Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990

Howdy-
Invite to Love  seems to parrallel TP, and in IV there was a rather 
long scene fosusing on the soap.  Lucy is watching it in the sherriff's office 
and when Cooper, Truman, and Andy walk in she gives them a plot summary:

"Good Morning Lucy, What's going on?"

"Thanks to Jade, Jerrod decided not to kill himself and he's changed his will 
leaving the Towers to Jade instead of Emerald.  But Emerald found out about it 
and now she's trying to seduce Chet to give her the new will so she can destroy
 it.  Montana's planning to kill Jerrod at midnight so the Towers will belong 
to Emerald and Montana.  But I think she's going to double-cross him and he 
doesn't know it yet.  Poor Chet."

Dare I ignore the fact that Jade and Emerald are identical, the rest of this
could lend some clue to the scuffle over the mill among Josie, Ben Horne,
Hank Jennings?, and Catherine.  

hmmmm???????

In the dream, Laura does place a finger to her nose. I think she
uses her right hand and index finger.

The Bookhouse Boys trace the side of their eye with the other hand.

Don't confuse the two signs.

My interpretation: The former is Cooper dreaming that Laura did coke, or
                   even better, is enticing him to do coke -- this suggests
                   to me that Cooper suspects her of dealing or being
                   with the dealing of coke. This would also fall in with
                   the vulnerability Cooper has for pretty girls (he's
                   struck by Audrey, no?) -- she's inviting him.

   The latter sign is just the BB's secret sign, who knows
                   where it came from... resembles a salute, a watchfulness,
                   is subtle.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Ward C. Travis                         Cumbersome editors, dense Macro,
travis%zimbra.enet@decwrl.dec.com      and XDELTA can only do SO much y'know
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Marian, Madam Librarian) probably regrets saying:
-
-Hmm...maybe the similarity I noticed to Audrey's dreamy dance and Liza
-Minelli in _Cabaret_ wasn't just a coincidence after all.

I think it is...Sally's dancing (from Cabaret, when trying to seduce Brian) 
is as seductive as she can get.  And that's the closest she comes to dancing
anything like any of the other characters.  Had Cooper been around when we 
see Audrey dance, then perhaps I could see a link to Cabaret.

And besides; Audrey is *far* more fatale than an after-dinner mint.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "Until I figure out which one of us is ME, I'm keeping my straight lines to myself!" - Lord Julius (to Lord Julius), Cerebus #137

The re-run schedule for TWIN PEAKS has been slightly amended. The latest
issue of TV GUIDE -- for next week -- lists this coming Saturday's
broadcast as a 2-hour slot. From the description, they are apparently
showing episodes #5 and 6 back-to-back. Whether that means they'll
skip a week before re-running the finale, or skip a week between the
finale and the beginning of the Second Season, I don't know.

So, be warned, TP will start an hour early this Saturday -- 9 PM EDT.

Also, on Friday, 14 September, at 9:30 PM EDT, ABC is running a half-hour
"behind the scenes" program looking at TWIN PEAKS and the new Bochco show
COP ROCK. The TWIN PEAKS segment includes talks with Kyle McLachlan (Cooper),
Michael Ontkean (Truman), Peggy Lipton (Norma), Mark Frost, and David
Lynch.

And Lynch & Frost's new documentary show, AMERICAN CHRONICLES, debuts this
Saturday on FOX at 9:30 PM EDT (conflicting with part of TP, of course).

-- "Beware the Ids that march." -- RETURN TO THE FORBIDDEN PLANET (Shakespeare's forgotten rock'n'roll masterpiece) --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

> >dan@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU / 10:37 pm  Sep  4, 1990 /
> >Did anyone catch David Lynch on The Tonight Show? ...
> >In short, don't bother trying to track down a videotape of the show -
> >you didn't miss anything.
> >- Dan

The interview was about as superficial as MOST T.V.

It was clear that Jay Leno didn't prepare for the interview.
Jay hadn't seen "Wild at Heart", and he didn't ask any questions
about David's other movies or Twin Peaks.

The most probing question that Jay asked David was
"I hear that you are a creature of habit".  David answered that
Jay might be referring to his lunch habits - for SEVEN YEARS
David had basically the same lunch - A silver goblet milkshake
("about the consistency of butter"), and several cups of coffee.
David had this well balanced meal every day at 2:30 at "a really
good" restaurant in L.A. - Bob's Big Boy.

Tom Jack
arpa:    taj@hpda.cup.hp.com            
uucp:    {hplabs,uunet}!hpda!taj 
----------

In article <1990Sep4.171635@unify.com> raveling@unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >On the wall behind these is the menu of other juicy tidbits.

Stay tuned for a very juicy tidbit indeed.

> >The ones most unique to Peaks are:
> >    Bark Burger

I bet this is Bobby and Mike's favorite.  James doesn't like it.

> >    Douglas Fir Burger
    ^^^^^^^^^^
Good Heavens!  They caught the censors napping on that one!
I'm astounded that this got on the air.  Raunchy euphemisms
for genitalia (and their uses) are usually a no-no.  I can't
imagine nobody on the set noticing this double entendre.

> >    Lumberjack Pancake Stack

Say that 10 times fast early in the morning.  Rappin' at the RR.

> >    Woodcutters Combo Breakfast

Pete says, "Two by fours, four by eights, two by fours, four by
eights, two by fours, four by eights...".  Or maybe it refers to
Leo chopping wood in his overalls (with the ever-stylish one-
strap-on, one-strap-off coquette look).

> >       OK, who has recipes for these goodies?  I wanna break out
> >the barbecue and roast some bark.

      MMM!  DAMN good, of course.

      Remember, nothing beats the sensation when maple syrup collides with
      ham.
Bill Sherman                "A hand from the cloud emerges, holding a
sherman@math.ucla.edu         chart expanded."  -Joyce, _Finnegans Wake_

Someone asked if anyone knew of any meaning to thr "The
gun you like is coming back in style soon." line.  I'm dubious, 
but my girlfriend insists it is somehow a reference to "Black
Jack" (there's that word again) gum, which was popular back 
around 1970, I think.  For what it's worth...

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

 The Laura/cousin switch thing has been proposed and although
 I like the idea, I don't feel that's the solution. In some episode
 (I have neither a tv nor a vcr so I can't tell you what episode),
 there is a scene in which the cousin calls one of Laura's friends
 to tell them about the tape she found in Laura's room. She was using
 a phone in a darkened living room in the middle of the night. No one
 else was around. Yet, while talking on the phone, she looked at the
 tape in her hand as if she really was the cousin. If in fact she was
 Laura, then she wouldn't have had a puzzled look on her face. Does any
 of this make sense???

-L.p.P>

[T-shirt in comic strip last month: "Bart Simpson Killed Laura Palmer"]

In article <1990Sep4.171635@unify.com>, raveling@unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >On the wall behind these is the menu of other juicy tidbits.
> >The ones most unique to Peaks are: [...]
> >     Douglas Fir Burger
> > Paul Raveling

Hey! Take that obscene stuff to alt.sex! "Fir burger", indeed! ;-)

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

In article <25680@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, lindsey@snoopy.Colorado.EDU (LINDSEY MATTHEW ALLEN) writes:
[slightly possible spoilers]






























> > It is pretty obvious throughout the series that Laura is suffering
> > from a multiple personality disorder.

Your theory is sound, but I believe the term is "borderline multiple
personality". Laura did seem to have several distinct personalities,
but they were all Laura. Real multiple personalities are different,
independent people. So far, there is no real evidence of a totally
non-Laura personality.
 
> > However, Laura ended up choosing herself as her next victim, and 
> > commited suicide.  Her father found her dead and wanted to hide the
> > incestuous relationship that he knew drove her to death, so wrapped
> > her body in plastic to make it look like a murder.

Gee, I dunno. Sort of hard to kill yourself like that without
help. Remember, Laura was basically thrashed to death. She died
from loss of blood from a great multitude of contusions, no one of
which would have caused serious harm. (Corrections?) Also, she was
tied up. Can't do that by yourself.

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

Actually, it looks more like Madelyne and it's not really either of them,
but one of the girls featured in Playboy's "Girls of the Big West" is a
dead ringer! Check out the smile!

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

Were there ever any theories/facts arrived at about the message "DAY ONE!"
in Laura's diary (just above the pocket with the key)? If so, what were
they?
---------- Ryan Mathews

-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

In article <1990Sep5.183553@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >Were there ever any theories/facts arrived at about the message "DAY ONE!"
> >in Laura's diary (just above the pocket with the key)? If so, what were
> >they?
> >---------- Ryan Mathews
> >
> >-- 
> >Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu
> >Bitnet   : mathews@sunybcs
> >UUCP     :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}!
> >          cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

Perhaps she had decided to change her life, and that was day
one of her "new", better life.  Actually this would explain a lot of
things.  She seemed like her old self right before she was killed, so
maybe Jacoby and James Hurley had succeeded, Laura tried to get out
of drug dealing, and that's why she was killed.  Kind of meshes nicely
with being Laura, "but sometimes my arms bend back", as in she can't
quite make it out of the mess she's in.

Just my Wednesday afternoon stream of conciousness...

Brian Hanafee

In article <999@beguine.UUCP>, George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS
Account) writes:
> > 
> > Someone asked if anyone knew of any meaning to thr "The
> > gun you like is coming back in style soon." line.  I'm dubious, 
> > but my girlfriend insists it is somehow a reference to "Black
> > Jack" ...

Hmmm...  Will we see more of Blackie at the (OE) Jack?
If that's what the gum reference means it would mesh well
with the fact that they made a permanent set for her office
for the coming season.  Any bets on how much Blackie's
involved in?


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

Ciao-

Freferences to future episodes.
Spoilers...






Now when K(C)atherine, Ben & Little Elvis are at the motel they too have ItL
on. Has anybody been able to hear what is being said on the show; K(C-atherine
& Ben are talking & on ItL there is mention of "I did not spend 18 months
blah blah" This is a foreshadow to Hank & Josies' conversation in the last
episode yet more was discussed & I would be interested to know what else was
said, thus providing other possible clues.

thanks, sally
##################################################
In heaven everthing is fine...You've got your good
things, & I've got mine  Girl-in-the-Radiator,
"Eraserhead"  sally@mica.berkeley.edu

[slightly possible spoilers]








 
> > However, Laura ended up choosing herself as her next victim, and 
> > commited suicide.  Her father found her dead and wanted to hide the
> > incestuous relationship that he knew drove her to death, so wrapped
> > her body in plastic to make it look like a murder.

 >Gee, I dunno. Sort of hard to kill yourself like that without
 >help. Remember, Laura was basically thrashed to death. She died
 >from loss of blood from a great multitude of contusions, no one of
 >which would have caused serious harm. (Corrections?) Also, she was
 >tied up. Can't do that by yourself.


Actually the autopsy said Laura died from a loss of blood caused
by many shallow wounds, none serious enough to kill her.  I kind of
like the suicide theory.  It would explain a lot of the so called
"red herrings" mentioned on the net.  I think that somehow Bob is
going to be worked in as the killer, and since he is not really a
character except in the dream and vision this would explain him.
Or maybe Leland is the one who takes on the Bob personality.

Also, the fact that Laura was tied up may only mean that she was
involved in more sex games in the train before she died.  I don't
think it precludes the suicide possibility.

In article <1990Sep5.014444.2337@cbnewsk.att.com> pab1@cbnewsk.att.com (paul.a.bouchard) writes:

> >Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.

That's Dale Cooper, Paul.  Dale.  Not Daryl.

where are the gifs?

-----
byron c goc60b-1au@web.berkeley.edubyron@ocf.berkeley.edu
ab econ/cs '92 ...!ucbvax!web!c60b-1au ...!ucbvax!ocf!byron
"While my area of research is fuzzy logic, I will not be discussing it to any
 great length . . . There will be no uncertainty in this class."
-- Prof. Lotfi Zadeh, CS 189,
   28 August 1990

Hello, Thanks everybody for the requests for the "dead in plastic" sound
files. I have u/l a copy to a few users for testing purposes, and hopefully
they will be made available to the rest of you soon.. stay tuned...
"gone trolling for Xenon"

In article <1990Sep6.065254.15822@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-1au@e260-1f (Byron Go) writes:
> >In article <1990Sep5.014444.2337@cbnewsk.att.com> pab1@cbnewsk.att.com (paul.a.bouchard) writes:

>> >>Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.
> >That's Dale Cooper, Paul.  Dale.  Not Daryl.

Actually, it is Dale B. Cooper... or mayb e D. B. Cooper?  Just another inside
joke for the residents of Washington State....

In a recent issue of PREMIERE magazine (I believe Jack Nicholson is on the
cover), there are articles on "Wild At Heart", Laura Dern and David Lynch.
In the piece on Lynch, it says that Lynch was offered the job of directing
"The Return of the Jedi", which he obviously turned down. Too bad. I would
have loved to see what *he* would've done with those Ewoks.

In article <1990Sep5.014444.2337@cbnewsk.att.com> pab1@cbnewsk.att.com (paul.a.bouchard) writes:
>>> >> > What is Cooper's full name?
>>> >> > -Shazgar
>> >> 
>> >> I wish I knew too! Please, does anyone know? 
> >
> >
> >Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.
               ^^^^^
WHAT?!?!?! Nonononono!  It is DALE, not Daryl!  Wrong tv show, Newhart went
off the air 3 months ago.

CHAz

--
Charles L. Allen    |  "Be thankful son,
Academic Computing Services    |        Not all lynch mobs
Syracuse University    |  are this nice."     
clallen@rodan.acs.syr.edu    |  -Homer Simpson

My wife believes that "Good News!  The gum...(etc.)" refers to
Doublemint (sp?) Gum or, more specifically, to the Doublemint
twins.

Also, is it possible that DAY ONE in Laura's diary refers to the
first day that she and her cousin switch places (entered by her
cousin, of course).

Jeff

In article <121@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> jguy@lilith.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Bone) writes:

   (1)  In the infamous dream scene, check out the shadow that
passes across the curtain.  It doesn't look like any
airplane I've ever seen.  In fact, it rather resembles
the outline of the state of Texas.
   --
   ---- jbone@Sun.COM --------------------------------------------------
    "...it's a game with added reality..." - Master & Servant, D. Mode
   ------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Bone ----


  Actually, the shadow looks more like a show to my friends and I.  
Considering that the one-armed man is a shoe salesman, this seems to
make some sort of weird sense.


      --
--
| Emerick M. Rogul        |  "I was enslaved to the harshest mistress  |
| 700 Commonwealth Ave.   |   of all -- my *muse*.  And that bitch     |
| Boston, MA 02215        |   rode the right side of my brain for all  |
| emerick@bucsf.bu.edu    |   she was worth!"                          |

Possible spoiler to the movie Laura ahead:



In the movie Laura, the reason that nobody realizes that the
victim *isn't* Laura until the real Laura shows up isn't that no one
close to Laura saw the body, but rather is because the girl who was 
killed was shot in the face at point blank range with a shot-gun, 
which tends to make identification difficult.  Burt Reynolds used
this same trick in Sharkey's Machine, btw.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"-Ge|ge

Actually, it's D. B. Cooper . . . ring any bells?!?!?!

-- Gary Knight Technology Strategy Section MCC gary@mcc.com 3500 W. Balcones Center Dr. phone 512/338-3694 Austin TX 78759-6509 fax 512/338-3898

> > Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.

What planet have you been watching TP from?!?

IT'SDALECOOPER!!!!
^^^^


Love and chocolate bunnies, (Snow shoe?!)
gWEN


Silly is a State of Mind, Stupid is a Way of Life.

On last week's episode, did anyone notice the photo on Ben's desk
when Audrey is giving him her spiel on helping out with the
family business? If that's Laura and Audrey together, what gives?
I thought they weren't friends. Or is it Donna and Laura? And
regardless, why does Ben have this picture.

He's just a dirty ol' man, I guess, and it beats looking at
Catherine. . .:-)

Thanks,

Jeff Abbott & Nicki Turman
MCC's Lynch Mob
-----------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: no one cares what we think!
Jeff Abbott      abbott@mcc.com.aca
only here on loan. . . . .
__________________________________________________________

Sherilyn Fenn also appeared in a not-so-good CBS series a couple
of years back called TV101. It was about a high-school journalism
class (what high drama) and the lovely Ms. Fenn played an under-
cover cop pretending to be a drug-dealing high school senior. She,
of course, fell in love with one of the underage journalism students.

Her hair was REAL short then and she gave an unconvincing performance.
She's MUCH better as Audrey! TV101 wasn't the best career move for
her then, but hey, bad judgement everywhere, IMHO - she was engaged
to Johnny Depp then!

Wrapped in plastic,

Jeff Abbott

_________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: I didn't do it and no one saw!
abbott@ACA.MCC.COM      only here on loan. . .
_________________________________________________________________

In article <121@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> jguy@lilith.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Bone) writes:
> >(1)  In the infamous dream scene, check out the shadow that
> >     passes across the curtain.  It doesn't look like any
> >     airplane I've ever seen.  In fact, it rather resembles
> >     the outline of the state of Texas.

This thing always reminded me of the bloody rag which Hawk found on the
railroad tracks near the infamous boxcar.  Maybe I thought of it because
of one of the flashing images at the beginning of the dream: a bloody
altar-sort of deal from the boxcar (?).  Anyway, one of those confused
images brought the rag to mind.  It doesn't look to me like Texas at
all; it looks rectangular (or parallelogrammatical (?)).  It has a
weird shape on the TV screen because it's being projected onto the wavy
curtains.  Oops, I mean drapes.
Bill Sherman                "A hand from the cloud emerges, holding a
sherman@math.ucla.edu         chart expanded."  -Joyce, _Finnegans Wake_

In article <121@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, jguy@lilith.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Bone)
says:
      The first 2 questions have been deleted, because I can't reply to
              them:
> >
> >        (3)  When Bobby drives Shelly home in the pilot, the day
> >             after Laura's murder, he's concerned about Leo being
> >             there.  Shelly assures him Leo called her from Butte
> >             the night before, and Bobby appears to accept this
> >             answer then becomes distraught when he sees Leo's
> >             truck.  "He's in Butte, huh!?"
> >
> >             When Bobby and Mike are in jail after the brawl,
> >             Bobby mentions that he saw Leo the night of Laura's
> >             murder...
> >
> >             Why then is he so surprised when he sees Leo's truck
> >             in the pilot?  Or is he covering something up with
> >             Mike?

      I think that the reason that Bobby is so surprised to see Leo's
        truck in the morning with Shelly is because he does think that
        Leo is in Butte.  It is possible that he saw Leo on the night of
        Laura's murder before Leo left for Butte.  However, you may find
        more of an answer in future episodes....I'm not sure what has been
        shown yet....but, isn't it possible that Leo lied to Shelly about
        being in Butte.  He probably wouldn't have been able to be back in
        Twin Peaks by morning, if that was where he really was.

     Just a few observations

###########################################################################
Jenae            "They're alive, they're awake, while the rest of the
                  world is asleep"  Tom Waits

Serious spoilers about the final episode follows:










  


   All right, now that that's out of the way, have there been any theories
about who shot Coop?  I've watched the seen ALOT and I think it's the one-
armed man.  The clothing appears to be the same, but what really
convinced me is the manner in which the scene was shot.  The left arm of
the "assasin" is not shown in any form.  Besides, his story about Bob and
his tattoo don't strike me as very convincing.

   Second -- whose face is that we see in Jacoby's eye?  It seems like
it's wearing a patch, but I really doubt that was Nadine.  Oh well...




--
| Emerick M. Rogul        |  "I was enslaved to the harshest mistress  |
| 700 Commonwealth Ave.   |   of all -- my *muse*.  And that bitch     |
| Boston, MA 02215        |   rode the right side of my brain for all  |
| emerick@bucsf.bu.edu    |   she was worth!"                          |

>> >> I heard the theme to Twin Peaks on the radio a couple of weeks
>> >> ago, and I was wondering if it was actually a soundtrack, or
>> >> if the DJ just recorded the show.

I was wondering the same thing last week.
I was at the supermarket and thought I heard the music being
played very softly on the intercom.

I was in the bakery section at the time, looking at some cherry pies.

From Liz Smith's column in SF Chronicle (8/30):

Carol Lynley Joining Cast of 'Twin Peaks'

Remember the beautiful blond Carol Lynley, star of such classics as "Blue
Denim," "Bunny Lake Is Missing," "The Pleasure Seekers," "The Poseidon
Adventure" and one of the two movies about Jean Harlow that appeared in 1965?

We have not seen Carol much lately, not even on TV, where she has worked for
the past decade. But now the baby-faced perennial is expected to materialize
on TV's hot "Twin Peaks." She'll play Diane, the unseen presence to whom FBI
man Dale Cooper (played by Kyle MacLachlan) dictates his observations about
murder, Laura Palmer, and cherry pie.

When Lynley achieves her place in the "Twin Peaks" cast, she will be joining
Piper Laurie, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, and Peggy Lipton--all
once-and-forever movie and TV performers of yesterday who are making a big
return to public consciousness. (Between "Twin Peaks" and "Murder, She Wrote,"
every actor over 40 on the Screen Actors Guild lists will get a chance to be
seen.)

I am new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if this is 
redundant.

Film Noir is a pet passion of mine, and I noticed that the
briefly seen insurance agent who spoke to Catherine about her
insurance policies was named Walter Neff.  Ring any bells?  It
should--that was the name of the insurance agent (played by Fred
MacMurry, believe it or not) in the 1930's movie Double
Indemnity.  He conspired with Barbara Stanwyck to kill her
husband and collect the insurance money.  I have been wondering
over the summer hiatus if this is a possible future plot twist.
Anyone have any thoughts on this subject?  Again, if this has
been done to death in the past, sorry.  

A sidebar: We bought the Julee Cruise album (with TP music and
her voice and David Lynch's lyrics) but I'll admit I was a little
disappointed with it.  She has a lovely voice, and the lyrics are
interesting (and the music is fabulous), but something about the
whole package adds up to less than the component parts.  

Mary Anne

("Spoliers" continue . . .)

.-.
|I| noticed that the same "shimmery" music was played for the
`-' person in the woods behind Leo (before he sent Bobby and
    Mike out for a pass) as was for the heavy breather who
    hit Jacoby.

> > whose face is that we see in Jacoby's eye?  It seems like it's
> > wearing a patch, but I really doubt that was Nadine.
.-.
|H|uh?  Jacoby was hit from behind.
`-' <_Jym_>

  I thought that her hair was naturally blond, but given the recent (week of
  8 - 14) cover of TV Guide, in which it's brown, I'm in a quandary as to
  what Ms. Lee's real hair color is.

  I suppose I could look at her high school yearbook (I believe she attended
  Fairview HS here in town, just a hop-skip-n-jump from where I live) but I
  suspect her picture might already be torn out.

  Anyway, anybody else have any ideas?

Black Jack Gum was probably more popular in the 1950s and
early 1960s.  According to Tom Wolfe, in the Right Stuff, it was
Chuck Yeagar's favorite gum--wouldn't fly without it.

But surely the gum reference in TP is to Doublemint.  Remember
the "Double Your Pleasure, Double Your Fun" commercials that always
featured twins (usually blonde women near the water, if I recall).

Madeline became a character on TP, because David Lynch
became enamored (cinematically speaking) with Sheryl Lee--the
Seatle actress he hired to play the dead Laura Palmer.  He cast
her as Madeline and the Good Witch in Wild at Heart.  This doesn't
refute the possibity that Madeline/Laura switch is the solution
to the murder mystery, because the scripting of this show is
obviously something akin to "Automatic Writing."  In other words,
the storyline, which is satirical, parodic, baroque, and twisted,
is ultimately structureless and irrelevent.  This is a signature
of Post-modernist artistic expression.

 I've noticed the constant mentioning of the J. Cruise album but 
 I haven't seen any mention of the TP album that is coming out
 on sept. 13th. Has this already been discussed?
 Ang. Bal. (I can't spell his name, the music guy) was on Fresh Air
 on NPR and they played several of the tracks such as "Laura's Theme"
 and discussed the music. Does anyone know the other selections
 on the record?

-L.p.P.

In article <2049@nyx.UUCP> gstrand@nyx.UUCP (Warren Gerhard Strand Jr.) writes:
> >
> >  I thought that her hair was naturally blond, but given the recent (week of
> >  8 - 14) cover of TV Guide, in which it's brown, I'm in a quandary as to
> >  what Ms. Lee's real hair color is.
> >
> >  I suppose I could look at her high school yearbook (I believe she attended
> >  Fairview HS here in town, just a hop-skip-n-jump from where I live) but I
> >  suspect her picture might already be torn out.
> >
> >  Anyway, anybody else have any ideas?


Well . . . I suppose someone could try to find out if she's ever posed for
Penthouse or Hustler  :-)

-- ====================================================================== | Germaine A. L'Eveque germaine@cs.columbia.edu (212) 854-8112 | | Academic Records Administrator, Computer Science Department | | Columbia University, 450-D Com.Sci.Bldg., New York, NY 10027 |

In article <JYM.90Sep6210737@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

   > whose face is that we see in Jacoby's eye?  It seems like it's
   > wearing a patch, but I really doubt that was Nadine.
   .-.
   |H|uh?  Jacoby was hit from behind.
   `-' <_Jym_>



SPOILERS!!














True, but when Jacoby is hit he rolls over onto his back.  The camera
then makes a close up of his eye, which turns into the roulette wheel
at One-eyed Jack's.  In his eye (left, I think) a face can be seen, but
it isn't very distinct.


--
| Emerick M. Rogul        |  "I was enslaved to the harshest mistress  |
| 700 Commonwealth Ave.   |   of all -- my *muse*.  And that bitch     |
| Boston, MA 02215        |   rode the right side of my brain for all  |
| emerick@bucsf.bu.edu    |   she was worth!"                          |

Patty Duke plays Laura but Cybil Shepherd plays Madeline.

                    -- Terry Dineen
                       Cooperative Object Computing Operation
                       Hewlett-Packard Company
                       dineen@apollo.hp.com

I haven't seen this mentioned before so...

I was in Crown Books (Westwood) the other day and saw a "Twin Peaks"
book next to the register.  It was Laura's diary.  I was wondering
if anyone has read this and if it sheds a little light on things, or if
its just background information.  The cover price of $8.95 for a 
fairly thin, softcover book seemed a  little steep.   I'm not even sure
who wrote it (ie: Lynch or some flunkie).   It did have some pages that
said "(Page Torn Out [as found])", but flipping through briefly I could
not find the phrase "Day 1".

On a side note: Did the fact that the twin-peaks representatives on the
Video Music Awards last night mentioned "The gum you like..." and then
laughed indicate anything to the TP experts out there?   It seemed like it
was some sort of inside joke to them.

huebner@aerospace.aero.org

Re Laura (Sheryl Lee)'s hair color:

blonde in Twin Peaks as Laura;
brown in Twin Peaks as Maddy;
blonde when she was on Donahue;
and when "Laura" was named "Woman of the Year" in Esquire magazine,
her hair was a reddish-blonde.

Sheryl must be investing her Twin Peaks and Wild at Heart earnings
in Clairol stock. :-)

Jeff Abbott
___________________________________________________________________
Every time I think I know her, my arms bend back. . .
Disclaimer: I didn't do it and no one saw!
abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM   only here on loan. . 
___________________________________________________________________

I was listening to the *Filigree & Shadow* CD by This Mortal Coil, and
song 19 (there are 25 songs! the CD's 74+ minutes long) "A Heart of
Glass" sounds very, very much like the opening to Twin Peaks. While
this thought occured to me, a fog horn reverberated in the background
of the song.

DAMN fine song...

Tim.
-- Timothy D. Cain Department of Information and Computer Science UC Irvine cain@ics.uci.edu (ARPA)

crliro@athena.mit.edu (Christopher R. Liro) probably regrets saying:
-
-Howdy-
-Invite to Love  seems to parrallel TP, 

You've got it backwards.  Twin Peaks parallels Invitation to Love.
Every time you see something happening from ItL, you're getting a 
glimpse of "reality".

Trust me; it's a very Lynchian thing.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "She came at me in sections; more curves than the scenic railway." - Rod Riley, "The Band Wagon"

In article <2044@nyx.UUCP> kreme@nyx.UUCP (Name) writes:
> >In article <1990Sep6.065254.15822@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-1au@e260-1f (Byron Go) writes:
>> >>In article <1990Sep5.014444.2337@cbnewsk.att.com> pab1@cbnewsk.att.com (paul.a.bouchard) writes:
> >
>>> >>>Special Agent Daryl Cooper, FBI.
>> >>That's Dale Cooper, Paul.  Dale.  Not Daryl.
> >
> >Actually, it is Dale B. Cooper... or mayb e D. B. Cooper?  Just another inside
> >joke for the residents of Washington State....

Lynch gave the two major characters names that are meant to be playfully
SUGGESTIVE of D.B. Cooper and Harry S. Truman.

The characters are named Dale Cooper and Harry Truman.  They have no 
middle initials.




--
Barbara HlavinPeople say that life is the thing,
twain@blake.acs.washington.edubut I prefer reading.
U. Washington AI-10/Seattle 98195           --Logan Pearsall Smith

In article <7217@milton.u.washington.edu>
twain@blake.acs.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:

> >Lynch gave the two major characters names that are meant to be playfully
> >SUGGESTIVE of D.B. Cooper and Harry S. Truman.
> >
> >The characters are named Dale Cooper and Harry Truman.  They have no 
> >middle initials.

Harry Truman is another Washington State joke; he's the old man who
wouldn't leave Mt St Helens when it was starting to erupt.  And he was
too old to be named after the president.

I presume that any information from an episode not yet rerun should
be considered spoiler.

In article <EMERICK.90Sep6200356@bucsf.bu.edu> emerick@bucsf.bu.edu (Emerick Rogul) writes:













> >   All right, now that that's out of the way, have there been any theories
> >about who shot Coop?  I've watched the seen ALOT and I think it's the one-
> >armed man.  The clothing appears to be the same, but what really
> >convinced me is the manner in which the scene was shot.  The left arm of
> >the "assasin" is not shown in any form.  Besides, his story about Bob and
> >his tattoo don't strike me as very convincing.

Actually, the best part of "Who shot D.B." is that every single character
in the series that is still alive is a suspect.  In his dictation to
Diane he sets the time as after 4AM, which should be hours after the rest
of the episode.  In fact, if the phone hadn't announced the discovery of
Leo's body, I wouldn't put it past Lynch to have Leo shoot Cooper just
to completely confuse everyone.

There are lots of motives, lots of opportunity, and absolutely no clues.
Great ending, though.

Jeremy Billonesjbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
"We bust through the door, surprise 'em, and blow their brains out."

 Here's a rough draft of my brother's latest theory:
  Johnny Horne killed Laura. 
 Why? This retarded son of Ben was tutored by Laura. When
 he found out that Laura was doing some wild things, he got mad
 at her and killed her.
  --his name starts with a J. (but they didn't rock/bottle it)
  --Ben ignores him and has him spend time alone in a room. He
    could easily leave and kill Laura.
  --check out the rolling stone interview with Lynch. When asked if
    he is making fun of people like Johnny, he replies that there
    may be more to johnny than you now know.
  --i think my brother told me other reason, but I forget them.

  Plausible?? PLease comment.

_l.p.P.

In article <90249.185547JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> > 
> >         ....but, isn't it possible that Leo lied to Shelly about
> >         being in Butte.  He probably wouldn't have been able to be back in
> >         Twin Peaks by morning, if that was where he really was.

Something in the last episode that I hadn't noticed the 1st
time around was that Leo told Ben he'd called from Butte at
about midnight.  Has anyone checked the milage between
Butte and either Spokane or Twin Peaks?


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

OK --- Although I haven't found any discussion of this in the messages I've
been able to get to, many of my friends support the theory that Laura and
Madeline are twin sisters.

I have only one problem with this theory: Dr. Hayward tells Harry and Dale "You
know I delivered Laura" before giving them the autopsy report.  If Laura and
Madeline are actually twins (isn't everything else in the show?), then
innocent-looking Dr. Hayward is covering up something nasty.

-HLW
 
 ^
(_)

****************************************************************************

                  Introduction for TP "first-timers"

Back during the first run of TP in the spring, there were many arguments
here concerning the chronology of events -- what happened when in relation
to what else?  And so, I was inspired to create this timeline, which puts
all events shown or referred to in their proper chronological sequence.

I posted a few versions of this Timeline, adding to it as each episode
revealed new information. I stopped a couple of episodes short of the
entire first run, mainly due to shortage of time, but also because the
ending of the season made a final update seem less compelling. I decided
to refrain from posting it during the summer reruns so as not to spoil
things for the First-Timers. Since tonight's broadcast will carry us up
through the penultimate episode, it's time to dust off the timeline for
updating and reposting. After the First Season Finale has been rerun, I
will do a final update for posting prior to the beginning of the Second
Season.

Whether I will continue this during the Second Season remains to be seen.

****************************************************************************

                    DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON

If you're seeing this prior to the two-hour broadcast of Episodes 5&6 (of
7 -- the 2-hour pilot is considered Episode #0) on 9/8, you might want to
wait until after you've seen the broadcast to read this. Otherwise, it
might be spoiled for you.

****************************************************************************

Note 1: The series is set in February/March of 1989 (that's when the
        pilot was filmed), so all dates are assumed to be for that year
        unless otherwise specified.

Note 2: The show seems to be relatively consistent in advancing one day
        with each episode. There are a couple of minor exceptions in which
        an episode starts off where the previous one left off before going
        on to the next day. The major exception is the final episode, which
        in its entirety takes place on the same night as the previous one.

Note 3: Parenthetical comments, such as "James to Cooper" following day or
        time notations indicate how the time of the event was determined.
        The notation "Cooper to Diane" is intended to mean his dictations
        into his tape recorder. Lengthier notes of how the time was
        determined follow the entry.

****************************************************************************

1983 ("Six years ago" - Truman to Cooper)
   -- Andrew Packard brings Josie over from Hong Kong to be his wife.

August 1987 (approximately)
   -- Andrew Packard dies, supposedly in a boating accident. Truman first
      tells Cooper that Packard died "last year", which would have been
      1988, but later tells him that it happened "a year-and-a-half ago".
      The latter is more probable for reasons I can't reveal yet, but
      which may be obvious to the observant.
   -- Hank Jennings "accidently" kills an unnamed vagrant, is convicted
      of vehicular manslaughter, and sent to jail. (He's said to have
      spent 18 months in jail.)

05 Feb (Sunday) or
06 Feb (Monday)
   -- "Day One" (entry in Laura's diary). Day One of what? Laura and
      James' relationship is my guess. During Cooper's questioning of
      James, he asked what happened on 2/5, and James flashed back on
      the time he gave Laura the locket. On the other hand, when Cooper
      is looking at this page in the diary, the date at the top of the
      page says February 6. Cooper did say to Diane that he had flipped
      back 18 days to "Day One". That could be 18 days from 2/23 (the
      last entry in the diary), yielding the 5th, or from 2/24 (the day
      he was looking at it), yielding the 6th.

12 Feb (Sunday)
   -- The picnic (James told Cooper that it was "two Sundays ago").

23 Feb (Thursday)

   05:00 PM (Josie to Cooper and Truman)
   -- Laura arrives at Josie Packard's for Josie's English lessons.
      Josie says that Laura left an hour later.

   Sometime after dinner
   -- Last entry in Laura's diary: "Nervous about meeting J. tonight."
      (After dinner because she remarks about having asparagus for
      dinner again.)

   09:00-9:30
   -- Laura returns home from Bobby's house. (Sarah Palmer tells Truman
      that she last saw Laura when she got home about 9:00. Bobby answers
      yes when Cooper asks him, "She was studying at your house until
      about 9:30. Isn't that right?")

   09:30
   -- Laura snuck out of her house (James to Cooper).

   12:30
   -- Laura jumps off James' bike and runs off (James to Cooper).

   12:00-04:00 (AM)
   -- Estimated time of Laura's death according to the preliminary autopsy.

24 Feb (Friday)  [Episode #0 (pilot) - 4/8,8/5]

   "Just after dawn" (Harry to Bobby)
   -- Pete Martell finds Laura's body.
   -- Ben and Leland have meeting with Norwegians.
   -- Bobby takes Shelly home, then goes to school and is arrested.

   Mid-morning(?)
   -- Ronnette announced as missing, then found wandering along tracks.
   -- Nadine sends Big Ed off to get the drapes ("They said those drapes
      would be ready by 10.")

   11:30 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper enters Twin Peaks.

   Noon/early afternoon
   -- Cooper & Truman check on Ronnette, then Laura.
   -- Cooper & Truman look through Laura's diary.
   -- Andy and team find the train car.
   -- Cooper & Truman question Bobby, then Donna.

   04:00 (approx)
   -- "The Norwegians are leaving!" (one of Ben's employees tells concierge
      that Ben would be back at 4:00 for the final signing of the deal with
      the Norwegians, and Ben arrives as the Norwegians are leaving)

   04:10 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper & Truman at the train car.

   Early evening
   -- Town meeting where Cooper addresses the community leaders.

   09:30 (approx)
   -- Donna sneaks out to meet James at the Roadhouse. Big Ed to meet Norma
      there as well. Fight breaks out, Joey Paulsen takes Donna to meet
      James. J&D bury the locket. James is arrested.

   12:28 AM (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper knocks off for the night. Harry goes to see Josie. Locket is
      dug up by Person Unknown

25 Feb (Saturday)  [Episode #1 - 4/12,8/11]

   06:18 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper is up and goes to breakfast, where he meets Audrey.

   Early to mid-morning
   -- Cooper & Truman get autopsy results from Dr. Hayward.
   -- Shelly discovers Leo's shirt is soaked with blood just before going
      to work.
   -- Cooper & Truman question James.
   -- Mike & Bobby talk in jail cell (Leo called Mike "yesterday" and Bobby
      met with Leo "the night Laura died").
   -- Cooper gets call from Albert, Harry & Ed discuss the "stakeout".
   -- James released into Ed's custody, Mike and Bobby released.

   "Just barely morning" (Pete to Josie)
   -- Cooper & Truman talk to Josie; Pete finds a fish in the percolator.
   -- Catherine & Ben have a rendezvous.

   Afternoon
   -- Donna visits Palmers and Sarah has vision of Killer Bob.

   Late afternoon/early evening (exterior shot is dark)
   -- Hawk questions Pulaskis, spots One-Armed Man.
   -- Bobby and Major Briggs have words over dinner
   -- Cooper & Truman encounter Log Lady at RR.
   -- Jenny's first day at One-Eyed Jack's [not shown, but mentioned later].

   Later in evening
   -- Shelly gets home, gets beaten by Leo.
   -- James has dinner at Haywards'.
   -- Jacoby listens to tape from Laura, takes out the half of the locket
      buried by James & Donna.

Saturday Evening (continued)  [Episode #2 - 4/19,8/18]
   -- Jerry Horne gets back from Paris. He and Ben go to One-Eyed Jack's.

   Midnight (clock at Haywards')
   -- James & Donna have their heart-to-heart.
   -- Hawk calls Cooper.
   -- Audrey slips note under Cooper's door.
   -- Bobby & Mike meet with Leo in the woods.

26 Feb (Sunday)  [still Episode #2]

   Morning
   -- Ed drops grease on Nadine's drape runners. Nadine's arms bend back.
   -- Cooper teaches Harry, Hawk, Andy, & Lucy about Tibet.
   -- Shelly turns off "Invitation to Love" (a soap opera on Sunday
      morning?!) and Bobby comes visiting.

   Late morning (after church)
   -- Haywards meet Audrey in the RR.

   Afternoon ("Are we going to have to stand here all afternoon?" Albert
              to Lucy)
   -- Albert and team arrive.

   Night
   -- Nadine ecstatic about her now-silent runners.
   -- Pete & Catherine talk. Pete sneaks safe key to Josie.
   -- Josie finds two ledgers in safe.
   -- Leland has breakdown to the strains of Glen Miller.
   -- Cooper dreams of dancing dwarves and doppelgangers.

27 Feb (Monday)  [Episode #3 - 4/26,8/25]

   07:15 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper meets with Audrey over breakfast, then tells Harry & Lucy
      about his dream.

   Mid to late morning(?)
   -- Cousin Madeleine arrives.
   -- Norma is told of Hank's pending parole.
   -- Cooper & Truman talk to Leo.
   -- Bobby and father have words again.

   12:27 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper & Truman leave for funeral after Albert's autopsy report.
   -- Ed & Nadine have quiet moment, James declines to go to funeral.
   -- Audrey checks on her family through a peephole.

   Early afternoon
   -- Laura's funeral. James and Bobby fight. Leland freaks out.

   Evening
   -- Shelly demonstrates Leland's coffin ride.
   -- Cooper meets the Bookhouse Boys, and they question Bernard Renault
      at the Bookhouse.
   -- Jacques calls Leo for help.
   -- Catherine eavesdrops on Josie & Harry. Josie shows Harry the safe,
      but one of the ledgers is missing -- Catherine has the other one.
   -- Cooper meets Jacoby at the cemetary, then meets Hawk at the Roadhouse.
      The two of them take a drunken Leland home.

28 Feb (Tuesday)  [Episode #4 - 5/3,9/1]

   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
   -- Andy sketches Killer Bob from Sarah Palmer's description. Sarah
      then describes her vision of a someone digging up the necklace.
   -- Cooper questions Jacoby
   -- Hawk tracks down the One-Armed Man to Timber Falls Motel, where at
      the same time, Ben and Catherine are having a rendezvous. Josie is
      there, staking out B&C.
   -- Cooper and the boys arrive and question Mike Gerard (One-Armed Man).
   -- Bernard Renault makes bail [not shown, but mentioned later].
   -- Audrey gets Donna to agree to help her solve the mystery of Laura's
      murder.
   -- Norma goes to husband Hank's parole meeting.
   -- Cooper's and the boys visit the Lydecker Clinic and confiscate files.
   -- Bobby has rendezvous with Shelly, and she gives him Leo's bloody shirt.
   -- Cooper, Harry, Hawk, and Andy practice in the shooting range.

   Late afternoon/early evening
   -- James runs into Madeleine Ferguson at the RR diner.
   -- Norma gets a call from the prison -- Hank is being paroled.
   -- Ben talks to Jerry about some Icelanders, and then Audrey talks to
      Ben about learning the family business by starting work at the
      department store.
   -- A fax arrives from Albert with a reconstruction of the plastic piece
      found in Laura's stomach. Andy comes across the file on Waldo, a
      mynah bird belonging to Jacques Renault. The cops race to Jacques
      apartment. They find Leo's bloody shirt there, planted by Bobby.

   Evening
   -- Ben meets Leo by the river and they make plans about setting fire
      to the Mill. Bernard Renault's body is lying on the ground; Leo
      confesses to killing him, and reports that frere Jacques is hiding
      out in Canada.
   -- James and Donna go to where they buried the necklace and find it
      missing.
   -- Pete chats with Josie, then retires. She gets call from Hank Jennings.

01 Mar (Wednesday)  [Episode #5 - 5/10,9/8]

   04:28 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper is woken up by singing Icelanders.

   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
   -- Cooper meets Audrey in the hotel restaurant
   -- Ben & Jerry discuss the Sons of Odin.
   -- Coop meets Harry & Andy at Jacques Renault's place. The blood on Leo's
      shirt is determined to be blood-type AB-negative, which does not match
      Laura's, though it does match Jacques'.
   -- Bobby has breakfast at Shelly's; Andy comes looking for Leo; Leo calls.
   -- Norma drops by Big Ed's and they agree to cool their relationship for
      a while.
   -- Audrey has her job interview at daddy's store.
   -- James and Donna meet.
   -- Coop discovers Laura's ad in FLESH WORLD.
   -- Madeleine meets with James & Donna at the RR and agrees to help them.
   -- Hank, now out on parole, shows up at the RR to start work.
   -- The Briggs family goes to see Dr. Jacoby.
   -- Coop, Harry, Hawk, and Doc Hayward go hiking, and find the Log Lady's
      cabin. Coop interrogates the log.

   04:00 (cuckoo clock)
   -- Coop, Harry, Hawk, and Doc find Jacques' cabin, and discover clues
      given to Coop in his dream.

   Evening
   -- Party at the Great Northern for the Icelanders. Ben & Catherine meet
      in private, Audrey eavesdrops. Leland Palmer freaks out to music.
   -- Madeleine calls Donna; she found a tape of Laura's.
   -- Back at the party, Ben surreptitiously meets with Josie.
   -- Leo gets home and is beat up on by Hank Jennings. Leo gets pissed at
      Shelly, who pulls out her gun and shoots Leo.
   -- Coop arrives back at his room at the Great Northern, only to find
      Audrey in his bed.

Wednesday Evening (continued)  [Episode #6 - 5/17,9/8]
   -- Coop has a talk (and that's all) with Audrey.

02 Mar (Thursday)  [still Episode #6]

   Morning
   -- Andy arrives at the station, and Lucy gets a call from a doctor.
   -- Cooper, Harry, and Doc Hayward are trying to get Waldo to speak.
   -- Hawk shows up with a forensics report on Jacques cabin, and says
      that Jacques is now working as a dealer at One-Eyed Jack's.

   Afternoon (presumably, as various of the teenagers are not in school)
   -- Leo spots Bobby arriving at his house to see Shelly. He then takes
      off when he hears on the police band radio about Waldo.
   -- Maddy, Donna, and James listen to the tape that Maddy found. They
      plot to get the missing tape (from the night Laura died) that they
      believe Jacoby has.
   -- Audrey and another girl, Jenny, are working the perfume counter at
      Horne's Department Store. Audrey hides in Battis' (the manager's)
      office to listen in on his conversation with Jenny concerning her
      sideline work at One-Eyed Jack's.
   -- At the Double-R Diner, Hank palms a lighter that a customer left
      behind (the significance of this we still don't know). Harry comes
      in with Cooper and warns Hank to keep clean.
   -- Nadine is home watching "Invitation to Love" and feeling miserable
      because the patent attorney she went to didn't like her drape runner
      idea. Big Ed comes in and comforts her, encouraging her to keep trying.
   -- Harry stops by at Josie's and asks about her being at the Timber
      Falls Motel on Tuesday. First she tries to deny it, but then tells
      him about Ben & Catherine and about overhearing Catherine's plan to
      burn the Mill.

   Evening (Cooper to Harry)
   -- Harry and Big Ed rendezvous with Cooper at the hotel. Harry tells
      Cooper about Josie's problem. Coop seems suspicious. Audrey shows
      up looking for Cooper just as they left.
   -- Mr. Neff, an insurance agent, shows up at Catherine's. Catherine
      finds her bogus ledgerbook missing.
   -- Audrey leaves a note for Cooper under his door, and notices an Asian
      man checking in a couple of doors down from Cooper.
   -- Leo shoots Waldo and drives off; but not before Waldo's last words
      are recorded on Cooper's voice-activated tape recorder. Cooper plays
      back the recording.

   Evening
   -- Cooper & Ed show up at OEJ posing as "Fred & Barney" and meet Blackie.
      Ed craps, Cooper jacks.
   -- Maddy sneaks out of the Palmer house, though she is seen by Leland,
      to meet up with James and Donna.
   -- Ben sends Jerry off with the Icelanders to OEJ for a "signing party"
      for the Ghostwood deal. Ben calls Josie about Catherine.
   -- Audrey meets Blackie and is hired for a job at OEJ.
   -- Jacques relieves the previous dealer at the blackjack table where
      Cooper is playing.
   -- Dr. Jacoby is watching "Invitation to Love" on tv when he gets a call
      from "Laura". At the gazebo, where Maddy -- disguised as Laura -- is
      waiting with James & Donna, and Bobby Briggs is watching them, the
      whole tableux is being watched by a mysterious "heavy breather".
   -- Jacoby takes off to find out what's going on with "Laura" while James
      and Donna sneak into his office to search for the missing tape. Bobby
      has followed them there and sticks a bag of (presumably cocaine) in
      the gas tank of James' bike.

-- "Beware the Ids that march." -- RETURN TO THE FORBIDDEN PLANET (Shakespeare's forgotten rock'n'roll masterpiece) --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <12620110652011@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu>,
PUTNAM-L@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee Putnam) writes:
> > 
> >  Why? This retarded son of Ben was tutored by Laura. When
> >  he found out that Laura was doing some wild things, he got mad
> >  at her and killed her.
> >   --his name starts with a J. (but they didn't rock/bottle it)

Oh, yes they did.  Johnny's rock hit the oil drum.

In article <12620110652011@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu> PUTNAM-L@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee Putnam) writes:
> >
> > Here's a rough draft of my brother's latest theory:

   [Stuff deleted]

> >  --his name starts with a J. (but they didn't rock/bottle it)
                                         ^^^^^^

I thought they did (although I can't certain). I thought when Johnny came
up in the list, Cooper missed by a considerable distance. When you say
"didn't rock/bottle it", do you mean didn't succeed in hitting it or just
completely left his name out? Does anyone else remember?

--Brady

I've managed to obtain the European version of Twin Peaks. What I can't
seem to do is find a way to transfer it from PAL to NTSC without
going broke. Is there anyone out there who has the means to do this
and wouldn't mind getting a copy in the process? I'm really looking
to do this as soon as possible since I'd like to see it with some
friends before the new season starts. You can e-mail me or call
me at 516-751-2749.

Emmanuel

    I am not quite sure what to make of this, but:

I get to see TP on friday, piped in by cable from the indepedent station
in Edmonton, Alberta. This last friday, they showed two episodes back
to back.

I also get to see the broadcast from the Detroit ABC station, on saturday.

I happened to tape both, and there are a few differences in the soundtrack

and the way they showed the episodes.

First, the canadian broadcast must have been done from a different set of
tapes. The credits where for individual episodes, and they where shown as
such. The US broadcast had a 'part1' and 'part2' directorial credit, and
while there was a commercial break at the half-way mark, it was shown
as a two hours episode.

Now for the interresting part: the scene where Bobby arrives at Leo's
house, watched by Leo with binocular and a gun.

The dialogue goes something like this (the parts in bracket where
mostly inaudible or completely missing in the U.S. showing!):

Bobby arriving at the house.

cut to Leo in the truck

from his scanner: [SOUND EFFECT, better call Hawk on that one, SOUND EFFECT]

cut to Bobby on the porch, yelling: SHELLEY!

cut to Leo in the truck: [Bobby Brigg] (very clearly pronounced in the
Edmonton version, barely mumbled in the Detroit version. The picture was
the same...)

cut to Bobby entering the house, cut to Leo's gunsight:

Leo speaking: [Come on] lover boy, Leo's waiting ...
   (the 'come on' in COMPLETELY missing this time ...)

.....

numerous scenes inside the house

.....

cutting to outside, Leo waiting with constitutional amendment in hand:

[SOUND EFFECT, Lucy talking on the radio: Bird seeds? No this bird eats
fruits. The sherrif says it's a witness.]

cut to the shot of the scanner:

No, not just because it saw something, because it talks!

cut to Leo again:

[and it need to be fed ...]


---------

The actual backgroud music during this scene is not affected by the
sound drop-off.

Does anyone have an idea why these sound games are being played?

Can someone who taped the first showing check on this?

Is it possible that Lynch is revising the second showing, removing what
seems to be too obvious (clear reference to the bird, vs. 'because it
talks'), as if he was given a second kick at the can?

Michel Adam

Yellowknife, N.W.T.

adam@CS.UAlberta.CA   (...!alberta!adam)

or

adam@iceman.UUCP  (...!alberta!iceman!adam)

Okay, so Audrey's dad and his henchman are eating ice cream out of
the box in his office. What are the names of the two gentlemen?

Ben and Jerry!

Get it? Ben and Jerry? Ice cream?

Well, I laughed...

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

Four comments:

1. I don't think Jacoby and Laura were sleeping together. Did Jacoby
like/love her? Yes. And Laura was flirting the hell out of him. But I don't
think they actually did it, unless it was between the time of the tape
Madelyne found and Laura's death. You don't say "I think you like me" to
someone you've already slept with.

2. Someone made the comment that Laura and Madelyne were perhaps identical
twins, not really cousins. This seems likely from Madelyne's comment, "I
felt Laura was in trouble, that's why I came."

3. Has anyone commented on the fact that the piece of poker chip found in
Laura's stomach was the "J" from One Eyed Jack's. The letter J is supposed
to be important, right?

4. Heavy bird motif in Episodes V and VI. Waldo the Mynah Bird, the imagery
with the raven, Cooper saying he doesn't like birds. Hey! A "jay" is a kind
of bird! (Boy, I'm tired... :-))

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

.-.
|I| really like the Julee Cruise album, but I agree that some of
`-' it is a whole lot less interesting than the most of it.  The
    50s-ish songs don't do much for me . . . too much 80s/90s
    production.
.-.
|T|he album itself is the best thing to listen to after pulling
`-' an all-nighter or two.
    <_Jym_>

(Words are deleted because they are spoilers.  They are footnoted
    at the end of the article, after a formfeed.  You have been
    warned.)
.-.
|Y|ou might have seen the latest _TV_Guide_ with "the women of
`-' _Twin_Peaks_" on the cover ("Laura," "Norma," and "Donna").
    The _Twin_Peaks_ article inside was absolutely worthless.
.-.
|T|hey asked a number of real (TM) writers who they think killed
`-' Laura Palmer---or, rather, who they (as real (TM) writers)
    would have be the killer.
.-.
|T|he responses were uniformly stupid.  One was so dumb she made
`-' Audrey the person who ____[1] Agent Cooper in the last scene
    of the final season episode, because he turned her down.
    Never mind that he's been nicer to her than anyone else has,
    not to mention that she's busy meeting with ___ ___[2].
.-.
|I|t was this same writer who said she would prefer to watch
`-' _Knot's_Landing_ to _Twin_Peaks_.  How vapid.  How so much
    like _TV_Guide_.  Don't bother buying the issue.
    <_Jym_>

[1] "shot"
[2] "her dad"

Hi, I think that thing floating behind the curtain is Waldo, the killer myna.
But what do I know..

Well, sometimes you can't take things too literal. I just seem to remember from
last nights episode, that when they found waldo in the cabin he was surrounded
in decor similiar to the dream sequence. Remember that they deduced he was out
of his cage and flying around... just speculating like everyone else...

My god, its happening - I'm getting hooked on TP. Somebody help me.

In tonights episode (the 2 hour one), we hear a tape of the maynah bird
speaking, presumably speaking what it heard the night of Laura's death.

First, we hear the words "Laura, Laura" being said in a female voice. Do maynah
birds parrot pitch as well as enunciation? If so, we can assume that a woman
was saying "Laura, Laura" - a woman that sounds very much like Laura Palmer.
Why would Laura be saying her own name?

Later in the tape we hear the same woman saying "stop, you're hurting me." (or
words to that effect) And then, "Stop, Leo, stop."  Or is it "Stop, Leland,
stop"? I presume its Leo, because that makes sense, but it wasn't entirely
clear to me from the tape.  And it would be awfully nifty if Laura was saying
Leland. :)
-- __ \/ minar@reed.bitnet You know in your heart its flat.

In article <1158600035@cdp>, ddulmage@cdp.UUCP writes:
> > 
> > Hi, I think that thing floating behind the curtain is Waldo, the killer myna.
> > But what do I know..

Huh?  The shape of it, as far as I saw was:


                              __________________________
               --------------/                         /
              /                                       /
             /                                       /
            /                                       /
          /-                                       /
         /                                        /
        /                                        /
       /                                        /
      /                                        /
     /________________________________________/


I was unable to "interpret" it as anything...

In article <15432@reed.UUCP> minar@reed.UUCP (Nelson Minar) writes:
> >
> >First, we hear the words "Laura, Laura" being said in a female voice. Do maynah
> >birds parrot pitch as well as enunciation? If so, we can assume that a woman
> >was saying "Laura, Laura" - a woman that sounds very much like Laura Palmer.
> >Why would Laura be saying her own name?

Hmm.... This could be Ronette speaking. It sounds to me like a female is 
warning another female to stay away. This would make sense if it was Ronette.
I suppose a man could have been saying it, but why would they be warning
Laura away (unless there was someone other than Leo and Jaques around)?

> >Later in the tape we hear the same woman saying "stop, you're hurting me." (or
> >words to that effect) And then, "Stop, Leo, stop."  Or is it "Stop, Leland,
> >stop"? I presume its Leo, because that makes sense, but it wasn't entirely
> >clear to me from the tape.  And it would be awfully nifty if Laura was saying
> >Leland. :)

I couldn't tell if she was saying Leo or Leland either. I agree it's Leo,
but that's just from reasoning it out. It could have been either name, from
what I heard.

--Brady

In article <1990Sep9.030902@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >
> >2. Someone made the comment that Laura and Madelyne were perhaps identical
> >twins, not really cousins. This seems likely from Madelyne's comment, "I
> >felt Laura was in trouble, that's why I came."
> >


Yeah, and they probably had some sort of psychic link with each other,
of the sort that identical twins are often rumoured to have. (Given
how much Lynch enjoys playing with "Psychic" trappings in TP --
Laura's visionary mother, and Cooper's weird dreams).  If so,
Madelaine might indeed have a lot of "secrets" about Laura and other
people in Twin Peaks, like Cooper's  dream hinted ("She's my cousin.
Doesn't she look like Laura Palmer?  She's full of secrets.")

Waiting eagerly for the 30th,
Jen

--
*******************************************************************************
Jennifer Hawthorne  (jen@athena.mit.edu)
Disclaimer: Actually, I'm at Brandeis these days, so don't blame MIT
for anything...

Ok --- Try this one on for size:

(Big Spoiler Ahead, Perhaps.)























The oriental man who is staying in the room next to Cooper's at the Great
Northern shot him.  Why else would he get so much attention from the camera as
Cooper walks down the hall if he isn't significant in some way.  Being next
door, he would know exactly when Cooper returned, and wouldn't have far to go
to make his getaway.  Now... the question is -- is he connected or related to
Josie?  This seems likely to me, not just because he's oriental, but also
because Josie seems to have gotten herself in a heap of trouble with a heap of
bad people.  She's behind it all, in my opinion.  (After all, she's the very
first person we ever see on the show.)

On the topic of Laura/Madeline --- I mentioned earlier that Dr. Hayward would
know if they were twins.  Perhaps this is why he kept Albert ("Who knows what I
would have found if I'd had more time") Rosenfield from doing the forensic
tests on "Laura."   Hmmmm...


HLW

 ^
(_)

In article <1990Sep7.182326@unify.com>, raveling@unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> > In article <90249.185547JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> >> 
>> >>         ....but, isn't it possible that Leo lied to Shelly about
>> >>         being in Butte.  He probably wouldn't have been able to be back in
>> >>         Twin Peaks by morning, if that was where he really was.
> > 
> > Something in the last episode that I hadn't noticed the 1st
> > time around was that Leo told Ben he'd called from Butte at
> > about midnight.  Has anyone checked the milage between
> > Butte and either Spokane or Twin Peaks?

I just checked an Atlas (not a road atlas) and it seems that if Leo drove
all night, he could have just made Twin Peaks by the next morning when
Bobby was taking Shelly home.  I had just assumed that he was lying in
order trap Shelly with her lover.  But it is possible that he actually
wasn't there.  I guess another theory proves to be a faulty assumption.

-- Charlie Fineberg Biochemistry Dept., Wash. U. Sch. of Medicine (WUMS) Box 8231, 4566 Scott Ave. BITNET: FINEBERG@WUMS St. Louis, MO 63110 internet: fineberg@wums2.wustl.edu "The younger Mr. Popplewick is not permitted to expect anybody" - Mr. Popplewick

I recently viewed twin peaks in a marathon manner (9 hours (?)) so I
am more than a little vague on which episode has occurred so far,
so...

* POSSIBLE *  SPOLIERS TO FOLLOW


When Special Agent Dale Cooper (FBI, mind you) exhibits his highly
accurate stone-throwing art it tells us a great deal.  (Pardon me for
possible errors in memory as I haven't verified this in reviewing.)

We know that Laura was going to Meet "J" on the night of her death.
Cooper's stone-toss is much more than just a nice plot device to
review what the hell is going on, if you look at it in the right
manner. The question asked of the toss is (I believe) "Who was with
Laura on the night of her death?"  The bottle falls down for Dr.
Jacoby. The bottle is shattered for Leo Johnson.  Leo didn't kill
Laura. That would be too simple to believe.  The blood on his shirt
wasn't Laura's as we were expected to believe.  This is too much
suspicion on Leo for him to have actually committed the murder.  Since
we are already dealing with this in the context of a tv mystery
(stone-toss and all), this is good enough to scratch out Leo.

If Leo didn't do it who did?  By the stone-toss, we can logically
presume the murderer's name doesn't start with a "J".  Their name
would have been on the board and would have registered higher as
"Being with Laura on the night of her death."


Sound logic?

So whatcha think; Her own father, or her best friend?  There are
subtle hints and interpretations of Cooper comments that point to
both. 



______________________________________________________________________

You see any blood?? I didn't see any blood.  Bulletproof balls man.
He has serious slack.

webster@furs.rutgers.edu

So, what did everyone think of Mark Frost's new show on Fox last Saturday
at 9:30?

I thought American Chronicles was VERY DARK. It got me wondering who
this sicko really is--Frost or David Lynch!

Rand P. Hall                    UUCP: {uunet,wang,ulowell}!samsung!hubdub!rand
Merrimack College                     rand@merrimack.edu
N. Andover, MA        "Carrying a spare is negative thinking" -- Norris Weldon

In article <1990Sep9.064310.2132@cs.UAlberta.CA>, adam@cs.UAlberta.CA
(Michel Adam;  Gov't of NWT) writes:
|> 
|>     I am not quite sure what to make of this, but:
|> 
|> I get to see TP on friday, piped in by cable from the indepedent station
|> in Edmonton, Alberta. This last friday, they showed two episodes back
|> to back.
|> 
|> I also get to see the broadcast from the Detroit ABC station, on saturday.
|> 
|> I happened to tape both, and there are a few differences in the soundtrack
|> 
|> and the way they showed the episodes.
|>
|> [details deleted]
|> 

I watched the Saturday showing from the Detroit station and noticed the
same thing.
I didn't see the Canadian broadcast but I noticed that things were
different from 
the first time the episode was aired.  I'm curious as to why they would
make these
changes.


James W. Howe   internet: jwh@ifs.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp:     uunet!mailrus!ifs.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943

In article <1990Sep9.222045.21593@athena.mit.edu> jen@athena.mit.edu (Jennifer Hawthorne) writes:

> >Madelaine might indeed have a lot of "secrets" about Laura and other
> >people in Twin Peaks, like Cooper's  dream hinted ("She's my cousin.
> >Doesn't she look like Laura Palmer?  She's full of secrets.")
> >
> >Waiting eagerly for the 30th,
> >Jen

At the beginning of the 9/8 episode, we see Audrey say that Laura had a lot
of secrets, that Audrey can't tell Cooper all of her secrets, and
Cooper tell Audrey that he has no secrets.

I think this is more confirmation that the dream female "is" Audrey.

In article <9427@ur-cc.UUCP> duga@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Brady Duga) writes:

> >I thought they did (although I can't certain). I thought when Johnny came
> >up in the list, Cooper missed by a considerable distance. When you say
> >"didn't rock/bottle it", do you mean didn't succeed in hitting it or just
> >completely left his name out? Does anyone else remember?

They definitely DID rock/bottle it.  I recall the video clip and the
description used (mainly because the video clip was one I didn't recall
seeing previously).  I think the rock was a wide miss (or maybe it was
the one that hit HST in the head?  :) )

huebner@aerospace.aero.org
huebner@en.ecn.purdue.edu

Has anyone else noticed the signs all over the diner???

"Just say no to Ghostwood"

There must be a local group opposed to it. Why? How does it affect the
diner?

Paul

-- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P What most people don't realize is that those plastic cover slips that your 3 inch floppies come in are actually condoms for protecting your computer from harmfull computer viruses - practice safe computing ..... :-)

In article <1990Sep7.214608.33067@eagle.wesleyan.edu> hweibel@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >OK --- Although I haven't found any discussion of this in the messages I've
> >been able to get to, many of my friends support the theory that Laura and
> >Madeline are twin sisters.
> >
> >I have only one problem with this theory: Dr. Hayward tells Harry and Dale 
> >"You know I delivered Laura" before giving them the autopsy report.  If Laura
> >and Madeline are actually twins (isn't everything else in the show?), then 
> >innocent-looking Dr. Hayward is covering up something nasty.
> >
> >-HLW

Someone brought-up earlier the fact that it seemed odd that Dr. 
Hayword and Ben Horne - two of the town leaders - were on hand to block 
Albert from completing his autopsy.  Perhaps he is covering up something 
nasty.


--
crliro@ATHENA.MIT.EDU   Christopher R. Liro

Our PBS station recently rebroadcast "The Trial of Bernard Goetz,"
something in between a dramatization and a "docu-drama" -- actors and
sets rather than interviews etc with the actual participants, but the
script was strictly an edited version of the trial transcript.  The
jury foreman was referred to by name a few times: James Hurley.  (And
it was spelled that way in the credits.)

I offer this as a minor coincidence, not suggesting an intended
allusion.  The juror in "Goetz" didn't get to display much
personality, he just wore a suit, looked attentive, and announced the
verdicts. 

--
Mitch Marks    mitchell@cs.UChicago.EDU
  My uncle is sick, but the road is green.

WARNING!  SPOLIERS TO FOLLOW!


















In response to the previous message regarding the identity of the "J"
that Laura was going to meet on the night of her death - didn't she meet
with Jacque(sp)?  Now there is a "J" if I ever saw one.....


Sanford Dickert
ncc1701a@portia.stanford.edu


"Who ever said being a kid wasn't fun?"- a friend

In article <7217@milton.u.washington.edu> twain@blake.acs.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
> >Lynch gave the two major characters names that are meant to be playfully
> >SUGGESTIVE of D.B. Cooper and Harry S. Truman.
> >The characters are named Dale Cooper and Harry Truman.  They have no 
> >middle initials.

 In Cooper's first scene, wherein he's driving down the road dictating to
 Diane, he says to Diane that he'll soon meet with the local sheriff,
 named ... (checks his notes) "'Harry S. Truman'.  Shouldn't be too hard
 to remember that."
 So I think Harry's middle initial is definitely 'S.'.
 Whether it stands for anything is another question entirely B^).

 Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu
"Show that the median, hce che ech, interecting at royde angles the
parilegs of a given obtuse one biscuts both the arcs that are in

I though that AC was a rather dark show as well.  It's quite interesting
that I both wanted to be in New Orleans and as far away from there at the
same time.  Well done, but I don't know if will last long (unfortunately).

Also, I just thought I'd let you know that Mr. Lynch's next film is called 
"High Calibre".  It's an action flick (!).  Turns out he needs a female
actress - with very few lines - to do some wrestling moves and the 
one he was contemplating hurt herself taking some falls.  So, David
has recruited Madusa Macelli, an active female wrestler currently working
in the lucrative Japanese market.  Apparently, he's also hired Japanese
kung fu actress, Yukaro Oshima, who does Hong Kong martial arts films.
The film will build up to a fight scene between the two with wrestling
going against martial arts.  
    Herb...

Another thing to remember about Waldo's dialogue is the line "Don't go
there!".  This clearly establishes that some of Waldo's words come from
Ronnette, because that was Ronnette's only line, when Cooper went to
the hospital to see her.  So the speculation that "Laura!  Laura!" might
be Ronnette's voice is well-founded.  And Hayward mentioned that part of
Ronnette's trauma was seeing Laura being raped and killed.  In fact, it's
possible that *all* of Waldo's lines are actually Ronnette speaking,
rather than Laura.  But I doubt it.  "Hurting me.  Hurting me."


 Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu
"Show that the median, hce che ech, interecting at royde angles the
parilegs of a given obtuse one biscuts both the arcs that are in
curveachord behind."    Joyce, _Finnegans Wake_

Hello -
Does anybody know what the name and composer is for the choral chanting
with orchestra which was used during the of the premier of American 
Chronicles?  Several minutes was played 15-20 minutes into the show.  
Sounded rather gothic. 
- ha
 {uunet, ucsd, hplabs!hp-sdd, ames!scubed}!megatek!dubb   (619)455-5590 x2253
 Howard Airhart    MEGATEK Corporation  9645 Scranton Road San Diego CA 92121
 +------                                                              ------+
  We prayed to feel what we could not see.
     We prayed to see what we could not feel.
        Dream came calling, dream came calling.      Chris_&_Cosie

In article <1990Sep10.153316.15931@portia.Stanford.EDU> ncc1701a@portia.Stanford.EDU (ncc1701a) writes:
> >
> >After picking up this weeks "TV Guide", I was suprised to see such
> >incompetents (sp?) try to solve the mystery of "Who killed Laura
> >Palmer?"  Reading such trite and hackneyed ideas from four of the most
> >"prolific" and "respected" authors got my goat.

I agree. although Tony Hillerman is one of the most respected
mystery writers around, he seems to have missed the whole point of
Twin Peaks. The  story is not supposed to be a standard mystery,
where clues and motives all must be hinted at through the course of
the story. Rather, Lynch is toying with the most basic dictates of
the mystery genre to  tell his story in a new and interesting way.

I write mysteries in my spare time and Lynch really does break most of
the rules. Hillerman doesn't understand that. The other  "authors"
comments (Jackie Collins, Andrew Greeley) were, IMHO, pretty idiotic.

Incidentally, TwinPeaks fans who really like Deputy Hawk might like
Tony Hillerman's mysteries. They're set on the  Navajo reservations
in New Mexico and Arizona and his detectives are Navajo Tribal Police
officers. The stories usually concern murder tied up with Navajo
religious/mystical beliefs and are generally very well-written.

Wrapped in plastic,

Jeff Abbott
_____________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: I didn't do it and no one saw. . .
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com    Only here on loan---
____________________________________________________________________

Herb Kunze writes:

|Also, I just thought I'd let you know that Mr. Lynch's next film is called 
|"High Calibre".  It's an action flick (!).  Turns out he needs a female
|actress - with very few lines - to do some wrestling moves and the 
|one he was contemplating hurt herself taking some falls.  So, David
|has recruited Madusa Macelli, an active female wrestler currently working
|in the lucrative Japanese market.  Apparently, he's also hired Japanese
|kung fu actress, Yukaro Oshima, who does Hong Kong martial arts films.

Nip this one in the bud time.  From the Wrestling Observer 9/10/90:

 ``First off, in the item last week about Madusa starring in a film
  called _High Calibre_, which it was stated would be directed by David 
  Lynch (of _Twin Peaks_ fame), that is incorrect.  The movie will be
  directed by Frankie Chan.  When describing the movie to me, a publicist
  said ``it would be like _Black Rain_ directed by Sergio Leone and David
  Lynch,'' but what was meant is that is what the movie would be like, not
  that they were the directors.''

I saw the item last week, and thought about posting it but you've got
to understand how flaky the wrestling press is.  I don't know where Herb
picked it up (Toronto press wrestling columns?), but more than likely
the genesis was in the Observer.  

However, one can only hope that Lynch/Frost pick up the rights to the
ongoing Bruiser Brody/Jose Gonzales/Atsushi Onita saga before _A 
Current Affair_ gets to it.
--
 John Reeves -----------------------------------------------------------
 UCLA AI Lab         Internet: reeves@cs.ucla.edu
 3531 Boelter Hall   UUCP: ...!(uunet,rutgers,ucbvax)!cs.ucla.edu!reeves
 UCLA LA CA 90024 ------------------------------------------------------

In article <1990Sep7.090525.21963@cs.columbia.edu> germaine@cs.columbia.edu (Germaine Leveque) writes:
> >In article <2049@nyx.UUCP> gstrand@nyx.UUCP (Warren Gerhard Strand Jr.) writes:
>> >>
>> >>  I thought that her hair was naturally blond, but given the recent (week of
>> >>  8 - 14) cover of TV Guide, in which it's brown, I'm in a quandary as to
>> >>  what Ms. Lee's real hair color is.
>> >>
>> >>  I suppose I could look at her high school yearbook (I believe she attended
>> >>  Fairview HS here in town, just a hop-skip-n-jump from where I live) but I
>> >>  suspect her picture might already be torn out.
>> >>
>> >>  Anyway, anybody else have any ideas?
> >
> >
> >Well . . . I suppose someone could try to find out if she's ever posed for
> >Penthouse or Hustler  :-)
> >
> >-- 

Well, as others have posted, Two Moon Junction removes all doubt (and
clothing).  Unless she does some creative dyeing, she is definitely
a brunette.

BTW, we watched TMJ last night, expecting it to be pretty bad (ie -2
or worse on the Leeper scale), but I would say its about a 0.  Not bad.


--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Brian McClendon bam@rudedog.SGI.COM ...!uunet!sgi!rudedog!bam 415-335-1110
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <1990Sep10.190813.25795@portia.Stanford.EDU> ncc1701a@portia.Stanford.EDU (ncc1701a) writes:
> >WARNING!  SPOLIERS TO FOLLOW!

> >In response to the previous message regarding the identity of the "J"
> >that Laura was going to meet on the night of her death - didn't she meet
> >with Jacque(sp)?  Now there is a "J" if I ever saw one.....

  My initial impression was that Laura was going to work for the first time
as a Hospitality Girl.  As we now know, the owner of OEJ likes to check out
the new girl.  Laura, not knowing who the owner was, would naturally 
abbreviate using "J", which matches the sign out front.  Its logical to
think that she would be nervous prior to such a meeting.
  It made me grit my teeth when Coop refused to throw the rock at the bottle
because Lucy pointed out that OEJ (at that time: Jack with One Eye)
was not a person.  I'd like to see if it hit or not!
  Standard excuses if this has come up before...
+---
Robert Huebner  huebner@aerospace.aero.org
+---

Actually, Laura and Madeline are identical twin cousins ... :)

In <2664@ryn.esg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >25 Feb (Saturday)  [Episode #1 - 4/12,8/11]
> >   Early to mid-morning
> >   -- Shelly discovers Leo's shirt is soaked with blood just before going
> >      to work.

> >28 Feb (Tuesday)  [Episode #4 - 5/3,9/1]
> >   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
> >   -- Bernard Renault makes bail [not shown, but mentioned later].

Thanks for the timeline.  It makes clear something I had wondered about for a
while.  Whose blood is on Leo's jacket?  I though it was Bernard's, since it
is the same type as his brother's, but the blood was on the shirt three days
before Bernard was killed.  Any ideas?

Also, wasn't the "heavy breather" supposed to be Jacoby himself?

-- Ron Chrisley chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Xerox PARC SSL New College Palo Alto, CA 94304 Oxford OX1 3BN, UK (415) 494-4728 (865) 793-484

 I'm not sure about the Chronicles Chanting but you
 might want to check out of the music of Thomas Tallis.
 He was a 16th century scottish dude who wrote some
 really great heavenly morbid choral pieces....

-L.p.P.

Thanks to Jerry for the repost of the timeline.  Now, does anyone have
an up-to-date version of the database of characters, events and
relationships that "diane@ifs" posted the first time round?  "Diane",
are you there?  Please email.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "What do you expect, a man is what he is, at least partly" -- Samuel Beckett

AhA!  It all means something now!  A brief explanation - The first I'd
heard of Twin Peaks was a video that I hired from our local store.  Looked
good, had great personality development, but I screamed with frustration
at the end.  I was convinced that ther must be more, and I guess from this
newsgroup that I am right.

We don't get the series here in OZ yet, so there was bugger-all point in 
releasing the movie (first couple of episodes, I guess), except that
I'm hanging out for the series to hit the screens.  

Can I have just one or two followups on these questions:
                           ^^^^^^^^^^
How long has the series been running in the US ?
How many episodes have been made?
Does the dream sequence ever mean something (in the end)?

Thanks for your indulgence.  We're looking forward to seeing more.

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
+ Chris Vernon                             Tel: (61) 9 350 5411 or 351 3033  =
= CSIRO Division of Mineral Products       Fax: (61) 9 350 5295              +
+ C/ Curtin University                                                       =
= Bentley 6102, WA                                                           +
+ AUSTRALIA                 Bitnet: Vernon_CF%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet =
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

Ooops!

When I saw the item about a Lynch action flick for the first time, I ignored
it, thinking that it was definitely poppycock.  Only after seeing it mentioned
a second time, with updated information, did I think that it could be true.
Thanks to John for killing this one early and apologies for any medical
problems my post may have caused.  Lynch action flick!?!  Indeed.

     Herb...

Ooops!

When I saw the item about a Lynch action flick for the first time, I ignored
it, thinking that it was definitely poppycock.  Only after seeing it mentioned
a second time, with updated information, did I think that it could be true.
Thanks to John for killing this one early and apologies for any medical
problems my post may have caused.  Lynch action flick!?!  Indeed.

     Herb...

   Funny thing about jury forepeople and TV shows.  The Oliver North jury
was headed by Tara King.  She was born before the Avengers, though.  Ms. Kinkg
later got into trouble as alleged to be taking drugs during the trial.

In article <724@sunkist.megatek.uucp> dubb@megatek.UUCP (Howard Airhart) writes:
> >Hello -
> >Does anybody know what the name and composer is for the choral chanting
> >with orchestra which was used during the of the premier of American 
> >Chronicles?  Several minutes was played 15-20 minutes into the show.  
> >Sounded rather gothic. 
> >- ha
> > {uunet, ucsd, hplabs!hp-sdd, ames!scubed}!megatek!dubb   (619)455-5590 x2253
> > Howard Airhart    MEGATEK Corporation  9645 Scranton Road San Diego CA 92121
> > +------                                                              ------+


The piece that struck me during American Chronicles was Orlff "Carmina
Buranga " (spelling on the last word is incorrect).  It was also used
in the movie "Excaliber".  I went out an bought the piece after seeing
the movie.  I don't know much about classical music/contemporary.
However, this piece is extremely dramatic.

On Sunday night I found myself in somewhat of a dilemna solved by
taping TP and then watching American Chronicles.  I thought it was
dark, but excellent.  I got the "feel" of New Orleans, not the pretty
pictures.  I liked the collage effect and the way it was written, and
Dreyfuss as narrator worked quite well.  IMHO, the approach was to New
Orleans "mystery" and the reality of the carnival, not to a glossed
advertising, ie:  "come to New Orlean's at Mardi Gras".  The other
part of my dilmena:  I wish I had a tape of "Farewell to Flesh".
Also, IMHO, Frost is just as weird as Lynch, and FYI, I think being
weird is a compliment, not an insult.  

shanti,
bobbie
--
##3COM Corp.-ESD bldg300-Santa Clara,CA:Bobbie (Barbara) Lawson W(408)764-5360
H(408)338-4002                 bjl@bridge2.hqdev.3Com.com  or bridge2!bjl

The actor who plays Leland Palmer was in the first episode of Beauty
and the Beast which began running on the Family Cable Network Friday
9/7 (Formerly CBN).  He plays Catherine's rich, boorish boyfriend
who she dumps after meeting Vincent and deciding to put some meaning
into her life.

Sorry, if someone has already mentioned this, but this newsgroup only
appeared here on this machine 2 weeks ago, so there was apparently
a great deal of discussion that took place prior to many of us coming
on board.

Allen England
att!iwtsf!alle

> >Well, sometimes you can't take things too literal. I just seem to
> >remember from last nights episode, that when they found waldo in the
> >cabin he was surrounded in decor similiar to the dream sequence.
> >Remember that they deduced he was out of his cage and flying
> >around... just speculating like everyone else...

Recall also, what was said in the dream sequence...

First hint:  In the cabin, there was music playing continuously.

In article <12620110652011@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu>, PUTNAM-L@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee Putnam) writes...
> > 
> > Here's a rough draft of my brother's latest theory:
> >  Johnny Horne killed Laura. 
> > Why? This retarded son of Ben was tutored by Laura. When
            ^^^^^^^^
Are you sure he's retarded?  I got the impression he was autistic.
Quite a bit of difference there.  And given that autism is marked
by an inability to respond emotionally....  Well I leave the
rest of any inference to you.

(Since this newsgroup often doubles as rec.arts.david.lynch,
 or even alt.hair.color...)

Does anyone know of any plans to make the 4 hour version
of DL's _Dune_ available on video?  It aired on TNT quite a while
ago (2 years?), and I heard rumours that it would be available
on video, but have seen nothing.  

If anyone has a lead on it (or had the foresight to record it from
TNT), please email.

+---
Robert E. Huebner   huebner@aerospace.aero.org or en.ecn.purdue.edu
    The Aerospace Corporation
+---

In article <Sep.10.00.52.08.1990.395@furs.rutgers.edu| , webster@furs.rutgers.edu (John Clayton Webster) writes...
|  
| We know that Laura was going to Meet "J" on the night of her death.
| Cooper's stone-toss is much more than just a nice plot device to
| review what the hell is going on, if you look at it in the right
| manner. The question asked of the toss is (I believe) "Who was with
| Laura on the night of her death?"  The bottle falls down for Dr.
| Jacoby. The bottle is shattered for Leo Johnson.  Leo didn't kill
| Laura. That would be too simple to believe.  The blood on his shirt
| wasn't Laura's as we were expected to believe.  This is too much
| suspicion on Leo for him to have actually committed the murder.  Since
| we are already dealing with this in the context of a tv mystery
| (stone-toss and all), this is good enough to scratch out Leo.
|  
| If Leo didn't do it who did?  By the stone-toss, we can logically
| presume the murderer's name doesn't start with a "J".  Their name
| would have been on the board and would have registered higher as
| "Being with Laura on the night of her death."
|  
|  
| Sound logic?
|  

What about Josie?  Her name wasn't on the board.  In any case,
it is likely that Laura DID see Jacoby and Leo on the night
she died, even though neither killed her.  Could it be that
"Laura" found out that Josie had her husband killed and was
blackmailing her?  That might also explain how she got (was
going to get) the money for the cocaine deal with Leo.  
Remember when Cooper and Truman go to see Josie to ask her some
questions?  She said that Laura said (something like):  "Now
I know what it must have felt like to lose your husband."
And remember the wounds on Laura's body?  Like little "pecks" or
holes.  Sometimes logs (from lumber mills) have little holes
like that made in them as they are "gripped" and sent down
the line to be made into boards.

I say "Laura" (note the quotation marks) because I too believe
that Laura and Madelain swapped places.

The theory above would also be consistent with the notion that
the Oriental fellow in the hotel is associated with Josie and
fired the shots at Cooper.  Perhaps Cooper was getting too close
to finding out things about Josie.  Maybe, too, the Oriental 
fellow is an officer of the law like Cooper and has tracked
Josie to Twin Peaks.  It is possible that this last husband
was not the only one she bumped off before taking the fellow's
entire estate.

Trust me!  Josie may turn out to be the most rotten apple in the
bunch!!