Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

Something I saw in a National (English) newspaper recently:

David Bowie has landed a walk-on part in the film version of the hit TV
series Twin Peaks - with Chris Isaak and Keifer Sutherland.

Comments ? 

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ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >  Could the person who put Cooper's notes to Dianne in the articles
> >"Dianne it is now 1.17 am" please translate then into English and repost them
> >or at least leave instructions on how to translate them into the VMS system?   
> >  I don't know if it was deliberate putting the article in code or if the
> >system just writes it out that way from where you are, but if it is deliberate
> >then I should tell you it isn't appreciated at all.  Some of us don't have the
> >time or ability to translate articles into English.

Ummm... Don, I don't want to be picky here, but you did read the start
of said articles? Like, the bit that said "this is a Sun audio file"? It
doesn't translate into English - it's not in a code - it's a 7bit ascii
representation of a 8 bit 8000 Hz digital sample of the said speech. It
won't do anything on a VMS, if you havn't got a Sparcstation or a sun
with audio capability it won't do anything. On those, after you have
uudecoded and uncompressed the file, a brief 'cat cooper.au >
/dev/audio' will result in the dulcet tones of Kyle.

Well, it should do, I haven't transferred it to my Sparc yet so I can't
claim perfection here. (Sorry - _a_ Sparc, I don't actually own one...)

Bit flamey there, but the confusion is understandable.

As for transcribing the episodes - you gotta be joking!!! We are talking
copyright infringement here, in major quantitities.



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Has anyone considered the significance of Donuts.
The volume of them consumed was enormous.
Does their simple symmetry have special significance.
Do all things come full circle.

Just some thoughts.

Hello!
Well, I happened to miss the last episode of Twin Peaks, and wonder what happened. Can someone tell me how it all ended?

/Ali
P.S : Has Twin Peaks ended for good?

While watching the MTV awards, Chris Isaac said somethng about working on a TP's movie. Can anybody tell me what's all this about a movie?

/ali

In article <CLINDH.91Sep15090850@abalon.abalon.se> clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh) writes:
> >
> >I an article goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
>>> >> >Harry Dean Stanton is a GREAT actor. Check him out in the movies "Repo
>>> >> >Man" and "Paris, Texas", to name but two. The first is real
>> >> Not to mention Ridley Scott's A|L|I|E|N 
>> >>
> >And of course WILD AT HEART (although he doesn't last the whole
> >movie...)  He's also in Lynch's "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" playing
> >"Slim" the deaf cowboy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >::       clindh@abalon.se        ::   o/       ::
> >:: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden  ::  /@        ::  This sentenc contains three
> >::       59.19 N, 17.57 E        ::  <|\  acro ::  erors.
> >::     Disclaimer: I'm lying     ::   |   phil ::

My favourite film with Harry Dean Stanton featuring is John
Carpenter's "Escape from New York". He played "Brain", ex-bankrobber
and former friend of Kurt Russel's "Snake Plissken", a scientist
making a deadly mistake mixing up left and right. Furthermore, in
"Kelly's Heroes" he played a soldier (at one time wearing underware
on his head and later singing a song about "everybody's kickin' my
dog around") under Telly Savalas' command, this movie also featured
Clint Eastwood and Donald Sutherland ("Negative waves, man!").

=====================================================================
= Daniel Joensson    = "I've read more than a hundred books         =
= Computer Science   =  Seeing love mentioned many thousand times   =
= University of Umea =  But despite all the places I've looked      =
= Sweden             =  It's still no clearer, it's just not enough =
= dvldjn@cs.umu.se   =  I'm still no nearer the meaning of love"    =
= Go Ipswich Town!   =  The meaning of love - Depeche Mode          =
=====================================================================

How do we know that the person on this bews feed saying he is a TP writer 
and friend of `Dave' is who he said? And if he gets us an interview with 
Lynch how do we know it is realy Lynch?I think we should still compile the 
list of questions though.

I know i am going to get flamed for this, bt maby we are over allalising. We 
don't know how TP was written. It could have been all thought out from the 
beginning (ie when they wote the piolite they already had planned out the WE 
and Black Lodge stuff. It could have been written by season (this seemes 
much more likely). Or by episode (ie: they had no idea  how they woulkd 
solve any of these problems and just made it up as they go along). If the 
latter is the case then analises in inpossable because there was no ultamate 
desigen to try to deduce.

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> > dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com (Erick Dyke) writes:
> > 
>> > > Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
>> > > to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?
> > 
> > ARGH! I was out that evening, and made sure to tape the show -- only to
> > find out that the #$%^&*(*&^%$# network had delayed Eerie for some #$%^&*
> > football game. My tape ended just before they began the song.
> > 
> > Well, at least I was rewarded with the latter half of Mike and Ted's Idiot
> > Adventures (or whateverthehell that piece of dweebery is called...)
> > 
> > It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
> > Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

You did not miss anything.  Eerie was incredibly bad.  It will be cancelled
for sure.

doug

Seen in the bookstores:  The Twin Peaks ACCESS guide.

Lynch, Frost, and the publishers of the ACCESS travel guides have created
a satirical guide to the fictional town of Twin Peaks.  It has items of
interest to the fanatic Peak-ers (such as a TP Cherry pie recipe and 
"Hawk"'s real name).  

It also contains some items reproduced from reference books (such as how
to perform taxidermy) that seem to be so much filler.  They would never have
appeared in a real travel guide to the area.

The book has few "clues" to what happens in TP.  It is more of a slightly
humorous satire.  

It DOES have a picture of the Owl Cave cave painting (i.e. "It's A MAP! Hee, Hee,
Hee!")

I paid $10.95 (yow!) for it at Powell's Bookstore in Portland, OR.

I'd tend to stick it in there with the BIG list of tongue in cheek
humor that the show seemed full of.

The pile of donuts probably wasn't significant to the storyline,
just a twist of humor, satire, whatever...

Rick Pavek  kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com

In article <1991Sep18.085137.9702@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >
> >
> >  Could the person who put Cooper's notes to Dianne in the articles
> >"Dianne it is now 1.17 am" please translate then into English and repost them
> >or at least leave instructions on how to translate them into the VMS system?   
> >  I don't know if it was deliberate putting the article in code or if the
> >system just writes it out that way from where you are, but if it is deliberate
> >then I should tell you it isn't appreciated at all.  Some of us don't have the
> >time or ability to translate articles into English.
> >  It is different to Twin Peaks where part of the fun was analysing what was
> >happening and so on.  So please keep the postings simple...


There seems to be some misunderstanding regarding the 'Diane, it is 1:17pm...'
set of files that were posted here, a few days ago (Thanks a lot, BTW.).

These files are for your *listening* enjoyment. I'm not sure about VMS :-), 
but on Unix you could follow these instructions:


1. Edit the file(s) and get rid of header and sig sections.
2. Concatenate, if there is more than 1 file.
3. Run through uudecode.
4. Uncompress.
5. Cat the new file (.au) and redirect the output to '/dev/audio':
    cat cooper.au > /dev/audio



> >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> >Don Sharp ....ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au /\    DDD    OO   NN N
> >(A small man from another place...)     /\    D  D  O  O  N NN
> >                                        /\    DDD    OO   N  N
> >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> >Disclaimer..My opinion is that people are too opinionated about opinions and
> >            offer unnecessary opinions on who's opinions they actually are...
> >            but that's just my opinion... 

Jamsheed

In article <7933@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <9109170547.AA26410@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:
>> >> I can't exactly recall, but isn't "dweller on the threshold" mentioned in a Lovecraft/cthulhu story? I've no way of checking at the moment, but I can remember thinking it sounded awfully familiar when I first heard Hawk say it...
> >
> >I think it's a common term.  If you're a Zelazny fan, you ran across the term
> >in the second book of the second Amber zeries.  (Sorry, all his book titles are
> >beginning to resemble one another too much for me to remember them any more.)
> >-- 
> >
> >cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
> >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...

In article <9109170547.AA26410@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU 
(Matthew S Trevor) writes:
> >
> >I can't exactly recall, but isn't "dweller on the threshold" mentioned in a
> > Lovecraft/cthulhu story? I've no way of checking at the moment, but I can 
> >remember thinking it sounded awfully familiar when I first heard Hawk say 
> >it...


  Much of the esoteric terminology used on _Twin Peaks_ - White Lodge, 
Black Lodge, Dweller on the Threshold, etc - is drawn from occultists
such as Helena Blavatsky, Dion Fortune, the Hermetic Order of the Golden
Dawn, and other Theosophist or Kaballistic Magicians that operated around
the turn of this century.

  In fact, the wholesale ascribing of this Judeo-Christian derived occult
world view to a northwestern native-american tribe is kinda, well, kooky
and funny - like the rest of the show.  May it live long on silver screen.


  Cheers,

  John

In article <1991Sep18.225934.1@csc.anu.edu.au> djs654@csc.anu.edu.au writes:
> >Has anyone considered the significance of Donuts.
> >The volume of them consumed was enormous.
> >Does their simple symmetry have special significance.
> >Do all things come full circle.
> >
> >Just some thoughts.

And coffee cups.  One comment about topology is that it is a branch of
mathematics which does not distinguish between doughnuts and coffee
cups (homeomorphic).
Barry

In article <1991Sep18.085137.9702@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >  Could the person who put Cooper's notes to Dianne in the articles
> >"Dianne it is now 1.17 am" please translate then into English and repost them
> >or at least leave instructions on how to translate them into the VMS system?   
> >  I don't know if it was deliberate putting the article in code or if the
> >system just writes it out that way from where you are, but if it is deliberate
> >then I should tell you it isn't appreciated at all.  Some of us don't have the
> >time or ability to translate articles into English.
> >  It is different to Twin Peaks where part of the fun was analysing what was
> >happening and so on.  So please keep the postings simple...
   ^^^^^^

First I want to express my appreciation for the original 6
postings of Diane, it is 1:17pm.  I have installed them on my SUN Sparcstation
and used crontab so it goes off everyday at 1:17pm.  Any further postings
of this nature would be appreciated.
Now to deal with the above posting in a kind way -- I am not into
flaming although the temptation is here.  The article CLEARLY specified 
what its intention was.  Seek advice before complaining about articles
that you don't understand.  Finally I don't think that the postings can
be made simple enough for you -- Oops!

> >  Since almost everything else has been done in alt.tv.twin peaks, has anyone
> >thought of actually writing out the scripts episode by episode?  Now that would 
> >be brilliant!!
    ^^^^^^^^^

Sounds simple to me.

Barry Sanders, Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia

In article <1991Sep18.133444.27871@cs.umu.se> dvldjn@cs.umu.se (Daniel J|nsson) writes:
> >In article <CLINDH.91Sep15090850@abalon.abalon.se> clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh) writes:
>> >>
>> >>I an article goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes:
>>>> >>> >Harry Dean Stanton is a GREAT actor. Check him out in the movies "Repo
>>>> >>> >Man" and "Paris, Texas", to name but two. The first is real
>>> >>> Not to mention Ridley Scott's A|L|I|E|N 
>>> >>>
>> >>And of course WILD AT HEART (although he doesn't last the whole
>> >>movie...)  He's also in Lynch's "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" playing
>> >>"Slim" the deaf cowboy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-- 
>> >>::       clindh@abalon.se        ::   o/       ::
>> >>:: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden  ::  /@        ::  This sentenc contains three
>> >>::       59.19 N, 17.57 E        ::  <|\  acro ::  erors.
>> >>::     Disclaimer: I'm lying     ::   |   phil ::
> >
> >My favourite film with Harry Dean Stanton featuring is John
> >Carpenter's "Escape from New York". He played "Brain", ex-bankrobber
> >and former friend of Kurt Russel's "Snake Plissken", a scientist
> >making a deadly mistake mixing up left and right. Furthermore, in
> >"Kelly's Heroes" he played a soldier (at one time wearing underware
> >on his head and later singing a song about "everybody's kickin' my
> >dog around") under Telly Savalas' command, this movie also featured
> >Clint Eastwood and Donald Sutherland ("Negative waves, man!").

That was "Negative waves Moriarty".  You also need to include Cool
Hand Luke, and Missouri Breaks.  Harry also has a nightclub singing
act.  I saw him in Santa Cruz a couple of years ago.

> >
> >=====================================================================
> >= Daniel Joensson    = "I've read more than a hundred books         =
> >= Computer Science   =  Seeing love mentioned many thousand times   =
> >= University of Umea =  But despite all the places I've looked      =
> >= Sweden             =  It's still no clearer, it's just not enough =
> >= dvldjn@cs.umu.se   =  I'm still no nearer the meaning of love"    =
> >= Go Ipswich Town!   =  The meaning of love - Depeche Mode          =
> >=====================================================================


-- ******************************************************** Greg T. Goin' blind analyzing simulation data

This has probably already been posted but I have just got my net.access back 
after a long summer. I would like a copy of the list of the cast for the new
TP movie. I realise that it has probably not been released officially but I
will be happy with rumours and informed speculation, etc.

Please E-mail if possible.

Thank-you,

Jonathan H. Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

I'm going to ask a stupid question, and if it has been asked before 
and the answer resolved, then please...by all means...ignore me!

Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?

If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?

I believe his name in the show is Mr. Hom (say HOME).

Granted, the episodes are rare and long ago, but I have been watching the
reruns and have finally had enough in-house speculation about it.  I don't
remember the actor's name so I can't be sure.

Help, anyone?

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't ever call me stupid!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        (Kevin Klein in "A Fish Called Wanda")

 
 
                  WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILER FOLLOWS!
 
 
 Very nice list Dave! Excellent reference material. I do however
have one observation:
 
 
 > Andrew Packard             [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
 > Pete Martell           [Catherine's husband] [dead]   Jack Nance
 > Thomas Eckhardt             [Josie's mentor] [dead]   David Warner
 > Audrey Horne                                 [dead]   Sherilyn Fenn
 
                      You sure about this? :-)
 
 I'm not at all convinced that the death of these characters has
been fully established Dave.
 
                                         Ken SaintJohn
                                         Ken.Saintjohn@bbs.oit.unc.edu.
 
 

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Greg Tollefson writes:
 
> >Harry also has a nightclub singing
> >act. I saw him in Santa Cruz a couple of years ago.
 
There is one other thing that should be said about Harry Dean
Stanton here:
 
 He is one hell of a nice guy!  :) Way back when he had just
finished working on A:I:L:E:N (one of my FAVE movies by the way)
he frequented a bar/nightclub I was manager of in west L.A.
Calif called "The Troubadour".  One night over 2 or 3 drinks too
many I asked him about A:I:L:E:N (it had not yet been released)
and among other things he told me "There is this one scene where
we are hold this guy down on a table and all of a sudden blood
starts flying and sound effects start going off, we had no idea
what the hell was going. Scott hadn't told us what was going to
happen and it about scared the s___ out of us! Poor Cartwright
dammed near looked right into the camera she was so surprised!"
 
(It was something very close to this anyway, it's been a long time)
 
 I very much look forward to seeing HDS in the new movie, he's a
fine actor and I don't think we see enough of him.  By the way is
there anyone around here besides me who would have reall enjoyed
seeing MacLachian play the part of the indestructible bad guy in T2?
 
                                         Ken...
                              Ken.Saintjohn@bbs.oit.unc.edu
 
 
 

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Gee, writing out TP programme episodes word for word sounds wonderful,
here in New Zealand we have had the third series canned, its just awful.
TV3 initially hyped TP heavily but their ratings, which were never 
wonderful, failed to live up to expectations, they made Coop and co scapegoats.
They have promised to reinstate it within 3 months so we're all hoping, 
the last thing we saw was Coop and Major Briggs in the forest, Briggs went
for a piss and then all hell broke loose, that was over a month ago. I miss
TP so much, and the news talk about the series sounds brilliant. The reason 
I write this is that recently some guy in Sweden was bemoaning the fact that
one episode had failed to reach them, man, you're the lucky ones! If they 
don't reinstate TP, is there anyone out there who could copy the tapes in 
the meantime? I'm just desperate to know how Andy and Lucy get it together, if
indeed they do! 
My absolute favourite quote has to be when Albert is explaining to Sheriff
Truman his philosophy on peace-violence etc "The basis for this..is love...
I love you Sheriff Truman", to which Coop replies wistfully, "Alberts path
is a strange and difficult one". (Sorry if not totally correct!) 

Bye now, Tom Higham
Carbon Dating  Lab,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton,
New Zealand..................

In article <1991Sep18.225934.1@csc.anu.edu.au> djs654@csc.anu.edu.au writes:
> >Has anyone considered the significance of Donuts.
> >The volume of them consumed was enormous.
> >Does their simple symmetry have special significance.
> >Do all things come full circle.

Ahhh, but don't forget the twisted crullers-- perhaps related to the
show's title.

Rocky Giovinazzo

> > of said articles? Like, the bit that said "this is a Sun audio file"? It
> > doesn't translate into English - it's not in a code - it's a 7bit ascii
> > representation of a 8 bit 8000 Hz digital sample of the said speech. It

I don't mean to be picky here, but if that isn't a code, then I don't
know what is ...

-- Dave

In article <1991Sep18.195055.33675@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...

} I'm going to ask a stupid question, and if it has been asked before 
} and the answer resolved, then please...by all means...ignore me!

} Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?

No, I don't (at least not on a regular basis).

} If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?

Well, it's not so, but that doesn't make your assertion any less true.
Mr. Homm *is* played by the same man who played the Giant.

} I don't remember the actor's name so I can't be sure.

Carel Struycken. He also played Lurch for the upcoming ADDAMS FAMILY movie.

-- "Take that surface-man Autry to the Lightning Room!" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In article <724g91w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:

> >How do we know that the person on this bews feed saying he is a TP writer 
> >and friend of `Dave' is who he said?

Not to sound like another net-naysayer, but yea, how do we know you are for
real?  It seems as likely to me that someone would make this stuff up as 
it is that a TP writer would be spending time on this net.


> >I know i am going to get flamed for this, bt maby we are over allalising. We 
> >don't know how TP was written. It could have been all thought out from the 
> >beginning (ie when they wote the piolite they already had planned out the WE 
> >and Black Lodge stuff. It could have been written by season (this seemes 
> >much more likely). 

I have something which may help.  earlier I posted a passage from an 
'official' copy (actually it looked more like a xeroxed bootleg) of the 
original script of the pilot.  You'll recall Doc Jacoby's audio tapes 
of Laura that he kept in his coconut; during one scene in the pilot he
puts one in and before he puts the headphones on his head you can hear her
talking about the woods, some guy with a red car etc...

In this script, however, she says that last night she had a dream in which
she was telling all her secrets to an old man, I assume this was later cut
for whatever reason.  At any rate in seems clear that DL & co. 
thought at least this far in advance (at least three episodes) during 
the pilot so its possible that they thought further ahead as well.

-Gian Di Loreto (UR)

In article <D2150056.ppcyii@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
> >Okay, I admit it. One of the worst blunders of my life was not saving the
> >tapes I made of Twin Peaks. It was just one of those things like "Well, I
> >don't know if this show is going to turn out to be that good so I won't bother."
> >So the point is, is there anyone who would be willing to lend me the tapes
> >of the first season for a short time? I will pay shipping, insurance, etc.
> >If you live in the Bay Area, I will pick them up and bring them back.
> >
> >etc

Ok I have said this before. I have all but the very last episode. If someone
out there can rectify this we can set up a lending library. It's over to
you lot.

Andrew.
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2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> >Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?

Yes.

> >If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?
> >I believe his name in the show is Mr. Hom (say HOME).

The actors' name is Carel Struycken (according to a list posted
regularly in the startrek newsgroup).
And yes, I too think this must definitely be the same actor.
Manhunt was shown one the Beeb just a few weeks ago. ;-)

-- Ashwin Hirschi.
   email: deery@cs.kun.nl

[no signature is a signature]

Help!

I am posting from Germany where they just started TP last week. I like it very 
much but even now I start getting confused by the great amount of different 
names and faces. Has anybody made a list, that describes the relationship between
all the actors? This would help much to follow the story and to have a closer
look at all the little details you talk about. (There seem to be quiet a lot).

Thanks in advance!

Frank

I have seen two verisions of dune.  There is the one
that is just over two hours long, and there is one that
is well over three hours long.  the three hour one is 
a lot better than the two hour one, and I would like to
see it again.  I don't think it was the version that
was in the movie theater, but I can not be sure.
 
Does anyone have a clue as to what I am talking about?

if so, e-mail me!

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Just thought I'd mention, as I left for work this morning, they were
preparing for a filming in North Bend at the cafe...  They were getting
the sign changed, and lining up the traffic control.

In article <1991Sep18.085137.9702@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >  Could the person who put Cooper's notes to Dianne in the articles
> >"Dianne it is now 1.17 am" please translate then into English and repost them
> >or at least leave instructions on how to translate them into the VMS system?   

I stated quite clearly in the first part of the posting that this is a Sun
SPARCstation audio file.  That is, if you have a Sun SPARCstation or compatible
and use the "play" program (source in /usr/demo/SOUND), you will hear Agent
Cooper from the popular (but evidently not popular enough ;^) TV series
"Twin Peaks" making his report to Diane.  This was recorded from the TV.

It will not be of any use to someone who only has access to a VMS system as 
VAXes do not have the audio hardware to play it.

I believe there are programs to convert Sun .au files to Macintosh sound
files, but I do not have any more details than this.  You might try asking
on alt.sex.sounds.

Enjoy!
--
-- Paul Jasper
-- RATIONAL
-- Object-Oriented Products
--

Dear TP readers/writers:

Colin Marsh is a friend of mine who is using my
address to read your newsgroup. He sends me the 
info he wishes to post, and I post it for him.

As he says, he met David Lynch through a brother.
He is now fairly close to David L. and is, in my
opinion, a fine writer/thinker. (I apologise for the 
COL./MAJOR and Wyndham/Windom snafus; I am not a
TP fanatic, and Colins' writing is sometimes
scrawly.)

As far as I know, Colin has spoken with D.L. about this
group, and D.L. is interested in your comments. You must
understand, though, that this is all I know. I will
probably be hearing from Colin tomorrow or Saturday.

By the way, I did watch TwinPeaks closely, and while I
think it was one of the best periods of American television
(not saying much, am I?) D.L. made the mistake of making a 
continuing series (is it?) out of it. The concept of
the Lodges, the incestual/spiritual relationships, the scenery
of the area, all that and more made TP the best series since
St. Elsewhere. But, Lynch is a film maker, not a TELEVISION
director.

Hey, I don't know if Audrey/Pete/Andrew are blown away. I don't
know what Lynch has in his head about BOB and Cooper and al the
and all the other great characters. And I doubt Colin knows.

Stay on the network, keep up the deductions, the thought, and
we will see what Colin arranges.

An aside: It is great to see so many people remaining loyal
to the series. It makes me feel good to associate with
others who are discriminating and insightful and selective.

-- ################################################################ James A. Brock, Jr. Post office Box 859, Huntsville, AL 35804 "All opinions/facts are mine, belong to no other entity"

In article <724g91w164w@whitebase.ukp.com> salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:

> >I know i am going to get flamed for this, bt maby we are over allalising. We 
> >don't know how TP was written. It could have been all thought out from the 
> >beginning (ie when they wote the piolite they already had planned out the WE 
> >and Black Lodge stuff.

In the pre-2nd season ABC show on Cop Rock and Twin
Peaks, Lynch and Frost were asked how well thought out the show 
was.  Frost said something like, "very well thought out," and
Lynch said, "Not very well thought out at all," almost at the 
same time. (Not exact quotes here.)  It was sort of funny.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <14740045@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
>> >> dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com (Erick Dyke) writes:
 
> >You did not miss anything.  Eerie was incredibly bad.  It will be cancelled
> >for sure.

Do you have a crystal ball?  Of course it will be cancelled eventually
but you're the first person I've heard say anything bad about it.
It's not TP, but its sort of fun and has an appealling slightly
Twilight Zone feel.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Sep18.195055.33675@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >
> >Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?
> >
> >If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?

Yes. Yes. Yes.  But if you really watch, you'll see an episode where
Leland plays a primative proto-vulcan, who wants to worship "the
Picard" (as we all do), and Annie (coop's squeeze) also appears on an
episode, though the plotline escapes me right now. 


> >        (Kevin Klein in "A Fish Called Wanda")
(Ack! Whoever gave KK a job? I've never seen a more self-important ass
with no talent.)

Phil G

In article <1991Sep19.190150.782@epas.toronto.edu> pgiltner@epas.utoronto.ca (Philip W. Giltner Jr.) writes:
>> >>        (Kevin Klein in "A Fish Called Wanda")
> >(Ack! Whoever gave KK a job? I've never seen a more self-important ass
> >with no talent.)

I don't know... Geraldo be some stiff competition!

       __     ____         __   ____         __   __        (__==__)
      /\ \   /  \_\       / /\ /  \ \       / |\ / /\         (oo)  ( moo.)
     /  \_\ / /\ |_|     / / /| /\ \ \     /  ||/ / /  /-------\/  -'
    / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_   / / / \ \/  \ \   /   |/ / /  / | U.T.||
   /  \/ |_| \  __ \_\ /_/ /   \  /\ \_\ / /|   / /  *  ||----||
  / /\ ./_/   \ \ \/_/_\_\/     \ \ \/_// / |  / /      ^^    ^^
  \ \/ |_|     \ \_\ /_/\        \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ /     Br!an Bloom
   \__/_/       \/_/ \_\/         \/_/ \_\/ \_\/   brianb@natinst.com

>> >>        (Kevin Klein in "A Fish Called Wanda")
> > (Ack! Whoever gave KK a job? I've never seen a more self-important ass
> > with no talent.)

Yeah, too bad he won an Oscar for that role, huh?

(Not that an Oscar is proof that you're a wonderful actor, but
it does mean not everyone agrees with the above-- I happen to think
he was perfect in that role, but I haven't seen him in much else).

But we're digressing...

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What if it turns out that the owls really *are* what they seem?

> > Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?
> >
> > 2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

No.  Not any more.  I don't like what the characters have degenerated
into, nor do I like the soapy "melodramas", eg, stories about Troi's
idiot mother and etc.  If I want sci-fi, I watch Blake's 7.  There,
I said it, I feel better now...  :^)

Obligatory TP:  

Spoilers??  Proceed with caution...


I tend to agree with those who say Coop was not in the Black Lodge
at the end of the series.  He was hanging out in a Waiting Room of
sorts.  Now, Coop's Ka is still trapped in this Waiting Room as I
understand it, while his body returned to TP.  Coop is in a bad
way without his Ka.  Without it he is unbalanced, and there is
nothing to prevent his dark side from overshadowing everything and
anything he does or encounters while alive in the world.  This is
akin to what Hawk was saying about facing one's dark side.  If Coop
isn't killed or if someone can't help him or his Ka to re-unite
himself, then he will not get beyond his dark side and make it to
the entrance of the White Lodge.  Coop entered the Black Lodge
when he returned to TP without his Ka.....which is still trapped
inside the Waiting Room.


--
rj pietkivith    |   "Where blizzards, lash the spirit of man,
att!ihlpz!rjp1   |    the frailest of beasts." -- Genesis, Pacidy

People have mentioned compleat lists of quotes. Who took the time to compile 
them? It would take an incredable emount of time for somthing that doesn't  
seem to be that valuable. Any way if any-one has a list of quotes (itd 
doesn't have to be compleat, Ijust need the good ones) Please E-Mail it to 
me. People have mentioned sites or somthing, but I am only calling through a 
BBS and I can't acess them. Any way I am trying to set up a BBS and It would 
be a great addision to the quote file.!

In article <1991Sep19.205618.11635@hal.com> ables@hal.com (King Ables) writes:
>>> >>>        (Kevin Klein in "A Fish Called Wanda")
>> >> (Ack! Whoever gave KK a job? I've never seen a more self-important ass
>> >> with no talent.)
> >Yeah, too bad he won an Oscar for that role, huh?

KK's talent or lack thereof notwithstanding, *I'll* never forgive him for
winning that particular year, 'cause he beat Dean Stockwell.

> >But we're digressing...
Oh. Yeah. Sorry.

OK, ObTP content:
Thanks to all who have made the trek out to the movie location and reported
back on the happenings. It's been fun and informative. Keep it up!

Sally
-- Sally Smith (510)790-0608 | ...!uunet!olivea!tymix!tardis!sally sally@tardis.tymnet.com | I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine! "Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"

Just a quick tidbit... some friends are visiting from Japan, who had never
before heard of TP.  I showed them the premiere, and they promptly went out
and bought the videotape to sit, watch, and record the entire 32 hours,
editing out the commercials and everything.  They altered their travel plans,
and are visiting Snolqualmie/ North Bend starting tomorrow, just before they
return to Japan.  Yesterday we went around looking for Julee Cruise and TP
Soundtrack CD's, Secret Diaries, and so on.  I think it helped that I had the
TP Euro-movie laserdisc from Japan, with Japanese subtitles, for them to get
started into it, but after that, they gleaned what they could from the English
version (their command of English is limited).  What fun.

Yesterday, they also informed me that, having mentioned TP on their calls
back to their home country, they have now learned that TP is showing in some
form on TV in Japan.  And it is the most recorded television show in Japan in
the history of TV and VCR's.  Their friends at home are all very excited
about their imminent return with the entire series on tape!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

I got many responsed of which I sent the first 3 to the TP Gazette.  I was
curious of they acutually delivered..

If any of you are out there could you let me know if they really 'delivered 
the message'?

Thanks ,

Gian Di Loreto

Well, I'm totally new here, so any mail would be welcome (on any topic).
The impression i got from the last episode was that the room in which the 
lmfap said "this is the waiting room" WAS in fact the waiting room,
but the instant coop left it, he was in the black lodge. When he went back
to that room immeiately afterwards, the lmfap seemed not to be himself
(as should be obvious from his statement 'the next time you see me it 
LMFAP SAYING THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME IT WON'T BE ME") COOP WAS FROM THIS POINT ON
ON IN THE BLACK LOGDE AND/OR THE BLACK LODGE/WHITE LODGE AMALGAMATION THAT
SOMEONE SUGGESTED EARLIER (WHICH IS SEEMING LESS AND LESS LIKELY TO ME)
JUST SOME THOUGHTS.

 ogre

Will there be a gazette coming out now that the movie is full swing?
The note I received this summer stated that there will be more
gazette's coming, but in expanded layout and less frequently. Soon
my subscription is up and I sure didn't get the full $29 worth....

Sally--


-- Well, this is what it is--my theory that I || Sally A. Wilson have, that is to say, which is mine is mine. || sally@mica.berkeley.edu (Monty Python's Flying Circus) || ============================================================================

In article <1991Sep19.124447.33699@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...

} I have seen two verisions of dune. There is the one that is just over
} two hours long, and there is one that is well over three hours long.
} the three hour one is a lot better than the two hour one, and I would
} like to see it again.

Really?  I thought it was just as bad as the original version except that
there was more of it. Although it *did* have more of Linda Hunt in it,
which is its singular virtue.

} I don't think it was the version that was in the movie theater, but I
} can not be sure.

No, it wasn't. It was specially edited together for television broadcast.
And the home video release is the original theatrical version, not the
expanded version.

It should be noted that Lynch disapproved enough of the expanded version
that he had his name removed from it as both writer and director. The
direction is credited to "Alan Smithee" (the standard Directors Guild
pseudonym assigned when a director wants his own name removed) and the
script is credited to "Judas Booth" (the derivation of which should be
obvious).

-- "Take that surface-man Autry to the Lightning Room!" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In article <5821@beguine.oit.unc.edu>, Ken.Saintjohn@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ken Saintjohn) writes...

}                  WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILER FOLLOWS!

} Very nice list Dave! Excellent reference material. I do however
} have one observation:

}} Andrew Packard             [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
}} Pete Martell           [Catherine's husband] [dead]   Jack Nance
}} Thomas Eckhardt             [Josie's mentor] [dead]   David Warner
}} Audrey Horne                                 [dead]   Sherilyn Fenn

} You sure about this? :-)

} I'm not at all convinced that the death of these characters has
} been fully established Dave.

Well, there's no guarantee that they are dead, but given what happened
at the bank, I think it's justifiable to assume that they are dead in
the absence of evidence otherwise. Which doesn't mean that they *are*
dead. Just that what evidence we have suggests it.

As for Eckhardt, well, Jones *did* mention to Catherine that she was
getting ready to bring Eckhardt's body back home. Since his collapse
was witnessed by Cooper (and Harry as well, but given what happened to
Josie immediately after, Harry's mind probably wasn't functioning
properly for a while), it's completely reasonable to assume that
Eckhardt's body was examined on the spot and determined to be dead,
and that an autopsy was performed (as is SOP when a crime is involved).

For Jones' remark about Eckhardt's "body" to be a lie, it would mean
that Doc and Coop would have to be co-conspirators in that lie. *Not* a
reasonable assumption.

Of the four, Eckhardt would be the one that we can believe is not only
really dead, but most sincerely dead.

-- "Take that surface-man Autry to the Lightning Room!" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

Ok, here is another of my famous stupid questions (but hey, any question
is stupid to someone, isn't it?).

If Senor Droolcup was indeed the Giant (who we have decided is Mr. Homm)
why didn't he help coop when he was shot?

It seems to me that it is rather rude to claim to be a good guy and
then stand there and watch the ultimate good guy bleed.

and what exactly is the gum thing?  (that gum you like is coming back in style)

also, I think "A fish called Wanda" is about the only film I like
Kevin Kline in.  (Geepers, didn't Michael Palin age well compared to Mr Cleese)
..uh, that's sarcasm, ok?

GODSON!

2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


> >If Senor Droolcup was indeed the Giant (who we have decided is Mr. Homm)
> >why didn't he help coop when he was shot?

> >It seems to me that it is rather rude to claim to be a good guy and
> >then stand there and watch the ultimate good guy bleed.

 Mebbe because he knew that Coop would be okay...?

 Or, more likely, cos it wasn't in the script yet.  :)

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In article <1991Sep19.184236.12140@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > you're the first person I've heard say anything bad about it.

OK, make me the second.  It's not complete trash, but it's over-campy.

> > It's not TP, but its sort of fun and has an appealling slightly
> > Twilight Zone feel.

It's not even "Monsters," and the "normal" characters (except for the young
boy of course) have even less brains than the ones in Lost In Space.  Maybe 
even Popeye.
-- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...

A few days ago, I saw a clip of David Bowie saying that he has a small 
part in "Fire, Walk With Me" so that his character can be introduced for 
the *second* movie, in which he has a more substantial role.  Wow, BOB, 
Wow.

I also rented the premiere European episode of TP from Blockbuster Video. 
It has the alternate ending.  Have any of you seen it?  Was it actually 
played on European television?  I believe it was 
just released on tape a few days ago.  Again, Wow BOB, Wow!


**************************************************************************jill

Ken.Saintjohn@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ken Saintjohn) wrote in article <5821@beguine.oit.unc.edu>:
> >                  WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILER FOLLOWS!
 




> > Very nice list Dave! Excellent reference material.

You're very kind. Thank you.

> >                                                    I do however
> >have one observation:
> > 
> > 
>> > > Andrew Packard             [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
>> > > Pete Martell           [Catherine's husband] [dead]   Jack Nance
>> > > Thomas Eckhardt             [Josie's mentor] [dead]   David Warner
>> > > Audrey Horne                                 [dead]   Sherilyn Fenn
> > 
> >                      You sure about this? :-)

I actually discussed this when I posted the list last June. From my
reading of the last episode (and of episode 2016, where Josie and
Thomas die), it is very likely all of the above characters are
dead. Of course everyone is free to disagree with me, since I
could certainly be proven wrong by a third season of TP. But since
I keep the list, I make the decisions on how to resolve ambiguities.

--
--
 David E. Coufal                                 dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

pgiltner@epas.utoronto.ca (Philip W. Giltner Jr.) writes:

> >Yes. Yes. Yes.  But if you really watch, you'll see an episode where
> >Leland plays a primative proto-vulcan, who wants to worship "the
> >Picard" (as we all do), and Annie (coop's squeeze) also appears on an
> >episode, though the plotline escapes me right now. 

I'm afraid not, as far as the latter assertion goes.  You may be thinking of
Madchen Amick (Shelley), who _does_ have a small role in TNG's "The Dauphin".

Tim Lynch

In article <1991Sep20.023955.33717@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> >If Senor Droolcup was indeed the Giant (who we have decided is Mr. Homm)
> >why didn't he help coop when he was shot?
The Giant seems to be limited by something or someone.  He told
Cooper in his first visit "That is all I am permitted to say," and
also answered, "That cannot be revealed," when asked where he was from.
Therefore, it is not unreasonable to assume that if SDC was aware of 
Cooper's bleeding he may not have helped him because he either
knew that he didn't need to or because he was not permitted to do so.
In reference to the Giant/SDC relationship, I thought it was
interesting to note that in _Industrial Symphony No. 1_ (of which
TP seems to be derivative of) Julee Cruise plays the part of the
"Dreamself of the Brokenhearted Woman" (Laura Dern was the Brokenhearted
Woman).  I guess we could use this term (dreamself) to describe the SDC/Giant
relationship.

> >and what exactly is the gum thing?  (that gum you like is coming back in style)
That's classified. (although there is a reference to Gumm in
Dale's autobiography).

Rocky Giovinazzo

On 19-Sep-91 in Probably Something you know..
user 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukan writes:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question, and if it has been asked before 
> >and the answer resolved, then please...by all means...ignore me!
> > 
> >Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?
> > 
> >If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?
> > 
> >I believe his name in the show is Mr. Hom (say HOME).
> > 
> >Granted, the episodes are rare and long ago, but I have been watching the
> >reruns and have finally had enough in-house speculation about it.  I don't
> >remember the actor's name so I can't be sure.
> > 
> >Help, anyone?


That's him alright. I don't know the actors name, but the Giant and the
valet are one in the same. 


lisa roraback

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
===============================================================================
=

"First things first, but not necessarily in that order"  Dr. Who

In article <1991Sep16.140109.10518@ge-dab.GE.COM>, dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com
(Erick Dyke) says:
> >
> >Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
> >to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?
> >
> >I think I'm going to like that show.....
> >

I happened to have taped "Eerie" (liked it! looking forward
to more!), so I went back to hear the song again.  The only
part that was the same as "The Nightingale" was the part of
the song that goes "for-eeeeeeeeee-ver-waaaare,"  which
corresponds to when Julee Cruise sings "the niiiiiigh-tin-
gaaale."  (If I could post a musical staff, I would!)  Other
than that, 'tweren't nothin' the same.

Of course, the first three notes also correspond with
Bernstein's "There's A Place For Us" from West Side Story
("there's-a-place...").  From the tonic note, the sequence
proceeds in an interval to a diminished seventh, and then
down a half-step to a major sixth.  In the key of C major,
the three note sequence would be:

                  C,  B-flat,   A

Now the NBC network theme, however, begins on the tonic and
goes directly to the major sixth (not even trying for the
diminished seventh), and then continues down to the perfect
fourth, or:
                    C,  A,  F.

And the interval of the perfect fourth, as we all know from
every television wedding, is "here comes the bride...", or:

                    C,  A, A, A.

THERE IS NO DOUBT that this is intended as a secret message
from NBC that all will be well for Peaks fans everywhere.
ABC strived for heights (reaching for the diminished seventh
-- seven being the number of perfection) but failed
miserably (sliding back to the major sixth) in their own
bumbling.  The Nightingale theme is lost -- where will Peaks
go?  But the theme takes comfort in the assurance that
"there's a place for us, somewhere, a place for us."  With
the arrival of Eerie, Indiana, the song from "ForeverWare"
(the promise of preservation) lures the Nightingale theme
to NBC, where we can almost hear the Wedding March as a
foreshadow of future union.  After all, "Where we come from,
the birds sing a pretty song, and there's always music in
the air."  Isn't it obvious?


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Visited Snoqualmie/North Bend on Monday and Wednesday (9/16,18). We almost
gave up when we stumbled on them filming at a REALLY funky motel outside
North Bend as someone has previously posted.  I'll post a report on our visit later.
For now, I'll give you some info on the shoot and tips on how to find them.

We met two women, Nena and later, her friend, Debbie (?), who had been there everyday
since the beginning between them. If one couldn't make it the other did. Debbie
even cancelled a trip to Europe in order to be there for the whole shoot.  
Some of these tips are from Nena and Debbie.

According to Nena and another source, they will be filming for about 2 more weeks,
(say, until roughly Oct 2).  Their day off is normally Sunday (hey, he's an eagle scout,
right?). Cast members come and go, so who will be there is pretty much a crap
shoot, except for Laura and David Lynch. When we left Wednesday, Jack Nance
and Joan Chen had just arrived to shoot some scenes, but I don't know how long
they will be there. James was there as well, shooting scenes with Laura. Ray Wise
was there but we didn't see him. The OAM was there but not sure for how long.
Looks like they may shoot some scenes with Mrs. Tremond and the creamed corn
kid. I saw her character's name on a SAG sheet and David Lynch's son was around.
Looked like they were going to shoot at the Mar-T on Friday since someone was
touching up the paint on the sign and Debbie said it was going to be closed Friday.
That would imply Norma and Shelly. Rumor was that both HST and Coop were
expected before they completed shooting. Coop has, of course, already been there
and gone.

My advice to those who are going to visit the shoot is to go up to one
of the security people, introduce yourself, ask them what the ground rules are for
spectators and if you want to get an autograph or whatever, which cast members
are open to that and how to approach them.  In the long run, that may get you
more than just barging in.  They run around with headsets on and raise the hue
and cry when it is time to be quiet for a shot.   Just watch for a while and you'll figure
out who they are.  One is Craig MacLachlan. I didn't recognize him even though he
politely, but firmly, moved me further away the first day we were there until my
daughter and Debbie figured it out. If you meet him, tell him Rich, the guy from
alt.tv.twin-peaks in the "Save the Pine Weasel t-shirt says 'Hi', and that I
didn't recognize him without the pawn in his mouth. :-)

Nena and Debbie warned us to stay away from 'blue hat' (you'll recognize him)
and Julie (we weren't sure who she was), but said that most of the others were
pretty good about answering questions like whether they are finished with this
location and if so, where they will shoot next.  If you are going to be there for
more than one day, definitely try to find out where they will be the next day.
If all else fails, Nena recommends waiting until they are through for the day
and asking the truck drivers. If you run into Nena and Debbie, say hi for me.

To find where they are shooting initially, cruise around the places that were in
the series keeping your eyes peeled for a bunch of trucks and vans . Closed off
streets and police stopping traffic are another clue.  Just keep driving around and
you'll find them eventually.

Good luck!

-Rich

In article <jedd.685356565@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> jedd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jeremy Rashbrooke) writes:
> >2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> >>If Senor Droolcup was indeed the Giant (who we have decided is Mr. Homm)
>> >>why didn't he help coop when he was shot?
> >
>> >>It seems to me that it is rather rude to claim to be a good guy and
>> >>then stand there and watch the ultimate good guy bleed.

Probably for much the same reason Philip Gerard claimed to know anything
about BOB, until MIKE took over.  The waiter really is as clueless as he
seems -- until the Giant comes in, perhaps using the mind of this waiter
as a focal point to "project" himself into our reality.

Or something.  Just my $02/100 worth.

In article <QcqX5kK00UhWI2Jp9P@andrew.cmu.edu>, lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
> > On 19-Sep-91 in Probably Something you know..
> > user 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukan writes:
>> > > 
>> > >If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?
>> > > 
> > That's him alright. I don't know the actors name, but the Giant and the
> > valet are one in the same. 

No, wait, wait, slow down!!  They are ONE AND THE SAME PERSON???  The giant 
is the same as Mr. Homm?  Please repeat that again carefully.  And slowly.
The Giant?  Mr. Homm?  The same people?  Just to be careful, please
answer this question several times in separate postings.  I'm just not
completely sure I understand this complex attribution yet!

- Greg Sandell (with no insult to lisa roraback intended!)

Greg Sandell                           Institute for the Learning Sciences
sandell@ils.nwu.edu               Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA
-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA

In article <91263.130428U40643@uicvm.uic.edu>, Ty Warner <U40643@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> > In article <1991Sep16.140109.10518@ge-dab.GE.COM>, dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com
> > (Erick Dyke) says:
>> > >
>> > >Did anyone else notice that the song for the Fresh-For-Life products was sung
>> > >to the song 'The Nightingale' on the Twin Peaks Soundtrack?
>> > >
>> > >I think I'm going to like that show.....
>> > >
> > 
> > I happened to have taped "Eerie" (liked it! looking forward
> > to more!), so I went back to hear the song again.  The only
> > part that was the same as "The Nightingale" was the part of
> > the song that goes "for-eeeeeeeeee-ver-waaaare,"  which
> > corresponds to when Julee Cruise sings "the niiiiiigh-tin-
> > gaaale."  (If I could post a musical staff, I would!)  Other
> > than that, 'tweren't nothin' the same.
> > 
> > Of course, the first three notes also correspond with
> > Bernstein's "There's A Place For Us" from West Side Story
> > ("there's-a-place...").  From the tonic note, the sequence
> > proceeds in an interval to a diminished seventh, and then
> > down a half-step to a major sixth.  In the key of C major,
> > the three note sequence would be:
> > 
> >                   C,  B-flat,   A

   However, the melody ends up on the major third of the
chord being played by the accompaniment, which would indicate
that the tonic is actually F (using your example notes).
> > 
> > Now the NBC network theme, however, begins on the tonic and
> > goes directly to the major sixth (not even trying for the
> > diminished seventh), and then continues down to the perfect
> > fourth, or:
> >                     C,  A,  F.
> > 

   Again, I hear the tonic as F in this case, since the entire
theme uses notes from the F major chord in first inversion.


> > And the interval of the perfect fourth, as we all know from
> > every television wedding, is "here comes the bride...", or:
> > 
> >                     C,  A, A, A.
> > 

   That would be C, F, F, F. 

> > THERE IS NO DOUBT that this is intended as a secret message
> > from NBC that all will be well for Peaks fans everywhere.
> > ABC strived for heights (reaching for the diminished seventh
> > -- seven being the number of perfection) but failed
> > miserably (sliding back to the major sixth) in their own
> > bumbling.  The Nightingale theme is lost -- where will Peaks
> > go?  But the theme takes comfort in the assurance that
> > "there's a place for us, somewhere, a place for us."  With
> > the arrival of Eerie, Indiana, the song from "ForeverWare"
> > (the promise of preservation) lures the Nightingale theme
> > to NBC, where we can almost hear the Wedding March as a
> > foreshadow of future union.  After all, "Where we come from,
> > the birds sing a pretty song, and there's always music in
> > the air."  Isn't it obvious?

Speaking of the music which was in the air, did you notice
the Neopolitan 6th in the progression in "Into the night?"


> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> >     <This signature intentionally left blank>
> > 

Darragh
dawn@netcom.com

In article <20SEP91111206@maximillion.cp.mcc.com> nilson@maximillion.cp.mcc.com writes:
> >
> >
> >A few days ago, I saw a clip of David Bowie saying that he has a small 
> >part in "Fire, Walk With Me" so that his character can be introduced for 
> >the *second* movie, in which he has a more substantial role.  Wow, BOB, 
> >Wow.
> >
> >I also rented the premiere European episode of TP from Blockbuster Video. 
> >It has the alternate ending.  Have any of you seen it?  Was it actually 
> >played on European television?  I believe it was 
> >just released on tape a few days ago.  Again, Wow BOB, Wow!
> >
> >
> >**************************************************************************jill
> >


I rented the movie from Tower yesterday.  I must say that I am confused
about this.  Was this the ending of the pilot as shown in Europe?  After
the scene in the boiler room I am not sure how the the series in Europe
progressed.  I will wait until a few more people post on this before
getting into to much detail......

I also have to do some thinking to figure out what Catherine and Ben
were trying to do knowing now that Andrew was alive and advising 
Catherine......

2x4's...4x8's,2x4's....4x8's




-- ******************************************************** But Otto, what about our relationship????

In article <1991Sep20.193828.21698@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:

[ Interesting description of film shooting in Snoqualmie/North Bend... ]

> > out who they are.  One is Craig MacLachlan. I didn't recognize him even though he
> > politely, but firmly, moved me further away the first day we were there until my

Did C.M. appear in one of the 2nd season TP segments?  There was a
brief moment in the R&R when a guy in a baseball cap hollered
"Hot damn that pie is goooood!" (I now have that as my disk insert 
sound on my Mac), and he was credited as Somebody McLachlan, who
was speculated as being Kyles brother.  Was it the same guy?

Greg

-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA
-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA

In an article margaret@igor.tamri.com (Margaret Kritzer) writes:
> >  What is "A Cowboy and a Frenchman" ?? Never heard of this...
> >
A short movie David made for the french magazine "Le Figaro" 10(0)th
year celebration or something. It's about Slim (Harry Dean Stanton), a
nearly deaf ranch-owner and his two hands Dusty ("Miller" in RepoMan)
and Pete ("Pete" in TP). They spot a strange man approaching the farm
and capture him. He's Pierre, a fullblown french man, beret on head,
snails in pocket, wine and baquettes in suitcase. It takes a while for
them to figure this out, he speaks only french. ("He might be some
kind of goldang alien spy!")  They understand who he is when they find
some french fries in his suitcase ("Get the ketchup!). 

Slim shoots a crow and a snake.  An indian, Broken Feather appears
("Hawk" in TP), he's been tracking the frenchman for 10 days ("He kept
tossing out snails.  Scared me!")  Pierre talks in french about
Manhattan, Indians, Hoboken and a small car with a zebra on it.

In the evening they have a party with some 'dream scenes' with dancing
girls (I think "Josie", "Audrey" and "Donna" are in there), horses and
a country&western singer.  The frenchman raises a model of the Statue
Of Liberty and everyong cheers "Viva La France".  Two girls wants to
go to bed with Pierre ("Voule'z vous coucher avec moi..")  Slim sings
a country song and makes out.

In the morning they sit out on the farm, Pierre admires the american
pancakes ("Flapjacks as big as a saddle-blanket!"). The indian wants a
suitcase just like Pierre.  Slim finds a snail on his body ("Damn!")
and throws it away.  A closeup of it with flies on it ends the movie!

This is out of memory, I'm propably leaving some out.  Yes it's pretty
bizarre, quite funny and very Lynch!  Too bad very few of you will get
to see this one.

Does anyone have a list of Lynch'es productions? I know about
Eraserhead, Dune, Elephant Man, Blue Velvet, Wild At Heart, Twin
Peaks, that new sitcom, American Cronicles and A Cowboy And A
Frenchman. Anything else?
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In article <9560@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > In article <1991Sep10.195529.1@csc.anu.edu.au> gal502@csc.anu.edu.au writes:
>> >>be destroyed. I think what he had in mind was an interesting start to a third
>> >>series, without the problems that occured at the start of series 2, with Bob
>> >>dead and no reason for Cooper to remain.But no third series has eventuated as
>> >>yet.
> > 
> > Where exactly are you posting from?  In America the first series ended with
> > Cooper getting shot, and the BOB / Who Killed Laura Palmer plot ended
> > nine episodes into the second.  Maybe the break was different overseas.

  I am posting from Australia, where TP was shown as a single season. I 
have only recently discovered this newsgroup and thought that the second
season began after Leland's death. I stand, or sit corrected.

    (some lines deleted)
 
>> >>        As for the rest of the final episode, I enjoyed it a lot, especially
>> >>with DL back in the directorial chair. I thought Kyle seemed to enjoy the role
>> >>of the evil Cooper, but I can't blame him, since Cooper has been such a zero
>> >>for so long! (This line is meant to provoke)
> > 
> > If you're looking for argument, you probably won't get it from me.  It's
> > been hashed out for a long time here that the brilliant deductive genius
> > from the early episodes completely lost it in the middle of season two.
> > All we can argue about is when the brain-rot set in -- my guess would
> > put it immediately after he got shot, when he stopped looking for hard
> > evidence and started relying on the drug-induced ramblings of the one-
> > armed man...
> > 
>> >> I hope this posts OK. This is my first attempt at contributing to news.
>> >>     Graeme Lindsell. 
> > 
> > Welcome aboard.

  I was shocked at Cooper's response to Windam Earl. An FBI agent, faced with a
serial killer of known appearance, who knows the killer is in the area, and
what does he do? Does he organise massive searches of the forest and the town?
Are there pictures of WE all over the town with "Have You Seen This Man"
written on them? Does he call in another 50 agents to help capture this
blot on the Bureau's copybook? No, he gets himself a new girlfriend! 
  I wonder if Cooper's mental degeneration may result from his association with 
the Giant? Senor Droolcup's idiocy may not be entirely accidental. Of course
the real reason is that the original Cooper would have solved all of TP's
mysteries in about 5 episodes. Still it doesn't excuse  the dissappearance of
the wonderfully interesting Coop of the pilot and his replacement by the FBI's
answer to Shirley Maclaine!

 But you're right - this has probably been thrashed to death: I just couldn't
help posting about it. This is the tragedy of the new news addict.

        Gal502@csc1.anu.edu.au    a.k.a Graeme Lindsell.

boyajian@ruby.dec.com (The Film Fan Man) writes:

> >In article <goomcb32.685164408@vulcan>, goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes...

> >} I also realise that this is going off-topic a bit, but it's the only forum
> >} I know of to ask this question(s).

> >} 1) - DUNE - I had heard that Mr. Lynch "disowned" this film, after the
> >} producers had at it with a the knife. If so, Had he thought of doing a
> >} "director's cut" of it?

> >I wouldn't be surprised if he's though of doing one. The trouble is that
> >DeLaurentiis owns the film rights to DUNE, and even if Lynch wanted to
> >put together a director's cut of the film, he couldn't release it or even
> >exhibit it without the rights-owner's permission.


That goes without saying, but he could still ASK (p'raps Delaurentiis are still
a bit cheesed for sending them broke :-)

MHG.

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2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> >I'm going to ask a stupid question, and if it has been asked before 
> >and the answer resolved, then please...by all means...ignore me!

> >Does anyone here watch STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION?

> >If so, isn't it true that Counselor Troi's mother's valet is the giant?

I think I remember the giant showing-up as an "extra-universal" being that
gets the enterprises drives going at warp n, or something, and the crew can't
get back for several thousand years, going at normal maximum speed. (In the
end I think wesley fixed it). I saw this on videotape, as the series STILL
hasn't started here (Oz).

The giant also is in "The witches of Eastwick" as Jack Nicholson's butler.

I can remember a few other appearances vaguely, but can't lay my mind on the
titles at the moment :-)

MHG.
(What do you MEAN, only 4 lines of signature appended!!)

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Does anyone have a copy of the soundtrack to Lynch's movie, "DUNE"?
If so, I'd be VERY interested in purchasing it (preferably in CD format).
Name your price.

rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:


> >My advice to those who are going to visit the shoot is to go up to one
> >of the security people, introduce yourself, ask them what the ground rules are for
> >spectators and if you want to get an autograph or whatever, which cast members
> >are open to that and how to approach them.  In the long run, that may get you
> >more than just barging in.  They run around with headsets on and raise the hue
> >and cry when it is time to be quiet for a shot.   Just watch for a while and you'll figure
> >out who they are.  One is Craig MacLachlan. I didn't recognize him even though he
> >politely, but firmly, moved me further away the first day we were there until my
> >daughter and Debbie figured it out. If you meet him, tell him Rich, the guy from
> >alt.tv.twin-peaks in the "Save the Pine Weasel t-shirt says 'Hi', and that I
> >didn't recognize him without the pawn in his mouth. :-)


Whoah! - you had me scared there for a moment, I thought you meant Craig
MacLachlan the Aus. tv. soap star (blond curly hair, fairly big, released
a song called "Mona" a little while ago). I think he was/is in a show called
"Home and away", and might also have been in "neighbours".

MHG.

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In article <3269@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes...

}} One is Craig MacLachlan.

} Did C.M. appear in one of the 2nd season TP segments?  There was a brief
} moment in the R&R when a guy in a baseball cap hollered "Hot damn that
} pie is goooood!" (I now have that as my disk insert sound on my Mac),
} and he was credited as Somebody McLachlan, who was speculated as being
} Kyles brother.  Was it the same guy?

No, you're confusing two different character/credits.

Craig MacLachlan was the first (that we see) victim of Windom Earle's.
The one that Coop and the others finding dead in Harry's office with the
pawn in his mouth and his cold, dead finger pointing at the chessboard.

-- "Take that surface-man Autry to the Lightning Room!" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In article <goomcb32.685425355@vulcan>, goomcb32@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Miles Goodhew) writes...

} I think I remember the giant showing-up [on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION]
} as an "extra-universal" being that gets the enterprises drives going at
} warp n, or something, [...]

Nope. Different actor.

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--
  What  exact tracks are you refering to? Are they near S.R.202
(Fall City - Snoqualmie Road)  are they near town or the falls? I know
of some tracks seem to go to a mill near the falls.

Hi All,
   I was wondering if it was possible for me, as a non-FBI member(!), to get an
FBI jacket like agent Cooper wore once or twice in the series? I've seen
someone wearing one on a chat show here in the UK but I've know idea where I
could get one.

   If anyone in the UK has seen one in a shop (London, Birmingham, Liverpool, e
tc), or there's any place in the US that does mail-order then please Email me.
If anyone else is interested I'm report the replies into the conf.

   Thanks for your time.

   Yours....


Jason Timmins               My Card... +-----------------------------+
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JANET: SCST86@UK.AC.LIV.IBM            |    ("Pretentious, moi?")    |
   OR: SCST86@UK.AC.LIV.UXA            |                             |
 TELE: (UK) 0831 852787                +-----------------------------+

Any way I could port those SPARCstation files over to my 
SoundBlaster?  Anyone know of any conversion program?
 
  -Dave Cowen

Has anyone heard any rumors about a second TP soundtrack with songs
and music from the second season?  As long as it doesn't have the
James/Donna/Maddy song on it I would buy it.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

Hi all!  I have a request.  But first, a long-winded intro:

Last year at this time I was the TP buff to end all TP buffs, and had
practically memorized the first season and written myself a 15-page 
cribsheet of clues and miscellaneous hoo-ha to remember for the start
of the second season.  I happened to move to Seattle, hooked up to the
net, discovered this newsgroup and was in HEAVEN.  Hey, I was even LIVING
right near the "real TP"!  A good chunk of my first year in grad school 
was spent over-analyzing TP.  Boy, it was fun.  [I feel so nostalgic now,
recalling those days of happy obsession...gee, I'm practically getting
teary-eyed about it...:-/ ]

But then TP started to go downhill...even I had to admit it...I stopped
compiling my quote list...stopped memorizing clues...and then I was shipped
off to Alaska for a couple months to study tundra birds.  By the time I 
got back I'd missed the last weekly episode as well as the two-hour 
conclusion, and my friend Katie who often tapes TP was in Prudhoe Bay
studying sandpipers and obviously had not taped it from there!  (*real*
*bad* TV reception.  Plus, no VCR.)  And also, well, I had psychologically
abandoned TP, having gotten a life temporarily :-).  I also thought the movie
wasn't going to happen; I somehow heard a report that McLachlan said he didn't
want to play Cooper?  (Did I imagine this?)  Well, a few weeks ago I 
happened to hear a news report that a chemical spill by the Snoqualmie River
 wasn't going to be cleaned up for a few days due to the TP
movie's filming schedule.  My first thought, good little conservation 
biologist that I am (:-/), was not "My god, they're delaying cleanup of a 
CHEMICAL SPILL just for a MOVIE??" but instead was "The TP movie *IS*
being filmed!  Yaay!"  And THEN, Katie informed me that her mother had
dutifully taped the two-hour conclusion while Katie was up at Prudhoe Bay.
Aren't moms great?  ...I watched it last night.  Zap!  What a thrill to
see the red-curtain room again and to just *roll* in it for ages and ages
with all sorts of backward talk and Lodge gobblydegook and BOB scenes.
I just *live* for red-curtain scenes and cryptic clues.

Finally I get to the point...  I definitely missed a couple episodes.  The
last one I remember is the one where they discovered the cave and saw the
map.  But I don't remember that one very clearly.  And there was definitely
at least one after that that I *never* saw.  So, my questions are:
1)  WHAT HAPPENED between when they saw the map, and the two-hour conclusion?
2)  Anyone have any tapes of those last couple episodes that they'd like
to lend me?  Please?  If you can make copies, I can pay shipping & tape
cost & even a little fee, or, if you just want to lend I *promise* to give
them back.  I am *super reliable*.
3)  What is the deal with the movie?  What is it about?  What the hell is
going on?  What did I hear or imagine about McLachlan?  Am I spelling his
name wrong?  
4) I had a dream that I went to the Snoqualmie/North Bend area on innocuous,
non-TP business, and accidentally met some of the film crew, had a lovely
chat and managed to convey to them just how much *fun* it was to be a TP
buff last year.  Curiously, none of the cast or big names appeared in my
dream -- just anonymous TP crew.  I also dreamed that Katie (my TP-buff 
friend) and I were tracking radio-collared marbled murrelet fledglings
from their nests near Snoqualmie all the way to Puget Sound, racing underneath
them in a truck as they flew way overhead.  (Marbled murrelets are open-ocean
birds that breed in old-growth forest, and are getting as politically hot as 
the spotted owl.)  Does this mean anything?  :-)

Thank god I still have the Jan. 26th episode on tape.  If I hadn't seen
that, I'd *really* have been confused.  :-)

Kathleen
-- Kathleen Hunt / U.W. Zoology / jespah@milton.u.washington.edu Teacher: Now kids, can anyone give me an example of a proverb? 3rd grader: "Shut up and sit down."

In article gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
> > Was it actually played on European television?
> >
Not up here anyway. From what I heard it was put together at about the
same time as the pilot, Lynch/Frost had no plans on selling the series
to TV stations outside US or something so they did this version for
video rental. But then the word spread so many European countries have
or are now showing it on TV. The Euro-TP movie was in video-stores
long before the series got here.  I haven't met anyone that saw it
before the series though. 

The series as shown over here seems to be identical to the US version,
except that we saw Bob's face shimmering over the (blood) spot on the
carpet in Maddies vision, and the last two episodes were shown
separately. In UK it was censored a bit due to pressure on the BBC
after the "Maddie dances with Bob" scene...
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In article <1991Sep20.023955.33717@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >It seems to me that it is rather rude to claim to be a good guy and
> >then stand there and watch the ultimate good guy bleed.

Who says the Giant is a "good guy???"  The giant never does.  I think he  
initially says something like "If I tell you these things and they come true,
then will you believe me?"

Even the devil tells the truth sometimes.

-- ======Live from New York.... Bill Moss billm@jpradley.jpr.com (At Work:billm@bear.com) ======(sig shortened for these environmentally aware 90's - SAVE A PIXEL!!)==

Three times over the course of the TP series some character
mentions something which, I feel, defines the whole series'
tone.  The first reference is by Donna in the second or
third episode talking to her mother the morning after
James is first taken to jail.  Donna tells her mother
something like: It's like I'm living the most beautiful dream
and the most terrible nightmare.  I've forgotten the second
reference.  The third is by Joan Reneux (I think that is not
the correct spelling.)  He is answering Cooper's question 'Is
my death so important to you?'  Here is the answer to the best
of my memory:

My two brothers died.  I hold you responsible.
Twin Peeks used to be a happy place.  My brothers and I deal
dope to the high schoolers and the truck drivers.  One Eyed
Jack's serves the tourist and the buisnessmen.  But then
a pretty girl dies, and suddenly the quiet people, they are
quiet no more.  Suddenly the simple dream, becomes the
nightmare.  Maybe you brought the nightmare with you?  And,
if you die, the nightmare may die with you?

Although not a vocal reference, the Cooper's dream in the
first season is a beautiful nightmare.

The 'Beautiful Nightmare' concept seems to shape
much of Lynch's work.

Anamolies:
Here are some anomolies I've seen in the series.

The Pawn at the gazibo needs about six people to
move it.  I dought that Leo and Windham could have got it
there.  But maybe they stole a forklift or something.

The Civil War band is assembled in a room with Ben
and Co.  Then Jerry and Audrey go to another room and discuss
Ben's will and the band marches through the hall.  But then
the band is back in the original room immediately.

Peoples' blood types change.

The tatto that Maj. Briggs got when he disappearred
was three triangles and later Cooper is using three diamonds
in his drawings and in the cave.

The waiting room statues are different between the
two seasons.  (Check the arms - I think first season they
are missing, and in the final show they are present at least
for the statue in the waiting room(s) while the one in the
hall is missing the arms.)
((Not counting the recollection of the dream by Cooper as
assisted by the Giant.))

What happened to Donna's sisters in the final episodes?
Shouldn't Donna wonder about them and not just herself.
(Birth certificate should have mother >maiden< name)
also Earlier discussion of repeated Pea passing.

Yeah, about the discussion re: the TP movie or Euro movie as everyone
calls it, and the TP 'pilot', I am getting very confused. Here in New 
Zealand, the Twin Peaks movie appeared ages ago, with the boiler room
ending in which Mike, Coop and Harry discover Bob avec heaps of candles. 
Mike appears to have a heart attack and die, Coop I think blows away 
Bob then we cut to the dwarf and Lauras cuz Maddie whispering into Coop
(aged Coop's ) ear. (whew! Sorry, long sentence). Yeah, so that was 
the 'movie', then the pilot was different, movie length but from what 
I can remember Bob didn't appear and hence from that the series is 
able to continue. So you have the movie and its dwarf ending, now I 
heard from someone that David Lynch didn't want the movie to end that 
way but was constrained by budgets or producers or something and got 
pissed off and threw that ending in quickly. We talked about the meaning
of the '25 years on' scene for ages and wondered how the series would 
relate to it. I wonder if David is out there if he could tell us a bit 
about how the series is written etc, presumably the movie was made and then
the series sprung from that, but how much of it was written and planned, or is 
it all just tacked on as we go, movie, series 1 and 2, 3, then second movie...?

Also, and this is probably way, way off, but when the series started, I 
remember being slightly confused by a number of characters appearing to 
be similar. For example, Norma and Shelley, man, they look just like sisters
in the series, very similar looking, and how about Ben Horne and Leland
Palmer? They look related! Donna and Audrey as well are close in terms of 
their appearance. After this I get a bit hazy, Laura and Maddie of course
ARE identical, mmmm, Harry Truman and Ed, nah. Anyway, there may be others
out there, or am I just seeing things? 

Finally, could the people in Seattle keep their contributions re: Fire 
Walk With ME, rolling in, I find it fascinating to read about the upcoming
shoots, who is there to film  etc etc. 
Bye groovers, 

Tom Higham,
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,
Chemistry Division,
University of Waikato, 
Hamilton.
NewZealand.

I'm afraid my music theory was rustier than I thought...

In article <1991Sep20.223253.19801dawn@netcom.COM>, dawn@netcom.COM (Darragh
Nagle) says:
>> >> ("there's-a-place...").  From the tonic note, the sequence
>> >> proceeds in an interval to a diminished seventh, and then
>> >> down a half-step to a major sixth.  In the key of C major,
>> >> the three note sequence would be:
>> >>
>> >>                   C,  B-flat,   A
> >
> >   However, the melody ends up on the major third of the
> >chord being played by the accompaniment, which would indicate
> >that the tonic is actually F (using your example notes).

Gosh darn it, you're right!  It has also been pointed out to me that
this is a minor, not a diminished, seventh.

>> >> Now the NBC network theme, however, begins on the tonic and
>> >> goes directly to the major sixth (not even trying for the
>> >> diminished seventh), and then continues down to the perfect
>> >> fourth, or:
>> >>                     C,  A,  F.
>> >>
> >
> >   Again, I hear the tonic as F in this case, since the entire
> >theme uses notes from the F major chord in first inversion.

Yes, it certainly seems that way.  :)   Here, too, I guess I should
have said the ROOT rather than the tonic.  Oh well...

>> >> And the interval of the perfect fourth, as we all know from
>> >> every television wedding, is "here comes the bride...", or:
>> >>
>> >>                     C,  A, A, A.
>> >>
> >
> >   That would be C, F, F, F.

I'm very, very embarrassed about this.  You're right, of course.  :-/

> >Speaking of the music which was in the air, did you notice
> >the Neopolitan 6th in the progression in "Into the night?"

Come, now.  I'm obviously having enough trouble with my intervals, let
alone unusual chord structures!  :-)


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Well, I just watched the European ending of TP and I must say I found
it lacking in much the same way as the  2+ hour version of DUNE.

As I have said before, I liked the 4 hour version that apparently only 
appeared here in the midwest United States.  But there were some redeeming
events in this version.  Those of you who watch this board frequently
will remember that I had asked what exactly the reference to the gum meant.
The dwarf seems to know.

I was a little dissappointed that BOB didn't talk in that cool version of
english (reversed).

I had a thought that I might share with you.  Seeing as Dave Lynch is into
a sort of Neo-Bhuddist-Islamic-Judeo-cult thing (as justification I refer you
to DUNE and all of its islamic references, even though they come from Herbert
and Coop's emphatuation with Tibet).

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a theme running thru Bhuddism or
perhaps Islam that we are given signposts (portents, etc) on our trek to
nirvanna, or something like that?  It's been a long time since my East Asian
Religion classes, but I think I remember something about that.  Therefore,
after much rambling, couldn't the Giant simply be a marker, portent, sign, or
whatever.
Justification:  His only purpose seems to be relaying information as in
"it is happening again..."etc.
He is unable to enter into real-time actions, and only appears
to cooper.

Thoughts?  I don't mind if you refute my claims on Bhuddism or Islam, and I
meant no disrespect.  As a simple Humanist, I do not claim to know anything.

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> > In article <14740045@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>> > >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
>>> > >> dyke@grandview.dab.ge.com (Erick Dyke) writes:
> >  
>> > >You did not miss anything.  Eerie was incredibly bad.  It will be cancelled
>> > >for sure.
> > 
> > Do you have a crystal ball?  Of course it will be cancelled eventually
> > but you're the first person I've heard say anything bad about it.
> > It's not TP, but its sort of fun and has an appealling slightly
> > Twilight Zone feel.

No, no crystal ball, but I would wager money that this show will
not get a second season.  I even gave it another chance.  Yes,
it is only my opinion, but for me this show sucked.  I mean there
is absolutely no reason to watch it.  It has no redeeming qualities
whatsoever.  And while people may find it amusing for awhile, I 
am betting that 60 minutes will trash it in the ratings.

doug

In article <9109212316.AA26856@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
> >Has anyone heard any rumors about a second TP soundtrack with songs
> >and music from the second season?  As long as it doesn't have the
> >James/Donna/Maddy song on it I would buy it.

Hey!  I liked that song!  I was going to try to copy it off of the 
videotape but there's conversations and ambient sound I would've gotten
with it.  If you don't like it, program your CD player to skip it...

       __     ____         __   ____         __   __        (__==__)
      /\ \   /  \_\       / /\ /  \ \       / |\ / /\         (oo)  ( moo.)
     /  \_\ / /\ |_|     / / /| /\ \ \     /  ||/ / /  /-------\/  -'
    / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_   / / / \ \/  \ \   /   |/ / /  / | U.T.||
   /  \/ |_| \  __ \_\ /_/ /   \  /\ \_\ / /|   / /  *  ||----||
  / /\ ./_/   \ \ \/_/_\_\/     \ \ \/_// / |  / /      ^^    ^^
  \ \/ |_|     \ \_\ /_/\        \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ /     Br!an Bloom
   \__/_/       \/_/ \_\/         \/_/ \_\/ \_\/   brianb@natinst.com

jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >Not to be confused with the pale horse seen just before Maddy's death,
> >which was just an ordinary death-image.

Immediately refered to as "Binky" in the UK.

If you've read any of Terry Pratchet's stuff, particularly
"MORT", you'll know why.
Bob.

gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
> >I rented the movie from Tower yesterday.  I must say that I am confused
> >about this.  Was this the ending of the pilot as shown in Europe?  After

No. This was the ending of the videotape. The pilot episode
for the series was exactly the same as the US version.
Minus the advert breaks, of course. It was shown by the BBC.
Bob.

clindh@abalon.se (Christer Lindh) writes:
> >or are now showing it on TV. The Euro-TP movie was in video-stores
> >long before the series got here.

The video movie appeared in the rental shops here a couple
of weeks after the series started in the US. This was something
like six months before the BBC started showing the series,
which they showed right through with only a few breaks over
christmas and new year, so that we got the first half of the
two part final episode only a couple of days after the US
viewers.

... I haven't met anyone that saw it
> >before the series though. 

You have now. I haven't met anyone else 'though.
Bob.

> >:: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden  ::  /@        ::  This sentenc contains three
> >::       59.19 N, 17.57 E        ::  <|\  acro ::  erors.

I love it!  After my recent flamefest (apologies to Greg Salmieri - we
have corresponded, for all of you who didn't write to me), this was a
breath of fresh err. :-)


Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
               (for all the good it did me)
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
              *My father's name - Palmer

In article <1991Sep23.042438.13485@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <1991Sep23.133433.4977@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> >I heard that Lynch said to Silva (BOB), "You killed Laura
> >Palmer," in reference to his apparent dislike of the clothing
> >he gave Laura for the picnic scene.  If this is true, that would mean
> >that Lynch hadn't yet shot the Euro-TP ending (since he only just
> >then decided to use Silva for BOB) at least until the
> >picnic scene was done (which was in the first 3 episodes I think). 

Actually they shot the picnic scene for the pilot... remember how they
showed the tape to Bobby?  So probably the Euro-ending was still part
of that same shoot in Snoqualmie.

Jon Blum

In article <9713@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >In article <1991Sep23.042438.13485@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Sep23.133433.4977@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> >>I heard that Lynch said to Silva (BOB), "You killed Laura
>> >>Palmer," in reference to his apparent dislike of the clothing
>> >>he gave Laura for the picnic scene.  If this is true, that would mean
>> >>that Lynch hadn't yet shot the Euro-TP ending (since he only just
>> >>then decided to use Silva for BOB) at least until the
>> >>picnic scene was done (which was in the first 3 episodes I think). 

> >Actually they shot the picnic scene for the pilot... remember how they
> >showed the tape to Bobby?  So probably the Euro-ending was still part
> >of that same shoot in Snoqualmie.

Whoops!  I forgot. Sorry.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Anyone know what the status of COOP is? I don't recall seeing any COOP related
postings here for some time. If I want to start a local chapter of COOP, what do I do?
Or for that matter, how do I find out where there are current chapters?

Are the articles in this newgroup cross posted to any non-internet bbs like 
Fidonet, Compuserve, et cetera?  Does anyone out there know if, in particular,
there is anyway for Prodigy users to read and post to this newsgroup?
Email responses, please.

-Rich Haller < rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu>

Could someone (Bob C.?) tell me how to order a pine weasel
t-shirt?  A friend would like to get one if they're still
available.

Thanks,
Rocky Giovinazzo
giovin@medr0ecs.umass.edu

Does anyone know of any other ftp sites other than audrey.sait.edu.au?
Since I live in Canada, ftp'ing from Austrailia takes a Godawfully long time, 
and I am not that patient! ;-). Please email any answers, I do not have enough 
time to read this newsgroup often!
Thanx, Mike

Could someone please post or mail me a description of what a doppleganger
is.  A formal definition, any literature references etc.  I thought I read
something like this after the last episode, but I could not find it.

Thanks in advance

Darren T. Burton

dtburton@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
University of Oklahoma]
EECS
Norman, Ok  73071

In <1991Sep23.194609.18667@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> >In article <9713@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Sep23.042438.13485@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>>> >>>In article <1991Sep23.133433.4977@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>> >>>I heard that Lynch said to Silva (BOB), "You killed Laura
>>> >>>Palmer," in reference to his apparent dislike of the clothing
>>> >>>he gave Laura for the picnic scene.  If this is true, that would mean
>>> >>>that Lynch hadn't yet shot the Euro-TP ending (since he only just
>>> >>>then decided to use Silva for BOB) at least until the
>>> >>>picnic scene was done (which was in the first 3 episodes I think). 

>> >>Actually they shot the picnic scene for the pilot... remember how they
>> >>showed the tape to Bobby?  So probably the Euro-ending was still part
>> >>of that same shoot in Snoqualmie.

> >Whoops!  I forgot. Sorry.

> >Rocky Giovinazzo

While visiting the area, I talked to the owner of the Mar-T who said
that Silva was added as Bob some time after the pilot.  She said
they filmed the pilot about a year before it appeared on ABC,
and seemed to imply that it wasn't until the series that Silva
doubled as Bob (he's a tech of some sort for the show.)  I had
heard something like that before, but wasn't sure if Bob appeared
in the pilot.  Did he?  I don't think so (at least the American
ABC version.)

$0.02

sj

Whew!  What a trip.  I'll try to make this short 'cause otherwise I
might go on for too long.  I just got back from the Snoq/North Bend
area.  I spent two hours or so there Friday the 20th, and one hour
there Saturday the 21st.  I forgot to print out and take with me
all my suggestions from the netters, so we wandered around a bit
at first, not really knowing where to look.

It was eerie just entering the area, recognizing the mountains, but not
really much else.  The area itself is much more open than I imagined.
I guess I imagined a tiny little town surrounded by the ubiquitous
cloying forest.  Beautiful, none the less.

First we headed to the Falls, since there were signs for it.  The
Salish Lodge (Great Northern's exterior) seemed nice, but pricy.  The
view of the falls was perfect, and gorgeous.  Inside there was a
wall of magazine articles (near the bathrooms down from the registration
desk) mostly about the Lodge, but one was about where to go in the
"real Twin Peaks."  It was quite informative, telling where a lot
of the sites are, as well as other information like where they shot
Pete's sighting of LP (somewhere *west* of Seattle), the insides of
the Great Northern (Kianu Lodge in Seattle), where the cast stayed
during the filming of the show (Cypress Inn in Seattle), etc.  It
also pointed us to the RR Diner (Mar-T Cafe).

Heading to North Bend, we stopped by the RR to check out the inside
and outside, only (with MUCH dismay) to find out they were filming
there ALL day Thursday, the day before (what a pisser).  It was amazing
how much different it looks on the inside, while still looking the
same.  The layout of the RR is different than the Mar-T (i.e. they
shot things to make it look bigger, and the kitchen and bathroom are
in different places because of the way the did the shots, if that makes
sense).  But the owner said they did all of the shooting there, and
didn't change a thing.  They did leave that big ice cream cone behind,
but otherwise she said there were few props added, save a few posters for
consistency (they had covered the TP posters located on the walls).
Had a turkey sandwich there (dollop of mayonaisse), but no cherry pie
(I'm not a big pie fan.)

Down the street a few yards is a store which sells tons o' memorabilia,
including a map to the local TP sites.  Using this we saw: the Ronnette
Railroad Trestle (more later), the Sheriff's office building (an office
bldg at Weyerhauser, aka. the Packard Mill), the site of the James/Donna/
Laura home movie (at the winery; gorgeous view of the area), the
Roadhouse (the Colonial Inn, more later), the "entrance" into Twin
Peaks (a road leading towards the railroad trestle, no sign, obviously),
and TP High (Mt. Si High, more later).  Couldn't find Big Ed's Gas Farm
(didn't try very hard, actually a kite store).

Our first encounter with filming was near the Polaski trestle.  We
nonchalantly parked behind this old Roadmaster, then realized something
was funny.  A woman with blonde hair was sitting in the car by herself.
In front of that was a pickup with two guys standing around it.
Then there was a cop.  We walked towards the cop, and as we passed him,
he wouldn't let us go any further 'cause they were shooting a drive-by
there.  Bingo.  Looking back at the Buick, we realized that the woman
in the car was supposed to be Laura, but actually looked nothing at
all like her.  But from a distance, who can tell?  While we were there,
they filmed that darn drive-by at least six times.  It was maybe a five
second clip, based on the distance that the cameras could see.  I couldn't
figger out why so many cuts, but I'm no movie expert.  Since there were
no real stars here, we headed on.

Our next encounter was at the Roadhouse, aka the Colonial Inn.  This
looks very little like the Roadhouse, 'cause they use just one side
of it for filming.  Here they were setting up for a night shot.  Lots
of guys (and girls) in leather were hanging out.  We decided not to.
We talked to one of the crew for a sec, until the subject turned
towards the Huskies and the Stanford shirt I was wearing.

Leaving the Colonial Inn, we spotted a van with a L/F productions
placard on the dashboard.  We followed it, coming upon a crew in the
Fall City neighborhood.  We parked and watched a crew filming (supposedly,
we could see none of the actual filming) inside a house there and
telling everyone to be quiet everytime they started rolling.  About
ten minutes later, Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs) and Sheryl Lee
(Laura Palmer) walked out.  They were taking a fifteen minute
lunch break, piling into a van ten feet in front of us.  The scene
must have been emotional, Sheryl looked sad with runny makeup,
but when a guy next to us called her name, her face lit up with
that (absolutely, amazingly, undescribably) incredible Laura
Palmer smile.  Wow!  We were floored.  Dana seemed kinda like an
uncaring jerk, but it's hard to say.

On the way back to the car, we just happened to walk by Mr. Lynch himself
talking to someone in the street.  I turned around to make sure my friend
recognized him, then turned around again to have him walking right at
me.  I shook his hand, and I'm sure I said something fawning, but I
don't remember what.  If I was prepared, I would have gotten his auto-
graph and maybe even asked him about a.t.tp.  I did get a chance to
get his picture.  He looked like he could have been out fishing, and
was the nicest guy.  I didn't know what to imagine, but I kinda assumed
he'd be an arrogant jerk.  Totally the opposite.  Very polite and
seemingly caring, but it's hard to say.

After that, we headed out, and came back Saturday only to find that
they were filming up at Snohomish, about 25 miles north.  According
to the Mar-T woman (who seems to know everything about the filming
schedules) they couldn't use Mt. Si High 'cause it changed too
much since the series, so they use a high school up there.  I guess
they probably head up there every Saturday, so school will be out
and since they take just Sunday off.  The owner of the diner is very
nice and willing to talk about TP, especially, I assume, if you give
her your business.  She seems to know quite a few of the cast as well
as David pretty well.  She had the utmost of respect for Lynch, saying
what a professional he is.  She says his shooting schedule lasts
from early morning to sometimes as late as 2:30am.

So, if you are planning a trip (and if you live close, you should),
you should check out these things, and look for the filming.  But
hurry, the filming according to Ms. Mar-T is over in two weeks
(hopeful release in 6-9 months) for this area, then back to the
studios.  The best way to find the filming to to check all the
known TP spots, and look for tan and blue vans with L/F TP placards
on the dash, and follow them.  My guess is Snohomish on Saturdays,
and Snoq/NB/Fall City on M-F.  I even have the number of the Mar-T
diner, and if you are a capable phone politician, you might be able
to weasel some info out of them without making the dash over there.
I don't, however, want to advertise her number all over the net.
Also, check the article at the Salish Lodge.  It gives a lot of good info.
And find the map at the store across from the Mar-T in downtown North Bend.

Well, sorry to be so long winded.  Enjoy the trip while you can.

sj

anton@paros.tss.COM (Jeff Anton) writes:

> > [...] The third is by Joan Reneux (I think that is not
> > the correct spelling.)  He is answering Cooper's question 'Is
> > my death so important to you?'  Here is the answer to the best
> > of my memory:
> > 
> > My two brothers died.  I hold you responsible.
> > Twin Peeks used to be a happy place.  My brothers and I deal
> > dope to the high schoolers and the truck drivers.  One Eyed
> > Jack's serves the tourist and the buisnessmen.  But then
> > a pretty girl dies, and suddenly the quiet people, they are
> > quiet no more.  Suddenly the simple dream, becomes the
> > nightmare.  Maybe you brought the nightmare with you?  And,
> > if you die, the nightmare may die with you?

This may be one of the key speeches of the whole series. I think the
Cooper autobiography hints that evil has been pursuing Coop since his
earliest days, as symbolized toward the end of the book as the blue man.
This would fit with Coop's BOBification at the end of the second season.
Perhaps the whole Laura thing was part of a plot on the part of the
forces of evil to draw Coop to Twin Peaks (much as, in the Exorcist, 
the possession was a ruse to set up a battle between Pazuzu (sp?) and
the priest).

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

i'm not certain i'm remembering this right, but didn't the statue in the
waiting room disappear after coop's doppelganger arrived? if so, any 
speculation as to why?
o.

hello world
I just wanted to know of any thoughts on the one quote that's bugged
me the most. What ,if any, significance does the quote
"Wow Bob Wow"
have?????

Please keep it reasonable. I don't think I can handle references
to Zen or other Lynch movies.
Was TLMFAP excited about something or what?

Thanks for any help
Frank

-- Francesco Pietro Savaglio ----- Electrical & Computer Engineering |_|_| James Cook Uni. Townsville. Australia. 4811. | | | E-Mail: eefps@marlin.jcu.edu.au F C

What????

No Audrey!!!  No Donna!!!!!  <whimper, whimper....>

Why???  Did they have contractual problems, just not feel like doing it, or 
busy schedules or something?  Please, I gots to know!  <whine....>

<sigh.>
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