Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In Article  <3757@lulea.telesoft.se> sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) wrote:
> >1: Was there something strange with Lauras shades ? It seemed to me that when
> >Maddie wore them (when she met Donna RR to give the shades to her) she seemed
> >'bad'. I believe that was when she trashed her glasses saying she hated them
> >and that she was never going to wear them again. It seemed to me like a bit out
> >of character. Also when Donna wore the shades, and she went to jail to see
> >James. That was (IMHO) out of character for Donna (almost pulling James through
> >the bars). So what about it ?
> >

Maddie trashed her own glasses. This was after seeing the vision of BOB 
on the red stain in the Palmer Household (Only red stain in U.S. version).

Donna (IMHO) was trying to win back james by acting like Laura. Because Maddie
looked almost exactly like Laura (same actress why wouldn't she) and James
was obviously interested in her, Donna tried to compete.

Brian

In article <60sy85w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:
> >Many of you are speeking as though we are going to find out  what will 
> >happen to Coop. The show was canseled. Does any one know of any continuatoin 
> >of the story that I don't? The movie takes place before the show from what  
> >I've heard. So is there a book or somthing coming out?

The latest rumor (in the infamous Parade magazine "Tweakies" article) is
of a two-hour conclusion to the two-hour conclusion.  But this is
probably wishful thinking.

But if the movie "Fire Walk With Me" is a success... who knows what Lynch
might end up making in future?

In article <3759@lulea.telesoft.se> sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> >Yes, I agree that both Donna and Maddie were supposed to be out of character,
> >but the question is why ? Maddie said she liked it, but does that mean that
> >she just did it for fun or that the shades helped her ?

The shades were probably just a symbol of Laura's continued presence.
(Perhaps a pun...  shade=ghost?  Just a thought...)  Maddy and Donna were
simply showing their own Laura-like sides, which they had kept hidden
up to that point.

Either that, or Donna was being influenced by Laura's spirit in much the
same way MIKE controlled the one-armed man.  Laura/Donna wanted the shades
as a hint to who she really was.

Of course, the real reasons for both their out-of-character actions were
that Sheryl Lee was sick of wearing the glasses, and Lara Flynn Boyle had
complained about how normal and boring her character was.  ;-)

In article <1991Sep10.195529.1@csc.anu.edu.au> gal502@csc.anu.edu.au writes:
> >be destroyed. I think what he had in mind was an interesting start to a third
> >series, without the problems that occured at the start of series 2, with Bob
> >dead and no reason for Cooper to remain.But no third series has eventuated as
> >yet.

Where exactly are you posting from?  In America the first series ended with
Cooper getting shot, and the BOB / Who Killed Laura Palmer plot ended
nine episodes into the second.  Maybe the break was different overseas.

And just to confuse things even more, the second series included a
production break after the death of Jean Renault, and the cast's contracts
came up for renewal in the middle of the next production block (I think
that's why Josie, James, and Hank all left so suddenly in episode 2016).

> >        As for the rest of the final episode, I enjoyed it a lot, especially
> >with DL back in the directorial chair. I thought Kyle seemed to enjoy the role
> >of the evil Cooper, but I can't blame him, since Cooper has been such a zero
> >for so long! (This line is meant to provoke)

If you're looking for argument, you probably won't get it from me.  It's
been hashed out for a long time here that the brilliant deductive genius
from the early episodes completely lost it in the middle of season two.
All we can argue about is when the brain-rot set in -- my guess would
put it immediately after he got shot, when he stopped looking for hard
evidence and started relying on the drug-induced ramblings of the one-
armed man...

> > I hope this posts OK. This is my first attempt at contributing to news.
> >     Graeme Lindsell. 

Welcome aboard.

Except for the pilot, the first season IS seven episodes long.  The
first season was a midseason replacement show.  There were something
like 29 episodes total - 7 in the first season and 22 in the second,
not including the pilot.

Brian

> >This is very insightful.  What's your point?  I recently found this mailing
> >list so I don't know what has/has not been stated earlier.

> >Wayne J. Rasmussen

My, a bit testy today, aren't we?  My posting was meant to be a humorous
comment, referring to the fact that we went through days and days of agony
(and fun) analyzing this stuff, and now we will do it all again as the rest
of the world catches up.  That's OK.  We need to refresh our collective
memories and maybe some new tidbits will also surface.  The comment is also
a quote from TP, which is what makes it humorous.  Sorry if you were offended.

Brian

In article <1991Sep10.185218.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c8730752@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:
> >subject: domino
> >
> >don't know if this has come up before, anyway:
> >
> >it seems to be that the way some TP characters interact with each other
> >like lining dominos up one after another in a line and then tipping one 
> >over to start off a chained reaction. eg: Shelly is bullied by Leo, Leo 
> >is beaten by Hank, Hank by the Asian Man and the Brothers Horne.
> >(there might be more than one character menacing the other) 
> >comments anyone?

The asian man (Mr. Lee I believe) was killed by Josie.  Josie was killed
by Bob (I believe the conclusion here is that she died of fright)



-- ******************************************************** Greg T. Goin' blind analyzing simulation data

In article <1991Sep10.173557.15712@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
|> goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
|> 
|> >sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas) writes:
|> 
|> >>In article <1991Sep4.223345.9182@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
|> salisbur@cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury) writes:
|> >>>
|> >>>The trailer park manager was Harry Dean Stanton (I don't know who
|> >>>he is.  Someone else told me this.)  
|> >>>
|> >>Harry Dean Stanton is a GREAT actor. Check him out in the movies
|> "Repo
|> >>Man" and "Paris, Texas", to name but two. The first is real
|> >>"Alternative" stuff, but fascinating. The second is a GREAT movie
|> by the
|> >>director Wim Wenders (sp?) -- I think -- definitely in my top ten
|> >>all-time great films.
|> 
|> >>Steve
|> 
|> 
|> >Not to mention Ridley Scott's A|L|I|E|N (for anybody who doesn't
|> know, he plays
|> >the mousey guy wearing a cap all the time).
|> 
|> >He has also been in "UFOria" - an ok film, p'raps more appealing to
|> his fans
|> >(Also, Deborah Harry (sp?) mentions him in her single "I want that
|> man":
|> >"...I wanna dance with Harry Dean...", or something  like that).
|> 
|> Also:  DEATHWATCH (hard to find, but well worth it), WILD AT HEART
|> (as I'm
|> sure we all know), PRETTY IN PINK (no comment), etc., etc.
|> 

I can't believe no one mentioned _Wild at Heart_, where he played the private
detective.  It was a Lynch film, after all....

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In article <goomcb32.684500251@vulcan>, goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
> > I know why WE's teeth were black and his face was white!:

When I saw him in that makeup, my first thought was, "He's doing it!  He's
found a way to become an evil Magus and it's working!  He'll get in that
Black Lodge for sure!"  Then I got disappointed next time we saw him and he
looked NORMAL.  I had hoped it was a progressive Dugpa kinda thing...

This ties in quite nicely with the recent "domino" observation.  As the new
bad guy becomes the "baddest dude in TP" (Leo to Hank to the Asian Man to Windom)
he does it not by being even badder than the previous bad guy, but by beating
the previous bad guy in a situation where he just sort of wimps out and gives
up his crown.  Leo didn't really STAND UP to Hank, etc.  Sure enough, WE wasn't
as BAD as his previous personal best, and BOB cleaned his clock.  Sigh.
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-- Did anyone notice the "too many peas" situation in episode 2019? Towards the end of the show, Donna is having dinner with her mum and dad (this is were she begins to suspect that something is going on between her mum and Ben). Anyway, her mum (Eileen) asks Donna to "pass the peas". Donna picks up the bowl near her and passes it to Eileen. They then talk for a while, then Eileen asks Donna to "pass the peas" again! And Donna then picks up the pea bowl again (which has mysteriously reappeared next to her again) and hands it to her mum. Is there any reason for this? [was one bowl of peas from the White Lodge and the other from the Black Lodge? :-] Cheers Renato Iannella --------------- Information & Computing Sciences Internet: ren@kowande.bu.oz.au Bond University, AUSTRALIA, 4229 COMPMAIL: r.iannella Phone: +61 75 953381 Fax: 953333 Mac: renato_iannella@macmail.bu.oz.au

Hi all!

I missed seeing the drug raid episode (the one where Denise saves Coop in
the white house), and forgot to tape it.  Originally, I thought that
ABC would show summer reruns (like the previous summer) and I could tape
it then, but alas, no more TP.

If I sent a blank tape, would someone copy that episode and send it back
to me?  I'll include all postage costs.  I live in the San Francisco
Bay Area (if that makes a difference)!

Email me if you think you can help.  Thanks!

Lee Anne

In article <3759@lulea.telesoft.se> sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> >Yes, I agree that both Donna and Maddie were supposed to be out of character,
> >but the question is why ? Maddie said she liked it, but does that mean that
> >she just did it for fun or that the shades helped her ?

I doubt that they are "evil sunglasses."  There is really no
evidence.  The only times we even saw the sunglasses (I think)
were at the RR (1st show, second season), Donna walking into the
Police Station (Lucy says, "Donna?"), and when Donna delivers 
the tape of "Just you and I" for Leland to mail to Maddy.  

Rewatch the scene where Donna makes a night visit to Laura's grave and
also the scene where Maddy talks to James before she "leaves" and maybe
you'll understand that there was this theme brought into the show 
(mostly 2nd season) that people wanted to be like Laura. 

Besides, if an inanimate object is possessed by a spirit, it *at least*
has to have some wood in it.  :)

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <9085@cs.tulane.edu> <wjr@PHOENIX.SCH.Symbolics.COM> writes:
> >In article <H2sy84w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:
>> >> wjr@PHOENIX.SCH.Symbolics.COM writes:
>> >> 
>>> >> > In article <1991Sep6.015224.25931@Aus.Sun.COM> richb@Aus.Sun.COM (Rich Burrid
>>>> >> > > DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:
[slightly editted] 
>>> >> >I am not sure if LP is always LP. One time when she screams and moves close 
>>> >> >Coop, the face is strobed with light, you can see WE's Face! If you play
>>> >> >it back one frame at time you will see this. So is it WE playing LP or Visa 
>>> >> >Perhaps it is Bob.

>> >> I thought that BOB played everyone in the Black lodge and that every one 
>> >> meets there double there it they can face it then they go to the white lodge 
>> >> Cooper ran away from his double so it follows that he will be trapped in the 
>> >> Black Lodge.

> >If I remember correctly, Hawk said you meet your evil self there.  An evil WE
> >which is an opposite of WE is strange. Hawk's statement could be a red herring.

You can in fact see WE's face in that scene-- although I'm not sure that
this means BOB was Laura at that time.  The last scene where we saw
different faces flash over someone was with Leland/BOB.  This suggests
that WE was "disguised" as Laura in that scene and not BOB.

Second, Hawk did not say that one meets an "evil self" in the Black
Lodge, he said "shadow self."  So, if you have a problem with WE meeting
someone/thing in the Black Lodge, you could assume that his
"other self" is not the same kind of being as Cooper's "other self."

Also, Hawk didn't say that one would be trapped in the Lodge if they
can "face it," he said that if you "confront the Black Lodge with
imperfect courage, it will utterly annhilate your soul." I assume
that we saw WE's soul "utterly annhilated" or at least "taken" by
BOB, but Coop actually did show some courage in his willingness to
give his soul for his love. 

Here's a transcript of Hawk's discussion on the Lodges:
------
Cooper: Have either of you fellows heard of a place called the White Lodge?

Hawk: Where'd you hear of it?

C: Well, it was the last thing Major Briggs said to me before he disappeared.

H: Cooper, you may be fearless in this world but there are other worlds.

C: Tell me more.

H: My people believe that the White Lodge is a place where the spirits that
   rule man and nature here reside.

Truman: Local legend, goes way back.

H: There is also a legend of a place called the Black Lodge, the shadow self of 
   the White Lodge. Legend says that every spirit must pass through there on
   the way to perfection.  There you will meet your own shadow self.  My 
   people call it the dweller on the threshold.

C:Dweller on the threshold.
 
H:But it is said if you confront the Black Lodge with imperfect courage,
  it will utterly annihilate your soul.

------

Rocky Giovinazzo.

_Entertainment Weekly_ (Sept. 13, 1991) says that Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs)
will star with Tracey Needham in Fox's _Bonnie and Clyde: The True
Story_.  No broadcast date is given.

Also, Dennis Hopper will costar with Jodie Foster in the thriller
_Catchfire_ on Showtime in December.

Since there are apparently many "cult-tv" fans on this group, I thought
I'd also mention that the 17 episodes of the Prisoner as well as all 
1,225 half hours of Dark Shadows will be shown on the Sci-Fi 
Channel this winter when they begin their broadcasts.

Rocky Giovinazzo

This is just a couple of opinions.

Firstly, I didn't notice any time that Cooper was avoiding water and if he did,
I believe he would have only done it in the black lodge.
Also, I believe as I did throughout the series that the Giant and the old man
from the hotel were the one and the same as the giant said in the black lodge.
I don't believe the dwarf fitted into the picture as he was seen at the same
time as the giant.  Being one and the same, the giant and the old man weren't
shown together.
In think it was one interesting observation in news that the white lodge and
black lodge were both shown in the final episode.  In that case, did the people
seem to be separated by the rooms?  I remember seeing Bob in one manifestation
or another in both rooms.  This leads me to believe that only the black lodge
was shown in the final episode.  Besides which, if one room was the white lodge
then it certainly didn't fit the picture I had of it.
On the matter of which Cooper came out of the black lodge, I am pretty certain
that it was the Dopelganger(Dopelgangers only display their unusual eyes when
in the black lodge) of Cooper that came out.  The big question is - is it the
real Annie which came from the black lodge or another dopelganger?
I don't think that the Annie which came out is in any way affected as Bob seems 
to inhabit only one host at a time.  I think this is what was happening in the
Black lodge scenes - Cooper was seeing both the captured people(entranced by
the force of the black lodge whilst in the middle of the sycamore trees) and
then seeing them (in some cases) in a Bob-inhabited state.  Remember Laura
coming at Cooper over the lounge chair with Bob's motions exactly?  Also,
remember when she was screaming and then stopped suddenly as Bob left her?
I think there is only one copy of each person in the lodge(except Cooper) but
they are inhabited by Bob while they are there.
I do have a couple of questions though - 
1.What is the BEST version of the Twin Peaks pilot? - The US version or the
Euroversion?
2.Are the entire first and second series available in Australia on video or
only portions of them?
This is my first post(good to see new participants eh?) so I hope I haven't
wasted my ideas and typing on a message that won't send!!
Keep on Peaking.....

Don Sharp ....ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au
(A small man from another place...)

Disclaimer...The opinions expressed here relect in no way the opinions of my
             university...hell, I didn't know I had any opinions in the first
             place - noone told me...

In article <9109110028.AA10805@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU ("Matthew S Trevor ", No relation to Harry S Truman) writes:
> >
> >Well, that's the end of the Australian run of Twin Peaks. Last night's 
[... Lots of stuff I don't know the answer to...]
> >
> >5 Does anyone know what the song was that Coop heard when he first entered 
> >the Lodge?
> >
YES!  Do I win the prize?  That song was written for the show, and it's
called "Under the Sycamores".  Actually, this information was posted at
the end of the US run.  David Lynch wrote it, or co-wrote it.

> >So thats it? Half a year spent religiously following this program (no, it's 
> >far more than a program) and now Coop is stuck in the Black Lodge for good, 
> >and we'll never know the answers to our questions?
> >

Well, I'm not sure that Coop is stuck in the Black Lodge for good, er,
did you mean "forever" or "for the sake of good?"  My interpretation of
the bathroom scene was that Coop was battling Bob, or Bob was trying 
to kill Coop, in the same manner that Leland and Bob did battle in the
jail cell, i.e. bashing the head against the wall.

And don't get too upset, I'm sure that if there were more shows, we
*still* wouldn't know the answers to our questions.  There are plenty
of questions from the first season that were never answered.  

cheers,
-carol


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Carol Osterbrock                        *  Such a long, long time to be gone, 
carolo@cis.ucsc.edu                     *     And a short time to be there...
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Once again more Australian speculations :

1 The idea that the Black and White lodge coexist is represented by the floor
of the Lodge, the black and white zigzagged pattern...

2 I, too, would like to know why WE appeared with a white face and black teeth.

3 I'm dubious about the Major being a good guy. *Why* would a (as yet 
unidentified) spirit manifest itself through Mrs Palmer to tell him that 
"I'm in the Black Lodge with Dale Cooper." It sounds to me very much in the
vein of "Everything is going as planned..." Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

4 Excuse the repost, but I didn't see my last posting around, and got very few
replies to it, so I'm resending it after this...please be patient with me.


Matthew S Trevor
dpmt@uqeve.cc.uq.oz.au

> >Did anyone notice the "too many peas" situation in episode 2019?

> >They then talk for a while, then Eileen asks Donna to "pass the peas"
> >again! And Donna then picks up the pea bowl again (which has mysteriously 
> >reappeared next to her again) and hands it to her mum.

It really wasn't that complicated.  During the conversation, her mother
tries to change the subject and wants the peas.  She takes some, and
passes them on to old Doc Hayward, who passes them back to Donna's left
as they are speaking.  In a ridiculously obvious attempt at getting 
Donna to stop talking about the relationship between mom and Ben, she
asks for the peas again.  You know how ridiculous it is as she mounds
even more peas on her plate (it is virtually filled.)  That's how
unnerved
Donna's mother was.

> > In article <goomcb32.684500251@vulcan>, goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
>> > > I know why WE's teeth were black and his face was white!:
> > 

Because it looked really evil and made a GREAT transition when they went
from his teeth to the pie.  I loved it and didn't read anymore into it.

Mort

There seems to be so many variations to the video information that I
thought I'd post some information from Advance Comics, which is offering
the tapes:

The European pilot is coming from Warner's with a suggested retail price
of $79.99.

ANOTHER company is issuing Twin Peaks vol. 2-8, which includes the rest
of the first season on seven tapes at $14.95 each.  The seven tapes will
also be sold in a slipcase for $99.95.

Note that these tapes should be out RSN (possibly within a week).

-- Joel Tscherne Cleveland Free-Net: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu ====================================================================== Quote on strike for better working conditions.

In article <9109110028.AA10805@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU ("Matthew S Trevor ", No relation to Harry S Truman) writes:
> >2 When Bobby was at the Miss Twin Peaks contest, he saw Margaret at the 
> >bar, then turned around to see "Margaret" standing behind him. The initial 
> >illusion was that Margaret had moved between two locations in an impossible 
> >amount of time, yet the truth was revealed when the second Margaret turned 
> >out to be Earle. However, Margaret obviously did move quickly, for when 
> >Bobby turned around to face the bar again, the sleazy choreographer was 
> >still standing by Margaret's stool, waving his hands in empty air with a 
> >stunned expression on his face...

Yeah, this is just one of those *WEIRD* things that happens all the time in tp
(how did cooper know she would be there in 1 minute?). It could be some
psychic activity (like "I'm in the black lodge with cooper"). But note also
that the "weasel man" looked a bit loaded, and margaret is just the sort
of person to get up in move at a rate of knots (the WM was looking the other
way, as was bobby, I think), to go get some oil.

> >3 I understand that one of the underlying factors of the story is 
> >"duality". However, I had assumed the the Giant and the old man who worked 
> >at the Great Northern were the same, or connected in some way. Yet while 
> >Coop was in the Lodge, the Giant sits down next to the Little Man and says 
> >"One and the same". Is he refering to the dwarf, or to the old man (who was 
> >also in the same scene)? And if the Giant has been helping Coop, giving the 
> >appearance of good, just why is he in the Black Lodge?

both ?

> >4 Coop meets Laura in the Black Lodge, and one of the things she says is 
> >"I'll see you again in 25 years". Was this refering to the first dream that 
> >Coop had involving LP (he was an old man in the dream) or a bit of 
> >atmospherics/foreshadowing on the part of Lynch?

In the euroversion, the dream sequence is subtitled as being 25 years later,
also in the series, cooper referes to the dream being 25 years later, and
also, aparantly laura also refers to the dream-meeting in her secret diary
as being either 25 years later, or referring to cooper as "an old man" (he
does look a little older, but you probably wouldn't notice this if you weren't
looking for it.

> >5 Does anyone know what the song was that Coop heard when he first entered 
> >the Lodge?

I'll probably find out this weekend (when me brudder comes home from sydney
with the tape) - I did notice that Lynch seemed to be credited as the
lyrics author, but the credits were especially fast in this episode.

> >So thats it? Half a year spent religiously following this program (no, it's 
> >far more than a program) and now Coop is stuck in the Black Lodge for good, 
> >and we'll never know the answers to our questions?

It's NOT all over. It will happen again.

(It's about 1:00am, and "Miss Teen U.S.A." just came on... GACK!

MHG

Well, that's the end of the Australian run of Twin Peaks. Last night's 
episode had to have been one of the most intense of the series (yes, IMHO).
A malevolent Coop: up until now those too words would have been considered 
mutually exclusive. But Coop standing in the bathroom saying "How's Annie?" 
and giggling is a scene I shall not soon forget...

Now it's question time, questions which were no doubt done to death after 
the series ended in America, but as I was avoiding this news group at the 
time (I didn't want any surprises ruined) I've missed all the answers to 
questions pertaining to the last several episodes.


1 One of the puzzle boxes that Kathryn, Andrew and Pete were trying to open 
had a circle on one face composed of phases of the moon. Andrew would say a 
date ("Josie's birthday","Eckhart's Birthday"...) and then press _3_ of the 
moon symbols. Yet if the symbols represented dates, wouldn't he have only 
pressed one for each date?

2 When Bobby was at the Miss Twin Peaks contest, he saw Margaret at the 
bar, then turned around to see "Margaret" standing behind him. The initial 
illusion was that Margaret had moved between two locations in an impossible 
amount of time, yet the truth was revealed when the second Margaret turned 
out to be Earle. However, Margaret obviously did move quickly, for when 
Bobby turned around to face the bar again, the sleazy choreographer was 
still standing by Margaret's stool, waving his hands in empty air with a 
stunned expression on his face...

3 I understand that one of the underlying factors of the story is 
"duality". However, I had assumed the the Giant and the old man who worked 
at the Great Northern were the same, or connected in some way. Yet while 
Coop was in the Lodge, the Giant sits down next to the Little Man and says 
"One and the same". Is he refering to the dwarf, or to the old man (who was 
also in the same scene)? And if the Giant has been helping Coop, giving the 
appearance of good, just why is he in the Black Lodge?

4 Coop meets Laura in the Black Lodge, and one of the things she says is 
"I'll see you again in 25 years". Was this refering to the first dream that 
Coop had involving LP (he was an old man in the dream) or a bit of 
atmospherics/foreshadowing on the part of Lynch?

5 Does anyone know what the song was that Coop heard when he first entered 
the Lodge?

I understand that some of these questions haven't been answered by the 
show, but wild stabs in the dark will do fine.

So thats it? Half a year spent religiously following this program (no, it's 
far more than a program) and now Coop is stuck in the Black Lodge for good, 
and we'll never know the answers to our questions?

Sigh. I can understand the outrage on alt.tv.twin-peaks now...


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Matthew Trevor (Morpheus) | 
Uni of Queensland.  |
DPMT@uqeve.cc.uq.oz.au  |
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"We waste no part of the animal"
- Koko
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Hey, I like that idea!  I don't think anyone ever came up with a good
explanation for the domino that Hank (?) was holding in a couple of
episodes.


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

The Euroversion is supposed to be $79.95, and a collector's edition
of the first seven episodes excluding the pilot is supposed to be $99.95.
That's how much I paid our video store for them.  Despite published
reports of a Sept. 11 and Sept 12 release date for the two, respectively,
the video store manager said that her buyer said that the actual
release date had slipped to Sept. 26.  She said sometimes they announce
stuff to see if there will be any interest, then modify the actual
release date accordingly.  I don't know whether a slip means they got
flooded with orders or whether they slipped to allow more orders to
surface.  Anyway, if you pay $114 for the collector's edition, you'll
pay too much!  If it's something else (like maybe the American TV pilot),
then I don't know.


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

In article <9109110407.AA17606@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

   Also, I thought the reason Coop was bleeding wasn't because of the old 
   gunshot wound (I can't remember who posted this, something about Coop 
   having his life flash before him) but because Earle stabbed him. The 
   bleeding before the stabbing was indicative of the fact that time didn't 
   travel normally within the waiting room/lodges.

Well, it could also have been because of his previous stab wound, from
Pittsburgh.  Note that he starts to bleed when he enters the room
where he sees Caroline lying on the floor.  In fact, he sees himself
and Caroline lying on the floor, much as they must have been when
Earle killed Caroline and stabbed Cooper.  It also does prefigure
(and, possibly, follow, in the XXX Lodge backwards way) Earle's
``stabbing'' of Cooper.

-30-
Bob

Just got off the phone with my local video distributor.

As for the TP Gift Set, it IS the entire first season minus the 2-hour
pilot on seven videocasettes packaged in a cardboard log. It sells for
different prices around the country, but I'm getting mine for $99.95
plus tax. The street date for these is September 22, a Sunday. You may
want to call up your local video store to put in your special order,
because few stores buy extra sets to sell to the public, and they may be
able to get discounts for multiple purchases, whereas you could not
through the distributor (if the public can even order thru the
distributor).

The 2-hour pilot should be on the shelves by the 20th from Warner and
will sell for $79.95. This will have a new ending. Once again, the best
and cheapest way to obtain a copy for yourself is to advance order thru
your local videostore.

'Roo

  Personally, I thought that Cooper was supposed to face his
shadow-self not run away from it. If Cooper had shown he was
a little braver maybe he would have won and we might have
seen the White Lodge as it was said by Hawk.

My housemate proposed this theory :

Coop never made it to the Black Lodge. The dwarf did say that it was "the 
waiting room", and the fact that every direction Coop went in lead back to 
it seems to indicate that he was not ready/prepared to go on. You could 
also find justification in this with the floor pattern - black and white 
united. This also explains why both "good" and "evil" spirits were running 
around...

Also, I thought the reason Coop was bleeding wasn't because of the old 
gunshot wound (I can't remember who posted this, something about Coop 
having his life flash before him) but because Earle stabbed him. The 
bleeding before the stabbing was indicative of the fact that time didn't 
travel normally within the waiting room/lodges.



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"We waste no part of the animal"
- Koko
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You know, I'm tired of people calling the European film version
of Twin Peaks 'the pilot episode...with a new ending by the way.'
It's *not* the Pilot.  

Now, I know episodes 2-7 will be sold through video stores,
as is the European version, but is Episode 1 a.k.a. the Pilot,
the one we've all seen on T.V. way back on April 8th in 1990
ever going to be available on video?  It would be stupid to have
the entire first season of TP without the *real* first episode.

Aargh.  My videotape of the very first Twin Peaks episode is
no longer among the functional.  Ouch.  So, is there anyone
who can offer me some help?  Let me know what it would take.  

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
-RJ Mical   (e-mail me at rjmical@ntg.com)                       How's Annie?

"I didn't do it ... I wouldn't refuse to deny that I had dismissed 
the thought of not doing it, but I didn't do it."   -Joe Frank

The latest Fire Walk With Me guest star, according to today's USA Today
Life section (front page):

David Bowie.

Hmm.  With Chris Isaak already appearing, and the inevitable Julee Cruise
guest shot...  do you smell "Twin Peaks: The Musical" in the offing?

C'mon, you parodysmiths out there could have a LOT of fun with this one...

In article <9100@cs.tulane.edu> wjr@PHOENIX.SCH.Symbolics.COM writes:


   > (or evil) being something to be purged is a bit too simplistic.  Hawk
   > also calls the "shadow self" the "dweller on the threshold".  Threshold
   > of what?  You obviously have to deal with the doppleganger before
   > getting through the doorway - i have assumed that the doorway to the 
   > White lodge is the goal.  Maybe not.  In psychological sense it probably
   > has something to do with being able to contain your "evil" side
   > (reminiscent of Star Trek's episode when Captain Kirk is split into his
   > aggressive and compassionate parts...)
   So has Major Briggs been through the black lodge?

If he has, that's probably classified.  (I'm not being as facetious
here as it might seem--there's nothing that says that you go directly
from the Black Lodge to the White Lodge, only that one happens before
the other.  He could have been there years ago, and maybe not even
remember it, or at least not feel it's necessary to divulge how and
when he got there.)

Barb Miller

    Now that we've been given the official news on the video release of Twin
Peaks in the United States, what is the Australian situation.  If it goes by
everything else, we should expect the tapes to be released in late 1992 at a
price of $300.  -but I would appreciate if someone would send me the correct
information as to price etc.
    Are you people out there actually planning on BUYING the stuff??  Aren't
there cheaper ways of getting the set?
    My last posting was my first one entitled MORE IDEAS... but it appears
no-one has read it as I haven't received any responses to the questions I asked
yet.  Is my letter getting posted or am I wasting my time writing all this
stuff?

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Don Sharp ....ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au /\    DDD    OO   NN N
(A small man from another place...)     /\    D  D  O  O  N NN
                                        /\    DDD    OO   N  N
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Disclaimer..My opinion is that people are too opinionated about opinions and
            offer unnecessary opinions on who's opinions they actually are...
            but that's just my opinion...

Could anyone with a list of quotes from Deputy Hawk please send them to
me at "pot@deakin.oz.au"
This would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
POT
..

PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  

In article <1991Sep11.144549.1@sask.usask.ca>, moorhouse@sask.usask.ca writes...

} You know, I'm tired of people calling the European film version of Twin
} Peaks 'the pilot episode...with a new ending by the way.' It's *not* the
} Pilot.  

} Now, I know episodes 2-7 will be sold through video stores, as is the
} European version, but is Episode 1 a.k.a. the Pilot,

And I'm tired of people calling the pilot "the first episode". As long as
you're going to make a big deal about nomenclature, you'd do well to get
things straight yourself.

The pilot is *not* Episode #1. It's the pilot. Call it Episode #0 if you
will. Episode #1 is the first one-hour episode. Lynch/Frost put no titles
on the episodes (even on the scripts), but designated them as "Episode #n",
and the seven one-hour first season episodes were referred to as #1-7, and
the second season episodes were referred to as #8-22. Lynch/Frost's
production numbers also reflected this, calling the first season episodes
#1001-1007 and the second season #2001-2022 (the production number for the
pilot is unknown).

Evidence of this?  Well, here is the way some of the 1990 Emmy nominations
read (relevant nominations only; while the format is mine, the data is
presented the way it was in the press releases):

    Writing, Drama             David Lynch and Mark Frost [Pilot]
                               and
                               Harley Peyton [Episode 3]
    Directing, Drama           David Lynch [Pilot]
    Single camera production
      Editing, series          Duwayne Dunham [Pilot]
    Art Direction              Leslie Morales [Pilot]
    Costume Design, series     Patricia Norris [Pilot]

Note that the pilot is referred to as "Pilot", not "Episode 1". And note
that Harley Peyton was nominated in the writing category for "Episode 3",
and if you look at a list below of the first season episodes and their
writers, you'll see that that can only be true if the pilot is *not*
considered to be "Episode 1".

0  pilot 08 Apr 90  Mark Frost & David Lynch
1  1001  12 Apr 90  Mark Frost & David Lynch
2  1002  19 Apr 90  Mark Frost & David Lynch
3  1003  26 Apr 90  Harley Peyton
4  1004  03 May 90  Robert Engels
5  1005  10 May 90  Mark Frost
6  1006  17 May 90  Harley Peyton
7  1007  23 May 90  Mark Frost

} the one we've all seen on T.V. way back on April 8th in 1990 ever going
} to be available on video? It would be stupid to have the entire first
} season of TP without the *real* first episode.

Well, yes it would, but...

While it's obviously too early to say that the "real pilot" will never be
released on video, there are no plans to do so. You see, there's a conflict
in the video rights. Aaron Spelling Entertainment holds the video rights
to all episodes of the series *except* the pilot. And the reason they don't
have the video rights to the pilot is because the rights to the Euroversion
are held by Warner Brothers. The release of the broadcast pilot by Spelling
would be an infringement on Warner's rights, since 90% or so of the content
of both versions is identical.

-- "Nice climate you have here. High oxygen content." "I rarely use it myself, sir. It promotes rust." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In <dekock.684153945@nyquist> dekock@nyquist.ee.wits.ac.za (Nick de Kock) writes:

> >As with most things, we got Twin Peaks long after most other civilised
> >countries. Our latest episode was the one with Major Briggs' messages
>from outer space. Is this a complete red herring? I read in The Economist
> >that Leland actually killed Laura - ie. Psycho Bob and Leland are the 
> >same guy. Is this true? 
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! - Please dont ask such questions.
I am still watching the series and (even though I have been suspecting Leyland
from the start) I dont even let myself read the unmarked SPOILERS.

> >Is there another series after the first one and if so what is its main 
> >theme (eg. "Who killed Laura Palmer?")? Finally I also see from previous
> >postings that TP has been cancelled. Why!!?

> >There are a number of Twin Peaks geeks out here who are dying to know.
I am not a geek!! Between TP and American Chronicles, SABC is finally worth
watching on Mondays and Tuesdays!

(By the way, I noticed you had "global" as your distribution. Is this correct
or should you have used "world". You may be disappointed to get replies from
a guy in the same department as you but this may be the only one that you get.
)

Cheers,




--
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Taki Milionis  milionis@odie.ee.wits.ac.za
Network Managermilionis@nyquist.ee.wits.ac.za
Electrical Engineering------------------------------
Wits University

Ok, I havent been on the newsgroup since school ended last semester, so
I want to know the following:

I would like to get Twin Peaks (The Series) on Videotape.  

My Question, EXACTLY what is available?  

Frank

In article <9109110407.AA17606@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

> >Coop never made it to the Black Lodge. The dwarf did say that it was "the 
> >waiting room", and the fact that every direction Coop went in lead back to 
> >it seems to indicate that he was not ready/prepared to go on. You could 
> >also find justification in this with the floor pattern - black and white 
> >united. This also explains why both "good" and "evil" spirits were running 
> >around...
If you believe Mrs. Palmer's possessed voice, "I'm in the
black lodge with Agent Cooper," then we can assume that Cooper
was in fact in the black lodge.  I believe that we did see different
rooms.  They just happened to all have the exact same floors and drapes.

Rocky Giovinazzo

The human representitive of Mike (the one armed man) is named somthing 
Gerade. In the Fugitive the sherif looking for the fugitive who's wife was 
killed by the one armed man was named somthing Gerarde. Is there any 
relation? I posted a message asking if anyone would be interested in making 
our own sequle of TP. I got two responses. If any one elce wants to help 
mail me. Also what do you think that the next episode of TP should be about> 
?

Hey Brian,

What is will your postings? (Re: Troy? Not proof enoulgh! Re: Good
Shows)  Come on, many people who are posting on the bboards are on
breaks from work, classes, etc. I know I often find when I post
something and don't have time to check it. I can understand that this
might bother you, but I don't think this is the best way to deal with
it. All you are doing is making a few people feel foolish, there is no
need for that.

On 08-Sep-91 in Re: Final TP episode         
user Jason Haines@runx.oz.au writes:
> >In article <1991Sep7.131822.18253@marlin.jcu.edu.au>
cplma@marlin.jcu.edu.au (L
> >ynn Alford) writes:
>> >>Remember that the Black Lodge was plagued with doppelgangers (sp?).
>> >>Cooper might *still* be in the lodge or transported somewhere else.  So
>> >>that might be a completely fake Coop (there was at least one Cooper
>> >>double in the lodge.)
> > 
> >The interesting conclusion I came to with respect to the doppelgangers is
> >that great good or bad can be performed through the exchange of doppelgangers
> >between the Black Lodge and the outside world.

A doppelganger is an evil spirit that takes a human form. The twist with
a doppelganger is it takes the form of someone already living. Its
basicly something like an evil twin, all the evil in a person with none
of the good. Doppelgangers will then over power the real person and take
their life. There is an idea in different myths that everyone has a
doppelganger trapped in the spirit world, and if they are not careful
they might do something to free it from the spirit world. Maybe Coop
wasn't ready to go into the Lodge (remember what Hawk told him). In
doing so maybe he let his go. Hey its just an idea.
lisa roraback

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
===============================================================================
=

"First things first, but not necessarily in that order"  Dr. Who

In article <1991Sep12.190708.1477@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > If you believe Mrs. Palmer's possessed voice, "I'm in the
> > black lodge with Agent Cooper," then we can assume that Cooper
> > was in fact in the black lodge.  I believe that we did see different
> > rooms.  They just happened to all have the exact same floors and drapes.

As mentioned before, the closed captioning or the script (whichever)
said this was the "Voice of Windom Earle."  My own opinion is that poor
Windom thought he knew a bunch of things (including this) but he was
proven ignorant about all the ones that counted.  In short, just because
Windom thought he was in the Black Lodge doesn't mean he was.
-- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...

In article <10340055@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:
> >Hey, I like that idea!  I don't think anyone ever came up with a good
> >explanation for the domino that Hank (?) was holding in a couple of
> >episodes.

I asked the guy who plays Hank (damn, forgot his name...) if the number of
pips on the domino indicated anything (specifically, how many people Hank
had killed) and thus went from a double 3 in prison (Andrew, hit-and-run
victem, four others?) up to at least a double 4 (Leo, Coop, Jonathon, etc...)
and back down (as his victems reappeared)...  He said that they kept losing
the dominos on the set and having to use a different one.

Tim

I was wondering if interested people could post their most memorable
quote to the newsgroup....Yes, I know we have a complete list of quotes
but I would love to see what people's all-time favourites have been.


Regards,

Erik.

"There was a large group of insane men staying on my floor."

In article <7821@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <1991Sep12.190708.1477@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >> If you believe Mrs. Palmer's possessed voice, "I'm in the
>> >> black lodge with Agent Cooper," then we can assume that Cooper
>> >> was in fact in the black lodge.  I believe that we did see different
>> >> rooms.  They just happened to all have the exact same floors and drapes.
> >
> >As mentioned before, the closed captioning or the script (whichever)
> >said this was the "Voice of Windom Earle."  My own opinion is that poor
> >Windom thought he knew a bunch of things (including this) but he was
> >proven ignorant about all the ones that counted.  In short, just because
> >Windom thought he was in the Black Lodge doesn't mean he was.
Although I should have specifically said "WE," the reasons you
give are exactly why I start the statement with "If you believe."  There's
no hard evidence either way.  Plus, I'm not sure what you mean about WE
being ignorant about things except for his belief that he would easily attain
great power through the Black Lodge. Is this what you meant?  Anyway, I do 
believe that we saw the Black Lodge based on info given by Major Briggs, Lt. 
Riley, and Hawk (see previously posted transcript). (There's also that
map symbol with the dark and white rectangles separated by a thin
rectangle, but who knows what that means.)

Rocky Giovinazzo

Hello all!

Well I found the 1992 Twin Peaks calender at a bookstore in Ann Arbor MI today
and I thought you would like to know that it looks really cool!  All of our
lost friends from ^Twin Peaks^ are back in new photos never released before. 
The SRP was $10.95.  check your local bookstores for YOUR copy!





Best Regards,


Don

sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:

> >1: Was there something strange with Lauras shades ? It seemed to me that when
> >Maddie wore them (when she met Donna RR to give the shades to her) she seemed
> >'bad'. I believe that was when she trashed her glasses saying she hated them
> >and that she was never going to wear them again. It seemed to me like a bit out
> >of character. Also when Donna wore the shades, and she went to jail to see
> >James. That was (IMHO) out of character for Donna (almost pulling James through
> >the bars). So what about it ?

> >2: The pattern of blood on Coopers face in the end scene looked a lot like the
> >pattern of the blood on Annie when Harry found her by the 'oilpool'.

Also similar to Bens markings when he was hit.

brian@hplvec.lvld.hp.com (Brian Wood) writes:
Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
<end quote>

Ah, but I may have you beat.  A guy I recently worked with was named
Dale and he had named his son Cooper!  However, he didn't watch TP, so
he didn't realize how neat that was.  ;>

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

One very important entry seems to be left out.

Feb 88 - Theresa Banks murdered in Southwest Washington state.  This was
 stated in 1006 or so, by Andy to Cooper and Albert in reference
 to his research on "Leo locked in Hungry Horse".  Andy found that
 Leo was arrested in HH Montana at the time of the murder, so thus
 couldn't be the fingernail killer.

I believe the actual date was given in the episode, but I'm not sure.
Someone might want to check the particulars.

s
j

I also think that David Lynch really has never given us an "unhappy"
ending...the one in Wild At Heart was horribly sappy, and I felt unjustified,
but in all of the rest of his "odd" films (excluding EM and Dune) there
has been a happy ending, when all is good.  The entire point of Blue 
Velvet was good trumphing over evil--the robin eating the cockroach.
Even in Eraserhead, by far Lynch's most dark and dismal film, a film
which constructs an entire universe as being bad, at the end of the film
Henry (the Eraserhead) is taken by the Lady in the Radiator into Heaven
("where every thing is fine") and they embrace.  
IMHO, I believe that Lynch is the cinema's biggest advocate of good over
evil.  The violence and wrongdoings in his dilms are rarely gratuitous
(except in a few scenes in Wild At Heart), but display violence as
something dispicable and wrong.  I believe that Lynch, in all his weirdness,
would want a normal, no-BOB Twin Peaks,  to be regarded as utopia.
 
  -Dave Cowen

In article <BARB.91Sep1100234@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:
> >One important thing to bear in mind is that the
> >FINAL episodes that you will be watching were intended to end a
> >SEASON, not the whole show.  It is likely to leave you asking more
> >questions than it answers.  It is partly because the questions that the
> >series raised are still there that we are still talking.  When you've
> >seen it, why not post your impressions and give us another go-round.
> >
> >Barb Miller

Since you've brought it up, did anyone happen to save the articles
from this group having to do with the final episode(s)?  I've just
gotten my account back, and I would be interested in seeing what
everybody thought of it.

If anyone saved any of them, please drop me a line.
--
John A. Breen
jab3@cec1.wustl.edu
johnb@hobbes.mdc.com

In article <1991Sep12.081853.19178@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com 
(The Film Fan Man) writes:
> > PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY ALERT!!!  PEDANTRY 
> > ALERT!!!  
> > In article <1991Sep11.144549.1@sask.usask.ca>, moorhouse@sask.usask.ca 
> >  writes...
> > 
> > [Trivial mistake deleted] 
> >
> > And I'm tired of people calling the pilot "the first episode". As long as
> > you're going to make a big deal about nomenclature, you'd do well to get
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > things straight yourself.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >  [stuff deleted].... the seven one-hour first season episodes were referred 
> >  to as #1-7, and the second season episodes were referred to as #8-22. 
                                                                  ^^^^^^^
> >  Lynch/Frost's
> > production numbers also reflected this, calling the first season episodes
> > #1001-1007 and the second season #2001-2022 (the production number for 
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
> > the pilot is unknown). 

Isn't it great fun to catch people at the very same mistakes for which they're 
flaming others? And in the very same posting - tsk, tsk!!

While we're at it - what is the official Lynch/Frost designation for the 
Jan. 26th episode?? Perhaps 2013.5 ?? The reason I need to know, is that I 
want to start a letter-writing campaign to get this episode aired in 
Norway as well - it somehow got lost on the way across the Atlantic, I 
believe. From what I've heard (and indeed believe from watching all the 
other episodes) this episode is essential for the understanding of 
everything that happens later on. My campaign would probably be most 
effective if support could be gathered from all around the world - so 
please help me with this. If you find the time, e-mail me at:
     OhNoh!@itis.happ.eningag.ain
Thanks in advance! :-)

Roar Larsen,
Trondheim, NORWAY

  Hot off the presses from MTV's "The Day in Rock".  Not only will
  Keifer Sutherland and Chris Issac play FBI agents in the upcoming
  "Fire Walk With Me" Film, but it was reported that David Bowie 
  has just finished filming HIS part as an FBI agent in the film.



-- -- jogle fc297303@seas.gwu.edu

SPOILERS for Dune and Elephant Man!


In article <0094E8C3.A8B6DC00@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> >but in all of the rest of his "odd" films (excluding EM and Dune) there
> >has been a happy ending, when all is good.
Unless you somehow found sympathy for the Harkonnen, and 
the Emperor, Dune _did_ have a happy ending.  The Fremen's savior
had arrived and it finally rained on Arrakis.  The content of the
story may have been disheartening (friend becomes a traitor, father's
assassinated, Paul uprooted from home planet, war, etc. ) but the
ending was not. As for the Elephant Man, the ending is less clear, 
but there is the whole idea of his (John's?) recognition
of his humanity.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <9109130014.AA13573@eros.cc.deakin.OZ.AU> legend@DEAKIN.OZ.AU (The Legend) writes:
> >I was wondering if interested people could post their most memorable
> >quote to the newsgroup....Yes, I know we have a complete list of quotes
> >but I would love to see what people's all-time favourites have been.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Erik.
> >
> >"There was a large group of insane men staying on my floor."


Don't flame me for misquoting to the letter, but here are three:

"Bonsai!!" - Said by Cole (played by Lynch) to Cooper about the (then)
present from Josie

"Do you have any idea what can be achieved with sexual maturity combined with
enormous physical strength?..."
   "..WHOAH!" - Mike explaining his "sudden interest in fossils" to Bobby.

"Leo, I think you've found your true calling!" - Windham Earle to Leo Johnson
(then being a horses arse)

MHG.

What I meant when I stated "excluding EM and Dune", I realize that they
DO have happy endings, but these were not Lynch-written films, they were based on a previous book.  But then again, so was Wild At Heart...
 
 -Dave

salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:

> >The human representitive of Mike (the one armed man) is named somthing 
> >Gerade. 

Philip Michael Gerard.
===========================================================================  
Captain Frank A. Lauro              fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Commanding Officer                  University of Illinois
USS ALEXA, NCC 1764-D               at Champaign-Urbana
================QUOTE OF THE [INSERT TEMPORAL DESIGNATION]=================
"You're the only one I ever loved."
"No, Davis.  You're the only one you ever loved."
---Davis MacDonald (Alec Baldwin) and Kristi Bainbridge Briggs
(Elizabeth McGovern), SHE'S HAVING A BABY, 1987

Just read in the Seattle P-I this afternoon that David Bowie was
in Seattle last week to film a part in "Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With
Me".  That's about all it said about the movie, the remainder of
the article talked about him shopping downtown.

-Eric-


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There have been a lot of posts about wether they were in the black lodge and 
evidence suporting both sides. Isn't it possable that then tey first entered 
they were in the waiting room and then at some point they entered teh lodge. 
Thus explaning the good charictures like the Giant. If he was good.

In article <4505@dali>, ieevlsi2@cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:
>> >>Did anyone notice the "too many peas" situation in episode 2019?
> > 
>> >>They then talk for a while, then Eileen asks Donna to "pass the peas"
>> >>again! And Donna then picks up the pea bowl again (which has mysteriously 
>> >>reappeared next to her again) and hands it to her mum.
> > 
> > It really wasn't that complicated.  During the conversation, her mother
> > tries to change the subject and wants the peas.  She takes some, and
> > passes them on to old Doc Hayward, who passes them back to Donna's left

Here's the senario:
When Cooper had the dream about the LMFAP, red drapes/curtains, "Laura" in the
5th hour of TP(episode 1004 ?) he calls Truman to meet him for breakfast.  
After a short talk with Audrey Truman and Lucy arrives and he orders some
food, then starts telling the dream.  When he was done, Truman asked what
the killer's name was and Cooper replied he cannot remember.  
So far so good.  The table they were at had only coffee cups and cream
and sugar all this while.  When Truman asked for the killer's name the table
space in front of him was clear.  Cut to Cooper, who said he cannot remember.
Cut back to Truman and Lucy. Truman: "Damn." Lucy: "Damn." hits the table with 
her hand. Now notice that *plates* have appear on the table. A hand at the
bottom left of the screen pours (refills) coffee. Cut back to Cooper who now
picks up a fork and knife just to begin eating from his *plate*.
Still with me? Good. Point is : What nifty editing ! 
Trying 2 for 2 :
Party scene for the Norweigians.  Ben was talking with a group. 
Kathrine comes up with a glass of wine, didn't get his attention and pours
the wine on his shoe. Cut to focus on Ben's shoes and wine pours and spills.
Cut to Ben noticing, then cut back to the shoes as Ben taps the wet shoe.
Notice the party streamers (or stuffs - stuffs is a good techincal word
to describe things :-)) in the shot of wine falling on shoe and the shot of
shoe tapping on wine.  Well the streamers had *moved* ! And it was no more
than a split second!
Who would have noticed unless you are *Nit-picking* *with* a *VCR* !? :-)

Well it's not exactly a quote but I died laughing when Coop reached over and
grabbed Harry's nose.


Randy Henne
System's Support
Florida State University
henne@nu.cs.fsu.edu

In article <morgan.684725920@phobos> morgan@socs.uts.edu.au (David Morgan) writes:
> >sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
>> >>2: The pattern of blood on Coopers face in the end scene looked a lot like the
>> >>pattern of the blood on Annie when Harry found her by the 'oilpool'.
> >Also similar to Bens markings when he was hit.

And to Leland's when BOB was bashing him into the cell door.

Okay, I admit it. One of the worst blunders of my life was not saving the
tapes I made of Twin Peaks. It was just one of those things like "Well, I
don't know if this show is going to turn out to be that good so I won't bother."
Also I was going through a disastrous relationship at the time and I wasn't
thinking too clearly.

So the point is, is there anyone who would be willing to lend me the tapes
of the first season for a short time? I will pay shipping, insurance, etc.
If you live in the Bay Area, I will pick them up and bring them back.

I'm recently married and my wife is tired of hearing me say, "You should have
seen the first few episodes"!

Eric Smith
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Hi, all!

This thread has been going on in rec.music.misc, regarding English
techno-dance-wierd group The KLF (you may have heard their single, 3AM Eternal,
getting heavy airplay on MTV). There have also been rumors that they were the
ones responsible for the "alien symbols" in a field in England..

In article <cs_cnxk@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> > amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend) writes:
> > 
>>> >>> Besides, what's this silly upcoming movie?? Would this be an extended
>>> >>> version the pathetic attempt at a concept video, "The Stadium House"? 
>> >>
>> >> Just another way to get more coverage, and ream some more profits.. 
> > 
> > THE WHITE ROOM has been their pet project for a couple of years now, and
> > is about half-finished.  They used up pretty much everthing they made on
> > the "Doctorin' The TARDIS" single to put it together, but that wasn't
> > enough to wrap it up.  They did the Stadium House trilogy when the remixed
> > "What Time Is Love?" charted like crazy and they saw the chance to raise
> > more money to finish the film.  Since "3 AM" actually made the top 5 in
> > the US ($$$), they probably will get on to wrapping up the movie after THE
> > BLACK ROOM (or whatever it ends up getting called) gets released and "It's
> > Grim Up North" runs its course. 

White Room/Black Room? White Lodge/Black Lodge? Hmmm....
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My favorite quote has to come from the fabulous Audrey Horne...
And excuse me if I don't quite remember it right...
 
"My family has...emotional problems...do you like my ring?"
 
  -Dave

In article <9074@cs.tulane.edu> <wjr@PHOENIX.SCH.Symbolics.COM> writes:
> >In article <1991Sep6.015224.25931@Aus.Sun.COM> richb@Aus.Sun.COM (Rich Burridge) writes:

[water references...]
> >When major Briggs returns, at the police station, Coop looks at a photo of
> >the marks on the majors neck. Water drips onto the photo.  Coop and Briggs
> >were fishing and therefore near water.  The white lodge may have a 
> >water connection.

I suspect that the Major-Briggs-sitting-on-a-throne-in-the-jungle scene
was the White Lodge to which he said he had been "taken."  The idea of
extensive vegetation would also imply a "water connection."

> >Magician longs to see
> >one path out between to worlds
Warning!  You're mailbox is going to fill up for this.  Be ready.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <4531@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas) writes:
> > In article <1991Sep4.223345.9182@beaver.cs.washington.edu> salisbur@cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury) writes:
>> >>
>> >>The trailer park manager was Harry Dean Stanton (I don't know who
>> >>he is.  Someone else told me this.)  
>> >>
> > Harry Dean Stanton is a GREAT actor. Check him out in the movies "Repo
> > Man" and "Paris, Texas", to name but two. The first is real
> > "Alternative" stuff, but fascinating. The second is a GREAT movie by the
> > director Wim Wenders (sp?) -- I think -- definitely in my top ten
> > all-time great films.
> > 
> > Steve

In article <1991Sep13.202031.173@amc.com>, erica@amc.com (Eric Arendts) writes:
> > Just read in the Seattle P-I this afternoon that David Bowie was
> > in Seattle last week to film a part in "Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With
> > Me".  That's about all it said about the movie, the remainder of
> > the article talked about him shopping downtown.
> > 
> > -Eric-
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >       Eric J. Arendts            
> >       Applied Microsystems Corp.  
> >       Redmond, Washington  USA   erica@amc.com (or) ..!uunet!amc-gw!erica

In article <1991Sep13.202031.173@amc.com>, erica@amc.com (Eric Arendts) writes:
> > Just read in the Seattle P-I this afternoon that David Bowie was
> > in Seattle last week to film a part in "Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With
> > Me".  That's about all it said about the movie, the remainder of
> > the article talked about him shopping downtown.
> > 
> > -Eric-
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >       Eric J. Arendts            
> >       Applied Microsystems Corp.  
> >       Redmond, Washington  USA   erica@amc.com (or) ..!uunet!amc-gw!erica

I an article goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
>> > >Harry Dean Stanton is a GREAT actor. Check him out in the movies "Repo
>> > >Man" and "Paris, Texas", to name but two. The first is real
> > Not to mention Ridley Scott's A|L|I|E|N 
> >
And of course WILD AT HEART (although he doesn't last the whole
movie...)  He's also in Lynch's "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" playing
"Slim" the deaf cowboy.




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In an article larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> > The dream sequence in the TV series and the ending tacked onto the European
> > film version of TP are identical.

99.9% identical, I noticed there's some footage of TMFAP holding/
caressing Laura's hand for a while. This scene is cut form the TV
version. It propably doesn't mean anything at all but let's discuss
this for a week and find one! ;^)

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From what I remember there are *two* tracks going into the woods, as
the previously posted map noted. I wasn't sure which one so I figured
I'd try the first one, the one closest to Snoqualmie. There was a
weathered "No Trespassing" sign but there are som many of those in
America I've become immune, and I *am* a stupid European tourist so I
promptly ignored it.

Anyway, I followed the tracks in and found it on the right hand side.
There's a set of steps leading up to the door on the end of the car,
this is visible in the episode. The car is full of old trash,
magazines, pots and pans etc. I didn't see a small mound of dirt, nor
a bloody towel :-( There was a lot more vegetation around it than on
TV. I saw a red-robbin sitting on it and a couple of deer was grazing
further up the tracks, minding their own business. Nice place.

There were no trains/cars on the track just next to it when I was
there (July). Maybe Lynch plans to use it again (last scene of the
movie...), so they've started to rearrange the place or the railroad
club (or whoever owns them) are fixing something up. There are some
great trains around there, I hate to see them just rust away.


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"J'ai une ame solitare."
the weird little lynch with the creamed corn



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"Too fearful to assume himself the onus of a decision, said Mr. Hackett, 
he refers it to the frigid machinery of a time-space relation."
Samuel Beckett, Watt

   The guy who died in Dr Fleischman's office from causes that were
at least a little mysterious was Leo.  (1) He liked
good boots (2) He had a note about picking up a shirt in his pocket,
and we know how fussy Leo was about his shirts...

   I have to admit it didn't look like Leo.  Details, details...

not!!!

my mom let me use the system, so mail her all you want, i won't get in 
trouble.

Anyway, I logged on to tell you to WATCH FOR SIGNS OF MY NEW STORY,
"Drunken Banana Pitstop Files", coming in November. E-mail me if you want
to get it mailed directly to you, so you won't have to read a newsgroup.
It's a parody of "Toxic Custard Workshop Files", and I do mean to obtain
permission to use my idea. So if you want to see it, mail me. 

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Mine also must come from the fabulous Audrey Horne, when Bobby was asking
her if he could buy her an ice-cream cone...

Bobby:  Cup or cone?

Audrey:  Cone...I like to lick.

Forgive me for not getting it perfectly.

David

 ``Men are always all right, right up until they pull the trigger.
Then the neighbors all go in front of the local news TV cameras
and say `He was such a nice guy.' ''

Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?

I think I'm going to like that show.....

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Would someone post me a list of all TP actors, please!
I did have one, but unfortunately I killed it!

Mail me: kkorhon1@vipunen.hut.fi

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> > reports of a Sept. 11 and Sept 12 release date for the two, respectively,
> > the video store manager said that her buyer said that the actual
> > release date had slipped to Sept. 26.  She said sometimes they announce

My best friend works at a video store, and we were looking through their
order catalog, and the release date was Sept. 22

Frank

In article <CLINDH.91Sep15092900@abalon.abalon.se>, clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh) writes:
> > Anyway, I followed the tracks in and found it on the right hand side.
> > There's a set of steps leading up to the door on the end of the car,
> > this is visible in the episode. The car is full of old trash,
> > magazines, pots and pans etc. I didn't see a small mound of dirt, nor
> > a bloody towel :-( 

Didn't *the* train car have "FIRE WALK WITH ME" written on its wall?  I would
think that would help to distinguish "the" car from lookalikes...!
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In article <CLINDH.91Sep15090850@abalon.abalon.se> clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh) writes:
> >

> >And of course WILD AT HEART (although he doesn't last the whole
> >movie...)  He's also in Lynch's "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" playing
> >"Slim" the deaf cowboy.
> >
What is "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" ?? Never heard of this...

> >
> >
> >


-- ==========================================================================

Does anyone have a list or know of any anonymous FTP sites that
carry Twin Peaks text files?  I'm already aware of 
audrey.sait.edu.au, I was wondering if there were any others.
Thanks!
 
  -Dave Cowen
   2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU
   Where all is bad, it must be good to know the worst.

> >Speaking of Lynchian actors, I hear that Laura Dern and her mother, Dianne
> >Ladd, are going to be appearing in an upcoming movie, the title of which
> >escapes me at the moment.  But it showed at the Telluride Film Festival
> >last week, and critics are predicting Oscars for it.

> >--
> >bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
> >brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
> >                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

"Rambling Rose" is the movie with Laura Dern and Dianne Ladd which did indeed
premier at Telluride to mixed reactions.  It's based on a Calder Willingham
novel and is more or less charming, life-affirming and
thoroughly mediocre but has dynamite performances from Ladd and Robert Duvall.
Dern is white trash with a gold heart who comes to be a nanny for a well-to-do
Southern family...simple plot which toys with the idea of a "feminist" (as far
as mainstream Hollywood films CAN be feminist) agenda and falls flat.  The
director is Martha Coolidge ("Fast Times at Ridgemont High") who felt "from the
beginning,this was MY film."  Renny Harlin ("Adventures of Ford Fairlane",
"Nightmare on Elm Street 4") produced it, not because of any bubblings of
charmingness or life-affirmitude, but because he's Dern's flame du jour - his
quote to a member of the Film Festival staff, "I'll make any film which
involves a lot of violence and exploits women."  Hey, somebody's gotta do it.

Ok, we had a busy weekend and the filming is proceeding
at a hectic pace. (Yes, it was David Bowie, no, he is not
a great close friend of David's, but he was a fan of the 
series.)

As usual, we are enjoying the hospitality of the locals. The
area is remarkably quiet and placid for all the cars and vans
and equipment we have shipped in, but I get the impression that
our money is enjoyed here.

David likes the idea of compiled questions for an interview, but
he says he won't answer any questions about the story, at least now.
Indeed, we are enjoying reading your speculations about the lodges
and the blood and water. (HINT: try to remember early on in the
series when Col. Briggs spoke to Bobby about his (the Col.) dream.)

It is time for our afternoon coffee klatsch. 

Colin 

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In article <1991Sep16.204236.9577@b17a.ingr.com> brock@b17a.ingr.com (James Brock) writes:
> >Indeed, we are enjoying reading your speculations about the lodges
> >and the blood and water. (HINT: try to remember early on in the
> >series when Col. Briggs spoke to Bobby about his (the Col.) dream.)

Did Briggs get promoted during his court martial or something?
Last I remember, he was a Major.

Todd.

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In article <1724@surf.sics.bu.oz.au> ren@kowande.bu.oz.au writes:
> >-- 
> >Did anyone notice the "too many peas" situation in episode 2019?
> >
> >Is there any reason for this?
> >[was one bowl of peas from the White Lodge and the other from the
> >Black Lodge? :-]

No, they're from the Green Lodge, which is headed by the
Anti-BOB possessed Ben Horne.

As anyone who has done house wiring knows, there are three
wires, white, black, and green.

So Donna will be the next victim, by electrocution,
and under her fingernail will be the letter P.

This gives us the letters T R B O and P, and BOB was
obviously spelling out "Turbo Pascal". He was once a
mild mannered programmer working in the basement of
the hospital, when the byte he had allocated to
storing AB- type blood patients overflowed from 255
to 256 and his program crashed on division by zero.

His boss told him, "You're fired. Walk with me."

Now does that clear everything up?

-- Desolation Row Jimmy <rbj@uunet.uu.net> Drawing Crazy Patterns on Your Screen

dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com (Erick Dyke) writes:

> > Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
> > to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?

ARGH! I was out that evening, and made sure to tape the show -- only to
find out that the #$%^&*(*&^%$# network had delayed Eerie for some #$%^&*
football game. My tape ended just before they began the song.

Well, at least I was rewarded with the latter half of Mike and Ted's Idiot
Adventures (or whateverthehell that piece of dweebery is called...)

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <1991Sep16.194422.23557@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> frab@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pamela Chandran) writes:
> >
> >"Rambling Rose" is the movie with Laura Dern and Dianne Ladd which did indeed
> >premier at Telluride to mixed reactions.  [...stuff deleted...]  The
> >director is Martha Coolidge ("Fast Times at Ridgemont High") who felt "from the
> >beginning,this was MY film."

Martha Coolidge is a damn fine director.  I didn't know she had anything to
do with "Fast Times...", but she directed "Valley Girls" (which received
critical acclaim, but I don't recall being that fond of), "Real Genius"
(which should be required viewing for all hackers & scientists - it's a
complete hoot!), and a complete sleeper, "Plain Clothes".  She's not had the
greatest of luck with her releases, with "Real Genius" coming out at the same
time as "Weird Science" and "My Science Project" (I remember referring to
"My Real Weird, Genius Science Project" at the time), though the other
teen-science films weren't remotely in the same league as her film.  And due
to some not-fully-explained weirdness with the studios, "Plain Clothes" never
made it to the theaters at all... it went straight to video.  The premise of
"Plain Clothes" makes it sound horrid (cop goes undercover in a high school
to protect his younger brother), but the story is very intelligently
presented, and is funny and gripping at the same time.  IMHO.

ObTPContent:  Nope.  The real train car doesn't have "Fire walk with me"
written on it.  That was on a note inside the car.  In the TV show.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

There are some new files plus some updates in the TP archive:

  1.  The recently posted "Diane, it is 1:17pm... (Sun audio file)"
      from paul@melody.Rational.COM.  This is located in
      pub/twin-peaks/Sun-sounds/cooper.au.

  2.  A series of 44 GIFS (grayscale) from episode 2001 from
      Peter Moorhouse <moorhouse@skycat.usask.ca>.  These are located
      in pub/twin-peaks/GIFS/09-30-90.  Note that the GIFS are now in
      a separate directory.

  3.  The recently posted updated timeline from Ed Nomura.  This is the
      text version (not the Microsoft Word version) in the file
      pub/twin-peaks/timeline.

  4.  Updated Oeuvres from Dave Coufal <dcoufal@athena.mit.edu>
      These are the files pub/twin-peaks/oeuvre.*

Thanks to all the contributers for the new material - keep the good stuff
coming.  These additions bring the total disk space consumed by the archive to
36.8 MB.  Not bad for a `dead' TV show :-)

Peter Asenstorfer
<peter@audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au>

In article <1991Sep16.194422.23557@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> frab@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pamela Chandran) writes:
#director is Martha Coolidge ("Fast Times at Ridgemont High")

I think Amy Heckerling directed Fast Times.

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Matthew S Trevor writes:
> >
> >I can't exactly recall, but isn't "dweller on the threshold" mentioned in a Lovecraft/cthulhu story? I've no way of checking at the moment, but I can remember thinking it sounded awfully familiar when I first heard Hawk say it...
> >

For what it's worth, "The Lurker At The Threshold" is a Lovecraft fragment
that was developed into a complete short story by August Derleth.

Andy

> >dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com (Erick Dyke) writes:

> > Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
> > to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?

Did you also notice that the show's intro had a shot of the town
sign "Eerie, Indiana Population 16,661" (666= ) and a shot of a sitting
bird (holding an eyeball), and that there was an out of place shot
of a large bird's (Hawk?) silhouette flying with the background of a
large full moon.  It all seems very familiar...

Rocky Giovinazzo

   Mr Lynch, did you ever actually shoot any alternate ending scenes
with people other than Leland as the killer?  If so, it would be 
interesting to see them sometime.

   There are quite a few loose ends from the first season and early
second season.  Examples: who was with Leo when he confronted Mike
and Bobby?  Did the Asian guy who had the room next to Cooper (NOT
``Cousin Jonathan'') mean anything?  

   I hope you'll do something about them.

In article <9109170547.AA26410@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:
> > I can't exactly recall, but isn't "dweller on the threshold" mentioned in a Lovecraft/cthulhu story? I've no way of checking at the moment, but I can remember thinking it sounded awfully familiar when I first heard Hawk say it...

I think it's a common term.  If you're a Zelazny fan, you ran across the term
in the second book of the second Amber zeries.  (Sorry, all his book titles are
beginning to resemble one another too much for me to remember them any more.)
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I can't exactly recall, but isn't "dweller on the threshold" mentioned in a Lovecraft/cthulhu story? I've no way of checking at the moment, but I can remember thinking it sounded awfully familiar when I first heard Hawk say it...


Matthew Trevor
dpmt@uqeve.cc.uq.oz.au

  Could the person who put Cooper's notes to Dianne in the articles
"Dianne it is now 1.17 am" please translate then into English and repost them
or at least leave instructions on how to translate them into the VMS system?   
  I don't know if it was deliberate putting the article in code or if the
system just writes it out that way from where you are, but if it is deliberate
then I should tell you it isn't appreciated at all.  Some of us don't have the
time or ability to translate articles into English.
  It is different to Twin Peaks where part of the fun was analysing what was
happening and so on.  So please keep the postings simple...
  As to another article which asks for favourite quotes - there are so many to
choose from!!!  One of them that has been thrashed to death is -

   "It is happening again..."

  This is a bit of a classic I reckon.  Also -

   "Wow Bob - wow!"

  But like I said - there are too many to choose from.  It would be a great
idea to get them all together in one article don't you think?
  Since almost everything else has been done in alt.tv.twin peaks, has anyone
thought of actually writing out the scripts episode by episode?  Now that would 
be brilliant!!

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            but that's just my opinion...

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:


> >   Mr Lynch, did you ever actually shoot any alternate ending scenes
> >with people other than Leland as the killer?  If so, it would be 
> >interesting to see them sometime.

> >   There are quite a few loose ends from the first season and early
> >second season.  Examples: who was with Leo when he confronted Mike
> >and Bobby?  Did the Asian guy who had the room next to Cooper (NOT
> >``Cousin Jonathan'') mean anything?  

> >   I hope you'll do something about them.


I had wanted to reply to Colin's (Colin WHO?) original message, but I couldn't
find my way back, so this is the best I can do <:-)

I also realise that this is going off-topic a bit, but it's the only forum I
know of to ask this question(s).

1) - DUNE - I had heard that Mr. Lynch "disowned" this film, after the producers
 had at it with a the knife. If so, Had he thought of doing a "director's cut"
 of it? I quite liked the film (s'pecially on rerun, noticing all the regular
 actors, and the irregulars). Nevertheless, the edit lost large important
 portions of the story (so my brother tells me - just looking at the book gives
 me a headache), and failed to plaster-over them sufficiently.

2) - Twin Peaks - (This one's trivia plus! - I don't think it's go much to do
 with the story). In the final episode (here in Oz, maybe second last in
America) The log lady does some fast footwork at "miss TP", and startles Bobby
(then conked-out by Earle), then turns up later at the sheriff's office,
announced by Cooper as "arriving on one minute". I had a minor disaggreement
with somebody about whether or not this was just another bit of "supernatural
wierdness" as happens commonly in the series (i.e. she was compelled to go to
the sherriff's office with the oil), or whether Cooper slyly called her while
we were not watching. (like I said, it IS trivial, and I don't think this will
give anything about the film away)

Ta.

MHG.

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In article <91254.134717ACPS6410@Ryerson.CA> ACPS6410@Ryerson.CA (Nadir U Ahmed) writes:

     Personally, I thought that Cooper was supposed to face his
   shadow-self not run away from it. If Cooper had shown he was
   a little braver maybe he would have won and we might have
   seen the White Lodge as it was said by Hawk.

Or in another season we might have.  My reading of Hawk's description
of the Lodge legend only says that one must meet one's shadow-self
there, nothing about fighting it or overcoming it.  It also says that
if you meet the LODGE with imperfect courage it will annihilate your
soul.  It seems to me that the soul that we saw annihilated was that
of Windom Earle.  Because I think it is much closer to the
psychological truth to have to integrate one's shadow rather than
defeat it, I believe that, were the story to continue, we would see
that the image of Bob in Cooper is in fact really the beginning of the
Black Lodge struggle, in the sense that only now is Cooper really
confronting the shadow.  Thus, the entire curtained area could in fact
be the "waiting room", since it was there that one waited for the
shadow to appear.

Barb Miller

In article <goomcb32.685164408@vulcan>, goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes...

} I also realise that this is going off-topic a bit, but it's the only forum
} I know of to ask this question(s).

} 1) - DUNE - I had heard that Mr. Lynch "disowned" this film, after the
} producers had at it with a the knife. If so, Had he thought of doing a
} "director's cut" of it?

I wouldn't be surprised if he's though of doing one. The trouble is that
DeLaurentiis owns the film rights to DUNE, and even if Lynch wanted to
put together a director's cut of the film, he couldn't release it or even
exhibit it without the rights-owner's permission.

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