
>> >> isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:

>>> >>>  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter

>>> >>>  she has a TWIN SISTER (!!!!)

Are they really married?  The article in the current issue of People
magazine says they are just dating.

> >Sure.  She's the daughter of Ingrid Bergman and Roberto Rosellini --
> >maybe not as brooding as ol' Ingmar, but a great director himself.

> >Gee, I dunno about the twin thing, though.  Ingrid Bergman has another
> >daughter by (I think) a previous husband.  Her name is Pia Lindstrom and
> >was a local newscaster when I lived in New York.  No way are those two
> >twins. 

Yes, Ingrid's first husband was Swedish and named Peter (or the Swedish 
version of that) Lindstrom, I think.  She was still married to him when she
had her affair with Roberto Rosellini, and became pregnant with her son
(also named Roberto, I believe.)

I do think I remember something about Isabella having a twin sister, but
I'm not sure.  They weren't identical twins, and I think the other twin's
name may have been Ingrid, also (like her mother), or something similar.

I may be all wrong, though; it's been a long time since I read this.
Also, this is my first attempt at posting news, so excuse me if I didn't
do it right!

In article <XZ9io3w163w@darkside.com> frank@darkside.com (Krankhaft Maulwurf) writes:
> >
> >I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
> >isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:
> >
>> > >  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter
> >
As confirmed before that is right.
>> > >  she has a TWIN SISTER (!!!!)

That is correct too! I'm not sure what her name is ( maybe Isotta ) but she
doesn't look like her!
Isabella was also the "Lancome-Girl" and still is, even after "Blue Velvet".
Her first real movie was "Il prato" of the Taviani-Brothers ( around 1977 ).
Before she was in a movie with her mother.
M.H.

In article <1113@gargoyle.uchicago.edu>, bcp1@gargoyle.uchicago.edu
(Bruce Christian Paul) writes:
> > Me and my friend are having a disagreement over whether Laura and
> > Lland were "doing the nasty".  I believe they were, and this is the
> > main reason for Leland's bizarre behavior.  As someone posted earlier,
> > guilt is the motivation for Leland killing(?) Jacque.

I think you're in the right neighborhood, but doubt that guilt
was Leland's motive.

Last year I developed a theory about Leland being Laura's
killer, and while watching the reruns keep seeing additional
shreds of evidence to support it.  One is the scene in the
woods in episode 2; it looked like that the person skulking
in the dark was wearing the black overcoat that Leland wore
in episode 7.

In #3, Albert reconstructed evidence to suggest the killer did
the deed, then washed his hands, then kissed the corpse.  The
only character in the show that this behavior would fit is Leland.


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@unify.com

When does the new season of Twin peaks begin, we are trying to plan
a party for the second season opener.

thanx in advance.

Here're a few things to think about...  responses mucho appreciated.


(1)  In the infamous dream scene, check out the shadow that
     passes across the curtain.  It doesn't look like any
     airplane I've ever seen.  In fact, it rather resembles
     the outline of the state of Texas.

(2)  In the rock/bottle scene, there are the single letters
     "R" and "T" on the chalkboard.  Moments later, without
     anyone having written on the board, we see that those
     same letters have been circled.  Continuity slip?  Do
     the letters mean anything in any case?  Any relation
     to the "R" under Laura's fingernail?

(3)  When Bobby drives Shelly home in the pilot, the day
     after Laura's murder, he's concerned about Leo being
     there.  Shelly assures him Leo called her from Butte
     the night before, and Bobby appears to accept this
     answer then becomes distraught when he sees Leo's
     truck.  "He's in Butte, huh!?"

     When Bobby and Mike are in jail after the brawl,
     Bobby mentions that he saw Leo the night of Laura's
     murder...

     Why then is he so surprised when he sees Leo's truck
     in the pilot?  Or is he covering something up with
     Mike?


Just a few things that have been bugging me....



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Twin peaks was pre-empted by a pre-season football game in my area this
past Saturday (8/25).  Could someone please post or e-mail a synopsis of
the 3rd episode.

Thanks in advance,

Sue

  So far, five bodies have been found in Gainesville, FL. All mutilated, and
all female freshmen (one was only 17). And the FBI has gotten involved.
 
  It may be several people doing it.
  And they appear to be able to break into anyone's home at will.
 
 
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> >In #3, Albert reconstructed evidence to suggest the killer did
> >the deed, then washed his hands, then kissed the corpse.  The
> >only character in the show that this behavior would fit is Leland.

 AH!  Be vewy vewy careful!  Albert never said anything of the like. All
    he said was that the killer washed his hands, and "then leaned in for
    a kiss."  He never stated whether or not she was dead already. I actually
    doubt it. . .


AND GUYS!!  How *can* you relate TP to shit like Dallas and Dynasty in the genre
of Night Time Soaps!  Jeez, there is no comparison, in storyline,in character-
ization, in cinematography, in directing, in any aspect *whatsoever*!!!

I could never see the question "Who killed JR?" Coming close to the question,
"Who killed Laura Palmer?"


Love and Douglas Firs,
gWEN

In article <1113@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> bcp1@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Bruce Christian Paul) writes:

   Me and my friend are having a disagreement over whether Laura and
   Lland were "doing the nasty".  I believe they were, and this is the
   main reason for Leland's bizarre behavior.  As someone posted earlier,
   guilt is the motivation for Leland killing(?) Jacque.

I would agree with you ( my wife thinks leo... ).

Perhaps Leland was killing not out of guilt, but to attempt to get rid of
anyone who would know of his actions.  His weird behaviour, that's guilt.

-randy
-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

In article <108662@tiger.oxy.edu> eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
> >
> >AND GUYS!!  How *can* you relate TP to shit like Dallas and Dynasty in the genre
> >of Night Time Soaps!  Jeez, there is no comparison, in storyline,in character-
> >ization, in cinematography, in directing, in any aspect *whatsoever*!!!
> >
> >I could never see the question "Who killed JR?" Coming close to the question,
> >"Who killed Laura Palmer?"

You are taking TP too seriously.  I think Lynch/Frost want us to see
the correlation between TP and soaps.  _Invitation to Love_ is
inviting us to make the connection, especially with all the
similarities between the plot of TP and the action in IL.
bcp

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                                       therefore, the future."
                                       - a sound bite from a Public Enemy song.

Potential spoilers for first-time viewers...









Given that nothing is certain in TP, I still think the voice of experience
here is again of some use. Being a father of a teen of the female glands gives
one a rather different perspective. Let's look at what we do know....

       1. Leland knows big daddy Horne fairly well, professionally and -
          probably - socially. He may well have some idea about the links
          between Horne and OEJ's and the perfume counter girls.

       2. Leland is/was probably very close to his daughter and - despite what
          most teens think - knows his daughter better than than others do.

       3. He knows that she was working at the perfume counter, knew what that
          probably meant, knew he should do SOMETHING, but either did not or
          failed to get Laura to quit.

Given that I feel guilty when my kid gets a bruise in phys ed - like I could
really have done anything about it - I can easily see old Leland doing a swan
dive off of the old 10 meter into an empty mental abyss.

The potential for lunacy runs deep among fathers of females. Don't believe me?
Ask the daughters about their dads' behavior towards new boy friends (or
slovenly, sexual perverts, as we see 'em.) Even if we normally are...

                           Mostly THE BEAR

       Grace Zabriskie also plays Matt Dillon's mother in the weird and wonderf
ul and Lynchesque DRUGSTORE COWBOY ( the unsung film of 1990).

Spoiler:


In article <90241.133221MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu> MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >       1. Leland knows big daddy Horne fairly well, professionally and -
> >          probably - socially. He may well have some idea about the links
> >          between Horne and OEJ's and the perfume counter girls.
> >

How 'bout Horne and Audrey in the last episode... perhaps Leland went
to try out the new girl one night and it was Laura...  In terms of
construction, it makes an interesting cycle of events...

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Spoiler:


In article <90241.133221MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu> MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >       1. Leland knows big daddy Horne fairly well, professionally and -
> >          probably - socially. He may well have some idea about the links
> >          between Horne and OEJ's and the perfume counter girls.
> >

How 'bout Horne and Audrey in the last episode... perhaps Leland went
to try out the new girl one night and it was Laura...  In terms of
construction, it makes an interesting cycle of events...

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Hi Folks.. Well, I got ambitious and digitized the dream seq. on my Adap
system.. I have have to give the T.P. folks credit, what they did is extremely
difficult. I thought I'd liven up my answering machine message (the t.p. theme
music is getting a bit tired) and after about 15 min. of trying to listen to
myself talk backwards and repeat it at the same time, well, I'll stick to
Japanese. Anyway, there is nothing on the soundtrack other than there voices..
A very impressive feat by the t.p. crew regardless..

In article <108458@tiger.oxy.edu> sanchez@oxy.edu (John Christopher Sanchez) writes:
> >Did anyone notice that on "Invitation to Love", the soap opera Shelly and
> >Leland Palmer watch, there are two characters played by the same actress?
> >It's true!  AND we see this for the first time right before Madeline, played
> >by the same actress as Laura Palmer, first appears.  I think this is a clue
> >that Madaline is NOT Laura Palmer in disguise, but simply whatshername in
> >another role.
You figured this all out on your own, eh? 8-)
You do save your self with the insightful Hamlet insight though.

CHAz

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How bout drape runners=drug runners?? ooooh, just a long shot...

Hi, sometimes in the audio editing process, to save some time and energy,
the mixer will use a limiter or compressor that features "auto-ducking".
This allows that them to ride one level (voices) and control that with the
level of the background music. It's used in radio alot.. can be very annoying
if it's over done. Also, your local station could be compressing the daylights
out of the sound, would'nt be the first time..

The obvious (!) thing to me is that Big Ed's wife (forgot her name)
is fleeing from sensory input: drapes to remove or diminish her
view of the outside world, silent runners to reduce the sound coming
to her. Might give added meaning to her having one eye and suicidal.

Darkness+silence=removal from world=death.

According to Liz Smith's column in the 8/30 San Francisco Chronicle:

   "Remember the beautiful blond Carol Lynley, star of such classics as 
"Blue Denim", "Bunny Lake is Missing", "The Pleasure Seekers", "The 
Poseidon Adventure" and one of the two movies about Jean Harlow that 
appeared in 1965?

   "We have not seen Carol much lately, not even on TV, where she has 
worked for the past decade.  But now the baby-faced perennial is expected 
to materialize on TV's hot "Twin Peaks".  She'll play Diane, the unseen 
presence to whom FBI man Dale Cooper (played by Kyle Maclachlan) dictates 
his observations about murder, Laura Palmer and cherry pie.

   "When Lynley acheives her place in the "Twin Peaks" cast, she will be 
joining Piper Laurie, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, and Peggy Lipton--all 
once-and-forever movie and TV performers of yesterday who are making a big 
return to public consciousness.

   "(Between "Twin Peaks" and "Murder, She Wrote", every actor over 40 on 
the Screen Actors Guild lists will get a chance to be seen.)"


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I heard the theme to Twin Peaks on the radio a couple of weeks
ago, and I was wondering if it was actually a soundtrack, or
if the DJ just recorded the show.  Does anyone know where I
can get it if it does exists?  I would record the show, but I
don't think ABC broadcasts it in stereo.  I am hooked on this
show and its music!  Life would be so neat if I could just
walk around all the time with the Twin Peaks theme piped into
my head.  Thanks in advance if anyone can help me.
-- Joel Abbott -> abbott@ms.uky.edu, abbott@ukma.bitnet, uunet!ukma!abbott Motto: It is better to regret something you have done than something you have not done.

Well, it was destined to happen: The Twin Peaks Frequently Asked Questions
list.  To get things going I offer the following:

In article <15918@s.ms.uky.edu> abbott@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbott) writes:
> >I heard the theme to Twin Peaks on the radio a couple of weeks
> >ago, and I was wondering if it was actually a soundtrack, or
> >if the DJ just recorded the show.  Does anyone know where I
> >can get it if it does exists?  I would record the show, but I
> >don't think ABC broadcasts it in stereo.  I am hooked on this
> >show and its music!  Life would be so neat if I could just
> >walk around all the time with the Twin Peaks theme piped into
> >my head.  Thanks in advance if anyone can help me.

The Twin Peaks theme (with vocals) is available on the debut album by
artist Juilee Cruise called Floating into the Night.  It may also be
available on the upcoming Twin Peaks sountrack expected to be released
in September.
-- Eric Cotton Commodore-Amiga (215) 431-9100 1200 Wilson Drive {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!eric West Chester, PA 19380 "I don't find this stuff amusing anymore."

In article <15918@s.ms.uky.edu> abbott@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbott) writes:
> >I heard the theme to Twin Peaks on the radio a couple of weeks
> >ago, and I was wondering if it was actually a soundtrack, or
> >if the DJ just recorded the show.  Does anyone know where I
> >can get it if it does exists?  I would record the show, but I
> >don't think ABC broadcasts it in stereo.  I am hooked on this
> >show and its music!  Life would be so neat if I could just
> >walk around all the time with the Twin Peaks theme piped into
> >my head.  Thanks in advance if anyone can help me.

The music is from the album "Drifting (?) into the Night" by Julie Cruise.
Its gained some popularity of late because of the show.  If you like
the music from the TV show, you should enjoy the tape.  Of course, on the
tape most of the songs have lyrics, but they are done in such a dreamy,
hazy voice it only adds to the effect of the music.

A bit of trivia - in the pilot episode, the performer on-stage at the
Roadhouse was Julie Cruise singing one of the songs from the album. I believe
Lynch had a hand in the production of the Julie Cruise album, and even 
wrote some of the lyrics, but I'm not sure about that last part.

+----
Robert Huebner   huebner@aerospace.aero.org (The Aerospace Corporation)
 huebner@en.ecn.purdue.edu  (Purdue University)
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From article <26259@bellcore.bellcore.com>, by wwd@cellar.uucp (Bill Donahue):

> The obvious (!) thing to me is that Big Ed's wife (forgot her name)
> is fleeing from sensory input: drapes to remove or diminish her
> view of the outside world, silent runners to reduce the sound coming
> to her. Might give added meaning to her having one eye and suicidal.

"Silent runners"! Of course! How could I have been so blind!
An obvious reference to the movie "Silent Running"!

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The Apollo Systems Divison of | Elephant, Oh Best Beloved, had no
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frank@darkside.com (Krankhaft Maulwurf) writes:

> > 
> > I was talking to my grandmother about david lynch's wife,
> > isabella rosselini, and she told me two things:
 
First, let it be known that Lynch and Rossellini are NOT married. Just
sweet on each other. I can't even say if they live together.

> >  >  isabella rosselini is ingrid bergman's daugter
 
This is true. In fact, the old story goes that a mutual friend introduced
Lynch to Rossellini and Lynch greeted her with the line, "You know, you 
could be Ingrid Bergman's daughter." After which the friend said, "you
idiot, she IS Ingrid Bergman's daughter!"
 
> >  >  she has a TWIN SISTER (!!!!)

I don't know about that one, Paul.

But let's not dispense gossip, here! I went to Snoqualmie/North Bend and
I must admit it's quite a kick to see the actual locales up close. I
think the neatest thing I saw was the famous stoplight! And of course, the
residents are capitalizing nicely on the Twin Peaks mania. You thought
what you saw on the news was bad? They have shirts, pies, signs EVERYWHERE
in North Bend. You can't get away from it! But it's a nice place.

Now, seeing as how I haven't been on this net for some time, I HAVE to ask
if anybody else has noticed this:

On the rerun of episode 3 (the dream sequence episode), did they or did they
NOT edit out Agent Cooper discussing the "R" and the "T" found underneath
the fingernails of Laura Palmer and, before her, Theresa Banks? I could
SWEAR that in the first showing of that episode, when he is out in the
woods with Harry & co., that he circles both the "R" and the "T" on the
blackboard, and in fact I noticed in the rerun that you will see the two
letters uncircled, then after the next shot, when he says "Today we'll
concentrate on the J's!", the two letters ARE CIRCLED. Now, perhaps they
cut out the actual act of him circling these two letters in the first
showing of the episode (although I don't recall noticing the continuity
flub if they did) but -- and this was in Seattle that I watched this --
if they actually edited out, could it be because the makers had drifted
so far away plotwise from their "serial murderer" solution that they felt
embarrassed to even make a serious point about the letter in the fingernail?

I obviously have not read all 300 messages posted since I left for Seattle
so I don't know if this has been discussed, or even noticed, but could
anybody else get on my side and say "YEAH, they DID edit that out, didn't
they?!"

                            -Uzer

The 'Twin Peaks' song you're most likely to hear on the radio is "Floating",
 just one of ten songs on the Julee Cruise album, "Floating Into The Night".
 The album was produced by David Lynch (who wrote the lyrics) and Angelo
 Badalamenti (who wrote the music). Badalamenti has performance credit on the
 album as well ("Synthesizer and Piano", although Kinny Landrum is the primary
 synthesist).

"Floating Into The Night" is a Warner Bros. release...and I recommend it.

I've been told the Twin Peaks SOUNDTRACK album should be released on or about
 September 4th...can someone confirm this?

Your disclaimer here.                      'Jingle Dell' >> 'Santa-like'
                                           Running Theme -> Wizard Of Oz
rbn@apple.com                                    Bad Guy == Santoz
                                                           ~= Santa + Oz
                                                     -go figure-

> > More subtle perhaps is the reference to the classic war film Run Silent, Run
> > Deep, about an Allied submarine trying to sneak through a bunch of nasties'
> > blockade. I believe that the captain of the sub or one of the ships had an
> > eyepatch, and at one point they dumped a bunch of oil out a torpedo tube
> > to make it look like they were hit.
> > Hmmm, now that I think about it, what about Silent Running as well.

In article <s1Bso9w163w@darkside.com>, user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
> > 
> > On the rerun of episode 3 (the dream sequence episode), did they or did they
> > NOT edit out Agent Cooper discussing the "R" and the "T" found underneath
> > the fingernails of Laura Palmer and, before her, Theresa Banks? I could
> > SWEAR that in the first showing of that episode, when he is out in the
> > woods with Harry & co., that he circles both the "R" and the "T" on the
> > blackboard, and in fact I noticed in the rerun that you will see the two
> > letters uncircled, then after the next shot, when he says "Today we'll
> > concentrate on the J's!", the two letters ARE CIRCLED. Now, perhaps they

About 300 postings at the time the episode first aired pummeled this continuity
flub into the dirt.  It was there the first time.

C'MON!  AREN'T YOU READING NEWS ALL THE TIME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

=)

Chris

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In article <R9PTo1w163w@darkside.com> qc@darkside.com (Quantum Cheerios) writes:
>> >> More subtle perhaps is the reference to the classic war film Run Silent, Run
>> >> Deep, about an Allied submarine trying to sneak through a bunch of nasties'
>> >> blockade. I believe that the captain of the sub or one of the ships had an
>> >> eyepatch, and at one point they dumped a bunch of oil out a torpedo tube
>> >> to make it look like they were hit.
>> >> Hmmm, now that I think about it, what about Silent Running as well.

Hmm...maybe the similarity I noticed to Audrey's dreamy dance and Liza
Minelli in _Cabaret_ wasn't just a coincidence after all.

-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "How many times have I not offered | to be a sister to you" - | "Seventeen" said Bernard.

Allo out there! If anyone can tell me how to upload a file here, I've managed
to reverse engineer my Adap sound samples into Mac startup samples, I Think..
Will take requests if anyone with a Mac can tell me if they work alright...

Hi. The Twin Peaks Theme, both vocal and instru. version are available as
a "single" cassette. I got a copy as the local Musicland outlet.

Does anyone know if TP coffee and pie are really being marketed?
The potential for someone to make piles of money is great so
I'm surprised we haven't seen any TP products by now.  Additionally,
does anyone know where you can get TP t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.
Is there a mail order company that exports to Canada?

--Maria

This may have been mentioned earlier, but has anyone noticed that in
each episode they show an upside down stoplight?  If so, has anyone
found any significance, or is it one of Lynch's little things?

In article <1990Sep2.022405.18855@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> mcrae@csri.toronto.edu (Paul McRae) writes:
> >Does anyone know if TP coffee and pie are really being marketed?
> >The potential for someone to make piles of money is great so
> >I'm surprised we haven't seen any TP products by now.  Additionally,
> >does anyone know where you can get TP t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.
> >Is there a mail order company that exports to Canada?

The trouble is, merchandising stuff associated with t.v. shows tends
to be, by it's very nature, junky trash. If they actually put out
TP coffee and pie, they'd have to be - excuse me - DAMN good or
it just wouldn't work. And I doubt that anyone will be willing to
put that much money into making it or people into buying it if it's
expensive. T-shirts and coffee mugs are a lot more likely.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "How many times have I not offered | to be a sister to you" - | "Seventeen" said Bernard.

I noticed in last night's (9/1) episode a couple of Xeroxed copies of a
sign saying "SAY N0 TO GHOSTWOOD". At least SOMEBODY on the show is keeping
tabs on the long-range plotlines. I'd also forgotten that Josie Packard
did, in fact, agree to go fishing with Pete Martell -- and that Dr. Jacoby
was planning a trip to California "at the end of the month". Judging by
what happens in the last episode, I wonder if they'll go through with them.
I actually think it would be great fun to see Jack Nance and Joan Chen in
a boat, trying to fish. Lack time he went fishing, look what he came up
with!

                             -Uzer

1) How many people think Audrey just discovered that there is a
connection between her father and Leo? Recall that she's playing
Harriet the Spy now, and that her father sends her out of the
room just as he takes a phone call. If YOU were Audrey, wouldn't
you stand outside the door and listen to what your father said?
Mr Horne says enough to tell anyone who could hear him speak that
he's going to meet somebody at a given place. I presume Audrey
has some way of getting around on her own (she shows up at the RR
after the funeral without any escort, but in a place like TP,
perhaps it's a short walk?) and that she might have the nerve to
try to spy on the meeting her father arranged... again, note that
Audrey doesn't close the door to the study on the way out.

2) Poor Bobby Briggs. In his haste to blow out of Renault's
apartment, he gets fingerprints on everything. No gloves! And
Cooper's going to have the room analyzed..

3) Leo wraps Bernie Renault's body in twine, but not in
plastic... interesting but just another little thing. Looked to
me like Bernie's body was wrapped in burlap and twine. After
seeing all the plastic sheeting lying around Leo's house, and
noting that Laura's body was found in plastic, I thought for SURE
that Frost would have Leo use the plasticon Bernie, just to give us all
something more to chatter about. On the other hand, maybe we
should infer that Leo knows better than to wrap bodies in
plastic? Maybe even stretch THAT and say that somebody other than
Leo used the plastic to implicate Leo down the road? (NAAAAH)
Also, not surprising, but we *do* see that Leo is a killer and
doesn't get too worried about it.

4) Ok, we've all noticed how much Audrey is lying to everybody
about being/not being friends with Laura. The photo in Mr Horne's
study would seem to be another piece of evidence that they were,
in fact, good friends. They are both wild, Laura being the wilder
one to date. Match this with how many times she's said things
about being friends with Laura to Mr Horne without Mr Horne
acting surprised, and I think it makes sense. Why did she lie
when asked by Cooper? (Also, Cooper's keen intuition must have
told him she was lying, right?)

5) Mrs Palmer has *two* visions of the necklace (a repeat
vision?). The scene immediately following the description of the
vision to HST begins with a close-up of Emerald's two necklaces.
Fun, but probably not a 'real' clue. I think there's only one (two
halves) necklace.

6) Hank knew Leo, as they're both violent I guess this isn't
surprising, as Hank recommended Leo to Mr Horne.  So Mr Horne has
been in touch with Hank while Hank has been in jail?? Hmmmmm...
who knows.

7) Josie really changes in this episode. Not only is she bold
enough to try and get some serious dirt on Catherine, but she's
also linked with a killer (Hank). ISn't this great? The
possibilities are endless. Perhaps she wants Hank to be an
enforcer-type bodyguard; more likely there's a romantic tie in
there.. And WHY doesn't she tell HST that she was at the hotel? I
think it's because she didn't want Pete to find out (not YET...)
because she does sincerely like Pete. That she likes Pete was the
purpose of the mayo-on-the-sandwich scene -- she really lays it on
THICK for Pete, doesn't she?

This is great because of all the possibilities. Best TV mystery
I've ever followed.

-wt

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In article <1125@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> bcp1@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Bruce Christian Paul) writes:
> >In article <108662@tiger.oxy.edu> eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
>> >>I could never see the question "Who killed JR?" Coming close to the question,
>> >>"Who killed Laura Palmer?"
> >
> >You are taking TP too seriously.  I think Lynch/Frost want us to see
> >the correlation between TP and soaps.  _Invitation to Love_ is
> >inviting us to make the connection, especially with all the
> >similarities between the plot of TP and the action in IL.

You will notice, of course, that the season _ended_ with a cliffhanger
very similar to the one that garnered Dallas an episode with the
highest Neilsen market share ever...  To wit, not "Who shot J.R.?" but
"Who shot Cooper?"

An extremely intentional (and brilliant) parody, in my book.  Twin
Peaks is a soap opera, but an extremely clever and well-made one,
that's all.

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Is there a way to get the twin peaks news on a bitnet account (i.e.
mail only)? I need to get to it from elsewhere.

pr
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In article <5268.26dd4a9a@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mdyj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
writes:

> > 
> > What is Cooper's full name?
> > -Shazgar

I wish I knew too! Please, does anyone know? (I am posting sideways from
Europe and have little access to American media, except for footage of
Iraqi hostages). Thanks!

- Gar

Alright folks, I have an 8bit sample of "She's dead, wrapped in plastic..."
tested to run on a Mac (used Remac on my at to test) ready for the first
person who can tell me how to u/l a binary file on this system... It's
a big file >85k due to a 22khz sampling rate. If anybody has any use for
a high quality (44khz sample, 16bit) I have that as well.... any takers?

In article <15918@s.ms.uky.edu> abbott@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbott) writes:
> >I heard the theme to Twin Peaks on the radio a couple of weeks
> >ago, and I was wondering if it was actually a soundtrack, or
> >if the DJ just recorded the show.  Does anyone know where I
> >can get it if it does exists?  I would record the show, but I
> >don't think ABC broadcasts it in stereo.  I am hooked on this
> >show and its music!  Life would be so neat if I could just
> >walk around all the time with the Twin Peaks theme piped into
> >my head.  Thanks in advance if anyone can help me.

The music that is played at the beginning of the show is a real song
(it was being sung in the bar in the pilot episode, before the fight).
The name of the song is "Falling" and it is performed by Juliee Cruise.
Hope this helps.

-- Eric Wagar ewagar@crash.cts.com | inet ...{nosc,ucsd}!crash!ewagar | uucp

I recently acquired a copy of the Revised First Draft script of the
TWIN PEAKS pilot. For the most part, it's pretty much as it ended up
on the TV screen (no, the "extra material" for the European video
version is not in the script), though there are some interesting
differences:

(1) Some of the names are different:

    Broadcast version            Script version

    Harry Truman                 Dan Steadman
    Tommy "Hawk" Hill            Bernie Hill (Black, not Amerind)
    Jocelyn ("Josie") Packard    Giovanna ("Jo") Pasqualini Packard
    Ronnette Pulaski             Sharon Pulaski

(2) It's set in November, rather than February.

(3) The "magnificent trees" were Ponderosa Pines rather than Douglas
    Firs.

(4) Lucy isn't -- at least as evidence by her dialogue -- the lovable
    ditz she is in the series. Her wonderful opening dialogue concerning
    the which telephone she's putting Pete's call through to is not in
    the script (and the table full of doughnuts at the end is not there).

(5) The scene of Audrey telling the Norwegians about Laura's death is
    not in the script. The Norwegians find out simply by hearing news
    reports.

(6) The train boxcar was a cave, though the various "props" (the mound
    of dirt, the "Fire, walk with me" note, etc.) were all there.

(7) An early version of the Bookhouse appears as a cafe behind the
    Roadhouse called "Hemingway's". No evidence in the script that its
    a meeting place for a secret society, though.

(8) There's no Doctor Jacoby anywhere in the script. There *is* the
    scene of Cooper and Dan/Harry in the elevator with the One-Armed Man
    stopping at a floor where someone is telling a nurse a joke, though.

(9) The script ends with the shot of the mysterious figure digging out
    the necklace, though it's not done as part of a vision of Sarah
    Palmer's.

For those in the Boston area who are interested in a copy of the script,
it can be had at Pix Posters, which is across the hall from the Million
Year Picnic at 99 Mount Auburn St. in Harvard Square. They also have some
other David Lynch scripts, including BLUE VELVET and WILD AT HEART, and
two unproduced scripts: ONE SALIVA BUBBLE (which Lynch intended to do
after BLUE VELVET, starring Steve Martin and Martin Short, but it got
caught in the bankruptcy of the DeLaurentiis Entertainment Group), co-
written by Mark Frost, and RONNIE ROCKET OR: THE ABSURD MYSTERY OF THE
STRANGE FORCES OF EXISTENCE.

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(Pardon me if this was asked before; I've just come on the group and I
 read 200 back messages and didn't see it.)

Laura Palmer and Madelyne Whats-her-face are obviously both played by
the same actress. (It *is* obvious, isn't it?)

Well Laura's a blonde and Madelyne's a brunette. Which one's the wig?
Just curious.
---------- Ryan Mathews

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|W|ell, note that Laura has dark roots . . .
`-' <_Jym_>

How did Bernie get away from the Bookhouse boys and how did Leo get hold of him?
Note that I do not ask *why?* That seems to be fruitless on this show.
I suppose *how* is just as bad...



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In article <JYM.90Sep3215250@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >|W|ell, note that Laura has dark roots . . .

And we all know how tricky it is to die those roots dark without ruining
the natural blond color of the rest of the hair... Isabella Rossellini in
Wild at Heart also manages to do it.
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In the most recently aired episode, we see a police department
artist sketching killer Bob from Mrs. Palmer's description.
That cleared something up for me, because I had never quite
been sure who had drawn that picture:  remember that in Cooper's
report to HST and Lucy on his dream, he says that Hawk drew
a picture of Bob.  Obviously that was an event IN the dream 
becuase Cooper hasn't had time to see Hawk yet.  I don't
remember ever seeing any drawing of Bob in the dream, though,
so why was it mentioned?

In addition, we were told that Lucy and HST were in the dream,
but we never saw that.  A script/continuity problem?  (i.e.,
the breakfast scene was filmed before the dream sequence.)

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I'd also like to know if this can be done.

Jeff Luck
CES Systems Office
Penn State                       These opinions blah, blah....

> >You are taking TP too seriously.  I think Lynch/Frost want us to see
> >the correlation between TP and soaps._Invitation to Love_ is
> >inviting us to make the connection, especially with all the
> >similarities between the plot of TP and the action in IL.
> >bcp
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bruce Christian Paul       "The race that controlled the past,
> >bcp1@gargoyle.uchicago.educontrols the living present and,
> >therefore, the future."
> >- a sound bite from a Public Enemy song.


I think even in parody of evening soaps, TP stands out as a true piece of
cinematic (sp?) art.  It is hilarious in its satire, (The very dramatic hooting
of the owl, that finished last weeks episode [where was the stoplight?!?]) but
I can see no comparison to the previously mentioned Dallas, Falcon Crest, et al.
What similarity do you see between the action in TP and IL?


Love and chocolate bunnies, (Snowshoe?)
gWEN
 Gwendolynn
 eclipse@oxy.edu

Silly is a State of Mind, Stupid is a Way of Life.

In article <XZTVo2w163w@darkside.com>, user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
> > I noticed in last night's (9/1) episode a couple of Xeroxed copies of a
> > sign saying "SAY N0 TO GHOSTWOOD"

On the wall behind these is the menu of other juicy tidbits.
The ones most unique to Peaks are:

    Bark Burger
    Douglas Fir Burger
    Lumberjack Pancake Stack
    Woodcutters Combo Breakfast

OK, who has recipes for these goodies?  I wanna break out
the barbecue and roast some bark.


------------------
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Raveling@unify.com

In article <15095@shlump.nac.dec.com>, travis@zimbra.enet.dec.com (Ward
C. Travis) writes:
> > 
> > 1) How many people think Audrey just discovered that there is a
> > connection between her father and Leo?

Last night I noticed something relating to this that says
sometimes it DOES pay to keep a sharp eye peeled for trivia.

Remember the stuffed squirrel I mentioned that's on Ben's
desk?  In a photo that my wife took of Leo's living room,
showing the still-broken window that he was shot through,
the picture shows a ceramic squirrel on the TV that's nearly
a twin of Ben's stuffed squirrel.  My interpretation is that
these 2 squirrels were deliberate plants that might have served
as clues VERY early in the series to signify the connection
between Ben & Leo. It just takes a razor sharp eye to spot them.
Maybe also a razor sharp brain to distinguish the squirrels from
the red herring.

BTW, broken glass from the window was still lying on the TV
when we saw the set.  When they shot that scene, they DID shoot
through the window.  The projectile wasn't a normal bullet, but
it wasn't a blank either.


------------------
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Raveling@unify.com

In article <516@adimail.UUCP> tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) writes:
> >How did Bernie get away from the Bookhouse boys and how did Leo get hold of him?
As I recall.....As Leo was standing over the dead body at the river,
he mentioned that Bernie had paid bail, and gotten out of jail.  Hope that
helps.




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In article <5314.26e297b3@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mdyj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> > In article <5268.26dd4a9a@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mdyj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
> > writes:
> > 
>> > > 
>> > > What is Cooper's full name?
>> > > -Shazgar
> > 
> > I wish I knew too! Please, does anyone know? (I am posting sideways from
> > Europe and have little access to American media, except for footage of
> > Iraqi hostages). Thanks!
> > 
> > - Gar

Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.

Hi,

    I've tried to read all postings, but field work has made me miss some.
I once had a minor interest in forensic geology (!); and, as a kid, I tried
lifting fingerprints from all kinds of materials around the house.  Seems to
me that 'cellophane' type materials yielded decent prints, though the memories
are faded.  In one episode (I've gotten them all mixed up!), Leo (I think) &
Ben (?) are discussing the body of Bernie Renault (?!) and Ben drops the
wrapper of his cigar right there next to the body.
   Has this been discussed?  Is it assumed that the prints will be weathered
away by the time the body is found?  Does the cigar brand not help anyone
investigating?  Does the high runoff during frequent rainstorms in the
Pacific Northwest guarantee that criminals can be so careless?  Is Ben
over-confident in the crime?  Are any of these questions relevant?  :-)
   If this has been taken care of, would someone give a brief summary of the
resolution (and accept my apologies for wasting your time)?  Thanks in advance.

                                                   -Larry
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                                         - ROBERT E. LEE

In article <1990Sep4.221235.32958@eagle.wesleyan.edu> hweibel@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >Here is a list of all the people we have confirmed that Laura has done the
> >nasty with:
> >
> >- Bobby Briggs, boyfriend
> >- James Hurley, secret lover
> >- Dr. Lawrence Jacoby, quack earns his pay
> >- Ben Horne, smell that perfume

Not confirmed, but highly probable.

> >- Leland Palmer, how 'bout that casket?

Not confirmed, probable if you read a lot into certain lines.

After this, your list becomes ridiculous.  I assume you were using the
word "confirmed" in an ironic fashion?

Although actually...

> >- Leo Johnson, Soap Man
> >- Jacques Renault, Bite ze boollett, Baaabee.

These two are probable.  But the rest are just plain silly...

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Here is a list of all the people we have confirmed that Laura has done the
nasty with:

- Bobby Briggs, boyfriend
- James Hurley, secret lover
- Dr. Lawrence Jacoby, quack earns his pay
- Ben Horne, smell that perfume
- Leland Palmer, how 'bout that casket?
- Jerry Horne, was that brie he was eating?
- Johnny Horne, talk about private tutoring!
- Leo Johnson, Soap Man
- Jacques Renault, Bite ze boollett, Baaabee.
- Joey Paulson, he TOOK Laura to James
- Hank Jennings, met Laura before going to jail
- Jocelyn Packard, just a hunch

If you can add to this list, please post.

Did anyone catch David Lynch on The Tonight Show?  Leno and he seemed
to have nothing at all to say to each other, save for some
discussion on the finer points of milkshake makers and a discussion
about black velvet paintings (which Lynch, surprise! loves).

Atleast if it had been Carson, Lynch and Ed McMahon could have interacted
(a Lynch-esque character if there ever was one - a professional
second-banana and alcoholic who feels compelled to send mail to
every family in America).

That's two strikes for TP-people and the NBC Latenight lineup, what with
Kyle McLachlan's lackluster appearance on Letterman earlier this summer.

In short, don't bother trying to track down a videotape of the show -
you didn't miss anything.

- Dan
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couldn't get up.  He had to get up.  He must get up...That terrible pain, like 
swords of fire, jabbing, slitting, cutting into his stomach, and especially his
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 Recently, the actress who plays Lucy was on an evening radio talk show
 here in columbus, ohio. In one hour, she received only several calls.
 First, my brother called and asked if she knew anything about
 the TP products coming out in about a month. She replied, "I just
 know that twin peaks products are coming out in a month."
 Of the remaining calls, the most notable were:
      "Now when is this coming to columbus?"
      (the host then explained it wasn't a film)
      "Were you on Moonlighting?"
      (she cleared up that idiotic confusion)
 
I am new to this board and thus haven't read the past 500 or so messages,
 but has or can anyone discuss(ed) the "gum" in the dream??

-L.p.P.

After watching the repeats of the first 6 hours of Twin Peaks, I
have a theory that may explain many of the clues, and may explain
Laura's Murder.  Those who want to develop their own theories should     
skip the following:





















It is pretty obvious throughout the series that Laura is suffering
from a multiple personality disorder.  This may have been brought
on by an incestuous relationship with her father.  At least 3 distinct
personalities are present.  The good, sweet Laura who seems to help 
everyone; Laura the prostitute and drug user; and the key to this
theory, Laura the psychotic killer personified as Bob.  I believe that
Laura, having taken on the Bob personality a year ago murdered
Theresa Banks, and planned to murder Ronnette on the aniversary of
the first murder.

However, Laura ended up choosing herself as her next victim, and 
commited suicide.  Her father found her dead and wanted to hide the
incestuous relationship that he knew drove her to death, so wrapped
her body in plastic to make it look like a murder.

The multiple personalities are evident in the pilot if you compare
the Laura talking to James when she gave him the heart to the one
on Jacoby's tape.  Also, James goes into a long spiel to Donna how
Laura was a totally different person, and how on the night that she died
she was Laura again.  

In the Dream Sequence, the words to Mikes poem are In the darkness of
future paths, the magician longs to see, ONE CHANCE OUT BETWEEN TWO
WORLDS, FIRE WALK WITH ME.  This could mean that Laura saw the darkness
that would be her future life because of her actions and saw the one chance
out as her suicide.  The bloody note could be a suicide note.

Also in the dream, we see Mike realizing his evil, and learn that he cut
off his own arm then killed the evil Bob.  The dream Laura says that
sometime she feels like she knows Laura, but then her arms bend back.     
Maybe this shows her helplessnes to stop herself from assuming other
personalities.

Bob crouching at the Bed in the dream and in Mrs. Palmers vision would
seem to indicate that Bob was getting ready to attack Laura, or to
take her over.  Cooper thinks that the correct interpretation to the
dream will solve the murder.

The Invitation to Love cut aways ,if they are clues, indicate a suicide
theme and good and evil played by the same actress.

As for Leland, he seems to be acting pretty strangely.  Maybe his guilt
over his Incest is driving him crazy.  Especially if he blames himself
for Laura's death.  If he knows that Laura killed herself, this would
explain the contempt he seems to show to Sara when she tells Hawk about
her visions.  He thinks that her visions are nonsense.

> > And we all know how tricky it is to die those roots dark without ruining
> > the natural blond color of the rest of the hair... Isabella Rossellini in
> > Wild at Heart also manages to do it.

An article about Wild at Heart in Premiere magazine said that Isabella
Rossellini was wearing a wig and false (large) eyebrows too.

owen_d_beckley@att.com

In article <109138@tiger.oxy.edu> eclipse@oxy.edu (Lynn Alyn Tanner) writes:
> >I think even in parody of evening soaps, TP stands out as a true piece of
> >cinematic (sp?) art.  It is hilarious in its satire, (The very
> >dramatic hooting of the owl, that finished last weeks episode [where
> >was the stoplight?!?]) but I can see no comparison to the previously
> >mentioned Dallas, Falcon Crest, et al.  What similarity do you see
> >between the action in TP and IL? 

The similarities between IL an TP are obvious: Jade and Emerald and
the attempted suicide (Nadine seems to be an avid fan of IL).  I am
not saying, there is any show which has the depth and/or vision of TP;
but it cannot be denied, there are some definate similatities in the
structue of TP and soaps. It is a sad fact, the pinhead network execs
use the same structures over and over again in trying to make hit
shows.  I think, Lynch/Frost are trying to point this out by making
something which can't really be categorized in any existing structure.
No, it is not a soap opera, though it kinda looks like one.  No, it is
not a made for TV movie or mini-series, though it kinda looks like
one.  No, it is not a sit-com, though it is pretty funny.  What is it?
It doesn't really matter; like Lynch himself, it is unique and should
be treasured just because it is good(great).

I also wanted to point out, TP is not a cinematic masterpiece.  TP is
a television masterpiece.  It has been pointed out to me, much of the
neatest parts of TP can only be done on television.  The set-ups for
many of the scenes rewuire many takes and camera shots that could only
be done on television.  Some specific examples: the scene in the
forest where Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Dr. Hayward, come into frame
like Mt. Rushmore and the scene in the cabin where the chip comes out
of the kookoo clock ( I understand it took 25 takes to get the chip to
roll the right way).

bcp

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> >
> >OK, who has recipes for these goodies?  I wanna break out
> >the barbecue and roast some bark.
> >
> >
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> >Paul Raveling
> >Raveling@unify.com

If you have a hankering for some pork products, shouldn't you be
posting this to alt.tv.simpsons instead?

-- Steve Hanson - FERMILAB, Batavia, Il. (708)840-8043 (708)840-4805 I've got a hankering for some pork products!