Season 2, Episode 13: Checkmate — January 19–February 01, 1991

In article <5432@husc6.harvard.edu>, burns@sparkle.uucp (John Burns) writes:
|> In article <1991Jan22.152531.15193@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon
|> Webb) writes:
|> >I consider Jean Renault's speech to Cooper, just before he died, to
|> be
|> >extremely significant.
|> Hogwash.  Many of the things happening in Twin Peaks, especially in
|> the
|> first season, had little to do with Cooper.  Laura's murder was what
|> drew
|> him there in the first place.  Leo killed Bernard Renault over their
|> drug
|> dealings.  Although Cooper was at the Bernard's interrogation by the
|> Bookhouse Boys, they had already caught him before bringing in
|> Cooper.  The
|> whole Shelley/Leo/Ben/Catherine/Hank/Josie fire thing and the
|> Josie/Catherine/Andrew/Eckhart storyline evolved independently as
|> well.

The `conventional' plot threads (Shelley, etc., Josie, etc.) don't need
explaining -- that sort of stuff goes on in soap operas all the time.

The interesting thing to me is how mystical things are getting activated
around Cooper.  Start with BOB.  He had been in Twin Peaks for over
forty years.  He kills Teresa Banks, apparently as part of his normal
pattern, with this key difference: this murder is investigated by
Cooper.  A year later, he kills his host's daughter, and starts leaving
clues everywhere to who he is.  The one-armed man shows up.  Very
rapidly, BOB's stable situation decays and he leaves his host.

Similarly with the Log Lady and the Major.  Both of them were leaving
quiet lives, doing whatever they do, until they had messages for Cooper.
Then their character changed suddenly.  Before the Log Lady had a
message for Cooper, she was just `The Log Lady'; now she's Margaret.

Cooper has also activated the Giant and the Dwarf.  Nobody had heard of
things like that before he showed up.  E.g., consider Truman's surprise
at the way things are going these days.

I think that Cooper is driving the whole show; he is the linchpin (heh)
that pulls the whole thing together.  This is true not just in terms of
the dramatic conflict, but in the inner meaning of the show.  Renaud's
speech made this explicit.

As for Dave Arlington's  dream theory, maybe.  In dreams, people
sometimes know things about your life that they could not have known in
the context of the dream; BOB's reference to Pittsburgh points in this
direction.  I think I would be disappointed if this turned out to be the
case, but then I also thought that I would have been disappointed if
Laura's killer was her father, and I wasn't.

-- J

I'm not really sure why, but at some point during the opening scene, I got
the very clear impression that the symbol was supposed to represent the
silhouette of an owl,facing slightly to the right of the viewer, with its
wings spread.

Did anyone else get this impression?  Was I just free-associating?
-- John Kingdon jkingdon@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca "Maijstral liked Westerns better than other forms of genre entertainment. He wondered why Shakespeare hadn't written any."

*     HOWEVER, how about this? What if all of Twin Peaks, it's history, its
*events, etc. are all simply a nightmare of Cooper's that he is having. Perhaps
*he never recovered from whatever incident happened in Pittsburgh and he is
*locked in an insane asylumn there? When I first thought of this, catalysed
*by Jean's speech (another moment as creepy on TV as you'll see), a lot of
*things seem to make sense.

I bet that you saw the last episode of "Newhart" . . . MJS

> >
> >List of "^Twin Peaks^" Symbols/Motifs as of 1/23/91:
> >(As unsignificant as some of them are... :))
> >
> >1.  The ceiling fan in the Palmer home
 
In a lot of movies, starting with Blade Runner and continuing through
Angel Heart and others, I've notived a fan motif. I'd like to hear
suggesting as to the mood fans create and the meaning they may have.

In Angel Heart I thought that it referred back to an old belief
about left and right turning circles: 
circles turning clockwise
are positive and counter clockwise are evil or negative (although
pre-Christian pagans saw it the other way around. In the middle ages 
pagan counter-clockwise dances were forbidden by the church). 

Another example is the swastika, a spinning circle motif. Occultists say
that originally the swastika was turned in a positive direction but
the Nazi's turned it around and (inadvertently or deliberately) made it
a symbol of evil energy.
 
> >4.  The waterfall outside the Great Northern
 
Twice now I've heard suggestings that the waterfall is the gateway to
another world.  If that is so, we may be seeing Laura
(thrown into the water by Leland) again.

a.h.

 I haven't seen this with my own eyes, but a friend tells me that in
the credits for the 1/19/91 episode of TP, he saw the credit

 "Trucks provided by White Lodge Trucking."

Hmm.

Jeff Kouba
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

For some reason I'm really curious about why Dennis/Denise
finds women's clothes "relaxing" considering that the women
I know all feel that standard feminine garb is the opposite of
relaxing.   
 
I've developed 4 theories so far:
 
1) perhpas the male role makes him tense for some reason and a female
identity frees him from that tension.
 
2) perhaps keeping his mind occupied with trivial concerns like keeping  
his knees together, balancing on heels and keeping his hose on
straight distracts him from more disturbing obsessions and worries.
 
3) perhaps he grew up with strong female models of behaviour and few
if any male role models so he knows how women should act but does not
know how to act as a male so acting like a male is a constant effort  
whereas acting like a woman is familiar, easy and relaxing.  
 
4) perhaps as a man he is aware of the 'power' women have to cloud
men's minds and he wants to add that power to his arsenal of effective
weapons in his work. He is already a physically powerful, trained and
armed FBI agent, but perhaps being sexually desirably to the men he
works with makes him feel even more powerful and therefore more relaxed
and confident.
 
Just theories. I'm not really very confident about any of them. Feel
free to jump in with other suggestions. For some reason I am really
very curious about cross-dressing.  
 
a.h.

For those of you who don't care about Dark Shadows, feel free to skip this post.
I know this isn't a Dark Shadows user group, but enough people have alluded to
it for me to comment.

The "Phoenix" storyline involving Laura Collins was supernatural, yet ambiguous
enough to still be considered within the realm of reality.  The Barnabas storyline
was the first true MONSTER storyline on Dark Shadows, and I think the start of his
storyline starts off the series available on videotape.  It was not, however the
first truly supernatural storyline.  That would have been David's ghost friend
Sarah.  It was not known whether she was a figment of David's imagination or a
true ghost, until the one episode where she was shown alone on camera.  In the
words of Lela Swift, "We've crossed over."

For more information read _My Scrapbook Memories of Dark Shadows_ by Kathryn
Leigh Scott.

Jeff Schwartz

In article <1991Jan24.023728.28439@athena.mit.edu> valerie@athena.mit.edu (why do you ask?) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan21.192325.23591@engin.umich.edu>, ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes:
> >
> >As a practicing witch, I have a bit to say here on some of the 
> >speculation on the widow and Nicky...
 
     There are two ways to define "witch".
One way is to accept the self-definitions of people who have claimed
the word for themselves and who identify as 'witches".   
The other way is the common language way, a loose term used casually to
refer to many things. For instance, I called the widow a witch
because I think she is a person with powers that are out of the ordinary.
 

> >Please don't make such accusations unless you know what you're talking 
> >about.  Why do you think she's a Witch?  She hasn't done much unusual 
> >besides captivate a roomful of men with silly stories.  Spells are 
> >concentrations of mental enery that affect the self, not other people.
 

      I don't consider it an "accusation" since I have several 
friends who have powers that are considered unusual. The ability to
project thoughts and feelings that have an impact on others
is by far the most common of those abilities.
      I won't say too much about this because these messages are going
to the states where I understand fundamentalist christianity has taken
hold. And the bible does say "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
 
> >
> >And as for Nicky, witches don't have the power to knock a car off a jack 
> >or kill their parents with magick (well, maybe with a carving knife or a 
> >gun... but not magick :).  Witches are real; remnants of _The Omen_ and 
> >_The Bad Seed_ are so far only documented as fiction.  Don't confuse 
> >Satanism et al with Wtichcraft.  Two totally different things.
 

      Well, maybe the people you call witches don't have such abilities
but I have some reason to believe that people exist who can effect the
material world with their conscious or unconscious thoughts.
Just as a for instance, the poltergeist phenomenon is quite well documented.
> >

There is more and in heaven and earth than is dreamed on of
in your philosophy!
 
a.h.

This is one case where the dictionary is misleading.  My American Heritage
defines witch as "a woman who practices sorcery or is believed to have
dealings with the devil."  In the first place, sorcery, if it exists,
may be used for good or ill purposes (I don't want to argue about whether
or not magic exists; like the existence of God, it's not really one of
those things you can prove or disprove).  From my experience, the majority
of modern withces are concerned not with a new age cult, but with the
revival of pre-Christian forms of worship that involved natural spirits,
herb lore, etc., and which was stamped out during the spread of the
Christian faith.  Priests, fearing a rival religion, claimed (and perhaps
believed) that Wicca must be inspired by the devil.  Of course, witchcraft
could be used for evil purposes, so some witches doubtless did so, or
attempted to do so, and helped injure the reputation of the religion.
Finally, during the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, male doctors came
into competition with midwives, and claimed that they were witches in
order to eliminate them.  The term witch is actually one of the most 
misused in the English language.

In article <1991Jan24.034500.22655@nntp-server.caltech.edu> socalgas@eql.caltech.edu writes:
> >
> >        Has anyone noticed the distrubing similarities between TP and the
> >works of Henrik Ibsen? Does anyone want to talk about it? Does anyone care?
> >Is there anyone there? Am I being too obtuse? Should I just shut up and
> >throw a TP party for my closest friends?
> >                                    Fred.


GO FOR IT.  
If you've got ideas looking for an outlet, this is the place to let it
all hang out. And it is not as though we've got the entire
series all figured out. Perhaps we could use your help.

I missed last saturday's (1/19) episode (forgive me, grovel, whine, plead)
and didn't videotape it, either. Does anyone in the Ann Arbor area have a 
copy on VHS they could lend me for an evening? Send e-mail or call me at
(313) 763-3280 (work, weekdays from noon - 5pm) or (313) 763-6819 (evenings are
best, I'm usually grumpy in the morning.) I would greatly appreciate it.

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
|                   The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.          |
|  Internet: ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu, ewm@math.lsa.umich.edu       |
|  FishNet : salmon.swim.upstream@spawning.time  :-o ? ;->...:-) !  |
|                ..     ..                                          |
*----"Was nicht totet, hartet." - F. Nietzsche----------------------*

Does anyone have Albert's alliterative "d" quote from the first season,
which goes something like "...I've had enough of dolts, dimbulbs, dummies,..."?
If they could e-mail it to me, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I agree with all the netters who want to have Albert back, not the Gandhi
version, but the somewhat-lacking-in-the-social-graces version. I miss him,
too.

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
|                   The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.          |
|  Internet: ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu, ewm@math.lsa.umich.edu       |
|  FishNet : salmon.swim.upstream@spawning.time  :-o ? ;->...:-) !  |
|                ..     ..                                          |
*----"Was nicht totet, hartet." - F. Nietzsche----------------------*

My, we are becoming a classy!! group, aren't we?

Ibsen-esque touches may lend atmosphere; but stealing the plot of "The
Postman Always Rings Twice"/ "Body Heat" !

Come on guys! The hallmark of TP is pseudo originality :+)  :+)

WRITE WRITE.............................................

In article <1991Jan24.162339.19197@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, jkingdon@watserv1.waterloo.edu (John Kingdon) writes...
> >I'm not really sure why, but at some point during the opening scene, I got
> >the very clear impression that the symbol was supposed to represent the
> >silhouette of an owl,facing slightly to the right of the viewer, with its
> >wings spread.
> > 
> >Did anyone else get this impression?  Was I just free-associating?

To me the symbol looked a lot like the radiation symbol
****
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed do not in any way reflect those of my employer
****

A few days ago, I proposed that Laura Palmer may have been Wyndham Earle's
sacrificed queen.  I think it is interesting to note that Laura was named
the homecoming _queen_, and that her homecoming queen picture is still
shown at the end of every episode of Twin Peaks.  I think we may hear
from her again.

-- John Coppinger "You'll find that your left cuff link University of Kentucky will be communicating with your right johnc@s.ms.uky.edu cuff link via satellite" JOHNC@UKMA.BITNET -- Nicholas Negroponte

In article <15966@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> rmaeda@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (cd ~rmaeda/TwinPeaks) writes:

In article <1991Jan24.015526.19869@nntp-server.caltech.edu> you write:
>>> >>>Here are the episodes broadcast to date in USA, collected from the indis-
>>> >>>pensible summaries posted by Edwin Nomura (enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu):
>> >>
>> >>I'm not sure these Twin Peaks Times are correct.
>> >>
>>> >>>Lynch/Frost    
>>> >>>episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     Twin Peaks time
>>> >>>----------     --------------------     ------------------------
>>> >>>1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       Saturday eve. (cont.) 
>> >>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>                               should be:26 Feb (Sunday)
> >
> >The episode started on the Sat, but as you will see in the timeline,
> >it does take into account that the new day has started.
> >
>>> >>>1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.) ****
>> >>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >The episode started on the Wed, but as you will see in the timeline,
> >it does take into account that the new day has started.
> >
>> >>                               should be:02 Mar (Thursday)
>>> >>>1007           05/24/90, 09/15/90       Wednesday eve. (cont.) ++++
>> >>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>                               should be:Thursday eve. (cont.)
> >
> >It is!

So, basically what happened here is that I misunderstood what Keith
(dawson@epps.kodak.com) meant by "Twin Peaks Time."  It is the date
the episode _started_, not the date of the episode's main action.
So, all the first season times are correct from this point of view.
mea culpa.

>> >>
>>> >>>2001           09/30/90                 03 Mar (Friday) (cont.) [sic]
> >
> >Huh?

Yeah, I didn't know what Keith meant by this either.

>>> >>>2010           12/08/90                 15 Mar (Wednesday)
>> >>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>                               should be:14 Mar (Tuesday)
> >
> >Since the previous episode (2009) went through the night and into the next day,
> >I took "Three days later" to mean 3 days from Sunday, hence Wednesday.
> >

I see your point. You believe that the conversation b/w Tru, Coop,
Albert and the Major took place on Sunday morning. This may be
true, I see no way of telling for certain at this point. We'll
have to wait until they give us some more clues.

>>> >>>2013           01/19/91                 18 Mar (Saturday)
>> >>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>                               should be:17 Mar (Friday)
> >
> >I believe 18 Mar is correct, since this makes it the Saturday and none
> >of the teenagers are in school - though Invitation to Love is on. Maybe
> >it's on everyday? Remember when Shelley turned it off on a Sunday in 1002?
> >Though it sounded to me like a commercial...

I like the concept that ItL is on 24 hours a day every day in TP,
interupted only by news about mill fires and dead homecoming 
queens.

> >Thanks to David E. Coufal for all those transcriptions!

You're welcome.

> >Edwin Nomura

I also noticed two errors that Keith made in his Date(s) shown in the USA
column.  Here is the corrected list of episode airings:

Lynch/Frost    
episode #      Date(s) shown in USA     
----------     --------------------     
1000           04/08/90, 08/05/90       
1001           04/12/90, 08/11/90       
1002           04/19/90, 08/18/90       
1003           04/26/90, 08/25/90    <---Keith mistyped the 25 as 28
1004           05/03/90, 09/01/90       
1005           05/10/90, 09/08/90       
1006           05/17/90, 09/08/90       
1007           05/23/90, 09/15/90    <---Keith mistyped the 23 as 24

2001           09/30/90                 
2002           10/06/90                 
2003           10/13/90                 
2004           10/20/90                
2005           10/27/90                 
2006           11/03/90          
2007           11/10/90               
2008           11/17/90                 
2009           12/01/90                 
2010           12/08/90                 
2011           12/15/90                 
2012           01/12/91                 
2013           01/19/91                
-- -- David E. Coufal -- coufal@piglet.caltech.edu "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like. And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <1991Jan24.182943.25508@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >[theories about Denise's cross-dressing...]
> >1) perhpas the male role makes him tense for some reason and a female
> >identity frees him from that tension.

What role is this?  Ask 10 men and you get 10 answers.  I would hazard
a guess that walking around as a woman in our society is probably more
tense than as a man.  Men and women are treated differently.

> >3) perhaps he grew up with strong female models of behaviour and few
> >if any male role models so he knows how women should act but does not
> >know how to act as a male...

That would require growing up free from television, magazines, newspapers,
advertisements, and novels.  Unlikely.

> >4) perhaps as a man he is aware of the 'power' women have to cloud
> >men's minds and he wants to add that power to his arsenal of effective
> >weapons in his work. He is already a physically powerful, trained and
> >armed FBI agent, but perhaps being sexually desirably to the men he
> >works with makes him feel even more powerful and therefore more relaxed
> >and confident.

Not a bad theory.  It worked on Jean Renault.  If Jean Renault had been
homosexual the plan might not have worked.  Pretending to be a woman
only gives Denise control over some men but not others.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

 > >Huh?

 > Yeah, I didn't know what Keith meant by this either.

Didn't mean nothin', personally.

I produced this listing via grep, awk, and sort from Edwin Nomura's
Jan. 7th timeline posting. Both "Date(s) shown in USA" and "Twin Peaks
time" are taken unmodified (though reformatted) From that posting.

The [sic] means: this is how Edwin had it, but it doesn't seem to be 
consistent.
--
-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com
"Behind your efforts let there be found your efforts."

Sitting in the local Arby's with his baby brother and me, my three-year-old
Alan looked up fron his Adventure Meal and said, "These grapes are right on
the edge."  This was a bit unusual, but not too.  But all day long, he kept
shouting, "Road trip!  Road trip!"  Finally, when our housemate came home,
Alan told him, "Every day, once a day, give yourself a present."

Evidently in exploring our Macintosh Alan had come across a Twin Peaks
stack which we had downloaded consisting of various quotes from the
show.  You just click on the words, and the Mac plays the quote.  Of
course, being a three-year-old, Alan sits there and plays them over and
over and over, and his little brain records each one.

There must be some way to put this to good use.  The only thing I can 
think of is that he's going to teach himself to read, only instead of
"See Spot run." it's going to be "Damn good coffee!  And hot!" or
"Fire, walk with me."  But couldn't we teach him the periodic table
or something?  Tables of integrals?  If he can say, "Come on then!  My
log does not judge!" he should be able to remember "integral sinh x =
cosh x."

But for now I'll have to live with a little sqeaky voice running around
saying things like, "Next stop:  Rocket science!" and "We're going to
give Little Elvis a bath."  Sheesh!

--  maggie

Your anecdote about your kid learning stuff reminded of of what I did
when Kim was that age. For the reasons that you mention, I decided to
take advantage of that incredible capacity for retention and taught her
to singsong "The square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the ..."

She had it down perfectly in about 5 minutes! The only problem was that
we moved to Italy when she was in sixth grade, so she learned it in
Italian in school! But still, there was that wondrous day when she came
home with a big grin on her face and said "MOMMY, we learned about
the square of the hypotenuse!" 

Peggy Sweeney

Rx

Did someone post a summary of the 1/19 episode by any chance?  If so I can't
seem to find it by back searching.  Can someone mail me this post if one
does exist or send me a quick summary of what happened on 1/19.  I did
happen to catch the post on the opening scene dialog but have no idea what
else happened.

Thanks!!

-Jim
jimsa@blake.u.washington.edu

In article <910123.alexm@neon.stanford.edu>, alexm@neon.stanford.edu (Alex "Edward" Miller) writes:
> >then explains the recent doings of the Milford widow.  Because she is
> >truly Wyndham Earle, after she married Dougie, she had to immediatly
> >kill him, lest he find out that she was a he.  In all likely-hood,
> >Wyndham learned his art of entrancment from the school of Zen, making
> >a good counter to Cooper's Tibetan learnings.  This cross-dressing
> >of Wyndham makes him the evil half to Denise/Dennis and once again,
> >we see the theme of twins in Twin Peaks.  (as the title indeed shows
> >us.)

This is a kind of interesting theory.  Indeed, Wyndham would *HAVE* to
be some one who was introduced this year, because Wyndham escaped
around episode 2001 or so.  The widow is an excellent choice because
no one would suspect him, because he is SOOO feminine.  I definitely
give Wyndham points for a good ruse, well carried out.  My question
is, what is the significance of the story he told Hawk, about kissing
the boy with braces and causing his jaw to lock up?  It is probably some
hidden jibe to something in the past, possibly to the woman who
Cooper loved and let die.  Finally, who is Cooper's twin, now that
we know that Wyndham is Denise's?  And lastly, What *IS* behind the
waterfall?

wolter@cs.tamu.edu (Jan D. Wolter) writes:

> > For the nightmare theory:  When we are show Leo with the cake on his face,
> > we seem to hear him saying "Shelly".  However, his lips don't move.  He is
> > quite motionless.  As catonic as ever, only standing upright.  This suggests
> > a dream.

So why should his lips move? Do your lips move when you say "Shelley"? I 
he had said "Boopsie" without moving his lips , it woulda been more 
significant...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Does anyone remember the crippled (??) child Laura was tutoring way
back when ????  (was it Ben Horne's son ???)

Whatever happened to him ????

Could he be the dead guy at the chess board ??

It seems unusual that they would completely forget that 
character (although we never did see him).



Inquiring minds want to know.....me too.

THE best quote in TP must be after Albert Rosenfeld's 'I love you Sheriff
Trueman' speech when Cooper says 'Albert's path is a strange and difficult
one...'.Classic.
Does anybody know if Cooper said that previously 'cos I had a strange sense of
deja vu when he said it then....
<<B>> TFC

The same episode also had Albert's reference to Leo in his coma...
'Currently appearing as Mr PotatoHead in Twin Peaks hospital'.
:)
What a guy...
<<B>> TFC

While browsing through the postings in this newsgroup, I noticed that one vital
aspect of discontinuity with established history slipped by.  Namely, the South
did not win at Gettysburg, nor did they take Little Round Top as Ben Horn would
have us believe.
   North and South?  Black and White?  Is there a relation?  Maythinks, perhaps
there might be.  By the way, if the Great Northern has anything at all to do
with a place called the White Lodge, then there must be something under the
waterfall.  You never see a shot of the Great Northern without the cliff face
and the waterfall close by.
   One more thing.  The traffic lights are indicators of nothing more than it's
a small town setting.  In small towns where traffic control is superfluous, the
traffic lights switch at strange times for no apparent reason except that's
what they're timed to do.

In article <1675@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan24.182943.25508@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>[theories about Denise's cross-dressing...]
>> >>1) perhpas the male role makes him tense for some reason and a female
>> >>identity frees him from that tension.
> >
> >What role is this?  Ask 10 men and you get 10 answers.  I would hazard
> >a guess that walking around as a woman in our society is probably more
> >tense than as a man.  Men and women are treated differently.
 

I agree that in fact there is no role but find that some men believe absolutely
in what *they think* the role is to the point where they believe that the
role is absolute and unescapable. Such men (in my limited experience) will
sometimes go to extremes (like cross-dressing) to try to escape their limits.
> >

>> >>3) perhaps he grew up with strong female models of behaviour and few
>> >>if any male role models so he knows how women should act but does not
>> >>know how to act as a male...
> >
> >That would require growing up free from television, magazines, newspapers,
> >advertisements, and novels.  Unlikely.
 
I didn't mean that such a man would have no exposure to male-type behaviour
but just that he would not be familiar *enough*  with it to feel natural
in the role, instead he would feel like an actor putting something on.
This could happen to a boy who was raised by a strong mother and older
sister and who found their actions and feelings impressive and who identified
with them. There are men around who learned how to be strong and how
to be active in life by their mothers, not their fathers.

a.h.

   Also what about Ronette?  Did Phillip Gerard die of withdrawal?

Hopefully I can contribute something meaningful to this discussion (I think
I've read and/or seen most of Ibsen's plays - including "When We Dead Awake".)

Was the person who originally suggested a connection thinking of a specific
Ibsen play? "When We Dead Awake", for example?

The interesting thing about "When We Dead Awake" is that it uses symbolism
rather than the realism used in Ibsen's other works.

Richard.

In article <48442@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@apple.com (scott douglass) writes:
|> Sitting in the local Arby's with his baby brother and me, my three-year-old
|> Alan looked up fron his Adventure Meal and said, "These grapes are right on
|> the edge."  This was a bit unusual, but not too.  But all day long, he kept
|> shouting, "Road trip!  Road trip!"  Finally, when our housemate came home,
|> Alan told him, "Every day, once a day, give yourself a present."
|> 
|> Evidently in exploring our Macintosh Alan had come across a Twin Peaks
|> stack which we had downloaded consisting of various quotes from the
|> show.  You just click on the words, and the Mac plays the quote.  Of
|> course, being a three-year-old, Alan sits there and plays them over and
|> over and over, and his little brain records each one.
|> 
|> There must be some way to put this to good use.
               ...
|> --  maggie

Hmmm...seeing as your little Nicky - ooops, of course I mean your little Alan,
is so delightfully curious, you may be on to something here. I think you
should insert a few quotes which may be more useful into your machine,
such as:

  "The Riemann curvature tensor tells us how close the given connexion
   is to being Euclidean",

  "I think the mathematics of models for dynamical systems which exhibit
  dominantly dispersive behavior, solitary wave regions or blowup in
  finite time, all depending on the value of a single parameter or set
  of n parameters, are really neat",

  "This week, I learned about symplectic geometry and evolution of
  near-integrable systems on smooth manifolds in day care",

then get that kid to your friendly local well-endowed institution of higher
learning and retire early. Good luck!

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
|                   The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.          |
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*----"Was nicht totet, hartet." - F. Nietzsche----------------------*

I don't know if this counts as inspiration or not, but the
following two facts just became juxtaposed in my mind.

The *very last* time we saw "Invitation to Love" in the 1st 
season was when Leo Johnson was shot, & lapsed into a coma.

The *very first* time we saw (well, heard, be picky then!)
"Invitation to Love " in the 2nd season was when Leo Johnson re-
covers from his coma.

Could there possibly be a connection?  

"Everything beyond the consumer's need is violently held."Thomas Aquinas
George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

In <1991Jan24.183433.29649@athena.mit.edu>, jlschwar@athena.mit.edu writes:
> > first truly supernatural storyline.  That would have been David's ghost friend
> > Sarah.  It was not known whether she was a figment of David's imagination or a
> > true ghost, until the one episode where she was shown alone on camera.  In the
> > words of Lela Swift, "We've crossed over."
> > 
Sorry, not quite right again.

I checked with my wife, who watched the entire series when it was
originally aired.  She says that the first supernatural storyline
started at the very beginning of the show when David made friends with
the ghost of Josette Collins, who appeared in her own protrait at the
old house.

Sarah did not appear until Barnabas showed up, so those two storylines
fit together, but do not represent the first of such.  You are quite
correct that the first "monster" storyline began with Barnabas'
appearance.

My wife says the show was better before Barnabas arrived, but if that's
true then it continuously declined thereafter.  Personally, I like the
whole Barnabas and post stuff, although when they went into parallel
time towards the end, they really lost it.

> > For more information read _My Scrapbook Memories of Dark Shadows_ by Kathryn
> > Leigh Scott.
> > 
An excellent reference.  I must add, though, that the complete storyline
summary gets pretty thick unless you're an avid fan.

BTW, for those who don't know it yet, the "Premiere" episode of Dark
Shadows (the new series), which was destroyed last week by Tom Brokaw
and his gang of "Gee I don't know what's going on either but let's
speculate for an hour or so" cronies in the Pacific Time zone, will be
airing tonight on NBC at 9PM PST, followed at 10PM by this week's show.

Too bad CBS couldn't see fit to do the same for Knots Landing - last
week's show has thus far simply been canceled with no plans to air
before next week's show (so we miss an hour of multi-day storyline plot
and it looks like some very important-to-the-show events will be
skipped).  Write an complain, quickly, if you care.

We now return you to alt.tv.twin-peaks - apologies for the interruption.

-- Mark A. Hull-Richter UUCP: ccicpg!mhr Clever remark stolen from ICL North America InterNet: [coming soon] another netter: 9801 Muirlands Blvd Go ahead, flame me. I have Irvine, CA 92713 (714)458-7282x4539 a /dev/null on my machine.

In article <91025.115833JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu> JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >While browsing through the postings in this newsgroup, I noticed that one vital
> >aspect of discontinuity with established history slipped by.  Namely, the South
> >did not win at Gettysburg, nor did they take Little Round Top as Ben Horn would
> >have us believe.

Which is why Bobby told Audrey "the good news" was that under Ben the
South was about to win the war.  Ben is obsessed with what might have
been. 

> >   One more thing.  The traffic lights are indicators of nothing more than it's
> >a small town setting.

Now how on earth would you know that?  There's no reason mundane
details and symbolic meaning can't exist quite happily together.  Ever
hear of TS Eliot and the "objective correlative"?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

In article <1991Jan21.210514.2215@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> > 
> >     Oooooooo....I thought it was creepy as all get-out that Leo had cake
> > smeared on his face and wore a party hat.  That sneer told Shelley and us that,
> > even though he was catatonic, he was aware of everything going on around him.
> > That really scared me--I screamed and woke up my SO, who wouldn't have
> > understood, anyway.  THINK about it!--Leo could hear everything between Shelley
> > and doofus-head, all those weeks.  I don't think Leo is a Bob-vessel.  He
> > doesn't need Bob-energy to be BAD.
> > 

YES! YES! YES!

Not only did he have that cake on his face and he party hat, but he hung
the balloon on the light as well.

YIKES!

But I liked the idea about it being Shelley's dream.  All her guilt would
make her believe that Leo knew everything, and therefore ise it against her.

sam

In article <91025.115833JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu> JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >While browsing through the postings in this newsgroup, I noticed that one vital
> >aspect of discontinuity with established history slipped by.  Namely, the South
> >did not win at Gettysburg, nor did they take Little Round Top as Ben Horn would
> >have us believe.

I thought this was because Ben Horne was trying to replay history his own
way, much as he might want to redo his own life.

Piece of trivia:  Lee's horse was a grey horse named Traveller, a very
famous horse.  Grey horses turn white with age.  I thought at first that
the little white horse Audrey was kneeling on would be Traveller, but it
wasn't...guess I'm reading too much into this.  Well, that's what a.t.tp
is for, isn't it?

Kathleen
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu

In article <91023.153512ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA>, ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA (Linda Birmingham) writes:
> > I have been thinking about the dead body at the end of Jan. 20 show.
> > If WE is responsible, maybe he made the body to look like Cooper's
> > dead lover from Pittsburg, albeit in a very obscene manner?
> > That would explain the wig and the attempt to make a male look female.
> > 
> > Just a thought.

There's been lots of speculation about the body and now I just want to add
my $.02 worth.  When I saw the body, I didn't even think it was real, but
because all those around me did, we replayed it MANY times.  I still think
it's just a mannican(sp) or whatever that looks ALOT like Cooper (check out
the chin), wearing Den(n)is(e)'s wig and somebodies glasses (the log-lady has
been suggested).

Maybe Craig McLaughlin(?) is Kyle's twin brother!!

Did it strike anyone else that perhaps this wasn't a real body at all?

Samantha

I post only to USA sites, saves spoilers and bandwidth!

In article <1991Jan24.185214.26686@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >     There are two ways to define "witch".
> >One way is to accept the self-definitions of people who have claimed
> >the word for themselves and who identify as 'witches".   
> >The other way is the common language way, a loose term used casually to
> >refer to many things. For instance, I called the widow a witch
> >because I think she is a person with powers that are out of the ordinary.

And there's the Twin Peaks way.  I think that you have to look at how
"witch" is defined by how it is used in the show.  TP seems to have
its own definitions of "demonic possession" and "coma" (and probably
several other things) that don't necessarily apply in "reality".  The
other Milford brother (which one's Dwayne and which is Dougie?)  said
she was a witch.  She seems to have the ability (or "power" if you
prefer) to "entrance" men.  Beyond that, we don't really know what
"witch" means in TP.  What else it involves--pentacles on her living
room rug, or reciting the Lord's prayer backward, or riding flying
broomsticks, or just conveniently coincidental things
happening--remains to be seen.

> >      Well, maybe the people you call witches don't have such abilities
> >but I have some reason to believe that people exist who can effect the
> >material world with their conscious or unconscious thoughts.
> >Just as a for instance, the poltergeist phenomenon is quite well documented.

If you want to get into all this, there's other groups for it.  Let's
not do it here.


--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <jms.2408@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:

> >In January 1988, a paper titled "A Situation Report On Our Acquisition of
> >Advanced Technology and Interaction With Alien Cultures" was circulated
> >among the UFO research community.  It eventually was digitized and posted
> >on various BBSs, sometimes more as a curiosity than anything else.  Written
> >under the pseudonym "O. H. Krill" (an inside joke in some circles), it
> >contains a bizarre account of all aspects of the modern UFO phenomenon and
> >the alleged truth behind them.

> >Part of the paper mentions the White Lodge and attempts to put it into an
> >extraterrestrial or ultradimensional context.  I've reproduced this portion
> >below for Twin Peaks fans.

> >-----

> >Secret
> >societies believe that there is a Great White Lodge on earth. They
> >call it Shamballa -- and consider it to be the spiritual center of
> >the world. [...]
> >     The entrance to Shamballa on earth is usually placed in the
> >trans-Himalayan region. Some assert it is in the heart of the Gobi
> >Desert (where there have been allegations of crashed disks 

Crashed disks? So that's what I'll users here from now on -- it wasn't
dust or worn out heads that made your disk crash, it was UFOs!  I
wonder if Symantec Utilities is holding me back from greater
enlightenment.

(Apply smileys liberally.  Repeat as necessary.)

(Seriously, that was a great article, Jim.)




--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >Twin Peaks has reached a higher plain of excellence after the LP storyline.
> >Instead of having a crowd of hip-sters out to catch the latest fad, we
> >have moved to focused crowd of people who enjoy fine literature, philosophy,
> >and intellect as well as visual, symbolic, and mythic reflection.

I hope you realize how snobbish this sounds.

Come on, TP is a just a show.  A damn GOOD show, but a show nonetheless.
You don't have to be Mr. or Ms. Intellectual to watch it.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

xxmartn@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> >Does anyone remember the crippled (??) child Laura was tutoring way
> >back when ????  (was it Ben Horne's son ???)

Johnny Horne.  I believe he was autistic, though.  Not crippled.

> >Whatever happened to him ????

Good question.  Last time we saw him was at Laura Palmer's funeral.
He was the one yelling "Amen! Amen!" at the end of the minister's
eulogy.

> >Could he be the dead guy at the chess board ??

No, it definitely wasn't Johnny Horne.  I don't think it was anyone
we've seen on the show so far.

> >It seems unusual that they would completely forget that
> >character (although we never did see him).

It is odd that we haven't heard from Johnny (or Sylvia) Horne lately.
But Johnny has appeared in several Twin Peaks episodes.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

In article <1991Jan25.132509.3088@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, xxmartn@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov writes...

} Does anyone remember the crippled (??) child Laura was tutoring way
} back when ????  (was it Ben Horne's son ???)

Yes, it was Ben Horne's son. But he wasn't crippled, he was autistic.

} Whatever happened to him ????

Who knows?

} Could he be the dead guy at the chess board ??

Doubtful. The two are played by different actors (on the other hand, Johnny
Horne was played by a different actor in the pilot than in the series).

} It seems unusual that they would completely forget that character
} (although we never did see him).

Not unusual. They've forgotten other characters. Like Sylvia Horne (Ben's
wife), Gersten Hayward (Donna's second sister), Harriet Hayward (Donna's
first sister, who only showed up once after the pilot), Eileen Hayward
(Donna's mother, who has shown up a few times, but is for all practical
purposes forgotten). James' mother -- who he mentioned was back in town,
but we haven't seen her yet. And Mr. Neff (the insurance agent), Mr.
Wolchek (the high school principal), et alia.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Want your very own postcard from TP?  Send me a postcard from your place-
of-residence, including your address (of course!), and I'll send you one
from TP (actually Snoquamalie Falls, and no, the inside looks nothing like
the inside of the Great Northern Lodge, but the Mar-T dinner has _great_
food - pies, tuna sandwiches, and coffee (if you're not already addicted
to esspresso).

My address is:
Laurie Kleiner
815 35th Avenue
Seattle, WA
98122-5205

Theme:  ice skating, waterfalls, or your towns' most recognized landmark.
Actually, the tackier/stranger (think TP, here!), the better. 

Best Card So Far:  Wild water fountain in San Diego (?) that was used as
the Vulcan set in one of the Star Trek movies.

Best Request:  A card from Dale to Andy's wife as a practical joke!  (Andy, 
sorry, can't mail you direct.  Glad she liked it!!)

REMEMBER:  You mail my e-mail address in any way, shape or form, and I will
strike your name OFF the list forever.  I never log in and you'll be wasting
net time.  SNAIL MAIL ONLY!  I mean it.

Hope to hear from you!  (And I still think Cooper is a travel agent in his
spare moments.  I can't believe Lynch wasted such a perfect set up...)

Laurie

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Kleiner llkl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Old enough to know better, stupid enough to do it anyhow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

     I think that the radiation symbol also 
resembles a snow angel.

     Re: Dream theme - Admittedly, many of the 
images and occurences in TP are dream-like.  But 
I doubt that the show is *about* a dream, 
because that would be the ultimate cop-out ("And 
then he woke up.  It was all just a dream.").  I 
prefer to think that the dream logic is a way of 
subverting or circumventing our defense 
mechanisms like dreams do.  I think that this is 
one of the things that allows TP to affect us in 
ways that ordinary reality could not.

     In a way, TP is like a shared lucid dream.  
And we're all on the couch together, trying to 
figure out its meaning.



lilj - WELL

       "There's an angel standing in the sun
        And he's crying in a loud voice . . . "
                     Peter Gabriel - "Supper's Ready"

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> >sturner@attcan.UUCP (Samantha Turner) writes:
> >

> >When I saw the body, I didn't even think it was real, but because all those
> >around me did, we replayed it MANY times.  I still think it's just a
> >mannican(sp) or whatever.....

Consider this: in the credits/cast, there was an actor's name (I forget what the
name was) that played the part of "Dead Man" or somesuch.  Do you think the TP
people would get an actor to play the part of a mannican or such?

Did the 26 Jan episode appear anywhere else out there, or has TP
been cancelled?  I turned on my TV tonight to the Pittsburgh ABC aff.
to find a show about wrestlers!  ACK!

If someone else has seen the 26 Jan episode and has a videotape of it,
it would be greatly appreciated if you could send mail to one of the
addresses in the .sig in reply.

THanks!

jen
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(Timothy Newsham) writes:
>> >>sturner@attcan.UUCP (Samantha Turner) writes:
>> >>When I saw the body, I didn't even think it was real, but because all those
>> >>around me did, we replayed it MANY times.  I still think it's just a
>> >>mannican(sp) or whatever.....
> >Consider this:in the credits/cast, there was an actor's name(I forget what the
> >name was) that played the part of "Dead Man" or somesuch.  Do you think the TP
> >people would get an actor to play the part of a mannican or such?
Considering the antics they have played with credits before, it could be
yet another ruse...
Brian

Recently on Mystery Science Theater 2000, there was some footage of an
owl on the screen.

Comment by one robot to another:
"The owl footage is not what it seems."


                           - Sasha

In article <5389@husc6.harvard.edu> burns@das.harvard.edu (John Burns) writes:
> >For example:  There was no indication of concrete supernatural activity
> >at the beginning of the show.

I disagree; certainly as early as the first episode of the first season
(following the two-hour series pilot) there were strong hints of the
paranormal, which many people at the time ignored.

> >The theory that my cell of TP watchers
> >had developed at the end of the first season was that Leland had abused
> >Laura as a child, had descended into murder, and had finally killed
> >his own daughter.

This was all discussed at length some months ago, and while it's not a bad
idea it's also relatively mundane compared to what actually happened.  If
they'd chosen that course, they'd have had to explain a lot of the events
in the series that defied "normal" explanation..

> >Notice that until the second season, we had no reason to believe
> >that the one-armed man was really the Mike of the dream.

We saw the one-armed man in the hospital in the series pilot, and again in
Cooper's dream a couple of episodes after that.  We had different people
seeing Bob in visions.  It was quite clear from that point onwards that
no completely "natural" explanation would suffice.  Cooper's dream marked
the turning point at which the series entered the realm of the supernatural,
and it happened in the first season.

> >  Suddenly we were supposed to believe that inhabiting spirits [...]
   ^^^^^^^^

I question this use of the word "suddenly"; they built up to it over a period
of months.  The diary was published back in the fall, and all the evidence
is in there (as an aside, does anyone archive alt.tv.twin-peaks?  Many of
us knew 'way back in the fall what was going on, in surprising detail).

> >   Sorry for all the grumbling.

And I apologize if this posting seems critical of your ideas, but I find it
hard to understand how anyone can call the entry of the supernatural into
Twin Peaks "sudden".

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

   Did anybody else think the pile of stuff Ben was building in his office
before he joined the Confederacy was a reference to the last episode
of NORTHERN EXPOSURE?

In article <Vu8Fw2w163w@cs.fau.edu> sasha@cs.fau.edu (david a. tumarkin) writes:
> >Recently on Mystery Science Theater 2000, there was some footage of an
> >owl on the screen.


 No ram chip for You,  little Sasha-Rasha!  Thats MST 3000!

> >Comment by one robot to another:
> >"The owl footage is not what it seems."

 Hit the button,  Frank!


> >                           - Sasha
Sproooiiiinnnnggggg!  :-)

Bud


-- William K Glunt | Are you ABNORMAL? U of Kentucky Math Dept.| Then you are probably better than most people! 606 258 8864 | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW | WORLD? from _The book of the SubGenius_

In article <kbcYSq_00WB64Uj18O@andrew.cmu.edu> jq07+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Quirin) writes:
> >Did the 26 Jan episode appear anywhere else out there, or has TP
> >been cancelled?  I turned on my TV tonight to the Pittsburgh ABC aff.
> >to find a show about wrestlers!  ACK!

It was great!  Cooper continued his search for property in Twin
Peaks--he's now obsessed with living off the land and recycling.  The
scene where Andy got head stuck in the Clivus Multrum was great.
Shelley and Leo made up; Leo seems to have mellowed considerably
because of his trauma.  Audrey seems to be falling into the clutches
of some sort of pipe-smoking guru type who runs something called the
Church of the S-somethingorother (we couldn't see the whole word),
Donna pulled off a daring rescue of James--boy does he look silly in
women's clothes!--and we get some insight into why Lucy's hair looks
that way.  The Wyndham Earle plot went nowhere--the shot we saw of him
introducing himself in the previews turns out to be from a commercial
for a used-car dealership!

Questions and thoughts:
--what the heck was Johnny Horne doing driving a *police car*??
--anyone notice that Leo seems to have one of those three-triangle
  symbols tatooed on his hand?
--the food fight between Pete, Doc and Ben was stupid--and where did
  they get the pie?  There was no pie there at the beginning of the scene?
--I'm glad Dick is finally dead, though of *course* they had to
  mention that he had a twin brother.  Sheesh.
--So Andrew Packard is a *diabetic*. . . hmmm. . . 
--anyone notice the llama turned up again?  Can Dr. Bob Lydecker be
  far behind?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

Does anybody know an FTP site where I could get Twin Peaks Sounds,
preferably in a format that SoundMaster could use? And, while i'm at it-
where could I FTP Twin Peaks pictures in a format that New Backdrop can
read?
I hate to ask it, but would it be possible for whoever replies
to reply to me by e-mail, as well as over the net? I ask the former
because I haven't quite gotten the hang of this RN thing (I'm a new
user) and the sheer volume of posting in this news group would make it
hard for me to read through everything. I ask the latter because I
imagine other people would like this info as well.
Thanks!

Jacob Weinstein

     In a prior post I said that I thought that 
the dream hypothesis was false.  I just wanted 
to clarify that I was referring to the "TP is 
just a dream" hypothesis, not the "Leo's 
recovery is just a dream" hypothesis.  The 
confrontation between Shelley and the 
newly-awakened Leo was so masterful precisely 
*because* it straddled the line between 
horrifying reality and nightmare. 

      Of course, in TP, that line is exceedingly 
fine to begin with if it exists at all.  This is 
another example of how the creators of the 
series are keeping us guessing about the very 
premises of the series, which keeps it so 
horribly wonderful.  In this one strange way, TP 
is very realistic - i.e., like life, we discover 
the rules as it unfolds, and as it unfolds, we 
realize that things are not what they seem.


lilj - WELL

In article <4897@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <kbcYSq_00WB64Uj18O@andrew.cmu.edu> jq07+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Quirin) writes:
>> >>Did the 26 Jan episode appear anywhere else out there, or has TP
>> >>been cancelled?  I turned on my TV tonight to the Pittsburgh ABC aff.
>> >>to find a show about wrestlers!  ACK!
> >
> >It was great!  Cooper continued his search for property in Twin
> >Peaks--he's now obsessed with living off the land and recycling.  The
> >scene where Andy got head stuck in the Clivus Multrum was great.

I tuned in late and missed that scene. Could someone send me a tape? 
(Beta, please.) I'll gladly reimburse you.

> >Shelley and Leo made up; Leo seems to have mellowed considerably
> >because of his trauma.  Audrey seems to be falling into the clutches
> >of some sort of pipe-smoking guru type who runs something called the
> >Church of the S-somethingorother (we couldn't see the whole word),
> >Donna pulled off a daring rescue of James--boy does he look silly in
> >women's clothes!

Yes! HA-HA! The image of him on his bike in a miniskirt was priceless!
Pure Lynch!
--
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rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> >Questions and thoughts:
> >--what the heck was Johnny Horne doing driving a *police car*??

Good question.  If you listen to him carefully while he is
mumbling, you can almost hear him say something about owls.
At least I think that's what he was saying.

> >--anyone notice that Leo seems to have one of those three-triangle
> >  symbols tatooed on his hand?

YES!  I wonder when they had time to abduct Leo.

> >--the food fight between Pete, Doc and Ben was stupid--and where did
> >  they get the pie?  There was no pie there at the beginning of the scene?

Think about it.  This happened in the RR where pies abound!

> >--I'm glad Dick is finally dead, though of *course* they had to
> >  mention that he had a twin brother.  Sheesh.

I know what you mean.  I breathed a sigh of relief when little Nickie
finally offed Dick, but when his twin brother showed up, I almost
vomited.

> >--So Andrew Packard is a *diabetic*. . . hmmm. . .

Huh?  I don't remember that...

> >--anyone notice the llama turned up again?  Can Dr. Bob Lydecker be
> >  far behind?

Scary thought.  A better question might be if the OAM can be far
behind.

All in all, though, the 26Jan episode was pretty awesome.

Brett
--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

   And they got Agnes de Pesto as a temp while Lucy was applying for work as
a waitress at the RR

In article <1991Jan27.232350.2946@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   And they got Agnes de Pesto as a temp while Lucy was applying for work as
> >a waitress at the RR

ARE you all Bsing or did this episode take place?  I saw no
listing of it whatsoever, and although KVIA is the shittiest excuse for
a network affiliate there is (they rarely if ever show an entire week's
worth of stuff without something gettin gshuffled somewhere or dropped),
I was under the impression that there was no episode for 1/26/91..

Don't PLAY with our minds like that!

If the episode DID happen, can someone get me a copy?

Bob

In article <1843.guest@life.ai.mit.edu>, Guest Account (guest@life.ai.mit.edu) writes:
> >Whoever said the Wydham Earle plot was not advanced on Saturday was
> >*WRONG*  Look carefully again at the scene where we see Leo appear, with
> >the three triangles on his neck.  Doesn't it look an AWFUL lot like he's
> >wearing a rubber mask?  'Nuff said.

By jove, I reviewed my tapes, and he's correct.  Leo *IS* wearing a mask.
This leads to some interesting conjectures.  Is Leo really WE now, are
has WE simply been introducing "pawns" into Twin Peaks, replacing real
people?  Is the 3-triangle symbol a brand?  This would imply that the Major
too has been taken over.  My best guess right now is that WE has some type
of powerful mental power, and has been influencing things since the beginning,
even from his prison.  I think this will really put a lot of things in 
context.

Since it is now obvious that Wyndham Earl is in Twin Peaks AND since he 
is supposed to be a master of disguises, we probably have already been 
introduced to him.  This was a hot topic a while ago, but interest seems 
to have dropped.  Can anyone make a list of the characters introduced 
since Albert told Coop, "Bad news Coop, Wyndham Earl has escaped."?

It seems the plot has changed from WKLP to WIWE.

sf

In article <6231@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> >
> >If the episode DID happen, can someone get me a copy?

Normally I'd be able to send you one, but I had troubles with 
my VCR last night--didn't realize it wasn't running until
we saw the scene with the mark on Leo's hand--I wanted to play
it back to get a better look at it later, and that's when I
realized that the VCR hadn't been taping.

Damn!



--Mike


P.S. I'm with Brett--I missed the bit about Andrew Packard's being
a diabetic.



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | "That information, as I have repeated infinitely mnemonic@eff.org | to myself, is classified ... though the keeping Electronic Frontier | of secrets ... seems less meaningful to me now." Foundation | --Major Garland Briggs

bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> >rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

>> >>Questions and thoughts:

>> >>--I'm glad Dick is finally dead, though of *course* they had to
>> >>  mention that he had a twin brother.  Sheesh.

> >I know what you mean.  I breathed a sigh of relief when little Nickie
> >finally offed Dick, but when his twin brother showed up, I almost
> >vomited.

No! No! No! You were fooled.  The fact that the Mysterious Guy showed
up in the background just >after< Dick mumbles his dying message to be
sent to his twin brother, doesn't mean that the Mysterious Guy is his
twin brother.  It's Jonathon.  (I thought it was Pete at first, but
after freeze framing it's >clearly< Jonathon).

(Did anyone else notice that the one shot of Invitation to Love didn't
mirror or foreshadow the TP action very well?  Or, at least, not as
well as last season -- TP is definitely slipping)

> >Brett
> >--
> >bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
> >brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
> >                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
> >                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

Well, the Chicago Tribune TV listings for this week state that Leo Johnson will
return to full life in this upcoming Saturday's episode.  So, Shelley and
Bobby could be wall wipings by 2/9/91.  

Just thought people would like to know...


-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

In article <kbcYSq_00WB64Uj18O@andrew.cmu.edu> jq07+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Quirin) writes:
> >Did the 26 Jan episode appear anywhere else out there, or has TP
> >been cancelled?  I turned on my TV tonight to the Pittsburgh ABC aff.
> >to find a show about wrestlers!  ACK!
> >jen

[Thanks to all who composed the marvelous followons to this.]

The previews at the end of the 1/19 show said that TP would be back in _two_
weeks.  Nobody got to see a new TP this weekend.

For the record, the pilot shown was perhaps the most horrendously wretched
piece of crap of the decade, or the current decade plus the 80's.  It wasn't
even campy fun -- it was purely and simply stupid.   I've forgotten its
name already.

I mean, they could have shown _real_ fake wrestling, or "Great Moments of
Petticoat Junction, and come out ahead.

And if TP was behind in its shooting, they could have shown one of the
"China Beach" episodes they have in the can.  ABC has no respect.



-- | phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG | Phil Gustafson | {ames|pyramid|vsi1}!zorch!phil | UN*X/graphics consultant | sgi!gsi!phil | 1550 Martin Ave., San Jose CA 95126 | phil@gsi | 408/286-1749

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

> >   And they got Agnes de Pesto as a temp while Lucy was applying for work as
> >a waitress at the RR

Yeah, it was a real thrill to see her again.  

So, I was sort of surprised at the resolution of the James subplot.  I mean,
who would think that even someone as dumb as him would agree to play with fire?
The way in which he took care of Evelyn, Jeffrey and the chauffeur was at
the same time grotesque and fascinating, and utterly Lynch.  It is a supreme
pleasure to have him directing again.  Such a pity it won't last.

Incidentally, did anyone else catch the subtle foreshadowing at the end of
the episode?  In the note that Audrey takes from her father's desk?  I
was able to freeze on the words on the paper.  Using my computer to blow it
up, I read the following:
hguorht eht krad fo erutuf tsap
Eht naicigam sgnol ot ees
Eno stnahc tuo neewteb owt sdlrow
Erif, klaw htiw em.

siht edopsipe reven deneppah
Eseht elpoep era gnittihsllub uoy
Txen edosipe si no yraurbef 2
No 19/91/1 ti dias "Ni Owt Skeew"

I'm not sure what the note means, but the suddenly serious expression on 
Audrey's face after she reads it leads me to suspect the worst.  Any ideas?


-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

In article <1991Jan24.182943.25508@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> > For some reason I'm really curious about why Dennis/Denise
> > finds women's clothes "relaxing" considering that the women
> > I know all feel that standard feminine garb is the opposite of
> > relaxing.   
> > [...interesting theories deleted...]

You're theories are quite good, but they seem to be taking the word
"relaxing" a bit too literally for me.  I won't claim to have a lot of
experience in this area, but a friend of mine (who experimented with
this to some degree some time ago) says that, for him, it is a case of
feeling a strong "feminine component" to his personality.  That is,
there is a part of him that "feels like a woman", and, correspondingly,
desires to behave more like one.  I should point out that the man is
bi-sexual, but *far* more "straight" than "gay", and is by no means
"swishy" or stereotypical.

If Denise is like my friend, then "relaxed" just means that the tension
between feeling feminine and having to act masculine (including attire)
is releaved when he can put on the dress and release those feelings.  He
may very well "put his panties on one leg at a time" and remain
heterosexually oriented.  Most cross-dressers are.

By the way, I find the slash form of her name (Dennis/Denise) odd.  If
she wants to be thought of as a woman, she should be addressed as such
and called by her name.  It was only for that one mission that she chose
to "pose" as Dennis.  
Just MHO, but a point of sensitivity for any who may meet transvestites
(or transexuals)....

==========================================================================
Jeff Shaevel                                shaevel@shaevel.austin.ibm.com
"...and it *was* love, even if it was only for a few hours." -- R. Chesley

In article <48442@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@apple.com (scott douglass) writes:

> > Evidently in exploring our Macintosh Alan had come across a Twin Peaks
> > stack which we had downloaded consisting of various quotes from the
> > show.  You just click on the words, and the Mac plays the quote.  Of
> > course, being a three-year-old, Alan sits there and plays them over and
> > over and over, and his little brain records each one.

Heh, heh.  I can recall that I wasn't much older than that when the
musical "Hair" came out.  We were living in New York, and my parents saw
the play and bought the album.  Being a music nut (even that young I was
able to use the record player quite handily) I played the record over
and over.  Much to my parent's chagrin I managed to memorize the
entirety of the song "Sodomy" and showed a talent for breaking into
renditions of it in supermarkets, with their friends, etc.  I had *no*
idea what any of it meant (until later....:-)

==========================================================================
Jeff Shaevel                                shaevel@shaevel.austin.ibm.com
"...and it *was* love, even if it was only for a few hours." -- R. Chesley

In article <1991Jan28.014951.25456@Neon.Stanford.EDU> michaelg@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Greenwald) writes:
> >bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
>> >>rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

>>> >>>--I'm glad Dick is finally dead, though of *course* they had to
>>> >>>  mention that he had a twin brother.  Sheesh.

>> >>I know what you mean.  I breathed a sigh of relief when little Nickie
>> >>finally offed Dick, but when his twin brother showed up, I almost
>> >>vomited.

> >No! No! No! You were fooled.  The fact that the Mysterious Guy showed
> >up in the background just >after< Dick mumbles his dying message to be
> >sent to his twin brother, doesn't mean that the Mysterious Guy is his
> >twin brother.  It's Jonathon.  (I thought it was Pete at first, but
> >after freeze framing it's >clearly< Jonathon).

Whew, I'm glad someone else saw that scene my way.  I didn't think
that guy (if it *was* a guy) was Dick's twin.  Dick just said "must
tell Ned. . . my twin, you know. . . we never. . . got on too well,
you see." etc., and then in the next shot we see this "guy" watching.
When Brett said it *was* Dick's twin, I couldn't figure out what I
missed.

On the other hand, I didn't see it as Jonathan either.  Could it be
what's his name, Eckert?  But what would the whole Nick'n'Dick
storyline have to do with Eckert anyway?  (Of course, now that the
secret of Nicky's parentage is out of the bag, anything could happen.)
Oh well, I'm sure it'll all be made clear in about six months.

> >(Did anyone else notice that the one shot of Invitation to Love didn't
> >mirror or foreshadow the TP action very well?  Or, at least, not as
> >well as last season -- TP is definitely slipping)

Oh, I don't know.  Fist fight = food fight . . . not too shabby, I
think.  Good to see Chet survived last season, by the way.  :)


Things We Saw: log truck, sprinklers
Things We Didn't: traffic light, owl
Things I Couldn't Make Out: the special in the RR--<garble> stew?


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

In article <1991Jan28.032044.2105@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:

[regarding James' freakout]

> >The way in which he took care of Evelyn, Jeffrey and the chauffeur was at
> >the same time grotesque and fascinating, and utterly Lynch.  It is a supreme
> >pleasure to have him directing again.  Such a pity it won't last.

So. . . was the actor playing Jeffrey the same guy as the black
general that talked about what a great pilot the Major was, a couple
episodes back?  We couldn't decide.  It sure looked like him, but it
seemed so unlikely.

You know, even while James was completely losing it, he was *still*
boring.  I suspect he'll be out of action pretty soon, though.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

In article <1991Jan28.004427.10251@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

> >P.S. I'm with Brett--I missed the bit about Andrew Packard's being
> >a diabetic.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong (that's never happened before!)--what else
would Packard be doing with all that insulin?  That *was* insulin,
wasn't it?


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

In article <1991Jan28.014951.25456@Neon.Stanford.EDU> michaelg@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Greenwald) writes:
> >bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >
>> >>rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
>>> >>>Questions and thoughts:
> >
>>> >>>--I'm glad Dick is finally dead, though of *course* they had to
>>> >>>  mention that he had a twin brother.  Sheesh.
> >
>> >>I know what you mean.  I breathed a sigh of relief when little Nickie
>> >>finally offed Dick, but when his twin brother showed up, I almost
>> >>vomited.
> >
> >No! No! No! You were fooled.  The fact that the Mysterious Guy showed
> >up in the background just >after< Dick mumbles his dying message to be
> >sent to his twin brother, doesn't mean that the Mysterious Guy is his
> >twin brother.  It's Jonathon.  (I thought it was Pete at first, but
> >after freeze framing it's >clearly< Jonathon).

Jonathan, as I recall, was oriental. The "twin brother" didn't
look even vaguely oriental. He *did* look a lot like Dick. I
think it was his twin.

I'm still betting that Nicky isn't a BOB-vessel, though. Let's
face it, as a vehicle for pure evil, a child Nicky's age doesn't
have the options an adult has.

> >(Did anyone else notice that the one shot of Invitation to Love didn't
> >mirror or foreshadow the TP action very well?  Or, at least, not as
> >well as last season -- TP is definitely slipping)

I can deal with that. ITL is just window-dressing. The thing that
really bothers me is that, in the last scene in the sheriff's office,
Lucy was starting to show a noticeable bulge in the abdominal area.
Don't these people bother to keep track of how much time has passed
in TP? She's barely over three months pregnant; she can't possibly
be starting to show it yet.

Oh, one other thing. I thought the vials that Andrew was counting
were morphine, not insulin. I don't think insulin comes in the
vials with glass snap-off tops.

One final thought: the Donna/James reunion and escape was completely
asinine. I mean, what was the point of all that build up, the obvious
con that Evelyn and her "brother" were running on James, then this
incredible let-down ending to the thread? It's like they let an 
amateur writer finish off a part of the story they were tired of, 
and said amateur decided they needed another transvestite to complete
the usual TP duality.

It's really hard for me slam an episode that Lynch directed, but
this one wasn't very good. It goes to show that no director
can overcome such bad writing.

-- Dave Mack

In article <4897@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <kbcYSq_00WB64Uj18O@andrew.cmu.edu> jq07+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Quirin) writes:
>> >>Did the 26 Jan episode appear anywhere else out there, or has TP
>> >>been cancelled?  I turned on my TV tonight to the Pittsburgh ABC aff.
>> >>to find a show about wrestlers!  ACK!
> >
> >Questions and thoughts:
> >--what the heck was Johnny Horne doing driving a *police car*??

Lynch *has* to be trying to say something with this. It sure as
hell wasn't a "style" scene, like the wind repeated shots of the
wind blowing through the firs, or the traffic light. It seemed to
have no connection with anything else we've seen. Unless...BOB
entered Leland when he was "young and innocent". Who's more young
and innocent than Johnny Horne?

> >--So Andrew Packard is a *diabetic*. . . hmmm. . . 

Say what? Where did you get this?

> >--anyone notice the llama turned up again?  Can Dr. Bob Lydecker be
> >  far behind?

Not to nitpick, but the brown markings mean that it was an alpaca,
not a llama.

-- Dave Mack

In article <1991Jan27.232350.2946@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   And they got Agnes de Pesto as a temp while Lucy was applying for work as
> >a waitress at the RR

I hated her. When she suduced Andy I thought for sure Lucy would walk in, 
but she never did. The wardrobe was *good* though. :-)



-Matt Brockaman

In article <4900@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan28.004427.10251@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> >
>> >>P.S. I'm with Brett--I missed the bit about Andrew Packard's being
>> >>a diabetic.
> >
> >I dunno, maybe I'm wrong (that's never happened before!)--what else
> >would Packard be doing with all that insulin?  That *was* insulin,
> >wasn't it?

I was under the impression that it was vials of Blue Goo (tm).
This would explain the way that Andrew Packard was able to throw
Nadine around like he did.  Think about it.


-Matt Brockman

In article <27A36097.13487@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
>> >>Questions and thoughts:
> >
>> >>--anyone notice that Leo seems to have one of those three-triangle
>> >>  symbols tatooed on his hand?
> >
> >YES!  I wonder when they had time to abduct Leo.

Whoa! The Major was fighting them tooth and nail; of course it took some
time to convert him. Leo - Mr. Potato Head - wouldn't have taken any
time at all.

>> >>--the food fight between Pete, Doc and Ben was stupid--and where did
>> >>  they get the pie?  There was no pie there at the beginning of the scene?
> >
> >Think about it.  This happened in the RR where pies abound!

So what, the scene was still stupid. At least Ben isn't a Civil War
general any more, but now he seems to be drifting toward one of
the Three Stooges. Ben's character seems to have reached its zenith
with the scene of him watching the home movies after his defeat by
Catherine, and now its about to auger in to total inanity.

Was anybody else surprised that Jerry still hadn't shown up?

>> >>--anyone notice the llama turned up again?  Can Dr. Bob Lydecker be
>> >>  far behind?
> >
> >Scary thought.  A better question might be if the OAM can be far
> >behind.

I thought the OAM died after being questioned as MIKE in the Great
Northern.

> >All in all, though, the 26Jan episode was pretty awesome.

You have to be kidding. This was the worst episode Lynch has
directed. In fact, with the pathetic letdown of the James/Evelyn
thread (which wasn't worth much to begin with) I'd nominate this
as one of the worst episodes of TP to hit the air so far.

-- Dave Mack

In article <APPEL.91Jan27184731@soda.ocf.Berkeley.EDU> appel@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
> >In article <1843.guest@life.ai.mit.edu>, Guest Account (guest@life.ai.mit.edu) writes:
>> >>Whoever said the Wydham Earle plot was not advanced on Saturday was
>> >>*WRONG*  Look carefully again at the scene where we see Leo appear, with
>> >>the three triangles on his neck.  Doesn't it look an AWFUL lot like he's
>> >>wearing a rubber mask?  'Nuff said.
> >
> >By jove, I reviewed my tapes, and he's correct.  Leo *IS* wearing a mask.

You need a better VCR. It's not a mask. Something is happening to Leo's
skin. Remember how Leland's hair turned white over night? I'm starting
to think that all the people who guessed that Leo would be the next
BOB-vessel were right.

-- Dave Mack

sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes (in article <1991Jan28.025908.29355@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>)...

|.  So, Shelley and
|Bobby could be wall wipings by 2/9/91.  

Ahem.  Please.  This is a public net.  The PC term is, I believe, 
worm chow.

I remain,
-- ___________________________________________________________________________ "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of | SILENCE=DEATH chocolate bunnies." -- Dale Cooper | Live free or shut up. Hey! I didn't eat the mousse! -Meaning of Life | js9g@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

In article <1991Jan28.032044.2105@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
> >ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
>> >>   And they got Agnes de Pesto as a temp while Lucy was applying for work as
>> >>a waitress at the RR
> >
> >Yeah, it was a real thrill to see her again.  

Yeah, except that it wasn't the actress who played Agnes dePesto. It
looks a little bit like her, but it definitely wasn't her.

> >
> >Incidentally, did anyone else catch the subtle foreshadowing at the end of
> >the episode?  In the note that Audrey takes from her father's desk?  I
> >was able to freeze on the words on the paper.  Using my computer to blow it
> >up, I read the following:
> >hguorht eht krad fo erutuf tsap
> >Eht naicigam sgnol ot ees
> >Eno stnahc tuo neewteb owt sdlrow
> >Erif, klaw htiw em.

[etc]

Interesting. I seem to remember reading something about mirror-writing
being common among autistics. This would tie in with Johnny Horne's
suddenly-developed ability to drive a car.

This would seem to trash my theory that Leo is the new BOB. Unless
BOB is bouncing back and forth between Johnny and Leo? Unlikely.
Which would mean that the Major Briggs/Leo/radiation-symbol thread
probably isn't directly connected to the BOB thread. If so, it's
just as well. The whole thing was getting a bit too Byzantine for
me.

-- Dave Mack

In article <6231@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> >
> >If the episode DID happen, can someone get me a copy?

I have made a copy of the 26Jan episode available for anonymous FTP
from UUNET.UU.NET.  It is located in
/pub/video/twin-peaks/tp-gif[0000001-837487343], with each file
being a frame from the episode.  PLEASE do not ask me to mail these
to you if you do not have internet access.  I will be very busy over
the next few weeks and will be unable to respond to any mail requests.

Each file has been compressed, then encrypted with the key
"WhiteLodge" (case sensitive).

#Ron

michaelg@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Greenwald) writes:
>> >>No! No! No! You were fooled.  The fact that the Mysterious Guy showed
>> >>up in the background just >after< Dick mumbles his dying message to be
>> >>sent to his twin brother, doesn't mean that the Mysterious Guy is his
>> >>twin brother.  It's Jonathon.  (I thought it was Pete at first, but
>> >>after freeze framing it's >clearly< Jonathon).

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >Whew, I'm glad someone else saw that scene my way.  I didn't think
> >that guy (if it *was* a guy) was Dick's twin.  Dick just said "must
> >tell Ned. . . my twin, you know. . . we never. . . got on too well,
> >you see." etc., and then in the next shot we see this "guy" watching.
> >When Brett said it *was* Dick's twin, I couldn't figure out what I
> >missed.

Oh come on Rod...  Even though the "mystery man"'s figure was sort of
a silhoutte, you could tell it HAD to be Dick's twin.  The same silly
hair style, the same penchant for tres chic clothing, the same stupid
smirk (*yes*, you CAN make out the smirk).  And Michael, I don't under-
stand how you could possibly think it was Jonathan.  The hair was
enough to exclude him.

I suppose we'll find out next Saturday, though.

On another note, I wonder what Nadine's going to do to Ed now that she
knows about him and Norma...  She just might follow through on that kiss
of death.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

 Has anybody figured out Albert's "Not Hate, retaliation etc. but Love. I
love you sheriff Truman."???
 Did he only say that to avoid getting an eye, or ????

 P.S. Don't flame me for misquotation, it is NOT an exact quote, I know.

 bims@freja.diku.dk

Do you want to play with fire, alt.tv.twin-peaks readers ?


    BOB

In article <1991Jan28.085754.5523@iesd.auc.dk> BOB writes:
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)Do you want to play with fire, alt.tv.twin-peaks readers ?
)       BOB
No, and not with idiots from Denmark either.  Get a clue.

In article <1991Jan24.182943.25508@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
> >
> >For some reason I'm really curious about why Dennis/Denise
> >finds women's clothes "relaxing" considering that the women
> >I know all feel that standard feminine garb is the opposite of
> >relaxing.
> >
I'm sorry for jumping on this, but this is the second time it
has been said that women don't find female clothes relaxing.
I work all day in a sitting position and to be perfectly frank
a dress is a lot more comfortable than pants. In fact I'm always
more comfortable in a dress and as far as social pressure I find
I'm under more pressure to wear casual clothes (ie. jeans on
weekends) when I would prefer not to. All you have to do is buy
clothing the right size.

This has nothing to do with trying to project a feminine appearance
or living up to social standards, it is simply a case of comfort.

> >2) perhaps keeping his mind occupied with trivial concerns like keeping
> >his knees together, balancing on heels and keeping his hose on
> >straight distracts him from more disturbing obsessions and worries.

As a woman, I have never thought along these lines why assume that
because Denise is new to the attire he would.

3) deleted

> >4) perhaps as a man he is aware of the 'power' women have to cloud
> >men's minds and he wants to add that power to his arsenal of effective
> >weapons in his work. He is already a physically powerful, trained and
> >armed FBI agent, but perhaps being sexually desirably to the men he
> >works with makes him feel even more powerful and therefore more relaxed
> >and confident.

I can not believe that any man would think he would gain more power
as a woman, particularly since woman have been demanding greater self
control for decades.

Denis stands to lose a lot for chosing to become a woman.  He will
be subjected to ridicule from some of his peers, possible dismissal from
his job and probably physical harm from the unenlightened members of
our society.  He will probably sacrifice a lot more power/control than
he'll ever gain.

> >Just theories. I'm not really very confident about any of them. Feel
> >free to jump in with other suggestions. For some reason I am really
> >very curious about cross-dressing.

There are several very good autobiographies out there, of which
I can not think of the names, about men who have been transexuals.
It became quite a fad to publish these stories when that tennis player
changed from being a man to woman (unfortunately his name has
escaped me as well).  Also, there is a fair amount of information
in most psychology books.  Until recently, it was quite popular to
treat transexualism as a mental illness and on par with homosexuality.
Plus because transexuals stood out more from the typical homosexual,
they were subjected to much more extensive treatment and research
even though their occurrence is rarer.



 Linda
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HELP!!

I'm seeing comments from people about a 26-JAN episode that was NOT on
in the Twin Cities area because of a Timberwolves game.  Was there
really an episode shown in other parts of the country?

I could have sworn that during the previews shown after the 19-JAN
episode that they said "In Two Weeks."  Are we Twin Citians behind
a week now?

In article <13263@ccicpg.UUCP> mhr@ccicpg.UUCP (MHR {who?}) writes:
> >In <1991Jan24.183433.29649@athena.mit.edu>, jlschwar@athena.mit.edu writes:
> >My wife says the show was better before Barnabas arrived, but if that's
> >true then it continuously declined thereafter.  Personally, I like the
> >whole Barnabas and post stuff, although when they went into parallel
> >time towards the end, they really lost it.

That's when I stopped watching the original series.  The first "parallel
time" chapter was interesting but then they started jumping into 
parallel universes whenever they needed some new story lines.  (BTW:
I prefer the original Julia Hoffman to the new one.  In fact, most of
the new actors don't live up to the "gothic" feel of the series.)

> >We now return you to alt.tv.twin-peaks - apologies for the interruption.

OB Twin Peaks comments:

We now have a billboard along the freeway advertising the Hyatt hotel
(two towers).  The caption reads:  Albuquerque's Twin Peaks.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

Since TP wasn't on, I rented Blue Velvet. (Thanks to all of you who sent
a synopsis).  "Hardy boys go to Hell" may have been the best description
I received.

While I like Twin Peaks, I did not really find Blue Velvet to be entertaining.
Interesting, yes.  

Oh well, it filled the gap.

Susan

In article <1991Jan28.060955.24293@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:

> >Was anybody else surprised that Jerry still hadn't shown up?

Not really.  Snappy pacing isn't really one of the strong points here.

>>> >>>--anyone notice the llama turned up again?  Can Dr. Bob Lydecker be
>>> >>>  far behind?

Hey--maybe it was a *vicuna*!

> >You have to be kidding. This was the worst episode Lynch has
> >directed. In fact, with the pathetic letdown of the James/Evelyn
> >thread (which wasn't worth much to begin with) I'd nominate this
> >as one of the worst episodes of TP to hit the air so far.

Dave you ignorant slut.  What about the Clivus Multrum scene?  What
about Coopers speech about saving the earth?  What about the Sungenius
references?  Definitely Emmy material.  (kidding)

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?" --Diogenes

Okay who's pulling my leg...  OUCH Stop that..!!!!!  Was there REALLY a show
on 1/26...  ????  If so I am pleading with someone to make/send me a copy..

Please contact me and I will send you $$ or a blank tape for a copy

Thanks
Susanne Ramsey

ramsey@sundance.llnl.gov
(415)423-9530
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   The truck in the preview looked like Leo's to me.  I think the hitchhiker
getting in was Nadine.

Paul Raveling, where are you now? You simply MUST save this entire
thread and get it into the hands of your Frost contact.

Two cheers for R o d for starting the most prolific and creative
thread in the history of this newsgroup. Now every TPless Saturday
can be followed by an explosion of collective invention and mass
fantasy on alt.tv.twin-peaks.
--
-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com
"Behind your efforts let there be found your efforts."

In article <2398@beguine.UUCP> rslugg@uncmed.med.unc.edu (Robert Slugg) writes:
> >
> >I post only to USA sites, saves spoilers and bandwidth!

Why can I read this in Denmark then ???


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PEAKS' TWIN : Now for the weirder than weird spot. Anyone see Blake Edward's
1962 thriller, Experiment in Terror, on TV the other night? Notice the name
of the town Lee Remick's character lives in? Twin Peaks. And the name of the
asthmatic murderer she is threatened by? Red Lynch.

The Guardian (a British newspaper), January nth 1991.

       How come no snobbish hipsters complained about the lack of show last
Saturday? Geesh, you guys are so inconsistent. Not one panicky remark.."Oh no!
They have cancelled my reason to live!" etc.

     The tennis player was Rene Richards( played in the tv movie by Vanessa Red
grave). Also Ed Wood, the notorious director of PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE, was a
cross-dresser and I believe wrote about it himself or was written about in his
biog. by others. He had quite a philosophy on the subject I think.

No one has mentioned the sheer humor of this episode.  My wife and
I were rolling on the floor!  Especially at the look on Cooper's
face in the final scene--a classic.

I'd make copies of the episode for those of you who need it, but
unfortunately I left it sitting around & my dog ate it!

Gary B.

siri@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Brenk) writes:

> >In article <2398@beguine.UUCP> rslugg@uncmed.med.unc.edu (Robert Slugg) writes:
>> >>
>> >>I post only to USA sites, saves spoilers and bandwidth!

> >Why can I read this in Denmark then ???

Because neither your posting nor Robert's has a Distribution: field in the
header. Shame, shame.