Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

Here is a thought I came up with while reading a.tv.t-p a few minutes
ago.  What if the Giant is the LL's husband?  We have seen other
deceased people in the Lodge(s), so why not her husband, especially
if he died "fighting the fire" (BOB).  We have hypothesized that BOB
may be able to jump hosts, so perhaps the Giant can jump between
Senor Droolcup and Margaret's log?



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In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
 >In article <91171.155916KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu> KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
 >
 >>Referring to the palindrome, Wow,Bob,Wow:
 >. . .
 >>Comments?  Theories?
 >
 >It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.

Error! (sterilize, imperfection)

...it's "mom, qoq, mom" upside down.

 >The twin-peak theme is expressed in the dual points of the W/M, and in
 >the double W's of "wow", and in the double-wow's of the palindrome.

Let's not forget the valleys...the area between the peaks.  Heavy metaphysical
references follow:
  the valley of the shadow of death
  valley of the dolls
  big valley
  valley girls

The similarities between these powerful literary works and Twin Peaks is
obvious. 
  
 >Just as the double-W's of "wow" represent the twin peaks with the town
 >of TP between them, the palindrome as a whole represents the twin
 >"wow"s of the lodges with the mundane world between them--and Bob is
 >in the place represented by the mundane world.

When did Bob go to Cleveland?

 >The reversed-ground version of "mom, pop, mom" is "pop, mom,
 >pop"--Donna's dilemma.  And the two "pop"s are the "horns" (i.e.,
 >peaks) of the dilemma.

I'd say "qoq, mom, qoq" was most definitely one Mrs. Hayward's (rhymes
with 'wayward') favorite pastimes.  You got the "horn" part right.

 >I can keep this shit up all day.
 >-- 
 >    Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 
 >
 >             "All wax is wedding wax"  --Gertrude Stein

Analyze this one: "satan oscillate my metallic sonatas".  Answers must be
deeper than whale shit and touch on all fundamental Peaksian interpretive
concepts: Astrology, grail legends, chess strategy, zen, mysticism, and
strong black coffee.
       
jimbo       
wowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobwowbobw

In article <4198@dali> ieevlsi2@ming.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:
> >What language is it that Jones and Eckhart work speaking when they
> >first arrived in TP?  Sounded like Russian to me.  Don't know if
> >it's relevant.  

They were speaking Afrikaans, a language derived from Dutch which is one of
the official languages of South Africa.  Notice that, after Jones is
arrested for trying to kill Truman, she wants to speak with the South
African ambassabor.
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ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
> >I didn't get to tape the final 2-hour episode while I watched it,
> >and I got a phone call during the scene where the Haywards & Hornes are
> >gathered, then Ben dies...

I don't think you can assume that Ben Horne died.  I've reviewed the
tape several times, and he is still breathing while lying unconscious
on the floor.  Besides, we see Doc Hayward at Coop's bedside in a later
scene (yes, I know, people have been screaming "Continuity Error!" over
this one).

> >What was the connection between all of these people? I know that Ben
> >is Donna's father, but how was Mrs. Horne related in all of this? I thought
> >I heard the word "incest" in the heated conversation that led up to Ben's
> >death, but I was very unclear about what happened.

Incest?  Never heard it, but how strange that would be.  A lot of people
who have tried to explain Donna's bad acting would have to eat their
shorts if that were true -- her bad acting would have been justified! :-)
(Just kidding, I've never thought she was a bad actress -- she's just been
given poor lines).

> >Could someone e-mail me the info -- what was the connection and what
> >was all that that happened in the room leading up to Ben's death? Did Doc
> >Hayward slam him against the fireplace??

Well since I've already replied to your article, there's no use in putting
the rest through email.  Basically, Eileen Hayward and Ben Horne are
sitting/standing in the living room near the house's entrance when Donna
walks down the stairs carrying a suitcase.  She sees Ben, a few words
are exchanged, something along the lines of "Who are my parents anyway."
Will Hayward comes home, Will sees Ben, Donna bursts into tears crying on
Will's shoulder "You're my daddy" over and over again, Will gets pissed
off, Ben apologizes for being truthful, Sylvia Horne pops in, Sylvia
says something like "Haven't you done enough to this family already?",
Will loses it and throws a punch at Ben, Ben is thrown against the fireplace,
Ben hits his forehead and falls back unconscious, Will loses it even more
while Donna cries.

There.  How's that?

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   "Through the darkness of future past..."

   Hmmmm.... So the FUTURE of Twin Peaks will be in a movie about its
DARK PAST...

   Hmmmm....

   Say, you don't suppose they've been planning this all along, do you?

   Nahhhhhhh.......

Add one more to the mailing list, that is if it isn't too late!

Thanx.


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In article <9106251324.AA2895@cas.org>, lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) writes:
|> Anyways, during the opening, when we were shown what had happened last time,
|> I stopped the tape and wondered why I had not noticed before that when
|> the giant appeared, the circle of spotlight that highlited him also
|> highlited 4 letters on the banner above his head.  The banner read:
|> 
|> 20th Anniversary Twin Peaks
|> 
|> or something close to that.  And the letters highlighted were:
|> 
|> Anni

Bloody illiterate then, wasn't he? :-)

Sorry folks, it's just the mood I'm in today...dee dee dee....tum te tum....

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In article <9106252313.AA12297@lilac.berkeley.edu>, C491153@UMCVMB.BITNET ("John Schultz") writes:
|> Here is a thought I came up with while reading a.tv.t-p a few minutes
|> ago.  What if the Giant is the LL's husband?  We have seen other
|> deceased people in the Lodge(s), so why not her husband, especially
|> if he died "fighting the fire" (BOB).  We have hypothesized that BOB
|> may be able to jump hosts, so perhaps the Giant can jump between
|> Senor Droolcup and Margaret's log?

But didn't the LL see the giant? Remember at the Roadhouse when Coop saw him 
in place of the band (Julee thingy's band) and he said "It is happening again"?

In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> > In article <91171.155916KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu> KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> > 
>> >>Referring to the palindrome, Wow,Bob,Wow:
> > . . .
>> >>Comments?  Theories?
> > 
> > It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.

Errr...I hate to put a damper on this wonderful theory of family significance 
but "Wow, Bob, wow" upside down comes out as "Mom, qoq , mom"

Does this mean there is phallic symbolism involved somewhere?...

> > I can keep this shit up all day.

Hmmmm... :)


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In article <3916@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>> > >
>> > >It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.
> >
> >...it's "mom, qoq, mom" upside down.

"mom, pop, mom" is what you get if you reflect.
"mom, qoq, mom" is what you get if you rotate.

Clearly reflection is the more appropriate operation, as indicated by the
backwards recording in the Black Lodge, as well as the other disorienting
features there.

Also, isn't "wow" an acronym for "witch of west", indicating that Annie is
the sister of Caroline, witch of east (or "woe" for short)?

In regards to the question as to who the new Annie may be, it could either be
Laura since she was in the Lodge too, and/or it may be Windom's wife who Dale
supposedly was the cause of her death.My theory is that the black and white
lodges are somehow connected and that the girls were able to jump from one
lodge into the next trying to regain life in the same way that Bob had been
able to do. Either that or they were already in the Black Lodge, sucked in
there by Bob to lure in Cooper for his or Earle's body and the girls saw their
chance to escape and took it.

Just something to make you go, hmmmmmm....


Jon

In article <1991Jun23.015207.6569@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM
(Christopher Russell) writes (quoting Annie):
> >"I don't want to look like a demented babie-doll."

Wasn't that "a demented Barbie doll"?
Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu
"How's Annie?....oh, she's OK, just a mild case of Frost bite..."

In article <91174.213844KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes
(about the LMFAP):
> >seems to provide helpful clues to what is forthcoming.  And he doesn't ever
> >refer to himself--- he says things as other people might.  "She's my cousin."
> >This is why I still feel that "The next time you see me, it won't be me." is
> >about Cooper's possession, and not himself.

Hmmmm....maybe Maddy and the LMFAP are the same.....
Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu
"How's Annie?....oh, she's OK, just a mild case of Frost bite..."

In article <1991Jun26.111012.11956@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> caap15@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (Magenta) writes:
> >In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>> >> In article <91171.155916KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu> KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>>> >>>Referring to the palindrome, Wow,Bob,Wow:
>> >> . . .
>>> >>>Comments?  Theories?

>> >> It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.

> >Errr...I hate to put a damper on this wonderful theory of family significance 
> >but "Wow, Bob, wow" upside down comes out as "Mom, qoq , mom"

Oh, yeah.  Sorry, upside down *and* mirror-reversed (obvious
twin-theme relevance here).  Thanks.  :)

> >Does this mean there is phallic symbolism involved somewhere?...

Oh *hell* yes.

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In article <10340038@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:

> >It's GLASTONBURY, not Glastonberry.  

Not in Twin Peaks it isn't.


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In article <10340038@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:
> >It's GLASTONBURY, not Glastonberry.  Let's fix this before it spreads!
> >Glastonberries don't make particularly good pie.

The spelling of the King Arthur version may very well be 
Glastonbury.  However, since the "finale" doesn't ever show us this
spelling, the next best source is the access guide which spells it
Glastonberry.

Rocky Giovinazzo

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / caap15@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (Magenta) / 12:10 pm  Jun 26, 1991 /
|> 
|> It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.
|
|Errr...I hate to put a damper on this wonderful theory of family significance 
|but "Wow, Bob, wow" upside down comes out as "Mom, qoq , mom"

Try a mirroring operation instead of a rotation to get it upside down.  Mirrors
are more in-keeping with TP anyway.

cheers..........
  Martin Wink...
  etc...........

"Look, I don't mean to be rude, but..."

I would very much like one, too.

And if the "Fire, walk with me" poem excerpt is quoted too I will be 
thouroghly excited.

By-the-way, who wrote that? Mr Lynch Himself?

--kicko
--"No nifty quotes as of yet"

kicko@fy.chalmers.se

In article <3916@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
}In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
} >
} >It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.
}
}Error! (sterilize, imperfection)
}
}...it's "mom, qoq, mom" upside down.

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!

Sorry, but both of you are wrong.  It is:

Mom` Bop` momi

upside down.

;^)

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Sick riddle of the month:
    What do you call a man with no arms or legs in a swimming pool?

In article <1991Jun24.195830.7037@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu>, Ron_Pritchett@uscacm.cs.scarolina.edu writes:
> > 
> > In the next to last episode, during the announcement for the season, finale
> > there was some morse code in the background. Has anyone deocded this message?
> > 

It was just a cheap sound effect.  One dot, two dots, three dots, four dots.
(That "spells" "ETSH".)
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In article <10340038@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:
> > It's GLASTONBURY, not Glastonberry.  Let's fix this before it spreads!

Um.  It's one way in the King Arthur Legend, and the other way in the TP
Access Guide.
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In article <1991Jun26.152750.21902@risky.ecs.umass.edu>
giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <10340038@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
writes:
>> >>It's GLASTONBURY, not Glastonberry.  Let's fix this before it spreads!
>> >>Glastonberries don't make particularly good pie.
> >
> >The spelling of the King Arthur version may very well be 
> >Glastonbury.  However, since the "finale" doesn't ever show us this
> >spelling, the next best source is the access guide which spells it
> >Glastonberry.
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo
> >

Yup. Who says the people in the TP area who named the grove had to spell it the
same as the abbey. However, there are some interesting parallels between the
area shown on the Access map (and the pictograph) and features of the
Glastonbury site in England. I'll post them later.

-Rich Haller

Did anybody else notice in the last episode before the finale that 
(right after "When Jupiter and Saturn meet... They will recieve you"
that Major Briggs said what sounded like something BACKWARDS??? I tried
to make it out by recording it and then putting a twist in the tape.
It came out as "[unintelligible] knew you'd come". BOB knew you'd come, maybe?
Is this old news? Or am I on to something here?
-Also, after NUMEROUS rewatchings, I believe that the person who said "I'm waiting
for you" in the Red Room (after Sarah delivered her message to the Major) was not the
LMFAP, but Wiindom Earle.

Dave Platt
Winnipeg,
Manitoba,
Canada
"Secrets are dangerous things, Audrey" -Dale Cooper

Today on CBC Radio's "Morningside" they had an interview with the author of
a play about Esther Cox, a girl who lived in Amherst, Nova Scotia in the
19th century. She was haunted by a ghost that caused incredible
disturbances. The ghost (a true poltergeist) was named... ...(yes) Bob. As
well, the ultimate manifestation of this ghost was when Esther's barn caught
on fire.

The other interesting thing about this was the author's description
of a poltergeist. According to him, poltergeists attack young girls in their
adolescence after they have had a threatening sexual experience, until they
come to terms with their sexuality. Sounds like Laura to me. The
poltergeist's M.O. (external incidents) doesn't match BOB's, however. Any
comments? Anyone?

Dave Platt Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
"Secrets are dangerous things, Audrey" -Dale Cooper.

In article <1991Jun26.181107.10015@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
> >
> >Sick riddle of the month:
> >    What do you call a man with no arms or legs in a swimming pool?

BOB

-- Ed

In <1991Jun26.195229.21746@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> walsh@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh) writes:

> >I suppose I'm almost convinced "One and the same" referred to SDC and
> >TMFAP, but...when I was watching the show, my impression was that
> >after TMFAP spoke the line he and the giant sat in exactly the same
> >position and stared at Cooper with the exact same expression, and
> >their faces seemed to look completely alike.  So I thought he meant
> >TMFAP and the Giant were one and the same.  Was it my imagination?


My impression was that it was SDC and the Giant who were one and the
same.......I could be wrong....but they always seem to be in the same
scenes together.

Rebel
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In article <1991Jun25.230656.4519@ducvax.auburn.edu> morrison@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> >
> >   "Through the darkness of future past..."
> >   Hmmmm.... So the FUTURE of Twin Peaks will be in a movie about its
> >DARK PAST...
> >   Hmmmm....
> >   Say, you don't suppose they've been planning this all along, do you?
> >   Nahhhhhhh.......

Actually, I interpret "Through the darkness of future past.." in the following
way.  The furure past means the future of the past.  In our time frame, the
present, that means the past.  So there was some darkness in the past...

So I don't think they, meaning Frost and Lynch, planned this movie all along.

Of course, I have been wrong before.   

"One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair hair remover,
 just to see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful."
                                                 --- David Lynch 

Special Agent Dale Cooper
shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania

Someone explain this to me; everyone in the Red Room we saw with clouded
eyes seemed to be from the dark side (Leland, the Laura with the incredible
set of lungs, and the doppleganger Cooper).  But Carolyn's eyes also appeared
clouded while Annie's appear clear and Carolyn didn't seems particularly
wired like the rest.  Any significance?

And just how many entrances to the White/Black Lodge are there?  I doubt
that Carolyn died out there in the woods too all those years ago.

I'm still confused (but then who isn't)


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I suppose I'm almost convinced "One and the same" referred to SDC and
TMFAP, but...when I was watching the show, my impression was that
after TMFAP spoke the line he and the giant sat in exactly the same
position and stared at Cooper with the exact same expression, and
their faces seemed to look completely alike.  So I thought he meant
TMFAP and the Giant were one and the same.  Was it my imagination?

Yes, that was a typo...I meant SDC and the Giant, not TMFAP...

In article <1991Jun24.111222.21668@panix.uucp>, jhawk@panix.uucp (John Hawkinson) writes:

|>
|>>No, no, no.  That was "Redrum, Redrum!"  as in Murder spelled backwards.
|>
|>Actually, Redroom, is Moorder, which is pretty close to Tolkein's Mordor:
|>

Well, that's nice, but...  If you recall the scene from The Shining, we 
actually see the word "Murder" spelled out forwards in the mirror.  The
kid writes it backwards in blood on the wall, and the mother sees it in
the mirror.  

but RedRoom *would* have been more amusing in this context.

--bob

The following is summarized from a entry in a book called 'The Encyclopedia of
Witches and Witchcraft' by Guiley.

Glastonbury is the site of an Abbey in which King Arthur and Queen Guinevere
are supposedly buried. It is at the foot of a 500' terraced mountain called
Glastonbury Tor which once had a stone circle at the top. There is a well at
the foot of the tor called the Chalice Well where Joseph of Arimethea
supposedly threw the Holy Grail. It is also called the Blood Well. It is fed by
a spring that has a lot of iron oxide in it hence reddish color of water. The
water supposedly has healing properties. South of the tor is a 10 mile in
diameter circle of zodiac signs.  UFO enthusiasts claim there is unusually high
UFO activity around the tor.

There is no mention of a grove associated with Glastonbury. The only tree
associations I could find were an ancient thorn tree (Hawthorne).  I don't
think Coop meant to imply that there was a grove at the other Glastonbury. The
name just suggested to him the other place and its association with King
Arthur, et cetera.  Likewise I now think the 12 trout were significant only in
their number since there were twelve trees in the sycamore grove, and not a
literary allusion per se.  Twelve is, of course, the number of the zodiac and
is ultimately associated withe the lunar calendar.

The tor, the well, the zodiac, and the UFO activity have too many parallels
with the area around Glastonberry Grove to be coincidental.  More later.

In article <1991Jun26.203917.15900@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> brlw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
> >My impression was that it was SDC and the Giant who were one and the
> >same.......I could be wrong....but they always seem to be in the same
> >scenes together.

The red room scene was the only one in which the LMFAP and the Giant
appeared together.

Rocky Giovinazzo

redroom!  redroom!  redroom!  *TIC*

Seriously, I give the ending a major thumbs-up.  David Lynch knew what the
audience wanted, and he refused to give it to them.  (Kinda like "Fall Out",
as someone said.)  He staged long drawn-out scenes, explained nothing, and
tossed out a giant cliffhanger even when he knew that ratings were shaky
at best.  All in all, a wonderful in-your-face to the conventions of normal
network drama(mine).  And who knows, ten years down the road (a la Fall Out
again) we might even understand it...  That was his best gift to the fans,
leaving them things to puzzle over.

Am I alone in hoping that there won't be a thirtysomething-style TV movie
wrapup, or a 25-years-later redroom flick, or even a prequel that gives it
all away?  Those would spoil the fun.  If they do a prequel, it should be
just about Laura Palmer and her death -- stark, realistic, like the pilot --
and leave the fans the pleasure of wondering what it all means.

OK, spoiler break...

There.  About the question of how BOB took control of Cooper -- does anyone
here remember Hawk's explanation about ten episodes back?  You must confront
your shadow-self to make it into the Place of Perfection (OK, mixing Indian
and Buddhist metaphors, but close enough).  Confront, not run from.  The
fact that Coop ran away meant that he wasn't able to face his dark half
(afraid of his own shadow, eh?), and therefore automatically it won.

As BOB almost said, you can't ask for someone's soul -- you have to be strong
enough to take it, and they have to be weak enough to let you.  Laura Palmer
was strong.  Leland wasn't.  And apparently Dale Cooper wasn't -- at least
till the next season...

Oh well.  Sigh...

Are you aware that
"wow bob wow"
upside down is
"mom pop mom"
?...

You don't think devoting two years of your life was worth it because of a
depressing cliffhanger, so you're not going to watch the one chance you
have for a (relatively) happy ending?

If we followed that logic, we'd have given up the show around episode 13 of
this year, when the scripting started to get pathetic.  But we stuck it out
because we were looking forward to there being an ending.  Are you going
to give up now?  :)

Well, if you haven't already read my message, I agree that David Lynch never
intended to bring it all to a conclusion -- but not because he'd sold out.
It's because he didn't want to sell out by forcing everything to have a neat
ending.

And, in a sense, Twin Peaks (with some editing of gratuitous subplots from
the middle of this season) does stand as a complete work of art.  A pretty
nihilistic one, but one nonetheless...

SPOILER CITY:

Okay.  Answering a couple of your questions:

IMHO that wasn't just the Black Lodge, it was both.  They're the same place,
with the same people, and what it looks like to you depends on how you act.
Perhaps they switched from White to Black when Cooper's coffee turned to
motor oil.

And as for the Log Lady's late husband...  he died in a forest fire.  I
think he was taken by BOB, possibly because he knew too much.  I was hoping
that for the finale, Margaret and Truman would also get into the Lodge,
where Truman would try to save Josie's soul (which they couldn't do because
Joan Chen is shooting a film) and Margaret would see BOB in her husband's
form.

> >WHAM!...

Keep it up, sir.  If you jar your brain enough, maybe you'll knock out your
compulsion to see Twin Peaks in terms of normal TV drama.  *tic*

I was playing with the freeze-frame...
In the scene where Laura screams at Cooper and then runs up to him,
and the strobe lights are going, her face is replaced in a few frames
by the face of WE, lit up in a strange mellow orange light.
I took this to mean that the Laura-doppel was some kind of creation by WE,
designed expressly to induce fear in Cooper.  The lodge magicians
(even WE) can manipulate reality there, making coffee run at the wrong
speed, maybe controlling doppels or creating confusing images.

(I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but with volume on this
newsgroup I could have missed it.)

What happened to the one-armed man?  I thought he was dead...  which leaves
MIKE (one of my favorite characters) free to take another body...  Ben
Horne, perchance?

Seems to me that not nearly as much of the redroom sequence was backwards as
I first thought.  The inflections on the dark-Laura's "Meanwhile..." is too
good to be backwards, and BOB was simply spitting his lines out in a way that
sounded reversed.  But his laughter, though...  Serious shiver-down-the-spine
time.  Didn't it sound like an owl hooting?...

   The rumors of a Twin Peaks movie are intriguing, BUT... does Twin Peaks
HAVE a future?

   Think about it for a minute.

   In the beginning, Twin Peaks was one of the most intriguing (IMHO) shows
ever created for network television. It opened with massive hype to heavy
praise and a sizable audience.

   But then, it dragged on... and on... and on... and got stranger... and
weirder... and incredibly difficult to follow. I didn't mind, but an enormous
number of viewers turned away, leaving the show one of the lowest rated on
the air. It got pushed to a network death slot and, inevitably, cancelled.

   Intense lobbying from Lynch, Frost, and Peaks fans forced ABC to give the
show one last chance. And here is where, in my opinion, the show committed
suicide.

   By ending the series with a movie, advertised as such, the show had a chance
to attract many of its original viewers back. It also had the chance to tie up
loose ends and give the show a memorable sendoff if it didn't do well in the
ratings. But the show that aired did neither. The casual viewer who tuned out
after Laura Palmer's killer was revealed didn't have a prayer of following what
was going on. The faithful viewer was given a sack full of questions and few
answers.

   Now, put yourself in the position of a television network or movie studio.
You're being approached to revive, as a film, a TV series whose last attempted
resuscitation scored a flatline. What do you do?

   If the new film is intended to wrap up the loose ends of the previous film,
it's likely going to be shot down in a hurry. Why invest time and money in a
film that, from previous indications, will be a ratings disaster?

   On the other hand, if the new film is intended as a stand alone feature, how
are you going to sell people on it? Pretend it doesn't have anything to do with
the TV series on the hopes people will come see it anyway? Heavily advertise it
as a "new beginning" or a "fresh start" or etc.?

   If my livelihood depended on making decisions like these, I would just say
"no" to both of these.

   The very nature of Twin Peaks makes it almost impossible to resuscitate like
other shows (Star Trek, for example). It simply has too much baggage and
overhead. Sad, but true. The recent ill-fated Dark Shadows was the only other
attempt I have ever seen to resuscitate a show like Peaks, and the approach
taken was to start over and retcon the entire show.

   I think the only viable future Twin Peaks has will be as a series of books.
It has a good head start, as I believe both Laura's diary and Cooper's auto-
biography sold well. Maybe we can get Frost to write an "ending" for the show?

   Well, that's my two cents worth. Can anyone (please!) convince me I'm
wrong???

In article <4224@dali> ieevlsi2@nero.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:
> >I guess the relevancy is still what throws me!  After Eckhart is dead
> >then i can see delivering the box (she, working for Eckhart stands to
> >win by whatever it is Eckhart delivers in the box.)  But i don't 
> >understand how in the world it could be important for Eckhart's 
> >jealousy to be an issue after he is dead.  and on and on.  I'm
> >interested in theories.

I don't recall the exact circumstances, but I believe that Thomas Eckhardt
told someone that, essentially, 'Sheriff Truman has been taken care of'.
Jones would seem to be the instrument of that promise.  Fairly simple and
direct (except, of course, for her quirky method of delivering the death
blow [sorry:-]).

And I thought she explained upon delivery of the box that it was something
Eckhardt had set up before his death (perhaps even "in the event of").  No?

Boy, looks like it's time to rewatch the entire series!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Hello all,

Just found out that both CNN and Entertainment Tonight have reported that the
European version of ^Twin Peaks^ (a 113 minute tape) will be released in the US
soon.  So check your videostores for this one!

Best Regards,


Don Kasprzak
UToledo9

Remember what Annie Wilkes did in "Misery" when she found out the
sequel to her movie caused a "cheat."  (i.e., a plausible ending
where a flashbulb goes off and every one has enough timeto
escape from the bank.  If Lynch indeed ever does this, he should
stay out of places where it snows!)

> >Someone explain this to me; everyone in the Red Room we saw with clouded
> >eyes seemed to be from the dark side (Leland, the Laura with the incredible
> >set of lungs, and the doppleganger Cooper).  But Carolyn's eyes also appeared
> >clouded while Annie's appear clear and Carolyn didn't seems particularly
> >wired like the rest.  Any significance?
> >And just how many entrances to the White/Black Lodge are there?  I doubt
> >that Carolyn died out there in the woods too all those years ago.

Windom Earle was there, his face interspersed with Laura's when
she was screaming, and when Annie/Caroline appeared.  This led me to
think that some of the people/faces that we saw were none other than
WE toying with "power" to create illusion, and disarm Cooper.  What
if Carolyn and Laura weren't even there?

One of my favorite foreshadows of Coop's fate is his hand-carved
whistle.  His is so much smaller, so much more simple than WE's
are - a powerful image of just how much Coop is out of his league
with WE.  And the head-banging?  Well, Bob killed Leland by 
bashing his head into the cell door - in the same place.  And 
Maddie was killed that way.  Must be Maniac Bob's favorite method.
Kind of a harsh way to get a lobotomy!

jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> >Seems to me that not nearly as much of the redroom sequence was backwards as
> >I first thought.  The inflections on the dark-Laura's "Meanwhile..." is too
> >good to be backwards, and BOB was simply spitting his lines out in a way that
> >sounded reversed.

Or Fenn and Silva were very quick a memorizing what they were hearing off the
videotape monitor.  Sherilyn Fenn also had prior experience from the "other"
Red Room sequence (Coop's dream) last year ...

By contrast, note that (the actress who plays) Annie wasn't doing very well
at picking up on it.  Her learned backwards-speak was far less articulated.
Lynch newcomer ... what can ya do ... :-)


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synth@yenta.alb.nm.us (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:

> >Or Fenn and Silva were very quick a memorizing what they were hearing off the
> >videotape monitor.  Sherilyn Fenn also had prior experience from the "other"

Whoops!  Minor brain fart.  Of course I mean Sheryl LEE ...

(thanks, Rocky!)


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csupp@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> >Just found out that both CNN and Entertainment Tonight have reported that the
> >European version of ^Twin Peaks^ (a 113 minute tape) will be released in the US
> >soon.  So check your videostores for this one!
 ^^^^
CNN Headline News said it would hit the shelves in September.


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In article <BARB.91Jun20152334@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>, barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:
> > 
> > Am I the only person who found Laura's screaming decidedly NOT scary?

No, I didn't either -- it was disturbing and had I been a cat I would have
left the room too (as some reportedly did - can't remember who posted this!)
but I wasn't scared.  Seemed to me she was enjoying screaming at Coop.
Was she smiling as she screamed?  I got the impression that she was, but I could be off here...

-Hil
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilary K. Justice hjustice@vax1.trincoll.edu justice@eclectic.com

I just rewatched episode two, and when Coop and Harry arrived
to question Josie about Laura Palmer, *Josie* told Pete she
would make a fresh pot of coffee, and Pete had just been
cleaning fish. So one of them, probably Josie, put the fish
in the coffee pot, probably due to Bob's influence? :-)

Catherine was with Ben Horne, so she's out, although Andrew
could have snuk out of the closet to put the fish in, but
it's not really like him.

Darragh
dawn@netcom.COM
"Is this real, or is it some strange and twisted dream?" - Jerry Horne

> >It was just a cheap sound effect.  One dot, two dots, three dots, four dots.
> >(That "spells" "ETSH".)


That's EISH.


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES (Ash)
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

In article <50656@ut-emx.uucp>, osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes:
> > I don't know if anybody noticed, but time seemed to be going BACKWARDS in
> > the Red Room. When the characters spoke, for example, their words appeared
> > in captions on the screen. I've seen people speaking "backwards" on other
> > TV shows (some people did it on "America's Funniest People"). What they do
> > is videotape somebody actually pronouncing words backwards; then when the tape
> > is played in reverse, they appear to be talking "forward," although their
> > speech naturally looks and sounds a bit weird. This is EXACTLY what the
> > various characters, WITHOUT exception, were doing in the Red Room! Read on:
> > 
> > When Windom Earle jabbed Coop with that thing (looked like a small knife
> > to me), Coop fell to the floor. Then you saw the exact same "stabbing" scene
> > in REVERSE. Coop "fell upwards" into the knife. Notice this happen right
> > AFTER (or was it "before"?) Coop was walking around bleeding in the exact
> > same spot where Earle stabbed him!
> > 
> > Perhaps this "stabbing" incident, since it happened twice, once forward, then
> > backwards (or was it backwards, then forward?) was some point where the
> > time continuum surned around went the other way. Past became future and future
> > became past, or....or....oh, God help me.....I'm really confused here......
> > 
> > Any comments on this?
> > 
> > Ron Morgan
> > osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

Relax a little Ron!

Sadly the show is over without much hope of continuing unless David Lynch
makes a movie to wrap things up.

In response to time moving backwards in the red room, I too am confused.
In previous episodes the midgets speaking was very unintellible and did
sound like it was backwards.  However, in the last episode I did not need 
to read the sub-titles.  His and Laura's speech just sounded like a record
being slowed down and sped up randomly.  I don't know how this relates to
time going backwards, but I thought this was strange.

Steve Malecha


In article <50656@ut-emx.uucp>, osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes:
> > I don't know if anybody noticed, but time seemed to be going BACKWARDS in
> > the Red Room. When the characters spoke, for example, their words appeared
> > in captions on the screen. I've seen people speaking "backwards" on other
> > TV shows (some people did it on "America's Funniest People"). What they do
> > is videotape somebody actually pronouncing words backwards; then when the tape
> > is played in reverse, they appear to be talking "forward," although their
> > speech naturally looks and sounds a bit weird. This is EXACTLY what the
> > various characters, WITHOUT exception, were doing in the Red Room! Read on:
> > 
> > When Windom Earle jabbed Coop with that thing (looked like a small knife
> > to me), Coop fell to the floor. Then you saw the exact same "stabbing" scene
> > in REVERSE. Coop "fell upwards" into the knife. Notice this happen right
> > AFTER (or was it "before"?) Coop was walking around bleeding in the exact
> > same spot where Earle stabbed him!
> > 
> > Perhaps this "stabbing" incident, since it happened twice, once forward, then
> > backwards (or was it backwards, then forward?) was some point where the
> > time continuum surned around went the other way. Past became future and future
> > became past, or....or....oh, God help me.....I'm really confused here......
> > 
> > Any comments on this?
> > 
> > Ron Morgan
> > osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

I remember a few weeks ago someone posted that they
had a Windows 3.0 bitmap of the petroglyph and said 
they'd mail it out to those who asked for it. Does 
anyone have a copy they could mail to me? 

Thanks,
Rob

-- Robert Mee Boston University Information Technology (rem@bu-it.bu.edu)

I am looking for a roughly 1000x1000 pixmap of the petroglyph
for X windows.  Would love to have this as X terminal background !!
(sun raster images or gif files are ok, too)

does anybody know of twin peak gif's ?  (i've only followed this
group for a few weeks; i assume there must have been postings in 
the past)

Helmut Hissen   {aka helmut@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu}

    I've been reading alt.tv.twin-peaks for a while now. Had to swear off
for a time, during which I was waiting to get ahold of the latter half of
the second season on VHS (I live in fear of spoilers when it comes to things
like TP), but this was a great thing to have around after the "finale."
    There aren't a lot of TP fans among my circle here, so there wasn't much
chance to blow off frustration steam or ponder mysteries. I've enjoyed all
the stuff here.
    One of the big topics (apart from How Audrey/Pete/Andrew Could Survive
The Blast and sundry philosophical musing about the Lodges) seems to be the
question of further TP stuff. We keep hearing there'll be a feature film --
but it'll be about Laura's last days. Neat, but it's hard to see how that'll
answer any burning questions the finale left, least of all "How's Annie?"
I passed through a conversation in a local store here the other day, in which
two guys were talking about the TP film, and had to tell them that from all
I've heard it'll be a prequel (great word that - wonder who coined it). There
was, of course, some disappointment and frustration at this.
    Basically, all this has got me wondering whether I'd really WANT a wrap-
up that answers ALL the questions and ties EVERYthing up neatly. Regardless
of all the stoic "It's Like Life -- Is Everything Answered in Life?" musings
I find myself in from time to time, I'm suddenly confronted with the fact that
unless such a wrap-up comes damned soon, it will NEVER be ABLE to satisfy us.
We'll have had too much time to build our hopes and expectations and whatnot.
This has been my experience with these things in the past.
    I was a St.Elsewhere nut when it was on the air, and at that time I guess
it was pretty much in with the top of serial tv shows. In some senses, it was
closer to TP than even The Prisoner -- particularly since St.E itself has a
false death at the hands of network execs. When the show hit the end of it's
second-to-last season (it's fourth, as I recall), it didn't look like it
would be renewed. The folks at MTM (who also gave us Newhart's classic series
finale) had a good deal of expectation on this, and incorporated it into the
show's plot. The hospital was bought out by a multi-national which fired the
entire staff; the building was condemned and about to be torn down; the show
was, in all senses, ENDING, and (w/o spoilers to those who may be watching it
for the first time in syndication) the last image and sound of the the show's
final seconds left no doubt that the blow had fallen. It was something of a
harrowing experience for those of us who'd got wrapped up in this over the
years. But it showed nerve, and that was more than anything else what had
always made me respect that show as much as I'd enjoyed it.
    So the St.E folks decided to go out with a bang. The final episode was
filmed and in-the-can. Then the network decided they wanted another year.
    Well, without making this longer with details, the actual last season of
St. Elsewhere was, if nothing else, more nervey than most anything that had
gone before. It was -- or at least seemed to me -- a season defiantly made
for the show's fans, and for the satisfaction of challenge on the part of
the creative staff. At times, it was perhaps TOO defiant. Always nervey,
though.
    My point to all this is that when the show's REAL end came at the close
of that season, their final finale, though as nervey in it's way as the
false death and a bit of daring defiance at the end, was not as dramatically
fulfilling as the previous season's finale had been. And as far as I can
see, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN. We'd already seen the show die once, we'd lost it
before, and we couldn't feel the loss as strongly the second time no matter
what they did or how they presented it.
    I admire the last season of St.E as much as anything, but no moment during
that year hit or lingers so strongly as the memory of seeing that wrecking
ball swing towards the hospital's entrance in the penultimate finale...
    So what's all this got to do with TP? I'm also a comic book reader. (Not
nut, since I don't read that many.) There was a series a few years back, at
DC, called The Shadow. It was written throughout its too-short run by then-DC
Editor Andrew Helfer. The book was seriously weird, and I loved it. A lot like
TP, it had a lazily drawn-out plot, a huge cast of characters, and was (sadly)
quite difficult to pick up unless you'd started with the beginning. It made no
concessions, though. Helfer had the guts to kill off his main character, to
push things from character drama to high comedy, sometimes in the same scene,
and to make a book that was more concerned with doing what it did as well as
it could than with doing what sells. Of course it was cancelled. And, a lot
like TP, it was cut off in the middle of a story-line. Talk about your
unintentional cliff-hangers.
   For a while there were hints and rumors about a Shadow one-shot to tie-up
the loose ends the final issue left dangling. Now, though, I don't think I'd
like to see it. I've built up too much fondness and even reverence for the
series to ever be satisfied by a quickie conclusion.
   I can think of other examples of this same phenomenon -- Blake's 7, for
one, if anyone out there followed the Brit show when it was on PBS here --
where the actual finale was in fact the second time the creators had had to
kill their child.
   Of course, maybe Lynch/Frost could pull it off. Maybe it's just that I'm
too bloody emotional about these things. Maybe I need a donut and a cup of
deep black joe. Maybe all of the above.
   Thanks for your time, and all the fun stuff I've read here.

There's an obvious explanation for this, and for the contradiction in
the Access Guide.  The old circle of Douglas Firs burned down (in a fire...
how significant!), and some public-minded citizens planted a new circle
of sycamores.

There.  :)

In article <1483@screamer.csee.usf.edu>, hughes@zeus.csee.usf.edu (Ken Hughes) writes:
> > And just how many entrances to the White/Black Lodge are there?  I doubt
> > that Carolyn died out there in the woods too all those years ago.

Presumably, anyone can enter the Black Lodge from ANYWHERE -- by dying!  But
(not to be a poet) the portal's for mortals.
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In article <8797@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > IMHO that wasn't just the Black Lodge, it was both.  They're the same place,

I'm beginning to get the uncomfortable feeling that it was NEITHER.  Both rooms
were just part of the testing area (the "waiting room").  And the various Lodge
denizens who showed up there were there "professionally" as testers, and not as
residents.  WE describes the ambiance in the Black and White Lodges, and this
place seems more like a limbo than either of those.  I simply can't see two beings
like BOB and the Giant existing in the same place at the same time without some
sort of sparks flying.  Look how out of control MIKE got when he merely got CLOSE
to confronting BOB.

(Hey -- could the Giant or the LMFAP be MIKE?  Where IS MIKE -- the spirit, not
the OAM.)

> > And as for the Log Lady's late husband...  he died in a forest fire.

I thought he died fighting "the great mill fire of 19-whatever"?
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In article <8800@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > Seems to me that not nearly as much of the redroom sequence was backwards as
> > I first thought.  The inflections on the dark-Laura's "Meanwhile..." is too
> > good to be backwards...

Even a blind pig can find an acorn once in a while.  Her screaming, which follows
immediately with no camera cuts, is clearly backwards.  It's clear they filmed the
whole scene backwards.  Now, perhaps they found some lines that were totally
unintelligible and dubbed in another version afterwards, but given the effect they
were trying to achieve, I can't believe anybody's lines could come out "TOO" funky
for Lynch and Frost.
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In article <1991Jun27.153647.17316@yenta.alb.nm.us>, synth@yenta.alb.nm.us (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
> > Sherilyn Fenn also had prior experience from the "other"
> > Red Room sequence (Coop's dream) last year ...

Sherilyn Fenn is Audrey Horne.  AAARGH, now I have a mental block on Laura/Maddy's
real name...!  Cheryl Lee?  Something Lee.

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In article <1991Jun26.191525.11488@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca
says:
> >
> >Did anybody else notice in the last episode before the finale that
> >(right after "When Jupiter and Saturn meet... They will recieve you"
> >that Major Briggs said what sounded like something BACKWARDS??? I tried
> >to make it out by recording it and then putting a twist in the tape.
> >It came out as "[unintelligible] knew you'd come". BOB knew you'd come, maybe?
> >Is this old news? Or am I on to something here?

I digitized the sound of the Major talking backwards, and reversed it using
a friend's MacRecorder.  You need to squint and take aspirin, but what he's
saying is "That gum you like is coming back in style."

I swear Lynch only does this shit to mess with our minds.

Dave Whitman                "It's not my planet, monkey boy."
rsndww@rohvm1.bitnet         - John Big Bootay NOT "Bootie"

> >I agree that Lynch has an emotional relationship with the look of a 
> >certain era, but I would have guess the 50's.  In the red room of Twin Peaks
> >and in Wild at Heart, the locations of decay, the degenerating places
> >are tricked out in the worst examples of tawdry, mouldering 50-60 stuff.
> >I'm not into the history of interior decorating so I can't tell you the
> >exact period.
> > 
> >a.h.

How 'bout early American naugahide :-)


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rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) writes:



> >I remember a few weeks ago someone posted that they
> >had a Windows 3.0 bitmap of the petroglyph and said 
> >they'd mail it out to those who asked for it. Does 
> >anyone have a copy they could mail to me? 

> >Thanks,
> >Rob

Mee too? mee, too?  oot eem oot eem??

How's Annie?

BC

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In <1991Jun26.232913.4535@ducvax.auburn.edu> morrison@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

> >   The rumors of a Twin Peaks movie are intriguing, BUT... does Twin Peaks
> >HAVE a future?
> >   Think about it for a minute.

[stuff about the final episode deleted]

> >   Now, put yourself in the position of a television network or movie studio.
> >You're being approached to revive, as a film, a TV series whose last attempted
> >resuscitation scored a flatline. What do you do?
> >   If the new film is intended to wrap up the loose ends of the previous film,
> >it's likely going to be shot down in a hurry. Why invest time and money in a
> >film that, from previous indications, will be a ratings disaster?
> >   On the other hand, if the new film is intended as a stand alone feature, how
> >are you going to sell people on it? Pretend it doesn't have anything to do with
> >the TV series on the hopes people will come see it anyway? Heavily advertise it
> >as a "new beginning" or a "fresh start" or etc.?
> >   If my livelihood depended on making decisions like these, I would just say
> >"no" to both of these.

A couple of points:

a) This is David Lynch you are talking about.  Even before Twin Peaks,
   he had some major pull in the industry.  I doubt he needs a reason to
   produce a movie (look at his previous works.)

b) This is Twin Peaks you are talking about.  Although the ratings sucked,
   those "in the know" know that this is a quality show which far surpassed
   the drivel on the networks in terms of watchability.  (who'd want to
   go see Cosbys: the Movie.)

Although Wild at Heart, Dune, and Blue Velvet, didn't rake in the big
bucks, they held their own.  And now Lynch is practically a household
name.  I think he would have no problem getting millions of Americans
to check out the movie, even if it was the continuation of the cooBOBper
storyline.  Then add the huge overseas following, and I see no problems.

> >   Well, that's my two cents worth. Can anyone (please!) convince me I'm
> >wrong??? 

I hope I have.

sj

In article <1991Jun21.195020.21203@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:

   I don't think there's been nearly enough debate about what the
   Major said, so here goes with  an attempt to start some...

   I was extremely puzzled by the line (I don't have my tape with
   me and don't want to start another set of misquotes) about "the 
   King of Romania" not being able to attend. It took me awhile to
   realize that Romania doesn't have a king!

Not only that, but he's not bald, either.  This suggests that the
Black/White Lodge is really The Center for the Study of All Those
Centers Which Do Not Study Themselves.  Hence, the doppelgangers.

-30-
Bob

``Tell me once again how sheep's bladders may be used to prevent earthquakes.''

In article <1991Jun23.204808.18949@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
   In article <1991Jun20.225422.16229@daimi.aau.dk> pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:
   >shephard@newsserver.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard) writes:
   >> 
   >> Grin.  I wonder how many thousands of people ran to their TV during the
   >> credits with their Head upside down.  Yes.  It was Laura.
   >

   So Laura in a coffee cup. What the heck does *that* mean?!

Not just any coffee cup; it's the coffee cup that Cooper set down on
the table in the Waiting Room.  (I suddenly realized that Laura would
be right side up to Cooper.)  And her image fades in slowly.  And she
winks (presumably, at Cooper).

-30-
Bob

``Meanwhile...''

ok--

here's my little list of loose ends and possible new plot threads should they
ever start it up again (besides the obvious choices of CooBobper and the
various end-of-season-are-they-dead-or-not thingys).  I find it useful to
ponder this stuff when I'm _really_ _really_ bored ...

-  Will we ever see LL's husband?  Is he in the WL?
-  Where's OAM and Mike?
-  Is Ben going to run for Senate (if he lives, that is)?
-  Where's James and what's he up to?  How 'bout his mom?
-  Johnny Horne.
-  Does JJ's partner's death have to do with anything?
-  How _did_ the fish get into the percolater?
-  <BOB voice on> WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSIE??!?! <BOB voice off>
-  Are there any others besides Bob and Mike?
-  That gum you like is going to come back into style.
-  Who the hell clubbed Jacoby?  Are we to assume it was Leland?
-  What the hell does little Nicky have to do with anything?
-  Kreamed Korn Kiddo.

Any additions?

Sean (scd@einstein.bgsu.edu)

In article <YcNpVAu00UzxI1Q20X@andrew.cmu.edu> sw2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon Lee West) writes:
 >One thing that needs to be pointed out here is that Lynch/Frost tend to
 >bend the rules a bit.
 >
 >Take Leo for example, any one with a spinal cord injury, paralysis, or
 >anyone confined to a wheel chair for an extended period for that matter
 >would require considerable physical therapy.  They would not be able to
 >get up from a wheelchair and swing and ax and walk into the woods alone.
 >No way.

Hang on a sec!  Leo got shot in the head, as I recall.  In his case, hardly
a crucial part of his anatomy.

Also, don't forget that the actual time that he was in his Mr. Potato head
state was a matter of weeks (don't have the timeline handy...), not the
endless years it seemed like to us as we were kept waiting for indefinitely 
postponed episodes.  Which means his muscles hadn't had time to atrophy.

Of course, when he comes to after being stung by all those spiders, he'll
either 1) return to the original Leo; 2) start showing a romantic interest
in high school wrestling jocks; 3) look in the mirror and see Dale Cooper;
4) open a chic little Lebanese restaurant out in the woods; 5) wander the
streets of Twin Peaks zapping himself with the Remote from Hell; 6) fart
twice and die.

It could happen!!

jimbo

In article <BARB.91Jun20152334@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:
   In article <91170.200524KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

   >  Seriously, I was pretty terrified, particularly of Laura!

   Am I the only person who found Laura's screaming decidedly NOT scary?
   It seemed completely unmotivated by extreme terror or even extreme
   rage; just a device to have her step forward and try to scare Cooper.
   Could someone who WAS scared perhaps describe for me what it was that
   was so frightening for them in that moment.  Perhaps my efforts to try
   and figure out what was going on detached me from it emotionally to
   the point where I missed the experience.

Well, what got me going was not the screaming but the fact that she
crawled over the love seat in the same way we'd seen Bob crawl over
the sofa in the Palmer's living room.  On first viewing, I interpreted
the whole scene as ``Laura as Bob'', and the screaming/howling as
Bob's screaming/howling.  It was shocking to see ``Laura'' doing Bob's
moves.

-30-
Bob

``Meanwhile...''

In article <6302@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (CD Tavares) writes:

   Where does everybody get this assumption that the Major was injected with
   haloperidol?  Nobody ever says so on the show.

Cooper sniffs the Major and says: ``He's been shot full of
haloperidol.''

-30-
Bob

``I see you've been studying the ABRIDGED book of ninja fighting.''

In article <3939@kluge.fiu.edu>, ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> > In article <YcNpVAu00UzxI1Q20X@andrew.cmu.edu> sw2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon Lee West) writes:
> > Hang on a sec!  Leo got shot in the head, as I recall.  In his case, hardly
> > a crucial part of his anatomy.

Actually, I thought Leo got shot in the chest. Anyone with a photo-genic
memory (or a tape handy) want to clarify this?

> > Also, don't forget that the actual time that he was in his Mr. Potato head
> > state was a matter of weeks (don't have the timeline handy...), not the
> > endless years it seemed like to us as we were kept waiting for indefinitely 
> > postponed episodes.  Which means his muscles hadn't had time to atrophy.

Don't you believe it!!!!! I had my left leg in a cast for only 5 weeks after
knee surgery. After I got the cast off and went through a week of therapy (to
remind my knee that it is *supposed* to bend and straighten :-) ), I tried 
to drive my car (with clutch).  It was all I could do to push the clutch to 
the floor. And after about 10 minutes of in-town driving, my leg was shaking 
while trying to operate the clutch. I assure you, "a matter of weeks" is 
*plenty* of time for muscles to atrophy.

-- Tim Calvert BITNET: tim@marshall Marshall University Internet: tim@marshall.wvnet.edu Huntington, WV Phone: (304)696-3210 FAX: (304)696-3601

In article <1991Jun26.232913.4535@ducvax.auburn.edu> morrison@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> >
> >   [lottsa stuff about Twin Peaks being doomed]
> >

   Although I agree that Twin Peaks is doomed as a TV series, I don't
   believe that the whole story is destined to failure.  In fact,
   the big screen may indeed be the correct medium to keep it going.

   I say this for several reasons.  One, is that one of the reasons
   (IMHO) that Twin peaks lost so much steam is that Lynch and Frost
   started to lose interest and left the writing and direction of
   the show to their staff.  Movies are different than TV.  Movies
   require a fairly intense focus for a limited period of time.  In 
   a TV series, this focus must be prolonged for an entire season...
   which was far too long for Lynch and Frost to maintain.  After all,
   they had other projects that they wanted to pursue.  A TV series
   is a full time job where as a movie is simply another "project".
   Lynch sounds psyched to do this TP Movie...and because of that,
   I'll bet that the result is going to be pretty intense.

   As far as the movie not getting an audience, I believe Lynch was
   smart about making the movie a 'prequel'.  TP had a real good following
   at the start, and all those TP fans who did not have the patience
   to keep up with the show till the end are CERTAINLY very familiar
   with the WKLP plot. (Lynch probably didn't really logically consider 
   this issue, he probably just felt  like dealing with the Laura Palmer 
   story...after all, this was the story that inspired the season to
   begin with.  He seems real close to that plot line).  If done right,
   the movie, through the WKLP plot, could get old TP fans into the
   later plots of the series (Wyndom Earle, black lodge, etc.  After
   all, there is a connection between it all), which will probably 
   spawn a whole series of films.

   Oh...did I forget to mention the European popularity of the
   show.  Even if the movie gets fair results at the box office
   in America...I'm sure it'll do well in Europe.  Which will 
   probably be enough to profit financially...

   Oh, and lastly, let's not forget the home video market.  The same
   fans who rushed out to but the Secret Diary, the Coop Autobiography
   and other TP items..will certainly buy the video (if proced right).

   So in my opinion, although we may never see Twin peaks on TV again, 
   it is far from doomed.
-- -- jogle att!floyd!jogle jogle@floyd.att.com

Hi there,
     Before I start quoting TP I'd like to get my facts right, so 
could you post me a copy of the Super Deluxe Twin Peaks quote list
featuring Dale Cooper and his assorted misfits (no flames...joke).


   Justin Halliday.

  <<I have nothing else to say>>

In article <1483@screamer.csee.usf.edu> hughes@zeus.csee.usf.edu (Ken Hughes) writes:
> >But Carolyn's eyes also appeared
> >clouded while Annie's appear clear and Carolyn didn't seems particularly
> >wired like the rest.  Any significance?

I don't think Carolyn was "actually" there; I believe it was another entity
masquerading as Carolyn.  We saw (with some help from freeze-framing) W.E.
masquerading as Maddy; certainly he might have taken Carolyn's form to freak
Cooper.

> >And just how many entrances to the White/Black Lodge are there?  I doubt
> >that Carolyn died out there in the woods too all those years ago.

Right, which is another reason for doubting that she's really there.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

You're WRONG.  Jackson Roykirk was the creator....oops, sorry, wrong
diatribe.  (The Changeling [Nomad] -- Star Trek: TOS; whenever I hear
'you're wrong', I slip into Star Trek quote mode).

Anyway, the purported movie is a prequel to TP, and as such should be
able to stand on its own.  It has the benefit of ending with LP's death,
which half the world watched when TP first started.

I think, to quote Lynch, "it'll be cool."


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

> >here's my little list of loose ends and possible new plot threads should they
> >ever start it up again (besides the obvious choices of CooBobper and the
> >various end-of-season-are-they-dead-or-not thingys).  I find it useful to
> >ponder this stuff when I'm _really_ _really_ bored ...

[List deleted]

> >Any additions?

   Did Josie shoot Cooper?  If so, why?

   Who was with Leo in confrontation with Mike & Bobby in first season?

   Any special significance to Leo being in jail when Teresa Banks was
murdered?

   Why was Leo keeping shoes hidden with his dope (Albert said they were
not tampered with in any way).

   What was BoB hitting Laura with?

   Is there any special treasure in the cave with the drawing?

   What happened to One-Eyed Jack's?

   If the owls are not what they seem, what are they?  [if there were
any owls in the last episode, I missed them]

   Something that's bothered me before:  wouldn't Leo have needed help
setting up the scene with Shelley where he had cake all over his face.
(the power failures, the toy in the bed, etc)

OK, I confess.

I didn't watch TP much when it was on.  Schedule conflicts, etc.  It
looked interesting, I watched it occasionally, but that's it.

Please don't hurt me.

Spurred on, in part due to the season finale, I got a friend of mine
to loan me his TP tapes, containing the entire run of the series.
I intend to watch the entire series in as compressed amount of time
as possible (est. 4-5 days), taping them in the process.  Perhaps
the experience will give me further emlightenment, or perhaps just
a craving for jelly donuts.

We shall see.



                                 Half a bee       | But half a bee
    Jim Thomas                   Philosophically  | Has got to be
   Penn State Univ.              Must ipso facto  | Vis a Vis it's entity
                                 Half not be      | You see?

In article <5505.286a7d35@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> >-  Will we ever see LL's husband?  Is he in the WL?
> >-  Where's OAM and Mike?
        The OAM and Mike are both the spirit possessing Philip Michael
Gerard-- in case there's confusing on the above.
Also, why did his "best friend in the whole world," Dr. Bob
Lydecker, go into a coma (ala Ronnette)?  Will he ever come out?
Like Gerard, is Dr. Bob also possessed by a spirit?
 
> >-  Is Ben going to run for Senate (if he lives, that is)?
> >-  Where's James and what's he up to?  How 'bout his mom?
> >-  Johnny Horne.
> >-  Does JJ's partner's death have to do with anything?
> >-  How _did_ the fish get into the percolater?
> >-  <BOB voice on> WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSIE??!?! <BOB voice off>
Died of fear.  Don't we know that?  The question should be,
I think, was Josie haunted/possessed by BOB previously?

> >-  Are there any others besides Bob and Mike?
> >-  That gum you like is going to come back into style.
> >-  Who the hell clubbed Jacoby?  Are we to assume it was Leland?
Mark Frost said that this was Leland/BOB.

> >-  What the hell does little Nicky have to do with anything?
> >-  Kreamed Korn Kiddo.
    
    Why did Harold's hand start shaking when he collapsed outside?
    Why did Coop's, Pete's, and the diner person's hands shake?
    Is the LMFAP good, bad, or neutral, and is he related to BOB or the
       Giant in any way other than the fact that they were all found
       in the black lodge/waiting room?
    Did Josie know anything about Laura's death at the start of the
       first show?  [i.e. suspicious glance at Pete as he leaves to
       go fishing... also humming in front of the mirror = "where we're
       from...there's always music in the air"] 
    Are the owls more than just easy creatures for BOB-like spirits to
       possess or is there something else to them?
    Were Maddy and Laura both daughters of Leland?     
    From the diary:  What was it that Nancy (Blackie's sister?) secretly
revealed to Laura (about Ben Horne?) ? 
    Finally, why do lambs and does eat oats, but little lambs eat ivy
    anyway?  Is there some digestive problem?

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jun28.143056.2735@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Something that's bothered me before:  wouldn't Leo have needed help
> >setting up the scene with Shelley where he had cake all over his face.
> >(the power failures, the toy in the bed, etc)

The power failures were due to WE's tampering.  Leo came out of his
vegetative state at the same time the whole vagrant thing happened.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jun28.142855.2200@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> >
>> >>here's my little list of loose ends and possible new plot threads should they
>> >>ever start it up again (besides the obvious choices of CooBobper and the
>> >>various end-of-season-are-they-dead-or-not thingys).  I find it useful to
>> >>ponder this stuff when I'm _really_ _really_ bored ...
> >
> >[List deleted]
> >
>> >>Any additions?
> >
> >   Did Josie shoot Cooper?  If so, why?
> >
> >   Who was with Leo in confrontation with Mike & Bobby in first season?
> >
> >   Any special significance to Leo being in jail when Teresa Banks was
> >murdered?
> >
> >   Why was Leo keeping shoes hidden with his dope (Albert said they were
> >not tampered with in any way).
> >
> >   What was BoB hitting Laura with?
> >
> >   Is there any special treasure in the cave with the drawing?
> >
> >   What happened to One-Eyed Jack's?
> >
> >   If the owls are not what they seem, what are they?  [if there were
> >any owls in the last episode, I missed them]



What about the "Invitation to Love Gang?"

See is Montana dead or is he a veggie?
What about Jared, Emerald and Jade?
See did I miss anyone.....
Or was the show cancelled by some AR TV execs?

Sally---
-- I really dislike it when people fondle my floss. || Sally A. Wilson (Jack Deveraux DOOL) || --So what if I have a I need to brush my teeth. || fetish for dental hygene-- (CooBOB _Twin_Peaks_) || sally@mica.berkeley.edu

In article <1991Jun26.082211.11494@aifh.ed.ac.uk> hazel@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Hazel Sydeserff) writes:

   But didn't the LL see the giant? Remember at the Roadhouse when Coop saw him 
   in place of the band (Julee thingy's band) and he said "It is happening again"?
   From the look on Margaret's face, see could she the giant too. Wouldn't she 
   have said something if it had been her dead husband? And don't you think it'd 
   be a bit weird if a lady in ^TP^ had had a husband who looked like Herman 
   Munster???!!!!! :-)

Not Herman Munster; Lurch the Butler.  Right idea; wrong family.

-30-
Bob

``One and the same.''

In article <1991Jun27.220107.6569@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > In article <6339@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>> > >In article <8797@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>>> > >> IMHO that wasn't just the Black Lodge, it was both.  They're the same place,
>> > >
>> > >I'm beginning to get the uncomfortable feeling that it was NEITHER.  Both rooms
> > 
> > We definitely saw the black lodge in the finale-- Sarah Palmer told us
> > this in her best possession voice, "I'm in the black lodge with Agent
> > Cooper."  If that doesn't imply that at least Dale was in the black
> > lodge, then what other Agent Cooper could she have been talking about :)

Yes, I anticipated this objection.  What can I say except that the voice was
the voice of Windom Earle, and as we have seen, what he thinks he knows is not
necessarily how things actually work.
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In article <91178.160804RSNDWW@ROHVM1.BITNET>, RSNDWW@ROHVM1.BITNET (autosend) writes:
> > I digitized the sound of the Major talking backwards, and reversed it using
> > a friend's MacRecorder.  You need to squint and take aspirin, but what he's
> > saying is "That gum you like is coming back in style."

I'd love to get that sound.  Someone else said it was simply, "I'm coming out."
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Some TV network person out there may be interested in a
more long term commitment to loyal older TV viewers and to the
upcoming generations of viewers.  For example, one might envision
a future Saturday morning cartoon feature with voices
provided by the actual voices of the original series.  A possible
finale for one of these hypothetical weekly shows which might be
called:


     "Fugitive Twins Reach Their Peaks in Kung Fu Course"


Opening cartoon:

David Carradine's character (Caine) appears very suddenly in a
clearing -- seemingly emerging feet first and reclaims the wind
instrument from WE.  Quietly and nonviolently Caine explains the
deeper, more meditative applications of such devices in and
"Easterly" way -- WE occasionally 'egging' him on.  With the
wooden instrument in hand cartoon character Caine turns to the
camera and says "go figure" and at this point he transforms into
a (you guessed it) -- grasshopper.  

Before it can achieve 'one good leap for a grasshopper' our
Caine/Hopper-guy is engulfed fast-flying-swooping blurry creature
which is eventually seen more clearly to be (you  guessed it
again) an EMPEROR OWL.  This OWL is what is seems, and it begins
to fly away leaving no one, except itself, with a bad taste in
its oral cavity.  The OWL thinking to itself but out loud so we
and others can hear the message through the doppler effect (or is
that doppelganger?): "Yuk.  Pah-toohey!  I wonder what that
grasshopper had in his backpack? Yuk."  The OWL can no longer
tolerate the bad taste of this morsel and he "upchucks" the half-
chewed grasshopper out of his oral cavity onto none other than --
BOB (maybe you didn't guess this one).  Add this would be tobacco
wad hits BOB right in the kisser!  Bob Barks.  "WOW, WOW, WOW!"
(fooled you?).  He then wipes the partially regurgitated matter
from his face so as to better reflect on these events.  Suddenly,
he turns from his mirror and spots a seemingly innocent figure
running through a red room and screams "backwards or in reverse-
order pig-latin" -- "There goes Kimball!"  Dr. Richard Kimball
stops, cups his mouth with his hands and yells "Stop you OAM"!
Not very loud though.  Maybe he would do better with a (you
guessed it!) MIKE.

Go to commercial break and sell the kids some baseball cards.

Back from break.  Scenes from next week -- Nadine in China at the
monastery trying rice paper drape technique.  Norma hires Kimball
to clean up the RR (replacement for Hank).  Cooper and the rest
of the local law enforcement crowd run into Caine on their way to
the TP sheriff's office.  Caine is loudly trying to explain his
innocence to (you guessed it!) Gordon.  And like that.

In article <1991Jun28.124307.2370@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, jogle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (jogle) writes:
> >    Oh, and lastly, let's not forget the home video market.  The same
> >    fans who rushed out to but the Secret Diary, the Coop Autobiography
> >    and other TP items..will certainly buy the video (if proced right).

I don't have the data, and I don't know wnyone who does (if anyone out there does,
tell me!) but I would love to see the sales figures of these two books, versus the
ratings numbers for the TV show, and see if the ratings estimate was as far out of
whack as I suspect it was.
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In article <1991Jun26.125029.17263@math.lsa.umich.edu> tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson) writes:
> >In article <3916@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
->>In article <7416@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
->> >
->> >It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.
->>
->>...it's "mom, qoq, mom" upside down.
->
->"mom, pop, mom" is what you get if you reflect.
->"mom, qoq, mom" is what you get if you rotate.

->Also, isn't "wow" an acronym for "witch of west", indicating that Annie is
->the sister of Caroline, witch of east (or "woe" for short)?

You mean you don't know?

It's "white on white, black on black, white on white"!  One and the same...

Pretty impressive, huh?  Almost as good as Occupant, White Lodge, which
really gives meaning to "the OWLs are not what they seem".  

jimbo

I thought Annie was reciting the 23rd(?) Psalm.  Yea, tho I walk thru the
valley of the shadow od death ... etc.  Anybody else?

Irrelevant to this news group tho it may be ... Carly Simon's "You're So
Vain" was written about Warren Beatty NOT Mick Jagger ...

Please add my name to the list for the quotes!

Paul R. Grove.

iru03@uk.ac.keele.seq1

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Article 10671 of alt.tv.twin-peaks:
From: statman@moray.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Twin Quotes
Message-ID: <1991Apr24.022830.17895@eng.ufl.edu>
Date: 24 Apr 91 02:28:30 GMT
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Hello you crazy guys and gals :-),
        Here is the quote list finally.  I just got my take home exams
so I had a few other priorities. :-(   The last one is the worst one of
all, in my opinion.  :-(   
        As always, if you have suggestions, criticisms, etc. please do 
not hesitate to let me know.  The e-mail address below is the correct
one.  Not the one given by the stupid news reader.  Enjoy.  :-)

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu    <-------#####   Correct address
statman@sole.stat.ufl.edu    <--------######   NeXTmail if you dare 

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# Mayor:  There's something wrong.  This isn't right.  There's something
        wrong here.

        --AGENT OF OZ-- 
[Cooper lies in bed in his room.  Catherine is stroking his 
head.  Andy, the Log Lady and the Man From Another Place are 
sitting around the bed.]
Cooper: Auntie Em!
Cath.:  Auntie Em?  
Cooper: I must have been dreaming.  It was horrible.  We
        were all on Saturday's.  Andy  you were there.  The 
        Log Lady was there.  The Man From Another Place was 
        there.
Cath.:  Saturday's!  That is a bad dream.  
All:    Ooooh.  
Announcer:      Twin Peaks is back on Thursday nights.  
Coop:   Diane, Thursday nights.  There's no place like home.  
  
Hawk:   The man has a poor sense of recreation.  

# Lucy: Tomorrow is D-Day, Dad Day.
  
Albert: Coop, about the uniform.  
Cooper: Yes, Albert?  
Albert: Usually, replacing the quiet elegance of the dark 
        suit and tie for the casual indifference of these 
        muted earthtones is a form of fashion suicide.  But, 
        call me crazy, on you it works.

Annie:  I lived in my head mostly.
Cooper: That's not a bad neighborhood.
Annie:  There were some pretty strange neighbors.

Judy Swain:     An orphan, you know.  
Andy:   Really?  What happened?  Did his parents die?  

WE:     Cooper doesn't know the meaning of STALEMATE!  

# Mayor:Oh, my God, this guy is British or Bohemian or something.  He's
        bound to fall for your charms.

Nadine:I think I've gone _blind_ in my left eye!  
  
Cooper: Sure fire cure for a hangover, Harry.  You take 
        a glass of nearly frozen unstrained tomato juice.  
        You plop a couple of oysters in there.  You drink it 
        down.  Breathe deeply.  Next you take a mound, and I 
        mean a mound of sweetbreads.  Sautee it in some 
        chestnuts and Canadian Bacon.  Finally, biscuits, 
        big biscuits, smothered in gravy.  Now here's where 
        it gets tricky.  You're gonna need some anchovies.  
Harry:  Excuse me. [and rushes to the bathroom]  
Cooper: That should do it.  
  
Gordon: HARRY, THE BEST CURE I EVER CAME ACROSS FOR A 
        HANGOVER IS RAW MEAT, AND PLENTY OF IT.  YA BREAK AN 
        EGG ON IT.  ADD IN SOME SALTED ANCHOVIES, TOBASCO 
        AND WORCESTERSHIRE SAUCE. [Harry, again rushes to 
        the bathroom]  IF YOU WANT WE CAN ORDER IT UP  
        FOR YA.  [Cooper and Gordon smile at each other]  

Harry:  What do you recommend for a hangover?  
Annie:  Teetotaling and prayer.  
Cooper: Good answer.  
Harry:  I'll try some coffee.  

Ben:    Sometimes the urge to do bad is nearly overpowering.

# Cooper: Well, my symptoms suggest the onset of malaria, but I've
        never felt better in my life.

Johnny Horne:  Oouaaaahouaaaahouoooh!   (Ed note: Sp? :-)  
  
Irene:  Of all the people in the world, the best and the 
        worst are drawn to a dead dog.  Most turn away. Only 
        the pure of heart can feel its pain.  And somewhere 
        in between the rest of us struggle.  
  
Audrey: They have women agents?  
Denise: More or less.  

Gordon:  YOU ARE WITNESSING A FRONT THREE-QUARTER VIEW OF TWO ADULTS
        SHARING A TENDER MOMENT. [to Shelly] Acts like he's never seen
        a kiss before.
Cooper:  Uh, Gordon.
Gordon:  TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, SONNY.  IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.

# Cooper:  He has engaged us in subterfuge and red herring.  A fish I 
        don't particular care for.

Denise: I may be wearing a dress, but I still pull my 
        panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I 
        mean.  
Cooper: Not really.  
  
WE:     Tacit agreement is acceptable, Leo.  Your silence 
        speaks volumes.  Or if not volumes, at least the 
        occasional punctuated paragraph.  

# WE:   Leo, it looks like you finally found your calling.
  
Audrey:  I've examined his will Jerry.  If my father becomes 
        incapacitated, it all goes to me when I'm old 
        enough.  And I am old enough and he is 
        incapacitated.  Play it my way either way or the 
        only project you'll be developing is selling 
        baseboard heaters at the local cash-n-carry.  
Jerry:  What's happened to the man is a tragedy.  
Audrey: Yea, Jerry, it's a tragedy.  
  

Pete:   Now if there's chessboards in Heaven, Jose's sittin' 
        next to the Lord.  
  
Gordon: THE WORD LINKAGE REMINDS ME OF SAUSAGE.  NEVER 
        CARED MUCH FOR THE LINKS, PREFERRED THE PATTIES. BUT 
        BREAKFAST IS A REAL GOOD IDEA.  BONZAI.  REMEMBER 
        THOSE OLD WORLD WAR II MOVIES?  BONZAAIIIII!!!!  
WE:     AAAH, Damnation.  
Leo:    Buuurrrrp.  
  
Dwayne: She killed him with SEX.  

# Andy: Styrofoam never dies for as long as you live.
# Lucy: It doesn't?
  
Dick:   Oh she doth teach the torches to burn bright  (Andy 
        sighs) It seems she hangs against the cheek of night  
+ Doc:  Like a rich jewel in an ethiope's ear.  Beauty too 
        rich for youth, for earth too dear.  
  
Cooper: Harry, Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond.  It's 
        cold and hard and brilliant.  

WE:     Once upon a time there was a place of great goodness called
        the White Lodge.  Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy,
        laughing spirits.  The sounds of innocence and joy filled the
        air.  And when it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused
        one's heart with the desire to live life in truth and beauty.
        Generally speaking a ghastly place, reeking in virtue's sour
        smell, engorged with the whispered prayers of kneeling mothers
        and mewling newborns, and fool's young and old compelled to do
        good without reason.  heh, heh.
        But I am happy to point out that our story does not end in
        this wretched place of saccharine excess.  For there's another 
        place.  Its opposite.  A place of almost unimaginable power,
        chockful of dark forces and vicious secrets.  No prayers dare 
        enter this frightful maw.  Spirits there care not for good 
        deeds or priestly implications.  They as like to rip the flesh
        from you bones as greet you with a happy good day.  And if 
        harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled
        screams of broken hearts offer up a power so vast that its
        bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking.  Ah, this
        place I speak of is known as the Black Lodge and I intend to
        find it.
Rusty T:Hey man, the story's cool, but you promised me beer.
  
Dr Jacoby: What he needs right now is both your 
        understanding and a Confederate victory.  

# Mayor:  You put on a dress with a slit, oh, the slit cut halfway to 
        Seattle.
  
Dick:   But what I'm trying to make clear is that using a 
        stuffed animal to represent an endangered species as 
        an ecological protest constitutes the supreme 
        incongruity.  
  
Hawk:   Maybe we'd better just whistle on our way past the 
        graveyard.  
  
Doc H.: Is she sexually active?  
Ed:     Active?  Doc, I wake up every morning feeling like I 
        got hit by a timber truck.    

Mike:   Do you have any idea what a combination of sexual maturity
        and superhuman strength can result in.
        [Whispers to Bobby]
Bobby:  WHOOAA!!

Ben:    You'll have to excuse me.  The chef just tried to 
        stab Jerry.  
  
Albert: Get a life, punk.  

# Pete: Audrey, there are many cures for a broken heart, but nothing
        quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight.
  
Dr Jacoby:      Now what she does in fact possess is a 
        heightened sexual drive and a working knowledge of 
        technique, anatomy and touch that few men have ever 
        had the pleasure of experiencing or the skills to 
        match.  
Harry:  Is it hot in here?  
Cooper &
  Hawk: Yea.  

Lucy:   You can't do that!  
Pete (to Coop): My students.  
Lucy:   Mr Martell, Andy moved his knight without doing the 
        little hook thing.  
Andy:   You don't have to do the little hook thing, that's 
        optional.  
Pete:   Andy, uh, the knight has to do the little hook 
        thing.
Andy:   Every time?  
Pete:   It's a privilege.  No one else gets to make that 
        move.  
Andy:   Ok, Mr Martell.  
Lucy:   I guess some people don't know quite as much as they 
        think they do.  Check!  
 
 
Pete:   We forgot the weinies, all beef with the skin on 
        `em.  
 
# Audrey:  I'm a virgin.
# Jack:    A what?
# Audrey:  I want you to make love with me.
# Jack:    What?  Here and now?
# Audrey:  It's your jet.
# Jack:    Thank God for that. 
 
Ben:    I give you the little pine weasel found only in our 
        tri-county area.  It is nearly extinct.  
Jerry:  They're incredible roasted.  
  
Andy:   Once stimulated the female will respond in such a

I was hoping somebody else would post this, but nobody has, so...

Here are some excerpts from a June 28 Noel Holston TV column, printed in the
Minneapolis/St. Paul Star Tribune--the article is based on an interview with
Mark Frost, Minnesota native.

Headline: "Twin Peaks" heads for the big screen to resolve its multiple
cliffhangers [I'll put my comments in brackets...In this case, I think the
writer is clueless; NOWHERE does Frost indicate that this will resolve any
cliffhangers from TP's TV series.
Probably an overzealous headline writer.]

"Production of a TP film will begin in August, according to coexecutive
producer Mark Frost..."

"Frost said the movie, financed through a foreign syndication of the series
[does this mean overseas viewers will get to see TP reruns? Or was this
referring to the original broadcasts?] will have a bigger budget than the
weekly episodes [no shit,
really?] and will shoot more in the Pacific Northwest, although the existing
interior sets in Van Nuys, CA also will be used."

"'IF THE MOVIE WORKS, I SUPPOSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO LIKE A 'STAR TREK'
MOVIE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, if that's what we [Lynch & Frost] want to do,'
Frost said."

"While Lynch and TP head writer Bob Engles have been working up the movie
script, Frost has been in New Orleans directing his first theatrical freature,
'Storyville,' a political drama that takes its name from the city's turn of the
century red-light
district." [Oh boy! More brothels!]

"Next spring Frost is scheduled to direct another feature, a romantic comedy he
wrote called "The 72 Hour Club." MEANWHILE, HE AND LYNCH HAVE A SIX EPISODE
COMMITMENT FROM ABC [commitment from ABC? ABC, make a commitment? Flame mode
off...] FOR "ON THE
AIR" a sitcom about an early 1950's live TV show, which will go into production
in early fall.

"Reflecting on the experience of TP [in the ratings] Frost suggested that a
limited series which ended when Laura Palmer's murder was solved may have been
a better way to go." [He goes on to explain that network TV required a series
which had the
possibility to be extended. Also, Frost says, TP wouldn't work as a
mini-series, because the networks want are more cautious: "Look at the fall
season...everybody has retreated from any kind of risk-taking at all."

"ALTHOUGH TWIN PEAKS HAS OFTEN BEEN LABELED LYNCH'S BABY, FROST ACTUALLY HAD
MORE HANDS-ON  INVOLVEMENT THAN LYNCH. The latter left TP to work on "Wild at
Heart" after directing the pilot and co-writing the first 2 weekly episodes
with Frost. "He wasn't
really around for the first season," Frost said. "It was me and Bob Engles and
Harley Peyton. We were shooting in an old ball-bearings factory with a skeletal
production staff, just barely making the shows for the budget we had. It was
like guerilla
filmmaking. We made seven shows in 49 days, and I guess that was what was so
much fun about it."

"Frost said ABC's top brass never cared much for the show, especially chairman
Leonard Goldenson, who he said openly expressed distaste. [FLAME MODE ON: So
what the hell does he like? "Young Riders"? "Doogie Howser"?  "Hard Copy"?
"Growing Pains"? "A
Current Affair" (zzzzzhhhhhWANG!)? Flamer off.] Despite ABC's INCREASED
MEDDLING AND ITS SUICIDE-MISSION SCHEDULING of the show last fall, Frst said he
woldn't trade the experience for anything. 'We got to write a long, extended,
multilayerd Victorian
novel and film the whole thing, and that was enormously satisfying. It was like
shooting every page of a Dickens book." [Dickens? I think not.]

ABC's censors on the cherry-stem: "I got an astonishing note from one of the
censhoad they thought the act of twisting the chery stem was in some way a
reference to oral sex. I called her up and said, 'What in the world would make
you think that? You must
have an absolutely filthy mind.' Censors, the whole idea is so childish. You
feel like you're talking to hall monitors in school again."

"I'm a realist about how the networks work," said Frost, who got his first TV
job writing for "The $6 million man" in 1974 while he was in college. "In a
business that's driven purely by economics, the fact that one or two unique
shows happen to get on
and reach the public for a brief time doesn't constitute a trend. I kept saying
let's wait and see what happens. I didn't think Twin Peaks would change
television. I thought TV would go on being what it's always been, which is a
kind of flea market for
entertainment browsers."


There you have it. 

Geez, I hope somebody else didn't post this while I was typing.


-Dan Becker

PS-sorry about the raggedy line breaks.

Well, if the movie will have most, some, or a lot of the current TP characters, 
it'll probably have to involve TP (the town) in some way. BUT, if it's *just*
TP, no Dale & Albert. So, my guess is, it'll probably have both the Teresa
Banks murder and Laura before she got shrink-wrapped.

This begs the question: What did Teresa and Laura have in common? Besides
really nasty manicures?

-Dan b.