Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

In this weeks SF Chronicle tv guide is an entry for TP. the 
blub says..


Coop and Truman discover the secret of the black lodge, while
the town gathers for the Miss TP contest.


Stefan (X) nafetS

Well, since the evil villains at ABC have deemed it appropriate to
broadcast the 'finale' (whatever the hell /that/ means) of TP sometime
in the year 2000 (well, that's what it seems like), could some kind soul
please post the tp timeline for the entire second season?

much obliged,

dave.

**********

the owls were /never/ what they seemed. i think they're chickens.

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> > In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) 
> > 
>> > >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
>> > >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
> > 
> > So why the hell are you posting in alt.tv.twin-peaks?
> > 
Because there's no Quantum Leap or Back to the Future newsgroup!  :)
 
THAT'S why!  :)
 
-Lazer (Co-Sysop L/A Blues BBS (207) 777-3465 with Apple ][, IBM, and Mac
        files!  Also FREE access to this and other newsgroups!)

dawson@epps.kodak.com (Keith Dawson) writes:

>From the Cribsheet to TP Resources:

> >  S5. Address of "the right person" in Fox Network --
> >      Peter Chernin, President, Fox Entertainment Group
> >      10201 W. Pico Blvd., Executive Bldg. 88 Suite 336
> >      Los Angeles, CA. 90035
> >      (213) 203-3377


I just called the number and got someone's answering machine, and it
wasn't Mr. Chernin's.  I don't have a correct phone number, but this
one apparently isn't it.

I did call Fox Broadcasting, and the woman was unable to give me a
number to call.  She did inform me that Twin Peaks isn't a Fox show. :-)

--Pete

The handshakings seemed to occur those who ARE in
some way 'gifted.'   As for the lady in the diner
she is just one of those 'gifted' citizens in TP.

That black hole with 'snow' is the remains of Briggs
and Coop's fire (the portal BOB is standing over).

Can anyone verify, using the petroglyph and map, that
there is something peculiar about the Great Northern.

In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> >
> > There's been complaining that the old feeling of dread is
> >gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
> >killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
> >feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as

It's amazing how effective the TP Standard Scary Ending thing is:
The wind blowing the pines, the repeated 3-note musical motif,
clouds racing across the moon... We'd all be on the edge of our
seats if they played this at the end of Mr. Robert's Neighborhood!
 
> >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
> >that annie would be the queen,

This scene made me think: Was the Big Guy warning Cooper to protect
Annie, or could he have been trying to warn him that she might not be
what she seems?  Is it possible that her suicide attempt was _not_
unsuccessful, and that she may be reservations agent for the Black Lodge?
I think he better keep an eye on his American Express card.

> >you just knew BOB was going to 
> >put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
> >appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?

Looked like he was emerging from a tree.  Must be a Bud Man. (sorry!)
I thought everyone knew he's the ultimate Soul Man!

> > And what's with the shakes???

Looks like Coop & Pete better switch to deep black decaf.

> >Bud

jimbo ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford)

Can someone who knows the address of ABC executives in charge of
programming please mail them to me.  I know I've read it on the net
before but I don't have the time to look through all 3000+ postings.  I
really want to let someone at ABC know what their doing.  Thanks in
advance.

In article <63C6988020207F52@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >they will accept you"?  How do two planets "meet"?  If this means lining up,
> >then lining up with *what*?  And whatever "meet"ing means, wouldn't it happen
> >often enough that there would have to be some reason for this particular
> >"meeting" to be the correct one?

I assume when he said 'meet,' he meant lining up, paralleling,
or even ECLIPSING the other from earth's perspective (My idea
on the *Black Box* which was downplayed).
On the Contrary, it is very rare that planets are in synch;
due to their distances from the sun (i.e. Saturn moves faster than
Jupiter limiting the chance of them being in synch).

In article <3463@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >
> >Wrt the coffee //syrup controversy after rhte dishes crashed in the
> >RR, I'm going to have to come down on the coffee side of the fence (or what-
> >ever.)  Just before they cut to the slo-mo view of the liquid in question, 
> >they show a from above shot of the fallen dishes, & there is a cup filled with
> >a black liquid which is just spilling over the rim (barely).  Since syrup does
> >not usually come in a cup, I'd have to say this was probably coffee.
> >
> >Its viscosity is explained away ny the fact that it was being shown in
> >slow-motion close-up, so ti only *seemde* viscous.
> >
> >Oh-by-the-way, re that final spooky scene in the woods.  You remember
> >of course that just before Bob's right arm appeasred, a spot of light shows up
> >towards the left of the frame?  Well, *i* think this was just the sp[otlight 
> >that they used to highlight Bob's arm.  I mean, in most of Coop's visions a
> >mystical spotlight shows up to highlight whocver is important.  Remember, a
> >spotlight appeared when Bob/Leland killed Maddie, too.  I'll bet that someibne
> >with a good tv & vcr could fing Bob's arm's shadow in that pool of lihgt if 
> >he (//she) looked closely enough.
> >
> >I *still* think that metal block is plutonium.  (:-])
> >

What he said.  Only spelled right.  

And not the "plutonium".  I hold with those who fancy "another box".  Them
flimsy wooden panels aren't, I think, strong enough to shield one from
plutonium, and there are no indications that they were "lead-lined" on
any other such comic-book trick.  (E.g: Andrew smashing one (w no signs 
of metal)).

Even if they were lead-lined, I think you'd need a significant thickness
before you were safe from a hefty chunk of plutonium.

Still it is possible, I admit, given the "reality static" of television that
might hide lead lining, or make it stronger than it should be.

I would have taken a crowbar to that damn box a long time along.  That box 
is, I think, a running gag that will never be explained.  Well, it *would* be 
a running gag if it were funny, and it would be explained if the show were to
be renewed.

Here's a topic for mooting: What "threads" do you think will be cleared up
during the season finale, and which do you think will be left dangling?

My vote:

Cleared Up
------------
Miss Twin Peaks (obviously)
Windom Earle
Leo Johnson's condition
Annie Blackburne (RIP, if you get my drift)
The Lucy and Andy Show (say G'bye to Dick)
Lana

Left Dangling
--------------
The Eckard Box
Ghostwood/Pine Weasel
Ben's "conversion" (scam or genuine?)
The Ben/Eileen Hayward connection
James Hurley Discovers America
The Nadine/Ed/Norma mess
The "Creamed Corn" kid, and his nana



On the Cusp - (i.e. cliff-hung)
-------------------------------
The Black Lodge


Wild speculation: We will see Laura Palmer during this episode, maybe 
reprising her WILD AT HEART role as the Good Witch of the North(west).
(Actually, probably in spirit/vision form.)
-- =Malcolm Austin================================================================ maus@fid.morgan.com | I have discovered a remarkable quotation for this #include <disclaimer.h>| .sig, but this space is too small to contain it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <1991Apr24.124659@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >Of course a few writers said exactly that at the end of
> >the first season.  I think there's plenty of room for more.
> >Paul Raveling
> >Raveling@Unify.com

a.t.tp is such a great and fun forum for brainstorming and exchanging ideas.
It is here that we uncover continuity errors, we invent our own storylines,
and present our theories. There is definitely enough material and creative 
writing talent for several seasons. The show is "target rich" in colorful
characters. In fact, some characters might even hold their own shows (remember
Benson from Soap). Here are a few ideas:

1. Albert Rosenfeld: Medical Examiner
2. Jacoby and Hayward M.D.
3. John's Angels
4. I Love Lucy Too
5. Lives of the Dead but Famous (hosted by Dick Tremaine)
6. T.P. Law (headed by Atty. Jerry Horne)


Louie

I caught a report at the tail end of a CNN Headline News segment (in the
Showbiz part) that was about Twin Peaks.

CNN reports that some European producers have contacted ABC about picking
up the cancelled Twin Peaks.  The report was very obscure so I can't give
any details beyond what I just stated.  The report gave the impression
that ABC was very receptive to this request (why else would it beon CNN?)

I saw this report on CNN not more than one hour ago.

Anyone got any further details on this?

Ok, I just saw the report on CNN Headline News again (in the Hollywood
Minute segment).  Here's a direct quote that summarizes the report:

"Certain European broadcast entities have contacted the distributors
 of Twin Peaks to keep the show alive".

There it is - "Hot off the wire"

As per Carel Struckyen's casting in the upcoming ADDAMS FAMILY movie:



"Agent Cooper ... You rang?"


=-)


                               - Sasha

In article <91114.105539JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET> JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET writes:
> >Good spot of the right hand.  Which arm was the one-armed man missing?
> >(If thy right arm offend thee, cut if off!?)
> > 

No, he's missing the left arm

Perhaps he's Lyxdislik?

-Matt
....
...
..
.

CNN reported tonight (4/24) that "talks are underway" between
Lynch/Frost and "several European distributors" who are interested
in keeping a first-run TP series alive.

Any more info on this from our netters with "insider" contacts???

-- ================================================================= Delia Cioffi: -- University of Houston: cioffi@menudo.uh.edu -- Stanford University: cioffi@psych.stanford.edu =================================================================

bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM (Bradford H Needham) writes:

> >Seriously, that's my bet for the true nature of the metal block.  It fits a
> >couple of requirements:
> >1) The box contents must be valuable -- a gift from Eckhart in return for
> >the delivery of Josie to him.
> >Uranium or plutonium is valuable.

I think a block of plutonium that size would be suspiciously HEAVY.
Probably similar in weight to lead.  When the box was dropped during
all of the fooling around, it seemed to make a very light, insignificant
sound when it fell, almost as if it were a cigar box.

I presume the material is of extra-terrestrial origin...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- <Greg Askew uunet!uupsi!npri6!talos!greg_a + <NPRI - Alexandria, VA 22314 * 703.683.9090 * VMS 5.4-2 + =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

This may have been so obvious that no one noticed it, or I missed someone
making this comment - but did anyone notice the shapes of the two individuals
on the Owl Cave petroglyph?  One is REAL tall and one is REAL small....

hmm......


-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lee michaell@garfield.cs.wisc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

DID ANYONE BESIDES ME THINK THAT BEFORE THE TUNNEL TURNED INTO A CEILING TILE,
IT BRIEFLY TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE?  (APOLOGY IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN
DISCUSSED.)

JAMES DOLAN                                      V088KJ6A@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In the Norwegian newspaper VG, Kyle MacLachlan states:

   - ABC will decide in MAY if Twin Peaks is to continue!

The interview with KM was about the DOORS film, and was printed in VG april 25.
this year.

Is there still hope that TP is to continue.  I realy hope so, because I
enjoy the show very much.

KEEP UP THE GOOD AND IMPORTANT JOB OF "HAUNTING" ABC UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO
KEEP THE SHOW ON THE AIR !!!!

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Odd-Inge Larsen UNIVERSITY of TROMSOE NORWAY email: oddinge@stud.cs.uit.no -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <2041@talos.npri.com>, greg_a@talos.npri.com (Greg Askew) writes:
> > bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM (Bradford H Needham) writes:
> > 
>> >>Seriously, that's my bet for the true nature of the metal block.  It fits a
>> >>couple of requirements:
>> >>1) The box contents must be valuable -- a gift from Eckhart in return for
>> >>the delivery of Josie to him.
>> >>Uranium or plutonium is valuable.
> > 
> > I think a block of plutonium that size would be suspiciously HEAVY.
> > Probably similar in weight to lead.  When the box was dropped during
> > all of the fooling around, it seemed to make a very light, insignificant
> > sound when it fell, almost as if it were a cigar box.
> > 
> > I presume the material is of extra-terrestrial origin...

Maybe its Kryptonite.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

Target: Ultra Slim - Fast

What to do:

Buy a 15 oz can of Ultra Slim - Fast, Chocolate Royale (The powdered
stuff, not the pre-mix). Write your name, city, and state in thick,
black marker ON THE LABEL, not the top. We're gonna pull those off (the
tops, that is).

Send the can, so it arrives by May 6th, to:

Nathaniel Durham
2019 K Pepperstone Place
Greensboro, NC 27406
919/294-1561

Nate is going to take all those cans, and get in the Guiness Book for
the World's Largest Diet Shake. This will be a well-covered media event,
and we'll tell 'em again that if they sponsor, we'll buy.

Twin Peaks is carrying the excess baggage of Nielsen stupidity.

Diet time!

JC

PS. Distribute this message as widely as possible ASAP, and please,
don't shorten or modify it. Thanks.

In article <91114.105539JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET> JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET writes:
> >Good spot of the right hand.  Which arm was the one-armed man missing?
> >(If thy right arm offend thee, cut if off!?)
> > 

"Cursed is the man who has fallen from the grace of God.
 May his right arm wither and
 his right eye lose its sight."

- The Omen

Too bad it's Mike's left arm and Nadine's left eye.

Yah I know... Mike's arm didn't wither.

"When the Jews return to Zion           -well... is Annie the nun jewish?
and a comet fills the sky       -that  moon we keep seeing
 and the Holy Roman Empire rises        -Pine weasel campaign
then you and I must die.        -WE and Cooper die at the end

In article <91114.105539JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET> JOANNE@MAINE.BITNET writes:
> >Good spot of the right hand.  Which arm was the one-armed man missing?
> >(If thy right arm offend thee, cut if off!?)
> > 

whilst reading the 200+ articles i have in here, all i can think 
is the hokey-pokey...
you put your right arm in, you put your right arm out
you put your right arm in and you shake it all about...

......
 jesensky@wpi.wpi.edu...
   
   "i think of all the good things that we have left undone"  --roger waters
...............................................................................

In article <jms.4171@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:

> >I think that as various people get closer to the secret, the power of the
> >Lodges is increasing in anticipation of direct contact.  Maybe the people
> >whose hands are shaking are going to be drawn to one lodge or another to
> >take part in the confrontation.  Or maybe they've even been there once
> >before and we just haven't seen the scars yet.  Major Briggs seemed to be
> >feeling his scar just before Windom appeared.  And among real-life UFO
> >abductees, there's often a feeling of being "programmed" to take part in
> >some future event.  Maybe the "shakes" are a symptom that the program is
> >being triggered.
> >

this triggered a thought in me... what is the town of twin
peaks is jsut a big game of 'populus', with coop and we being 
the little guys in the game who carry the papal magnets...
for the finale, all the buildings in twin peaks with disappear
and the white and black lodges can have armageddon...

(i guess i should go get some sleep now... sorry...)
.....

 jesensky@wpi.wpi.edu...
   
   "i think of all the good things that we have left undone"  --roger waters
...............................................................................

This started as an e-mail message that bounced.  My apologies if this
is unnecessary net-clutter:

In response to: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)... 

You recently wrote:

   I'd say someone screwed up again.  Or actually just followed their normal
   practice of putting the things together about three weeks in advance.  But
   I'd call that screwing up.  In this age of computers, there is NO
   conceivable excuse in my philosophy for such a long lead time.

Yes, we all know about how wonderful computers are.  In fact, most
large newspapers have been in the "age of computers" since the mid to
late 1970's, which is when their systems date from.  Having spent a
number of years working for a company (Atex) that built many of those
systems and consequently visited a number of newspaper sites, I can
offer a few words of explanation, which may not count as an excuse to
you.  Do these TV listings have color pages?  Those neat graphic
prime-time-at-a-glance pages that show a whole evening?  With the
composition languages available on the older publishing systems, TV
listings are complicated enough to do that they are actually laid out
by hand at many papers, making the TV page in a daily, along with the
comics, one of the few pages that are not automated.  Having color
requires a special print run when the presses aren't being used for
the daily spewing out of normal pages on deadline.  Either that or all
the color is sent out and done somewhere else, along with the
advertising inserts and the comic pages.

Why don't they do something about this?  It's just not cost effective.
If only a tiny percentage of what goes into those listings is likely
to change in a week or two, and those changes can be corrected in a
daily paper for the evening in question (not that it always is,
granted), newspapers can't justify the expense of tying up their
systems (or their composing rooms) which are on deadline for other
issues of the paper in order to avoid those few discrepancies.

Why don't they modernize their systems?  Well, they're starting to,
but not everything they need is there yet, and they're very squeezed
for advertising revenue, being in competition with CNN and all, so
they're holding off, or putting their efforts into using their
computers to direct their advertising into specific zones of the area
they serve, etc., or putting in more highly designed, early-run pages
(like the Food Section) to help them compete with magazines.

I don't know whether this is an excuse or not, but I hope it explains
it.

Barb Miller

Last night (4/24/91) CNN Headline reported that because of the popularity
of Twin Peaks outside the US a number of European backers were talking
with the shows producers about funding  additional episodes.

No mention of where the new show would be distributed.
Who knows, we may be relying on posts from outside the States for
information on next seasons developments.
So don't forget those spoilers.  :-)

COOP DU JOUR

:wq
:q
:wq

In article <1991Apr25.150058.8650@wpi.WPI.EDU> jesensky@wpi.WPI.EDU (xine) writes:
   this triggered a thought in me... what is the town of twin
   peaks is jsut a big game of 'populus', with coop and we being 
   the little guys in the game who carry the papal magnets...

I've never heard of this game, but...I didn't realize the pope had his
own magnets?  This sounds interesting, but we haven't seen any magnetic
manifestations so far in Twin Peaks, have we?

Muffy

In article <1991Apr25.150058.8650@wpi.WPI.EDU> jesensky@wpi.WPI.EDU (xine) writes:
> >In article <jms.4171@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:

> >this triggered a thought in me... what is the town of twin
> >peaks is jsut a big game of 'populus', with coop and we being 
> >the little guys in the game who carry the papal magnets...
> >for the finale, all the buildings in twin peaks with disappear
> >and the white and black lodges can have armageddon...

What th' heck is populus?  What are the papal magnets? ("magnates"?)
Please explain, this sounds interesting.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

I think that Killer BOB is still alive and that he just spent time in the black
lodge to become all powerful.  It seems to me that the last time Jupiter and
Saturn aligned, maybe sometime during Leland's childhood, Bob entered the black
lodge.  While in the lodge he learned all its secrets and gained many powers.

In article <1991Apr19.215755.1959@milton.u.washington.edu>, twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
|> By the way, I thought for the first time that Wheeler was rather 
|> charming.  The wry expression on his face and the way he rolled 
|> his eyes as Audrey marched with determination into the plane 
|> made me laugh.  
|> 
|> It reminded me of a scene from the movie _Sweet Bird of Youth_ when 
|> the aging actress insists that her young lover (Paul Newman) stay 
|> inside on a lovely summer afternoon and make love.  Newman wore a 
|> haunted look suggesting a little boy who'd MUCH rather go outside 
|> and ride his bike. 

For a completely different character portrait by the actor who plays
J. J. Wheeler check out the movie 'Dead Calm' (I'm not sure it is
available on video yet).  He has real screen presence.  I bet we'll be
seeing a lot more of Billy Zane in the future (not necessarily on TP :-)

- Morrow
-- _ _ __ _ __ (/_ / (/ \/ \ _ __ __ ____ _ __ (/ _ __ _) / / . / )_(_)_/ (_/ (_(_) (_(_( /___(_)_/ )_(_) ( ( ( _)

In <72976@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v088kj6a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (James D Dolan) writes:

> >DID ANYONE BESIDES ME THINK THAT BEFORE THE TUNNEL TURNED INTO A CEILING TILE,
> >IT BRIEFLY TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE?  (APOLOGY IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN
> >DISCUSSED.)

> >JAMES DOLAN                                      V088KJ6A@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU

I thought it was a wormhole, ala Eraserhead.  It definitely had Eraserhead
style.

sj

PS.  One of my favorite effects of the whole series.  The "Daddy" voice
     was so eerie.

AUDREY HORNE IS IN TERRIBLE DANGER!

The hand-shaking was, as speculated, BOB's attempt to enter hosts.  The woman
in the diner resisted.  Coop resisted, of course.  The last hand to shake
was... Pete Martell's!

BOB is now in Pete! and Tawdry Audrey is with him!  Alone!  At Pearl Lakes,
Center of Evil!  Now he can REALLY say... "She's dead.  Wrapped in plastic."

Where is MIKE?  MIKE has taken the incredible risk of taking the host of...
Ben Horne!

Evidence:
Last hand to shake was Pete's - BOB was successful (third time's the charm).
Pete saw Josie in the wood, an unusual happening for the usually non-
supernatural guy that he is.
Audrey and Pete are going to Pearl Lakes, not a nice place, in general.
Ben Horne turned around in shock at... Josie in the wooden wall of the Great 
Northern!
Ben Horne is trying to be good, i.e. truthful, with Donna, much as it upsets 
Eileen.
Coop and J. J. Wheeler discussing Audrey and Annie in front of the fire - 
signifying great evil involvement in the lives of Audrey and Annie 
soon.

Other thoughts:
Annie - A mystery.  Could be evil, sent to distract Cooper from his duty of
rescuing Audrey.  Could be totally peripheral, but coincidentally acting for
the bad guys.  I'm going to have to guess the former.

Audrey - Not as easy a victim as Bob might think!

The Giant - As before, getting weaker... and weaker...

Major Briggs - Said "come in" to MIKE, but MIKE saw he was useless tied up and
stayed in Ben Horne (maybe?).

Windom Earle - Just a bad guy, possibly once inhabited by BOB, in Pittsburgh,
but he's now got an extra `e' and is no longer the `Owl in Dream' that the
anagram of his name suggests.

Lana - Just there to add confusion.

Shelly - There to win the beauty contest and get Windom Earle out of the way
by being saved by...

Leo!

Donna - Gosh, she's got to look happier.  The past several episodes she's had
this really grim, everybody is lying to me, I don't know who my father is, plus
Windom Earle tried to kill me, also I've lost my place as most-attractive-
woman-in-Twin-Peaks because of this stupid look which isn't making me any
happier, expression on her face.

Jupiter/Saturn conjunction and the whole 20 years thing: Seems to be very
consistent within itself (Nadine's regression/birth of Audrey, Laura, Maddie,
and especially Donna/etc.) but doens't fit in particularly with anything else.
I'm undecided.

One man's thoughts...

-=+=- Stephen Joseph Smith
      <sjsmith@cs.umd.edu>

In article <jms.4179@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
|> In article <1991Apr19.032041.8250@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes:
|> >
|> >I would hope that if another network picks it up, that at least it is a
|> >network like FOX or PBS, for I don't have cable, and it would kill me
|> >to know that Twin Peaks was being shown and I couldn't see it!
|> 
|> You think you've got problems?  I *have* cable, and don't get a single FOX
|> channel!  I asked the local cable company about it a long time ago, and
|> they said that they tried but couldn't get a clear signal.  Hell, I'd take
|> any signal at all, especially if it was Peaks!Maybe if I got all 30000 of
|> our hypothetical readers to write to them...

Can you say Direct Broadcast Satellite?  For only a few thousand (and a good
siting for a dish) I'll bet you could get Fox and quite a few other channels
as well (I'm don't know whether or not there is a Fox net feed or super-station
available and whether you would have to pay a monthly charge to descramble the
signal - post a message in rec.video.satellite if you are interested).  There
are some technical details to be concerned with (such as which satellites are
available to you in your part of the country, and on which bands - C, Ku, etc.
But if Cicely, Alaska (Northern Exposure) could receive network satellite feeds 
then most anyplace in the continental US shouldn't have to worry, right :-)

In the near future many alternatives to traditional broadcasting and cable will
ooze into the marketplace (including much less expensive direct broadcast
satellite methods) to pose challenges to both cable companies and traditional
broadcasters.  Maybe a healthy dose of competition is what your cable co.
needs.

- Morrow


-- _ _ __ _ __ (/_ / (/ \/ \ _ __ __ ____ _ __ (/ _ __ _) / / . / )_(_)_/ (_/ (_(_) (_(_( /___(_)_/ )_(_) ( ( ( _)

In article <99025@sgi.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
writes:
> >I noticed something while re-watching 2017 (the first one after the
> >hiatus).  In the recap for Diane that occurs before the opening, Cooper says:
> >
> >"Meanwhile, I find myself suffused with a vague sense of contentment,
> >a premonition of happiness.  I hope I will be ready when it comes."
> >
> >During this, they show the exact same scene in 2019 with Annie and
> >Cooper in the boat on the lake, then zoom in starting with Annie's
> >hand in the water, with the ducks swimming around, panning up towards
> >her face but stopping before they show her.
> >
> >I don't know if this means anything that we don't already know except
> >that they definitely film at least three shows in advance.
> >
> >sj
> >

Thanks for tracking this down. I was sure that I had seen that image before,
but didn't know which episode. I have had the same deju vu feeling about some
other images though examples escape me at this time.  I'm not talking about the
obvious ones like the ceiling fan and the horse. They are less dramatic.

Speaking of the ceiling fan, I flashed back to it during the scene in the attic
where Donna is checking out her birth certificate. There was a fan in the
background.  Doesn't bode well for Donna, does it.  She dodged a bullet with
Leland, but maybe BOB will get her after all.

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
> >What are the papal magnets? ("magnates"?)
> >Please explain, this sounds interesting.

I always wondered why the big hat.
Probably has an electromagnetic coil inside.

ObTP: Notice how Audrey is once again the Queen of Diamonds.
-- [rbj@uunet 1] stty sane unknown mode: sane

What will the fate of alt.tv.twin-peaks be? Will the group
continue until the June 10th final episode? 

Also, what about some discussion on the Coop autobiography?


Sally---
-- ========================================================================== ABANDON ALL HOPE, YOU WHO READ THIS! ||| sally@mica.berkeley.edu ||| Sally A. Wilson (With apologizes to Dante) ||| aka Francesca da Rimini

In article <63845@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> >
> > In article <24214@well.sf.ca.us> rsires@well.sf.ca.us (Ron Sires) writes:
> >
> >   Whatever Mike whispered to Bobby about Nadine's sexual prowess made a VERY
> >   big impression.  Can anyone speculate as to what he might have said?
> >
> >``Remember Steely Dan One!''
> >
> >-30-
> >Bob
> >
Aha! I detect a "Naked Lunch" fan! All TP fans should read it.
I wonder how many fans of the 'band' know the origin of the name?

A judicious use of controlled muscular strength might have salubrious effects
for both partners. However, on the whole, it would make me nervous to be on the
receiving end of such attentions. Don't forget what happened to Steely Dan
One...

-Rich

In article <3367@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
+In article <16584@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
+->Cattle Ranchers of the Sky [Aliens] have been branding people [etc.]
+
+You are truly brilliant.  I finally see the light:
+
+-The twangy guitar soundtrack
+-The big ranch among the pines
+-The clash between good and evil
+-The burning map
+-The three brothers (one often absent)
+-The patriarch, Ben
+
+dang-didda-lang-didda-lang-didda-lang.......
+
+it's...BONANZA!!
+
+With women and aliens, too!
+
+I can't wait for Hoss to show up and kick some owl butt!!
+
+jimbo

"It's beautiful.  Letter perfect."

"I don't know about the 'wait for Hoss to show up' part..."

When the Giant is warning COOP, if you check out the shadow his arms
cast, it looks like the swooping flight of an owl.


I like Annie, wish I could talk like that, but too much Mennonite
upbringing.
   Gentlemen please bring your cars to the ce-ment apron.
                                         Eldora announcer

From kelpie Thu Apr 25 14:54:02 1991
To: /s1/B/kelpie/.article
Subject: MISS Twin Peaks Contest


I was wondering why Shelly and Nadine (and perhaps Lana) are eligible
to enter a MISS Twin Peaks contest?

...Steve

In article <3107@maus.Morgan.COM> maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:
> >In article <3463@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
>> >>
>> >> I *still* think that metal block is plutonium.  (:-])
> >
> > I hold with those who fancy "another box".  [W]ooden panels aren't
> > ... strong enough to shield one from plutonium, and there are no
> > indications that they were "lead-lined" or any other ... trick.
> > Even if they were lead-lined, I think you'd need a significant
> > thickness before you were safe from a hefty chunk of plutonium.

No, definitely not plutonium.  A critical mass of plutonium is about
the size of an orange*, so a chunk of pure metal that size could not
exist.  Conceivably, it could be an alloy, but again, it would have to
be alloyed with something very light (eg, beryllium) to be light enough
to hold easily on one's fingertips;  plutonium is heavier than lead.
Also, there should be traces of greenish-yellowish oxide unless the
boxes were airtight and filled with, say, nitrogen.  The oxide alone
would kill them, since it is highly toxic, by the familiar heavy metal
poisoning effect.

*See _The Curve of Binding Energy_ by John McPhee; the author converses
with Ted Taylor about his design work, including amoung other things,
a series of experiments intended to establish the size of the smallest
possible nuclear device.  The exact answer is still classified.
-- Lum Johnson <lum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Yeah, yeah, ....

Just to let you guys know...
 
I STILL like Quantum Leap!  :)
 
[No...I DON'T have a death wish...]
 
-Lazer (co-sysop L/A Blues (207) 777-3465)

Hi.  I have a question... 
 
(Or two....)
 
When will we know DEFINATELY if Twin Peaks is cancelled (or picked up) by 
ABC?

April 18th spoilers included below...

============================

I want to see Laura Palmer come through the White Lodge portal which
corresponds to the Black Lodge portal BOB apparently came through.
I then want to see her confront and ultimately destroy BOB.  (Cooper
could be injured from the struggle during which he defeats Windom,
only to find himself apparently helpless in front of BOB, to be
saved at the last minute by Laura.  Homecoming queen _ex machina_.)

Once Laura's finished with BOB, *then* she can win Miss Twin Peaks.  

Or maybe just *wake up*, having confronted and defeated her abuser in
the dream world, and prepared to confront and defeat her real world
abuser, too.  Perhaps with the assistance of a newcomer to the town
with whom she seems to share a bond for no known reason - one Dale
Cooper...

Not that I think any of this will come to pass, mind you, but the
"Laura kills BOB" part especially would be great.  If the ending
turns out to be one of those "it was all a dream" things, it would
be great if the dream turned out to be Laura's rather than Cooper's
(as some people have expected.)  OR, remember that Laura and Cooper have
had the same dream once already (in _The Secret Diary_, Laura describes
having the same dream which Cooper has at the end of 1002.)  Perhaps
*the entire series* is such a shared dream, and the beautiful woman
for whom Cooper has a genuine affection and to whom he finally gets
to make love will be Laura.

This ending has the advantage of bringing back not only Sheryl Lee
but also, perhaps, Ray Wise and even Grace Zabriskie.  It has the
disadvantage of rendering any future "Twin Peaks" projects somewhat
moot. 

(Speaking of Grace - if Laura doesn't destroy BOB, how about Sarah?)

Ah well, six weeks four days and counting...

drjamez@lablues.UUCP (James Hussiere) writes:
 
> > Hi.  I have a question...
> >
> > (Or two....)
> >
> > When will we know DEFINATELY if Twin Peaks is cancelled (or picked up) by
> > ABC?
> >
> > From my understanding (a la USA Today, et al), TP will most likely be placed
> > into first run syndication (like Star Trek: The Next Generation) should ABC
> > make the moronic mistake of cancelling TP.  (Or possibily a basic cable
> > station will pick it up like USA Network or LifeTime.)
 
Sounds like LifeTime may be the Life Line of TP!  :)
 
You'll know DEFINATELY when someone finally stops giving the press the run
around.  No one is ever specific with them!
 
-Lazer (the Quantum Leap fan from Maine)

> >From: slv@cs.wisc.edu (Scott L. Vandenberg)
> >Subject: Re: GUM
> >An off-the-wall idea:  To Leland, the gum could be some sort of 
> >link back to his childhood, before he was possessed by Bob.  Perhaps
> >it's a gum he liked when he was young, and thus it brings back
It is obviously a gum he liked when he was young-- he told
us that it was his "most favorite gum in the world."

Rocky Giovinazzo

In a previous article, km46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Miller) says:

> >I think that the scene with Pete at the Great Northern was relatively
> >important.  In the scene prior to this one, we see that Ben is startled
> >by something or SOMEONE.  Next, flash to Pete in the lobby by a
> >fireplace talking about or perhaps TO Josie.  As he leaves the lobby, he
> >turns around and waves.  However, only one person is in the lobby, a man
> >who had not even been talking to Pete.  I belive that Pete and Ben have
> >seen Josie.
> >                    Ken

I thought this whole Pete talking to Josie scene was very confusing.  Ok, 
maybe Pete saw Josie and was talking with her.  But, why in the world didn't
he have reaction like Ben did in that scene with the 'shakes' music
when he turned around?  I mean, I don't think I would have this 
happy-go-lucky attitude that Pete was displaying.  Also, if he saw Josie,
why didn't he make a bigger deal out of it?  Like, tell some people or
something...  I honestly don't think Josie or someone would've told him
to be discreet about it.  I mean, if that were the case, he would have
been whispering to Josie rather than being as loud as he was.  I don't
dispute the fact that perhaps he was talking to Josie, but I just can't
understand his reaction to it, or the way he handled it.  Any ideas?

Keith
-- "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot. I couldn't stop thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit my foot off myself_." From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

Out of curiosity, I was just wondering if there was any particular order
that the list of quotes are arranged in.

Keith
-- "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot. I couldn't stop thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit my foot off myself_." From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

In article <1991Apr26.030003.15951@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes:
...
> >I thought this whole Pete talking to Josie scene was very confusing.  Ok, 
> >maybe Pete saw Josie and was talking with her.  But, why in the world didn't
..
> >happy-go-lucky attitude that Pete was displaying.  Also, if he saw Josie,
..
> >understand his reaction to it, or the way he handled it.  Any ideas?


    The only other explanation I could think up was that he was reciting
part of a poem about Josie. I remember him doing this in at least one scene
after her death. However, this doesn't explain his waving goodbye to a
wall.


    I suppose that the scene was to alert alert viewers to the fact that
Pete's one of the "gifted/damned." Also, perhaps to emphasize the nature of the
shaking hands epidemic as supernatural.

- Mark Cromwell

In article <6084@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
)In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
)
)>I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
)>Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
)
)So why the hell are you posting in alt.tv.twin-peaks?
)
obviously, WE have a newsgroup and THEY (fans of Q.L.) don't...
so let's not Flame Broil 'em til crispy...
Patrick says that he doesnt care for TWEEKS because its low in
the AC Neilson listings.  So, if Twin Peaks were popular enough, he'd like it.
Right, sure.  I see that!  Makes sense.  If everybody ELSE likes it, he'd
like it too.  Actually, Patrick, I am more PROUD to be a fan of Tweeks,
knowing that it is a "cult" series, appealing to the weird and bizarre
out there!  

-- *********************************************************************** * Danny Lieberman cmcl2!panix!dfl * * PO Box 3131 "Here's Leland!" * * NYC 10008-3131 USA THIS SPACE FOR SALE *

In article <0094790B.4F0F9700@aclcb.purdue.edu> kelley@aclcb.purdue.edu (Steve Kelley) writes:
)In article <1991Apr23.055511.16050@panix.uucp>, dfl@panix.uucp (Danny Lieberman) writes:
)>
)>THAT WAS the ABSOLUTE BEST CINEMA-WISE shot I found in the whole episode,
)>actually.  the blood/coffee drip-drip.  i don't think it means that ANNIE
)
)
)I liked it, but I liked the ending much better -- the fire ring with
)the reflection forming the image of an owl's left eye.
)
)And I really really like the misunderstood BOB theory.  If it isn't 
)like that, it should be.
)
)And I'll toss in my vote for the Log Lady to win, and demonstrate
)unmistakeably to WE why the queen is the most powerful piece.
)
)Steve

fair enough... MY VOTE is for LANA, because the contest is FIXED and Rigged,
the mayor practically said so himself !!  I want Lana to win because she
could die and it won't be such a big deal...

-- *********************************************************************** * Danny Lieberman cmcl2!panix!dfl * * PO Box 3131 "Here's Leland!" * * NYC 10008-3131 USA THIS SPACE FOR SALE *

In article <984HFJD84.cooper@ucscb.ucsc.edu> cooper@ucscb.ucsc.edu (Agent Cooper) writes:
> >Abandon Hope all ye who enter
> >
> >Damned cool episode!  I can hardly wait for the last one of the season.
> >No way in hell are they going to tie all of this together in one more
> >week.  I'm confused though; I thought it wasn't supposed to be on
> >tonight!?  I would have missed it if I wasn't randomly flipping
> >through channels out of boredom.


 Yeah!  I was watching ABC in forlorn hope when they started
that 'America's worst crimes' parody...I almost turned the set
off before I noticed the narrator was Gordon Cole.  I'm kind
of confused about what this dream sequence was supposed to 
represent though.  

Bud

-- Dr. William K Glunt | Are you ABNORMAL? Heh heh nice ring to it!| Then you are probably better than most people! U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD? from _The book of the SubGenius_

Abandon Hope all ye who enter

Damned cool episode!  I can hardly wait for the last one of the season.
No way in hell are they going to tie all of this together in one more
week.  I'm confused though; I thought it wasn't supposed to be on
tonight!?  I would have missed it if I wasn't randomly flipping
through channels out of boredom.

Here in the UK, the newly created Broadcasting Standards Council has just
upheld its first complaint -- regarding an episode of Twin Peaks. Eight
viewers (out of an audience of somewhere near 3.5 million, I think) complained
that the scene showing the murder of Maddie Ferguson by Leland/BOB was
unsuitable for public viewing. The Broadcasting Standards Council agreed.

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/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / ccsdra@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Dave Allum) /  8:13 am  Apr 19, 1991 /

>> >>The BBC have cancelled Twin-Peaks in the UK.  In its place they're planning
>> >>to show, of all things, SNOOKER!

> >Calm down. TP is being pre-empted by the snooker for the next two weeks and
> >will return on May 7th. It annoys me too but the return date was clearly
> >announced at the end of the last episode. 

See, COOPER (COOP, English Reserve) did it's job and cajoled the BBC into
returning TP to our screens.

Now, if only we could convince Channel 4 to make another series of Vic Reeves
Big Night Out.

Richard.

In article <11059@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Russell) writes:
> >
> >It basically states that the opposite influences of the Black Lodge
> >and White Lodge (i.e. Saturn/Jupiter) create a type of dimensional
> >whirlpool when too close. Well, as Jupiter and Saturn close in on each
> >other, this whirlpool is formed.

You mean that some of this bizarre crap we've been coming up with is
actually IT?  The authentic SECRET?  YOW!

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

Add to that the fact that his hand started shaking when the girl was
murdered and the murderer was near.  The ring is significant because
the giant takes it away (in the series) and returns it after he
encounters the clues.  There were also more references to good vs evil,
black vs white (nurses in white uniforms, snowflakes, woman dressed
all in black, etc).  Some pretty good clues regarding Windom Earle, too.

Brian Wood

It turns out that Dugpas are not just an invention of fantasy writer, Talbot
Mundy's imagination. According to Christmas Humphrey's "Buddhism" (you people
who are tired of Buddhism can tune out if you like), the Dugpas are a
degenerate sect of Tibetan Buddhism that practiced black magic.

Here is a quote from the chapter on Tibetan Bhuddism, "History of Lamaism"
section (p. 190 in the Pelican paperback version). I omit the umlaut over the o
in Bon. 

"Before the seventh century, the sole religion of Tibet was the Bon... These
Bonpas, however, must not be confused with Dugpas, who are members of the Dugpa
sect [of Tibetan Buddhism], founded in upper Tibet in the twelfth century by a
spirtual descendant of Milarepa. The sect being 'Red-hats', as distinct from
the 'Yellow-hats' of the later Reformation, and, having degenerated into Bon
practices, have come to be synonymous with Bonpas, and black magicians."

I don't believe that all Red-hats are Dugpas, however, just the ones who
practice black magic. The Dalai Lama is spiritual head of the Yellow-hats.

By the way, I checked my tape of 2001 and Coop does state that he has never
been to Tibet when telling Diane what he regrets while lying on the floor.  It
is clear from the recent "Autobiography' that Dale disappeared on some kind of 
quest for three years, and it seems likely he went to the far east, but
apparently not to Tibet.  He does mention reading a book by a Tibetan monk
named Gumm.

-Rich Haller

More on J. (A.) Wheeler the physicist. According to Martin Gardner's book, 'The
Relativity Explosion' (paperback p.173-174), "Wheeler has imagined [a] society
living on a gigantic shell that has been built around a rotating black hole the
size of a mustard seed. He has even worked out a scheme by which the garbage is
dropped downward into the black abyss. The hole neatly disposes of the garbage,
crushing it instantly out of existence, and politely sends back energy to
supply all the needs of the civilization flourishing on the spherical shell."

Talk about hi-tech recycling!  Looks more and more like they must have had this
Wheeler in mind when they came up with JJ's character.

-Rich (A black hole has no hair) Haller

Quite simply alt.tv.twin-peaks will become alt.tv.crimes-of-the-century or
alt.tv.mike-connors.   (At least I got to see Cheers again)

One thing to consider is that BOB tends to go after innocents.  he 
corruppted Leland as a boy and Josie when she was weak.  Evil always did 
get a kick out of ruining pure, potential good guys.

This leads to the question:  Who's innocent in Twin Peaks?

Not many people.

Andy and the secretary (don't remember her name, sorry) are quite innocent 
(I would suggest *too* innocent to be swayed over).  However, in light of 
upcomming baby showers, they may be discounted.  Audrey, despite how much 
of a vamp she may be, is also fundimentally innocent.  Her tryst with 
Wheeler may have fixed that though.  The only *really* innocent person 
around is Pete.  Kept his hands mostly clean and nobody would suspect him.

Any comments should be posted and not E-mailed since I will be gone for 
quite a while.


                                       - Sasha

This may be a little late, but a friend and I were talking about a possible
scenario. Since Josie died and is now in the drawer-knob, we were speculating
that Harry would start to carry around the drawer with the soul of Josie
and the town would start to call him "The Drawer Man" just as the log lady
carries around the log with the soul of her husband. But, since Harry seems
to have recovered from the whole Josie-in-the-knob incident, it'll never
happen. Oh well.

****************************************************************************
* Pamela Ryono                     *  Artificial Intelligence:             *
* pryono@bonnie.ics.uci.edu        *     The science of making computers   *
* University of California, Irvine *     operate like they do on MacGyver. *
****************************************************************************

We have 29 of the 30 hours of Twin Peaks on videotape!  Our goal is to
watch the whole show (both seasons) before the June 10th finale.  Does
anyone have the February 9th (16th?) episode on tape?  This is the one
where Major Briggs came back from "the other place".  Any help in finding
a copy of this episode would be greatly appreciated.  Please send e-mail
to qintar@agora.rain.com.

     -Jim Seymour                                qintar@agora.rain.com
     =================================================================
     Cipher Systems, Inc.,    P.O. Box 329,    North Plains, OR  97133

In article <1991Apr26.053949.18577@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> >In article <984HFJD84.cooper@ucscb.ucsc.edu> cooper@ucscb.ucsc.edu (Agent Cooper) writes:
>> >>
>> >> I thought it wasn't supposed to be on tonight!?  I would have missed
>> >> it if I wasn't randomly flipping through channels out of boredom.
> >
> > I almost turned the set off before I noticed the narrator was Gordon Cole.

Do you mean to say that they actually _did_ run an episode last night!?
Despite repeated, widely reported announcements that they would not be
doing so!?  Or is this just some kind of twisted joke!?

Oh, how cruel fate is!

Lum

(I hope I'll be able to buy a complete copy of this on tape, or better
yet on laserdisc, when the season is over.  Besides just plain missing
episodes because of confusion, power failures, mis-set vcrs, etc, our
local affiliate has stomped all over several episodes with basketball
games, special news bulletins, and whatnot.  I loathe broadcast tv.)
-- Lum Johnson <lum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Yeah, yeah, ....

In article <13403.281593bc@zeus.unomaha.edu> acmdtp@zeus.unomaha.edu (Acronym Oversight Committee Chair) writes:
...
> >...could some kind soul
> >please post the tp timeline for the entire second season?
...

Isn't that a bit tough to do since the second season
has not yet concluded?????








-- Roger Fulton roger@wrq.com

One other thought about the multiple puzzle boxes is that Andrew may
have done exactly the right thing when he smashed the box open. 
Sometimes the answer to the puzzle is that there is no answer. (Zen?)


-- A. Buschhaus | Audrey, there are many cures for a broken heart, (414)229-6229 | but nothing quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight. | Pete Martel - Twin Peaks

FYI, the following was printed in the 4/21 Boston Sunday Globe
TV Week booklet.  Evidently The Globe TV Week department did 
not find out that TP had been placed on hiatus before going to
press.


Possible spoiler, I suppose.















































THURSDAY, APRIL 25

-----------------------------
          9 p.m.
-----------------------------
5-9-12 Twin Peaks /
Truman and Cooper decipher
part of Black Lodge's secret;
the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant
draws a crowd; Donna wants
the truth. Q




According to Paul Raveling, the original scripts for this season's final
two episodes were chucked, and Lynch 'winged it'.  In that case, the
above description for episode 2021 may not be valid.  Anyway, I thought
some folks might be interested in seeing this tidbit of information. 
Did anyone else notice something similar in other newpapers?  TV Guide,
the magazine, did not make this mistake, for a change.


--
Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300

"Nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup collides with ham."
  -- Dale Cooper, FBI Special Agent

In article <1836@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM>, bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM (Bradford
H Needham) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr22.211155.4868@colorado.edu>
ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
>> > >
>> > >I ust noticced that everyone is now referring to the "evil spirits"
>> > >(that WE mentioned) as "dugpas"....
> > 
> > I heard it as "dougfus", a play on words for "Douglas Firs".

When Jerry Boyajian posted his original note about the White
Lodge as mentioned in "The Devil's Guard" he quoted from
chapter XII, titled "Dugpas", which said among other things...

   "Dugpas is the name for sorcerers who cultivate evil
   for the sake of evil..."

It would appear that either one or more Peaks writers
is drawing from this now-obscure 1926 book or we've influenced
them to do that.

I gave a copy of Jerry's article to Scott Frost, who said he
hadn't been aware of it.  If the White Lodge connection was
actually accidental, then they must have written in some
references to things such as the Dugpas based on the info
we forwarded.  I passed that article on at a time that would
have been about when the last episode's script was written.

For the benefit of still more who haven't seen it, a copy
of this article by Jerry Boyajian follows the form feed
after my signature.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com


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Subject: The White Lodge
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Major Briggs: "There are powerful forces of evil. It is some men's fate
      to face great darkness. We each choose how to react. If the
choice
      is fear, then we become vulnerable to darkness. There are ways to
      resist. You, sir, were blessed with certain gifts. In this
respect,
      you're not alone. Have you ever heard of the White Lodge?"

Agent Cooper: "The White Lodge. No, I don't believe I have."


Well, Cooper hasn't, but I have. I don't know of any other "legitimate"
source for the reference, but following are quotes from the fantasy
adventure novel THE DEVIL'S GUARD (a.k.a. RAMSDEN) by Talbot Mundy,
first published in 1926, and sadly out of print for the last 20 years.
The page numbers cited are for the 1968 Avon Books paperback edition,
though if you happen across a different edition and are inclined to
look
up the quotes, they can be found in Chapter XII, entitled "Dugpas".

[Background: James Schuyler Grim (a.k.a. "Jimgrim") and his companions
Jeff Ramsden, Narayan Singh, and Chullander Ghose, are hired to find
Elmer Rait, a fellow American who's disappeared in Tibet. Along the
way,
they are beset by perils both natural and human.]

Grim went on talking: "It's known, even in this monastery,
that the dugpas have caught Rait. Dugpas is the name for
sorcerers who cultivate evil for the sake of evil--that's
as close as I can come to understanding it--they're vaguely
like the Kali-worshippers of India. The people Rait set out
to reach, and whom we want to reach, are the students of
Life, so to speak--much in the same way that Luther Burbank
studies botany, for the love of it. The dugpas are as much
their enemies as the law of gravity is the enemy of the will
to rise. Rait had intelligence enough to work his way into
the outer fringe of the dugpa mysteries, but that was his
limit. He began to try to use the Dalai Lama's letter that
he stole from Mordecai. The Dalai Lama--or the Kun-Dun as
they call him--and the Tashi Lama of Shigatze, are the trusted
outer representatives of the inner secret White Lodge, whose
whose headquarters is said to be Sham-bha-la."  (p. 120-1)

Lhaten was talking..."--No, the White Lodge is not at
Sham-bha-la, but some of its brotherhood live there. The
White Lodge never interferes with individuals, as such, any
more than Nature may be said to interfere with individuals,
as such. The greatest good of the greatest number always;
and no favorites. Do the stars, for instance, limit their
light to individuals? Yet one learns more about than another.
How? By trying; by concentration on the study. Do the stars
come nearer? No. Do they treat him differently? No. Neither
does the White Lodge make distinctions. It is secret, just
as electricity was secret before Thales, Gilbert, Faraday,
and all of the others following them, discovered something
about it. Electricity was there, always, but they had to
find it; and having found it they could give it to the world,
to use or misuse. Was electricity confined to any one place?
No. Neither is the White Lodge confined to any one place.
But some places are more suitable than others, just as there
are certain places where it is more practical to establish
electric plants...."

"How has the White Lodge kept its secret all these years?"
Grim asked.

"Who kept the secret of electricity?" Lhaten answered. "Was
there any need to keep it, while men were too stupid, or too
busily engaged in cutting one another's throats (which is the
same thing!) even to look for it? They were too superstitious
to dare to investigate; afraid to be mocked or burned for
heresy. Nowadays men know not much more, and they are as
superstitious and as cocksure as ever. Nine tenths of them
will mock you if you speak of the existence of the White
Lodge; of the remaining tenth, some will try to put you in
a lunatic asylum, some will curse you in the name of their
religion, and the remainder will try to believe you for
various reasons, most of them selfish..."  (p 124-5)

"To pursue evil, a man must have evil tendencies which will
increase through cultivation as he becomes more and more
responsive to the impulses that govern evil. Owls live in
the dark. [emphasis mine - jmb :-)]          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^                        Whales swim in the sea.
Men with scientific tendencies discover laws of nature.
Only those who have the character pertaining to the path
they choose can succeed in the end; and though a shoemaker,
like Kabir, can become a poet, that was because he had the
poet's nature. In the same way, only they who have the
necessary character can find or be received into the White
Lodge, although anyone can receive its benefits, as anyone
may read the poems of Kabir."  (p. 128)

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Before people start getting bent out of shape about missing an
episode, let's be clear that THIS WAS NOT A REGULAR TWIN PEAKS
EPISODE.  It was simply a filler episode that filled in some
background without really advancing the plot or answering any of the
riddles of TP.  So if you missed it, your experience of TP will be a
bit poorer, perjaps (actually *quite a bit* poorer) but nothing really
essential was missed.  It was weirdly great in some spots, though.

+++ Rod  "Matt Brinkman usetabe"  Johnson +++



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

   In article <1991Apr26.184606.17967@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
lum@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (J Columbus Johnson II) asks...

> >In article <1991Apr26.053949.18577@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:

>> >> I almost turned the set off before I noticed the narrator was Gordon Cole.

> >Do you mean to say that they actually _did_ run an episode last night!?

   Well, yes and no.  They didn't exactly run a Twin Peaks episode, but
a show called "Crimes of the Century."  As the above poster stated, it
was narrated by Gordon Cole (aka David Lynch).  It really didn't deal with
those oh-so-beloved TP characters, but did fill in a lot of interesting
background information using F.B.I case files.

   There were three major crimes discussed:

1) The Theresa Banks Thrill-Kill Murder.  This was kind of eerie.  They
   treated the murder of Theresa Banks in much the same manner as the
   movie "Helter Skelter" treated the Manson case.

2) The Great Pittsburgh FBI Scandal.  Kind of disappointing.  It was 
   of neat to finally meet Dianne and Caroline, but the plotting was 
   plodding, and the reason that Windom killed his wife seemed implausible,
   IMHO.

3) The Fantastic Fission Caper.  Brrrrrrrr.  The idea of a Hong Kong
   business man with ties to the Yakuza getting hold of a rectangular
   block of weapons grade plutonium was frightening.  The final scene
   where they stated that the F.B.I. still had no idea where the 
   plutonium is currently located was especially chilling especially
   with that Lynchian/Frostian final closeup of the TP sign zooming in
   on that mushroom right in front of it.

+++Matt "R o d Johnson wannabe" Brinkman +++
+++ Internet: BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV   +++

Gee, this was *kind of* funny in January.  But even then the humor
wore off after the fiftieth posting.

--
| Emerick M. Rogul        |   Just goes to show you.  You can kill  |
| 700 Commonwealth Ave.   |   a guy, fold him up, stuff him in your |
| Boston, MA 02215        |   trunk, and still you don't *really*   |
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There's at least one possible link no one has mentioned --

How did Nadine gain her incredible strength? When she tried to kill herself.

Who else has tried to kill herself?

;-)

I think we may find that Annie is not as weak and innocent as she seems. The
whole thread about Coop/damsels-in-distress seems to engender the same 
conclusion: Coop can only be happy with a woman who doesn't NEED his protection,
for the simple reason that the women who need his protection all get killed.

Another support for the BOB/Pete thread might just be Pete seeing Josie. After
all, BOB's host must accept him, and Josie's death gives Pete a reason to wish
for power over the supernatural.

I hope that Nadine wins Miss TP, because the idea of WE and Leo trying to kill
her strikes me as the germ of some very potent slapstick.

Frank
steele@athena.cs.uga.edu

In article <1991Apr26.170430.22561@ns.uoregon.edu>,
rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:
 
|> By the way, I checked my tape of 2001 and Coop does state that he has never
|> been to Tibet when telling Diane what he regrets while lying on the
floor.  It
|> is clear from the recent "Autobiography' that Dale disappeared on
some kind of 
|> quest for three years, and it seems likely he went to the far east, but
|> apparently not to Tibet.  He does mention reading a book by a Tibetan monk
|> named Gumm.
         ^^^^

So is this the "Gumm you like" that we have been looking for?

----------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Stevensstevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov

therm%midiline.uucp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Robertshaw) writes:

> > slv@cs.wisc.edu (Scott L. Vandenberg) writes:
>> > > In article <XDmX13w164w@midiline>, therm%midiline.uucp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (
> > [call for gum-theories deleted]
>> > > 
>> > > An off-the-wall idea:  To Leland, the gum could be some sort of 
>> > > link back to his childhood, before he was possessed by Bob.  Perhaps
>> > > it's a gum he liked when he was young, and thus it brings back
>> > > pleasant memories of a time when he was not a marionette controlled
>> > > by evil forces.  The fact that it's coming back into style could
>> > > mean that such a time is returning -- Bob is leaving him, although
>> > > he ends up having a tragically small amount of time to enjoy this
>> > > state.
> >   If "enjoy" is the proper word   :-)
> > 
> > -Mark


I've got it. It isn't "gum," but "Gumm," the Tibetan philosopher that 
Cooper reads.
So what the LMFAP and WMDRSW are really saying are "That Gumm you like is 
going to come back in style," meaning that this man's philosophy is going 
to be world-wide soon.
Or maybe I just need more sleep at nights...

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rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> > Before people start getting bent out of shape about missing an
> > episode, let's be clear that THIS WAS NOT A REGULAR TWIN PEAKS
> > EPISODE.  It was simply a filler episode that filled in some
> > background without really advancing the plot or answering any of the
> > riddles of TP.  So if you missed it, your experience of TP will be a
> > bit poorer, perjaps (actually *quite a bit* poorer) but nothing really
> > essential was missed.  It was weirdly great in some spots, though.

Okay, this is no longer funny, it is now just annoying. We don't really 
need another 200 fake messages telling us how great the 4/24 episode 
was... (although, to be honest, it may be all that is left of 
alt.tv.twin-peaks after June 10)

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In article <1991Apr22.165121.11397@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Hand shaking [...]
> >Is there a chemical in the water supply?

I think it's something in the cherries.

Coop is very fond of them in pies.

The old lady in the diner was eating them when her hand started shaking.

Wheeler was getting Audrey's when Pete's hand started shaking...

:-) :-) :-) :-)
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    jab0396@cec1.wustl.edu   |         in the heart or in the head?"
    johnb@hobbes.mdc.com     |                   -- Willy Wonka

Being new to the net, maybe this is a dumb question:

  Anybody notice any similarity between the map in Owl Cave and
  the murals on the walls of the Great Northern?

--
Terran J. Boylan
Iowa State University
Ames, IA 50010

In article <1991Apr26.134614.1@edseq1.llnl.gov> brinkman@edseq1.llnl.gov writes:
> >   Well, yes and no.  They didn't exactly run a Twin Peaks episode, but
> >a show called "Crimes of the Century."  As the above poster stated, it
> >was narrated by Gordon Cole (aka David Lynch).  

SINCE I MISSED THIS SHOW, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW WHETHER GORDON COLE SPOKE IN HIS
USUAL LOUD VOICE ALL THROUGHOUT HIS NARRATION?

Louie

In article <1991Apr26.135952@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >I gave a copy of Jerry's article to Scott Frost, who said he
> >hadn't been aware of it.  

Paul, were you successful in getting Scott Frost a copy of that "TP theme 
marriage proposal?" What does he think about a.t.tp?

Louie

In article <BARB.91Apr23184616@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:
)
)I suppose spirits could move into the animal heads that are already
)stuffed, as Josie's spirit seems to have moved into the drawer knob.
)It certainly was an intriguing image for the camera to focus on at
)that point, giving the viewer something ELSE to wonder about besides
)"What's that metallic thing?"  I'm trying to think of any particular
)symbolism traditionally attached to goats that might explain the shot
)as a way of underscoring some attribute of Catherine and Andrew that
)was being expressed (their greed, primarily, although I think that goats
)were actually symbols of rampant sexuality).  I guess we'll just have
)to wait and see if it comes up again later...
)
)Barb Miller

 It's interesting concept, cause Catherine has until now been portrayed 
as a basically EVIL character, similar to BENJAMIN who has been transformed
into GOOD, and natcherly Catherines husband PETE has been GOOD all along,
not to mention a good chess player (in the script at any rate).  So are
the trophyies on the wall Petes, Andrews, or Catherines?  I suspect that
they are Andrews, as he is the evilest one in the house... isn't he?
Eckhardts ex-partner, back from the DEAD... [what a long strange trip it's
been?]
Andrew spent the year off dead for tax purposes at PEARL LAKE, didn't he?

I wonder if he hung out at the White Lodge or the Black Lodge...!
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In article <1991Apr26.032837.17741@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes:
|> 
|> Out of curiosity, I was just wondering if there was any particular order
|> that the list of quotes are arranged in.
|> 
|> Keith
|> -- 
|> "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot.  I couldn't stop
|> thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my
|> ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit
|> my foot off myself_."  From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

Very good question, Keith.  I would be remiss if I gave a positive answer, though.  There might be significance to the order of the quotes presented, they might be done that way simply for the asthetic effect or they might be done entirely at random (I am a statistician, you know  :-).  Please feel free to speculate on this idea and offer suggestions to the net.  I believe that the upcoming book "My Quotes, My Life" might shed some small light.  
Of course, an in depth discussion of this topic should include thoughts on which lines were quoted as well as which ones were conspicuously absent.  As a holistic statistician I believe in the interconnectedness of all things.  In some unknown way a butterfly flapping its wings in the movie Brazil will affect the
quotes that are used.  On the other hand, when my wife beats me and when she doesn't is well known but has no affect on the choice of quotes at all!  Or does it?  Hmmmm....
Well, as before, feel free to spend large amounts of time thinking about this important matter.  After all, from a holistic view the order of the quotes will have some affect on your daily life.  (Are you married?  Does your wife beat you?  Maybe it's a conspiracy?

Sincerely,

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu         <----------####    correct address. not the one above

Er, um.  The question was posed how Nadine got her incredible strength.  The
answer speculated that it had something to do with her suicide attempt is not
supported because in the first season she bent her exercise machine out of
shape and virutually tackled Ed when she came running in after discovering her
curtain runners were now silent.  The actual physical explanation (given by Doc
Hayward this season) is that her body's pumping out adrenaline by the gallon
(slight exageration-must be a country habit)  -OOZ

In article <91116.133028SAUDA@MAINE.BITNET> SAUDA@MAINE.BITNET writes:
> >Quite simply alt.tv.twin-peaks will become alt.tv.crimes-of-the-century or
> >alt.tv.mike-connors.   (At least I got to see Cheers again)

Well I will be leaving next week and won't return until August

and I expect this newsgroup to still exist (esp. if Europe gets TP).

We could become a David Lynch newsgroup...
a Lynch/Frost productions newsgrou...
a TP newsgroup going over old stuff and books...
an Angelo Badalamenti(sp) newsgroup?
a cult TV newdgroup...

The possibitlities are endless...

-Matt
....
...
..
.

After a lot of comtemplation regarding who will become Miss Twin Peaks, I
have come to a prediction.

The winner will be... Laura Palmer!  I have several reasons for this choice:

    1) A couple of months ago, when the COOP parties were going on, someone
posted that they had talked to Michael Horse, who plays Hawk.  This person
posted that the only detail Mr. Horse would reveal about upcoming episodes 
was: (paraphrased) "You won't believe who wins the Miss Twin Peaks pageant!"
Now, with all the other recent, intensely important happenings going on in
the Twin Peaks world, I don't think he would have chosen this particular
plot to comment on unless it was going to be a very surprising, important
event.  Of the girls currently in the contest: Donna, Shelley, Lana, Lucy,
Audrey (maybe), and Nadine, none of them really fit Mr. Horse's above comment.
Nadine, possibly, since she'd certainly be an unexpected winner, but Laura
would be an even more amazing, bizarrely Lynchian twist.
    2) There must be SOME reason why Laura's picture (as a homecoming
*QUEEN*) is still shown at the end of each episode.
    3) Just a strong hunch.

I don't know exactly how this would come about.  Maybe the girls in the
contest will start thinking about Laura and decide that she should have
the title as a way of honoring and commemorating this formerly beloved
citizen of the Twin Peaks community.  Or maybe she will physically reappear,
with help from the White Lodge.  Whichever way this comes about, I think
Laura being chosen as the winner will foil Earle's plans, thereby finally
redeeming Laura's soul (something she was always trying, but never able,
to do while she was alive.)

I have always had a feeling (and a hope) that the some of the more important
deceased citizens of Twin Peaks would make an encore appearance in the
final show.  Then again, hopefully this won't be the final show.

Comments?  

(God, I hate having a newsfeed that stays 3 days behind!) 

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steele@athena.cs.uga.edu (Frank Steele) writes:

> > There's at least one possible link no one has mentioned --
> > 
> > How did Nadine gain her incredible strength? When she tried to kill herself.
> > 
> > Who else has tried to kill herself?
> > 
> > ;-)

Sorry, the joke's on you. Nadine had her strength long before attempting 
suicide... 

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I am lucky enough to live in Woodinville, Washington, not half an hour 
from the town of North Bend, where the pilot and some of first seaon TP 
was shot. 
Last night, my parents and I ate dinner at the Mar-T cafe in North Bend, 
used as the Double R for the pilot and first season. Naturally, there 
were Twin Peaks references up all over the place - phots of cast members, 
post cards, shirts for sale (my favorite: a shirt with the drawing of BOB 
on it, asking "Have you seen this man?"), not to mention a sign outside 
saying "Home of Twin Peaks Pies". 
And, what can I say? My parents and I did have some cherry pie, and some 
of the coffee, and it was _really that good_. Even parents, who don't 
care for the show, thought it was the best they'd had. In my father's 
words, "We'll take another four pieces of pie and a million gallons of 
coffee, please." 

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What about discussion of Coop's autobiography?  Don't you READ this
group?  I responded to someone's post DAYS ago about this! Don't
see any other responses yet, though.  Must be too much black lodge
interference with Internet.

BMW    If Barnabus Collins shows up on Star Trek investigating why
       owls are not what they seem, I'll know I've crossed the line.

A recent "Sylvia" cartoon appearing on the comics page of the
Denver Post shows a bunch of headstones with various comments on
them. One reads "Couldn't live without Twin Peaks".

BMW

     It was mentioned that Jupiter and Saturn would be nearly on
opposite sides of the Sun at the time of the story.  There might be
a point when Twin Peaks will be on the line connecting the two planets?
-Doug Elrod (l4oj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu)

  I have every confidence that Josie will return June 10, perhaps as Miss Twin
Peaks?  By the way, when Jones was about to kill Truman, she put some perfume o
n his lip.  Was this supposed to be Josie's perfume, used to evoke her memory a
nd confirm that he and Josie were lovers?

  I think, but am not sure, that the dark circle on the ground when BOB appears
 is the remains of Maj. Briggs' and Cooper's fire from when the major disappear
ed. (A possible connection?)

  What has become of Ronnette Polaski?  What was the blue liquid in her IV?  Di
d anyone else notice that if she had died instead of Laura, the mystery would b
e abbreviated WKRP?

  Speaking of resolving the plot lines on June 10, how about Gordon Cole's hear
ing problem and the Shelley Johnson connection, or is he just a throwback to th
e old Monty Python sketch with the police station where a man wanted to report
a burglary? (Hold it!  That's the EXACT frequency!)

  And didn't Ben Horne have a wife in a very early episode?  (At the dinner tab
le when Jerry appears?)  And how did Eileen come to be in a wheelchair anyway?
 Is Ben or the Doc responsible for that?

  Why does the Miss Twin Peaks Contest have anything to do with Lucy's D-Day?
Does she want Dick to fix the results?  Is it because Dick can support her and
Andy can't?  Something to do with chess, maybe?

  Cooper once asked the Giant "Where do you come from?"  He replied, "The quest
ion is: Where have you gone?"  I'm new to this net, any comments?

  Other TP birds: Canadian Geese

  The best ending for me:  Cooper in the Black Lodge/White Lodge where he meets
 his "opposite self" as once described by Hawk in a duel for their souls and Co
oper's opposite turns out to be BOB!

  Or something.
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In article <11456@uwm.edu> bats@convex.csd.uwm.edu (A. Buschhaus) writes:
> >One other thought about the multiple puzzle boxes is that Andrew may
> >have done exactly the right thing when he smashed the box open. 
> >Sometimes the answer to the puzzle is that there is no answer. (Zen?)

Hmmm...a Gordion knot?


-- Jackie Burhans (burhans@usc.edu) Data Stylist, USC Student Affairs

UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:

> > I don't know exactly how this would come about.  Maybe the girls in the
> > contest will start thinking about Laura and decide that she should have
> > the title as a way of honoring and commemorating this formerly beloved
> > citizen of the Twin Peaks community.  Or maybe she will physically reappear,
> > with help from the White Lodge.  Whichever way this comes about, I think
> > Laura being chosen as the winner will foil Earle's plans, thereby finally
> > redeeming Laura's soul (something she was always trying, but never able,
> > to do while she was alive.)

Hmm... This would seem to be a really nice tie-together -- and Lynch
already has footage of Sheryl Lee floating in midair as a Symbol of Good...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Kyle Krom writes:

> >   Speaking of resolving the plot lines on June 10, how about Gordon Cole's
> > hearing problem and the Shelley Johnson connection, or is he just a throwback
> > to the old Monty Python sketch with the police station where a man wanted
> > to report a burglary?  (Hold it!  That's the EXACT frequency!)

But Twin Peaks is full of Monty Python references!  Case in point:

(Truman and Cooper looking at the Major):

Truman:  But how do you know what lodge he belongs to?
Cooper:  It's tattooed on the back of 'is neck!

Well, I don't think Pete actually saw Josie in the Great Northern.  I
think he was just composing more bad poetry to her.  He was standing in that
self-conscious, 'Alas poor Yorick' type of pose, & his language was a little
flowery.  I also don't remember him waving good-bye, although I could be wrong.
I just remember him picking up his hat.  So, I certainly don't think this scene
is supposed to tell us anything profound about Pete.

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In article <Bq8312w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:

[News from North bend]

Then maybe you can confirm something.

I have a student who grew up in the Seattle area (which I guess means
Seattle, basically).  Her father is some kind of bigshot attorney who
had business interests in Snoqualmie and North Bend--specifically in
the power plant above the falls, which TP is careful to keep out of
sight.  Her family used to go on weekend vacations to the Salish Lodge
(which, by the way, she says is way upscale on the inside, not much
like the Great Northern).

Anyway, she says that North Bend's main claim to fame used to be this:
there was one traffic light in the whole town, and it sat squarely on
the main highway through town, which was coincidentally a non-limited
access section of I-90.  It was, in fact, the only stoplight on I-90
between the east and west coasts, and the government used to beg and
plead with North Bend to remove it.  North Bend refused, and the Feds
finally built a bypass.  My student said that this stoplight was quite
celebrated, known for fifty miles around as a pain in the ass.

To me, this story gives a certain resonance to the the shots of the
stoplight in TP.  Is this *the* stoplight, famed bane of truckers
coast-to-coast?  Does anyone know if this story is true?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <33547@mimsy.umd.edu>, sjsmith@tulgey.cs.umd.edu (Stephen
Joseph Smith) writes:
> > The hand-shaking was, as speculated, BOB's attempt to enter hosts.  The woman
> > in the diner resisted.  Coop resisted, of course.  The last hand to shake
> > was... Pete Martell's!
> > 
> > BOB is now in Pete! and Tawdry Audrey is with him!  Alone!  At Pearl Lakes,
> > Center of Evil!  Now he can REALLY say... "She's dead.  Wrapped in plastic."

[wonderful theory deleted]

  But BOB doesn't need a host now.  Didn't he just step into the REAL world
  at the end of the last episode?

  Tjet

In article <91118.003413KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >  I think, but am not sure, that the dark circle on the ground when BOB appears
> > is the remains of Maj. Briggs' and Cooper's fire from when the major disappear
> >ed. (A possible connection?)

Hmmm.  I don't think so.  Briggs' and Coop's fire should long be out.
and as someone else has been saying, it is important to listen as
well as look in scene's like this.  The red light coupled with the
dwarf-dance-snapping music leads to know that this is the Red Room
of Cooper's dream.  Some form of Hell, place of evil.  the dwarf is 
some bad dude who prophesied all the details of Laura's death.

Anyway, if you look closely, you can see the texture of curtains (red
ones) in that light.  

> >
> >
> >  And didn't Ben Horne have a wife in a very early episode?  (At the dinner tab
> >le when Jerry appears?)  And how did Eileen come to be in a wheelchair anyway?
> > Is Ben or the Doc responsible for that?

   Yes, Ben's wife (Audrey and Johnny's mother) was in a few shows.  The pilot
and in the show where we meet Jerry Horne.  The Eileen in a wheelchair idea
parallel's Nadine's missing eye nicely.

> >|Kyle R. Krom | "God, I love the military mind. What's the capital|

Michael

In article <6171@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

|> Anyway, she says that North Bend's main claim to fame used to be this:
|> there was one traffic light in the whole town, and it sat squarely on
|> the main highway through town, which was coincidentally a non-limited
|> access section of I-90.  It was, in fact, the only stoplight on I-90
|> between the east and west coasts, and the government used to beg and
|> plead with North Bend to remove it.  North Bend refused, and the Feds
|> finally built a bypass.  My student said that this stoplight was quite
|> celebrated, known for fifty miles around as a pain in the ass.
|> 
|> To me, this story gives a certain resonance to the the shots of the
|> stoplight in TP.  Is this *the* stoplight, famed bane of truckers
|> coast-to-coast?  Does anyone know if this story is true?

I've driven I-90 West from Wisconsin to its end in Seattle (I did this
about 1.5 years ago), and there was a stoplight in Idaho.  I forget the 
name of the town, but an enormous bypass was under construction (and may
still be, so the light may still be there).  

So the stoplight in North Bend story may be true, but the part about it
being the only stoplight on I-90 is absolutely wrong.

-- @ Scott L. Vandenberg (scottv@cs.wisc.edu) @ @ University of Wisconsin-Madison Computer Sciences Department @ @ 1210 West Dayton Street, Madison, Wisconsin 53706 (608)262-6623 @

ez002797@pollux writes:
 
> > BTW, my last posting was not meant to be SIGNED Earl of Windom,
> > That was a note to myself in vi to ask if there was a place
> > named Windom which might have an Earl.  That would leave the
> > perfect anagram "Owl in dream"  Windom, Earl.  As in Horne, Esq.
> > Just another reaching thought.
> >
> > I know there are two cities named Windom in New England, but
> > they're not likely to have Earls in Maine.
> >
> > Michael
 
I live in the "beautiful" city of Lewiston, Maine.  There is most certainly
no town of Windom.  There is however a town of Wisdom, and a town of Windam.
 Sorry...no Windom...but I suppose you could take a northern township and
get a bunch of your friends (yeah...both) and start one.  :)
 
Maine...VACATIONLAND!  (And home of Cabot Cove and Jessica Fletcher)
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^ Not really...
 
-Lazer (co-sysop L/A Blues BBS (207) 777-3465)

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> > In article <Bq8312w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthene
> > 
> > [News from North bend]
> > 
> > Then maybe you can confirm something.
> > 
> > I have a student who grew up in the Seattle area (which I guess means
> > Seattle, basically).  Her father is some kind of bigshot attorney who
> > had business interests in Snoqualmie and North Bend--specifically in
> > the power plant above the falls, which TP is careful to keep out of
> > sight.  Her family used to go on weekend vacations to the Salish Lodge
> > (which, by the way, she says is way upscale on the inside, not much
> > like the Great Northern).

That's because interiors for the Great Northern were shot at the nearby 
Kiana Lodge, which was also used for the Martell house. Salish Lodge was 
only used for exteriors.
As for your question concerning the stoplight, I don't know. Sorry.

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