Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
> >Speaking of Wild at Heart, I noticed last night that the hotel manager
> >in New Orleans is Del the banker in the TP finale!! Same thick black
> >glasses, suit and hilarious body language.

Yep, the only difference was that in Wild at Heart, he had a four-legged
cain.  I think I liked him better without it (in TP).  The way Lynch had
him walk was just hilarious.  Sometimes I wonder if Lynch has something
against old people; he always portrays them in such a comical fashion.

Also, didn't anyone notice that the full-screen shots of fire that were
interspersed thoughout the Black Lodge sequence were taken from Wild
at Heart as well?

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

In article <1991Jun13.162332.6103@pimacc.pima.edu> vcooper@pimacc.pima.edu (Vanya Cooper) writes:
 >In article <TOM.91Jun12094726@kether.webo.dg.com>, tom@kether.webo.dg.com (Tom Sullivan) writes:
 >> 
 >> Perhaps the mark the major and the log lady have is due to facing the
 >> black lodge and NOT getting corrupted....If so, perhaps he made it to
 >> the white lodge...
 >> 
 >
 >Probably th giant is actually the doorman for the White lodge and if you pass
 >the test, he will stamp your hand (neck or whatever) as you leave so you can
 >get back in later ...
 >
 >- Vanya J Cooper, Pima Community College, District Computer Services -
 >  Internet: vcooper@pimacc.pima.edu
 >  Paper: 2202 West Anklam Road, Tucson, Arizona 85709 USA
 >  Voice: 602 884-6809

And how about that cover charge?  I bet the drinks are weak, too.

jimbo

Sheez... I just looked through the last 400 postings and not one mentioned
the ftp sites for sounds and images.  I've seen it posted before, but
not recently...

Could anyone repost TP ftp sites..

Thanx....

--Rob

raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:

> > Scott also said his book was doing particularly well in
> > foreign markets, where the TV show has also been successful.
> > Apparently it's drawn enough attention that the Australians
> > have been interviewing him by telephone.
> > 
> > 
> > P.S.:  He's about to wrap up a non-Peaks movie script
> > and is looking for work...  Anyone need a good script?

I remember reading hear some centuries back :-) that one of the Frosts
was working on a biiig TP book, that would include events 40 years ago
(such as Leland's encounters with Mr. Robertson?). What ever happened
with that?

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

> > 3.  The indian war whoop followed by "Hallelujah!" indicates to me that 
> > Hawk is to be one of the rescuers of Cooper, eventually, and that Dale 
> > says "Hallelujah!" after he is saved.

The expression "indian war whoop" made me think of Johnny Horne.  Anyone 
else?

-- Dave

here's a theory: there are no answers.
Maybe dear Mr. Lynch is just having some fun. And anyway, who expected
him to tie it all up? Why should he if there is even a faint
hope of Peaks being brought back? I thought that the "ending" was great.
Kind of confusing at times, but that's its charm. The lodge/waiting
room scene was fun. I loved the way it dragged on. If the whole show was
tied up, would all of us, even the most devoted viewers, ever watch it again?
I don't think I would. Knowing everything about TP is kind of like knowing
the mysteries of life.(I think.) It just can't be done. I don't think even
Mr. Lynch could explain everything. I just finished reading 394 of these
stupid messages. I enjoyed it immensely. This is the first message I've written,
so puh-leese don't be offended by anything I say. I don't understand why you
guys want to know absolutely everything. Do you seriously think that all
your questions will be answered? I think not. I'm  not trying to be pessimistic
or anything, I'm just wondering. BTW, this is Jill, not Palmer. My father knows
absolutely NOTHING about TP. So if you're going to answer back and address it to
my dad, he won't know what the hell you're talking about. Thanx for being considerate
enough to read this message.

    Jill Johnson



     ///  Palmer Johnson
    ///   UUCP: pjohnson@jabba
\\\///  Amiga 2500 - TeleBit T2500
 \XX/  Windsor Ontario Canada

you've made a very good point, MIKE, FALL OUT is very similar in tone,
i think to this Tweaks finale.  the PRISONER also had a two-part finale.
they were discrete episodes with different stories.  the first part was
more concerned with resolution, ONCE UPON A TIME, where Leo McKern as
Number two tries to break SIX once and for all and find out why he 
resigned.  At the conclusion of this Drake is successful and Two dies.
The final episode FALL OUT is much more a Dadaist symphony where we
learn that SIX is ONE... kinda like how Black Lodge = White Lodge, or
at least they're in the same place.
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roger@wrq.com (Roger Fulton) writes:

> > 7) Trivial, but interesting: when Coop enters the
> > curtains initially, he's wearing an overcoat.  When we
> > then cut to the next scene (Coop entering the hallway),
> > Coop has no overcoat on.  Hmmm....  Did we miss a scene
> > where he checked his coat?  :-)

Seems like a critical scene landed on the cutting room floor:
Josie is now the Black Lodge coat check girl. And we didn't
get to see the Legendary Jimmy Whatever's backing band: The
Renault Brothers!

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

mihaych@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Mihaychuk) writes:

> > In my book:
> >  BOB==>Dancing Leland==>LMFAP==>Spirtual midget==>EEE-vil demon
                                  ^^^^^^^^
> >  Droolcup==>The Giant==>Spritual giant==>Good sprit/angel
                          ^^^^^^^^
"You're in a maze of tiny typos, all different."

The truly Spiritual are neutral; to be simply good or simply evil,
you must pluck out one of your "i"s.

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:

> > Suppose the central theme of TP is that when the Universe began, two
> > separate timelines were created - a positive time line and a negative
> > time line.  The two threads of time are intertwined and intersect every
> > 20-25 years.  We live in the positive time line and the black and white lodge
> > exist in the negative time line.  Time is moving forward to the occupants
> > of the lodges, but in reverse direction to ours.  They therefore know
> > what's happening in our future at 20-25 year intervals.  This explains
> > how Laura and the LMFAP can know Dale's future.  THEY have already lived
> > it - in reverse.  To communicate with us, they have to talk backward,
> > because if they talked forward (to them), it would SOUND backward to us.

One bug with this (rather nifty) theory: If this were true, as I understand
what you're saying, then Laura of the Lodge would not know who had killed
the earthly Laura, since from her viewpoint it wouldn't have happened yet...

> > Consider also, that if the movie addresses the time prior to Laura's
> > death, the Black lodge timeline would have advanced an equal amount into
> > its future, and they should therefore know what happened to Dale and
> > Annie.  Let's face it - Kyle MacLachlan WILL be in the movie! 

Some random speculation re: the movie...

I've had a sneaky suspicion (voiced here before) that Leland did >not<
kill Laura, but that BOB had possessed >Ben< up until the end of the first
season. At that point, to confuse issues, BOB left Ben and entered Leland.
Results of this:
. Leland's hair turned white (like BOB's?)
. Ben lost his marbles for a while.
. BOB started dropping clues leading Coop to Leland

This would also posit that, like Donna, Laura's real (physical) father was
also Ben. I wouldn't be surprised if BOB would have played with Sarah's
memory to make her not recall this. The results of Sarah's encounter with
BOeBn would have long lasting effects, causing her to have the visions and
the communication with Major Briggs.

This could make for a shocking end to TP:TMP -- everything goes as we know
it did, >except< the killer is revealed to be Ben, not Leland. That could
well throw audiences for a loop, and would have the effect of, in a sense,
trashing and reconstructing our understanding of what happened in much of
the series (thus, if the movie is successful enough, prompting Fox or something
to bring back reruns as a miniseries, much as they did with "V").

My guess is that the movie would follow parallel story lines: one following
Laura, and the other following Coop in the investigation of the murder of
Theresa Banks. Possible intertwinings might include:
. An early interconnection between Laura, Theresa, and Ronette
. A link between Ben (and possibly BOB), One Eyed Jacks, the
  Renault Brothers, Leo, some counterparts where Theresa is from,
  and Fleshworld magazine
. The appearances in dreams of the Blue Man to Coop, and Laura's
  visions
. Coop's precognition of the Red Room dream (mentioned in his
  autobiography).
. Earlier appearances of MIKE connected to Theresa
. BOB and MIKE's separation, and what actually led MIKE to cut off
  arm.

After Laura's death (and transfiguration?), the movie would conclude
with his entering the town of Twin Peaks, and the first tape to Diane.
However, the footage of Coop driving would show stuff from different
angles that we didn't see at the beginning of the show -- stuff (like owls
leading or following the cars, as in a presidential caravan) that would
now be known to be ominous...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

(Brian Wood) writes:
> >Consider also, that if the movie addresses the time prior to Laura's
> >death, the Black lodge timeline would have advanced an equal amount into
> >its future, and they should therefore know what happened to Dale and
> >Annie.

Uh, no.

"What happened to Dale and Annie" will simply be further in the past
for the reversed time line.  At any point in time, the reversed time
line knows the entire future of the forward time line, and vice versa.

Great news for David Lynch and Twin Peaks Fans!!!!

David Lynch called me  on the telephone on Friday, and he relayed to me that
a Twin Peaks movie WILL BE his NEXT project. (whether or not he is working
on Ronnie Rocket now is something that I don't know.)

The movie will cover the Theresa Banks murder and the final days of
Laura Palmer.  The title will be 'Fire Walk With Me.'  

He did not tell me this in confidence, so I am sure that it is not a secret.
:^)

He said, and I quote, 'It's gonna be cool.'

Bob 'BOB' Cappel

PS  I am sure that Kyle MacLachlan will be in it...if you remember correctly,
he investigated Theresa Banks murder. 

  
--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||               fear...?" 
                                ||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               is not enough...!"

 I still have 200 plus posts to read but I thought I would bring this up
as I have yet to read much about it.  Two characters, Leo and Coop, seem
to be worst off every season ending cliffhanger episode.  
  Recall Coop was shot last season and now he is host to BOB.  He does not
fare well when the TV season is over.
 Leo last season was shot by Hank (perhaps a spoiler for some third world
nation that has yet to view that episode) and this season Windom leaves him
hanging by a thread (ha ha).
  Just thgouth I would point that out.  One question does come to me 
concerning Leo.  If Major Briggs is fit enough to go to RR then why
doesn't he tell someone Leo is in the woods a prisoner of Windom Earle?
I am having the same feeling about this that I did concerning Shelly not
saying a thing about Catherine at the begining of this season.  The town 
including the police feared that Catherine was dead but nobody asked Shelly
about her and Shelly was the last to see her in the burning Mill.  True
Shelly might have not known where Catherine was (could have lost her in
the flames and smoke) but our brilliant detectives Cooper and Truman never
asked Shelly a thing about Catherine.

Todd

> >Annie, unlike other victims, seems to have had no premonition of her
> >fate.She does not seem to have been a pawn of Windom or BOB until
> >the pageant draws attention to her.  Was her picture on one of the
> >cards at any point?
> >
The fourth card was reserved for Miss Twin Peaks. There was no face on it.

--

     ///  Jill Johnson
    ///   UUCP: pjohnson@jabba
\\\///  Amiga 2500 - TeleBit T2500
 \XX/  Windsor Ontario Canada

> >Speaking of Wild at Heart, I noticed last night that the hotel manager
> >in New Orleans is Del the banker in the TP finale!! Same thick black
> >glasses, suit and hilarious body language.
> >
> >Also Eric Da Rae (Leo) is a casting assistant.

You may not of noticed, but Mr. Lynch re-uses his actors. Kyle MacLachlan
has been in three of his productions. Also, Lynch is often in his own movies
and TV shows. In TP he plays Gordon Cole. In Dune he played the commander-
communications guy on the spice harvester.
--

     ///  Jill Johnson
    ///   UUCP: pjohnson@jabba
\\\///  Amiga 2500 - TeleBit T2500
 \XX/  Windsor Ontario Canada

In article <33656@usc.edu> whalen@stromboli.usc.edu (Tim Whalen) writes:

> >Scene:  Cooper and the boys are puzzling over the map at the sheriffs
> >        office.  A psychotic Major Briggs is ranting in the corner...

> >Briggs: (babbling) Protect the queen, protect the queen!

> >Truman: (muttering) of Romania?!?

Yes!  Definitely the funniest line of the show!  My family has no sense of
humour at all - the reason why I was the only one to laugh at this.

> >Coop:  Harry, good work, Aces! Hawk, get the Romanian consulate on the horn!!!

WE:  I haven't been this excited since I sliced Catherine's aorta!

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

Has anyone here read Dune?  On that planet if you have an excess of
the spice,melange, then you have purely blue eyes.  Could this be a
coincidence with the Doppelgangers eyes?  Sorry, it's late.  I have a
few more questions...  In the Miss TP Pageant, didn't Audrey's speech
about saving anything of value sound like an appeal to the loyal TP
viewers?  With the legend of King Arthur brought into it could Laura
or Annie or even Caroline be some kind of temptation for the magicians
of the real world like WE and Daley-Poo?  Sort of like the Lady of the
Lake and Merlyn?  :Nimue

Please excuse my friend, she has seen too many
episodes of Star Trek.  I want to know if there is any definite news
on the future of TP?  And is there any way to send Lynch "persuasive"
messages that would encourage him to wrap up just a few of the loose
ends?    :Nature Girl

Is there any connection between Bobby Briggs and Mike, and BOB and
MIKE-the one armed man?  I don't care what you think, but I liked the
finale.  So there.  Is Demosthenes still around???   :Erin

In article <53991@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
[lots 'o map stuff deleted]
> >Hee hee... just had a thought... I think if you assumed that the petroglyph
> >map was reversed left-to-right, then you might be able to place the
> >circle of trees off to the east (your posting kept saying west when I think
> >you really meant east), and better help the alignment of the mountains and
> >the falls.  So either the artist hired to inscribe the original petroglyph
> >reversed a transparency somewhere along the line, or the Lodge members
> >who drew it did so on the "back" of the rock (from the other side of the
> >plane between mystical and physical dimensions).  :-) :-) :-)
> >
I think I did mean West in that last posting-- sorry.

Reversing the map does seem to work-- although I don't know why 
WE didn't need to reverse it.  In fact, if you look at the map in the
access guide, it happens to be in the same position as the town map
on the back cover so that it's easy to see where things line up.

Things are a little bit off, but Glastonberry is where it should be as
are the falls (#2) and the fire symbol (packard mill #4).  The crab
thing, whatever that is, is now located in Old Unguin's Field.  The two
mountains with swirls more closely line up with Blue Pine Mt. and an
unnamed mountain.  The circular area in between also lines up with Pearl
Lakes.  The weird line at the top with a big wavy line above it, also
corresponds with a river leading to Pearl Lakes.  Not that this means
anything-- but I thought it was interesting.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Jun14.002328.11986@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >Nothing official, but I remember Kimmy Robertson (Lucy) on the Letterman
> >at the beginning of the FIRST big hiatus (pre 2017).  That puts it around
> >January, I believe.  And at that time she was discussing some of the
> >up-coming final six shows, including the Miss TP Contest.  Again, nothing
> >concrete, but obviously the stuff was laid out along time ago, and I
> >doubt they would change the story line on the chance that it might
> >not get picked up.

Just to add to this-- I remember that Letterman show and Kimmy not only
talked about upcoming shows but also with some detail.  She mentioned
a dance she had to do for the contest and some other stuff making it
pretty clear that the shows through at least the 1st hour of 6/10 had
already been completed.  By the way, she also said that she hoped she
would lose the baby because she didn't want to be wearing a pillow
forever.  (just FYI)

Rocky Giovinazzo

In <91163.235206KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> >  And what about that bank explosion?  The vault is not in the basement, but on
> >the ground floor, as another poster proves by the fact that the glasses fly out
> > the window.  Andrew had better be dead, or the show will lose a lot of credibi
> >lity.  Pete is either dead or not at all well.  Audrey may not be that badly of
> >f!  He was handcuffed to the grille, and would have been saved from being throw
> >n against solid objects!  The glasses, I think, are Andrew's so the blast did
> >not necessarily kill the bank manager, as others have supposed.

Look again.  Andrew didn't bring any glasses into the bank.  They are
definitely Dell's.

sj

In article <machala.676740741@hcmv2> machala@hcmv2.ti.com (Chuck Machala ) writes:

>>> >>>  (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>>> >>>  ----------------------------
>>> >>>Although my dictionary doesn't have define doppleganger, my understanding of 
>>> >>>the definition of a doppleganger was a creature/being that could change its 
>>> >>>shape.  For example, it could make itself have the face and body of any other
>>> >>>creature.  

>> >> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>> >> -----------------------------------------------------
>> >>No, a doppel-ganger is simply a double (a double-goer, literally).
>> >>Your doppelganger is a creature/person who looks exactly like you.

 [part 1]
> >I dusted of my AD&D Monster Manual last night to see if dopplegangers
> >were part of the ethereal or material plane. A doppleganger, according
> >to AD&D is simply a creature that can change shape into any humanoid
>from 4` to 8' tall (interesting there is a midget and a giant!). They
> >take the form of a human and then try to do away with him to replace
> >him. There is only a 10% chance of others discovering that it is not the
> >real person. There is no connection of dopplegangers with the ethereal
> >or astral planes, they are simply creatures; 
 [part 2]
> >hence, I theorize that
> >these are aliens, the black lodge is their spaceship (don't forget
> >Briggs and the connection with project bluebook). These guys are similar
> >to "Predators". Of course, I'm probably wrong. I can't explain why there
> >is a white and black lodge. Flame away.

I have to admit that, after thinking about it, this AD&D definition
is where I first learned of dopplegangers 11 years ago and is probably
why I thought of them as shape-changers.  However, I disagree with the
2nd part-- the aliens thing is too discontinuous.  

Anyway, my original thoughts about the dopplegangers being shape
changers was that each of the glazed-eyed guys we see are not
all individual entities but rather some have "shape-changed" from
creatures we saw earlier.  Specifically, the first screaming Laura 
flashes to a WE face.  Later, we find Annie switching to Caroline and
then to WE (again).  All of the glazed-eyed people could have been just
one doppleganger.  (After all, the glazed-eyed LMFAP said,
"Doppleganger," not "Dopplegangers."  :-)   )

Rocky Giovinazzo

On Thursday, 13 Jun 1991, I (DXH107@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:

> >   As I looked back on it just recently, I really don't know if
> >it was or wasn't my imagination.  Here's what I originally saw/heard.
> >
> >  1) When Coop bashed his head into the mirror, I thought I had
> >      caught a glimpse of Laura Palmer's face/hair in the mirror.
> >  2) ... I also heard LP's voice scream at the impact.
> >
> >   Now pay CLOSE ATTENTION!!!  I do not want to be misquoted out of
> >context!                          ( === )
> >   In reality, I did NOT see LP's face/hair in the mirror in that first
> >quick glimpse      ( === )
> >before the impact.  I did double-check that.
> >   However, the hair color to LP's and BoB's is quite similar, and I
> >listened again and again to see if it was indeed LP screaming at the
> >impact of Coop's forehead into the mirror.  I still cannot tell.
> >
> >   This is about as subtle a hint as you can get, guys!  If it is a
> >scream, then Lynch is possibly making a STRONG connection between LP
> >and BoB...  stronger than we are making, at least.  My only suggestion
> >is that as there are many things out there which are "one and the same,"
> >including the Giant and his double (disputed, I prefer butler), AND
 ( I tend to go for the GMFAP/butler theory )
> >the doppleganger BoB/Laura.  She never was, after all, in any way pure.
> >And "one and the same" should NOT necessarily be taken SO @#%:damn
> >literally!!!  It could be a mere inference to state of mind, or a matter
> >of LP being a part of BoB's amalgamation of souls.
> >
> >  These are cursory ideas, and NOT theories. If you have any substantial
> >insights to reply to this in more than two sentences (i.e. no "Gee, I
> >heard the scream, too." -- end sig), then PLEASE send me your thoughts,
 ( or at least post something )
> >as I don't feel like fishing through the many ridiculous replies to get
> >to the equally many intelligent replies.

Doesn't ANYONE have ANYTHING intelligent to say about this?
-- Dave

=========================================================================
David J. Hrencecin   || "Of course I'm mad!  If I weren't MAD, I
 - "The name used to ||    would've gone INSANE long ago !!! "
  have no vowels!" - ||                             -- Brother Theodore

Does anyone have a copy of Bob's "Fire, Walk With Me" poem ?

Apologies if this request has been posted many times before.

Replies either by this newsgroup or email please.

Thanks

Ps  Is it true that episode no 1 was the only one ever in which James Hurley
    actually attended school ?

--
                            : "Either I'm a pig with the proportionate strength
Steve A. Blissett           :  and agility of a spider or I'm a spider with the
Coventry Polytechnic        :  limitations of a pig " --  Peter Porker
United Kingdom              :                             Spider Ham

Things to do while procrastinating at work:  I looked up
doppleganger in the Britannica, where it said (this is from a fried
cortex) a doppleganger (which means "double goer") is a spiritual double
that all humans and animals have.  It is not a ghost, but an "apparition"
or a "wraith".  And if you happen to _see_ your doppleganger, it means
your death is imminent.  The moment good Coop turned around in the hallway
and made eye contact with bad Coop was a moment of significance.

By the way, I am still amazed at how many posters still seem to believe
that Annie is alive--she didn't make it, really! Rewatch the sequence when
Truman tells a newly awakened Cooper about her--he looks knowingly at
Doc H., and the Doc looks down.

Last thought--re: David Lynch's comments on the movie, called "Fire Walk
With Me".  If it really centers around the Theresa Banks murder and
doesn't touch the current story line, I will send his doppleganger after
him forthwith.

Ilana Reisner

In article <6099@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (Chris Tavares) writes:
> >In article <14953@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, alan@ikkyu.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan Marr, Animation) writes:
>> >> Regarding Audrey and Pete:  Audrey was some distance away from the
>> >> blast which took place in a very large room.  Furthermore, the bomb
>> >> appeared to be simple explosive and not a pipe bomb or something more
>> >> deadly.  The blast was undoubtedly channeled by the shape of the safety
>> >> deposit box so that Packard got it full force in the head.  That would
>> >> have absorbed a lot of the energy and Pete off to the right was
>> >> probably well shielded by the door of the box.
> >
> >As Marge Simpson would say, "HmmmmmmmmmmMM!"  Somebody's glasses blew out the door
> >of the bank, or out a window.  If they were the old banker's glasses it must have
> >been some blast, since he was nowhere near the bomb.  If they were Andrew's, they
> >would have had to blow around a corner, out the vault door, and then outside, again
> >making it quite some blast.  I doubt Andrew's bulk would be effective at shielding
> >something like that.
> >-- 

Why does everyone assume that Pete, Audrey and Thomas et al. didn't have
time to get out of the bank?  I would think that the "flying glasses"
would hint that maybe they made it far enough out of the bank for the
ensuing blast to knock Thomas down and send his glasses flying.  After
all, we DIDN'T see them blown to bits, what we saw was Thomas
opening the safe deposit box, the FUSE of the bomb igniting, and the
cut to the exploding windows and then the flying glasses.

Of course you might have guessed that Audrey is my favorite character
and I'd probably believe just about anything Mr. Lynch cares to feed
me to get Audrey off the "deceased" list.

Margaret
Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu

In article <ocJv5Jy00WBKM1vF8s@andrew.cmu.edu> sb2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan Lynn Bowser) writes:
>From the Academic American Encyclopedia [machine-readable data file]:
> >
> >[Dictionary/encyclopedia definition of doppleganger deleted] 
> >
> > ---SueBee)

Also, in classic D&D, a doppleganger is an anthropomorphic creature that
kills and then assumes the identity of a party member in order to continue
to kill and assume the identity of other party members.

Margaret

Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu

Can someone please mail me the last TP quotes list.  The whole thing (including 
as many episodes as possible) would be great!

Thanks,
Steve

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In article <1991Jun14.010451.51413@gmuvax.gmu.edu> dbalcom@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
> >Was it just me, or did the whole Windham Earle thing seem to run into
> >a giant brick wall, or more specifically, into Bob?  As much of an insipid
> >overdone loser as he was, I was expecting a touch more from the ole
> >Earlster.  Instead he's sucked into Bob like lint to a dustbuster.
> >Bummer.  I was hoping for something--well, I don't know--more.  Just more.

Who's to say that the entire BL sequence WASN'T due to WE?  Didn't he say
that "last time I took him almost to the edge and this time I'm going to
take him over it"?  Doesn't the BL FEED off people fantasies?

I could see where the entire sequence of events inside the BL and outside
the BL could be WE's doing.  If the BL is simply a tool enabling WE to
"read" Cooper when Cooper enters, then all of the out-of-sequence events
in the real world and all the weirdness in the BL could simply be WE's
attempt to drive Coop over the edge, after all, who would Coop be more
concerned about, WE or Bob?  Also, by having Bob "take WE's soul", that
would CERTAINLY concern Coop more than if he just had Annie and WE to
worry about.

Margaret



Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu

In article <10340028@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:
> >Someone commented that it was easy to get into the BL.  Not true.  Coop
> >got in through his love for Annie. WE got in by using Annie's fear.
> >As Briggs said, "fear and love open the door".

I think it would be more likely that fear opens the door to the BL and
love opens the one to the white.  Perhaps, Annie's fear OF WE opened
the door and Cooper's fear FOR Annie opened the door.

Margaret



Margaret E. H. Hudacko
margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu

In the communique <cFFN42w163w@zitt> the entity joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) declared:
> >mihaych@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Mihaychuk) writes:
> >
>> >> In my book:
>> >>  BOB==>Dancing Leland==>LMFAP==>Spirtual midget==>EEE-vil demon
> >                                  ^^^^^^^^
>> >>  Droolcup==>The Giant==>Spritual giant==>Good sprit/angel
> >                          ^^^^^^^^
> >"You're in a maze of tiny typos, all different."
> >
> >The truly Spiritual are neutral; to be simply good or simply evil,
> >you must pluck out one of your "i"s.
> >
> >:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
> >
> >It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
> >Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Mi deer mizter Zit, know amownt of smilee faces are gowing to
safe yoo from my wrath re: yor malishus speling flame.

In my book:

Joe Zitt ==>Anal, but brilliantly poetic spelling flame artist
          ==>Spiritual midget
             ==>EEE-vil demon (not daemon, net-heads)
I will restrain myself and refrain from any low-brow pokes
about your incorrect spelling of "unsightly teenage blemish"
as "Zitt". Oops, guess I must work on my powers of restraint.

We don't need no stinking smiley faces! ;^' :-( ;^' :-( ;^' :-( 
-- James Mihaychuk,Physics,U of Manitoba- "But... this one goes to eleven!"

All during the scenes in the Lodge, my sister and I were
laughing hysterically. (She is the Typhoid Mary of laughter, but
that's another story.) Her running gag as Cooper wove from
room to room was "And 2 hard boiled eggs...." And Laura Palmer
looked like Mr. Coffee Nerves. An unintentionally funny ending.

I've been net-free for 2 weeks, but the general drift of the posts
that I read before hitting "c" to catch up was generally elegaic.
I disagree. TV eats the soul. Let all involved go back to media
where thought and preparation count. R.I.P.
-- Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> play golf by phone!

This is being reposted, since the first post had problems.


WARNING...

SPOILERS may be found here, for those who a) haven't read the Twin Peaks Access
Guide, and more importantly b) haven't seen the final episode.

ADDITIONAL WARNING...

This is a first draft.  Please note any continuity glitches so I can correct
them.






And now...

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                                ^ Twin Peaks ^
                               ^ Passion Play ^

                                      by
                                 Chris Foster

                                  Chapter I

"Diane, April first, ten-sixteen a.m..  I am driving a pea-green rental car,
1990 sedan, with no air-conditioning and an A.M. radio.  If this car were a
cup of coffee, well, then it would probably be the one I drank on the plane
into Seattle.  Once again I am en route to the pleasant lumber town of Twin
Peaks.  Ah, Diane, you have got to come down here and see these trees.  Nothing
I have seen or known beats the awesome sight of Douglas Firs reaching into the
clear blue sky.  Man.  While I am recording this, I imagine you have opened
your present and seen your gift, a Canon EX-210 digital camera and playback
unit.  I'm sorry I wasn't there to present it personally, but I guess this will
have to do.  Ahem.  'Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you; Happy
Birthday, dear Diane, Happy Birthday to you.'  What can I say, sometimes the
most cliched expressions of affection are the best ones.  If you have any
trouble installing the playback unit, Denise can help; she's a mean man with a
screwdriver.  Though I know you'll have no problem.  As you have by no doubt
noticed, the camera puts pictures both on paper, and on disks, which I will be
sending to you regularly with my tapes.  Though I know that nothing can replace
actually being here, hopefully with the aid of modern technology I can bring
you closer to the experience.  While in town I shall endeavor to photograph
some of the people, places and things that, on my last visit, made memorable my
time in Twin Peaks.  Beginning with these trees."

Trees and trucks sped past Dale B. Cooper's windows as he put down his tape
recorder atop the car's dashboard and reached into the back seat, pulling out a
compact black camera.  It was an excellent match for the recorder, covered with
similar plastic, shaped by similar curves, and having a red shutter button to
match the red 'record' button on the tape machine.  Dale held both the camera
and the green steering wheel with his right hand, while opening the side window
with his left.  Then he switched hands on the wheel and twisted around under his
seat belt, holding up the camera to his face and out the window, maintaining
some control of the car.  Through the viewfinder, the trees were a digitized
blur, appearing to move somewhat slower if he aimed ahead or behind the car,
instead of straight out beside him.  He slowly looked back and forth, framing
the shot, while his Dodge Reliant swerved, bounced and careened itself down the
highway.  Dale took no notice of this until a maroon-cabbed logging truck,
apparently the size of Spokane, rushed through the viewfinder, blocking the
shot, accompanied by the menacing bellow of its airhorn.  He quickly squeezed
the trigger and returned within the car, straightening himself in his seat
as well as the car on the road, steering out of the oncoming traffic.  He
pulled out the instant picture from the camera, placing the machine on the seat
beside him.  He looked briefly at the picture, not yet developed, a shiny black
space surrounded by a white frame.  He returned his eyes to the road, closed
the window, stuck the picture on the dash and picked up his tape recorder, his
forehead slightly furrowed.

"Diane, I hope this first picture was worth it, considering the danger I faced
in taking it.  I hope, for posterity's sake, that it won't be just a
green blur, or a snapshot of the end of a logging truck; those would be bad
omens for my newfound hobby.  As I drive I note, with some discomfort, an
increase in the number of potholes in the road since my last visit two years
ago.  I guess that Washington is suffering from a lack of funds, but what state
isn't these days.  In the more immediate environment, in the region of my
bladder to be specific, the increased bumpiness of the ride means I'll need to
make a pit stop a bit earlier than expected.  I was going to wait for lunch
until I got into town, but the Lamplighter Inn is just a few miles up the road,
and an airline's idea of breakfast does not define proper nourishment in any
case.  I'll bet you though that my 1992 dollars won't buy me as much ham,
pancakes, and coffee as they did in 1990.  But what'll you do?

"Higher cost of living aside, it'll be a pleasure to return to Twin Peaks. 
I've been negligent in my correspondence with Harry, and a personal visit is
the only way to make up for that.  That I was called as a member of the
Bookhouse Boys may imply some portent to why Harry called me here, but that in
no way affects the pleasure this trip will surely bring me.  Anyway, I've
missed this place.  No other place, aside from my hometown, has felt as much
like home.  And now Gordon will stop pestering me about taking some vacation
time.  Is it just me, Diane, or does Gordon seem awfully concerned about my
well-being?  By the way, tell Albert I said thanks for the meditation book, but
I am still having trouble attaining the proper state of relaxation.  I know I
won't have that problem here."

Dale drove on in silence, taking in the majesty of the forest, keeping the car
within its lane.  The blue sky ahead of him held small white clouds, drifting
towards the horizon from the north.  He watched them.

"Diane, in the clouds above me I see a small bag of marbles, a coffee-cup saucer
and a Boston-cream-filled doughnut; two of these associations indicate I should
be ordering the Lumberjack's special when I reach the Lamplighter, instead of
my regular ham and pancakes.  

"April Fool's Day.  Today I'll see how it gets celebrated in Twin Peaks. 
Perhaps I'll even be the victim of an April Fool's prank.  Man, I remember the
worst prank I was ever the patsy for, back when I was in high school.  It was
in Civics class; Sticky Roget told me that J. Edgar Hoover was going to speak
for the whole school that afternoon.  I feigned a need to urinate, a lie I
still sometimes feel guilty about, exited the class and ran home to change.  I
returned seventeen minutes later, in my black suit and tie, to the racous
laughter of Sticky and several of his friends.  I actually cried that night.
Can you believe that?

"Which somehow reminds me -- tonight I must bring flowers to Audrey's grave."

Though looking straight out at the road, the photograph on the dash caught his
attention.  He picked up the picture and looked at it.  It was the worst of
omens; a wash of green with a Great Fir log and a truck bumper jutting out of
the left-hand side of the frame.  Cooper grimaced.

"This does not speak well of --"

Slowly, like thick oil sliding down metal, the end of the logging truck moved
off into the frame, gone.  Then, the woods seemed to slow from the image of
blurriness, collecting themselves into still-standing trees as Dale watched. 
An owl flew out from within the tree in the middle of the picture, slowly
approaching and engulfing the space of the frame.  A voice whispered: 
"....dddaaallleee...."  Dale's hand struck and broke through  the side window,
sending picture into the air and recorder skittling across the highway into a
ditch.

Slowly, shaking, Dale pulled the car into the emergency lane and turned on his
hazard lights, parking.  He got out of the car, left hand cupping his other,
bleeding, hand, and stood by the edge of the road, waiting for the traffic to
ease, so he could reclaim his belongings.


                             ^ End of part One ^

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Next time:
Party preparedness with Andy and Lucy - One Deputy and a Baby - Truman
struggling with sheriff's duties - and Dick plays a trick


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Christopher J. Foster cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu or cfoster@wesleyan.bitnet
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djb@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (David Brightbill) writes:

> >Early friday morning, a young man broke the glass out of one of the 
> >ground floor doors of the Florida State Capital.  Much of my information
> >is hearsay but the story seems to be that he baricaded himself in the
> >Sergant at arms office and sent out demands on the fax machine.  Among 
> >other demands, he is said to have asked for liquor, LSD, chinese food and
> >600 jelly donuts.  Tallahassee's finest had the place surrounded with all
 ^^^ 

not 600; ---  666 jelly donuts.  That's what made it so GREAT!
              ^^^

> >sorts of high powered weaponary, swat teams and the bomb robot.  The man
> >gave up to the cops when they faked meeting his demand of a national network
> >news story on his concerns.  He said that he was mad that folks didn't have
> >food to eat and places to stay.  When he surrendured, he was smoking a cigar
> >and drinking whiskey.  At last report, there was no word on the fate of teh
> >600 jelly donuts.  


-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

In article <8CF440B@cs.swarthmore.edu>, plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:
>> >> 3.  The indian war whoop followed by "Hallelujah!" indicates to me that 
>> >> Hawk is to be one of the rescuers of Cooper, eventually, and that Dale 
>> >> says "Hallelujah!" after he is saved.

When I heard Senor Droolcup make the "whoop! whoop!" indian noise, one of the
tumblers in my mind slammed into place.

Is he the same man who played the "stereotypically-mental-defective
Western-type" in John Ford's _The Searchers?_

Chris
(going to check the Actor's Other Roles list, if there is one)

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Christopher J. Foster cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu or cfoster@wesleyan.bitnet
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Supposing there are two separates ways for BOB to cause damage in our
world: possession and dopplegangers.  We know that in Leland's case Bob was
in Leland because sometimes the real Leland still shone through.  In this
case Leland's doppleganger in the BL (revealed by the spooky eyes) really
DIDN"T kill anyone.  We know there is a doppleganger of Cooper, what is not
entirely clear to me yet is whether the dopplegabger came out or whether
this is possession, like with Leland, and what such a difference in methods
might mean. 

And what about that drug the one armed man was using?

Laurel    stvan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1991Jun14.185025.24527@ablnc.att.com>, kimi@ablnc.att.com (Kimiye) writes:
> > Why does BOB injure Cooper by banging "their" head into the mirror?  

Typical madman act, to demonstrate to Cooper that HE controls that body, not Coop.
BOB doesn't care how the body is damaged -- it isn't "his"...
-- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...

In <1991Jun14.083651.26907@eng.umd.edu> buzzard@eng.umd.edu (Sean Barrett) writes:

> >Coop has taken his seat.
> >LM: When you see me again, it won't be me.
> >LMFAP gets up, rubs foot on floor as if to kill insect or
> >put out a cigarette; sits back down.
> >LM: This is the waiting room.
> >LM smiles.

.
.
.

> >LM: [pointing at Coop?] Wrong way.
> >Cooper leaves again, we see him walk right-to-left again from
> >same camera angle.  Reenters "second" room, but now he's at
> >position D in it.
> >LMFAP laughs.


Nobody has mentioned that the next time we see the MFAP after he says
"when you see me again, it won't be me" is when he says "Wrong way",
not when we see his Dopple.  Any significance?

sj

In article <BDJL42w163w@tweekco.UUCP>, tweek@tweekco.UUCP (Michael D. Maxfield) writes:
> > The phrase "How's Annie?" is repeated so much in the end of the
> > movie Finale that I feel that there may be some meaning hidden
> > in it.
> > 
> > I loaded up the phrase in my mind, and then played it backwards.
> > You would never guess what came out..."In A While".
> > 
> > Ok, so it comes out "Ina Wah", but if you say it really fast, it
> > sounds like "In A While."   Is Lynch trying to tell us to wait a
> > while, and Peaks will be back?  

While we're on the subject:  "Fire walk with me" (especially without the punctuation
and following on the heels of "Wow Bob Wow") fairly screms to be played backward.
Has anyone does this?  Does it sound like anything meaningful?
-- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --Totally bereft of the power to backsample OR cdt@vos.stratus.com by mental effort alone...

I don't know if anybody noticed, but time seemed to be going BACKWARDS in
the Red Room. When the characters spoke, for example, their words appeared
in captions on the screen. I've seen people speaking "backwards" on other
TV shows (some people did it on "America's Funniest People"). What they do
is videotape somebody actually pronouncing words backwards; then when the tape
is played in reverse, they appear to be talking "forward," although their
speech naturally looks and sounds a bit weird. This is EXACTLY what the
various characters, WITHOUT exception, were doing in the Red Room! Read on:

When Windom Earle jabbed Coop with that thing (looked like a small knife
to me), Coop fell to the floor. Then you saw the exact same "stabbing" scene
in REVERSE. Coop "fell upwards" into the knife. Notice this happen right
AFTER (or was it "before"?) Coop was walking around bleeding in the exact
same spot where Earle stabbed him!

Perhaps this "stabbing" incident, since it happened twice, once forward, then
backwards (or was it backwards, then forward?) was some point where the
time continuum surned around went the other way. Past became future and future
became past, or....or....oh, God help me.....I'm really confused here......

Any comments on this?

Ron Morgan
osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

In article <CMM.0.90.2.676789023.tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas F Van Horne) writes:
> >
> >Forgive me if this is contradicted by canon (I haven't read the
> >autobiography)
> >I seem to recall that WE was a good man who taught Coop 
> >everything about being an FBI agent. And then something happened.
> >And he became evil and insane. ...
> >Tom Van Horne

I remember a point in the tv show when Cooper said that about WE but
the autobiography a paints a different picture. I don't know why.
In the autobiography WE seems malevolent from the very first.
 
a.h.

Did anyone notice that as the Major was
escaping from the cabin in the woods, his
feet were chained together...but when they
showed him next climbing up the hill, his
feet were not chained?

pjc

Hi,

This may already have been mentioned, but in the final episode of The Prisoner,
"Fall Out", the hero (#6) meet his own evil doppleganger (#1).

Scott
sminkin@bbn.com

In article <952.28561906@inland.com> pasmith@inland.com writes:
> >In article <1991Jun11.172628.5331@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >
>> >>   As for Coop's present situation.  The LMFAP did say "doppleganger"
>> >> before WE, BOB and the evil Coop appeared.  My feeling is that Dale
>> >> is trapped in the Black Lodge, while his doppleganger is free to
>> >> roam the material plane.  I think it will be up to the Major (and
>> >> Annie?) to rescue him.  (I also think Truman is not up to the task.)
>> >> 
      Truman would be sure to run into Josie.
> >
> >I agree that Coop is trapped in the Lodge and his doppleganger is roaming
> >the material world.  As for his rescue, I think that Albert is the likely
> >choice (with the Major's help).  If the way to overcome evil is through love,
> >Albert will be the one to do it.  Albert has said his philosophy of life
> >is based on love (remember the "...Sheriff Truman, I love you." scene?).


It would be interesting to see if Albert is as loving as he claims to
be.

In article <1991Jun13.135246.27860@eng.ufl.edu> statman@pilot.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:
> >In article <9106111945.AA09997@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> ST601287@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mark Hessman) writes:
>> >>
>> >>
Why did the major not go back for Leo?
Perhaps he is just an evil doppleganger?
Perhaps the real major got lost in the lodges when he was drugged?

>> >>     All throughout the finale, Cooper was so damn passive. ... 
...  Coop was even
>> >>passive inside the Lodge.  I expected at least something from the man who
>> >>was on top of everything not so long ago.  The way things were, he was almost
>> >>a bit player... it was Windom who made everything happen; Coop was just
>> >>following and watching.
 
Perhps it is just his FBI sigle mindedness and straightness. Maybe he just 
assumed (based on watching the Exorcist perhaps) that the proper thing was
simply to offer his soul in exchange for Annie's.  Perhaps he went in 
with a singlesness of mind and only one plan (no backup plan). So when BOB
told him that the game was not played that way, Cooper began to get
confused. Perhaps with some one as straight-arrow as Cooper, confusion
is the ultimate nighmare.
>> >>
a.h.

More about the "backwardness" of the final scenes:

Notice how when Laura Palmer first appears, she snaps her fingers "backwards."

If you watch closely, you can also tell by the way people move their weight,
hands, etc. when they sit down or stand up that it is all going backwards.
There are numerous clues such as this throughout that final scene, but the
"forward/backward stabbing" and the "backward fingersnap" are *obviously*
done that way; there's no attempt to hide them.

I did notice that when Coop speaks, his voice is normal.

One thing that's a little curious, for those who are into details of
realism, is that if it really *were* going backwards, the voices wouldn't
be intellible at all. That is the words wouldn't be going forwards.

I'm a bit intriqued by this. It's all done too obviously to just be "for
effect," but I can't quite figure out how it would weave into the plot and
what it all really means, if anything.......excuse me, I'm straining my
brain here....(-8

Ron Morgan
osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:


<  This may be picking at nits, grasping at straws, etc. however...

<  I was watching my video tape of the final episode yesterday w/ the
<possibility in mind that Catherine planted the bomb.  I watched her
<place the key in the cake saver for "safe keeping."  Later when
<Andrew went to switch keys, I noticed that the key and key tag were
<arranged differently.  This seemed to indicate to me that catherine
<had already taken the key and later returned it.

Incidentally, the substituted key is yet another instance of "twin"
objects or people in Twin Peaks, to go along with the twin diaries, twin
cousins, etc.

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov

From article <6514@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, by czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob):

>
> Great news for David Lynch and Twin Peaks Fans!!!!
>
> David Lynch called me on the telephone on Friday, and he relayed to me that
> a Twin Peaks movie WILL BE his NEXT project. (whether or not he is working
> on Ronnie Rocket now is something that I don't know.)
>
> The movie will cover the Theresa Banks murder and the final days of
> Laura Palmer. The title will be 'Fire Walk With Me.'
>
> He did not tell me this in confidence, so I am sure that it is not a secret.
> :^)

If it was a secret before, it sure isn't now! ;-)

In article <1991Jun13.221800.19634@edsr.eds.com> jamii@edsr.eds.com (Jamii K. Corley) writes:
> >
> > I had an odd reaction to the last hour of the movie and wondered if anyone
> >else had a similar feeling. I felt like I'd dreamt the entire thing before.
> >I think alot of this was set up by Lynch in repeating short pieces of dialog
> >and using similar sets and situations. Anyone else have that reaction?
> >
> >
It felt more like a nighmare or anxiety dream to me than an epic confrontation
between good and evil. It did not seem profound enough. It was more like
a free association or shallow dip into Cooper's mind.
It just seemed dreamy not heavy.

In article <2805@calmasd.Prime.COM> jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun11.175006.25864@fcom.cc.utah.edu> rcapener@cc.utah.edu writes:
> >When Cooper says something like "we have to look at the ephemeris"
> >the close-up show that follows is that of some Mickey Mouse planetary
> >drawing instead of the real ephemeris: a table of numbers.  I though
> >that was silly.
> >
Yah. That was dumb.  But an actual ephemeris is not very visually interesting
for tv.

In article <BDJL42w163w@tweekco.UUCP> tweek@tweekco.UUCP (Michael D. Maxfield) writes:

   The phrase "How's Annie?" is repeated so much in the end of the
   movie Finale that I feel that there may be some meaning hidden
   in it.

   I loaded up the phrase in my mind, and then played it backwards.
   You would never guess what came out..."In A While".

Heh.  If you REALLY want to reach, then say that playing it backwards makes
it sound like "Meanwhile."  This is what Laura was saying to Coop.  Perhaps
this is some impossible form of foreshadowing!  Perhaps I've get a spare
minute while compiling my code!
--
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After reading some of this group's comments, my associative juices flowed
and something that bugged me at first sort of makes sense now. That some-
thing was the fact (as noted elsewhere) that Bobby gets knocked on the
head with a log and Mike (later) appears hurt from an accident with a tree,
yet Bobby is fine. Now at the beginning of the show, Mike and Bobby were
the best of chums, almost halves of one unit, although I'd resist trying to
assign one evil v. good qualities. In the midst of all this doubling,
could the log-injury sustained by Bobby (inflicted by the WE/log-lady double)
have migrated over to Mike? Could the scene at the *double*-R be the
sugar-coated double of what was actually happening "the morning after"?
Could reality and time around TP become skewed due to the goings on in the
Black Lodge? Thoughts to ponder, perhaps not to answer.

Also: Has anyone considered that the spirit of the One-Armed Man now
resides in Ben? (He wants to do SO MANY GOOD DEEDS.) Could the tumultuous
forces at work have caused Donna's (apparent) father to brain him and
thus put him on the defense? Could the threat to Leo really be he's
scared to death of spiders? Heckuva lotta questions...

eric@npri.com -- OR -- ...uunet!uupsi!npri6!eric 
Eric C. Williams/ NPRI/ Alexandria, VA/(703) 683-9090
"Don't even try to figure this out unless you have to." -Xlib Prog. Manual

Can some kind soule PLEASE give me an address for COOP? My TP freak
friend is bugging the h*ll out of me. And I would like to contact them
too.
Thanks!

James Britt
james@panix.com

Okay people, I've just heard from another newsgroup that David Lynch has 
confirmed by phone that his next project is  going to be a Twin-peaks film,
and it's going to be called...

^L


FIRE WALK WITH ME...




Lynch says, "It's gonna be cool"

Already I can't wait!


Tim Cooke.
hs0tc@uk.ac.bath.gdt

> >While we're on the subject:  "Fire walk with me" (especially without the punctua
> >tion
> >and following on the heels of "Wow Bob Wow") fairly screms to be played backward
> >Has anyone does this?  Does it sound like anything meaningful?

I hope I'm not pointing out the obvious, but "wow bob wow" sounds the same,
played either forward OR backwards.....

"Fire walk with me" comes out like, "eem thiwoo kaw errife."

I don't think it means anything.

Ron Morgan
osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

Some thoughts:
 
What if the normal world, the white lodge and the black lodge
all exist at the same place on different wavelengths (so to speak).
I think that the zig zag pattern under Cooper's feet indicates that
while he is inside he is "on a different wavelength" from his
companions, Truman and Andy.
 
Ghosts may exist on this astral plane, this psychic wavelength - the
same wavelength that Laura's mother can pick up.  Ghosts could be
nothing more than lasting psychic impressions left from very powerful
experiences. The moment of Laura's death was a very powerful and
intense moment so if it is possible for a feeling to "linger in the
air" after Laura's death, that screaming could go on and on.
Similarily Lelland's denial of his obvious guilt "leaves a lasting
impression".  Perhaps the visions of Laura and Lelland that
Cooper encountered on the psychic wavelength were nothing more
than that kind of lingering echo.
 
My favourite line in the show was "Wow Bob Wow." Because it is the same
backwards and forwards and because it could mean two things. It could just
be the dwarf expressing admiration for Bob's growing powers or it could
be a hint that Bob is creating the entire illusion that Cooper believes 
he is experiencing.  If Bob is creating the coffee itself then if his
powers wobble for a minute, if his hand is not steady, he could set up a
"wow" and flutter in his illusion.
 
Bob seems to be the devil or head demon in charge of the entire Black
Lodge.
 
a.h.

Hello all, I recieved a complete first draft of the pilot (entitled Northwest
passage) and episodes #001 and #002 as a gift.  They were apparently bought in 
Los Angeles at some shadey store that sells this kind of thing.  They are not
originals, but they are alleged to be xeroxs of the originals.  At any rate, 
they follow what we have seen on TV with a few minor exceptions except for this
scene which occurs just before the dream sequence.  You will recall that the
interrogation of the one-armed man in which he identifies the man in Mrs. 
Palmers vision as BOB originaly takes place at the Police Station (I think), 
here it takes place at the hospital.  

A = Andy Brennen
OA = one-armed man (Mike)  
T = Truman     
Coop, C = Coop
Bob = Bob
The things in brackets [] are mine


A stands in the doorway.  OA stands in the shadows of the room.  C and T
carrying two police sketches, join A

A: He's unarmed [get it?].  He wants to see you and he wants to see you
   in this particular room.

C and T turn towards the man

OA: Don't turn on the overheads.  The flourescents don't work.  I think
    a transformer's bad.

C:  We know that

OA:  Yes wasn't Laura Palmer here earlier?  "Through the darkness of 
     futures past, the magician longs to see, one chance out between
     two worlds ... fire, walk with me"... We lived among the people.
     I think you say, convenience store.  We lived above it.  I mean
     it like it is, like it sounds ... my name is Mike.  His name is
     Bob.

C:  You were in an elevator here.

OA: I was looking for Bob.  He sometimes works among the infirm, the
    injured of the species.  I was watching, Mr. Cooper, for over a 
    year.  Waiting for Bob to come out again.  I've known of your
    interests in the results of his endevours... I too have been
    touched by the devilish one.  Tattoo on the left shoulder... oh
    but when I saw the face of God, I was changed.  I took the entire 
    arm off.

T and C look at each other.

T: We'd like to shoe [sic] you a police sketch of Bob, for verification.

OA: Of course
    (Truman holds up a Bogus sketch)
No, no that's not Bob.
(Truman holds up the correct sketch)
That is Bob.

T: (to coop) That's the man Mrs. Palmer identified.

Coop: Where is Bob?

OA: He's here.  Right here. He's downstairs, in the basement

CUT TO INT. HOSPITAL BASEMENT BOILER ROOM - NIGHT

Coop and T enter the basement, gun drawn.  KILLER BOB,  the frightening 
long-haired man, crouches over a circle of candles on the far side of the
room

Bob's hadn reaches in and sets down half of a heart necklace onto a 
pile of dirt in the center of the candles.

T and Coop advance.  Bob rises.

Bob: (strangely) Hello.  Welcome to the killer's lair.  Come down,
     I won't hurt you.  Come down ... is Mike with you?

Coop: No.

Bob: Oh I so much wanted to sing with him again.  Mike?  Mike can you
hear me?  "Heads up, Tails up, running to your scallyway/night falls,
morning calls, catch you with my Death Bag."

T: The letters.  What were the letters going to spell?

Bob: Robert.  That's my proper name.  Teresa's was a "t". 

Coop: That's right.

Behind Cooper and Truman. unseen by them, Mike is coming up behind them, a
gun in his hand.

Bob: You may think I've gone insane.  But I promise I will kill again!

OA: Ahh! Like Hell!

Mike runs up and fires his gun twice.  Bob goes down, mortally
wounded.  Mike clutches a pole and twists to the ground, in agon-
izing sympathetic pain.

OA: (Continued) Bob...Bob, it hurts something terrible...wait
...wait your turn, Bob...oh Bob...wait till you turn...

Mike dies.  T takes his gun away.  Coop looks over at the candles

Coop: Make a wish

A breeze blows out the candles...

A title card reads:  TWENTY-FIVE YEARS LATER

INT. RED-DRAPED ROOM - DAY

[now comes the dream, it is pretty much the same]

 
hope you enjoyed that, I will post any other discrepancies I come
across.


Gian Di Loreto (Univ. of Rochester)



T: The lettersD
D
T: to Coop
D

So pjc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (pamela.jean.culbreth) says:
> >
> >Did anyone notice that as the Major was
> >escaping from the cabin in the woods, his
> >feet were chained together...but when they
> >showed him next climbing up the hill, his
> >feet were not chained?

The warranty expired in between scenes.

In article <1991Jun17.201221.11476@nas.nasa.gov> howells@pioneer (John Howells) writes:

   brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:


   <  This may be picking at nits, grasping at straws, etc. however...

   <  I was watching my video tape of the final episode yesterday w/ the
   <possibility in mind that Catherine planted the bomb.  I watched her
   <place the key in the cake saver for "safe keeping."  Later when
   <Andrew went to switch keys, I noticed that the key and key tag were
   <arranged differently.  This seemed to indicate to me that catherine
   <had already taken the key and later returned it.

   Incidentally, the substituted key is yet another instance of "twin"
   objects or people in Twin Peaks, to go along with the twin diaries, twin
   cousins, etc.

When the key showed up inside the last box, I assumed it was the key
that Josie flashed at Ben to convince him that she had enough
information on him in that safe deposit box to cause him real
trouble--enough trouble that he gave her the check (supposedly from
the Bank of Tokyo) that the disguised Catherine had given him.  It
seemed logical to me that Thomas Eckhardt would have that key and
perhaps send it back to Twin Peaks.  Of course, Catherine has reasons
of her own for wanting to get back at Ben, and if she did plant the
bomb, then she presumably would have whatever it was that was
originally in the box.  But I agree with other people that it's
unlikely she would really try to kill her brother, who has seemed to
be the only character she really cares about.  I think Andrew also had
a hand in saving her from the fire.

Barb Miller

I have some questions bout non-finale-related TP news:

1. Is there any known relation between the following:

Craig MacLachlan (The Dead Man) ...and Kyle MacLachlan?

Mary Jo Deschanel (Eilleen Hayward) ...and TP director Caleb Deschanel?

Frank Silva (Killer Bob) ...and Native Indian actor Henry Silva?

Jill Engels (Trudy) ...and TP Executive Story Editor Robert Engels?

Gavan O'Herlihy (Mountie King) ...and Dan O'Herlihy (Andrew Packard)?

Ted Raimi (Heavy Metal Youth) ...and "Darkman" Director Sam Raimi?

I know that Warren Frost is Mark and Scott Frost's father, and that Eric 
Da Re is late actor Aldo and (TP Casting Director) Johanna Ray's son, and in
fact Da Re was assistant casting director on both Wild At Heart and TP (and 
was discovered when Lynch needed literally any body to stand in as Leo),
so it makes sense to me that at least _some_ of these connections are
not coincidental.

2. "Twin Peaks Behind The Scenes": Where can I get this? Who publishes it?
Is it available in Canada? If not, how can I order it?

3. Does anybody know the current status of the following Lynch 
 projects:

...A Koko Taylor album (produced by Lynch)?

...A second Julee Cruise album, in which Julee is pursued by a killer and
has to solve the crime before she is murdered?

...A duet with Julee Cruise and Chris Isaak?

...On The Air? What network is running this? I kind of hope it isn't Fox, 
because Fox is not as good with international distribution as ABC.

All of these have been rumoured for quite awhile. While not
totally TP items, I really wonder about them and want to get them as soon
as they're available.

4. I recently read here (in the TP frequently asked questions posting)
about a Miguel Ferrer-written series of comic books. Where van I get this?

Would like to know any answers, either through postings or by email.

Dave Platt
Winnipeg,
Manitoba,
Canada

In article <1991Jun18.003153.18831@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >What if the normal world, the white lodge and the black lodge
> >all exist at the same place on different wavelengths (so to speak).

> >Ghosts may exist on this astral plane, this psychic wavelength - the
> >same wavelength that Laura's mother can pick up.  Ghosts could be
> >nothing more than lasting psychic impressions left from very powerful
> >experiences. The moment of Laura's death was a very powerful and
> >intense moment so if it is possible for a feeling to "linger in the
> >air" after Laura's death, that screaming could go on and on.
> >Similarily Lelland's denial of his obvious guilt "leaves a lasting
> >impression".  Perhaps the visions of Laura and Lelland that
> >Cooper encountered on the psychic wavelength were nothing more
> >than that kind of lingering echo.

This kind of thinking makes a lot of sense out of the Giant's 
messages about, "...the question is, where have you gone?" suggesting
that the Giant's appearances are merely due to Cooper tuning in to some
plane that the Giant can exist on-- perhaps the Giant knows what Cooper
can most likely tune into and positions himself appropriately.

It also fits in with Donna and James talking about being able to feel
Laura's spirit -- as if they're able to barely "tune in" to Laura's
presence because of their closeness to her in our world.

Rocky Giovinazzo

margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu (Margaret Hudacko) writes:

> > Why does everyone assume that Pete, Audrey and Thomas et al. didn't have
> > time to get out of the bank?  I would think that the "flying glasses"
> > would hint that maybe they made it far enough out of the bank for the
> > ensuing blast to knock Thomas down and send his glasses flying.  After
> > all, we DIDN'T see them blown to bits, what we saw was Thomas
> > opening the safe deposit box, the FUSE of the bomb igniting, and the
> > cut to the exploding windows and then the flying glasses.

Well, Thomas probably couldn't run particularly fast, since he's been
dead for several episodes. However, it doesn't seem that Andrew would have
had much chance either. And Audrey would have had to undo her handcuffs --
unless she suddenly got Nadine's strength and took the door with her.

On another note, if the story continues from here... Pete and Audrey
would make interesting allies for Coop within the Lodge, if their souls
end up there.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:



> >Great news for David Lynch and Twin Peaks Fans!!!!

> >David Lynch called me  on the telephone on Friday, and he relayed to me that
> >a Twin Peaks movie WILL BE his NEXT project. (whether or not he is working
> >on Ronnie Rocket now is something that I don't know.)

> >The movie will cover the Theresa Banks murder and the final days of
> >Laura Palmer.  The title will be 'Fire Walk With Me.'  

> >He did not tell me this in confidence, so I am sure that it is not a secret.
> >:^)

> >He said, and I quote, 'It's gonna be cool.'

> >Bob 'BOB' Cappel

> >PS  I am sure that Kyle MacLachlan will be in it...if you remember correctly,
> >he investigated Theresa Banks murder. 

> >  
> >--
> >Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
> >aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||               fear...?" 
> >                                ||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
> >czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               is not enough...!"

Please excuse my ignorance, but may I ask just how you know Mr. Lynch?
Considering that he called you up, I mean....
Thanks

-- Gordon Hayes, MCIS, University of Washington gordonh@milton.u.washington.edu Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"

Well, these things are always open to interpretation, and evil characters
might lie about their identity, but...

In the original, classic dream sequence, after "Laura" (who the LMFAP has
said is really his cousin?) makes that comment about her arms bending back,
the LMFAP says:  "She's filled with secrets.  Where we're from the birds sing
a pretty song and there's always music in the air."

Note that he says "we", and the description of their home certainly sounds
more like the White Lodge than the Black Lodge.  I've always thought that
the LMFAP was more on the side of good than evil, if sides must be picked,
but, like the giant, he is a person and symbol of such power and perspective
that he understands the inextricable manner of their linking.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

saseph@holst.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes) asks:
> > Why the train car and not the woods themselves?
> >    For example, the tree where BOB had harmed Laura before,
> >    as described in the secret diary.

Its been a while since I read the diary now, but I seem to remember a
particular big tree being a place of safety for Laura, not a place where
she was brutalized...  Which is it?

ma2cs240@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Gian Di Loreto) writes:

> >Hello all, I recieved a complete first draft of the pilot (entitled Northwest
> >passage) and episodes #001 and #002 as a gift. ...
> >
> > [lots of stuff, including script excerpts, deleted]

I suspect a lot of folks noticed that these scenes were from the European
film version of TP.  Interesting that they showed up in a script puporting
to be an early version of TP (Northwest Passage being the original, working
title for TP).

I'm writing:

Fans of Kyle McLachlan (sorry if sp is wrong) can happily avoid the current
episode of "Tales from the Crypt" on HBO.  Kyle is the lead character, but
is forced to speak BAD comic book dialog in a pretty silly story.  (Don't
misinterpret - I love comics, and read quite a few, but there are good comics
and there are bad comics, and then there's this stuff.)

Kyle plays an escaped convict - a multiple murderer - who has some problems
with carrying some dead weight through a nasty desert.  When it first started,
I had some high hopes of seeing a sort of Cooper possessed by BOB character,
but wound up having to watch poor Kyle go through scenes that only a hack
comic writer could come up with, and mouth incredibly inane dialog.  The
best line - really, the very best line (okay, the *only* "good" line) - was
"Women... you can't live with 'em... you can only fit one in the trunk at a
time."

Boy, I'm excited that there really might be a TP movie!  I won't belabor the
issue, but... Boy, I'm *really* disappointed that it won't carry on from the
*season* cliff-hanger.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Recently, a number of digitized Twin Peaks sounds have been posted to
this newsgroup.  To save future bandwidth, a number of the favorite
sounds are archived on the Almanac information server.  This means that
almost anyone reading this has the ability to request the sounds from the
server.  The sounds are all currently uuencoded and in ulaw format.
To get a listing of the available sounds, send the following line in
a message to almanac@oes.orst.edu:

send sound catalog

The catalog will explain how to request the files.

If anyone has any additional sounds that they would like to make
available, leave them in the anonymous ftp directory /pub/incoming
on oes.orst.edu, or send it to submit@oes.orst.edu.

Cross your fingers for a third season.

 - Chris Hansen

Internet: hansenc@OES.ORST.EDU           UUCP: uunet!orstext!gouda!hansenc
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"This smoke inhalation is a nasty business.  I feel like someone taped my
 lips to the tailpipe of a bus!"
- Pete Martel, from _T_w_i_n_ _P_e_a_k_s

In article <1991Jun18.015943.3402@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
> >
> >I have some questions bout non-finale-related TP news:
> >
> >1. Is there any known relation between the following:
> >
> >Craig MacLachlan (The Dead Man) ...and Kyle MacLachlan?
> >

 Kyle MacLachlan ..... and Kylie Minogue?

In article <machala.676740741@hcmv2> machala@hcmv2.ti.com (Chuck Machala ) writes:
> >
> >... A doppleganger, according to AD&D is simply a creature that can change 
> >shape into any humanoid...
> > 

The doppleganger of myth and legend was a double of an individual.  Each one
of us has a doppleganger, and were we to meet our doppleganger, we would be
annihilated.  Matter and antimatter.  A doppleganger is our "evil twin" (where
is David Cronenburg when you need him?).

The big thick dictionary on my wife's desk says
Doppleganger: n. A ghostly double of a living person, especially one that haunts
its own fleshly counterpart.

Does this mean that the existence of your doppleganger implies that you are not
yet dead?

_______
Stephen M. Webb
> > "Wow bob wow"

I missed some of the episodes.  Could someone please state who Thomas
Eckhardt is? I can't seem to remember.  Thanks.

In article <1991Jun15.035919.29615@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> djb@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (David Brightbill) writes:
> >Early friday morning, a young man broke the glass out of one of the 
> >ground floor doors of the Florida State Capital.  Much of my information

> >demanded 600 jelly donuts.  Tallahassee's finest had the place surrounded 

That was "666 dunkin donuts for my friends in the TPD, FLPD..." or something
to that effect.  The handwritten note was partially reproduced in the Orlando 
Sentinel, and included an order for a veggie pizza and a CNN crew.  The young
man, a college student, allegedly had spent the last month on LSD.  He was
hauled away wearing shorts, no shoes, and a very nice tie-dyed Jimi Hendrix
t-shirt.  He was supposed to be swigging bourbon and smoking a cigar filched
from a politician's office when apprehended, but was unarmed.  He had also 
demanded to talk to Timothy Leary, but the canny police negotiator lied 
and told him Leary was dead, which caused him to break down.  A college
buddy told the press that the man had threatened to hold himself hostage
in the capital to bring attention to world hunger, but that since the guy
talked constantly anyway, he had "tuned him out".

We now return you to Mb's of probably pointless but positively fascinating 
speculation about Twin Peaks.  Please contribute to the fund to get Agent
Cooper _on_ drugs (that old blue magic).

Kimiye Tipton    att!ablnc!kimi   kimi@ablnc.att.com   Maitland, FL
"Meanwhile..."

In article <20609@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
> > In article <1991Jun13.192850.8862@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>> > >In  <20438@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>  orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner) writes:
>>> > >> 7. How many of you ever watch ABC? Now, how many will be
>>> > >> watching once Peaks is gone? Oh yeah, "perfect strangers" and
>>> > >> "who's the boss" are on top of MY list. So, how about letting
> > 
> > ABC isn't bad, as far as the three BIG networks go. I mean, honestly, I used
> > to be an NBC guy.. I liked the NBC shows the best. But now I like ABC better.
> > Honestly, even though they axed what I consider two of the best shows of all
> > time (Twin Peaks, and the BEST show ever, "Max Headroom"), the fact is that
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^?????
         How could anyone stand any more than 30 seconds of that show?!?
> > 
> > least one "marginal" show (and a damned fine one) is coming back. And I also
> > find "Wonder Years" and "Doogie Howser, M.D." superior shows, too. (Is this
   Wonder Years, ok, but Doogie Howser?!?!?  If you call this a superior show,
    I shudder to think of what you consider an "inferior" show!
 
> > So don't attack ABC too much. They're putting out better stuff than the other
> > networks, at least right now. Did you see CBS' schedule this year? Eeeawwwgh..
    As long as NBC still has SNL, Cheers, and even Seinfeld, they're #1.

kjm.

"Would you like to touch my monkey?  Go on, TOUCH him!  LOVE him!"
   - Dieter , "Sprockets" (SNL)

Did I miss something, or did they not clearly explain the markings on the
Major's neck?  Where exactly did they come from?  Why did the Major disappear,
and where did he go?  Why did he come back in the old flight suit?

Someone either post the answers, or write back directly to me.

Dan

Regarding all this speculation that Catherine may have been the actual
culprit in planting the bomb, I don't buy it.  The note was signed by
Thomas.  Why would Catherine try to mislead her brother if she fully
expected to be sending him on to the netherworld as he read the note?
Why bother to fool someone who is about to die?

If Catherine was out for some sort of revenge (i.e. she resented Andrew's
intrusion), the vengence would be quite hollow if Andrew never knew she
was responsible.  If she simply wanted him gone, why bother having him die
thinking Thomas did it?  And finally, if she wanted to leave some sort of
misleading evidence for the authorities, a note placed in front of a bomb
is not a very intelligent way to plant information.

It seems to me that the only reasonable argument is that Thomas knew Andrew
would eventually get into the box and rigged it accordingly.  Since the note
didn't mention Catherine, we can assume Thomas didn't know, or didn't care
whether she'd be there or not.

Sheila Wassmer, Hewlett-Packard Colorado IC Division
sew@hpfitst1.HP.COM

In article <6177@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (Chris Tavares) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun14.185025.24527@ablnc.att.com>, kimi@ablnc.att.com (Kimiye) writes:
>> >> Why does BOB injure Cooper by banging "their" head into the mirror?  
> >
> >Typical madman act, to demonstrate to Cooper that HE controls that body, not Coop.
> >BOB doesn't care how the body is damaged -- it isn't "his"...
> >-- 
> >

Hmmm...  I thought that it was Cooper banging his head in the mirror, trying
to kill himself so that BOB would have to return to the Black Lodge, or 
else trying to hurt himself to draw attention to the fact that he was not
acting normally and the others should look out.  Unfortunately, BOB was
too powerful for him, it seems.

--carol


--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Carol Osterbrock                        *  Such a long, long time to be gone, 
carolo@cis.ucsc.edu                     *     And a short time to be there...
================================================================================

Scott "TCB" Turner wrote:

>> >> Brian Wood wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Consider also, that if the movie addresses the time prior to Laura's
>> >> death, the Black lodge timeline would have advanced an equal amount into
>> >> its future, and they should therefore know what happened to Dale and
>> >> Annie.

> > Uh, no.
> > 
> > "What happened to Dale and Annie" will simply be further in the past
> > for the reversed time line.  At any point in time, the reversed time
> > line knows the entire future of the forward time line, and vice versa.

I think Brian Wood meant that if the movie addresses the time prior to
Laura's death, we would be able to learn what will happen to Dale and
Annie in the Black Lodge's future; that is, we'll learn what happens to
the "good" versions of Dale and Annie who are trapped in the Black Lodge.

My personal hope for the movie is that somehow, by showing us the events
which led to Laura's death, Lynch will explain some of the unexplained
events we've already seen and, perhaps, cause us to re-evaluate much of
what we already "know".

Mark Collier
Hewlett-Packard Company
Loveland, Colorado
collier@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com

In article <machala.676679134@hcmv2> machala@hcmv2.ti.com (Chuck Machala ) writes:
> >will@ogre (William Sadler) writes:
> >
>> >>Maybe I am reading some of this in, but the finale seemed to be using
>> >>a whole bunch of imagery borrowed from Arthurian legends and even
>> >>Adonis myths.  The presence of the 12 rainbow trout, the 12 sycamores,
>> >>the name of the grove (supposedly the burial place of King Arthur),
>> >>and the wound in Cooper's side are all elements of what someone has
>> >>termed "fisher-king" archetypes as found in grail stories, the Golden
>> >>Bough, etc.  Supposedly what happens is that the knight, in this case
>> >>Cooper, finds entrance into some separate place representing the
>> >>psyche (?) and is there presented with 5 questions.  
> >3 questions!

 
So what are the questions?  And why is he there and why is he called the
Fisher king and what happens in the end?

I would like to repeat my request for gifs of BOB and Laura Palmer.

I tried BITFTP, but they seem to have restricted access.

I tried decwrl, but it does not seem to be able to get to the
machine with the gifs on them.  Maybe I am using it wrong.

Again, HP does not give me direct access to the entirety of
internet.

Please, could someone do this.  What would be COMPLETELY cool would
be a gif of cooper and bob staring at each other in the mirror.

Well, just thought I would ask.  I have had someone else ask if
I had any success at this.  I had to say no.

HP has a machine with a bunch of gifs on it, but nobody has put any
TP gifs on it.  So sad!

doug

A thought just occurred to me.  At the end of the last set of shows we saw
BOB appear into the grove from the shadows.  Which side did he enter from?
If memory serves it was the far right hand side.

Fast forward to last week and the finale.  Where does Coop and WE/AB enter
[insert BL, WL, waiting room, or whatever your personal belief dictates]
from??  STRAIGHT AHEAD.  Important? maybe.  Simple error in continuity?
perhaps.  Worthy of reflection?. . . . well we talked quite a bit who and
where the %^#@( pilot was in what's-his-name's jet

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In article <1991Jun18.003540.8638@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ma2cs240@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Gian Di Loreto) writes:
> > Hello all, I recieved a complete first draft of the pilot (entitled Northwest
> > passage) and episodes #001 and #002 as a gift...
> > OA:  Yes wasn't Laura Palmer here earlier?  "Through the darkness of 
> >      futures past, the magician longs to see, one chance out between
> >      two worlds ... fire, walk with me"... We lived among the people.
> >      I think you say, convenience store.  We lived above it.  I mean
> >      it like it is, like it sounds ... my name is Mike.  His name is
> >      Bob.

Does the printed version really say "chance?"  Not "chants?"

> > T: The letters.  What were the letters going to spell?
> > 
> > Bob: Robert.  That's my proper name.  Teresa's was a "t". 
> > 

I thought Teresa's was a B, and Laura's was an R?

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Any fans of the comic strip Kudzu out there? I've admired Doug Marlette 
for a long while, but my opinion of him dipped a few degrees after this 
strip appeared Monday 6/17.

(Background: Kudzu is a stressed-out teenager growing up in the little
town of Bypass somewhere in the deep South.)

Frame 1 -- Kudzu walking towards a door with the Reverend Will B. Dunn, 
           who is carrying a suitcase.

 Kudzu:   Are you sure this works?
 W.B.D.:  Have faith, my son.

Frame 2 -- Rev. W.B.D. kneeling down, fiddling with a TV set.

 Kudzu:   Have you performed any other successful exorcisms besides the
          Today Show?
 W.B.D.:  Norville's my best known work, but...

Frame 3

 W.B.D.:  Have you ever heard of a little show called "Twin Peaks?"
 Kudzu:   Sure, it was cancelled!

Frame 4 -- Rev. W.B.D. still fiddling with the TV.

 W.B.D.:  You're welcome.

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        Yeah, David Lynch told me personally that anybody who
wants to see a Twin Peaks movie should put ten dollars in the
horses head at the carousel in Easter Park (or whatever the hell
Jean Renault told Ben Horne; I challenge any of you true peaks freaks
to post the correct dialogue line).  >:-)

             "Wow Bob Wow"
                                            
                                               Phil

       Everybody including Cooper is damned; only Bob Iger is gifted.

                                                         Phil

In article <6208@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (Chris Tavares) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun18.003540.8638@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ma2cs240@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Gian Di Loreto) writes:
>> >> T: The letters.  What were the letters going to spell?
>> >> 
>> >> Bob: Robert.  That's my proper name.  Teresa's was a "t". 
>> >> 
> >
> >I thought Teresa's was a B, and Laura's was an R?

Teresa was a T, Laura was an R, Ronnette was a B, and Madeline was an O.

I still wonder what happened to the E.  I guess Dr. Jacoby was supposed
to get the E?

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <54115@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:

> >Fans of Kyle McLachlan (sorry if sp is wrong) can happily avoid the current
> >episode of "Tales from the Crypt" on HBO.  Kyle is the lead character, but
> >is forced to speak BAD comic book dialog in a pretty silly story.  (Don't
> >misinterpret - I love comics, and read quite a few, but there are good comics
> >and there are bad comics, and then there's this stuff.)

Don't let that awful HBO show deter you from checking out genuine EC
comics, upon which the shows are based.  The originals were terrific,
especially the SF comics and early MAD comics - these comics featured
some of the best names in the business.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if David Lynch were a fan.

- Dan
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Dopplegangers are associated with doulbes (of people). They are considered
to be mischievous beings interested in promoting chaos. In Christopher
Stashev's (<-- ? spelling) "Warlock Series" the method for getting rid of a
doppleganger is provided. ie. Turn your coat, and whistle... which translates
 to put your clothes on insideout and whistle a tune. Another method mentioned
 is to banish the spector with the statement: "Get thee hence" this, suggests
that the doppleganger is a evil creature that would fear the "rath of God".
Decide for yourself what a doppleganger is in Twin Peaks, the usual reference
is as I have mentioned. Any questions, please reply.

> >
> >Does the printed version really say "chance?"  Not "chants?"
> >
really does, ``one chance out between two worlds..''

> >I thought Teresa's was a B, and Laura's was an R?
Nope, Teresa's was a T 

Gian Di Loreto

In article <54112@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >In the original, classic dream sequence, after "Laura" (who the LMFAP has
> >said is really his cousin?) makes that comment about her arms bending back,
> >the LMFAP says:  "She's filled with secrets.  Where we're from the birds sing
> >a pretty song and there's always music in the air."
> >
> >Note that he says "we", and the description of their home certainly sounds
> >more like the White Lodge than the Black Lodge.  I've always thought that

Not.
They made the record player in the Palmer house pretty darned obvious
throughout the first season, especially during the episodes right around
where Maddy was killed.  "There's always music in the air."

Your thoughts about that "we" fall apart anyways, because Laura is most
definitely not from the White Lodge.  They were both from the Palmer House
though, yes?

cdt@sw.stratus.com (Chris Tavares) writes:

> > While we're on the subject:  "Fire walk with me" (especially without the punc
> > and following on the heels of "Wow Bob Wow") fairly screms to be played backw
> > Has anyone does this?  Does it sound like anything meaningful?

"Eemthi'uklauryahf," for what it's worth...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <P8XP41w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
|> margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu (Margaret Hudacko) writes:
|> 
|> > Why does everyone assume that Pete, Audrey and Thomas et al. didn't have
|> > time to get out of the bank?  I would think that the "flying glasses"
|> > would hint that maybe they made it far enough out of the bank for the
|> > ensuing blast to knock Thomas down and send his glasses flying.  After
|> > all, we DIDN'T see them blown to bits, what we saw was Thomas
|> > opening the safe deposit box, the FUSE of the bomb igniting, and the
|> > cut to the exploding windows and then the flying glasses.

I assumed that the glasses belonged to the banker chappie, not Andrew 
Packard.
Has this been postulated already? Sorry if it has - it just seemed to me that 
the bank clerk had very large glasses and, like, this was a bit of a Lynchian 
joke, right, so he had them fly out of the window at the end.
Remember that chances are that the vault was in the basement of the bank, so if 
they all managed to escape it would be a bit flukey, a la Scooby Doo/DangerMouse.

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Would anyone care to email me some Mac snd files ?  I only have an IBM PC, not a Mac,
so I can't take any Squished or BinHex'ed stuff, just raw files.  Thus I can then
play them on Remac on my PC.

Eternal thanks should you comply,

I'm off to brush my teeth ...


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   Bomb planted by Catharine doesn't make sense.  Why would she put a note
ostensibly written by Eckardt?  Also, could she get into safe deposit box
without signing in?  Did she have time to do so?

   Eckardt didn't have time to set up bomb after he found out Andrew was 
alive, or write note for that matter.

   My candidate for the earliest use of personality-change-after-hit-on-
head and return-to-normal-after-hit-on-head-again is a Laurel & Hardy movie
(sorry don't have title with me) with Stan becoming an Oxford professor.

   The last episode was a fitting conclusion to a seasonthat has been a
straight downhill slide.  My guess is there must have been a crucial change
in writers near the end of the first season.

In article <pjohnson.8642@jabba.uucp> pjohnson@jabba.uucp (Palmer Johnson) writes:

> >here's a theory: there are no answers.
> >Maybe dear Mr. Lynch is just having some fun. And anyway, who expected
> >him to tie it all up? Why should he if there is even a faint
> >hope of Peaks being brought back? 
> >
> >Jill Johnson
> >

I'm sure this is the *true* explanation. As I understand it, TP was intended to
be an endless soap and hence for every answer we are given two more questions
arise. This ensures that the writers will never run out of story lines to follow
up.
Great characters, neat twists in the plot, but what David Lynch failed to grasp
was the limited appeal of such a story line. Sadly the majority of people who 
watch soaps don't want to have to pay too much attention or use their brains !

I beleive the original concept could have been better served as a mini-series or
some such. This way he could have moved toward a more consistant conclusion rather
than having to constantly create new threads and hence dilute the initial idea.

I didn't get to read many opinions of the final episode because they were wiped
from the network before the final episode was screened in the UK (June 18th).
I was rather dissapointed. I expected much better things. The whole scene in the
black/white lodge was a complete anti-climax I thought. After months of building
up the myth and mystery of the lodges what were we presented with ? A lot of red
curtain material and the exhausted cliche 'Talking backwards = Evil'.
I maintain that had David Lynch had the complete story in mind when he started
writing we would have been spared this damp squib ending !

Easy on the flames TP fans. Up until that point I thought the series was excellent.

 
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Not meaning to sound proud or anything, but did you read my recent posting
where I bring up this point of time flowing backwards?  Here is a repost
of the relevant section:

> >Also, how's this for an analysis of TP, as alluded to by another post --
> >Suppose the central theme of TP is that when the Universe began, two
> >separate timelines were created - a positive time line and a negative
> >time line.  The two threads of time are intertwined and intersect every
> >20-25 years.  We live in the positive time line and the black and white lodges
> >exist in the negative time line.  Time is moving forward to the occupants
> >of the lodges, but in reverse direction to ours.  They therefore know
> >what's happening in our future at 20-25 year intervals.  This explains
> >how Laura and the LMFAP can know Dale's future.  THEY have already lived
> >it - in reverse.  To communicate with us, they have to talk backward,
> >because if they talked forward (to them), it would SOUND backward to us.

> >This implies a certain predestiny, for if a backwards time line started
>from infinite time and worked backwards, events must have already been
> >predestined.  Since Lynch is reputed to be very conservative and religious,
> >belief in predestination may make sense.  Perhaps Bob, et al, are
> >messing with the machinery every 20 years and causing potential paradoxes.
> >It is up to the white lodge to keep this from happening.

> >Consider also, that if the movie addresses the time prior to Laura's
> >death, the Black lodge timeline would have advanced an equal amount into
> >its future, and they should therefore know what happened to Dale and
> >Annie.  Let's face it - Kyle MacLachlan WILL be in the movie! 

The last paragraph is a bit confusing...here's a graph:
(0 = creation of universe.  '<' and '>' represent direction of time flow)

            LP killed               Dale enters BL               ????????
                |                         |                          |
Neg. time    <--+-------------------------+--------------------------+---...0
Our time  0...--+-------------------------+--------------------------+------->
              |
     movie....|

Clearly (?), even when Dale enters the black lodge, the inhabitants of the
black lodge know his future, because it happened in THEIR past.  Although
they haven't observed the killing of Laura Palmer, they have lived through
the resulting investigation (backwards).  At any point on the graph, we
don't know our future (to the right) and they don't know their future
(our past - to the left).  Now, isn't that as clear as a pit full of
scorched motor oil? 

Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES (ASH trees, [un]fortunately)
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

Help!  My formerly trustly vcr did not record the finale while I was
painting and staining my heart out (we are trying to finish building
our house).  I have been so busy, stressed, etc. that this is the first
chance I have gotten to post my plea for help.  Would some kind soul
out there contact me via mail (I can't bear to read the board until
I have seen the finale) at ljn1274@hare.udev.cdc.com to make arrangements
for me to obtain a copy.  I live in the Minneapolis area.

Thanks!
Lisa Nebel

In article <B6eN41w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >
> >Josie is now the Black Lodge coat check girl. And we didn't
> >get to see the Legendary Jimmy Whatever's backing band: The
> >Renault Brothers!
> >

Hasn't anyone yet realized that the Lounge Lizard was the Log Lady's husband?

_______
Stephen M. Webb
"Wow Bob wow!"

Can anyone tell me why my newsgroup doesn't seem to get any more TP articles in alt.tv.twin-peaks? Is it possible that my Univ. has unsubscribed to this group?
Any thoughts would be welcome.  Thanks.

So far I haven't noticed anyone saying exactly what I thought
the final episode revealed, though a few postings have been
in the neighborhood.  Of those I recall probably the closest
interpretations were by Brian Wood & Tim Webb,  though there
may be others -- there hasn't been time to read all.

In the summary below I'm projecting a little that we don't
have much evidence for yet concerning the White Lodge.  It
could turn out that only the Black Lodge and Twin Peaks are
involved.


What we saw at the end was a gateway to a twin universe;
immediately behind the portal that offers entry is the
Black Lodge, which is only a waiting room.  Somewhere beyond
it is ther rest of the Black Universe.

Somewhere else is a White Universe, enterable through
the White Lodge.  Each of these has its own laws of physics,
and some of these laws are opposites in each universe.
Between these two is our universe, including the town
of Twin Peaks, where gateways exist between the universes.

The Black and White Universes may in fact be universes of
souls.  In any case every person has an identity in each
universe.  If a person in one universe finds a gateway and
visits another universe, they can find a being there who
is a "double" for themselves.  They can also find doubles
of numerous other people, and sometimes they may actually
stumble on someone else from their own universe -- someone
who might have wandered through a gateway, or who was forced
through it (as in Annie being abducted).

The "Black physics" and "White physics" of the opposed universes
make one a home for evil beings, the other a home for good beings.
Our universe, between the opposites, is a middle ground where
the opposing laws of physics mix and compete.  The competition
is particularly strong in Twin Peaks, which has a known gateway
to the Black Universe and probably also has a gateway to the
White Universe.

In the Black laws of physics time probably still runs forwards,
but the combination of space and time is different.  There are
probably more than 3 spatial dimensions, and time might behave
partly as a spatial dimension.  It may be possible to visit an
earlier time by walking to a different location in this
multi-dimensional space.  Maybe time is nonlinear -- distortions
in either space or time could explain why voices sound strange
to our perception.

Laws of physics may be further distorted in a place such as
the Black Lodge, at an interface between universes.  There
may be yet more mysteries beyon the Black Lodge.

Apparently we of the Peaks Universe can gain entrance to the
Black Universe (or at least the Black Lodge) by passing
through the gateway.  A being (soul?) in the Black Universe
needs to physically merge with its double from the Peaks universe
in the Black Lodge before being able to cross the gateway,
as happened with Coop at the end.

That leaves a question of identity:  Only BOB visibly inhabits
a human host while in this universe.  Are the Black doubles
manifestations of BOB?  Or is BOB the "God" of the Black
Universe, creator of the Black doubles for his own purposes?
Or is there more to be revealed?


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Raveling@Unify.com

In article <1991Jun17.075053.5531@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
|> Things to do while procrastinating at work:  I looked up
|> doppleganger in the Britannica, where it said (this is from a fried
|> cortex) a doppleganger (which means "double goer") is a spiritual double
|> that all humans and animals have.  It is not a ghost, but an "apparition"
|> or a "wraith".  And if you happen to _see_ your doppleganger, it means
|> your death is imminent.  The moment good Coop turned around in the hallway
|> and made eye contact with bad Coop was a moment of significance.

This explanation seems a bit far-fetched (didn`t check the Britannica,
though). Basically, doppelganger or rather "doppelgaenger" is german
and means something like double, i. e. a copy of a human being. This
implies a copy of the body, too, and not only a spiritual double.

In article <1991Jun19.052055.14705@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, cryptkpr@cc.utah.edu (H. CARLTON DOE III) writes:
> > A thought just occurred to me.  At the end of the last set of shows we saw
> > BOB appear into the grove from the shadows.  Which side did he enter from?
> > If memory serves it was the far right hand side.
> > Fast forward to last week and the finale.  Where does Coop and WE/AB enter
> > [insert BL, WL, waiting room, or whatever your personal belief dictates]
> > from??  STRAIGHT AHEAD.

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I interpreted it as BOB showing Coop that they were BLOOD BROTHERS, the
Black & White Lodges being Red Indian ideas.

Or possibly BOB was pissed with Coop for squeezing the toothpaste in the
middle. Perhaps Laura used to do that in the Black Lodge Bathroom ???

Any thoughts ?

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'Ear all, see all, say nowt,                         Drew
Eat all, drink all, pay nowt,
If ever tha' does owt fer nowt,              cczads@uk.ac.nott.vme
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Just finished watching the last hour of TP. Eeeek! What ????? Who ????
So why did...???? Hmmmmm.

What we definitely need is a prequel that gives you some of the stuff
that happened to Coop, Windom & Caroline before Twin Peaks, and a
sequel to sort out all of the loose ends.

It's sort of like a reef knot and we started at one side, went through the
jumbled loop bits, and have ended up on the other side, but we've still
not got to either end of either of the two pieces of string. I think ?!

It's just a pity that on American tv the commercials take over the schedules.
If it wasn't for the fact that advertisers have such weight over there we
might still have Twin Peaks.

I reckon if it had been a BBC tv production we would now be looking forward
to a third series.

Oh well such is life.

It was good while it lasted.  Now where have I heard that before........?

Cheers

Drew.
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'Ear all, see all, say nowt,                         Drew
Eat all, drink all, pay nowt,
If ever tha' does owt fer nowt,              cczads@uk.ac.nott.vme
Do it fer thi' sen..
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